DEBATE: Is Islam True? |

[@ModernDayDebate]

WOAW. This debate is already uploaded to the podcast too!

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@Mohamed58290]

@@smtouheed3863 they should agree to debate here even though i disagree with Islam i love to hear what everyone has to say hopefully they will do a debate here in the future

[@issakabeer1535]

@@smtouheed3863 I am curious what do you think would happen if those folks debated?

[@PaxMundi118]

Issa's on his way out of the cult

[@lunafencoven]

What Issa did to Muslim Apologist on this debate will be among the Top 10 Anime Betreyals forever.

[@npill2403]

I dont think muslim apologist understood it. It looks like he didnt understand that issa disagrees with him.

[@Aishas_Goat]

1:50:03 Muslim wins 🏆 by forgetting: Bible is the standard by with we are to check Koran not vice versa, according to: Koran 10:94 alla is speaking to Mut'ahmmad "If you're in doubt of what WE are speaking to you, go to the 'People of the Book' to confirm what we're spouting" so,... it's the 'children of God' who are to make sure the queer (an) is true Reply_

[@landsgevaer]

​@@Aishas_Goat But the Book of final revellation says: "Trust neither the Bible nor the Quran. Trust only the Book of final revellation, for it says that it is true and sufficient."

[@00carl46]

Need more of the Chef Logic and Ap duo.

[@Ex-MuslimTestimonies]

August was bad for Islam, September isn’t going to be better….😂😂😂

[@TheMuslimApologist]

Talk to the hand, Riaz.

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

​​​@@TheMuslimApologistI pray that Jesus heals you. What was on your computer when it was confiscated by the authorities?

[@Tearsofsoil]

And they will lose their nuts in November 😂😂

[@gwanael34]

@@YeshuaIsLord7777 The best part is you are both fking insane enough to believe in magic and you dare pretend you are better. You are just as bad for believing in any religion dude.

[@HH-xw4hr]

@@TheMuslimApologist Hey do you also take historical dramas, as sources when you learn Islame? 😅

[@Ex-MuslimTestimonies]

The internet is the worst thing that happend to Islam…

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

Your channel is wonderful. People should subscribe if they haven't

[@TheMuslimApologist]

Silly channel

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

​@@TheMuslimApologist what was on your computer when it was confiscated? You religion is a disgrace and indefensible. I pray that you find Christ.

[@TH3-MONK]

Islam is the worst thing to happen to Islam.

[@sixfiftyfive2386]

@@Ex-MuslimTestimonies cuz it's not truuuue

[@allgreatnike1009]

The amount of L's Islam is taking currently is impressive.

[@NatsukiTakama]

They have even entered here in Japan as well.

[@gre8]

These debates should be translated to Arabic and spread all over the middle east.

[@ConstantineSpyro]

It’s impressive how they can ignore it, and for some reason act like the opposite is happening.

[@HypostaticU]

21st CE Muslims now know how the 7th CE ummah coped

[@richard_from_england333]

@@NatsukiTakama Welcome to the party.. Have a good time

[@HypostaticU]

AP and Avery dominated. Easy W.

[@Aishas_Goat]

1:35:45 Muslims win 🏆 by inventing: Epsom salts, or magnesium sulfate, became popular in the 17th century when they were discovered in the town of Epsom, Surrey, England. The story goes that a farmer named Henry Wicker found that water from a spring on his land had unique properties. The water, rich in magnesium sulfate, was bitter to taste but seemed to have healing qualities. Epsom salt baths became widely popular after this discovery, especially for their ability to treat ailments like skin irritations, muscle aches, and digestive issues. Epsom salts were promoted for their medicinal uses, and the town of Epsom became known as a spa destination, attracting people seeking the benefits of bathing in its mineral-rich waters. Though no single individual is credited with "inventing" the use of Epsom salts for bathing, it was the discovery of the spring's properties and the subsequent marketing of the salts that led to their popularity.

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

​@@Aishas_Goat😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@TingTong2568]

@@smtouheed3863 all listed above will be destroyed by CP, Rob Christian, Sam Shamoun and God Logic

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

@@smtouheed3863.....????? Are you o k??

[@RJO16]

Chat GPT couldn't save Islam in this debate.

[@Manamal-uu8dy]

Neither could prophet Google!!!😂

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@RJO16]

@@smtouheed3863 not sure what to do with the information? Non of the listed I've seen impressed me.

[@smtouheed3863]

@@RJO16 You've read it. That's sufficient.

[@RJO16]

@@smtouheed3863 thanks for the info, I guess. Praise God that the truth will prevail.

[@Seraph_888]

Issa completely checked out 😂

[@Hbmd3E]

haha I googled Checked out _“Checked out,” when used in that context, means: physically present, but emotionally or mentally not fully present. You're there, but your mind is elsewhere and you're thinking about other things and not putting your full attention on your task or situation._

[@derekdiggler5995]

Is it me or does Issa seem to be too smart to be a muslim?

