Death Origins - This Pale, Goth & Attractive Girl Is Death's Physical Embodiment - Sandman's Sister!

[@0NlRAPTOR]

Death of the Endless is one of my favorite DC characters. the idea that she isnt someone to fear as she is simply conveying the departed to their next incarnation is a good and hopeful message.

[@JohnTLyon]

I have no fear of death, but the dying part kinda bothers me...

[@CE77777]

I liked that too, deaths always depicted as some old decrepit creature that your supposed to be afraid of, in this and her character the beauty of death is displayed

[@metal87power]

Remember Endless weren't DC original property.

[@Artistjohnlaws4173]

@@metal87power then who's?

[@WakenerOne]

The most apt description I ever saw was in an early review of the comics where it says that "DC has finally given us a Death that is to die for."

[@kali3665]

In one of DC's Who's Who books, they showed the goth girl Death and just filled the entry with the following in large blue cursive, "One day you will meet her - you will find out for yourself."

[@JohnTLyon]

🤣🤣🤣!!!

[@thegrunbeld6876]

damn that's dark

[@pendragonxt3674]

She is one of the friendliest, kindest, and smartest of all the endless. She helped Dream find meaning again after his first adventure, and thanks to her he became a better person all for it!

[@Magnus1964]

It was cover artist Dave McKean who designed Death. He based her look on a gorgeous Goth model named Cinamon Hadley (R.I.P.).

[@Dem-Herrn]

R.I.P. Cinamon Hadley

[@davidcauley9400]

It was first sandman artist Mike Dringenberg, who knew Cinamon :)

[@mattcurr9931]

It was definitely Mike Dringenberg

[@Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl]

and Hollywood ruined it with their shi*** political Idea

[@widdershins5383]

The animated short movie they made for Death was amazing

[@R-Chillz]

Yeah, I didn't mind it

[@romanhardware]

It was and the painting of her too

[@coryd951]

It was excellent, definitely deserves a feature length one too

[@abps9947]

It was better than what Netflix is doing Hope it gets cancelled

[@PhoenixCent]

@@abps9947 it didn’t even come out yet…

[@Christian_H3rnand3z]

I saw DC Showcase: Death, on KZbin moments ago. I love how they portrayed her. Very accurate to her comic debut.

[@Christian_H3rnand3z]

@rabbit Say what???

[@dabblerdeluxe775]

@@Christian_H3rnand3z he is talking about the netflix adaption

[@Christian_H3rnand3z]

@@dabblerdeluxe775 Oh. About how she's black in the Netflix series. Yeah. I kinda wish they stuck with her being paled, just because I want to see how paled Death would look in live action. I'm not racist, so don't go there. This series is said to be very comic accurate, and I'm sure the actress is very talented.

[@dabblerdeluxe775]

@@Christian_H3rnand3z I'm a brown guy also but having a black women play Death of the endless is like Matt Damon play T'challah, it just ain't right. If they wanted to do it for some diversity and representation they should of had Gaiman write original characters for original on screen sandman stories. the problem here is this like everything else becomes part of a culture war where people are giving it 10 just because of the criticism it received and most of the people I talk to never even read the comic. Netflix adaptations are disrespectful. The original marvel lineup like daredevil wasn't bad tho(iron fist was)

[@Christian_H3rnand3z]

@@dabblerdeluxe775 So you think the actress is good. But you would also wish she was paled?

[@Pyramanager]

really wish we couldve seen this pale goth beauty in the live action

[@doodoo5594]

i love the concept of death appreciating the small moments that make life worth living, it makes complete sense and it’s such a fresh take on death, well as fresh as someting from the 90s can be

[@walterroche8192]

I'm gonna have to dig that comic outta my collection and read it again! I also think I'm gonna use this version of Death in my D&D world. It's a fantastical & whimsical, yet very human approach to the end of life.

[@petergibney8412]

I like to think that the kindness of Death of the Endless is supposed to represent that we shouldn’t fear death because it is a natural part of human existence!!!!

[@NTRMAN-bh2bd]

yeah no shit

[@zaneviper]

I’ve just started writing a book about the life of a psychopomp (grim reaper) and it is shockingly similar to this interpretation of death. In my take, reapers appear very similar to humans and act as therapists for the recently deceased, comforting them until they are ready to move onto their next plain of existence

[@User-VerseS]

There was also the Angel of Death, Azrael, in the show Lucifer. Another Gaiman property. But that version didn't dress Gothic, or a member one of the Endless. She was an Angel with wings and all, the sister of Lucifer, and basically comedian Charlyne Yi in personality. So she did have a sunny demeanor and cared about her siblings.

[@moderatecanuck]

It barely used Gaiman’s material

[@Greendalewitch]

@@moderatecanuck "barely" is such a generous way to describe the show. I think the only thing they used from the original comic was that Lucifer left Hell to found a club, and thats it.

