Debate! "Israel's War on Gaza is Genocide" H Tzortzis vs Dr M Humphrys on

[@CoachZahabi]

Humphry is absolutely gross in his denial of genocide. He is making excuses for the invasion and occupation of Israelis. He is not preaching coexistence but rather apartheid.

[@michaelovadiyah659]

Yes. We are all gross by denying that Hamas is genociding Palestinians.

[@victorkey1218]

⁠@@michaelovadiyah659we‘re all gross by denying that the juice stole the land of the Palestinians

[@michaelderamus662]

@@victorkey1218, It'd take you a quick google search, or to read a book or two on how "Juice" bought the land from Arabs and Turks during the Ottoman Empire. And once Israel was established as a state in 1947, the Arab countries decided to attack and lost land after wars that they started...We have the receipts....So, yes, you're gross for not knowing history. And, yes, we have the receipts that Palestinians are also being grilled by "friendly fire" from Hamas.

[@noagenesis6295]

wake up mate there’s two side of the story , look up arab terror attack since 1948 and tell me how many you see ? You think they like to fight palestians on a daily basis and don’t want peace ? There is literally arabs inside Israel who love living there making good money more than israelis lol you cray

[@AEBJJ159]

Embarrassed to have ever sat in one of Mark Humphrey's lecture rooms. The way he's conducted himself for the last few months has been nothing short of disgraceful.

[@skardykats]

there's an invisible hand holding his balls.

[@Ghuraba007]

The reason why Mr. Humphrys didn’t cite a source is because every single point he made was from the IDF and Israeli War Cabinet

[@turboleggy]

The Messenger of Allah [ﷺ] married me when I was six year's old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls." - Aisha [RA], in Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378; Vol. 4, Book 26, Hadith 3380.

[@turboleggy]

O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as patrons, affiliating with them or showing them affection; they are patrons of each other, being united in disbelief. Whoever amongst you affiliates with them, he is one of them, counted with them. God does not guide the folk who do wrong, by affiliating with disbelievers.

[@turboleggy]

Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic republic of Iran, wrote of this practice regarding its practice with pre-pubescent children: ﻣﺴﺄﻟﺔ 12 : ﻻ ﻳﺠﻮﺯ ﻭﻁﺀ ﺍﻟﺰﻭﺟﺔ ﻗﺒﻞ ﺇﻛﻤﺎﻝ ﺗﺴﻊ ﺳﻨﻴﻦ ، ﺩﻭﺍﻣﺎ ﻛﺎﻥ ﺍﻟﻨﻜﺎﺡ ﺃﻭ ﻣﻨﻘﻄﻌﺎ , ﻭ ﺃﻣﺎ ﺳﺎﺋﺮ ﺍﻻﺳﺘﻤﺘﺎﻋﺎﺕ ﻛﺎﻟﻠﻤﺲ ﺑﺸﻬﻮﺓ ﻭ ﺍﻟﻀﻢ ﻭ ﺍﻟﺘﻔﺨﻴﺬ ﻓﻼ ﺑﺄﺱ ﺑﻬﺎ ﺣﺘﻰ ﻓﻰ ﺍﻟﺮﺿﻴﻌﺔ Ruling # 12: It is not permission to have intercourse before (her) being 9 years old, be it in nikah (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage. And as for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and thighing (ﺍﻟﺘﻔﺨﻴﺬ), there is no problem in it even with a suckling infant. Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, page 221-222

[@turboleggy]

Genocide and Pedophila. There's my sources. 1988 Hamas Charter also espouses genocide.

[@sureyyaekinci4630]

I was wandering where he got it from !

[@FamFam-o6w]

I'm astonished that he just sat there and asked Gazans to just give up 😮

[@manzalina1]

Just go shopping, work, live peacefully. Hahahhaha how ridiculous was that statement. 😂

[@FamFam-o6w]

@@manzalina1 yes, but you forget that before all the shopping, working and living peacefully you are kicked out of your own homes, humiliated, and abused. Just forget all that though. Forget the countless relatives that passed away during this ethnic cleansing. Forget justice.... Honestly, only a person in a very privileged position who has never had to live through such cruelty can sit back and say... "Hey.. just give up on your dreams."

[@manzalina1]

@@FamFam-o6w i think you misunderstood me mate..

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Look it comes down to whether Arab Palestinians can compromise and accept a tiny Jewish state alongside 20+ Arab states. You can say you'll never give up, but if you insist on attacking Israel over and over, you can't call it genocide when they strike back.

[@FamFam-o6w]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 this is false. It's not just a tiny Jewish state. Have you heard of the idea of "greater Israel" that senior Israeli politicians proudly show maps and depictions of during their speeches? And again, just because they are Arab, doesn't mean we have the right to tell them to pick up all their shit and get out of their land, and go live with another group of Arabs. If it was you in this situation, just imagine being told to "give up" or "leave your home and land". The audacity to say such a thing can only come from thinking of the Palestinians as lesser. People have a right to live in their land and not have it stolen and taken from them. Even international law recognizes resistance to occupation as legal, this includes armed resistance. Seriously my friend, just have some empathy... They are human beings just like yourself... I would never tell you to roll over and give up if the same happened to you.

[@MrSharkBait561]

12:50 This dude is ridiculous “Hey guys, we’re going to take over your land, treat you like shit so please accept that the world sucks and accept that your situation sucks. We know that you’re imprisoned but just accept it all. C’mon guys, stop fighting back, just accept the reality that you’re being treated like shit but don’t do anything about it.”

[@mayabrain]

How about instead of fighting you teach your kids to strive for peace? Thats what israelis do....... I grew up in a fairly right wing community (not far right) and yet I was raised that there are humans on the other side and to strive for peace! In civil studies in high school we learn about the al qasam village (probably wrong on the name, learnt it a long time ago) massacre, we learn it as an example of an illegal action, and that accepting an illegal command from a commander makes you implicit, it actually illegal to follow orders to massacre. We learnt from the natz,is that following orders is not an exuce. So, Israeli soldiers are not allowed to kill cevillians without cause even if ordered to!

