Debate with Mahdi Tidjani Ft.

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[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

@@Swed813 Asalam Aleiki! May Allah guide us & brother Mehdi, he seems to have been wronged & in Islam doesn't mean doing other things wrong, we are the balanced path. He has some detailed points but he does over generalize at times too, Can I ask what video you are mentioning?

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

A big Issue facing Muslim men leads women to feminism is **BIDA!** It divides umma, & sufi batinis hide evidence & hence teach ext. taqlid, they justify this with imam extremism leading to shirk & grave worship (Q 9 :31). Tawhid ties to safety (Q 24 :55) This leads to colonies, division & women targeted, society reunites after the bida on secularism, when they should of been united on Sunnah - so how do we reject Bid'a for Sunnah! The 4 mathhabs many (Batini Sufi) imams use to push bid'a, they themselves said refer our statements to Quran and Sunnah! **Clear Sunni unity over blind bida'a division to beat liberalism on inside and colonies on the other side.** 1) Abu Hanifah : "It is prohibited (23) for someone who does not know my evidence to give verdicts (24) on the basis of my words." 2) Imam Malik : look into my opinions: all that agrees with the Book & Sunna, accept it; and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, ignore it." 3) Imam Shafi : "Muslims are unanimously agreed if a sunna is made clear to someone, it is not permitted (33) for him to leave it for the saying of anyone." 4) Imam Ahmad : "The opinion of Awzaa'i, Maalik, of Abu Haneefah: all of it is equal in my eyes. However, the proof is in the narrations (in the sunnah)." This is from the beautiful work of Sheikh Albani's Prophet prayer... **When we say Muhammadur Rasulalah it means our isnad ends with Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him whenever able!** The best interpretors of the Quran and Sunnah are the Sahabas, see Quran 9 :100!

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

Quran 4 : 32 - And wish not for the things in which Allah has made some of you to excel others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allah of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knower of everything. feminism is after tech revolt & before c. banks to switch profit from farm to debt slavery, of dark to both dark & light skin, dividing family w/ Xina ( Qoem Loot) & abortion, & creating a lobby yeahood class & inflate same $ struggled for. Its why Islam is answer forbids usury, balances etc. Be real women. The term is womb-man, the womb at a subcon suggests vulnerability as it ties to pregnancy, and makes Nisa in conflicts go to fight or flight mode earlier and overgeneralize with less info, this is why men are leaders, while Nisa are their detail oriented emotional helpers. The non Muslims de-structure the ppl while structuring tyranny, Islam structures and balances all! Islam we have 5 pillars to guide the community, 6 pillars of Iman to guide the individual (See hadith Jibril) & we have 5 protected pillars in shariah to guide society. This gives us unified building points for our deeds & direction and layer by layers guidance. The 5 Protected Pillars of Shariah are : 1) Din - or Religion. Truth is natural. atheism built 0 civilizations & Islam is the preserved faith others point to, humanity in whole Proves Islam true, & Allah is Just, All Wise Merciful. Allah made us needy pairs (Quran 36 : 36) & its a sign Allah is 1 (Surah Iklas). 2) Life Islam teaches halal diet & hygiene to prevent infection (& excess harm to animals). We reject extremism. Scholar Ibn Taymiya said there is no deviant group except there is a non Muslim behind it, today's cia iran or al queda is no different, & Islam is free of it. 3) Mind. Islam teaches transparency in their religion to guide and unite humanity under trust and building under preserved scripture and in material world with science method made by a Muslim to imitate the Qur'an's value of preserved and clear evidence. It also forbids harmful substances like intoxicants or Khamr. 4) Family. Islam teaches marriage preserving best family to build civilization. Ppl are not born "Qoem Loot" - id twins study & basic genetics show, also they banned from bio donations (should be again registered like suicide or addiction), many revert when wanting a family, & have higher self infliction then refugees. Singles are recommended fasting (like Ramadan, but 2x a week) at puberty to maintain gratefulness & chastity & resets the body (like a climax). 5) Money Islam teaches Zakat as its 5th pillar of Islam, this inspired social benefits (not socialism necessarily), to spread wealth and feed the needy and in addition Islam forbade wasting wealth like with gambling or unjust trade like unequal lending or undercutting etc. --- Quran 2 : 31 - And He (Allah) taught Adam all the names ... - Learning vocabulary with concept is important, its picked up naturally like a baby picks up a new language before its first memory! Fard al Ayn - Obligatory on every individual Muslim. (Like hadith Jibril) Fard ul Khaffaya - Obligatory on specialist Muslims - based on the sciences of Islam, among the first is Tawhid in Allah's Attributes, and among others is learning extracting the rulings from Quran & Sunna to Shariah Law to cure societies ills! May Allah guide us , and thank you for reading, kindly spread the truth!

