Debate: Is Trump-Putin Summit a “Danger to America” or Crucial Diplomacy Between Nuclear Powers?

[@noybw2]

American democracy died years ago, without any help from Putin.

[@marcillioficino4663]

Agreed.

[@Boofyre]

Exactly. Putin is just the boogie man, so we can have someone else to blame. And by we I mean our corporate owned politicians

[@amasulem]

Miscarried from the womb.

[@CareFreeCommuting]

noybw2 valid point. That’s why no one cares to vote, it’s a farce. You get to choose between two fraudulent parties.

[@salamimami7720]

i agree with your point, though i'd add the caveat that American democracy hasn't died because there was never a democracy to kill.

[@WilhelmDrake]

Thank-you Mr. Greenwald for this dose of sanity. It was sorely needed.

[@greenguerrilla]

Love Glenn. Hardly follow Democracy Now anymore but enjoy Glenn's arguments and perspective. He has integrity.

[@alijawad87able]

Like always, Glenn is the voice of reason 👍

[@LisaHouserman]

Excellent, top-notch thank you Glenn Greenwald

[@winstonsmith-ministryoftru1609]

As always!

[@eduardooramadelpilar268]

Lisa Houserman keep dreaming

[@SWRaptor1]

Only issue I had with this back and forth was Glenn saying we need to move on from 2016. When we haven't even addressed what really happened with the DNC, media, and Clinton campaign being in clear collusion. All we have done is watch everyone in power avoid this very legitimate set of issues with clear election meddling done here domestically.

[@GJ-dj4jx]

One of the very few left

[@GJ-dj4jx]

Busted American Whomever the source of the hack was, we haven't prosecuted the illegality of the Clinton emails and the DNC. They rigged the primaries for Hillary and we need prosecute.

[@oranmulcahy1715]

I agree with Glenn here.

[@earuption]

Oran Mulcahy she think it's a great idea for Trump to destroy our intelligence community's relationships with our allies?

[@ndmitri1]

Me too. Great discussion.

[@georgebushwack]

Having a guy with these perspectives fighting for nuclear peace is like having Scott Pruitt protecting the environment.

[@HorstEwald]

Incredible interview. Greenwald never fails to surprise me with his clear and unbiased view. p.s.: Glenn probably mentiones Obama so often because he feels Joe is not holding Obama to the same standards he holds Trump to.

[@BGlasnost]

Yep, the American people are so idiotically binary these days, their team can get away with many things that they would not allow their "opponent's" team to get away with, and if anyone dares criticize "their guy" then obviously they're in league with the other side.

[@learningisgrowing]

Remember that time Greenwald said that there is no doubt Assad gassed his own people?

[@BGlasnost]

Remember that time someone made a claim without providing a source, thereby rendering it worthless?

[@raymondherbert3960]

FACE THE FACTS, OBAMA WAS A SELL-OUT, AND SPINELESS, I'M SURE TO KEEP FROM BECOMING A MARTYR.

[@toobnoobify]

+Brand_D _"Remember that time someone made a claim without providing a source, thereby rendering it worthless?"_ I remember him saying that on DN after it happened. But the difference between GG and the morons "Chris NZ" follows is that GG will change his position based on the facts presented. Chris NZ just parrots whatever MSNBC tells him to say.

[@jeffmurray1681]

Greenwald is exceptionally smart and thinks quickly on his feet. He also happens to be right. A deadly double whammy for any opponent that debates him.

[@annprehn]

I didn't vote for Trump, but I can't believe how dismissive this Joe guy is of all the people who did. Those voters know they weren't swayed by Russia.

[@lsobrien]

Greenwald, what a superb gentleman.

[@WilhelmDrake]

To characterize Facebook & Twitter ads as election interference is disingenuous at best.

[@bensanderson7144]

we're living in bizzaro world. the working class is...wait for it.. -Republican. The people that want endless wars in the middle east and a belligerent posture towards Russia is...wait for it... -Democrat. Now that is an inversion and a role reversal I would never have thought possible.

