History, genocide and Israel’s war on Gaza: Mehdi Hasan & Benny Morris | Head to Head

In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges prominent Israeli historian Benny Morris on his support for Israel’s war on Gaza, the history around the founding of Israel and the Nakba.
Morris’ book ‘The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949’ dismantled many of the myths behind the displacement of more than 700,000 Palestinians during that period. His critics, however, say he now justifies many of those crimes.
Hasan and Morris are joined by a panel of three experts:
Diana Buttu - a Palestinian lawyer and former advisor for the PLO
Daniel Levy - a former Israeli peace negotiator and current President of the US/ Middle East Project
Emmanuel Navon - an International Relations lecturer at Tel Aviv University
This was filmed before the assassination of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Iran on 31 July.
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[@usmanzaib574]

Let them speak, they expose themselves shamelessly.

[@SadaK-tr6dm]

Everyone knows today that Israel is a terrorist organisation.

[@guyclass7661]

Not really

[@SadaK-tr6dm]

@@usmanzaib574 Trey have been stealing and lying for 8 decades. But the mountain of their lies is crumbling now.

[@tintunton2330]

Their arrogance is sky high. Their disregard for human life and values is not hidden

[@chriskappler3321]

Medhi Hasan got bodied, that's why he had to keep interrupting him

[@mohamedlaghmouch7589]

Did I just witness a French immigrant tell a Palestinian woman “(..) this is our land”.

[@CallThemAllOut]

I know these people are shameless and he only moved there in 1993 for work

[@bwanikakigudde7321]

Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.

[@echoe4806]

He is actually right.The land was called Judeea way before the Arab invasion of 7th century

[@yusifhuseini]

​@@echoe4806living in a place doesn't make it your land. The land existed before Jacob was born. You are a thief, and you will say anything justify your thievery.

[@Yalla12347]

@@echoe4806 white people born in Europe when asked to do a DNA test get scared but still claim jewish heritage and claim right over a land while those who have heritage in the land and are one of the semitic faiths and were living there for thousands of years suddenly loose that right? By that logic All americans should move back to europe and the indigenous population should have complete control over America. No wonder they say being white means simply not bright

[@mikemike7096]

Emmanuel Navon a French Jew who immigrated to Israel in 1993 is telling a Palestinian woman who has roots in the land for 1000s of years " We didn't come to you, This is our land" is the biggest joke is the history of mindkind

[@thedetective999two6]

1000s of years? did you not watch the video?

[@hothdog]

@@thedetective999two6 he did

[@thedetective999two6]

@@hothdog hundreds of years, not thousands

[@CesarMendoza-tn3of]

And where do you think Emmanuel Navon ancestors come from?

[@ericmarshall5653]

For the record Al Jazeera is funded by terror organizations through Qatar. Also research is not based on one person. There's something called a sample size. Also I think archeology and not Islamic fundamentalists determines that Jews lived in Israel before Allah became a thing. Such BS no wonder why Yemen Syria Sudan Somalia are shitholes infested with the same ideology being preached by Hatemas and Hizbullshit. Israel is a miracle surrounded by hate but we are not going anywhere 🇺🇲💪🇮🇱💯🩵

[@CS-os1yt]

"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals." Edward Snowden

[@joshswagerty7142]

When those who commit crimes are enemies of those who also commit crimes with those who rule both sides indeed commits crime you may live in either Israel or perhaps Chicago. -Josh Swagerty

[@emmettmckenna9894]

The audience all bursting out laughing when Benny Morris says they haven't bombed any hospitals is the kind of humor I needed

He's technically correct. Hospitals have not been destroyed by aerial bombs. But they have been hit by shelling, especially in cases where there has been active combat in the viscinity of hospitals or in the hospitals themselves. There has been ample evidence that Hamas has operated from within hospitals - maybe not as giant command centers, but they are definitely using them.

[@moshesass7043]

I appreciate your sensibility, you are very alone in this comment section

[@Nate.Guwop33]

Lie after lie after lie… keep watching cnn or fox

@@Nate.Guwop33 Maybe, just maybe.... it's you who is being lied to?

[@user-ri4wb7gd7g]

Morris having Dimensia ???

[@johnwashington9292]

Having fought as an infantryman in the Vietnam War, I know that you don’t conduct insurgencies by dropping 2,000-pound bombs and white phosphorus munitions on masses of civilians. If that is your battlefield doctrine, then it is obvious that your intent is genocidal. When my unit made contact inside villages, we could not call in artillery or air strikes and had to rely on helicopter gunships for precision targeting to avoid civilian deaths. My unit had to do the job the hard way by taking casualties while searching in the hooches, trenches, tunnels, and bunkers to get each enemy combatant with as few collateral deaths as possible. But the IDF’s target is the people.

[@xc43t]

How can you say such things against the most moral army in the world? I am of course emulating the stupidest views of IDF defenders. There really is no logical explanation other than they simply do not care about dead people. Israelis use so called Hanibal directive. They are allowed to use whatever force they want and kill their own people if necessary. It is not debated in the west but it is public knowledge in other parts of the world. They would rather kill their own people if there is a chance they would be captured. It is completely mental. If they do this to their own people, clearly they do not care what they are doing to their enemies.

[@pauldupont8051]

It takes a lot to make the US in Vietnam look good

[@MrChaosi]

@@BobcatSmokey SO THE IDF IS A BUNCH OF LAZY HONORLESS MURDERS?.. GOT IT.

[@boredom5132]

@@johnwashington9292 2 million civilians died in Vietnam and the U.S. didn’t achieve its goals at all, committed tons of war crimes, Agent orange and napalm destroyed large swathes of the countryside and cities like Huế were virtually destroyed. Vietnam is one of the worst examples you could use to try to make your point, whether you were there or not.

[@canitbethat]

The invasion of Gaza is not an "insurgency," nor a "counterinsurgency." It's a full-blown war. If you fought in the Vietnam War, you know that intensive bombing was part of that war as well. The US used both white phosphorous bombs and 2,000 lb. bombs in Vietnam, and while estimates of civilian deaths in the war vary, it was probably 1-3 million. That's on the order of the entire population of Gaza, not the 2% of the population that Hamas says has been killed in the current war. You participated in a war that killed on the order of 50x as many civilians as the war in Gaza -- do you accuse yourself and the US of "g-cide?"

[@davidspivak8343]

15:11 The zionists arrived on the scene, and said "we're willing to share your land", the Palestinians said "no", and this justifies ethnic cleansing? Then can someone share someone else's house in the same way? I don't understand this logic.

[@Jungomeztv]

There is no Palestine going back in history which country was conquered by Babylonian during the ancient times, it mentions Israel, when roman invaded the holy land which country mentioned Israel, Palestine never mentioned because Islam without lies will die

[@pheeel17]

No, what he says is that the ethnic cleansing took part in the context of the 1948 War. The Arabs were trying to wipe out the Jews, either kill them or remove them. Israelis were trying to do the same. Well, Israel won. If Palestinians didn't want to be removed, maybe they shouldn't have started that war. They literally were offered a state of their own, but they rejected that because they couldn't accept the existence of a Jewish state. It's laughable to me that one would attack their neighbor but then be surprised that this neighbor would expel them. And remember the Arabs would have done the same if not worse. Furthermore, the majority of the 700,000 had fled as is normal in war. Most were not forcibly expelled

[@RobPires]

Maybe you have to first see Palestinians as a lesser being, then will only you understand old Benny here.

[@Draconian8]

You mean the British Mandate of Palestine?

[@abdouahamada8122]

They should go back to Europe

[@Squidmalion]

My ancestors were the indigenous people of what is now called Canada. We called it Mi'kma'ki. The French pioneers who came in the 1500s started families with the indigenous people to form a new race, the Acadian. There were no borders between the native tribes and the colonial villages. They were a peaceful merger of two peoples. We were exterminated by the British for refusing to assist them in their colonial warfare. Thousands of my people were killed simply for being born Acadian. Very few of us now remain, and history continues to hide our story. Please listen to those of us who are survivors of historical genocide and stand against those who justify invasion and murder. DEFUND ISRAEL NOW!

[@CBoogieLA]

Kamala just refunded🙄

[@blitzvgc2363]

did your people start a war get wrecked and break peace treaty's over and over?

[@DanChesney-vd6ue]

Sigh - This isn't about you. Also, judging by your picture, your ancestors must have been that rare blonde, white looking native tribe that was constantly confused with French and English people...

[@user-id5xf3qm3k]

Please look up these suras, or what you mentioned will repeat itself.

Well, 'indigenous' means you got there before the europeans. That's all. That doesnt' give you some right to. the entire land mass.

[@ElijahGabsi]

The most ironic thing he said is “the kid in Gaza will grow and understand that Hamas caused this” What about every orphan Israel created before October 7th throughout the decades !

[@romsquadfishing9720]

You mean Hamas killed his parents, sisters, brothers, cousins and so on... I thought they were Israelis doing this killing but maybe you are looking at Israeli TV where Netanyahu is not a war criminal but a National hero!!

[@graceryan9212]

​@@romsquadfishing9720So true 👍

[@melloLL4722]

True, they will never forget...

[@daves465]

@@ElijahGabsi Arabs blame the Jews for anything bad that they experience. Not only Palestinian Arabs, all Arabs blame the Jews for their shortcomings and failures. There will be peace when the Arabs can take responsibility for their actions.