[@Facts13404]

Ur right 👍🏻

[@danyboon4851]

He is not exactly Muslim, he is some from some sort of Sufism, but not as defined as usual Islam

[@joerdim]

Might be an inside man. He is jewish by ancestry.

[@christophe2570]

They buried them, revived them, and buried them again. All whiles Issa was so over cooked he couldn't speak.

[@kakhakheviashvili6365]

Issa shouldn't do duo debates, since his view is completely contradictory to what 99% of dawagandists believe. Even in solo debates he's kinda infuriating with his "i dunno, man, truth is multitude of things, and i'm not sure which view isn't true". So every time you press him on a topic he weasels out with "yea, bro, maybe, i'm not sure, it's all just my views and interpretations". BTW, nothing personal against him, he seems like a nice dude and it would be a blast to hang out with him. He seems pretty chill guy who'd hear you out and maybe even give you good practical advice. But as a debater nah, he ain't good.

[@issakabeer1535]

​@@kakhakheviashvili6365 Thanks for the feedback, I can see how my style might come off as frustrating in a debate setting. I tend to approach topics with a lot of curiosity and leave room for multiple interpretations, which can be a bit unconventional in debates. I’m always looking for ways to grow, so I’ll definitely think about how I can adapt my style in those spaces. At the end of the day, my goal is to have meaningful discussions and find truth, even if it means embracing some uncertainty along the way

[@issakabeer1535]

I was actually using a strategy that focused on a more nuanced approach. For me, speaking just for the sake of it doesn’t necessarily show strength. Sometimes it's more about waiting for the right moment to contribute something meaningful. I know it’s not everyone's style, but I believe in thoughtful engagement over quick reactions.

[@dark7element]

You can see Issa's soul trying to escape from his body when Muslim Apologist started talking about child marriage.

[@BT2XX]

@@dark7element omg the poor guy hahaha this is my first time seeing him, I’m an AP follower. His smiles and giggles were so precious. I hope he experiences freedom from Islam lol

[@WillboeBagins]

Transtript of opening statement from AP and Godlogic: Apostate Prophet’s Opening Statement: I will focus on five main points in my opening statement, after which I will pass it to GodLogic. 1. The Quran is Wrong About the Kaaba: The Quran claims that the Kaaba is the house of Allah, built by Abraham, and that Abraham called people to worship it (Quran 2:127; 22:26-27). However, this claim is completely unknown to Jews and Christians. Islam has no connection to the Abrahamic tradition or the biblical tradition; it only claims to have one. 2. The Quran Confuses Biblical Figures: In Quran 19:28 and 3:35, the Quran refers to Mary, the mother of Jesus, as the "sister of Aaron" and the "daughter of Imran." This confusion stems from a mix-up between Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron, who lived over a thousand years earlier. The Quran demonstrates a lack of understanding of biblical history and figures. 3. The Quran's Ignorance About Jewish Beliefs: In Quran 9:30, the Quran falsely claims that Jews say "Ezra is the son of Allah." There is no evidence that Jews ever held such a belief. This is an example of peak ignorance and a major error that reveals the Quran's lack of divine knowledge. If the Quran claims to be the word of Allah and makes such mistakes, then it cannot be divine. 4. Misunderstanding the Trinity: In Quran 5:116, Allah asks Jesus if he told people to take him and his mother as gods beside Allah. This presents a clear misunderstanding of Christian doctrine. The Trinity in Christianity refers to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not Mary. The Quran’s misrepresentation of this concept shows it has no connection to actual Christian beliefs. 5. The Quran’s Logical Contradictions: In Quran 3:55, Allah promises that those who follow Jesus will be superior until the Day of Judgment. However, the earliest followers of Jesus believed in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not the Islamic version of Jesus. Therefore, the Quran unwittingly supports those who hold the Trinitarian Christian belief, which it elsewhere condemns as false. GodLogic’s Opening Statement: Thank you, AP. Carrying on from your points, I want to highlight further inconsistencies within Islam and the Quran. Specifically, I’ll address how the Quran affirms yet contradicts previous scriptures. 1. The Islamic Dilemma of Quran 3:55: In Quran 3:55, Allah promises to make the followers of Jesus superior over disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. But, as AP noted, the followers of Jesus from the beginning were Christians who believed in the Trinity-the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If Allah is referring to these Christians, then he is elevating people who hold a belief that the Quran condemns as false. If Islam were true, Allah would not have allowed Trinitarian Christians to become dominant. 2. The Quran Affirms the Torah and Gospel, Yet Contradicts Them: The Quran (5:43-48) affirms the Torah and Gospel as true, preserved scriptures that Jews and Christians should judge by. However, when we look at the scriptures that the Quran affirms, they contradict core Islamic teachings. The Torah and the Gospel speak of the divinity of Jesus, his crucifixion, and the Trinity-doctrines that Islam rejects. Therefore, Islam cannot be true because it simultaneously affirms and contradicts these scriptures. 3. False Claims About Jesus in the Quran: The Quran claims in 61:6 that Jesus predicted the coming of Muhammad, saying a messenger named Ahmad would come after him. There is no record of Jesus ever making such a statement in any historical text. This is another false claim that undermines the Quran’s reliability. 4. Quranic Challenges Fail: The Quran challenges people to produce something like it (2:23; 10:38), claiming it cannot be replicated. However, Umar, a companion of Muhammad, is said to have suggested verses that were later included in the Quran (Sahih Bukhari 402). This shows that human beings, like Umar, could produce verses equal to those in the Quran, further disproving its claim of inimitability. In conclusion, the Quran fails on multiple fronts, both in terms of internal consistency and in relation to external texts like the Bible. It is riddled with contradictions and errors that make it impossible to be a divinely revealed text.