[@imrazali6005]

That's called a colonizer

[@SolJalaludin]

Indeed.

[@angelosaleh8344]

Dr. M Humphry hasn't done his homework at all. His Laptop couldn't even save him. 😂

[@AbdullahAmine]

He could do all the homework in the world, Baatil always runs from Haq.

[@I.Davids786]

The only defence is blaming Hamas...no homework needed

[@zijadtarakcija5611]

He is thump person I min Mark

[@saragonmcenany6229]

The bigger the laptop the bigger loser

[@sarahzainal4154]

exactlyyyyy

[@ThePraised1.]

Complaining about Hamza being aggressive right after he said "Palestinians should accept its not a fair world" Shameless!

[@Farhadmoh]

Exactly

[@josephine4611]

Absolute arrogance.. deal with being occupied and stop resisting it..

[@manzalina1]

Indeed he is!

[@yassinzakar]

Like if the world is not fair is a pieces of garbage excuse for criminals. What stops the rest of the world to take the step to make it fair like instead of supporting Israel, they support the other side even by force.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

They should accept that Israel isn't going anywhere.

[@itsbandage]

Hamza you represented us very very well .. thank you ❤️

[@lucaswilliams2835]

the Arabs and Muslims debating and in the chat are entirely uneducated on their own kind. more than 500,000 Syrians have been killed by their own Muslim brothers, 350,000 in Yemen. Not to mention Iraq etc. all wartorn internally. What you fashion based religious people do not understand is the facts. There are 100s of active mosques in Israel, there are more than 2million Palestinians living without war in Israel. There are Arabs in Israeli parliament and supreme court. How many jews to this effect in Palestine ? ... not even 1. This is a war tht was started by Hamas. A grpup whos sol aim is to wipe out Israel and the jews...they openly admit it. and you hear nothing about all of this from the Muslims. Oh... by the way, 1 more fact for you... how many Arab countries/nations have taken in Palestinian refugees? Maybe Egypt?? they border Palestine, right? ZERO Arab nations have allowed even a single Palestinian into their country. Learn the facts before you spout rubbish. You only educate yourselves on biased agenda channels and sites. learn before you speak 💯 👌

[@i-Glass]

Production of PHD ass wipe = Mark Humpfree.

[@kamranmehboob8156]

well done, brother hamza. I'm so proud 👏 of you speaking up 4 the right and the truth

[@nass7197]

what i find mind blowing is that people have to have a debate about a live witnessed genocide and still question it. such people have no heart and no soul

[@YvonneFaith-h6b]

The world is bewitched. Zionism is witchcraft in that sense

[@Myrtle43]

U mean October 7th in Israel….?

[@hanifkasmani8822]

He’s trying to say that Palestinians should leave Gaza and go somewhere else to have a better life than give on golden platter Israel their country, would he accept to leave his country and give to an opressor? He knows exactly what he’s saying racist and ignorant human what a shame

[@MoeDhim]

This guy his thoughts are rotten as his looks but not Irash

[@fushisan1017]

You know what live witnessed as well honey ? Please explain to me how the population inside gaza growing and increasing each day Instead of decreasing? 🤡🤡🤡 I will wait take your time i know its hard for you to think without getting overwhelmed by emotions of random arabs suffering i will wait for your response

[@bayzidahmed]

Does he accept that Ukraine should just accept Russia to occupy their country and not fight back?! They can live in peace and prosperity lol

[@jahankarim351]

Hypocrite Dr will have a bitch fit if you ask him that ..when these sort of people open their mouth they spit out so much crap, and he is a doctor 🤣

[@DomAtaGlance]

Theirs a couple things wrong with your comparison. Ukraine has a soviergnn nation with established boarders. They did nothing to provoke their occupation. Gaza never had a nation and brought about their own occupation by using violence against Israel. Also Palestinians lost their land a hundred years ago.if a hundred years from now the Ukranians are still occupied and using terrorism against the Russians I will confirm them

[@ahmedsamy-vo4vz]

​@@DomAtaGlance so if i took ur house and forced this situation on you for 20- 30 years and then you came back to take your home .. i will have the right to defend your home from you ? wow, also before Balfour Declaration 1917 there was only a country called palastine but no israel but after 1917 (israeli) imigration to palastine now they started forming their country on that land , so saying that there wasnt a country or a people or a nation called palastine is a complete fabrication from an insinsere creature like you .

[@vinlondon8904]

​@DomAtaGlance palestine as a country is recognised by most of the UN since 2012. What are you on about? Palestine has always been occupied therefore has a right to defend itself, unlike their occupiers, who have no such right.

[@deficrypto1234]

@@DomAtaGlance Gaza was part of a Palestenian nation that Jewish European Zionist settlers conquered and occupied. Gazans have every legal right to use violence against Israel. Thats the law. Jews lost their land 3000 years ago and tried to get it back. So those who have lost their land 100 years can fight to get it back. No double standards. Furthermore, Palestine didnt lose their land hundred years ago. 1948 isnt hundred years ago.

[@edinahalilovic4248]

It is sad to watch people being blind,even though the truth is poking them in the eyes actually.

[@PHATBEATZ3M]

Racism blinds people for sure.

[@PHATBEATZ3M]

Clearly, even though this guy is Irish, he probably never experienced racism or oppression in his time, so he has no understanding of suffering.

[@TaviBadr]

@@PHATBEATZ3Mor he’s a sympathizer who would have easily turned his brothers and sisters in to save his own skin.