[@abdulkadiral-albani5994]

@@Swed813 Sahih

[@abdulkadiral-albani5994]

Don’t seek money mr. Gabriel. !

[@irfaankhan8035]

Brother Gabriel, the Ummah is blessed to have someone like you. May Allah swt bless you and continue to grant you the Haqq that comes from your tongue.

[@afraas7176]

Jazak Allahu khayran brother Gabriel for defending our honour , the honour of the Muslim sisters. May Allah honour you in the akhirah. May He increase you in beneficial knowledge and wisdom and grant you and your family Jannatul firdaus. Allahumma Aameen.

[@usmaan1936]

Allahumma ameen

[@Dr.JudeAEMasonMD]

Masha’Allah!

[@juxtapositionMS]

He couldn't defend your honor as a divorcee. He embarrassed you divorcees.

[@Marwadear512]

@@juxtapositionMS He is on Haqq Alhumdulillah, showing prophetic character to those who would prefer to follow the pimps, celebrities, atheists, and playboys of our modern Ummah down their lizard hole.

[@juxtapositionMS]

@@Marwadear512 Not really. You will call him out really out loud when he will say cooking and cleaning are women's job. You will call him out when he advocates for polygyny and will be surprised to know that he has three wives. You will call him out when he says women shouldn't work outside. You will tear him of he says husbands love their wife because you yourself are supposedly a love deprive woman. So he is on selective haqq now for you. Do you get the hypocrisy here?

[@yashaikha7324]

Thankyou Brother for defending the women Men are the protectors of women and this is a good example of how it should be done With truth and balanced straightforwardness This video has solidified my opinion about you Allah reward you and protect you Give you the best in this life and the hereafter

[@iliasz.5232]

Beautifully put.

[@RochelleHa]

Agree

[@bilals1279]

Both Gabriel and Mahdi were speaking facts.

[@user-pe2ke1uc1q]

Brother Gabriel went beast mode, got his point across crystal clear

[@sheikh8980]

Yes he did, poor form for a counsellor. Inability to listen and liking the sound of his own voice, nice chap though.

[@NotesfromtheFuturesPast]

@@sheikh8980 🤣

[@sheikh8980]

@ you clearly have no idea what the issues are, thus people like mahdi will always have a platform and following.

[@fbr29]

@@sheikh8980 I'm curious do you support Mahdi's views on women?

[@sheikh8980]

@@fbr29thank you, finally, someone has asked me directly - the answer is no I don't, he is misguided and often whether intentional or not, disparages all women divorced or otherwise. I do however, fully understand and appreciate why many men do follow him and hold onto his every word. Mahdi is a reaction to issues which our Muslim leaders and scholars are failing to address, and that is my position. To rid the world of misguided people such as mahdi, our Muslim leaders need to step up and stop being so Liberal and apologetic.

[@fbr29]

Brother Gabriel speaks the truth and has always had the sister's best interest at heart. He doesn't take inspiration from any type of philosophy or man-made ideology such as the toxic 'red pill' but follows the islamic principle in all aspects. Also I hope after this people can see how brother Gabriel is the complete opposite to being a 'misogynistic'.

[@princeequalizer3715]

That's why his claims were irrifutable

[@sheikh8980]

It's because he's been called a mysogynist that he tried hard on this podcast to placate the sisters and thus came of as rude and antagonising.

[@fbr29]

@@sheikh8980 I don't think so...I feel he watched mahdi's video's and if you watch them for the first time there's a shock factor in his manner and the way he talks about women and obviously he disagreed with his concepts. Br Gabriel is saying that divine revelation precedes the red pill we should live according to quran and sunnah and that divorced women shouldn't be written off. He still maintains women should be at home and continues to oppose feminisim. I've watched a lot of his talks and he never falters whether its challenging mufti menk or refuting Mahdi his stance is clear quran and sunnah, the sharia, ALLAH SWT.