[@ceeez3072]

❤

[@3JS2001]

@@WillboeBagins thanks for taking the time to write this up

[@WillboeBagins]

​@@3JS2001 thanks to Yt transsript and chatGPT 😂😂😂

[@WillboeBagins]

Here it is in premis style: . 1. THE QURAN IS WRONG ABOUT THE KAABA: The Quran claims that Abraham built the Kaaba and called people to worship it (Quran 2:127; 22:26-27). There is no historical or religious evidence in Jewish or Christian traditions that supports this claim. This shows that Islam’s attempt to connect itself with the Abrahamic traditions is historically flawed. 2. THE QURAN CONFUSES BIBLICAL FIGURES: The Quran refers to Mary, the mother of Jesus, as the "sister of Aaron" and "daughter of Imran" (Quran 19:28; 3:35). This confusion arises from a mix-up with Miriam, the sister of Moses, indicating a misunderstanding of biblical history. A divine revelation should not confuse such basic historical details. 3. THE QURAN’S IGNORANCE ABOUT JEWISH BELIEFS: The Quran claims that Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah" (Quran 9:30). There is no historical evidence that Jews have ever made such a claim. This demonstrates a significant error in the Quran, undermining its credibility as divine revelation. 4. MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE TRINITY: The Quran accuses Christians of taking Jesus and Mary as gods alongside Allah (Quran 5:116). This is a misrepresentation of the Christian Trinity, which involves the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not Mary. A divine text should correctly represent the beliefs it critiques, which the Quran fails to do. 5. THE QURAN’S LOGICAL CONTRADICTIONS: The Quran 3:55 states that the followers of Jesus will be superior until the Day of Judgment. The earliest followers of Jesus were Christians who believed in the Trinity, not the Islamic version of Jesus. This creates a contradiction, as the Quran both supports and condemns Trinitarian Christians. 6. THE ISLAMIC DILEMMA IN QURAN 3:55: The Quran 3:55 promises that the followers of Jesus will be superior until the Day of Judgment. The followers of Jesus from the earliest times were Christians who believed in the Trinity. This suggests that Allah’s support extends to Trinitarian Christians, which contradicts Islamic doctrine. 7. THE QURAN AFFIRMS BUT CONTRADICTS THE TORAH AND GOSPEL: The Quran affirms the Torah and the Gospel as divine and true (Quran 5:43-48). However, these texts contradict Islamic teachings by affirming Jesus’ divinity, crucifixion, and the Trinity. Islam’s simultaneous affirmation and contradiction of these texts undermines its claim to be a continuation of earlier scriptures. 8. FALSE PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS IN THE QURAN: The Quran claims that Jesus foretold the coming of Muhammad and used the name “Ahmad” (Quran 61:6). There are no historical records showing that Jesus ever made such a prophecy. This false claim undermines the Quran’s credibility as a reliable revelation. 9. THE QURAN’S CHALLENGE OF INIMITABILITY FAILS: The Quran challenges people to produce something like it and claims it is impossible (Quran 2:23; 10:38). Umar, one of Muhammad’s companions, is said to have suggested verses that were later included in the Quran. This suggests that humans were able to match the Quran’s style, which contradicts the claim of inimitability

[@PaxMundi118]

Great!

[@thenun1846]

Ok that was brutal. You can't spell Islam without a big fat L

[@irritatingtruth9121]

Agreed. I’ll start calling it, Islie. Broken, but still recognizable.

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@Furinkazan541]

​@@smtouheed3863If you think Sam Dawah is a good debater, you just proved that Islam is a grift

[@thenun1846]

@@smtouheed3863 most of those dudes have been embaressed by Christians, ex Muslims and athiests😂 Out of 2 billion people, this is the best you have to offer🤡

[@smtouheed3863]

@@Furinkazan541 actually You proved your stupidity. Sam Dawah is not just one person it's a team of many Muslim Scholars. It's a KZbin channel. You can search it.

[@Theos_thinker]

Q: “Do you really know the Bible well?” A: “Yes, I’ve read the gospel of Thomas; it’s another gospel” 🤦

[@TheMuslimApologist]

I didn't say this. So you have to lie like Paul, huh?

[@Theos_thinker]

@@TheMuslimApologist, correct, you did not say this word for word; I was obviously paraphrasing. However, what I wrote was essentially what you said. There’s no denying that. - Must you be illiterate like Mohammad?