[@PHATBEATZ3M]

@TaviBadr Round my way we call those types cowards. So, yea I do agree 🤣🤣

[@TaviBadr]

@@PHATBEATZ3M I feel it 🤣🤣

[@KHABIB-TIME]

In 1967, while the IDF army marching on the foothills of the occupied Palestine-Westbank when they hear a lone Palestinian voice over the hill: "one Palestinian with a slingshot is better than 10 IDF soldiers!" The IDF General Avraham Yoffe laughs, as he sends 10 men on the hill to capture it. There is gunfire for a minute or so and then every-thing goes silent but they hear the same faint voice; "one Palestinian is better than a hundred of yours!". Annoyed, the IDDF General sends hundred men to capture that hill. There is intense gunfire and bombs going off for around ten minutes and then everything goes eeriley silent again. Suddenly, that same voice yell out again: "one Palestinian is better than a thousand of yours!" Enraged and infuriated, General Yoffe sends a thousand men, accompanied with tanks, artillery, mortar teams and strictly orders them not to return until the hill is captured. For around half an hour all hell loose breaks, bombs, explosions, gunfire, shelling, screams of death all around and every corner and then, it goes silent again. One IDDF soldier crawls back, severely wounded, brusied and battered and before the General could say anything, the soldier says "Do not send more troops General, it's a trap! There's two of them in there".....,,,,...

[@georgestavri4474]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@josephine4611]

Love this 😂😂😂

[@genevievesampler3702]

Mark is such a liar I'm so disgusted.

[@genevievesampler3702]

Marks problem with this debate is he's losing it.

[@benarfaofficial]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@dermymoto]

Absolutely sickening as an Irishman listening to Mark Humphrys. Disgusting

[@liamlynch9359]

Yes but as a fellow countrymen, I say you should take heart as in his defense, he's clearly a lunatic. He has no connection to Israel yet has chosen to identify with that state, in a somewhat obsessive stalker like manner, take up their cause and at no time shows any ability to demonstrate critical thinking skills when digesting their talking points aka propaganda. No ability to digest and comprehend history or its nuances. Who brings a laptop to a debate? I watched a debate with TD Richard Barret and he wiped a PowerPoint slides, it was bizarre. I don't know why he bothers, he's ridiculous out of his depth

[@cadedhegnas6453]

The fact that a genocide debate happens is utterly sick, people have eyes but sometimes no heart #freepalestine

[@Not-a-GSD]

It’s amazing people like this Israeli Zionist apologists makes statements like if only the Palestinians would have ignored Israel prior to the 7th of October. How can a people being oppressed by an occupying power do such a thing.

[@MissnewsReporter]

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@yamlareah8645]

What would you do if someone took your childhood captive or kidnapped your baby?

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

​@@yamlareah8645​​ your question is pooly crafted. Making it unclear what you are asking. If someone kidnapped my baby, I'd go get my baby back. If someone took my child captive, I'd go get my child back. If someone took my _childhood_ captive I'd call them my parents.😅 Maybe, now, you'll answer this question: what would you do if you were 19 years old and had spent your entire life in the same 5 mile by 25 mile concentration camp where every year the guards of your concentration camp come in and kill your sister, steal your brother, humiliate, brutalized, and torture your parents, starve you, treat you as an animal, exclude you from society economy and freedom, belittle everything you know and love, and destroy everything good as it is created, force you to drink their sewage water, and leave you no hope for happiness or peaceful life or good health in the future? What would you do if all of that happened to you and someone offered you a weapon and a chance to fight your oppressors and free your family, your people, yourself?

[@slickperspective]

His demeanor betrays a sense of concealment, with a tone weighed down by fatigue, as if the burden of dishonesty is taking its toll. His eyes shift wearily, a manifestation of the fatigue that accompanies deceit. By the 12:45 -minute mark, his evident bias and dishonesty become unmistakable. He seems aware of Israel's historical actions against the Palestinians over the past more than half-century, yet he persists in his untruths. In this debate, Hamza emerges victorious from the very beginning, as the opponent lacks the moral standing to engage in a meaningful discussion, given his apparent support for genocide.

[@kristandevries4835]

It's called psychopathic/schizofrenic. 😮

[@egilskallagrimsson2941]

Talking to this terrorist would wear anyone out.

[@Islamiccalling]

This guy got obliterated by brother Hamza. Poor guy didn't know what he was getting into. Why would you defend genocide?!

[@liigachka3]

Every war in this world is genocidal + I agree with Mia Shem when in recent interwew she said there are no innocent people in gaza. Ok, newborns and babies are innocent, but starting from about 5 years old every child develops enough to understand that killing others is a big big no no (I work in a nursery with 5 year olds, so I know what their mental development is supposed to be at this age) and terrorism and threttening to kill all jews is also a big no no. Children are able to recognise moral actions not even speaking about adults. But if they choose to follow hamas or any other terror organization, well, I will not miss them in this world, we have this saying in my country - more space for others.

[@mulkihassan3343]

Been paid . So can't tell the truth

[@rewardedwithemaan646]

@@mulkihassan3343100% kept dodging.

[@liigachka3]

@@mulkihassan3343 Mulki, your name says it all. Write your name in google translate and translate from Latvian, and you will see, what it means in my language - tu esi mulki.

[@georgestavri4474]

@@liigachka3Does KB in your behind the scene algebraic name correlate with kibbutz?

[@rejhanpolimac7069]

Who's this Irish guy lol? Even I, as a Muslim, would have a better arguments for Israel. He did terrible job. Brother Hamza was brilliant, as usual.

[@BroRizwan]

Few minutes into his time and he started waffling

[@waasgreen]

🔥

[@Danielle-zq7kb]

He isn’t real Irish. Hundreds of years ago the British invaded and colonized northern Ireland. I think he is a descendent of those people. Hope it makes sense now.

[@RinaBrudy]

It is indeed a cursed race!!

