Yes, I NEED a FAST CROSSBOW!

I hunted with a 305 fps crossbow for 11 years--and I could use that same crossbow effectively for 11 more! But do more modern speeds fix some of the issues I experienced with that older, slower model?
To make more sense of this video, be sure to watch my Deer Jumping the String video (the interview with Darren Cummings): • Jumping the String | R...
Our Speed Testing Livestream was a blast, and has lots of good info in it: • Crossbow SPEED Testing...
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Now, I am not sponsored by anyone. I am a free agent. I experiement with different types of gear, but I'll tell you my honest opinion about everything out there. I am not sponsored by Excalibur or Scorpyd...read on:
Bunjie (The O.B.) is a 2010 Excalibur Axiom Crossbow. After a decade of killing deer, hogs, squirrels--you name it!--with the "stock" 20" Easton Firebolt arrows, Bunjie experimented with heavy arrows during 2020 but has since decided to hunt with 20" ProFlight arrows from Easton, for a total arrow weight of just under 400 grains when tipped with a 100 grain Rage Crossbow Hypodermic Broadhead. This keeps ol' Bunjie around 300fps. Is Bunjie retired as of 2021?
Bunjie, Jr., is my daughter Genevieve's crossbow, an Excalibur Micro Suppressor 355. She also shoots ProFlights (16.5" variety) with a 150 grain Rage Trypan Crossbow Broadhead, for a total arrow weight around 415 grains. This crossbow was a much appreciated gift from a Friend of Bunjie, and it changed Death by Bunjie forever by inspiring Genevieve to become a part of it as a second-generation crossbow hunter, and it also convinced me there is a benefit to a newer, faster crossbow (see our 2020 Maryland Doe Hunt).
Bunjie III (or Bunjie '21, Bunjie 3.0) is a 2021 Scorpyd Deathstalker, the result of trying various models and looking at dozens of them online for characteristics I liked. It is, in fact, another gift from a different Friend of Bunjie, which goes to show how important Friends of Bunjie are to this channel and what an impact they can have. Although I really liked what I saw online, I would not have even tried a Scorpyd given that no shops near me carried them. This was sent to me new, free of charge...with the only stipulation being that if I didn't like it, I would send it back to that FOB. After spending some time with it, I am convinced it is, in fact, the right crossbow for me in 2021, and I look forward to showcasing this crossbow in future videos.
So, I am not sponsored by these companies. I am sponsored by Friends of Bunjie! (I'm not asking for gifts whatsoever--please don't feel like you should send me stuff! But I do appreciate the support I've received over the years! I'm just trying to express my appreciation for that.)
Once again, this channel is about my love of the crossbow, hunting, and the outdoors. I hunt exclusively with the crossbow. I love it. Sure, like a lot of kids, I started hunting with a good ol' Model '94 Winchester .30-30 back in the 80's, but drifted away from hunting when I went off to college, law school, and started a family. As my daughter got older, I regained my interest in the outdoors, and I consider myself lucky to hunt on the same property today that I hunted on as a kid. I got the Excalibur Axiom crossbow in 2010 and I haven't looked back. This channel is the result of combining my interest in filming and hunting...
...and music, too! My related channel, Yankee Militia, showcases my music. Some of the music is hunting-related, so check that out, too! The soundtrack for this channel is provided by my band, so the two are intertwined. The albums "Live Free or Kill" and "Zombies Gotta Eat, Too!" are available on Amazon.com and elsewhere. A third album is in the works.
All Hail Bunjie!
--Rich Wilson, Death by Bunjie

[@one-eyedarcher]

Very good video Rich! You do a great job of explaining stuff so it makes sense. Agree with you on all points. 👍 Will be cool to see how you make out this season with the Scorpyd!

[@rickpasour565]

Hi Rich It's good seeing you back on making new videos again. All hail bungie !! Rick

[@Deathbybunjie]

tons of new ones, be sure to check them out lol

[@leveraction767]

Very happy to see you addressing the early videos. We are ALL learning all the time.We dont have the time in our life to see all that can occur. JMO .... What you said back then was truth to you and many. As time goes on.... we all learn and hopefully we pass that learning on.