[@sheikh8980]

@@fbr29 oh he definitely did, just check all the comments from viewers, it's not just me saying this. No doubt he will address this in one of his videos and proceed to call us cowards etc etc, which is fine.

[@fbr29]

@@sheikh8980 Well it comes down to different perspective you might say antagonising whilst others would say passionate and with good cause. Sometimes our prophet pbuh used to turn red in the face whilst giving the khutbah. Besides this mahdi guy really needed telling i'm not a divorcee but its completley unacceptable how he refers to them or talks about women in general no adab whatsoever. Br Gabriel takes the deen seriously his not after anyone's approval and will continue on his path.

[@marialevi1048]

This was BEAAAAUTIFUL!!

[@sataarsediqi783]

Brother Gabriel you are a gem. May Allah protect you and bless you with more knowledge and wisdom and I hope and pray that you never be changed and stay in the right path and your intention may always be for the sake of Allah.

[@emansayed-ahmed2278]

Brother Gabriel's mic cutting out but he still ON POINT

[@ALLAHSHAHAADA]

The reason why I love brother Gabriel is for a revert you have to respect the man. He loves and protect Islam more then so many of us born Muslim. He doesn’t play with anyone that plays with the Qu’ran and the sunnah. Well done Sir! May Allah protect you and your family. You inspired me to learn more about Islam.

[@lauratilley8603]

As a recent revert and a divorced woman from the west...it hurts the heart to think some muslim men would follow an ideology devaluing divorced women...may Allah change their hearts and minds....ameen

[@aldeen9190]

@@lauratilley8603 You must make dua for sisters that follow an ideology called feminism

[@excuseme9458]

@@lauratilley8603 those types of men are the ones you don't want anyway, you're not missing out on the ones who don't want you.

[@sarhan5568]

Gabriel I thank you for your patience and the time you took to speak on behalf of righteous unbiased men. Barakallah fik akhi.

[@luckmanali187]

Bruv CAM ON

[@mohammed96011]

Gabriel laid down principles that were impossible to refute. All because they were derived from revelation.

[@mohammed1671995]

This statement is incorrect

[@anthonyblandon1804]

I agree with you

[@ybtl]

Can you name rhe principles you took from this vid?

[@iliasz.5232]

@@ybtl just watch the video brother.. don't be silly.

[@ybtl]

@@iliasz.5232 Yeah I did... A waste of time I can tell you... Nothing beneficial in it... Two people talking different conversations not angaging with eachothers questions and just busy trying to prove whos right rather then what is is right... "Silly".... You might want to try and have respect for youe fellow muslims... Is this what you learned from the video? Degrading and insulting your discussion partner is an argument? That the principle you learnes?

[@StarsabovetheEmeraldForest]

Allah has blessed brother Gabriel with knowledge and patience. Brother Gabriel came through with facts based on Quran and sunnah, you can’t dispute it. Just because you come up with new terms and start encouraging men not to marry divorced women, and like sheep, they listen. Allah made it clear on the issue of marrying divorced women and polygamy. Allah is the one we should trust in because He has given us divine revelation. You should not advise Muslim men to do the opposite on issues that are clear in the Quran if you are not an Islamic authority. May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

[@sheikh8980]

Yes u should follow quran and sunnah, which is marry a virgin as a first preference.

[@pakamatpakamat8199]

Exactly,but atleast first advice polygamy,it's a taboo in our society.

[@StarsabovetheEmeraldForest]

@@sheikh8980 the Quran says for both men and women, it is the chaste for the chaste, fornicator for the fornicator. If a man is a virgin then yes his first choice should be a virgin, but if he has a “history/fornicated then he may have to get someone with the same history. The problem is men having a history, but then demanding a virgin wife. Women don’t want a man with a high body count either.

[@sheikh8980]

@@StarsabovetheEmeraldForest a man even if not a virgin can have a preference for a virgin, women disagree with this and that's the problem. You have clearly taken one hadith in isolation and ignored the others.