[@watermarginramsgate180]

@@Danielle-zq7kb like the Caucasians of Australia that won't class indigenous people of that country as humans

[@idrischemali5991]

I swear by Allah, I don't remember the last time this guy Marc mentioned a source from any reference, while Hamza mentions thousands. Good job brother Hamza JazakaAllahukhair.

[@Elbasilius]

Source doesent mean anything. Sources are not unbiased, for example war casualties can be sourced and inflated by both parties to push their own propaganda.

[@omerali580]

His source is the IDF Propoganda Playbook.

[@Andrew4Handel]

"(..)thousands." Thousands of what? I can give you sources for all this: ..The Arabs rejected a Palestinian state in 1947 and after that in 1948, Egypt, Iraq, Trans Jordan, Yemen Syrian and Lebanon etc attacked Israel in an attempt to destroy it supported by many Palestinians. Israel was created by the UN not Jews in a vote. Palestinians where just called Arabs for 99% of their history until Khalil Beidas adopted the term in 1898. Palestine was a term used to refer to wide areas including all of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Most of Jordan is Palestinian and was part of the British Mandatary Palestine. Palestinian Arabs rejected a state a further 8 times after 1947.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

​@@omerali580and the other source (the one you're trusting) is the Muslim jihadis who want to dismantle the civilized world and cause a global caliphate.....

[@lucaswilliams2835]

the Arabs and Muslims debating and in the chat are entirely uneducated on their own kind. more than 500,000 Syrians have been killed by their own Muslim brothers, 350,000 in Yemen. Not to mention Iraq etc. all wartorn internally. What you fashion based religious people do not understand is the facts. There are 100s of active mosques in Israel, there are more than 2million Palestinians living without war in Israel. There are Arabs in Israeli parliament and supreme court. How many jews to this effect in Palestine ? ... not even 1. This is a war tht was started by Hamas. A grpup whos sol aim is to wipe out Israel and the jews...they openly admit it. and you hear nothing about all of this from the Muslims. Oh... by the way, 1 more fact for you... how many Arab countries/nations have taken in Palestinian refugees? Maybe Egypt?? they border Palestine, right? ZERO Arab nations have allowed even a single Palestinian into their country. Learn the facts before you spout rubbish. You only educate yourselves on biased agenda channels and sites. learn before you speak 💯 👌

[@wanderingsoul8399]

Had the great honour of meeting this wonderful brother in person in Birmingham a few days ago. Tremendous speech 🎤 given by him. Absolutely 💯 correct in this video. Never believe a word espoused by Isra-hell and their supporters.

[@finchvalor]

Hey how’s it going? Just dropping a comment to say Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old, and Israel is going to absolutely wipe the dirty ground with the corpses of Hamas. Have a good one 👍

[@jaysamuel1987]

What was Dr Humphrys doing in Brum?

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

​@@jaysamuel1987nothing. He's likely never been there.

[@michellenorris8471]

War correspondents & journalists who have seen the aftermath pictures & video evidence of October 7th, 2023 ( provided by the Israeli authorities ), are saying that a majority of the devastation of the aftermath scene could only have been caused by hellfire missile strikes from the Apache helicopters & tanks in use by the Israel Defense Force ( I D F ). There is also evidence that the 'Hannibal Directive' was ordered, whereby an I.D.F. soldier is ordered to open fire on targets even when innocent civilians may be within the target range. Sources:- International news media, KZbin channels:- The Real News Network, Novara Media, The Electronic Intifada, BreakThrough News, Professor Norman Finkelstein, Katie Halper.

[@Danielle-zq7kb]

For truth read: The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine by Khalidi The General’s Son by Peled The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Pappe

[@carolyn6780]

And the Grayzone youtube channel with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate

[@factchecker6674]

All of those sources are of questionable credibility.

[@michellenorris8471]

@@factchecker6674 No, they are not! I've been following this since the early 1970s, I know who I can trust by now.

[@factchecker6674]

@@michellenorris8471 No they’re not, I’ve been following this for years.

[@Notmyhandler]

Thank you brother Hamza! May Allah swt preserve you 💯

[@PaulErez-x7i]

He is your brother because he lies eloquently for Alla, as instructed by- Taqiya

[@josephine4611]

Ameen

[@MdKhairul_1991]

@@PaulErez-x7iwhat is the taqiyah?i don't understand,you muslim?

[@Andrew4Handel]

It is ironic and absurd that you ask Allah to preserve Hamza. Allah should be demanding Hamas surrender instead thousand of people are dying. As well as that thousands of Yemeni children have starved to death. ISIS committed genocide and terrorised Northern Iraq and Northern Syria. Assad his killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians including gassing Children. Sudan has a civil war, Somalia has a civil war. Turkey is Turkey is bombing the Kurds. China is committing Genocide against Uyghur. I really can't any Evidence of Allah preserving Muslims. may be you should preserve each other? Hamza is being preserved by not living in a Muslim country whilst justifying terrorism.

[@aadiljones7441]

​@@PaulErez-x7iomw another comedian

[@abooismail]

Dr. Humphrey said, “Gaza is not occupied”. What was the past 17 year blockade about?

[@sueelliott8085]

Stopping gun running.

[@ummrawamus]

​@@sueelliott8085very funny

[@Lurch685]

@@sueelliott8085hasn’t worked, Hamas has a domestic weapons production capacity sufficient to supply their fighters for 9 months+ and to continue fighting and taking out Israeli armor.

[@sofnaji]

Debating if what’s going on in Gaza is wrong is like debating the colour of grass, or the names of the day of the week. It’s self evident.

[@dreamz8282]

Amazing to see people like brother Hamza learned and educated on the subject. It’s is a responsibility on us all to educate our selves enough to be able to defend our brothers and sisters in Gaza so that we can break the oblivion and propaganda we keep seeing. It is disheartening to see people like this Irish man whole heartedly and blindly believing and following such a dangerous narrative. ‘إِنَّكَ لَا تَهْدِى مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِٱلْمُهْتَدِينَ’ ٥٦ ‘You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺ guided.’

[@fushisan1017]

Actually its the opposite lol every 3rd grader will embarrass Hamza on basic history topics 😂😂😂😂

[@GalBuki]

Maybe Hamza can show us the international law that defines Gaza as occupied. Hamza is just repeating BS. He has not educated himself on even on one of his most central arguments.

[@davidaponte7521]

You need to talk to Allah, because his guidance isn’t working out for y’all to well.

[@ha.alamin]

Great presentation from our brother, Hamza. May Allah grow the seed that he allowed you to plant into Michael's heart at the end of the discussion, all the way into Iman.

[@yasminhussain2283]

It's so embarrassing how they answer like they totally illiterate and brainwashed. It's like the ignore the questions. I would go and hide. So embarassing

[@lilyannal5159]

Did i hear Hamza said he is Phd holder/study? Yet his style of debate is like a person have education level of fifth grade schooling, right? Over talking, continually distributing in middle of sentences, framing talk, gaslighting,....

[@lilyannal5159]

@@yasminhussain2283 I agree is so embarrassing to see the brainwashing of pro-Hamas/Palestinians talking. Ex. Hamza, it debated with uneducated teenager. He thinks over and gaslighting are winning tactic?

[@lilyannal5159]

@@yasminhussain2283 Hamza's tactic is bully and gaslighting style. If U consider that a winning style, U are deploying a psychopath tactical move my friends. I saw a lot of them since Israel-Hamas war.

[@abdulaiseidu3398]

​@ThePaahchan you're right he is rather the fifth grader , a troll and a liar who hates Hamza ,also zionist supporter

[@aishax01]

Defending genocide is so insane...may Allah forgive us ❤

[@victoriagates4017]

There is no Allah

[@nobodyisborngayislam]

Provide evidence for your claim?

[@I.Davids786]

​@@victoriagates4017Then you don't exist....which makes you a bot😂😂😂

[@FactsWithActs]

​@@victoriagates4017Allah exists unlike your brain

[@Adnan-gz4zk]

​@@victoriagates4017 you have no evidence for that claim so stay shut.

[@OGSunnylicious]

This is the first time I am introduced to Hamza and I'm very impressed!

[@osmansaid4601]

Where have you been last twenty years

[@LA19764]

You set a low bar. He doesn’t shut up

[@MohammadNohman]

Masha'Allah brother Hamza completely dismantled the opposition. It was a pleasure meeting you in Birmingham. May Allah bless you and your efforts.

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 02:58 Mark *argues that using the term "genocide" to describe Israel's war on Gaza is nonsensical, emphasizing the historical context and expressing disappointment in Gaza's chosen path.* 03:53 Hamza *presents his case for labeling Israel's actions as genocide, referring to the Genocide Convention of 1948 and citing over 100 genocidal statements from Israeli ministers and leaders.* 11:10 Mark *contends that the conflict wasn't Israel's plan and emphasizes the shift in dynamics after the events of October 7, leading to a loss of belief in deterrence.* 14:06 Mark *predicts that the war will continue until Hamas unconditionally surrenders, highlighting the changed perception in Israel after October 7.* 18:38 Hamza *challenges Mark's view, accusing him of racism or ignorance for not condemning Israel's actions and pointing out an alleged moral asymmetry.* 24:31 Hamza *insists on the genocidal nature of statements from Israeli leaders, questioning the morality of supporting such an entity.* 25:53 H *argues that Israel's traumatic event on October 7th doesn't justify its actions. He criticizes Israel's alleged lies and challenges the notion that Gazans should trust known liars.* 34:19 The *debate shifts to the bombing of Northern Gaza. Mark defends Israel's warnings, citing leaflets, phone calls, and text messages as evidence of attempts to minimize civilian casualties.* 40:11 Mark *questions why Israel would provide resources to Gaza before 2023 if it was evil. H argues that the control over Gaza's resources proves it's not an independent state, emphasizing the impact of Israeli policies.* 47:48 H *asserts that, legally, Israel has no right to defend itself due to its status as an illegal occupier. He contends that resistance against an occupying force is allowed under international law.* 48:13 Gaza *is considered occupied by Israel under international law due to its control over resources, despite settlers leaving. H argues that the resistance is valid under international law.* 50:11 Dr. *Humphrys sees the two-state solution as dead, attributing its failure to issues like settlements and the belief that any agreed border would lead to more war. He expresses pessimism about the future and the lack of a clear plan.* 56:45 Hamza *Tzortzis emphasizes the need to dismantle apartheid-like systems, stop illegal occupation, and pursue a non-genocidal approach for peace. He challenges the "othering" language and calls for justice and the exploration of historical peaceful coexistence under Islamic rule.* Made with HARPA AI

[@beebee4172]

He's a shame to the Irish. Honestly. Heartbreaking.

[@MissnewsReporter]

Right we love the Irish people and most of them support palestine. I will not let this man change my mind. I love the Irish people. ❤🇵🇸🇮🇪

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

The world's still knows that the Irish are on the correct side of history here. To hell with this genocide apologist.

[@tnn5729]

There's dumb people in every ;cultures;. you shouldn't be ashamed of being Irish. .😊

[@Rogue_Console]

Watching Hamza debate made me feel 15 years younger again.,

[@zakattack901]

Absolutely phenomenal performance by Hamza! Speaking factually in the the face of weak zio lies and propaganda!

[@malvolio01]

LOL. You sound like a Nazi. Btw, these so-called facts were nonsense.

[@TheMarlinlask]

I love how he talks over the guy and changes the suvject every two minutes, awful debate,

[@shamasrasool6069]

@@TheMarlinlaskthe framing of the Zionist, when he said Palestinian being at fault for their situation didn’t bother you? “It’s the ideas in the head” Hamza Tzortzis didn’t have the right to reframe? What is this bias analysis?