[@leveraction767]

So here I am, at the end. This was an even better video! I dont know which (this week ) is better because hey have all been excellent. I mean EXCELLENT. Good going buddy! Keep that fire stoked!

[@Deathbybunjie]

i appreciate it--i know for sure not ALL your...flavor? but if they were all 100% your flavor, why would you watch it? LOL takes all kinds. thanks!

[@leveraction767]

Not my flavor? On the contrary! I love the discussion and have been involved in it for over 20 years. When I am not hunting, this is what I am focused on. I like hearing both sides and debating it. I think you would be a bit taken aback to know just how far into your lane I am, as far as finding things to agree with, as to what you are saying. I just dont go as far as you are suggesting and I go further than you in the direction where you also share some agreement. We are both traveling down the same road, just in to different lanes.

[@carlpowers6040]

I really enjoyed this fireside talk video. Hearing you repeat stories, reminds us of why you’ve gone of the path you have. There were definitely a few “oh yeah” points you made. Besides liking this video, I saved it to watch again. Thanks

[@Deathbybunjie]

Thank you, sir! Good luck out there.

[@johnk6264]

Just pulled your book off the book shelf and going to read it through again. Love the crossbow appreciation month

[@Deathbybunjie]

Great to hear thanks!

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

This is the kind of hype a 400 FPS compound will get! However you have to think at some point, there will be a speed that is fast enough where you won’t have to worry about a deer ducking the string at any ethical distance.

[@staytough]

Hey there, I found you on my TV and you were comparing crossbows as to what you liked and didn't. I have shot an old Jackal by Barnett. It shoots at 314FPS and I am dead on out to 40 yds. I shot a great buck at 47yrds and he jumped the string and I hit him in the shoulder, the bolt bounced off and I lost a great buck. So it was time to up grade, unlike yourself. I did not want a high priced over inflated big name bow. I did settle on the Bruin Ambush 410+ .... WOW this thing is amazing, and I was wondering why you did not test this crossbow. The thing that really sold me is that the bolt is in-cased within the crossbow instead of sticking way out and having it catch on things. Just wanted to say Hi from Northern Minnesota. Stay alive, stay safe and always ...STAYTOUGH (would like to hear back on your thoughts)

[@Deathbybunjie]

Sounds like a great crossbow and I hope it serves you well! No way I could look at ALL crossbows but I learned a lot looking at each manufacturer, for sure! Thanks for this and thanks for watching.

[@davebennet56]

Farthest I have killed a buck was at 41 yards with a crossbow. I had no issues whatsoever and I was using an old Parker bushwhacker (295 FPS). I have since upgraded to a Turbo GT. I had no issues, but the buck was not cautious either. If they are calm and their legs are not loaded you should be fine. That’s just my opinion, great video.

[@oldgrumpyhunter]

“Speed kills. You can't teach speed. Everything else in the game can be taught, but speed is a gift from God.” Raiders owner and GM Al Davis

[@Deathbybunjie]

kinda like height in the NBA lol

[@douglasborgaro6801]

When you discuss your evolution as a crossbow hunter, it occurs to me that my first crossbow was a Carbon Express, Intercept Supercoil. I really liked the bow. It was accurate and 360 fps. It did everything I asked of it. When I first purchased it, It wasn't the cheapest bow, but it was not a top tier crossbow of over $1000 plus dollars. I felt pretty smart thinking that I didn't have to pay the big bucks and could get just as much success. I harvested deer with that bow and I have good memories of that crossbow in general. As time passed, somehow I became interested in looking into a Ravin. When I got my hands on one, I was hooked soon after. I love my R10 and ate some serious crow after all my junk talk that everybody is loosing their minds paying so much for crossbows. There is a serious irony that now I have plans to get an R500! Lol! I will always keep my R10 and my son can use it also, but I sure was full of bologna! 😆 Guess we all must live and learn...