[@alltheworldsastage4785]

Another DC property, you mean? Lol. Gaiman doesn't own any of these characters, he just created them for DC, DC Comics owns them.

[@wolfrex2721]

@@alltheworldsastage4785 False, DC needs his permission to use them

[@alltheworldsastage4785]

@@wolfrex2721 DC doesn't need permission from anyone to use the characters from Sandman, DC outright owns these characters, the agreement that DC does have with Gaiman however, is that if ever they were to do a live action rendition of the comics, they'd always include him so as to preserve his vision and the quality of the IP, and DC agreed.

[@voicegravy1103]

Couldn’t have had a more pleasurable experience bringing “life” to this video about Death through the voiceover 🌅! We hope to cover the rest of the family in upcoming videos!

[@zawwin1846]

The furies are afraid of death because she does not follow the rules. If dream of the endless wanted to use his full power, I doubt even the furies are a match.

[@phillipstory2523]

The Fates are a different story...

[@tiagodagostini]

Well it is only logical the furies fear death since nothing dies without death's permission. So death CANNOT DIE unless she wants to die Also since she is life she immediately turns back to life. She is the definition of someone you cannot ever get rid of.

[@qbhi___]

wasnt dream killed by the furies haha

[@zawwin1846]

@@qbhi___ Dream never died. How can you kill an action? Morpheus died, one interpretation of an endless concept of an action. That said, he CHOSE to die because of the guilt he felt after murdering his son. The endless follow a set of rules created during the beginning of the multiverse with death being the exception. There were many times when he could simply avert his death. In fact, the reason he chose daniel hall was in order for him to die. 1-He could have just never kill his son. Spilling family blood makes you vulnerable like loving mortals. It can only end badly. That’s why dire tried he best in order to get Morpheus to kill her/his child. 2- He could have stepped over the circle and kill the mother. This way the furies would be called off. They even addressed it in the comics, it’s not that he CANT but won’t as it would break the rules. 3- He could just ignore the summon as the furies can’t do squat while he is in his realm. Yes they can kill the other inhabitants but he can recreate them no problem. 4- He can just leave. I know, even death said it in the final panels. He simply could leave the dreaming like destruction and the furies would leave him alone. 5- The funny thing is that death could simply not reap him. The furies can do squat if death CHOSE not to take her brother. Morpheus had been planning his suicide for a long time. Death respected his wish and chose to grant it.

[@KingJin726]

Sadly.... Netflix ruined my dreams again. I wish I could get characters on screen that resemble the ones I see in the books I read 🙄

[@zhoom2498]

Yeah.. 😞

[@sidious187]

Neil approved the actress 🤷

[@uk999jr7]

We don't care we just want the characters the way we remember them​@@sidious187

[@seanlynott9033]

just stick to the books then.

[@kaylaturnis9486]

I had read the comic story of Neil Gaiman's The Sandman. So I know who Death Of The Endless is! It's a cool story!

[@vginsprdsobepr9698]

One of the features I mostly liked of Death was her pale white skin. It’s much more pale than any other character in the DC Universe. I wish they got an actress who looked more like the comic book character. I all for the representation of minorities but I would probably feel the same way if they contracted a white man to play the role of Black Panther. Some characters should never be “race swooped” like that!

[@matthiasdindorf1466]

One should never forget that the endless appear as the viewer wants to see them. Clad in assumptions and preconceptions, albeit formed in a manner to best facilitate their task. Death herself stated that she appears as needed. Be it as a warrior or motherly figure. So I think it best to see the past depiction as a product of her time - both on an artistic and a story level.

[@nyxie1439]

Especially since they claimed to be faithful to the source material but I guess "The Message" is more important to some companies....

[@willnox1]

Same here not a good casting choice.

[@willnox1]

@@matthiasdindorf1466 But that's incorrect considering how we've only seen her as a pale white goth chick...

[@punishersnake4888]

just think if it was the other way around... a white women cast as a black lady... the SJWs would never shut up about it...

[@ponchacho]

She was always one of my fav characters back in the days, loved her caring personality towards us sad humans.

[@nielsjensen4185]

The two best versions of Death are sir Terry Patchett's Death of Discworld and Niel Gaiman's Death of the Endless. The two of them were friends while sir Terry Pratchett was alive. Coincidence? I see a lot of the Death of Discworld in Death of the Endless, and later Death of the Endless influenced Death of Discworld.

[@wcapewell3089]

Maybe some aspects of both were put into Death from Good Omens, written by both Neil and Sir Terry.

[@johnnyfountainS]

Sandman 19 1989 won a world fantasy award for best short story. After that, comics were banned from the world fantasy awards.

[@ArtistChibi]

My ex, who introduced me to this series, told me about that. Honestly, The Sandman series deserved it. Great story, even if a comic.