[@dannysmits9706]

Hamza is very far from the only one making sense. This is a case of 3 countries against the entire world.

[@TheMarlinlask]

are you texting me, i have no idea what you are talking about? this debate was terrible I couldn't finish it. @@shamasrasool6069

[@sleeps3925]

I'm shocked how honest he is around 16:00. "We wouldn't have to kill you if you just gave up your dreams and let us conquer you for our ethno-supremacist state!"

[@parvezislam5793]

Missed brother Hamza’s debate techniques for a long time. BarakAllah!

[@jennnewman6444]

I’ve observed so many times now when there is a discussion of both sides of this issue it goes exactly the same. From my view, one side is making factual, valuable points and the other is flip flopping all over the place trying to justify the unjustifiable! How do we address the issue if only one party is making sense and the other isn’t listening??

[@kingfillins4117]

All we saw was an aggressive person pushing opinion. Notice when he was proven wrong he got more aggressive. His first rebuttals was calling him racist. That he’s not Irish. Grotesque. Like calling a republican black American not really black. An “Uncle Tom” etc. that’s racism. Personal attacks are an admission of him losing the debate.

[@Elbasilius]

He is making "valuable points and making sense" only because you agree with him. This is called a biased view.

[@RedElite69]

@@kingfillins4117 Being aggressive is irrelevant in debate. Personal attacks are wrong only if they are the ONLY things being thrown at the opponent. But this wasn't the case and we've seen it repeatedly whether its on here or whether its Norman Finkelstein debating. Israelis are consistently failing and losing support.

[@Maria_d1988]

​@@Elbasiliushow? The Irish guy had no sources and he was saying things that have been debunked already by Israel themselves

[@Elbasilius]

@@Maria_d1988 100% even if he gave his sources, you would still discredit him and his information source. This is nothing new. Theres no point debatting. Both sides just talk in circles at this poin

[@dylberzylali5065]

Norman Finkelstein would call this guy “ sleezebag”… period

[@genevievesampler3702]

Absolutely, and he probably won't debate Norman Finklestien, however Hamza still won this debate hands down

[@genevievesampler3702]

Mark Humphrey is disgraceful hands down.

[@gsp3428]

coming from finklestein, that would be a compliment.

[@RawJewel]

So according to Humphrys, just accept your life in an open air prison!

[@BarbaraRenovato]

Really! He just suggests Palestinians under severe oppression , periodic unprovoked "mowing the lawn" massacres by shootings and bombings, hundreds of children and adults kidnapped in nightly raids and taken to Israeli prison dungeons without charge and no legal representation indefinitely where they are tortured beaten and raped and many killed, and unable to travel outside the borders freely and endless military checkpionts and surveillance...he suggests Palestinians just accept this occupation and not complain and not resist the injustice and just stay quiet and accept their hopeless lives under apartheid!

[@turboleggy]

How was it Open Air? They have a sea on one side and Egypt on the other side.

[@liamegan171]

I would like to extend an apology on behalf of the Irish people regarding Humphrys. Please be assured that his offensive views are not representative of the majority in Ireland, or globally. Observing him falter, squirm and inadvertently reveal the falsehoods he has long propagated, with little opposition, was indeed satisfying. Well done Hamza

[@TheEliteSniper1231]

Allahuma barik. May Allah ﷻ reward you habibi hamza, you did amazing!

[@deathstroke334]

Hamza looked him dead in the eye at the end and called him either ignorant or racist and he didn't even blink. May Allah protect and preserve him.

[@Not-a-GSD]

The proper description would be a willfully ignorant racist.

[@asasjsajs]

Ameen.

[@abdallaMoa]

15:55 the fact the he says: "...although I deny it is genocide" tells his blatant hypocrisy.

[@jahsunhandy]

Israel has not been trying to rescue hostages, nor destroy Hamas, But rather the entire population of GAZA. Mark is off the mark.

[@jazzman1904]

It's clearly not genocide. The Palestinian population has exploded in the last 16 years. The definition of genocide began with the slaughter of 6 million Jews.

[@mohammedumar3252]

Mashallah Brother Hamza is an inspiration for us All

[@87229]

‘With truth, falsehood perishes’… like my brain when the doctor spoke. Hamza, may Allah bless you brother.

[@kamranmehboob8156]

no aggression, no anger, no bad words, just pure knowledge

[@Ishtarthemoon]

‘Not in my universe’. Man just admitted international law doesn’t apply to him. It’s only used conditionally when they want an excuse to kill or oppress people.

[@DaboooogA]

Nor does international law apply to Muslims, as there is only one law to be followed in Islam.

[@MartinRamsbottom-is2bl]

What are you talking about, palistianians? Iseal arnt committing genocide or any other atrocities. Their defending their right to exist. Hamas is constantly screaming they want to kill all Jews. What on earth are they to do?? Muslims make me laugh as well as the liberal progressives who support them, that neither have a clue how much of a torment Islam is on the world. We Christians are thee most persecuted people on the planet and a huge amount are killed for their faith. A Christian is killed every two hours . Plus an enormous 80% of all Christians killed are killed by Muslims and no one says a word!! No one gives a crap! Islam is a stain on the world and im just glad the west is now waking up to what Islam is. Italy gave total power to a woman prime minister who's stated she will stop Muslims coming west and she is against islamisation of Italy . Holland gave huge power to a number 2 whos also said the same thing and also stated he's going to stop Islamic influence on any politics in Holland. Also Germany looks like going the same way.

[@luiz.nazario]

What "International Law"? This is a fantasy, a Palestinian propaganda slogan, nobody knows what "Internacional Law" means. There are thausand of "International Laws".