[@Deathbybunjie]

Indeed, open minds prevail in this world

[@leveraction767]

LOL! You dont have to justify replacing Bunjie! :D .... Its slow and it not as fun as fast. WE GET IT.. You re not wrong. Fast is just fun.

[@johnnottahcal5725]

I went the completely opposite direction. It seems so much more difficult to purchase supplies nowadays that I wanted my ol’ Excalibur back! Simple strings, fixed reuseable broadheads, ect. I feel like Fred Bear with a crossbow. 😊

[@jenniferrobinson5813]

Excellent video. Shows just how personal equipment selection and the hunting experience really is. For me, the common denominator for success is close shots. Doesn't seem to matter if I'm shooting traditional, compound, or crossbow. I'm a better than average shot, but unlike a target, deer move. Unfortunately, I've been burned one too many times trying to stretch out my hunting distances. Some guys have good success at longer ranges, and that's fine. Doesn't work for me but that absolutely does not mean it won't work for you. Looking forward to you whackin' and stackin' with Bungie III this year!

[@douglasborgaro6801]

I like to look upon crossbow performance as a balance of four factors, or a performance triangle. Accuracy at the top and balanced with speed, energy and mass.

[@Bowfella]

EXACTLY. I'm sick of dudes looking at my scorpyd like "You don't need speed in archery". Meanwhile I'm reliably killing mature bucks (without ever wounding any) above 60 yards every year and they're having one jump their string at 20 yards or wounding them every year. The scorpyd is so fast infact you don't get a single drop of blood on your arrow until after 30 yards because it passes through so fast.

[@tythomps]

No blood for the first 30 yds has way more to do with where you are hitting them, has nothing to do with the arrow speed. It's just biology.

[@Bowfella]

@@tythomps I'm talking about blood on the arrow not the blood trail. I understand the biology behind delayed or nonexistant blood trails. I've had high shots not have a single speck of blood in the snow, it was a miracle I ever found them. I've even had perfect low exiting shot through both lungs not produce any blood for over 100 yards because the doe had a lot of fat.

[@Bowfella]

@@tythomps Ah I see where you got confused now. I meant blood on the arrow unless I shoot the deer further than 30 yards where the arrow gets a chance to slow down.

[@tythomps]

@@Bowfella ok gotcha. I've seen you on crossbownation, you're a killer!

[@Bowfella]

@@tythomps Thanks! Always a pleasure to meet people from crossbownation haha!

[@CalvinsCorner72]

Great luck to you. I know you will be successful because you do your homework.

[@underdogoutdoors]

After a clean miss, and a high hit during a previous season, a buddy of mine who is extremely experienced pointed out to aim low in the boiler room. Crossbows are loud, most deer drop. Even a with a greased lightning fast crossbow, I'd still aim lower in the kill zone especially at further ranges. Great topic, endless opinions, lol.

[@Deathbybunjie]

endless indeed, more aiming videos coming this fall (i get requests each year for that LOL)

[@benrent6625]

Exactly

[@tythomps]

Exactly. I think OB's spine shot would not have happened with a slightly lower aim point. And would have still been a heart shot had she not dropped.

[@huntingupland]

Walking Dead hooked me on crossbows back in the day. Picked up a MISSION MXB-320. Not top of the line anymore but damn effective!

[@rayphillips4514]

Another great video Rich! Speed definitely kills or should I more correctly say..........accurate speed kills!

[@Deathbybunjie]

Indeed!

[@stanleyboc5776]

Have you considered switching broadheads? Single bevel cut on contact broad heads are a great plan B broadhead . They break through on all bones you’ll have a entry and exit hole and they leave a nasty wound Channel.

[@Deathbybunjie]

If I stayed with 300fps, I was looking in that direction, yes. But I have no interest in going back to fixed blades, really.

[@1GooseGarage]

@@Deathbybunjie GAAHHHHH, all this new found desire to evolve and grow... And still stubborn on the momentum killing flappers :) That's okay just more reason to follow along and see when that changes too, we all get stubborn on things.