[@Megaminddominator]

And how many Orphans did Islamic terrorists create in India. You are in no position to play victim Card. I see why God of Israel is cruel too because People goes shaitanic mode and hypocrites. Shame on you blackstone worshippers

[@mehrdadyektaparast1368]

“Did anyone died because of lack of food and water”!! Look at these monsters

[@razanalray]

Its like netanyahu. ”The hostage are suffering but not dying”

[@RobPires]

@@razanalrayhis real name is Benjamin Mileikowsky. He also said no civilians were deleted. In front of a clapping us congress.

[@maxuser1221]

"We will go nowhere".... meanwhile living in London Paris Amsterdam... [simply palestinians say - your land is ours and my land is never to be shared]

[@bwow6800]

@@RobPires that's also not his real name. They change their name to blend in to whatever region they invade. Tgen they get exiled and repeat tge process elsewhere

[@mehrdadyektaparast1368]

@@maxuser1221 do you share your house with a stranger? Palestinians Jews and Christian’s lived in Palestine 🇵🇸 for generations without any issue up until 1948 when Zionists decided to colonize Palestine.

[@muslimbtim9071]

Majority of Israelis live in a bubble that is seperate from reality. This historian is clearly living in that bubble.

[@aquelegabriel]

Well, actually his job requires him to not. He's not living in the bubble. He's helping to construct and enforce the bubble. He's building the narratives they teach to kids, to make sure they never poke their noses out of the bubble. And when people see the bubble walls, he's writing the arguments for the bubble. The Israeli civilian, who only learned about history in his school, never questioned anything, and then followed his life, acknowledging only what their parents and his media told them, THEY are living in a bubble. You can bring those people to see reality. But the people who defend and build the bubble? Those are opponents.

[@gilramon4]

Yes you right, I live in Israel 🇮🇱, money like garbage, beautiful women, legal Kannabis and alcohol. From 7 of October it is the best place to live.

[@mikeyankofsky8003]

A bubble made of American tax dollars!

[@EastBayFlipper]

Rome thought the barbarians were inferior until they looked up at them. The difference is Israel was already were ready to use nuclear weapons, regardless of the probability of global thermonuclear war as a doomsday plan. "Destroy the land if we can't have it" If you're an invader, there nothing to lose in destroying an invaded land since you can return to your own country after. From the river to the sea, Palestine and all peoples will be free and equal under the law.

[@chrisperez3614]

@@gilramon4too bad it won’t exist in 15 years unless they radically transform their society. Many experts across multiple disciplines think Israel is destroying it’s future .

[@petarkrsmanovic9166]

Benny is completely right when he said that this is not an interview.

[@pakese30]

No it’s him proving that he can’t argue his own words have actual merit. Israel just preemptively attacked another country 3 times in a row for supposed self defence, preemptive attacks is not defending itself, it’s attempting to orchestrate a wider war and they know they’ll be protected as already evidenced by America moving ships and a submarine into place.

[@annieyesiam2758]

its them just laughing at him for no reason and disrespecting him horrible audience

[@assafuri4075]

When you are not educated on facts the best thing you can do is laugh ​@annieyesiam2758

[@pakese30]

@@annieyesiam2758 stupidity deserves laughter, a multiple time author does not know what the word famine means? And please don’t use the fact English won’t be his first language, he’s a well educated man who’s spent significant time in the west. Trying to pretend you don’t know anything about the multiple points put to him as well as not knowing the meaning of famine yet understands the meaning of starvation is utter bs!

[@petarkrsmanovic9166]

I want to clarify that I am on palestinian side of the conflict but this is not a way to have a debate

[@Motorfreek1969]

"Nakba 1948, 750000 Palestinians driven from their homes or murdered!!!!!!!!!"

[@brendongriffin4164]

No one knows that better than Benny Morris. He's written books about it. He just thinks it's cool.

[@kochintales5245]

you mean all people in israel and palstine were killed??

[@deepblack2193]

It’s true that they never strive for peace they are their own downfall and none their neighbours want them

[@politicas3361]

The "catastrophe" refers to the fact that they failed to genocide the Jews - not that they were displaced.

[@pranteranaud3617]

​@politicas3361 Exactly. The attacking armies told them to leave and they would be able to come back with even more land once they destroyed the evil " Jews. " That didn't go as planned. Now they label it the " Nakba ". 😂

[@user-qc2gy2lt3m]

Benny admitted that Hamas is not existential threat to Israel because it's tiny organization.Why does then Netanyahu along with his cabinet call Hamas existential threat to Israel?

[@deficrypto1234]

Israel has never faced an existential threat. In may 1948, Gurion asked the head of Hagannah what are their chances in a war. He said "50-50'. In 67 every US and Israeli intelligence stated they would win the war in 7-10 days. During the 48 war, the European Jewish Zionist settlers fielded more fighting men than all the Arab armies combined. Israel today is a nuclear power and the 4 th strongest military .

[@sevdijelika7365]

How can an author not know the definition of FAMINE ??? He's either a real numbskull or in great denial

[@LiiRAE.]

believe it or not, all jews don't have the same opinions.

[@nj1638]

NetanYahoo would consider being cut off in traffic an existential threat and antisemitic. He’s a liar and an exaggerator. He’s tells many tales.

[@abdc2990]

Have you considered that Benny and Netanyahu have different opinions? Like did that cross your mind?

[@angelvaldez8048]

I'm an American Indian. Does anyone here think we endured a genocide? We're completely left out of history.

[@tpastoncooper]

Hi, I'm from the UK and I believe you all endured a terrible genocide. My heart goes out to you all.

[@jamesxenophon9505]

You can't change the past, but if you're an American citizen you can do your best to stop your government facilitating exactly the same thing in Israel.

[@crawlingcrabs8306]

I wish there was something we could do as Americans to repay your ancestors for what mine did to yours. As a single, unimportant citizen of this country, there is realistically not much we can do to alter U.S. policy. But I hope I can convince you to vote. If you can convince two others to vote, then they each convince two others to vote, eventually it will make a difference. This is a generational fight that neither of us can win if we just give up if the next elections doesn't go our way. Politicians only care about votes, because votes=money. If we can prove that they will lose enough votes for their policies, they will change, but it won't happen in one cycle. It takes persistence. Keep voting brother, not just for president, but all the way down, Senator, State Representative, City Council, School Board, etc.

[@tedmusson5179]

@angelvaldez8048 Well Angel, before reading your post, I had already questioned the German-Jewish genocide at six million Jews and another six million of commie's and Romani's etc being listed as greatest while Turtle Island genocide which was estimated at fifty-five million as not being the largest. Ironically, that likely reflects the power of i$rae£i propaganda, which ironically largely Jewish ei, (Electronic Intafada) accuses of being complicit with hitler nazi's. Benny Morris here is defending i$rae£ which is the most criminal racist operation on earth today.

[@tedmusson5179]

​@jamesxenophon9505 Meanwhile you can "change the past" perceptively, like ameriKKKa does, with dishonest propaganda. Lies and exclusions.

[@deanjenkins3077]

Listening channel supported by Iran is like listening propaganda built by Goebbels.

[@nas8318]

I wouldn't have compared Morris to Goebbels, but now that you say it...

[@Britishrailwaystories]

“They may be discriminated against in certain ways” - mental. Absolutely mental.

[@candacemildred9906]

is there any society where there is no discrimination?

[@Simon-i6m]

Yes there is , which why humans strive to better themselves by viewing such behaviour in contempt and disgust ​@@candacemildred9906

[@walterlichtenberg9846]

​@@candacemildred9906What's your point? If so, to what degree and is it therefore okay?

[@MohammedAli-ng7rm]

Talk about discrimination in Arabic countries.

[@hoangquang4241]

Everywhere has discrimination. Stop fooling yourself

[@TheHamlet64]

Daniel Levy called it! Don’t expected different talking points from Israel. Israel doesn’t need to be honest given the impunity they enjoy internally and external partner’s insure.

[@garyrotman7143]

Daniel Levy is wrong. he not understanding basic point. if a group of people who live amongst you want you dead , then i am sorry you either leave the area that uN gave me or live peacefully because me.

[@JennyBrie2006]

​​@@garyrotman7143how do you expect to leave with guards guarding the exits and a wall surrounding you on two sides and an ocean on the third side and cameras everywhere? Let's not forget fishermen are killed if they go out too far. You are like a caged guinea pig for Israel's spy and torture campaign! Instead of police over seeing you, the IDF who can barge into your house at 3 AM to question and torture your family! You live in a dream world where there is peace with Israeli occupation.

[@marcinbenedek789]

@@garyrotman7143 Plan Dalet started before the Israeli-Arab War... so Palestinians were attacked before - by your logic it is them who should be able to cleanse the area, are you sure you would support that? Read Ilan Pappe's book, the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, he is an Israeli historian.

[@suzannekirkwood6392]

Like a child who has never really been told no. Grows up and can't understand why they are suddenly being held accountable.

[@GregQchi]

@@garyrotman7143 Daniel Levy is spot on. The nation was built on the mass ethnic cleansing (planned in advance in Plan Dalet) of indigenous Palestinian people. The UN didn't grant the Jewish colonisers the right to do that.. and that created the intractable conflict we see now - the inevitable need to create apartheid and persecution to contain the dispossessed Palestinians.