[@Hiberno_sperg]

In reality international law is absolute nonsense

[@Ishtarthemoon]

if you're completely uneducated on the subject, you can just say so.@@luiz.nazario

[@mohammedikram1250]

A true scholar and someone who walked into the studio. Unprepared and completely dismantled at every point. May Allah bless our brother Hamza, a lion by name and by nature.

[@enesneza]

Well-done brother Hamza. Your speech shows that the truth is always more powerful than hundreds of lies.

[@IbnSulaimanAlAkhyar]

Shukran Hamza for challenging the moderator about allowing lies.

[@harunbasha2798]

Unfortunate it has to be debated, shameless

[@AmicableAgnostic]

Yeh, just like debating whether sleeping with 9 year old girl or killing a gay & an apostate is right or wrong?

[@muath1401]

​@@AmicableAgnosticyou mean just like Jeffrey Epstein and his western friends from high positions in their societies?

[@sh-en2gy]

Finally I was waiting for it!

[@ibka1984]

"Is a child a Hamas fighter?" "Well..."

[@abdulgaffoorsungay5415]

I haven't seen someone intellectually master and beat their opposition like hamza just did to this other person. This is brilliant. Great work from hamza.

[@hansjochen7469]

I am going to be honest, hamzas opponent was more like me when i started my first presentation in school, i was bad😂

[@imammurrahyoungerbrother]

This guy kept saying. Gaza is not occupied but, can’t poof it

[@abooismail]

“Gaza could have been a resort on the sea” (for tourists). Say Whaaaat! How do you have a tourism business for outside visitors when the entire area was under a blockade, noted to be the a huge open air prison and later called the largest concentration camp.

[@elielinka9156]

Why is it blockaded? Maybe if they stop shooting missiles into Israel there would be no blockade

[@turboleggy]

Idk ask Egypt? 🤷 I guess probably because they don't want any Shia movements there.

[@karimsaid2248]

​​@@turboleggy Shia?!! Are you just throwing around words that you are ignorant of?

[@sajid279]

How can palestinians change their ideas about israel when israel keeps on grabbing land of palestine these continuous wound on dignity can never allow palestinians see israel as a beneficiary... Gaza and west bank in united by the same feeling .

[@TruthPal0403]

Hamza should have asked him, why Europeans didn't change their ideas accordingly with the Nazi concepts, and just live "in peace and prosperity" under the rule of Hitler? They could save a lot of deaths.

[@ttotto3333]

Brother Hamza, thank you. You have represented us in the best

[@faldieladevries8755]

I am a proud South African that can state that if it was not for our struggle we would still have been under an apartheid state. Why dnt this guy want to accept international law that Palestine is being occupied by ISREAL

[@hassanmohamed277]

I salute you 😢and feel very sympathetic to you Mr Hamza in dealing and having a sensible dialogue with this Psycho dodgy liar

[@kristandevries4835]

Life is hard because of people like that. 😢

[@rohimabegum3772]

Thank you brother Hamza! Highly appreciated ❤

[@noorsamen6698]

From Palestine we salute you our brother Hamzah ❤

[@Khalid-Haji]

We love you ❤ 🇵🇸

[@SkillsFx]

Hamza bro you're my favorite intellectual I love to listen to, simply because of how you conduct yourself, base your statements on facts and stand up for the truth. Much love for you brother

[@messagetohumanity6626]

Great Job by our brother Hamza. May Allah reward our brother for stating nothing but facts.

[@fartuunmohamed1965]

May Allah bless you and protect you, may Allah make it easy for the Palestinian people🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@teresamcmud2605]

Allah isnt doing much to protect the people of Gaza. Perhaps it doesnt exist? If "he" wanted to, "he" would.

[@endtimes0]

Defending genocide is a lost battle from the get-go. What is this person even thinking?

[@ippynjayaycrazykids]

Well spoken HAMZA much respect ❤

[@MZH47]

One thing that conversations like these really drive home is the fact that truly it isn't the eyes that cannot see, but the hearts that are blind.

[@fairnews4038]

This guy is a serious danger for our society. How can you try to protect a state that kills children.

[@Namqula]

Has the irish disowned him yet?

[@stephendoherty981]

No but we will now. He's an outlier. Very few like this in Ireland. Apologies for him.

[@Namqula]

@@stephendoherty981 👍

[@mike88609]

​@@stephendoherty981thank you God bless 🕊️🙏🕊️

[@JamshedBaor]

When you know that its wrong, and people know it's wrong, yet you still defend your evilness. nice one Mr. Humphrys

[@mohdakeeb1268]

May Allah protect our bother and teacher Ustadh Hamza for exposing the occupiers and give him good in this world and in the hereafter. Ameen

[@HemsK-zl7xm]

Need more debates like this, they are so sheltered and deep in their prejudice and parrot pro Izrl Lobby

[@michellenorris8471]

Well done!! Hamza Tzortzis, you wiped the floor with Mark Humphrys!!

[@genevievesampler3702]

I agree

[@tedoymisojos]

He barely let Mark speak. This wasn't well done at all. We are supposed to see two viewpoints not just listen to one speaker use the whole time alloted.

[@benarfaofficial]

​@@tedoymisojosThe other speaker wasn't even attempting to answer anything he was dogding all the questions

[@Not-a-GSD]

@@tedoymisojos Dr Mark spoke nearly half the time. Mark only repeated Zionist propaganda and never provided any independent sources to back up his arguments.

[@imammurrahyoungerbrother]

Where is this Zionist from 😅? Didn’t he knew who Hamza is?

[@Truthlogicfacts]

A lot of dishonesty from Humphrey while blaming the victims for being victims.

[@zsmusic4321]

At least he admitted they are genocidal statements. Which means there is genocidal intent.

[@baseeransari7198]

That guy was on the backfoot since the beginning, and rightly so. Defending genocide is never human.

[@angelosaleh8344]

JazakAllah Khair, Akhi Hamza. ❤️

[@emelerdem4693]

Incredibly deep knowledge and performance. Thank you, brother Hamza!