[@stevenmichael558]

TRY THE HATSAN HARPOON ARROW LAUNCHER AT 580 FPS . ITS AN AIR RIFLE FOR ARROWS .

[@4897mike]

Great video . i agree with everything you said . you have to evolve with reality

[@leveraction767]

You are better off with faster at a longer distance for sure. I wouldn't argue that at all. Works against reaction time. Just not to the degree that most believe it is...on paper. The animals have more to say about it than the bow does. ;)

[@billgerard4687]

Compared to my recurve bows, 305 fps is blazing fast. I will stick with my axiom and keep my shots close

[@stevenhicks815]

My mag 340 I’m shooting 460 grains at about 307fps I don’t really shot past 30 yards though but use Tactacam have to see if any deer duck the string with it.

[@stevenhicks815]

How fast does your swat 1 shoot and what kind of grains are you shooting?

[@twooldguyswithcrossbows5170]

Enjoying! Keep up the good job 👍🏻

[@chrisruzsa2798]

Very good video once again.

[@ernestinedugaqua6152]

can you do a how to field dress a deer video?

[@Deathbybunjie]

Here's an old one I did, pretty much same today but we often do gutless method in woods, leave carcass and all in woods. But try this one out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nH_HloeYr7GIea8

[@ernestinedugaqua6152]

@@Deathbybunjie thank you for the fast response.

[@raymondcava4669]

Thank you for the video Rich, I like the idea of a faster Crossbow in order to put A heavier Broadhead loaded arrow on. For example 500 grain or so arrow shooting at 380 ft./s. This would give you the best of both worlds. This set up would be great for moose and big bears at 40 or 50 yards maximum preferably 35. Just my opinion, like my brother would say 100 good ways of doing things. Thanks again for the video.

[@Deathbybunjie]

I agree, I'll take heavier at 350+ over 250+- any day lol

[@gordmccoo5931]

I really like your channel and content. Your videos are well done. I shoot an exocit from the 90's chrono speeds 265 lol. Looking to up grade to a faster, newer mouse trap.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Mouse trap lol good luck

[@leveraction767]

The reason that he saw no difference (the kid) between 20 and 40 yards (or whatever he was yammering on about) was that he was using a sound switch which released the balloon at the sound of the bow. The sound of the bow isnt alerting anything at 40 yards. Get their attention? sure/maybe. His test (at that range was skewed due to the belief that the deer only react to the bow. Fred Bear spoke to the arrow as did Howard hill back before most bowhunters were born today. They all saw the arrow effect. This kid didnt allow for that and therefore... Everything he did past 26 was skewed to the negative. Barry and Gene Wensel have spent a good part of their life speaking to what this kid )and most) are just now starting to become aware of. Darn shame that the trad world and the modern archery world parted ways because the old wisdom has to be re=learned all over again at the expense of the newcomers. :( JMO... JME

[@Deathbybunjie]

even if it's the arrow, faster is better.

[@tythomps]

Original Bunjie isn't necessarily slow because it is old.... Bunjie was pretty slow when it was new, compared to other models Excalibur had available even back then.

[@matthewlyness8161]

I have a Matrix Grizzly 305 probably the same size as Bungie I've taken several animals with that crossbow you can't kill it. I have 6000 shots through mine I upgraded to a mag 340 and gave my grizzly 305 to my wife!!!

[@leveraction767]

You have a great bow. Know how to use it and its the best

[@matthewlyness8161]

Yes sir!!!

[@danshort10]

I’m trying to workout the concept and I guess I get it. But to me I go back to thinking ballistics…the .308 has more drop or arch to it than some other carts at longer ranges…but if you have good quality arrows(not a lot of deviation between them) and your drop is predictable and your zeros are on…unless you make huge miscalculations of distances your going to be fine

[@Deathbybunjie]

Play around with online calculators and it might surprise you, the difference in drop can be inches in 5 yards

[@jamestormeyjr5443]

I have a wicked ridge warrior ultra lite and I love that thing. It’s been accurate and I feel comfortable shooting a deer at 45 yards. But my son wants to get into hunting and using a crossbow which means I can start looking at upgrading.