[@manila656]

People are tired of lying of this killer regime

[@amurry5042]

I'm certainly tired of the lying hamas pr machine

[@guyclass7661]

They have voted

[@RobPires]

From the multi made up stories abt oct, to the trrist list which was actually a calender, to the non existent multi storey tunnels, to there were no civikians deleted, you can write a boom about their leis.

[@docca123]

@@manila656 more people are tired of Islamists using western democracy to infiltrate governments and also tired of their Taqiyya to spread Islam whilst r@ping western women

[@gooldii1]

You mean Iran?

[@joejonson7522]

This is not an interview, but a full accusation of Israel and the jews. I haven't heard a host even once condemning what hamas did on October 7th, not to mention a "river to the sea" meaning that will bring a genocide and extermination of the jews.

[@mariettadzeladini7390]

He wrote a book and doesn’t know the word famine. What an ignorant!

[@FactsMatter-wh7rr]

Palestinians need to READ History not try to REWRITE History..

[@nname079]

@@FactsMatter-wh7rr Benny Morris rewrote his own book after converting to Zionism. His first book on Palestinian history was quite honest. He had to eat up his own ideas.

[@zwcdamien]

I think he means that he does not know what they mean by saying “famine”. In everyday language famine encompasses much more than the strict scientific definition of famine. For exemple, malnutrition is not the same as famine, and famine is not the same as starvation, etc.

[@tobysmith2081]

​@@FactsMatter-wh7rr Israelis need to learn 4th grade English words apparently

[@lunarsyed]

also doesnt know the definition of genocide which he also wrote a book on

[@baukjenicolai4198]

Calling somebody pro Palestinian, who is a Palestinian 🤡

[@user-dt4je9br6o]

It's a war started by Hamas supported by these very Gaza civilians who are in the line of fire. Hamas had put those civilians in the line of fire by starting a war totally supported by those very same Palestians. They've brought up the genocide idea so, look at it. Did the American stand up and complain about genocide when the British its allies begin to bomb the cities of Germany in their efforts to end Nazism. Keep in mind that with the death of Hitler Nazism came to an end (relatively speaking), Islam and it's dedication to the destruction of every other people the world including the freedom it's own female population will never end regardless of the outcome in this particular attack by ISLAM again!!!!!!!!

[@goldilox369]

​@@user-dt4je9br6owell that's a lot of really incorrect information you've swallowed there! Get better hasbara. Most of these points are easily disproven.

[@user-du5jc7xz2y]

Same people who lived in under the ottoman empire and then the Colonel British rule called FALESTiINE.

[@epicmanthesecond]

@@user-dt4je9br6o try not to bring islam up out of sheer hate and ignorance as an argument to justify massacring people challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]

[@OmarAliModdy]

Palestine is not Poland. Learn the difference and let it sink in. Free Palestine again from racist European colonial squatter invaders and genocidal war criminals

[@RS-qy8pk]

As soon as Benny Morris made the comment about the hospital, i could tell he is not a honest person

[@9UaYXxB]

There is a collective insanity in Israel. They've created it generation by generation, treating Palestinians with utter contempt, attempting by every means to make them stateless, to deny them any agency , to go on the world stage and attempt to demonize them for 75 years. With the full cooperation of the United States, irrespective of administration in Washington.... Successive American governments are totally involved in this colonialization program, fully complicit, bankrolling it and arming it to the nines.

[@yeshuabinyankee5017]

Same

[@olgam601]

My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.

[@raincadeify]

That's the first time I've seen him in an actual interview and it was a disappointment. So many people through the years have looked to him to explain Israel, albeit from a Zionist perspective. He's blatantly acting in bad faith now, even contradicting his pervious positions.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@raincadeify The reality is that’s it’s the media who has acted in the extremely bad faith with the hospital thing. He’s just being honest about what the evidence shows.

[@verity137]

This is a complex issue. It’s unfortunate that Palestinians and Israelis are is in this position. As an unbiased observer the gentleman seemed knowledgeable and I believe had correct context to the situation at least in the beginning of this video where I’m making this statement. Israel didn’t start this particular chain of events even though there are some causal factors leading up to it. How they’re choosing to prosecute a war is wrong and if the people had it they’re way Netanyahu likely would not be in power. That is the truth. I also don’t like crowds in the situation because it gives an unfair advantage to the observer if there is an overwhelming bias. Hamas is the true enemy here and it’s not said enough. It’s also not said enough that Palestinian voices are being diminished and they’re being killed by an enemy while being held hostage by their own. It’s also not said enough that Netanyahu is not a representation of most people in Israel. I hope peace and reason will win the day, in a world of ignorance and war.

[@Yeodore]

The best comment I have seen here. How Israel is conducting the war is wrong and is not working. However Hamas is the true evil and they don't care about the Palestinian people at all. This show was so biased against Benny and felt like it was just a hit piece and not actual journalism. But this is Al Jazeera which is funded by the Qatar government who are openly pro-Hamas.

[@DerPortiMorti]

@@verity137 A rare informed comment in this thread.

[@xchazz86]

You heard it here first: "Ethnic cleansing is not a crime."

[@tyrant_hermit]

The turks would agree

[@di8859]

"As part of the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923, Greece and Turkey agreed to uproot two million people in a massive population exchange."

[@di8859]

@xchazz86 the context was that population exchange/transfer is preferable to getting killed. You may not agree, but it is a point worth debating.

[@deficrypto1234]

@@di8859 Stop lying. He said 'Ethnic cleansing isnt a crime'.

[@deficrypto1234]

@@di8859 There is no population exchange or transfer where people dont get killed. Mention one.

[@ressay67]

Benny Morris was asked if you were Palestinian and were occupied by Zionists Israelis would resist the occupation he answer yes that yes came from the soul of Benny Morris which could not deny the inalienable right of a human being to freedom.

[@badseedzontop5687]

That was the most truthful thing he said and it took a man more than half his age to have him come to that realization. On another head to head I believe anti Zionist vs anti semitism. A young girl asked the older woman on the panel a very simple question, and the versed woman was stuck. She simply didn’t have the correct answer and it was obvious.

[@julianaadri6697]

​@@badseedzontop5687can you give me title of that head to head you mentioned?

[@user-bs9hm6gg9i]

the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....

[@user-bs9hm6gg9i]

the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....

[@user-bs9hm6gg9i]

the palestinians were not under occupation in 1921 jaffa pogroms,1929 hebron and safed pogroms and 1938 tiberias pogroms. the pogroms against mizrahi communities across the muslim world were not when they were under any occupation. the seyfo,yazidi genocide,hazarah genocide,simmele,el anfal,isis,taliban,boko haram,el shabab,algerian islamist front -they want to blame us for it? when the palestinians and other islamists are being raised they are the victims and that its the divine wish that they conduct war- sure there is a chance you would become extremist raised in that way....

[@rajanm3572]

"You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"

[@bwanikakigudde7321]

Use this same platform to condemn Hamas for starting this whole thing. Who uses his people as a shield? Come on. All lives matter including those that were taken on October 7th.

[@delatroy]

76 years and counting is a long time

[@abdul123411]

It will not end until the return of Jesus. I hope I’m wrong.

[@olgakessel4101]

@@abdul123411 you are not wrong unfortunately

[@Umuma871]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@Milisa-d5k]

Maybe we should be asking, what did Israel do to provoke Hamas

[@JasonYu35]

Brilliant question! I wish some form of it was posed to Benny at the end!

[@carmelobazzano5703]

I suspect Norman's estimation of Benny Morris is precise. Morris indeed , is a lunatic.

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

Jubots are gonna be jubots. They can't veer far from their programming when it comes to zionism

[@bidhrohi12]

Norman is an intellectual to the imbeciles. He has no real accomplishments aside from being a Jew who supports the extermination of his own people by Arabs.

[@SusanKoech-ip1jk]

No listening to Benny, he is being pro israel and you are pro palestine...the problem is you grew up in intolerant environment...you are intolerant and cannot take in dissenting voices without becoming emotional and "genocidal" against Benny😂😂

[@user-uq3ie2io6e]

👍🕊

[@rhysrautjoki7207]

Yes, the lies he was spinning were insane...

[@sergeg9682]

Those are evil people who doesn’t know that they are evil. They are not different than the nazis.

[@Godzillamonstrosity]

Yes, Palestinians don't know that they are evil even though they are evil by supporting Hamas. Hamas and their supporters (majority of Palestinians) are no different than Nazis.

[@gernolan6932]

They’re worse .. they are doing what the Nazis did to them .

[@RobPires]

@@Godzillamonstrositysrael created hmas. You can stop pretending now.

[@Godzillamonstrosity]

@@RobPires Sheikh Yassin created Hamas.

[@AE-vi1cm]

They are called Islamic facists

[@SaraSara-ti6ex]

No nation, no aggressor is allowed to take a neighboring territory by force

[@lunarsyed]

yet israel has no qualm doing it to syria, lebanon and iraq

[@justmanuel2000]

If you have USA support you, you can do what ever!!!!

[@georgetachil3790]

You cannot eye some ones land as occupied when it never belonged to them in the first place ? By your argument why is Hezbollah in Lebanon ? Was Lebanon an Islamic country before the Palestinians and Syrians infiltrated Lebanon as refugees and slowly changed its demography ?