[@Nick_Lamb]

​@TheMuslimApologist He didn't actually claim you said that. You did just claim Paul was a liar, though. Why do you say Paul is a liar?

[@ConstantineSpyro]

@@TheMuslimApologist PAUL?!😂 & you know you lost the debate when you’re arguing with the audience 😂 or, are you only here because you’re now a reject of your community for being an embarrassment

[@Sousabird]

@@TheMuslimApologist Surah 3:55 "[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ." Maybe you shouldn't call Paul a liar when your god says that he has been made superior until the day of resurrection. Or just admit that your god and prophet were either ignorant or liars.

[@dimitrimolotovvyacheslav4604]

How the hell did the Christian-Agnostic duo agreed more than the Muslim-Muslim duo?

[@The_Buff_Guy]

Because Issa is smart. Smarter than Christian’s, and seemingly ALL Muslims. I’m surprised someone with a brain like his is religious at all.

[@DJRoll15]

I honestly don’t think Menj knew who his debate partner was. I’m also surprised Issa partnered up with Menj as well.

[@Convertier]

Smart muslim = ex muslim

[@dracom8987]

I pray that Issa comes to Jesus Christ ❤❤❤

[@edge-rps]

He is a good man

[@HarpreetSingh-kj8ro]

​@edge-rps it's weird a good guy like Issa belongs as the same religion as Menj, Ali Dawah and Hikachu. However, Issa is a Sufi and Daniel and Menj are Salafis.

[@ceeez3072]

@@HarpreetSingh-kj8ro ahhhh he’s a Sufi… this all makes sense now. They are more like Christians than Muslims.

[@yourguard4]

Logic&Reasoning > Jesus

[@davidlan12]

When will Issa become Ex-Muslim?!

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@dbyspae122]

​@smtouheed3863 look at what sam shamoun did to daniel💀

[@ABY4JC92]

The fact that we have an Agnostic who in the defence of the christian Gospel, accurately presents the Christian concept of the triune God, has to be my favourite thing about the internet these days. Praise the Lord Jesus. AP you are awesome and I pray God brings you into the fold real soon.

[@Furinkazan541]

Thus proving that the Muslim line that the Trinity is too hard to understand refuted

[@ABY4JC92]

@@Furinkazan541 exactly. That's just some extra sugary icing on Islam's "farewell" cake 🎂 bye bye Al ISLAM!

[@2mexpesos]

Exactly my thoughts 😊❤✝️

[@seismicwhale5371]

One cult thinking theyre better than another cult is laughable. Many of us grow up christian and then we learn how reality works and how all these fables were literally made up as people went along. Amazing how every religious person thinks theres not a single fallacy in their magic books. And theyl die on that hill before admitting it. Thats one of the biggest turnoffs. Not a shred of humility or objective reasoning. Exposing islam isnt siding with christians. Dont get it twisted bud.

[@ABY4JC92]

@seismicwhale5371 Chill out my friend. You grew up as a "Christian", right? Did you manage to read through the Bible to come to an actual informed decision? Or did you come to a conclusion based on some other persons opinion? Because the Bible does not make the claims the Quran does, and works within a specific hermeneutical structure. I've resd through the quran, hadiths, etc, and the objective chasm in logic between the quran and Bible is significant. Don't get it twisted, bud.

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

Issa come to Christ. My brother called it perfectly when he said you looked lost. Your silence and refusal to defend the crimes of your prophet against children, spoke louder than any words. You are being forced to defend and apologise for the indefensible.

[@leluyaa]

May the True God grant him repentance. One moment in His presence can change everything, it did so in my life. Let´s also keep praying for AP 🙏🏼

[@leamael00]

Let's not groom that poor guy into an other cult.

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

​@leamael00 Cult? Do you mean atheism? That's what we are trying to avoid by bringing him to Christ. I'll pray for you too. May God bless you

[@EOmaskq]

@@leamael00 Calm down little bro. The groomers are Atheist women teachers these days. Gotta start reading more! I thought your whole schtick was pretending to be smart and saying I don't know to everything.

[@leamael00]

@@YeshuaIsLord7777 May the holy unicorn bring light into your life.

[@Massiah82]

AP has now surpassed me as a Christian… he is now more knowledgable and a better defender of Christianity than I am. He has become an absolute beast in debates… Dawah boys be running away from him instead of trying to ambush him these days. Every time I’ve seen Assa I just think he’s just way too nice to be a Muslim.

[@nadirahmed4224]

But the Christian apologists run away from the hard topics like slave beating, scientific errors in the Bible, Is the Bible a religion of peace, is Christianity true, only Muslims are honest enough to debate this.

[@Furinkazan541]

​@@nadirahmed4224Wait, the Bible is the religion of peace?? The Bible isn't a religion. And we don't make the same claims about our book that you do.

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@MightGuy15]

Yep all that's left is for him to leave behind Christianity too

[@ceeez3072]

@@smtouheed3863 and yet Mohammed Hijab won’t debate Sam Shamoun. If your top guy won’t do it, that’s really all you need to know

[@techknow9237]

- Withiut Lies Islam Dies -

[@EnejMichel19]

I'm not a Muslim, but i felt so bad for Issa the whole debate...