[@jamestormeyjr5443]

I would like to stay with Ten Point or Wicked Ridge line or venture and see what the Ravins are like. May have to rewatch the videos of all the ones you tested and the pros and cons.

[@jheckert1]

@@jamestormeyjr5443 I have a ten point and two wicked ridge and love them. Even my ten point, its about the same age as bungie but only 280 FPS, i got 12 deer last 4 years with it...never had an issue except once i got lucky pushing a 45 yard shot...deer ducked and turned and i got it in the neck and dropped it, all luck of course...everything else didn't go far...i like the wicked ridge also...they are very good bows...i just ventured out to try a killer instinct...just to find out later they have limb cracking issues on their 415+ fps bows...i didn't crack one yet and some don't, but I'll find out eventually...they fix it if it does...

[@jamestormeyjr5443]

@@jheckert1 I’m looking at the R20 from Ravin, Siege RS410 from Ten Point or the NXT 400 from wicked ridge. My son shot my ultra lite and fell in love with it. So I’ll pass that down to him and I get to upgrade.

[@jheckert1]

@@jamestormeyjr5443 nice, good choices to choose from. Good luck.

[@douglasborgaro6801]

It is interesting that your beliefs have evolved and prompted by your experience with a more modern crossbow. We form our ideas based on the experiences we have but also the data that is available. Your initial position was not completely wrong. There are many firearm hunters that believe they need a magnum cartridge to hunt with. Some of them think that the power of a magnum will make up for poor shooting skills. In fact, the opposite is true. An applicable story is The guy that dumps a ton of money on a five day guided elk hunt. He takes time off work and away from his family, only to arrive and be stuck due to weather for the first 3 days. On day 4 he makes it out hunting, but no elk are around. On the last day he gets one opportunity on a good bull. The bull is at 375-400 yards out slowly making its way up the finger of the canyon. The bull is traveling away and the only shot is a rump shot. With the ole 30-06, your out of luck! With the .300 magnum, if you can place your shot, this cartridge fires out with significantly more authority to drive into the vitals and make a clean kill. .in this instance, it could be the difference between going home empty handed, or bringing home that great trophy. We can indirectly apply some of these concepts with crossbows. None of this is a panacea for poor marksmanship. If you can’t shoot accurately, it doesn’t matter how fast your bow drives the arrow.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Good points for sure, I think both positions have merit, key is deciding what's best for you

[@douglasborgaro6801]

True it is. Like you, crossbow hunting has opened many new doors for me. It is great to see the strides in technology and what is available to us.

[@gregundahood202]

I think I may of spoiled myself my first crossbow is my ravin 26 … I still might dig out my bear compound tho

[@maro0016]

Energy = mass * speed^2, as speed increases energy by square 2 it increases drastically energy… just a small correction …

[@maro0016]

@@Deathbybunjie sorry, that’s also not correct. 1/2 * mass * speed^2 is correct. See also en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

[@Deathbybunjie]

Kinetic energy is 1/2 mass * speed^2 but I think I was talking about momentum in this video, which is m * v (there's no squaring and there's no halving)

[@Bobb1julie]

I love this sport of Archery 🏹 and am trying to refrain from rambling on too much . What I would like to add here is that sound travels at 1125 FPS period. This is. Why the 🦌 deer are blessed with that instantaneous instinct to react so quickly… Know what is the min KE that is available for the kill and adjust your equipment accordingly,, Build your arrow accordingly ie are you in a tree or a still hunter. You’ll be shooting lighter faster arrows.. If your in a blind up to 30 yards go with heavier FOC ..Better penetration,, higher KE. Lastly ..My opinion only.. The broadhead.. I prefer two blade single bevel for internal rotation through bone or four blade steel one piece for a superior blood 🩸 trail .. Just my opinion Rich but it works..

[@Deathbybunjie]

Nothing wrong with that for sure!