[@nowaskmehow]

The Democrats are for the liberal top 15/20% and go bipartisan on foreign empire building and globalism. The working class needs a new party.

[@trulywylde5726]

Shame on DN for bringing on Joe warmonger on to talk about the Russia summit!! Just admit you love war! Ty Glen for being for peace and being reasonable!!

[@TheSgrizli]

Nobody likes war some people just love money

[@ewalker1057]

Democracy Now would be remiss if they did not present both sides for us to assess. Yes there is another warmonger. We need to be made aware that there is the same war propaganda as was for invasion into Iraq. That is what a free press is supposed to do. Praise and not shame Democracy Now. He has replaced the word terror with danger but the message of scare we need the military complex is the same.

[@geezerdombroadcast]

Glenn is a great talker, and great reporter, but I think you read Joe Cirincione incorrectly. He is the legacy of 64 years of bitter confrontation with "insane" regimes in North Korea, the Soviets / then Russian lunatics like dictator Putin. Glenn forgets the murder, of expansionist proxy wars that have been killing Americans for decades. I was nearly a victim of that murder. Certainly American diplomacy, backed by constant threats of force has created some serious problems, but these people we're dealing with are "COMPLETELY INSANE". There is no negotiating with Putin! There is no negotiating with KIm Jon Un. They have no sense of "enough", no sense of "fairness", no sense of "mutual benefit", no sense of decency, or compassion of any kind , no sense of morality of any kind even the most metaphorical morality is completely foreign to them. They only know "power" "domination", "ego", "control", and "bling", lots, and lots of bling. I've been following, and participating in this business for nearly 45 years. Glenn has a lot of smart things to say, but he' got his head up his ass on this one.

[@ewalker1057]

Many, especially those from that time, see the War in Korea as same as the War in Vietnam. They were not the lunatics. They were invaded by the newly forming international warmonger (cold and/or hot)

[@GJ-dj4jx]

Actually it was fun to see how deeply corrupt some on the left really are. The man spent his life writing on nuclear disarmament and as soon as his party changed possition he spat on his whole life's work. Sad...

[@c.binion3592]

Russia hasn't been considered a U.S. enemy since 1991 when the Soviet Union broke up and the Cold War ended. A good article on this is "Listen Liberals: "Russia Is Not Our Enemy, from "Huffington Post," updated 2/15/17. It's not "treason" to cooperate with Russia any more than to work closely with Canada. 1

[@allansmythe2235]

What’s happened to Democracy now?

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

“War is good for business.” George Carlin

[@anti_fox8987]

Glenn Greenwald is one of the best journalists in the US

[@toobnoobify]

Well he lives in Brazil, but I still agree with you.

[@daphneemanuel9555]

I agree with Glen Greenwald- One of the best researching journalist working today. Thank You.

[@ryanpohl3386]

This was one of the most one-sided debates I have ever seen. Glen Greenwald just embarrassed Joe Cirincione on an epic level. Glen had facts...Joe had propaganda talking points.

[@redcapitalist]

Professionally hosted debate. Well done

[@simoneleone]

I love Glenn Greenwald. Thank goodness we've got him talking sense out there.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Glenn Greenwald! Brilliant as always! I love watching him in action. Restores my faith in the human ability to reason, to think and feel! God bless him!

[@johannesvandoesburg1869]

Cirincione worked with the center for american progress (John Podesta) Great credentials!

[@axisboldasl]

Today I lost a lot of respect for Ploughshares Fund. He is parroting CFR talking points.

[@dorisdoris5563]

Cirincione might consider the fact, but I doubt it, that Crimea used to be part of Russia and is home to ethnic Russians who have lived there forever and are on Putin's side in this dispute. Maybe because the Ukraine government wants to destroy them. US targets for destruction are, on the other hand, 6000 miles away and pose no real threat to it at all.

[@fazaelma]

thank you Glenn for your voice of reason!!!