[@daves465]

Israel was never the aggressor. Israel has always reacted to Arab aggression.

[@clbeob]

This is something all nations do and or have done get over it.

[@reffusion4228]

Funny how when the Israelis try to respond to a point that gets heavily praised, they’re interrupted before they’re able to explain why it’s incorrect / false.

[@charudattachopade4501]

More power to Palestine. Your courage makes the rest of the world looks miniscule. Love from India.

[@mubashirmohamood9372]

@@gomerpyle1542Wow you are funny🤷🏻. Wtf

[@Furnituresober]

India itself in danger zone by such a citizen

[@Godzillamonstrosity]

Lmao, most of India strongly supports Israel. Indians are fervent in their support for Israel.

[@karllaur3866]

Moronic

[@Dracarys-i5f]

😂😂😂

[@elhananmwenda3686]

THIS WORLD IS AT A DANGEROUS POSITION, I PRAY THAT MOST EYES ARE OPENED

[@olgam601]

My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.

[@laorenshener]

归根结底,他们是在互相毁灭.中东要有和平,必须放下宗教仇恨,合理分配土地,经济共享,不掺杂政治,文化包容,才能真正的公平,这才是唯一的和平出路,而目前来说,双方都在犯罪,为了仇恨而仇恨,极端主义在一代又一代中蔓延传承.

[@JasonLaveKnotts]

What does this mean?

[@sansumida]

There are other conflicts with worse outcomes for civilians eg Sudan, Ukraine, Burma etc Israel conflict small potatoes really😊​@@JasonLaveKnotts

[@SNe-ux5vj]

@@sansumida what a shamless person you are!

[@baukjenicolai4198]

I get so mad listening to these genocide lovers.

[@gabrielmarius984]

Hamas you mean?

[@faebalina7786]

They open their mouths and only lies come out.They are all propagandists.

[@lubetime-autorepair7078]

@@gabrielmarius984no he meant what he said. That’s the aim to destroy the Palestinian people.

[@nicoleweissman4953]

You mad because you lie you kill you dumb you backwards you lose against israel over and over

[@mrpepe1408]

@@nicoleweissman4953 👈🤡 cope harder

[@alexatienza5292]

Hamas is the real culprit in this debate. If Palestinians didn't support Hamas and kicked them out of Palestine, this Gaza war will not happen. Period

[@didasenga9397]

Then the Palestinians would be slaves in their own land.

[@LifeinAmerica2022]

"Let's share it with Palestinians"... but that is not your land

[@cristianflorin5970]

It was BRITISH mandate Palestine

[@greenearth9945]

​@@cristianflorin5970 palestine as a term has existed for over 2.000 years and the people has been living there for over 5.000 years. Rats from Europe and foreign lands should gtfo

[@meatmobile]

Israeli logic: steal all the tvs you can from the store and beg to 'share' when you get arrested

Actually - there were indeed Jewish communities in Ottoman and British mandate Palestine, and in the decades leading up to 1948, Jews did in fact purchase and develope large areas of land in Palestine, so it's not so simple to just say "It wasn't their land". If you buy land, then it is your land.

[@greenearth9945]

Jews were 2-3% of the population in 1889 and went up to 8% in 1917 due to immigration from european zionists. The british took over in 1917 and opened the flood gates for european jewish immigration which increased the share of population from 8% in 1917 to 30% in 1947. The jews owned less than 6% of the land in 1947. So they owned

[@flavioferreira5924]

One thing is certain: Benny Morris has never experienced starvation.

[@boforce9096]

Exactly 👍🤣🤣🤣

[@yoelrappaport5991]

Same as the gazans

[@hetaeramancer]

so has mehdi never lol

[@tantzer6113]

Fat joke? Body shaming? Not intelligent and rather bigoted.

[@greybushMEproductions]

So you're insulting him because he's overweight?

[@zm5132]

I feel nostalgic about seeing Mehdi back on Head to Head and at the same time sad because we are still talking about Palestine being treated as sub human

[@Gphilly819]

Morris destroyed him Mehdi took so many things out of context

[@hoangquang4241]

lol he destroyed mehdi hasan who keeps using random quotes without explaining the context

[@Gphilly819]

@@hoangquang4241 mehdi does a lot of dishonest interview tactics Taking quotes way out of context ( for example Benny said Israel should strike Irans nuclear sites and then mehdi says you want to nuke ALL of Iran - which is a lie )

[@samanthaalmeida3875]

@@hoangquang4241100 percent agree! 👍🏼

[@ahklys1321]

Don't start a war you expect massive retaliation for and then cry about it?

[@Truthteller-ui5qg]

Irael didn't kick Arabs off their lands in current day Israel, it was Abdel Nasir and the Arab League that told them to get out of the way so they could destroy Israel. There are consequences to losing a war.

[@PsyOps404]

Benny just because you’re well fed it doesn’t mean Gazans haven’t starved to death

[@Baseddeparfment]

Yes it does. It’s literally impossible to be fed well and also starve to death.

[@abdc2990]

Gazans have been supposedly starving to death for over 40 years yet their population has kept growing. Fascinating how that happens. Also, don't blame Israel for hamas' habit of taking rations for themselves.

[@georgebaker5971]

Have you noticed how well fed those people are…and how poorly the Palestinians…

[@georgebaker5971]

@@abdc2990Could do with a ration yourself…

[@lauriesmyla5376]

It does mean "Benny", is a apathetic murder!

[@graciousmutizhe4172]

Interviewing people like Benny Morris needs people with good heart, otherwise some will end up beating him.

[@teddymoon3744]

its so funny he does not know hamas leaders live in qatar! not gaza lol

[@hoangquang4241]

@teddymoon3744 so where is sinwar at?

[@SomeDude-gn8kc]

😂I could see people beating him lol😂they only see and have one view there physcopath view

[@SeattleScotty]

The crowd looks like they want to tear him apart (rightfully)

[@name_dropper8112]

@@graciousmutizhe4172 justifying the barbarism of the **** world

[@midlfecrysis]

40,000 is "collateral damage". Sure Benny. You are evil

[@venom-gt7rc]

No, YOU are evil. Or not very smart. (i) 40,000 is a Hamas number (ii) even if the number were true: it includes Hamas fighters. They purposefully mix Hamas and civilians together in order to promote their victimhood narrative

[@justaturtlepassingthrough3972]

The collateral damage wouldn't be so high if Hamas didn't use civilian buildings as cover.

[@AndyLevy1]

@@midlfecrysis hamas started the war on Oct 7th. Gaza could have been an amazing place, but hamas turned it into a battle ground.

[@waleidris-giwa3298]

​@@justaturtlepassingthrough3972 And they wouldn't have hamas in the first place, if Palestinians lands were not annexed.

[@justaturtlepassingthrough3972]

@@waleidris-giwa3298 doesn’t change the fact that civilian casualties are to be attributed to the terrorist group that hides behind them

[@Madhatter603]

“You should back up your claim with facts……who died of starvation??……next question” lol

[@val3454]

LOL TF WAS THAT

[@naseerwasuru6329]

Mehdi Hasan is an absolute genius who possesses remarkable interpersonal skills. He excels at communication and knows how to deal with Zionists!

[@MultiWaveWave]

Yeah yeah we all saw how he got smothered by Douglas Maurrey

[@IjustWantToEat]

@@MultiWaveWave wtf are u talking about, that faggt didnt smother anybody, stupid atheist telling jews what zionism is hahahahahahha

[@zhangshiyucao]

Not really, i find him interrupting Morris all the time very annoying

[@VictorN-mp9kk]

@@MultiWaveWave A superficial and childish comment. A hall full of Zionists applaud and agree with the racist Douglas nothing to brag about.

[@politicas3361]

Nonsense. He's just a far left ideologue and not a terribly bright one.

[@f4st1ll0]

As a historian who wrote about genocide and other atrocities to act like he doesn not know what famine is, shows you exactly that you cannot trust anything he says. What a fake.

[@abygalemoon6689]

He is doing a poor job of spreading propaganda

[@Ariel-jl7ts]

English is not his native language, as it isn't mine, I didn't know what famine meant either until I looked it up.

[@mizutochi3678]

And than he said he didnt said that.

[@Naughty_RENJITH]

PLS ADJUST MUSLUUUU FAN

[@niravrasengupta7374]

Not a fake, a sellout to the Palestinian people.

[@MuntahaChaudhri]

I have a deep respect for Medhi Hassan, the service which this man has paid in the past many years is brilliant!

[@sonnyeriksson87]

Only if you have low iq

[@glendacollett5214]

Absolutely. A brilliant journalist.

[@FBZOMBlES]

That’s only because you’re low IQ.

[@kathiemorgan5492]

poppycock he uses his loud mouth to intimidate

[@meltedsnowman9637]

He’s a known bad faith actor with his out of context misrepresentations.

[@Truthteller-ui5qg]

There are consequences for terrorism. Palestinians would have a way way better life if they accepted the existence of Israel which they openly state they do not. They could have peace, trade, and good jobs like the Muslim Arabs who are Israeli citizens do.

[@fatmakaradag3011]

If a thief comes to your house, claims all your belongings as his and then tells you to go and find yourself a place to live on the basement, would you not confront him and fight against him? This is exactly why Arabs in 40s and so on refused to give a away majority of the land to new comers and in much smaller population. By the way, those Turkish muslim Ottoman Empire saved you Jewesh from Spanish massacre. In their rule, Jewesh and many other non mudlims lived in peace with free education and tones more according their own religion and culture. The world is full of manupilators, which makes me sick.