[@moiaredhawk]

I shot my biggest buck with a Tenpoint xbow at 50 yards shooting 360 FPS...but I did have a semi alert doe duck at a 360 fps shot at only 40 yards and get stuck in the spine. Only speed could have cheated her a faster death. Now I have a Tenpoint Vengent S440 shooting the 445 Grain Evo X Center Punch arrow at 410 FPS with 166 Foot pounds of energy. Ive taken both a doe and a Super corn fed 4 1/2 years old buck with it. I can smell the hint of burning plastic nock when you pull the trigger. ITs smokin.....good luck watching the arrow fly, even with a lighted nock !!!

[@Deathbybunjie]

Love that smell lol good deal

[@thatotherguy338]

You want heavy cut on contact heads that are hand sharpened and stroped for a higher probability of a pass through. A great head to start with is the magnus stinger or buzzcut. Check out the Dr. Ed Ashby studies or @ranch fairy on KZbin. Trust me this also applies to crossbow hunting. My kills across the board have went up longbow and crossbow. Secondary if you have to have a mech looking head is the ramcat hydroshock are great.

[@Deathbybunjie]

i've watched tons of that stuff, don't disagree about that broadhead one bit, BUT i'm a mechanical guy--i do not tune stuff and i want a big 2" cut! but that's me...

[@stacygabbard90]

Do must crossbow bolt manufactor get their bolt weight with fieldpoint or without it. Gabby 1956.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Grst question...when they talk about 350 or 400 grains, etc., that's total weight including the field point or broadhead

[@stacygabbard90]

@@Deathbybunjie Thanks. Sometimes I get confused. I now know that my bolt weight is around about 425 plus the difference in the lighted knocks. I thought I would have a to heavy bolt over 525 gr.

[@leveraction767]

You speak to your 20 yard buck and here is what I am saying (and many old time bowhunters are saying) when we say close is better. If you are having deer moving the point of aim at 20 then you have to first stop that with either speed or simply getting closer. Speed is better. That said... before extending range, you have to beat what is already besting you. When you can eliminate that crouch, only then can you effectively extend range and then only to the degree that you have gained. 50fps equals 3 yards. Thats just the way it is. Step well out of the noise range (25 yards) and you can argue against bow noise BUT... as was seen in the 40 yard shot (and all over youtube) an icoming arrow makes a lot of noise. When you have noise addressing you, then we have to start all over again. 12 yards for noise from the bow or the arrow is confirmed. at what point does the speed aid most? Is it down range or close? Nobody has answered that question yet. There is a task for those willing to wound. Not worth it to me.

[@leveraction767]

HEY! I'm hunting this year at 254fps. What are you saying Buddy?! LOL!

[@Deathbybunjie]

shake my head lol

[@gunningforsurvival6568]

In the house 🏡

[@leveraction767]

You dont need to worry about flat. You have been doing pretty o.k. for how many years? Excuses Excuses.

[@paddleyourowncanoe926]

Where do you try and shoot your deer say if 30 yards in?

[@Deathbybunjie]

middle of the lungs, biggest target. i don't aim where i "expect" the deer to be, I aim where I want the arrow to go. That's me--and that's probably why i need a faster xbow! LOL i do have more aiming videos coming this fall most likely

[@timjohnson9230]

What do you do for storage during the off season? I used to hang mine by the stirrup, but the ravin doesn't have that. So I was looking for suggestions.

[@Deathbybunjie]

I leave dried off 100% in a case or just in my trophy room so I can use in videos lol

[@Bowfella]

I went the first 6 years of my hunting career with a 20+ year old 310fps excal paradox my dad still owns (and it still is good as new). It's infact the ONLY compound excal ever made lol. Just because we say a faster crossbow is much better doesn't mean we don't appreciate the slower ones and know they have a place.

[@Deathbybunjie]

Indeed!

[@leveraction767]

There is no Ravin at 500.

[@Deathbybunjie]

indeed!

[@leveraction767]

I do understand (when hunting a blind) the limitations of getting close. While I shot a deer out of a blind (last year) at 8 yards...It's not an every time thing. You really do have to work for it.

[@Deathbybunjie]

i also think older deer (the big bucks i'm after LOL) are the most wary of blinds, same as they're wary of...well, everything else.