[@DropYourFace]

@@StarsabovetheEmeraldForest how funny is it that you come with your opinions and your own made up fatwas with horrible interpretations. And then you say “our arguments are clear upon Quran and Sunnah” listen, if there’s a hadith about marrying young virgin women, then that is it. Don’t run away from it. It is the reality, it is always recommended no matter what. Mahdi has a huge basis upon that hadith.

[@Marwadear512]

Br. Gabriel killed it. I loved hearing his words and watching this. Thank you brother, may Allah swt bless you and your family and all that you are striving to do. It is so very appreciated.

[@abdikadiryussuf2961]

As a divorced man, if I was to follow my desires I would support Mahdi. However, given the fact that a lot of marriages end up in divorce. You can't just say marry someone whos never been married before over a divorcee. Because there is a good chance the virgin sister will also become a divorcee. Personally, I am inclined to marry a divorcee that was in an oppressive marriage because she will be greatful for the good treatment. However, the one that has never been married may be ungrateful with her husband.

[@centric145]

I agree.I believe a divorcee having already an experience will evaluate her mistakes(if any)or use her experience to care more so not to pass again through a divorce.

[@RedRose-cn8ln]

@@centric145 agree 💯

[@sundus9947]

Oppressir

[@centric145]

@Cutless Fury Isn t it strange that humans put themselves in such risky situation by their own will?A bad marriage can destroy you.Why humans are so dumb?🤔

[@SM-ly5tf]

A virgin is preferred over a widow/divorcee, according to authentic hadith

[@afraas7176]

55:05 😂 the burden of proof has been twisted on me - Brother Gabriel I so agree lol ..... enjoying this debate so much Ma SHA Allah Gabriel akhi

[@ibrahimablack4774]

Gabriel is checking the brothers AGAIN, love this brother he is not joking with Koran and Sunnah!!

[@anthonyblandon1804]

Yes he did correct MashAllah! I

[@iliasz.5232]

His work is amazing. His courage is immense.

[@peshwak9575]

This is basically another Feminism but the Male's version سبحان الله both extremism

[@rdean1057]

Radical Meminism

[@7aemr]

its a result of feminism, men want to defend themselves so thats where red pill comes into place. nonetheless, both are not correct.

[@peshwak9575]

@@7aemr yes true

[@abdullahiomar6561]

Exactly both extremism . Qur'an and sunnah is medicine for this diseases .

[@floydlawton5072]

You have never watched a video from the red pill community but have such a total opinion

[@mmag3768]

Al Romani should be renamed Al Assasin. Very learned and man with no confusions. Absolute clarity. Mashallah

[@truthoverfalsehood__8757]

His face reveals manhood he has the clarity look of the manly men of the 18th hundreds , while red pill people lool like confused angry children

[@um9532]

Islam gives you that. Alhamdulillah mashaAllah

[@mmag3768]

@@um9532 mahdi speaks to subset of men. I see his point n he conducted himself very well. There is truth to what he says. But its not the truth for all men.

[@aldeen9190]

@@mmag3768 omg stop with that sht there is my truth there is your truth truth is one

[@mmag3768]

@@aldeen9190 okay Mr Tiger

[@hanzalamehmood2991]

From my experience whenever two differ upon something, the one who’s referring back to Quran and sunnah is always correct. Whilst the other who is only referring to their own experiences, opinions or even studies they are usually the one who’s been misguided. And here we see a good example of that. بارك الله فيك brother Gabriel and Mahdi.

[@hamzashahzad5889]

It is according to Quran and Sunnah to prefer virgins for marriage over non-virgins according to advice of Holy Prophet(PBUH) to a sahabi perhaps jabir ibn Abdullah. Also, in jannah why do you think there is a mention of virgin women for the people in jannah. Of course, this doesn't mean that we should disrespect divorcee women just like we shouldn't disrespect a poor or a short guy.

[@lail111]

@@hamzashahzad5889 The prophet pbuh asked Jabir ra why he didn't marry a virgin he then replied that the virgin would come between him and his sisters when the prophet pbuh found out the context he said to Jabir then that is better for you. This advice was specifically for Jabir who was a very young man there is no proof that this was a general advice for all men The prophet's first wife Khadijah ra was a divorcee 15 years his senior all his other wives were widows and divorcees except Ayesha ra so your statement is very wrong the prophet didn't explicitly advise men to marry virgins and abandon divorcees and widows he lead by example we are supposed to follow the way of the prophet as Muslims and not pick and choose which hadiths and verses we like and discard the rest or ignore aspects of his life we don't want to follow. The prophet proved there's no stigma attached to being a divorcee or a widow you people are bringing back jahlyia the prophet pbuh fought so hard to eradicate. This is not just about disrespect there is nothing wrong with marrying divorcees and widows the prophet never stigmatized it or spoke against it. Jannah is not like this world in jannah we can drink wine and live in palaces.