[@olgam601]

My personal view: Palestine was INVENTED to destroy Israel. We just have to look at the map; the Arab world is FIVE HUNDRED TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.

[@russe19642]

Biggest manipulator was Mohammed, just look how you see things

[@user-cu6dj9oz5m]

The interesting part is that in Jerusalem you find a mosque built on top of a Jewish temple, not the other way around. You ever stopped a moment to actually think why? Who stole the land? Who came in the house, established a colonialist empire, said now it’s my house, built another house on top of your house to justify the claim? And no you can’t speak about the ottomans as saviors, want to look at ethnic cleansing and genocide, Turks are the masters of it. Want to look about stateless ppl who are being hunted for daring even to say the name of their home? Look inside Turkey, look at the Kurds and who is occupying their home. Look at Cyprus and who is occupying their homes.

[@russe19642]

@@user-cu6dj9oz5m they don't care

[@twisterli9177]

@@fatmakaradag3011 1. it wasn't your house 2. You rejected the plan to share even though the world and the other side agreed 3. You then started war to kill the other side which you lost 4. You keep losing wars. 5. But you insist it's everyone's fault but yours.

[@mesuta]

Daniel Levy's comment in the second part is a good reflection on how their narrative has changed over time and vulgarized to a point that they don't even have to justify themselves

[@lastword8783]

And its on display in that very room. Which other intellectual can write books and say this "Ethnic cleansing was justified" and still have work anywhere and not be shunned and alienated by all media? Only Israelis.

[@Ariel-jl7ts]

That guy raised no claims or points other than being 'astonished'. And you appreciate that of course

[@miraamir64]

OMG!!! Hypocrisy at its peak how come this guy is justifying genocide as nothing has happened!

[@saschaberger8922]

Where is the genocide? In 1948 there were around 1 million Palestinians, now there are more than 5 million. How is that genocide?

[@gernolan6932]

He’s a z10nist .. no more needs to be said

[@Sevenfold120]

Genocide has to have intent. Warcrimes have happened. Genocide has not. There is a difference. The holocaust was a genocide because the intent was to kill Jews in every country the Nazis were in. Including Palestine. The Turks committed genocide against the Assyrians after WW1 because they targetted Assyrian villages. At the very least ethnic cleansing. People are up in arms with Israel but Hamas planned an attack to literally kill every civilian they could find. They would have committed genocide if they could.

[@Cradleling]

Go learn a bit about the world. Yemen Civil War(2014-): 377 000 deaths. Ethiopian Tigray War(2020-2022): Up to 600 000 deaths. Syrian Civil War(2011-): Around 600 000 deaths. Sudan Civil War(2023-): Up to 150 000 deaths. Are you calling any of these wars genocide? Are you out in the street protesting them?

[@user-iz4lp4ku6d]

Yeah, because Pro hamas and anti west are enemy of civilization

[@hemb7163]

i must say Benny Morris speaks with conviction. Mehdi comes through as clearly prejudiced

[@eshepard8565]

I can't even finish watching this. What is absurd is his insistence on blatant lies as truth.

[@jansojele289]

Like what?

[@StevenMichaelCunningham]

File the police reports & petition the courts.

[@worldwithpeace4ever]

@@jansojele289 Like watch the video to see.

[@moshebenamram6020]

You can't stand the truth

[@richieroma]

Benny has the right to defend himself against truth, integrity and honour.

[@drsaraji1]

But Israel has nuclear weapons. Why should you be calling for destruction of Iran nuclear facilities. This is pure apartheid.

[@peterbolton6193]

Watching Morris try to reconcile what he knows historically with what he believes politically is like watching a child trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[@louisesullivan7426]

🎯!!!

[@ApotreNoir]

Perfect response

[@ashley-fk6dp]

i agree with benny morris politicaly and i agree with him historically .

[@peterbolton6193]

@ashley-fk6dp Then you must engage in the same kind of mental contortion that he does.

[@ashley-fk6dp]

@@peterbolton6193 true life is ambivalent though innit mate ...i never veiwed the conflict between arabs and zionists as good and evil

[@zalmykinn]

I love this, but one point must be made: Israel is the Jewish people's ancestral holy homeland. There is no occupation or colonization. There is only decolonization and liberation. We are willing to share the Middle East with the Arabs but Israel is ours !!! Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🌊🌴🕎🌴🌊

[@LittlePenguin1-17]

Benny Morris didn't come her to get cooked, he was feeling adventurous and decides to get vaporized!

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

A person like Morris is deluded enough to convince himself, even after this, that he "won" the argument and that he proved a point.

[@kingjsolomon]

Char BROILED LOL

[@vans1788]

​@@ChrisAlbertH47basically like how Donald Trump got clowned extremely hard at the black journalists conference and then claimed in his failing platform that he did magnificent

[@JorgeRzezak]

Absolutely the opposite

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

@@vans1788 I don't know the specific instance you're referring to. But that does sound like Donnie boy.

[@amjoker9837]

I think at this point these debates r quite useless ( except historical knowledge ) , what we see daily is enough to know what side to stand for

[@house684]

Yeah, you're giving a platform to these perverts, instead of shaming them. Especially, perhaps, with someone like Morris, who doesn't deny reality, but then goes on to justify Israel. What's the point of debating a Zionist pervert about whether Apartheid, mass murder and ethnic cleansing is justified or not?

[@shabbirhussain7578]

If you learn something watching it, it's not useless

[@1Deep43VA]

I think showing the world their ideology for all to see is useful… but I understand your sentiment, being there’s nothing to debate at this point

[@silentboomber]

which is true, Israel has occupied the land for 75 years and won so many Israel-Arab wars, it's obviously show the God love who

[@Lynn1228ify]

​@@silentboomberBS!!

[@jeffschroeder4805]

It is very convenient for Benny Morris to begin with his claim that the conflict began on Oct. 7th. It is disappointing that an historian would not begin his presentation acknowledging and examining the situation leading up to Oct. 7th. Of course, that would totally undermine his efforts to present Israeli Jews as the victims. It sounds very much like the arguments that Nazis would have made to explain the necessity of their efforts to deal with the Jewish threat to their security.

[@russe19642]

This situation is a war, you probably don't like it but it's a war and sure it started before this but you lost that as well. How about not trying to kill Jews hey? Just a thought

[@user-cu6dj9oz5m]

When did it start then? At the 7th century, with the expansionism and colonialism of Arabs who conquered the lands and ethnically cleansed these lands causing the natives to leave? You can lie as much as you like and use modern propaganda words, but you can’t deny history and facts. And yes it is a mosque built on top of a Jewish temple, not the other way around, guess which existed first.

[@twisterli9177]

@@jeffschroeder4805 which date would you like to go back to? Can we go back to the brutal Muslim conquests of the 10th century?

[@Gotsyn]

@@twisterli9177The fact that Hamas was funded by Israel, Egypt and Qatar, which Israel ordered to keep doing so when they were about to stop, that’s pretty relevant if you really care so much about October 7th. Or maybe is it just an excuse for you to defend war crimes like famine and the killings of more than 40 000 civilians. Israel had my sympathies until you guys showed yourselves for the monsters you really are.

[@ryleeskeem]

@@twisterli9177Why would you think Israelis and Palestinians living today are cross-compatible with any Jewish or Muslim group that has been dead for over 1000 years? I’m not sure why anyone living 10 centuries ago would be representative or cross compatible with any victims and perpetrators today, unless you just see people as groups of ethnicities with no regard for nuance or reality. Most of the population knows someone older than the state of Israel so the history of its official development is important context with regard to how it exists and operates today.

[@KumarKumar-sh3sp]

If it was genocide, whole of Palestine would have been wiped out by now !There wouldn't have been warnings by Israel to civilians to evacuate before attacking particular areas ...

[@mohdyousuf9638]

@@KumarKumar-sh3sp wow

[@brandfbr]

It's amazing how Benny Morris complains about the lack of context to the quotes, then goes on to explain the context and it turns out to be the most racist thing you ever heard

[@PeterP-cq6md]

@@brandfbr it's not. mehdi is the racist, such as all pali-liars

[@eros727]

Benny’s reputation and credibility are down the drain.

[@Solventflush]

Drain is your home 🍆head

[@YaldaZadah]

He was so embarrassing. Racist through and through

[@Murkshadow]

Depends on how brainrotted you are. Benny could choose to sit in front of an audience that all applaud and agree with him. But he's choosing to have these conversations to try and bridge an understanding. A great example was the audience question towards genocide. It's so easy to level the claim. It's far more difficult to tangle with the reality that your government chose an action they knew would induce so much death, and somehow none of them want to take responsibility for it.

[@hoangquang4241]

​@YaldaZadah lol he destroyed mehdi hasan who keeps using random quotes without explaining the context

[@dodidodidabada1954]

Total rapist slogans/excuses "she had it coming" ​@@Murkshadow

[@mohamedabdirahmanibrahim9135]

Glad to see mahdi Hassan back to aljazira media

[@wish-ld9te]

This stupid mehdi hasan should also talk about Balochistan..... pakistan is committing ethnikkkk cleaanssiing in Balochistan.... mehdi is blind towards atrocities of Pakistan.... shame shame shame...