[@markillingworth1929]

G'day from Australia mate, been watching your videos on and off for a while, I have a PSE coalition, 380fps ke 127 lb. So far so good targeting feed bags at 40 yards, darn accurate if I say so myself. Yet to try it out on local goats and wondering what happens if I hit a rib for example will the arrow skip around it or is it likely to just bust the arrow and the rib? Thanks in advance. Mark.

[@charlessherman7335]

Most likely it will punch right through. I've had a bolt go right through both shoulder blades(on the flat part not on the ridge) and ribs. If it does deflect some hopefully still hits both lungs. That's if you stick to broadside or quartering away shots.

[@markillingworth1929]

@@charlessherman7335 thanks

[@Deathbybunjie]

With a proper broadhead it goes right through...I've cut rib after rib after rib no problem with a way slower xbow. You can use xbow there???

[@markillingworth1929]

@@Deathbybunjie don't know what that is mate. The heads I have are like a cone shaped cheese grater and would make a hole about the size of a for finger 10-12ml

[@Deathbybunjie]

@@markillingworth1929 xbow = crossbow abbreviation, sorry, but you can hunt with crossbows there?

[@DanielGarcia-zw8nx]

👍

[@jonbaniak9097]

Is there any reason you went with the slowest crossbow offer by Scorpyd? I know you got the Deathstalker free but if you bought one yourself would it have been your choice of crossbows from Scorpyd?

[@ChrisRobinson-fz3oc]

380 is the slowest and he has a 420.

[@Deathbybunjie]

they make a few slower--light versions. the 420 is a time-tested one though and it's 100% my pick. maybe a 480 in a few years? LOL

[@jonbaniak9097]

@@ChrisRobinson-fz3oc yes but the Deathstalker is the slowest model in their lineup.

[@leveraction767]

As Rich has said (many times) the bow has to have it all. I believe he said in a past video that speed isn't the only factor he was looking at. The 480 is a much bigger bow physically and also a heavier draw weight. For the choices offered at the time, the 420 was the only logical choice.

[@marketshare5273]

You’re making way too much sense counselor now if we can just get Raven to show up for work and get their cross bows out Life would be good. 👊👍😎

[@Deathbybunjie]

We shall see, watching the ravin closely!

[@Polymerbob]

Turn away from the Dark Side of the Force. Bro, you've been hunting with Bungie for over a decade. You just found out now that deer jump the string?

[@leveraction767]

You still hit that deer high with the faster crossbow. The entry looked like you were shooting out of a tree stand. Thats maybe the highest kill shot I have ever seen and I wouldn't bet on that outcome over and over. You took a bow spec'd at 50fps over bunjie and added 10 yards to your limit (with bunjie) and got the same outcome. Doegirl and I watched that video maybe a dozen times, holding markers on the screen and that Doe ducked solidly starting at about 12 yards from impact. She either saw the arrow coming (she was looking at you) or heard it. Whatever the case, the speed meant nothing when distance was increased. same results. Had you been at 30, likely the hit would have been technically better. Just an FYI. I know you mull these things over and are a very moral guy in the field. So I say all this with the hopes that you will sit back, investigate what I say here and moved forward. Just not 10 yards forward. LOL Get a 480 and fine.... 10 yards. Wanna trade out?

[@Deathbybunjie]

there's no way to tell from that doe video where or when that deer ducked...it was about 3 mins before end of legal shooting light, and filmed with a non zoomable f1.8 lens at 50mm. the deer is smaller than the lumenock in that video and the footage is blurry. I was aiming mid lungs and the shot appears to be 3 inches higher than that--totally consistent with her jumping the string, but you can't tell one way or another by the video. for all we know, i shot high. but i was 100% comfortable with that shot then, and remain so today. Alert deer looking at me? Not so much. ;)

[@leveraction767]

Its my belief that aiming for the heart would do more to end high hits than anything else. Providing distance is kept within reason. Also, the heart gives the shooter a very small target, which feeds into the aim small miss small theory