[@BrokenNoah]

And I hear the gentle beating of mighty wings

[@Kingdeath0911]

Thank u for makin my day she is my favorite character

[@WhitneyDahlin]

Death and the maiden is a trope that goes back for all of human history. especially in the Renaissance there were lots of paintings of beautiful maidens dancing with skeleton (or the grim reaper) representing death. I think it's because women give life. Women are inherently tied to bringing life into the world. Young maidens have all of the promise and fertility and potential to bring life into the world so it makes sense to me they would be associated with death as well. Life and death are two sides the same coin. Having aa skeleton representing death dancing with a beautiful young girl has this interesting comparison like light and dark, or sun and moon. Women can give life and therefore can choose NOT to give life which is like death by inaction. Even today our society has a fascination with beautiful young girls dying tragically young. If you look at the true crime community the most popular and well known cases are those are the victim is a beautiful young woman. Idk something about it just draws our attention.

[@punishersnake4888]

always really liked the character of death in sandman... cant wait to see how the show turns out

[@CartoonboyYT]

Death is an amazing character! She is more than death, she brings life and hope for people!

[@dwaterlaw8886]

i liked death in comics more than in netflix serie

[@theaweissinger]

I know I am late to this but I remember watching a video by itsupereffective about deaths history and was extremely interested in this interpretation of death. Her design her attitude towards her job and how she does it all is amazing. She like Abby from NCIS and a really caring friend mixed into one and I love it.

[@tnightwolf]

3:19 Btw, i'm sorry, but that's just Keanu Reeves in a beautiful and magnificent image right there!

[@petergibney8412]

I never realized goth style felicity smoke was supposed to be Death of the Endless!!!! I’m so surprised by this 😮😮😮😮

[@giyuutomioka6974]

Same here. And she looks gorgeous in the style.

[@WakenerOne]

In your list of other TV allusions to Death, you miss Lucifer, who in a later season episode is confronted with the idea of Death as the Grim Reaper, but retorts quite forcefully "Death is a little girl!"

[@GothicXlightning]

a Beautiful Goth Girl, always my kind

[@MykkR0b0]

Changed the thumbnail I see 😉

[@mortaniusdernekromant7288]

Good to know that i don´t need to watch this on Netflix.

[@Auron1Roxas2]

You very much do since it's only available on netflix.

[@andresgarza8511]

@@Auron1Roxas2 nah I can pirate the sh%t out of it

[@maiafay]

It’s a good show, and the main actor really anchors the plot as Dream. But yeah, you have to overlook some politics and woke themes. It’s worth it though.

[@mortaniusdernekromant7288]

@@maiafay I know People that would say the same about "The Predator" , needles to say that this Movie was absolut Shit and i don´t give a Fuck about your opinion, because i have enough from overlooking wokeness, instead i will ignore every new woke shit and enjoy the old good Movies and TV Shows.

[@andresgarza8511]

@@maiafay good answer but still even with the good writting and stelalr cast for the most part still i wont bend the knee if i do that then they will keep going we already got cowboy beboop down, this is next

[@SebbyZero]

Death got BLACKED

[@tnightwolf]

DC/Vertigo has, by far, some of the best Comic-Book characters to have ever come to life!.. Sandman is the best imo, but there are some others (characters and comic-books that REALLY get close to it!) How can't i not miss the late 80's/early 90's of DC/Vertigo?!... Those were the true Golden Years!

[@bobbugwithoneeyeskingiskin8974]

“Making it present day”, just means it will be crap!

[@johnnyfountainS]

I remember the 1989 sandman comics.

[@davidedgar5923]

Little known fact, Gaiman modeled her outlook and attitude after the singer Tori Amos. Tori wrote the Forward for the Death graphic novel.

[@ironlightsaber]

Actually he based Delirium on Tori, not death.

[@davidedgar5923]

@@ironlightsaber yes correct. She made mention of that in the forward.

[@davidedgar5923]

@Damien Momed as Jack mentioned I was wrong about the inspiratuon of Death. Idk is Delirium will featured in the new show. There is one way that race swapping Death makes sense. Every century she inhabits the body of a mortal who will die at the end of the day. This way she can understand what it is to be mortal and feel the fear of death. If they go this route, Death can inhabit anyone.

[@andreanecchi5930]

'' The pale '' not for netflix😂

[@alexmontrose8004]

The NONE of it for Netflix. Smell that? Smell that hot wet steaming pile of.....uh......representation? Yeah. Me too.

[@Auron1Roxas2]

Yeah y'all gonna have to deal with Death being black.

[@GothPaoki]

That's the thing. When you think death you think this deathly pale complexion. It fits better to the character.

[@Auron1Roxas2]

@@GothPaoki Except it's death and it doesn't have fit anything. Racist just can't handle a black woman being death.