[@danielwest2186]

Glenn Greenwald a breath of fresh wisdom, and a man for all seasons, and a voice for freedom of the press in the world . Thank you Glenn for your honesty and integrity, and defense of the worlds whistle blowing heroes including Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden. .

[@bts119]

Greenwald...my man! Good answers. Keep it up!

[@ketilflatnose4930]

Great debate.

[@michaeljoseph3528]

Glenn, thanks for keeping things in perspective!

[@topspin242]

We need 1000 more Glenn Greenwalds.

[@justinbrian3422]

Glenn makes great arguments for peace and diplomacy. Thank you.

[@tonybenn1000]

Not often i disagree with Glenn, but i don't think Joe knows what in hell he's talking about.

[@nancypetersen6713]

Glenn Greenwald is the most intelligent journalist alive today. He never loses a debate because he deals with facts not opinions. He knows history, knows the Constitution inside and out, never gets defensive because he knows history and understands foreign policy,and most of all because he is just so freakin' brilliant. I would feel very confused without his contributions. I would feel helpless without his voice of reason. THANK YOU GLENN GREENWALD!!!

[@DR_Neal_Rigger]

Why is joe given airtime? Hes obviously full of hate, and has nothing constructive to add to any conversation.. Cherlish..

[@rowtenlowt3371]

SHAME ON YOU CIRINCIONE

[@strings41]

It's hard to argue with Glenn's superior logic.

[@baketeach]

My father had a saying: 'How do you attract flies? With Sugar not vinegar"... Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

[@davidackerman6837]

another beautiful take-down by Greenwald. like a boss

[@eminecichowski1016]

Glenn Greenwald is my campus of the direction I trust in this very disorienting world of ours!

[@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube]

Greenwald is a beast

[@InfiniteCyclus]

Thanks Glenn!! Always the voice of reason!! This hysteria is making me nauseous... Not even joking.

[@greenpeace4246]

Jill Stein is the ONLY politician who calls Ed Snowden a hero and should be free. Bernie couldn’t even go that far.

[@noahnelson6385]

This is amazing stuff. These type of long form debates of nuanced issues that give clear context arnt on cable news. Democracy Now! Forever

[@robbie3333]

Glen is the Man! Never a doubt about his perspective. .

[@milosdunjic8718]

Where is the f-ckng server?

[@ketilflatnose4930]

I think the Helsinki protests are fine, both countries have done horrific things, and both leaders are awful. I think the summit is good, but, like greenwald said, neither is endorsing the others. Glen greenwald said almost everything perfect.

[@CHAS1422]

I consider myself right of center, but I assure you Glen Greenwald is the best debater the left has to offer. Glad to be subscribed to Democracy today. I respectfully disagree with many points, but glad to see debates with stars like Greenwald. Many on the libertarian right agree with Greenwald's stand on the police state tactics of the FBI CIA NSA. Snowden needs to be pardoned in my view and become a 4th amendment consultant.

[@legin3753]

Glenn is 100% right

[@nancymesek]

I’d agree with Glenn about to super nuclear parties meeting if it weren’t trump having the meetings. Putin is way too intelligent. Trump just found out GB isn’t the same as the U.K.

[@percivalsweetwater9992]

Thanks, Glen! Sanity personified.

[@amyjones2490]

Greenwald sitting in Brazil. I'm here in Michigan wondering if my vote will even count in our next election...or if it had counted for years. How long has our democracy been imperiled?

[@lizs1572]

William Jones what about the DNC cheating Bernie Sanders?

[@coleenparsons4905]

William Jones - I hope you come out on August 7th regardless. I also hope that there's been additional security measures being quietly implemented. Now more than ever we must vote and hold our elected officials accountable. Like other states, Michigan has so many great things to support on this year's November ballot. I choose to remain confident that our votes do count and 2016 was a necessary evil to create positive change. Elizabeth Singleton - I feel your pain. I choose to believe that whatever the DNC did to Bernie is being corrected, too. Probably naive, but it seems to be more helpful than stewing in my own juices about something I need a time machine to change. Speaking of time machines, I wonder if campaign funds were used to make/purchase one and that's how we're here now. Not sure which side yet. Did I mention one of the things that will be on the MI ballot in November is the legalization of cannabis?