[@HH-xw4hr]

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES

[@Abraham-bs6bo]

And even with lies it dies too

[@HH-xw4hr]

@@Abraham-bs6bo Amen ✝️ TRUTH will conquer Lies🙏

[@WithoutLiesIslamDies-]

@@HH-xw4hr ❤️

[@aalileghari6195]

​@@HH-xw4hrthat's why ppl convert to Islam? Think about why that's true.

[@aalileghari6195]

​@@Abraham-bs6bothat's why ppl convert to Islam more than any other religion? Think about that one.

[@Ashantia35]

I was just here to watch Issa’s facial expressions

[@stevelinley1073]

He's so desperately looking for the escape hatch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@6igPP]

Didn’t the police discover child corn on MENJ’s pc? I wouldn’t even debate that guy 🤮

[@blottedcenter4348]

Did they really? Why is no one talking about that ?

[@Mateo09ist]

I feel bad for Issa, he seemed like he was done with the debate soon as Muslim Apologist speaks. He seems like a genuine guy, I wish he spoke up more than the Muslim Apologist saying his best rebuttal “Google it”.

[@TheMuslimApologist]

That was not my argument.

[@ceeez3072]

@@TheMuslimApologist please watch the debate. All you did is deflect and deny. You didn’t address any of the points about Mecca and Abraham, the mix up of the Miriam’s, the Quranic dilemma, adult breastfeeding. You were incorrect in your understanding of the councils; just because there was a council to discuss and codify it doesn’t mean the belief wasn’t already there. If you can’t see your own bias, that is your problem. After all Muslims are so wise in their own eyes. The Bible says about you: “do you see a man that is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him” proverbs 26:12

[@Kveldred]

I don't think Issa has any actual opinions or convictions on anything, so you can't blame TMA for that lol. At least, the other team tried to get at least a single firm claim out of him all debate and couldn't-couldn't even pin him down when repeating what he said the minute before back to him. "Welllll... I wouldn't say _that..."_ Don't know how you guys are so easily led lol

[@Mateo09ist]

@@Kveldred I men sure, not totally blaming TMA for Issa not really have convictions on anything. Issa has kind of pointed out that everyone has their journey basically. In the beginning of the debate they don’t really agree on things as pointed out. So yeah not sure how that goes to being easily led? 😂

[@TestifyApologetics]

Bruh what is Issa doing here lol

[@Kveldred]

Giving non-answers and wiggling out from any substantive debate by pretending to be too sophisticated for notions such as "truth" 👍 ...sorry Issa buddy it's a pet peeve of mine but really you're already mostly

[@andrewhambling]

Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 I think AP's cricket was the true winner of this debate chiming in exactly when needed.

[@rkinczel]

Greetings from Narre Warren south lol

[@2mexpesos]

1:18:05 perfect timing 😂

[@SeabraPaulo]

Absolute wash. One guy don't believe in truth and gives a high school presentation on intro to epistemology. The other doesn't recommend marrying children because it goes against governments and whatnot. What a time to be alive.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

The guy who gave the introduction said that Islam has cross cultural and universal applicability and then the next guy says bedding minors is not a thing that applies today 😂 L for the pdf followers.

[@Kulharg]

Respectfully, TheMuslimApologist was extremely hard to understand. With that in mind, I do not think their argument for Islam being true was coherent/convincing. Good job AP & GLA. EDIT: I thought this debate was better than most Islam debate's I've watched. Well done as well to the Muslim corner of this debate. Although unconvinced, I appreciate the debate all together.

[@Furinkazan541]

MENJs entire argument was, "Whatabout Christianity?"

[@TH3-MONK]

It's the same thing every time. Debate topic: Is Islam true? Muslim: Here's why I like Islam

[@87asquared]

Then critiques the Bible, as if Christianity being false makes Islam true, Islam needs to stop comparing itself to Christianity, come to terms with what is in it scriptures and move on otherwise Christians will keep bring it up and they will always get stuck on it.

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

Or better yet, "here is why Christianity is false". HOW DOES THAT MAKE ISLAM TRUE!?!??!

[@fearlesswee5036]

I think it tends to be more like: Debate topic: Is Islam true? Muslims: "Google it bro, I can't defend this crap myself!"

[@samuelTawid3936]

Is Islam true? Muslim : Megatron transformation of Bible corruption

[@BitMan1010]

malaysian guy allegedly caught watching momo-aisha content, Wheres the news letter?

[@sibittbadas]

i want the sources too bro ! pls share with me if available!

[@Ameydusa1]

The Issa guy seems like a social justice warrior who thinks all religions lead to the truth

[@raphaelfeneje486]

Sounds like the pope 💀

[@lunafencoven]

I like Issa, but yeah, he's as woke as it goes. But he doesn't go around yelling at people 'Racist, sexist, homophobe.' He's more of an old-school hippy-dippy guy.