[@GothPaoki]

@@Auron1Roxas2 classic sjw trying to fit racism into anything...

[@mumbix]

This was amazing. great work bud!

[@angelchang5194]

I know nothing about this character, but they definitely went out of their way to not make her look like the character at all 🤣

[@LoneCanadianPoet]

And right now, The Salvation Army has gone out of their way to create a short creepy satanic chick out of the "life" of Bif Naked... which they have modeled after Gaiman's "Death" character. Go figure. Vancouver. More reasons to never go back.😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@kloa4219]

they abort babies more than any other group so it fits

[@emperorsean1]

That's what happens when they put agenda and wokeness over you know making a FAITHFUL ADAPTION scene for scene page for page. Which means depict the characters the way they are and not gender or race swap. It's dissapointing that gaimen has allowed this but he's going through a messy divorce. Marvel has done this and hasn't been successful. This will fail.

[@reapersritehand]

@@emperorsean1 yea but what do you do when the creator said that's who she should be? Don't get it twisted I'm pissed too, I have every issue and collected edition, plus every statue of death and sandman that's came out so far

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

@@reapersritehand Neil Gaiman created her based on a white woman. Him bactracking is JK Rowling levels of "can I get some brownie points for pandering, pretty please?" But she was white for a really good reason: Because she isn't a human and doesn't actually have a race. There's plenty of diversity in the Sandman. It was a really progressive series from the get-go. There were trans characters and powerful women and even important black characters. But not making the Endless, the very characters that form the core of the series look like they were designed to is a serious slap in the fucking face. The Endless were pale white to signify that they had no ethnicity and they can appear in any form that reflected the culture/universe they were in. Hell, even Delirium took the form of a Chinese girl at one point. It's off-putting that Netflix and even Neil himself chose to completely shrug this off.

[@faithfullkadan2969]

I was trying to think who else would had worked as sandman, all I could come up with was Robert Patterson, an I'm not mad at that. Everything outside of twilight shows him I. Such a better light, he's amazing in Harry Potter and the newest batman movie was perfect on him! Plus, the body build is pretty much the same lol. Regardless, the actor playing him was best choice🤌🏽

[@billcox8870]

Delirium used to be delight.

[@dianaruman8723]

She changed into delirium, in my head canon, because she grew up. From a naive little girl into a teenager, aware of how ridiculous the world is.

[@petertyson4022]

Sandman was a brilliant comic. Vertigo comics. Good show 👍😊

[@damianstarks3338]

I remember this character nice to see a video on her from this channel.

[@kuroninja9899]

After watching the series I wanted to go back and reread some of the sandman series and I honestly had no idea how much they actually got right in the series.

[@Chevalier_knight]

Yeh if you ignore them making every char they could black.

[@SabrinaLaBelladonna]

And female.

[@MrCjosue24]

I prefer more the pale Death

[@revbr4v087]

he didn't fight Lucifer for the helm ... it was some dorky looking demon.

[@thequestion2041]

wow death will look exactly the same as in the comics in the new netflix series............

[@chieftech714]

the endless is fascinating

[@romanhardware]

I get that Kirby is a talented actress but they should have stayed true to the comic with no changes.

[@jamesmcdaniel2206]

Why? They literally look like whatever they or anyone else wants. If Gaiman thinks she's the best, then all the better.

[@GothPaoki]

Gaiman doesn't award roles based on who he thinks is the best but on who he thinks fits certain social criteria. But don't take my word on it he has said so himself. If you follow his Twitter account it's full of sjw material

[@keijijohnson9754]

@@jamesmcdaniel2206 But the character has always been depicted as being a very hot pale goth woman in practically most of the portrayals. With all of them being very pale at the very least! THAT chick can't possibly be able to make any of that criteria regardless of how much Gaiman toys to say otherwise!

[@jamesmcdaniel2206]

@@GothPaoki that's kinda unfortunate to hear, but I will continue to hold onto hope that this adaptation is fantastic because it is my favorite comic.

[@jamesmcdaniel2206]

@@keijijohnson9754 so? Lucifer is cast by a woman in this and I see a lot less criticism on that. People being in an uproar about her skin color, pro and con, seems cringe AF. I just hope it's people too wrapped up in adaptation fears than anything else.

[@milutinstankovic4638]

If Death ever appears in animated movie or cartoon or video game who's gonna voice her?, my money is on Tara Strong

[@TevyaSmolka]

I am still hoping for John Constantine in good show but I don’t see that happening.

[@cha5]

Damn, Well at least they still have Constantine in the Sandman audiobook.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@cha5 that's true

[@joeclarke7982]

I enjoyed the Constantine show I thought it was canceled much too early

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@joeclarke7982 same here I love that Constantine show

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@joeclarke7982 indeed same here as well

[@MrBilld75]

You had me at Charles Dance. That guy is awesome, especially as a villain.