[@leboulenoire]

Listening to Amy Goodman mindlessly spewing out establishment talking points is the reason I stopped watching democracy now. Grateful when they bring on Glen Greenwald to cut through the BS with non partisan facts, which makes Joe Cirincione's establishment talking points sound even more pathetic.

[@fliteskinaeroscale5222]

leboulenoire 100%, i unsubscribed

[@JediNiyte]

I'm in complete agreement with Glenn here. But dear GOD, Joe Cirincione is a good-looking man...

[@excitingworld364]

you go Greenwald, bravo!

[@juliodyarzagaray]

Glenn was awesome!

[@airforcemax]

Life is Complicated due to Points Of View with How You Practice (Perform) Your Interpretations and Your Practices.

[@ndmitri1]

I support Glen's views on the issues discussed.

[@radsenior]

This man @realdonaldtrump speaks but one language- Hatred!

[@Anonymous-yw1cv]

Hatred is the language of Democracy Now, look in the mirror.

[@Atalaclys]

Glenn is superb..

[@nowaskmehow]

Glenn is awesome, full of heart and a beast of reason. Joe just sits there looking despondent, reduced to rubble, exposed.

[@meofamily4]

Reality is messy, Mr Cirincione. There are always reasons not to meet with adversaries. The reasons for communication are not ever absent.

[@citizennobody5518]

Bake lift or not. Glenn always speaks sense.

[@ln6593]

I generally think that Glen's views have validity, but his comparison between Obama and Trump and how Trump is more forceful than Obama, is pretty laughable. Obama was trying to repair relations, but situation changed with Russia's intervention into Crimea and Ukraine, plus all the election interfering in US and Europe. Besides it is rather bizarre for one to have an extremely very aggressive policy on Russia and then gush all over about Putin/Russia at the same time. More reasonable is if the aggressive policy is coming from the pentagon, NSA and CIA and not Trump. Besides he never reads and can't logically rebut an argument. He will probably cave than look stupid and/or guilty.

[@codenamebeats]

Lat Nat there's no hope for savages like you if you wrote this after listening to what Glen just said.

[@NOyaPara]

Glenn Greenwald is just a fucking superhero...

[@activision]

Joe Cirincione is ridiculous lol

[@jivetalknewswithattitude2057]

He was so Right 👍🏾

[@2906justblaze]

This isn't a debate. Glen is absolutely right.

[@David-xk8hb]

Glenn Greenwald is a national treasure.

[@sgturner59]

Thanks for this, particularly for Greenwald's reminder of Obama's posture toward Russia in 2012 and Obama's record on journalism and sources.

[@ericsilva-gomez2481]

This debate was easy work for Glen.

[@PictureThisNewMedia]

Those posters & banners for the presidents on the pathway was a great idea

[@Busterpeek21]

Glenn, as usual, destroys his opponent! Is it just me or, did it look like Joe, was about to cry from the shellacking he was receiving? 😂

[@Gastonian616]

Glenn is without a doubt the smartest voice on this subject.

[@festus569]

USA agreed with Putin when he massacred and tortured Chechens like Noam Chomsky said in ones of his old interviews for BBC, so USA's hypocrisy and duplicity has no limit. Glenn Greenwald is right about USA.

[@nohbody369]

Just out of curiosity do we know who carried out the Equifax hack?

[@leroya160]

I think Hillary is pulling the strings on this kind anti-Russia shit. All for her to blame losing to Trump on somebody else. Go, Glenn.

[@joshuapaul2022]

Joe Cirincione is sick with Trump derangement. He became a dangerous, nutty warmonger.

[@terryhasan]

I wish I were half as smart as Glenn. Glenn, you're a democratic hero, like Snowdon.