[@lucaswilliams2835]

the Arabs and Muslims debating and in the chat are entirely uneducated on their own kind. more than 500,000 Syrians have been killed by their own Muslim brothers, 350,000 in Yemen. Not to mention Iraq etc. all wartorn internally. What you fashion based religious people do not understand is the facts. There are 100s of active mosques in Israel, there are more than 2million Palestinians living without war in Israel. There are Arabs in Israeli parliament and supreme court. How many jews to this effect in Palestine ? ... not even 1. This is a war tht was started by Hamas. A grpup whos sol aim is to wipe out Israel and the jews...they openly admit it. and you hear nothing about all of this from the Muslims. Oh... by the way, 1 more fact for you... how many Arab countries/nations have taken in Palestinian refugees? Maybe Egypt?? they border Palestine, right? ZERO Arab nations have allowed even a single Palestinian into their country. Learn the facts before you spout rubbish. You only educate yourselves on biased agenda channels and sites. learn before you speak 💯 👌

[@findmeahandle]

Why do we even need to argue for this. Its happening right infront of our eyes.

[@makaveliangel87]

The host was great and let Hamza say his piece without cutting him off. And a great final speech by Hamza.. a knock out blow 🥊

[@DaEpic]

Subhan Allah wa bihamdihi Subhan Allah al-Azim It means : Glory be to Allah and His is the praise Glory is to Allah, the Almighty

[@victoriagates4017]

There is only one God and he has nothing to do With Hamas Islamist Rapist murdering terrorists. Open a Bible and save yourself.

[@waasgreen]

= Light on the tounge but heavy on the scales of the day of judgement

[@PaperPizza]

@@victoriagates4017 thank you hasbara bot now can you tell me about them pedos in Israel?

[@AsifAlli]

I dont have patience for these conversations while people are literally dying.

[@dribnfarooq]

Do you guys know, what is the good thing even the anchor knows who is knowledgeable , brave, etc... #Love you brother Hamza

[@thehatman3089]

This wasn't even a debate, Hamza was the teacher and Dr M was the student. 😂😂😂 Hamza owned him 💯.

[@Not-a-GSD]

Dr M was a sleeping student that wasn’t paying attention.

[@tedoymisojos]

You failed as a moderator. One of your speakers used most of the time allotted, and barely let the other one speak; then complained he didn't adressed certain topics. Come on. I think maybe these conversations need to have a moderator that can literally mute the speakers by shutting down their microphone.

[@kamer54]

The question is how much one gets payed to defend genocide and humiliate Himself in return?

[@habboUdviseren]

I wish that I could be taught by Hamza, Mohammed, Adnan, Subboor, Abdullah and all the others. Or at least have some of the knowledge they possess. It's amazing how eloquent you guys speak and formulate your thoughts. Insha'Allah, I will surpass you!

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Yes, learn the art of taqqiya

[@rashidaquil5284]

Oct 7 happened due to 1948 to Oct 6 2023

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Right, so to summarize that history. In 1948 Arab countries rejected a reasonable two state solution and invaded Israel, with the explicit objective of ethnically cleansing the Jews. They are humiliatingly defeated. Then in 1967 Egypt breaks their agreement with Israel and starts military buildup in Sinai. Israel defeats them in another war. Then Arabs start the Yom Kippur War in 1973, which is more successful for Arabs but they still lose. The entire history since 48 seems to be Arabs starting wars, losing, then whining that they lost land in wars.

[@jamilafridi18]

You just won many hearts, Sir. It was an informative debate with a calm tone. You're the tiger like Muhammad Hijab and others. May Allah make you 50 times more stronger than the existing Hamza. Stay blessed 🙌.

[@shelaghcampbell7635]

Maybe if Dr Humphry’s was locked in a cage for a few weeks not allowed to go anywhere he would feel it a little oppressive, freedom to live is a right not a gift.

[@ashifhassandev]

I noticed your beard has grown. It's good. Free Palestine 🇵🇸.

[@MohebbiIraniMohammadhossein]

"The last 102 days are staining our shared humanity" . Long Live Palestine. Long Live Yemen.

[@DawahMotivation]

A much needed conversation. Challenge the current narrative and creating fresh ones. Jzk khayr bro

[@josephine4611]

100%.. we need to challenge this Oct 7th being an attack, when it was a resistance for 75 yrs of brutal 0ccupati0n..

[@Not-a-GSD]

@@josephine4611 The 7th of October can be considered an attack because it was, fueled by decades of oppression and war crimes committed by Israel. But, the continental war crimes committed for the decades prior to the 7th of October and after by Israel needs to be addressed by the UNSC (whit not vetos by the US and the UK), the ICJ and ICC.

[@harbuzi1234]

Brother Hamza, please can you upload your talk you did last week in London/Birmingham please. Jazakallah

[@IsmailKamdar]

The closing remarks by Br. Hamza here are especially important. Make sure you take time to listen to his closing statement carefully, it is an excellent summary of what Muslims are striving for.

[@jonathanbuckenmyer4888]

Calling someone a racist over and over again. Amazing. Imagine if the other guy just replied with "are you a pedo?" Given that Hamzas beloved prophet slept with a 9 year old girl.

[@LA19764]

Complete world domination and sharia law?

[@Syedvlogs93]

@@LA19764free Palestine

[@tmr.mohsin8020]

Badly needed video. Was waiting... excited to watch. ❤❤

[@manuelafonseca2554]

He is a mouth piece for Israel.

[@michaelbegley4693]

I watched this video hoping for actual arguments but what I got was one guy just continually interrupting because he knows the fact-checks won’t work in his favor.

[@mhmdbnbdslm5378]

Ironic that the host made a mistake when he mentioned the number of killed children saying "eleven houndred" when in reality it is more than ELEVEN THOUSAND children killed.