[@thelaughingman6975]

I found this character from the short. Loved it and her. Absolutely beautiful tale. But the newest cast lineup for the sandman has me asking. Will they do body makeup since Death literally has ghostly white skin or will they just ignore it like with Domino.

[@mewletter]

Most likely they just kept her Goth fashion. The Endless could change their form whatever they choose. I'm curious if the actress can perfectly portray her personality

[@rishun13]

..uhm..so did u like it?hahaha

[@maiafay]

They ignored it for diversity. However, the actress did a good job. So I suppose the show breaks even in that regard. Not sure why it was hard to find a petite goth girl to play the role, but maybe Hollywood was fresh out.

[@WakenerOne]

@@maiafay I always said that Selena Gomez would be perfect for Death. Of course, she's busy with Only Murders In The Building.

[@calvinbethea3369]

@@maiafay to be fair are Goths still a thing now. Who do you see dressed up in gothic regalia. It was a fad that influenced the creators. Next the Endless are anthropomorphic personifications Dream was perceived as black by the African queen Nala and as a cat by another cat. I don’t think it was ignored for diversity as apposed to taking advantage of finding the best actor. Neil Gaimen was happy with her audition and stated that this was this version of death.

[@jamalvargas6146]

Mission Hill The Late 90's WB Show Was Axed too soon and found a second life on late night cartoon block Adult Swim in 2002

[@daverogers8943]

CHARLES DANCE...COOL THAT'S SARDO NUMSPA or as Eddie Murphy say it Brother Numpseee

[@stevenburton7725]

Death does not have to continue doing the job. As we saw when Destruction quit his job, and he himself said, that even after he left destruction continued in his absence.

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

She did quit once because she was tired of people hating her. But she then saw what it did to humanity and went back. After that, she chose one day to become a human to remind herself what death means to mortals.

[@ArtistChibi]

Death quitting is different from Destruction quitting. Death continues, even when destruction ends. Death is the vital role to life. If Death quits, life suffers.

[@stevenburton7725]

@@ArtistChibi Death wouldn’t stop if she quit. All she does is usher people to the afterlife, and could easily give that role to someone else, or allow people to find peace on their own. Just like Dream disappearing, nothing really changed. People still had dreams, objects were still destroyed, people continue to feel delight. None of them are required to exist. They simply observe, and try to help

[@ArtistChibi]

@@stevenburton7725 I didn't say "Death would stop". I said, "if Death quits, life suffers". There is more to Death's role than Destruction's role. Just like how people suffered when Dream disappeared. Did you not read the comics or even listened to the video?

[@stevenburton7725]

@@ArtistChibi cute, a needless ad hominem attack. I hope that you feel better about yourself. I have been reading these comics since they were just comics, kid. You make an inference that Death is vitally important, but she really isn’t. Suffering is a condition that happens when informed people make judgments about their lives. Do you believe that every wild animal suffers throughout its entire life? Are you so childish as to believe that every human needs to be ushered along to the Sunless Lands? Death herself said otherwise in issue 8, but I guess that you know better than the character or author. Do you enjoy ad hominem attacks?

[@123r97]

Did they learn nothing from the dumpster fire that is Titans the DC show? I get that no one watched it but you have to look at previous history on this kind of thing and realize it's going to be controversial. Kirby might do a great job in the role or she might portray the character completely differently and I'll feel a bit cheated out of a great character but there was no real need to change specifically Death's character's appearance. I get that Americans whitewash movies and I don't agree with that either but that doesn't mean that they need to overcorrect by making a character with a nickname of 'the pale lady' black. She's literally the only character in the show that it wouldn't make sense to change. Heck they could have even changed Dreams default appearance and I wouldn't have minded, it would even be a fun tie-in for the whole time in Africa subplot thing so they wouldn't need to use a different actor. I don't mind the change to lucifer, the actor they are using is great too from her appearance in game of thrones. I don't mind the change to the head librarian because their appearance isn't explicitly something like 'the pale one' or anything XD Just make the black characters be portrayed well instead of following any stereotypes rather than forcing more into places they don't make sense for the sake of 'being inclusive' because then you'll just come off as copying whitewashing which is also bad. Also on the grounds of shapeshifting Death and Dream do shape-shift throughout the series but rather than turn into whatever they want they seem to instead take on an appearance based on those that perceive them, adapting what's to be expected but when alone they have a fairly singular appearance. When the gods come to visit dream in order to plead their case for the key he meets with each of them and with each meeting his appearance changes to fall more in line with them. Taking a traditional Japanese attire and appearance for Susano-o-no-Mikoto of the Japanese pantheon. He even gains less human features when meeting with Bast the Egyptian cat god becoming more catlike but not entirely cat as he does in his appearance as the cat of dreams.