[@hamzashahzad5889]

@@lail111 Still, men prefer young, beautiful and virgin women for marriage over old, less attractive and non virgin women. It doesn't mean any disrespect to divorcee women, nor do i think that no one should marry divorcee women. Also, please understand that it is much difficult to live with a divorcee women than with a woman who is not divorced because you most probably will have to deal with her ex husband and ex husband's family which will be very unpleasant but can't be ignored because then it might become even much worse( ignoring other factors so we can make sense of this specific point). Poor, diseased,disabled,less intelligent,simps and short men also need marriage but they won't be my first priority for the marriage of my daughter.

[@hamzashahzad5889]

@@lail111 It is better for a woman to become a second,third or fourth wife of a competent man than to become the wife of a non competent man. Perhaps, that'll solve the problem of divorcees and widows.

[@lail111]

@@hamzashahzad5889 I understand your concerns and you're entitled to your preferences but divorcees and widows can also be young and beautiful they are many young girls who are divorced the ex husband might not even be in the picture I guess it comes down to culture.

[@iliasz.5232]

Thank you Gabriel. That's all I want to say right now.

[@anthonyblandon1804]

This debate reminds of khabib (Gabriel) vs Conor mcgregor (Mahdi) Brother Gabriel was on point came with Quran and sunnah! And no BS or fluff talk, Straight to the point no dancing or fancy speech. Brother Mahdi, came with kalam, philosophical speech. And the little use of Quran and sunnah at certain points but used it in a weak way. And the ahlaq of Gabriel was good to me he was just frustrated with dancing of Mahdi.

[@anthonyblandon1804]

So no one takes it out of context of khabib vs mcgregor analogy in the sense that shaykh Gabriel mauled him with Quran and sunnah and Mahdi couldn’t defend himself with his philosophical hypothetical speech.

[@omarking1411]

SubhanAllah, I found this really frustrating to listen to, talk about dodging the questioning and refusing to clarify. If Medhi was actually bothered, he would have watched the previous video and made notes to clarify his position and actually explained his thoughts regarding redpill and why he's adapted it to his life while using an Islamic spin onto it. A simple and direct question is asked but always ignored and evaded by asking a counter question 🤦🏽‍♂️ When ego and defensiveness leads you, logic and rationality switches off, therefore no real discussion can ever take place.

[@amazizi7783]

Brother Gabriel has been very patient. May Allah reward him.

[@amatul7ayy]

👏🏽💯

[@BigBoss_85]

Gabriel well done my brother. You got straight to the point every time. Mahdi just kept trying to avoid answering the question by asking his own questions and then trying to divert to a different point.

[@sofyanachi784]

I liked the argument that we have to look at each case separately. It may be that a woman is divorced 3 times but in these 3 times she was tested with a men that became misguided. Or it may be that a woman has divorced 2 times in her pre-islamic time and has done tawbah and learned. It is unjust not to look at details and make a negative general statement about divorced woman. Even a positive one can be misleading because it wouldn't be applicable in cases that are rather negative. Taqwa is a very good indication to say at least. If not just the main reason to marry a person that wants to marry you. Wa Allahu a'lam

[@coolcat6341]

Well said,,, I know a women who is that situation with three marriages, and another sister who got divorce cause the husband wanted her to remove head scarf and wear short clothing.

[@mamadoudiallo6453]

Thank you to both brothers for this discussion. Brother Gabriel definitely made more sense in his arguments, which is not surprising as Islam is derived from the Quran and Sunnah, if you try doing otherwise you cannot make sense at all. Brother Mahdi was not convincing when it comes to linking the Red pill concept to Islam. Again thank you both for this discussion.