[@HypostaticU]

@@lunafencoven yeah he seems like a classical liberal

[@lunafencoven]

@@HypostaticU Not accusatory or judgemental is what I am saying.

[@Ameydusa1]

@@lunafencoven the problem is that truth isn’t always about being “nice” and accepting. If it is true that your eternal soul is at stake, being accepting of all things for the sake of keeping peace is selfish and stupid

[@DydyRouge]

So basically Islam is: 1- pick and choose what you want to be true in the gospel et the Torah. 2- when something in your OWN haddith is embarrassing just say it’s daif or false. 3-Making fun of Christians for believing that Jesus is God and ignore the massive speck in your eye 😓

[@prayerforceone]

I’m not even a Muslim, but I have third hand embarrassment for them.

[@skyscraperphilosopher8476]

Islam is facing a tsunami of apostasy. More will come! Awesome to see AP and God Logic together like this

[@sm2z24]

I wonder why Issa still defends Islam along with this guys when he along with the non-muslims would be executed for Innovation in an Islamic state.

[@cogit0ergo705]

He is trying to salvage the un-salvageable. Islam is their identity - deliberately made so. It claims to make them "superior" instantly on believing it. It ties them up in a web of family threats, societal threats, and legal threats if they are in a Muhammadan country. Only the strong-willed can break away.

[@eeeqqq7582]

Before leaving Islam, I thought twice and thrice about the four wives option.😅

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@eeeqqq7582 - That would also leave you with 4 mother-in-laws.... 😀LOL!!!

[@eeeqqq7582]

@@cogit0ergo705 no problem if they are far away enough 🙈

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@eeeqqq7582 - One or more of them may just move in with you. 😀

[@Petroupas]

Another colosal L for the Mutah boiz

[@Aishas_Goat]

1:36:31 Muslims win 🏆 claim that ERASURES are problematic. How many tapings, erasures, insertions were recent additions to all Koran manuscripts (that survived annual Quran burning day) - Daniel Brubaker, Corrections in Early Quran manuscripts. & The Sanaa Palimpest by Asma Hilali Only 44 chapters exist and those only match 2% to 1985 Hafs; used by 96% of Muslims today

[@truthiseternalheisjesus9156]

Islam is the only religion that has Takiya in it.

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@TingTong2568]

@@smtouheed3863 all listed above will be destroyed by CP, Rob Christian, Sam Shamoun and GodLogic

[@christophe2570]

The Issa guy, what was his purpose? He doesn't want to take a position or speak.

[@houstoneuler]

35:51 The debate is over at this point, and the moderator needs to step in at 38:15 to prevent two hours of dead air.

[@JosephChreian777]

Man This is islam? 🫣

[@lunafencoven]

No, it's a debate on KZbin.

[@blottedcenter4348]

No it's worse then it looks like here this is only the surface 😂

[@JP-mq4zc]

Unequal opponents. AP and GL had an easy walk over!

[@hannielkouassi7481]

1:03:21 Issa was about to crash out LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Siah999]

When MENJ got caught by the police on child porn, he might be argue "your charge are symantic. They are nisa, not child" 😂😂😂😂

[@TheMuslimApologist]

Repeat your lie again, and I will get my lawyers to sue you for libel.

[@rkinczel]

​@@TheMuslimApologistdude you said you don't see an issue with child marriage if it's not against the law 👀

[@slickepinne]

@@TheMuslimApologist but they did arrest you for that. Ive seen the video from police cam.

[@OWSEWEAR]

Muslim Apoligist is so close to the screen he's invading our personal space through the internet. quite impressive

[@t.l.6219]

I like the way Godlogic and AP did not interfere during the Q and A; and just allowed the Muslims to squam.

[@lobstergod6866]

Bro Issa's face at 1:39:26 when AP says "you should read them" is classic

[@The_Crab_Whisperer]

Issa is wonderful. A true Islamic agnostic. Massive respect to the guy for just being honest to his own position and not towing the tedious dawah line that we're used to. Great to see.

[@GloryTheMan000]

Dam the Opening Statements of AP and GL barbeque Smoked the whole Debate 😂

[@zhivkok.8336]

This Issa guy said the same thing several times through the debate. 😵‍💫 Another bad day for Islam. 😅

[@CCC-V3]

Issa is too honest to be debating in favour of religion, 37:00 that was funny.

[@BushidoNinja]

Aah yes, Metatron, friend of Megatron.

[@BT2XX]

I had to Google it I’ve neverrrr heard of this… lol but even Google said metatron isn’t found in Hebrew Bible, is Talmudic but is thought of as an archangel… 👀

[@NateMP]

How did I not hear about this?? Before even listening I already know the outcome but the team of AP and Avery is absolutely epic and a must watch! Thanks MDD for setting this up!

[@blottedcenter4348]

We all did 😂

[@catmere591mere7]

Muslim team answered 0 questions directly. So glad for this stuff to now be flooding yt

[@TheProblematic1]

Menj Bin Google is a walking Meme

[@efromora42]

Who put these two muslims together?