[@AdamDorfman82]

You are doing exactly what Hamas wants and are prolonging the war. Hamas is doing this because they know YOU will blame Israel and not them!!! BiBi is not causing this… YOU are! Hamas has only one goal which is the destruction and delegitimizing Israel And they know extreme leftist like YOU are desperately virtue signaling and want to blame their own people instead of the Islamic extremist group Hamas is fighting an ideological religious war and they don’t care if you are a “good” person or not. They don’t care if you have “values” or not They have been taught that Jews are bad and must be removed completely. Period. You have been delaying the return of the hostage by blaming Israel instead of putting all the blame on Hamas, because you don’t want to upset Hamas. They are beyond this, you can’t get more extreme and they will not respond to your kindness. In Iran, they killed all the socialists after they got into power! That's why 90% of Iranian want to remove the Mullah's from power. The Jews and Iranians are the most ancient peoples in the middle east and they are OCCUPIED by Islamic Extremist who want to destroy anything that is not Islamic.

[@Garmonbozia-nc7mm]

He told Richard Dawkins point blank that he believes in flying horses. You’re welcome to that kind of credibility.

[@carlosillich787]

​@@Garmonbozia-nc7mm and you believe the universe came into existence out of nothing 😅

[@Garmonbozia-nc7mm]

@@carlosillich787no….I admit that I don’t know how it happened….you lie and say you do.

[@mustafakemal7320]

You never ever can question a HAMAS leader in this way. Yes, Israel has mistakes however they are much more democratic than Palestinians and any other Muslim country

[@jfl1746]

Democracy these days is an illusion. Democratic means means the power is invested in te people or the general population of the country. Look around, once chosen a government the power is given to a small number of people.

[@zeroripetizioni]

THE BOSS IS BACK! It's a joy to see Mehdi back to Al Jazeera

[@franklincassidy4927]

You mean hamas supporters

[@franklincassidy4927]

What boss. Boss to you

[@ana-OM]

Yes🌹

[@franklincassidy4927]

@@ana-OM you mean boss to hamas

[@DeedatDiallo]

@@franklincassidy4927 he main the genocide and oppression supporters which is you

[@88chimes]

It's disgusting hearing an apologist for ethnic cleansing

[@Toichen]

Did you hear what he said?? The Arabs were intent on massacring the Jews and in fact did

[@finklechomsky2992]

*I love Mehdi Hassen's comeback & Al Jazeera airing this show again* *Who else?*

[@greatfortunemamhova4480]

Me too, but l feel like USA media made Mehdi’s grilling a lil weaker lol

[@EsDels]

The Americans media landscape is controlled by lobbyists and politicians,nothing transparent there. They are controlled by the media.

[@heavenlyxtacy]

the looser who dont even let the guest speak because he will be exposed as a terrorist supporter?

[@sachinbk1347]

I am not a fan of Mehdi but yeah this show is quite amazing and I must admit that Mehdi is also amazing when he is not being biased.

[@heavenlyxtacy]

@@sachinbk1347 mehdi is always biased, why is he not talking about 7th October when his brothers terrorists hamas attacked israel.

[@antonyowen3775]

I think Benny Morris is FAR more intelligent and a superior debater.. than Mehdi Hasan..

[@antonyowen3775]

retract a bit Mehdi Hasan great at his job

[@sahabichoudhury5823]

You clearly don't think

[@sofiajohansson8537]

Genocide is the intent, not how many are killed

[@bash676]

how much is enough? and what evidence do you need more than the own words of Gallant, ben Gvir and Smotrich. I have the receiptes you know and I can post them image and voice.

[@LiiRAE.]

@@bash676 genocide can occur with 2 deaths, genocide doesn't even require death. The number of people dead is completely irrelevant if the special intent to genocide is not there. That doesn't mean deaths aren't BAD, we can still call it very bad, just not a genocide.

[@bash676]

@@LiiRAE. i was talking about the intent part. the number is another thing, although it seems to matter on one side more than the other.

[@abdc2990]

@@bash676 1) How much is enough? There is literally no limit. All of gaza could theoretically be killed without it being a genocide. 2) No amount of anecdotal statements make up a specific intent. You'd need to show it was translated into actual actions of the IDF.

[@nathanielmartins5930]

​@abdc2990 > The IDF has rendered the entire area of the Gaza strip uninhabitable. > Gazans will have to move out and leave their homes (which are over 50% reduced to rubble, again, by the IDF) and head elsewhere. > The 1948 Geneva convention states that any acts which are carried out with [the Nebulous] Genocidal intention, constitue a Genocide. > One of those acts is imposing on a population the living conditions which would force them to leave their homes. > Israel has already done that in the case of the Gaza strip. > Many Israeli officials have expressed that the only way for Israel to be safe is to have the entire Gaza syrip flattened and push its inhabitants to the Sinai. > The same officials also said they will stop at nothing to keep Israel safe. If you are going to say "Clearly it is not Genocide, the israeli politicians say what they are doing is to keep Israel safe, and that isn't an Intention of genocide" Know that the Third Reich Chancellor also thought what he was doing was necessary for the safety of germany.

[@RM-ku8xf]

Occupation started before hamas!

[@tandava-089]

Israel also funded and created hamas, and has been running ongoing coup attempts at once forcing the remaining members to have no choice but to fight back while also systematically executing any of their more competent and moderate leadership Its a long term comprehensive strategy that theyve outlined in extreme detail since their early days. This is one of the most long term and comprehensive crimes against humanity ever. Period. With no comparison, whatsoever. Nothing else has actually ever even come close, and its appalling that the world is only now beginning to not only admit that its been happening, but that weve been funding empowering and supporting it

[@SomeoneFromBeijing]

Yes, the Arab-Islamic occupation of Israel. "We have been here for hundreds of years!" Says the Palestinian, who is standing on top of a 3000-year-old Jewish temple.

[@JJ-hi4gh]

But the present war started soley because of Hamas

[@tandava-089]

@@JJ-hi4gh Ignored my comment entirely didnt you?

[@stephenjenkins7971]

It started long before Is ra el, too. Arbs occupied the entire MENA region

[@anapontopina86]

It would be important to point out that police forces in palestinian towns are being cut off of resources and gangs are being bribed - intentionally by israel- in order to elevate criminal rates. Benis Morris should have heard this when he went on his racist rant

[@Halo-lg7rq]

That and the near perfect incarceration rate for Arab-Israelis and Palestinians throughout the OPT. There are so many wildly discriminatory laws against Palestinians, and as soon as you get arrested you can almost guarantee the courts will convict or never try your case and let you sit in jail

[@Yuv1]

You are confusing between West bank Palestinians and Israeli Arabs.. Benny is right about it, search it up, the murder rates in the Arab community in Israel is like 200 this year, much much more than in the jewish community. There is no conspiracy here, the police fears the gangs, they have a lot of smuggled weapons from jordan.

[@arifabd]

Benny Morris has long sold his soul. Just another garden variety Z nst now who has always harboured racial bigotry.

[@rasputinbd]

so you are saying that there is no such thing as honour related crimes in arab culture? or women right controversies?

[@AdamRee-lx8uh]

@@rasputinbd Don’t try to make excuses that all Arabs are bad. Enough with your racism.

[@apreddy1999]

If there was no iron dome , Jews would have been civilization of past. Mehndi what's ur take ?

[@sohaibyahia9443]

Mehdi made him look like an idiot

[@hoangquang4241]

Morris destroyed mehdi absolutely. The dude keep using random quotes without providing context 😂😂😂

[@josemon5719]

No... Mehdi is always an idiot

[@schwartz6660]

Benny stood his ground and was honest…demonizing him as some in the audience were doing served no one.

[@ahklys1321]

Mehdi was dishonest with nearly every remark and interruption. I would of walked off.

[@RobPires]

Benny clearly applied gymnastics to pretend like he didn't mean what he said. The hypocrisy is astounding. But to his credit, there are times when Benny concede Mehdi's point.

[@ZMYaro]

One of the parts that stuck with me most was in the first half, when Morris says the Jewish people being moved into Palestine by the British accepted compromises, but the people already living there weren't, and that somehow makes the people who were already living there unreasonable. As though if someone moves a stranger into your home, and says it is fine because the newcomer only gets *some* of the rooms, you are unreasonable if you don't accept.

[@beebee242]

Exactly 💯

[@orianmenashe8661]

Actually jews were there for a lot of years even before that. I can't truly say who was there first but both group's religions have ties and a history with the place and it should be respected. I don't think we as people should make any analogies on things like you did because it diminishes a lot of important information. and besides if we dont accept one another then we are going to have a really densly populated planet with a lot of wars.. full disclosure for those who care, I am an Israeli

[@ZMYaro]

@@orianmenashe8661 I wasn't talking about all Jewish people throughout time; I was talking about Jewish people moving from Britain to Palestine. If I moved from the U.S. to Israel right now, my being Jewish wouldn't make me not an immigrant, and if I took half your house on the grounds I believe a distant ancestor of mine lived there centuries ago, I don't think that would make it OK or obligate you to “compromise” about it.