[@jcaseyjones2829]

I've read at least half a dozen Death comics and in exactly zero of them she was black. It's old, guys. Just make your own, different black character. Maybe a death with electricity powers.

[@ifjNagyMiklos]

Kinda funny how netflix had to ruin the most iconic character in the adaptation...

[@LadeeSRM]

I was so looking forward to “meeting” the book version in the series. Not her. :(

[@corporateturtle6005]

I'm sure this will go about as well as the live action adaptation of Cowboy Beebop that got canceled after a few episodes or route the current Lord of the Woke is going with black elves and dwarves, lol.

[@punishersnake4888]

the cowboy bebop was made by a team that didnt care about the anime at all and wanted to do their own thing... Neil has alot to do with the sandman show... so i'm sure it will turn out better than cowboy bebop... but i understand why you are worried... SJWs ruin everything they touch

[@Jacobe2of4]

that pissed me off with the casting. It's not that she is being portrayed by a black actress. Or the fact that Netflix has a tendency to fire "Woke" actors suddenly upon completion of a project and blacklist them from working again. The sandman is the one series Netflix could do where different genders and ethnicities for characters makes sense. The endless have no gender or ethnicity specifically. Their appearances are based on how people perceive them due to a multitude of factors such as that person's race, culture, time period, and religion. So in other words, their appearance is based on an interpretation of whoever is in their presence at any given time. The endless can appropriate entire races and represent religions like it's a "teenage phase" based on how a person interacting with them interprets them. That being said, the actress they chose is supposed to portray an interpretation of death who is a white goth girl. which makes sense due to the time period the comic is set in along with the backround and races of the characters she interacts with. They would have to change up the majority of her backstory of every character she interacts with in order to explain how her appearance makes absolutely no sense in the context of the original character. They are missing a major point the source material was trying to make.

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

@@punishersnake4888 Lol The Sandman was always a progressive series. It had a lot of LGBTQIA, black and female empowerment in it from the start. It just wasn't as out there due to the massive amounts of plot and subtext. Desire is non-binary and there is a trans character. Even Dream's first lover is a powerful black woman. There are even gay and lesbian characters and a lesbian couple (who have a child, even). And Death even gives a talk about AIDS prevention and safe sex during the time when the HIV/AIDS epidemic was raging. It's not the SJW's fault that directors don't know what to fucking do with certain properties. Cowboy Bebop was bad because it just didn't translate well to live action and a lot of it was just cringy and jarring. I'm sure the production team cared about it, otherwise they wouldn't have tried to keep it somewhat faithful. But things have to be changed to make new audiences care and to make it work in the limitations of live action. I think the Sandman would be better as an animated series due to how fantastical and out there it gets.

[@ProductionAnything]

Failed

[@1ManNamedDan]

All of this. I hope it hits them hard enough in the pocket book that they finally stop race swapping and gender swapping characters just to include larger audiences for profit. It's the fans of the books that gave them their success and yet they try to garner more by making unneeded and nonsense changes like they did in that awful Dark Tower garbage film and I love Idris Elba but I loved those books more and I'm glad they got their asses handed to them at the box office! Quit fucking with the fans or you won't have any.

[@redjirachi1]

"I assure, Death being a cute goth gf is necessary for the story"-Neil Gaiman

[@RyanRoemer8624]

Neil Gaiman's Sandman universe is amazing

[@galibx2332]

Correction they are not the embodiment of certain aspect/idea/concept they are the aspect/idea/concept themselves.

[@kalinaribic6383]

She kind of reminds me of Jane the killer in appearence.

[@johndavidson2365]

The 'Pale Goth' girl looks very not pale to me

[@williampearson6299]

She's good in Netflix's version

[@capnjackgallows3204]

@@williampearson6299 doesn't matter. Not portrayed as originally portrayed.

[@williampearson6299]

@@capnjackgallows3204 Cry then

[@DeathstrokeFGC]

Yeah this blackwashing shit is getting ridiculous always pictures what she’d look like in live action and of course they do this shit instead of the pale goth girl. DC needs to stick to animated movies if they’re gonna give in to this liberal “inclusion” bullshit

[@matthewschwartz6607]

Jewel loves the Death Mini-series too.

[@alricsmith6115]

Another thing that made her the most powerful is her name alone Death of the Endless even the beings that are endless in nature can, and will, meet their end eventually

[@zsolti357]

Is it white? Yes! Make it black! Yess!

[@tnightwolf]

I mean... the way she is presented to you in the comic-books... how can't anyone get just a little bit curious about what is the flip-side of that deal? XD If everyone has to go out, then why not go out (at 120 years old age) with a Lady like Lady Death? ;D

[@thanatostheredreaper1706]

She’s not some goddess of death. She is Death. Straight. Up.