[@its-amestarlord]

Allah

[@GloryTheMan000]

Terrible idea 😂

[@kaypdlaw461]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂lmao

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@kaypdlaw461]

It was a creed from Allah

[@ayoTUBBZ1]

So tell us Mr. Host what exactly were you thinking +18:51 when you seemed be holding your laugh in? 😂😂😂

[@ceeez3072]

22 minutes in and wow AP brought up some good points

[@ben0298]

I think Allah is getting baptised after this debate

[@wendimtakelku2087]

If we find him 😀

[@twodoorknob]

Bro lmao

[@mrsTreadnaught]

😂

[@mohammada3116]

Idiot doesn’t know what Allah means. Absolute moron you are

[@paulnyakxx]

😂😂😂Issa was terribly embarrassed on behalf of his huge failure

[@CH-ud4ee]

Issa answer to every question was I don't think that's the only way to interpret the verse.

[@Aishas_Goat]

@@CH-ud4eeIssa also uses “only allah know” as his best argument and evidence

[@XILikeTrainsX]

​@@Aishas_Goatcomes to a debate and essentially says "I don't know".

[@smtouheed3863]

*List of Top Muslim Debaters:* Muhammad Hijab 🗿Subboor Ahmad 🗿 Hamzah Andreas Tzortzis 🗿 Abdullah Al Andulusi 🗿 Dawah Wise 🗿 Daniel Haqiqatjou 🗿 Paul Williams 🗿 Adnan Rashid 🗿Hamzas Den 🗿SC Dawah 🗿 EF Dawah 🗿 Sam Dawah 🗿 Mufti Yasir Wajidi 🗿 Qaiser Raja 🗿

[@Furinkazan541]

​@@smtouheed3863Your top debater is a dude who admitted that marriages with an 11 month old is halal💀

[@lilacflowerdays]

The dynamic between Menj and Issa did not work. Either way though, Islam is not worth defending and I hope their eyes will be open to see that.

[@lunafencoven]

I like Issa so much, and there should be a different debate on 'Can truth be subjective?' This is an exciting topic on its own, but it doesn't seem appropriate to use it if you're defending the objective truth of Islam.

[@C-Note_Staxs]

Muslim apologists you can tell he don’t like the truth by how antsy he got and started talking over Avery when he couldn’t refute it smh 🤦🏾‍♂️ they really know this stuff and is okay with it and will lie about it trying to save face and it’s disgusting and it shows the character of these people

[@kevinkipkorir3132]

🤣🤣🤣Muslim apologist threw Ibdn Kathir under the bus, on a live.

[@danilojuskovic6121]

This debate was awesome! made me laugh many times

[@ToursPoitiers732]

I think Issa won a lot of hearts today. But i am worried for him, because muslims will eat him alive

[@Nick_Lamb]

TO ISSA You say that each belief system can have some truth, but the implication is that each belief system has some falsehood as well. Why would you defend and associate with a system which perpetuates the falsehoods Islam does regardless of whatever truth it might contain?

[@paulthomas4917]

Issa is trying to hang on to his false prophet, and the only way he can do that is to reinvent it to his own liking. He should be honest and jump in or jump out.

[@Thanos-kp5jr]

I am very surprised about two things: 1. AP and Avery teaming up and effectively did a great job in both their opening statements. 2. Menj and Issa teaming up however I know that Issa and Menj don't agree on everything seeing that Issa was very reluctant to answering the Question asked by AP. I would never thought that Menj would team up with Issa i would have thought he would rather team up with Nadir or even Lamin instead..

[@TheyHurry]

Am I wrong or is Muslim Apoligist the same guy who was caught with child P.... on his computer ?

[@Hbmd3E]

yes no one is speaking about that but you .. and I was thinking about it didnt rememeber whole thing, but just police,. many police cars and national TV grew. video games and mascots on the shelf instead of books.. he showing knife on the screen making threats on Dee Wood ..

[@TheyHurry]

​@Hbmd3E Thanks for confirming, I knew I recognized his snobby demeanor from somewhere. What a sick man, I thought he was still in jail

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

​@45thnlilsebastian85 Is he in a western country?

[@Furinkazan541]

​@@SelahhhhhhhhhhhHe's in a Muslim one

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

@Furinkazan541 Oh well that makes sense why he wasnt in persecuted....

[@Noky98]

1:24:19 even his Muslim partner cringed on that

[@johnwest545]

The Muslim Apologist is living in the past, presenting arguments that’s been long ago debunked. Issa, God bless his heart, just reinterprets everything in the most PC way possible and then some.

[@TheMuslimApologist]

I didn't see any debunking. You must have been on a different planet.

[@Furinkazan541]

​@@TheMuslimApologist Bro, you were quoting fringe theories about Uzair and tried justified child marriage. I guess there's some truth to the CP thing, huh😂

[@TheMuslimApologist]

@@Furinkazan541 You should stop talking before you incriminate yourself further with evidence.

[@johnwest545]

@@TheMuslimApologist I didn’t say they debunked them, but rather they had been long debunked. For example, perfect preservation and scientific miracles are known to be bogus by most engaged in the debate on both sides.