[@btmillion2813]

That’s the thing. I think the UN made a grave mistake in giving the same vote to Palestinians and Israelis as the rest of the world on resolution where both parties were actually going to live out the consequences. This meant that only one party can agree in spite of the other and the resolution still passes. This in itself is a grave mistake because you can’t force sovereignty on land merely on the basis of such a vote. Not that it would’ve been right to do so without the agreement of both parties, but the UN didn’t have some kind of international military to enforce the resolution either.

[@rywt4zc]

@@ZMYaro there was massive Arab immigration, some of it illegal. The British didn't stop it. Here: There was huge scale migration of Arabs into Israel, attracted by the development and jobs. Robert F. Kennedy visited the British Mandate of Palestine in 1948. He said: "The Jews point with pride to the fact that over 500,000 Arabs, in the 12 years between 1932-1944, came into Palestine to take advantage of living conditions existing in no other Arab state"

[@nene2020able]

How a historian can be ahistorical and a colossal liar is crazy.

[@jamesjarvis530]

Yeah it’s almost like he’s neither of those things

[@meltedsnowman9637]

Yet you’re unable to dispute anything said.

[@Hello-ig1px]

To be fair, if I was an israeli, i would be so sick of Hamas and Palestinians that I would also stop publicly condemning Israel. Palestinians as a whole are literal cry bullies. They will attack and then start playing victim when Israel responds.

[@kzzz9445]

He is also a jew in case you forgot. That kind of explains a thing or two.

[@Aaron.Thomas]

Propagandists aren't historians.

[@nelsonbuddy]

Benny Morris is corrupt.

[@Valkyri3Z]

He is bonkers

[@Hannestv4607]

Take off the aluminum hat Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*

[@Hannestv4607]

*what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*

[@henriettemcpartlin8640]

Terrorist apologist

[@AllYourConcerns]

​@@Hannestv4607 Lmao your lying is astonishing

[@mansooraqureshi2696]

Ignoring Genocide,Morris is a out of his mind.

[@Random_merkava_enjoyer]

Don’t use a Word you don’t know the meaning of

[@leon19736]

No genocide. There is a war. People including civilians die in war. War that started by Palestinians

[@Amaking10000]

He is a Zionist so there is no surprised.

[@Solventflush]

@@Random_merkava_enjoyeryou can’t fix weirdos

[@abdc2990]

You do not know what genocide is. Define it for me please. I'll let you use google and when you proudly send me the right definition, I'll explain to you why you can't read. Go on, do it.

[@saschaatta1]

What is the use of these conversations where one side is completely in denial, mentally insane and sick.

[@Vorname_Nachnahme]

To show that to the world.

[@vidachapple7989]

You are talking about the moronic host right!!??😂😂😂

[@Saimah92]

Is it the Palestinian side...that keeps attacking Israel 24/7 and plays victim card when Israel counters back?

[@guyclass7661]

Still they have it

[@garyh183]

What side do you mean?

[@sarahdaniels4180]

“there are no cases of death due to starvation” *looks up children starving in gaza and sees over 4,000 images and videos of starving children****

[@loveyourcountrynotyourpart6182]

All the Jewish Settlers are sharing the land with the Palestinians, the only issue is they are sharing the Palestinian's land.

[@Keepthepeacesharethelove]

Nope, they take the land away from the Palestinians.

[@Navya420]

Look up "Jewish land purchases in the 1880's" for additional perspective

[@Keepthepeacesharethelove]

@@loveyourcountrynotyourpart6182 They don't even share it.

[@BobcatSmokey]

Why do you think it's Palestinian land? I'm curious.

[@reenzetto]

@@Navya420All part of the Zionist plan.

[@Aj-qb3pr]

He said there's no P in Arabic and she said there's no J in Hebrew 😂 that's wild.

[@BobcatSmokey]

Mentioning that there's no P in Arabic is relevant because the name Filastin is an appropriation of the original roman name of Syria Palaestina. It's not relevant that there's no J in Hebrew because the Jews actually did name Jerusalem but Jerusalem is just the English appropriation of the Hebrew for Yerushaláyim. Basically, how can Arab Palestinians claim to have an ancestral tie to the land that they didn't even name.

[@Drake33333]

@@BobcatSmokey Does it really matter what the name of the land is? What is relevant is that they've been living there for many generations. It is their home.

[@BobcatSmokey]

@@Drake33333 You see, it is very important what the origin of the name is because of the two factions, only one is vehemently denying the connection to the land of the other and using it to justify genocide. And that is the Palestinian side. The Palestinians have been there for many generations, that's true, and it's also true that they are descendants of the ancient Israelis mixed with the Arabs who conquered the land in the 7th century. But it's also very true that that was the homeland of the Jews for thousands of years. When the Jews came back they didn't try to kick the Palestinians out, but the Palestinians tried to massacre the Jews claiming that they don't deserve to be there, which in turn forced the Jews to expel the Palestinians. The Arab leaders of early 20th century knew that the Jewish ancestry is true but since a Jewish presence in the land basically disproved their holy text, they instead chose to lie to the vast majority of illiterate peasants who lived there by telling them that the Jews are there to murder them all and steal their land. The Arab plan would have worked if they weren't so pathetically weak at the time, which means that in an ironic twist of fate, the lies that the Arabs told, were turned to truth because of their own actions.

[@razanalray]

@@BobcatSmokeyFilistin is in latin from philistea in greek. Israelis cant even say hamas they say kh-amas. The original language is hebrew. Israelis mix jiddish with hebrew.

[@BobcatSmokey]

@@razanalray The Latin name is Palaestina.. not Filistin.

[@saidosman1527]

These old man can't even understand his own words.

[@heavenlyxtacy]

mehdi knew he was loosing so he did not even let the old man speak or your mehdi boss would be like licking dust.

[@Ssalamanderr]

@@heavenlyxtacy do me a favour and google "Gaza Famine" really quick. Please report back with your findings

[@heavenlyxtacy]

@@Ssalamanderr you still sitting with famine, prove the other thousand word he said was false, like i said you the one who talk about one dish with more salt. You go and attack someone and when he beat you up you go and cry the world over saying he beat me, that is what your people are doing, if you have guts fight face to face and then cry we will support you, we are not fools to not see what you doing.

[@omarbadjie5150]

S a hatred idiot man,he forgot he will die one day

[@WardenOfTerra]

@@Ssalamanderr - Maybe the people of Gaza shouldn't allow terrorists to be amongst their midst then. Play stupid games, receive stupid prizes.

[@PCavalier]

Wow! The acrobatics that he went through in order to convince himself that what we are seeing in Gaza is not a genocide is crazy.

[@PeterP-cq6md]

@@PCavalier it is no genocide. oct 7th was one. and mehdi hassan is a jihadist liar

[@poetickatana8381]

10:55 Morris claims that in 1937-38 Zionism changed and decided to share the land. What a load of bull! Just google Ben Gurion's address to the Jewish Agency in June 1938. He makes it absolutely clear that agreeing to the partition plan is just the first step in taking over the entire land. Morris is a bald faced liar. "My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.... This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole." - David Ben Gurion 1938

[@Godzillamonstrosity]

It was an isolated statement from Ben Gurion but that did not reflect the official policy of the Jewish Agency.

[@jamviator]

I've never seen someone get exposed so spectacularly.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

By his own past words as well. Most of Mehdi's rebuttal is just quoting Morris' own books.

[@yossibtk]

That's not what I felt while observing that. Mehdi Hassan constantly interrupted him, jumped rapidly between points, constantly misrepresent him and constantly quoted him out of context.

[@RobPires]

@@yossibtkOut of context like how? 27:00 Like how he didn't say all Arbs are barbaric but he said Arab world are barbaric and that was supposed to be out of context?

[@yohannsebekele6714]

Context

[@akmal94ibrahim]

@@yossibtk Can you explain some examples of the quotes taken out of context?

[@oussamasaci5955]

You know you are a joke when the entire room laughs at you but you are not a comedian 😂

[@linksmedia1853]

Room full of Muslim clowns .

[@orianmenashe8661]

I see so those school bullies that laughed at me for years are good folks then. I am simply a joke.

[@oussamasaci5955]

@@orianmenashe8661 It depends on the reason they laughed at you. What do you think? Do you blame them for finding you uncomically funny?

[@Der_Handelsreisende]

What a shity crowd who dont even let the man speak. Fair discussion? A joke. But what can u expect from Terror sponsoring Quatari Propaganda.

[@greybushMEproductions]

@@oussamasaci5955 Wow, you got owned. Give up.

[@baruchhashem49]

DIANE BUTTU talks about her Father's land which they owned for hundreds of years...her words. Hundreds because her family were colonisers. Were her family one of a handful of Arab islamists who owned land for half a milenia under the Ottoman Turks? No they were not.

[@jamalgrant9335]

I'm without words! These people know exactly what they're doing. And the fact that they have so much support is scary

[@MissAki1]

Are we going to forget October 7th?

[@creoken8772]

@@MissAki1 did you forger tantoura ?

[@LynetteA68]

@@MissAki1are you going to forget the 240 plus Palestinians killed (in the West Bank) in 2023 alone BEFORE Oct 7th???? Are you going to forget the 75 plus years BEFORE Oct 7th??? Are you going to IGNORE all the uncharged Palestinian HOSTAGES (many of whom are CHILDREN) that Israel arrests without charges and holds in underground dungeons where many are tortured and killed??