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

"Yeah, we're gonna make this as faithful to the comics as possible, but we're gonna still change a lot to the point where it isn't really faithful and overhauls a lot of the logic in the comics, due to it being set in the modern day and the comics in the 80's. Oh, and we gender-swapped characters and made the most popular character in the series black, even though it really doesn't make sense to do so." This is gonna be the Death Note movie all over again.

[@Aeternuss]

As a Sandman fan, I think it is a huge casting mistake to give the Death role to Kirby Howell-Baptiste...

[@ralphso5567]

Its Hollowood making sure to check the diversity box

[@matthiasdindorf1466]

Why? Is she such a bad actress?

[@willnox1]

@@matthiasdindorf1466 Noooo she's actually amazing, it just doesn't fit with what has been represented in the comics.

[@moondivine2288]

@@willnox1 you do know that due to the distribution NOBODY could portray death. She isn’t human and is just white. Not human white as white people do have some color. White as paper.

[@gabrielhughes8221]

When This going to come out on Netflix?

[@mansamusa8410]

death is my all-time favorite character of the sandman series she really stole the show I hope Kirby Howell-Baptiste can bring death to life pun intended .

[@sharkchaos5160]

Great Video.

[@Hivedragon]

I always find it strange that people complain that colored people dont get roles and call other people racist for when certain beloved characters are depicted different when they are made in other media, when they complain about it. But yet they never demand that the tales/legends like for example Africa are never made to series or movies.... Double standards if you ask me.

[@AzayBae]

Yeah like I’m hispanic and would love something with gods and monsters of aztec or mayan culture. It wouldn’t be the same old boring greek crap. Hollywood is lazy and to avoid getting cancelled they have quotas. Though I must say its weird I don’t ever see characters being made asian or latino. It’s always black or white. Lgbt characters are never made straight but the opposite is possible. I am lgbt myself and I hate most token gays or trans. They are cringy and written like a 12-year-old was given the script.

[@BajanPhynyx]

Who told you that no one makes demands🤔

[@Hivedragon]

@@BajanPhynyx Do you have examples that they do.

[@BajanPhynyx]

@@Hivedragon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm a Black woman. That's all you need to know.

[@Hivedragon]

@@BajanPhynyx Thats it?

[@terryfloyd3505]

Torchwood:Miracle day explored a world where no one dies--it isnt pretty:P

[@Catdogomeow]

Ngl, i am sad that didn’t got to see the cute goth girl in the live action series

[@capnjackgallows3204]

Me too man , yeah something else holly woke fucked up

[@GothPaoki]

This show is gonna suck because politics...

[@A_real_Ha_So]

Why? The dozen or so libs who followed the series should easily to swell to 36 after word of mouth

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

Imagine thinking that the Sandman was never political lmao

[@oluwadamilola6233]

You wish

[@Montbiveau]

Non 100% white cast = politics

[@GothPaoki]

@@Montbiveau changing established characters because of political correctness= politics

[@danielpatterson5189]

Sorry but if you mispronounce the author's name in the first 30 seconds I automatically don't take you seriously.

[@nikzane]

And correcting in text is tricky…."Hey OP it's Gay-man not Guy-man". 😏

[@Lizardman]

DC is so fantastic! I just love the franchise all over!! Can someone please help me find the music in this video?

[@gettingwreckedgaming5427]

Death was the main character i was looking forward to seeing realized from the comic version. it sucks we're not going to get to see that because they decided to choose inclusion over trying to stay authentic to the comic. they did the same thing with lucien. it's such a shame.

[@princessmochachip12]

well the original creator is a producer and heavily involved in the making of the series and said that the show is faithful to the comics so i don’t know what you’re going on about! Death can be and look like anyone or anything!!!!!! The character in the comics is the action personified not an actual person!

[@solomonkane8136]

Yeah, technically they could all decide to look like parrots and frogs, but I'm disappointed to see her depicted totally different from the vision I'd grown to love.

[@gettingwreckedgaming5427]

@@solomonkane8136 Exactly! You get used to a certain look of a character as they're depicted across multiple books so when you hear they're doing a tv show based on the books or comics then you kind of expect them to keep at least most of the aesthetic of the characters that fans have grown to know and love. you're supposed to respect not just the author's vision but the fans as well as without the fans you have nothing but letters on page.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

@@princessmochachip12 that is seriously the stupidest argument, why do you keep making it? Make it a cow then.. just make the character literally a cow.. why does it always have to be a black woman? This isn't a creative decision.. it's a diversity hire ham fisted bullsh it and all of you pretending it's not are annoying.. youre gaslighters.. youre lying.. brushing this off like it's nothing is dishonest..

[@WakenerOne]

And Mazikeen . . . who wasn't even IN "A Hope In Hell" in the comics. I wondered at that--Gwendylon Christie as Lucifer looked a whole lot like Lucifer in that story but not at all like Tom Ellis. But Maze looked a lot like the actress who played her in the TV show and not at all like the male character from the comics.