[@Furinkazan541]

​​@@TheMuslimApologistYou should do the same. Threatening lawsuits to people concerning things that are a matter of public record is intimidation and harassment

[@WarriorOfChrist33]

issa, should have left this debate within the first 15 minutes as an ex muslim

[@JoanneArc-or9sr]

He’s been on APs show and the conclusion we all came too in the chat is that sufis are not true Muslims. He also disagrees with the attack on Israel which says alot. Most Muslims can’t give a straight answer when asked about October 7. They try to justify the attack. He didn’t. Pray for him, he is too good to be a Muslim.

[@kiroman911]

Wow Menj vs three!

[@ntertanedangel]

Saying "it's not a problem" doesn't actually get rid of the problem

[@kgp277]

I was genuinely interested in the Islamic answers to pagan practices in their tradition and other things and left disappointed.

[@MOADAM2010]

We Muslims say that prophet Abraham re-build the Kaaba and also stablest worship practices with that, but what happened later generations, they mixed the real practices with pagan practices. Go see knowledge and read the Quran, may ALLAH swt guide you and me and us , Amieeeen !!!

[@kgp277]

@@MOADAM2010 so you guys say the pagan practices are from God? Evidence?

[@MOADAM2010]

@@kgp277 Do you read English? we say that the real practices from ALLAH swt is mixed with the pagan practices by the pagans, they added some pagan practices by their own

[@Don-Royall]

@@MOADAM2010 zero evidence for your claim

[@amigos2841]

Like Noah's ark

[@CopticPrince-hh2yi]

check Issa's face reaction from 1:23:20 to 1:23:50 hahahahaha (the face of a guy who regret joining the wrong team :D as if he was saying " what have i put myself through) and from 1:24:06 to 1:24:36 he was having a heart attack out of embarrassment lol

[@lunafencoven]

The guy wears a t-shirt with his own picture on it.

[@DeLoxley86]

1:09:23 The part about Surah 65:4 is ridiculous. My wife is Malaysian, & I’ve lived there for 2 years. In Asia you can get away with confidently saying very blatant lies with no evidence or logic. Doesn’t work so well when debating in the West.

[@Giorgi755]

that was too painful to watch

[@AhFahted]

How can Isa be a Muslim and also a relativist? Unbelievable.

[@sher666]

These Muslims where a joke, not worth the time

[@ivangelism]

Rich of Malaysian Muslims to debate other religious views online when local Muslims are barred from any open religious discourse, services, or disobedience where they rule. Pray for Malaysia. 🙏

[@squidley1000]

Yeah zainab made mo mos heart flutter Issa missed that bit out 😂😂😂

[@colbrahh3965]

37 minutes in and WTF this Issa dude 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@squidley1000]

Minge cooking himself 🫣

[@TheMuslimApologist]

I fail to see where.

[@sibittbadas]

@@TheMuslimApologist 🤣heyy did you just supported yourself here right now ? yeahh thats good for making yourself felt good🤣womp wompp

[@squidley1000]

@@TheMuslimApologist guess you wouldn’t

[@Mohamed58290]

I love how you give everyone a chance to talk and you try not to engage with the conversation it can be hard not to engage when you disagree with the one who’s talking 😂 thats why i respect you being patient all love to you from an exmuslim and i respect all religions and i hope everyone will be open minded whether they are muslim or non muslim because we’re all looking for the truth no one has a better answer than the other we should listen to everyone and give them a chance as long as it doesn’t harm anyone or lead to extremism

[@davidlan12]

Such an embarrassment to Islam. 🤦‍♂️

[@dracom8987]

1:41:09 even Issa is laughing that's crazy 😂😂

[@hospiceresident70]

I dont know who is worse at debating libs or muslims

[@chuckkv]

I think a case can be made, based on elements of the Islamic dilemma, that the Quran teaches pluralism, as Issa is suggesting, but that's not the common or historical perspective and it has it's own problems, but it's an interesting place I'd like to hear Muslims explore some more of.

[@squidley1000]

Minge don’t even believe his own lies, about he’s never heard of it and his school of flaws 😃🤫

[@3brenm]

Issa seems like a cool guy tbh. It's a shame so many religious people aren't that chill

[@robmcdonagh8367]

More AP and Avery team ups please but I like Issa he seems like he could expect the truth.

[@dimitrimolotovvyacheslav4604]

That's a duo I never thought it would happen

[@mohammada3116]

Islam is the truth not idol polytheism worship

[@Furinkazan541]

​@@mohammada3116He says while praying to eight pebbles in a desert

[@prayerforceone]

Please, please pray that the Lord Jesus will open the eyes of Muslims in Malaysia (where MENJ is from). Pray that believers here will share the good news boldly with them in the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@kiroman911]

Issa kabeer speaks… debate over

[@JP-mq4zc]

35:45 Why Issa Kabeer is not anwering a simple question?

[@Freeman1106]

Islam is the only religion arguing to prove their scriptures are not correct.😂