[@LynetteA68]

Benny don’t forget SATANyahoo has been funding Hamas as well!! In fact he’s given them HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!!

[@LynetteA68]

I hope everyone sees that Benny Morris just DOES NOT care about Palestinians and rather they live or die!!! He can call himself left wing if he chooses but today that means nothing in Israel!! Israel is literally an evil genocidal bloodthirsty death cult!!!

[@Shaclone]

5:30 "isreal didnt bomb hospitals it was hamas, also hamas is hiding in hospitals" so which one is it? why would hamas bomb their own "hiding spots"? make sense for once

[@Calm_guam]

of the 10’s of thousands of rockets fired from the islamists in gaza towards israel, thousands of them fell short and landed on their own territory and killed their own. that help you make sense a bit?

[@Shaclone]

@@Calm_guam no

[@yusifhuseini]

😂😅

[@Calm_guam]

@@Shaclone as expected. nobody on the pro-palestine side has never succumbed to reasonable argument. their only aim is to discredit anybody that is able to point out flaws in their emotional response, representative of this “interview” which was really just a room full of useful idiots trying to catch out a reasonable and dignified man who actually has good arguments for what he believes

[@lanirassaf]

@@Shaclone you are quite dumb, aren't you

[@TheBasilu]

Benny Morris comes across as a person who knows very little about the history and has no problem contradicting himself. He is trying to rewrite history and fails miserably

[@guyclass7661]

This ain’t changing anything on the ground

[@WiseAli786]

That's the big problem when defending israel.

[@raphael3666]

Benny Morris sifted through the Israeli archives and exposed everything in various books. Almost all the other historians base their work off of his

[@Plugitinbby]

Even if you disagree with him Benny morris is actually an exceptionally knowledgeable historian .

[@Yuv1]

Mahdi tried to picture Benny as contradicting himself, he didn't let him finish sentences without pushing quotes into his mouth with no context.

[@Ajlaisanovic]

There are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians dead. And don’t forget about the Palestinian patients who were found dead with their arms and legs tied together. Shame on you for not seeing this as a genocide.

[@sabrinayounisaden7238]

Mahdi welcome back. Palestine is english speakers in Arabic speakers and non english speaking muslim countries its always pronounced as " falestine " the zionist guy in the panel claiming Palestine is fake because there is no "p" letter in Arabic alphabates is embrassing!

[@AlwaysGrowAndLearn]

The problem is that it really is Palestine with a P. It’s not an Arabic word and the name Palestine is a western colonial invention. So the fact that Arabs can’t pronounce it is relevant.

[@abdullahx4908]

Actually the name Palestine dates back to Egyptian times but the natives referred to the land as Falasteen

[@AlwaysGrowAndLearn]

⁠@@abdullahx4908​​⁠ not true at all. The area was divided radically differently prior to World War One when the Turks ruled the area for 500 years. For example there was the province of Beirut which included present day Haifa. There was no overarching name for the region as Palestine outside western sources. The Arabs never called it that, defining themselves by clan and village or simply Arab and Muslim, until modern times, borrowing Palestine and the concept of the nation state from the British and the west who named it that based on older sources that have nothing to do with the Arabs and Islam. For instance the area of the Turkish Empire that was taken over by the British in the east they named the British Mandate for Mesopotamia-also an ancient western term for the region, but not a native one. When the Arabs achieved independence there, they changed it to Iraq. Yet you see no one protesting about how the name was originally Mesopotamia and now there is a fake new country called Iraq, yet this is the same process that happened with Palestine changing to Israel and also with the creation of Jordan as well, the latter also a new country founded by outsiders (the Hashemites) on top of native tribes, also created by the British, with a parallel Balfour-type declaration that gave those lands to these outside foreigners (the Hashemites) to come in and take over.

[@nito8373]

⁠@@AlwaysGrowAndLearnah sure the western colonial invention which is stated in the Bible and other documents, before there was even western colonialism, sounds logic, haha

[@AlwaysGrowAndLearn]

@@nito8373 it’s called Israel or Judah in the Bible, the homeland of the Jewish people. And yes the west inherited its idea of Palestine as a unique political entity from this Jewish tradition, in particular Roman emperor Hadrian’s decision, as a punishment, to change the name of the land Judea (it’s native Jewish name in Roman times) to Palestine, after several failed Jewish revolts against Roman control.

[@tariq980]

@ 19:01 reminded me of the quote by Ghassan Kanafani (1936-1972). “They steal your bread, then give you a crumb of it… Then they demand you to thank them for their generosity… O their audacity!”

[@madcatter1]

why invade israeli land then?

[@TheHighlanderprime]

If you go further back in history, Jews have a better case for that statement.

[@madcatter1]

@@TheHighlanderprime funny people think history started in 1948. Israel had kingdoms before that religion was even created!

[@dragonofdojima7630]

@@TheHighlanderprime They absolutely do.

[@dragonofdojima7630]

Except it was never "their bread" fool.

[@sheikhmansur3402]

Benny is not a historian. He is a liar. And liars should not be historians. And he fails to be a human.

[@hoangquang4241]

And what u know about history better than him?

[@staticcouch135]

I second this comment

[@darkavenger8827]

​@@hoangquang4241why do you care go fix your covid creating country.

[@innalokshina2429]

The host is terrible. Very disrespectful to the guest. He wants to support his own opinion and nothing else.

[@sloansarabia]

NO ONE has the right to commit genocide!

[@pholelamapeyi4589]

a proffessor who says he doesn t know what femine is >>

[@Naughty_RENJITH]

JEANS ON SIDE .. HAHAHHA

[@greybushMEproductions]

wow, bold statement. There is no Genocide happening in Gaza.

[@Carlo.brenna]

So how do you view hamas manifesto? Do you justify it? Explain it away?

[@Carlo.brenna]

An hysterical woman defending an obtuse misogynistic patriarcal islam is a recepi for disaster. It truly is "queer for palistine " /chickens for KFC material.

[@sibonisso]

My God! This is deplorable. It’s unbelievable how lowly these Israeli panelists think of Palestinian lives. 😢

[@abdc2990]

Hey considering Palestinians will happily cheer for Hamas, who make no qualms about hiding in hospitals, firing rockets from schools, disguising as civilians etc - directly leading to the qualification of non-combatant entities as valid targets (as per rules of engagement and international law), you need to wonder how highly Palestinians themselves think of Palestinian lives lol. Israel is building a nation. Hamas is building rockets.

[@PeterP-cq6md]

@@sibonisso other way round. the arans hate the jews

[@abbasrizvi4953]

What i found funny was that he quoted that Palestine didnt exist during the Ottomans period and was created in 1920s, while Shakespeare mentions Palestine in his literature in the 1600s, going further back not to mention Herodotus, Aristotle, and Herodianus all mentioned Palestine by its name. Im sure they were not in the 1920s.

[@markwhite5926]

Yes... There are Palestinian Jews! It was Israel before, there is No west bank its Judea and Sumeria. It was renamed Palestine in 135 AD when the owners of the land were expelled by the Romans. It's still their land!!!!!!!!!!!

[@humayunmumtaz146]

Zionists living in their own world.😮😮😮😮😮​@@markwhite5926

[@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov]

@@markwhite5926 It's called a mythistory from Hasbara. The Romans never deported entire peoples. As well as Assyrians and Babylonians. It didn't pay to uproot the people of the land, the cultivators of produce, the taxpayers. Nowhere in the abundant Roman documentation is there any mention of a deportation from Judea. Nor have any traces been found of large refugee populations around the borders of Judea after the uprising, as there would have been if a mass flight had taken place. The invention of the exile myth is rooted in the rise of Christian mythology in the second century. In this mythology, the Jews were exiled as punishment for their rejection and crucifixion of Jesus.

[@KimoKara-dt7uo]

​@@markwhite5926there was never israhell

[@markwhite5926]

@@KimoKara-dt7uo you know absolutely NOTHING

[@Eagle1836]

Let's see - is Al Jazeera unbiased? They are based in Qatar, which supports also Hamas. Hmmm is anyone believe that they can be unbiased even if they wanted to? Sham of journalism.

[@padisuromertani]

22:41 BRUHH, as atheist Indonesian myself i can tell you that The spread of Islam in Indonesia took place peacefully due to trade and inter-marrying with locals.... just like how Hinduism and Buddhism spread in Indonesia even before Islam comes to Indonesia... ain't no war nor conquest did take place in order only to spread Islam in Indonesia... get your fact and homework right next time

[@bluesky90010]

Hi do you also agree it was not the same with MANY other countries thet islam was spread by the sword rapeing of women children and the brutal murders by Islamic murderers 😢

[@gershommaes902]

"Jakarta", the name of the most populous city in indonesia, derives from the term "precious victory". Which precious victory is the city named after? The destruction of the hindu majapahit, at the hands of the muslim conquerors, including, for example, trenggana. These terms can easily be independently confirmed. Now... what peaceful spread of islam in indonesia are we talking about?

[@fesyuki-kun2332]

​@@gershommaes902 the one you don't like to acknowledge the caliphate did not even touch Indonesia

[@paulthomas281]

@@fesyuki-kun2332 Just because there was a not an external imperial caliphate present then does not make the history peaceful. Islam was spread by terror and coercion of elites and then locals in Java.

[@user-oi7ns7rv9z]

Let's drink beer with spicy pork bbq for world peace