[@MisterstereoOso]

Respect Glen Greenwald ! In command of the facts & totally un-biased. Very interesting to hear his take on some of President Obamas policies. Is Glen living in Brazil as a refugee/whistleblower ? (uneducated Britisher )!...

[@nymet2454]

His partner lives in Brazil.

[@unitedstatesofmordor]

Glenn Greenwald is spot on in his points, especially @21:29, readily summed up @22:21.

[@hussletrees3617]

glenn, spare the man. you absolutely exposed him

[@hussletrees3617]

I mean, Tom Clancy novels? 20:40 For real? Lol ouch..

[@TheCarin12]

You should always talk to your so-called enemies.

[@leonpse]

This debate is unnecessary, since Joe Cirincione's views are given everyday by mainstream media. He did not provide any new information. I would have preferred Greenwald and other experts who can confirm Greenwald's opinions with evidence. Joe's views is just repeating what I hear everyday in corporate media.

[@rdickinsondickinson]

Glen tells it like it is

[@mobilefitnesslondon6137]

Greenwald is one sharp guy

[@empidonaxdvg]

Glenn Greenwald is incredible.

[@matthewjohn666]

Cirincione is bloody, confused, and gasping for breath. Greenwald wins this round.

[@Doppe1ganger]

Glenn absolutely obliterated his unhinged opponent

[@marykelly8408]

Putin looks very bored. Trump's rhetoric always mentioning Obama, Clinton...it's old at this point. Just do your job Trump..if you can. What deals will you make with Putin....

[@KingDayDayDay00]

Mary Kelly he knows Trump is just a puppet to the USA system of its military industrial complex, big oil, and their intelligence agencies

[@greenbaygirl1447]

Hopefully not war with Russia. That's a great deal with Putin. But, I would like it if Putin makes Trump return Gitmo to Cuba.

[@chwest31]

i like these back and forth discussions

[@marthacmd]

great debate. I had not written on DN post in over a year...I saw Glenn

[@KingDayDayDay00]

How about we get out of Syria and long live Assad

[@trulywylde5726]

ImageSounds agreed

[@Emanon...]

Yeah, long live genocide.... Of course you guys have been the fans of that the last few decades.

[@annprehn]

If the US experienced a violent uprising funded by other countries, do you think our government, whoever is president, wouldn't react as Assad has?

[@Emanon...]

In what way were the demonstrations in Syria in 2010 violent? Please educate me. Was it when the first 100's had been killed by army snipers? Or when the shellings began? To answer your question: If they are cunts, they would. If they are an illegitimate government, but with a shred of decency and humanity, then no. Case in point: Tunisia, South Africa, Poland, Turkey, Czech Rep., Zimbabew etc... Please tell me you're a russian troll. Or just an average American. Because no one else can be writing comments that intensely deprived of historical context and factual events.

[@Emanon...]

Kool-aid: Congratulations. You just traded the lives of 500.000 Syrian civilians and the dispossessment of 15 million people for "whatever it it takes to restore order and stability" - whatever the fuck that means... And no, the US would not do the same, you ignorant moron. Have you heard of the civil rights movement? Was there a civil war because of that or did the US government give in to legitimate claims from the population? How can anyone in their right mind agree with "long live Assad"? The level of ignorance in this thread is mind boggling. I better prepare for the republic of Gilead, I guess...

[@KalamKhan-cq3jq]

God Bless Greenwald.

[@sneifert1968]

Trumps orange face is just too creepy.....With those white circles around his eyes it looks like a "leatherface" mask

[@zauberschatzkiste]

tribute! glenn greenwald

[@andreschoene3878]

[@aquarianthunderproductions]

Bottom line is that if these men are acting in good faith then we could have a very good outcome -- if not -- then both are a very real and serious danger to the World and their enablers and cheerleaders are just as dangerous, if not more.

[@wleao13]

what a joke this joe is.facts now are not good?snowden, wikileaks and assange presented facts my good joe.