[@JoeyXSmith]

People in the future are going be embarrassed by the amount of blackwashing and tokism in these adaptations from this age. They be scratching there heads, trying to understand why this type of racism are in these movies and tv shows? The same way we look at whitewashing characters from the past, in movies or TV shows. Why can't we create or promote existing black characters in fiction? We have the ability to do so and have done so, yet here we are again?

[@Hivedragon]

Because they are lazy. There are enough old tales in Africa that would make for awesome shows/movies.

[@Montbiveau]

Nah. If they care enough to scratch their head, it will be at people throwing a tantrum at a fictional anthropomorphic personifications not being 100% white.

[@F5ss]

Neil GAEIMAN

[@foxsparrow8973]

Just because you love the look of Death in the comics and you where hoping for a similar look in live action does not make you the Grand Dragon of the KKK. I imagine what the response would be if Cyborg was played by a white actor.

[@LadeeSRM]

I was really hoping for the comic version of her. The idea that this sweet looking gothic girl was Death. The way she looked at life and lived it on its terms when she became human once every hundred years was amazing. “Human.” She was so kind, as well as intelligent, strong and to the point. In all her cuteness, you knew she was powerful. It was an incredible thing to study. I have a tattoo of her. I was saddened.

[@foxsparrow8973]

@@LadeeSRM a lot of people think the way you do but it's considered "toxic" for having as opinion

[@yoggysothoth]

Need a new character called "Woke of the Endless" 🤣

[@Dreyz-pg2zz]

@@yoggysothoth boomer humor

[@ddrebrne3336]

@@yoggysothoth : They should be white to make you feel better 🤣🤣🤣

[@frobocop926]

I just discover her a few months ago... and... I like her... 💘👉👈

[@thothheartmaat2833]

I know.. let's make every character the exact opposite of what it is.. muh creative freedom bro.. give it a chance.. excuse me waiter I ordered lobster.. well sir this is a dog.. try it you'll like it...

[@totorod]

I know you learned it by reading it, so I won’t tease you. But every time I heard Neil GUYman it was nails on a chalkboard heh. Dunno why, it isn’t like I have a personal stake :) but the author himself says GAYman :)

[@darrellwill7970]

It's too bad this version of Death isn't on the Netflix series.

[@williampearson6299]

Kirby's version is better

[@cloberlobster2276]

@@williampearson6299 she still did an amazing job.

[@cloberlobster2276]

@@williampearson6299 but you only see more interested in her physical appearance than her character.

[@everyman1]

@@cloberlobster2276 she didn't do a great job in my opinion. Mediocre.

[@cloberlobster2276]

@@everyman1 based on what? Please backup your evidence to say that she's mediocre, because for what I have seen. Her kindness, mannerism, and soft speaking voice perfectly matches death. Not only that, she has a sisterly attitude towards dream, just like in the comics. If you're going to say what she's mediocre, at least say it instead of basing it off of nothing. Unless you're trying to tiptoe around what you're really trying to say makes her unappealing.

[@leafy4142]

"Pale." The thumbnail had one job.

[@jbuditch]

It did it’s job. Netflix didn’t.

[@rexflamevermillion5527]

now i see why thanos is simping for death........

[@grigorios21]

And there I thought Death would be a cute Busty Japanese Goth Schoolgirl, my DREAMS are crushed and my day is ruined, Thank you Netflix.

[@ArtistChibi]

Maybe Death can be your busty Japanese Goth Schoolgirl. ;)

[@williampearson6299]

Maybe that's the problem. The oversexualization of characters

[@grigorios21]

@@williampearson6299 Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

[@TimothyCollins]

No, she is not the physical embodiment of death. Death is Death. Just like Dream is Dream and Destiny is Destiny. Matter of fact the fact that each character literally IS that thing is the motivating factor in the main conflict - Desire wants to tempt Dream into violating the rules. There is no "because" in that because Desire just desires - it just wants. It doesn't have reasons - it just wants. There is no power play and no goal in the machinations of Desire. These characters are not embodiments of concepts - they are the concepts themselves.

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

You pronounced Neil Gaiman's surname wrong, the first syllable is pronounced 'gay'. not 'guy' or guy-e'.

[@TeaBurn]

I was excited for The Sandman Live Action announcement...then I lost all interest after I saw that they "Netflixed" Death, as they typically do to the point of it joined the ranks of the "Netflix adaption" meme. Ironically, CW's pseudo-cosplay Easter Egg of Death was more accurate look to the comic and Cinamon Hadley, Death's character design inspiration.

[@onlyceilingfans6394]

I'm down bad for Death lol

[@vegetaisbetterthangoku2891]

I'm down trendously

[@tanakinskywalker7089]

Death isn’t even the most powerful endless. It’s the same order they’re born in