[@af-tx8sp]

Gabriel is a blessing to the world

[@muhammadyusuf007]

Brother Gabriel laid it down! Brother Mahdi using basic arguments and responding to questions with his own questions. This wasn't a debate, this was a class - Brother Gabriel Teaching Brother Mahdi. Hopefully lesson was taken lol

[@mediha90]

Mahdi, gabriels message isnt dangerous at all. I had little issues with my husband and they disappeared because of his dawah. JazakAllah khair

[@MAhmed-zs2vp]

Brother Mahdi you will be able to do so much good if you start learning and processing the Deen of Allah

[@mufunyiibrahim3655]

There's a big difference between the deen and what is happening in the society now.for example feminism is real

[@MAhmed-zs2vp]

@@mufunyiibrahim3655 there is but Deen always helps, while being aware of the rest. Feminism is awful.

[@mufunyiibrahim3655]

@@MAhmed-zs2vp how has deen helped to curb feminism and high divorce rates

[@mohameda5947]

@@mufunyiibrahim3655 by following the deen you automatically curb feminism and divorce rates

[@shaestatarannum7177]

Brother Gabriel..Thank ALLAH for you...Stay same..Wish you more knowledge and success

[@abuamina112]

Mehdi should be a politician. He keep answering a question with a question.

[@rutaz6176]

😂

[@thegamechanger3317]

@@rutaz6176underrated

[@307834ST]

😂

[@Marwadear512]

Can we keep having more of these, like once a year or so, to continue combatting harmful modern ideologies and help to better steer the potentially misguided?

[@MemecoinAlfaCalls]

I agree with Brother Gabriel. You cant paint all divorced men & women with the same brush. You have to look at each one case by case.

[@mohameda5947]

a person who submits to The Creator wholeheartedly is certainly different than one who does not. this difference can also be found in their psyche too.

[@mohameda5947]

@shauci sorry, what?

[@HitherandYarn]

I was once a divorcee. I remember being described by Tidjani as "inferior material for marriage." Such a crock.

[@HitherandYarn]

@@owaisrazzak9839 You are wrong, no one is inferior for marriage. You sound very young and inexperienced.

[@rosemarie6347]

​@Owais Razzak are you selling tomato 🍅, what's is the market place you're talking about?

[@HitherandYarn]

@Owais Razzak It depends on the woman of course. Taking care of orphan children is as noble as taking care of "orphan" women is it not?

[@HitherandYarn]

I want to add something, My son's first wife was a virgin. She cheated on him. My son's second wife was a virgin and they had two kids. She cheated on him after 20 years. He should marry whom he gets along with best at the time. There' is no predicting these outcomes. Women who have no experience are more likely to cheat in my culture. It doesn't mean they all will.

[@HitherandYarn]

@Owais Razzak I'm not missing anything dear.

[@O4ASAP]

A/a, much respect for brother Al Romani as always.

[@RazorStan]

Brother Gabriel is the man we need right now. He’s so clear in his words and almost intellectually above the rest in this discussion. No offence. And Mahdi has been led astray so far that he can’t even realise it

[@shayed9930]

I believe he has retracted some of his statements. He has realized it.

[@deltrotter3371]

Lol this was like an older brother disciplining his younger brother.

[@sanaazaha6606]

Masha Allah brother Al Romani. Rabi hafdek! Support his work ya Ummah!

[@Onajourney519]

What Mahdi fails to state is those same principles I also used to look at men in that way, if I came across a man with multiple women I would see that as a red flag, can this man stay committed does he get bored? Ect.....

[@teckgeekwiz9088]

Br Gabriel literally smacked the red pill guy. Alhamdulillah for Islam.

[@amatullahnet5022]

Mahdi doesn't understand statistics. Aside from the points that brother Gabriel already raised, there is a big difference if the statistic mahdi keeps on quoting about divorcees if about non Muslim women or Muslim women. İf a Muslim women states in a statistic she has been divorced once, very likely she had one partner. İf a non Muslim woman has been divorced once, she might have had 10 partners on average. İf a Muslim woman was divorced twice, very likely she had 2 partners. İf a non Muslim woman was divorced twice, she might have had 15-20 partners on average etc.

[@juxtapositionMS]

No, it wouldn't make much difference as I already know the statistics in the Muslim country I live in. It's same. Even Gabriel mentioned this in his other podcast too. So previously he agreed with the stat but now he didn't.

[@amatullahnet5022]

@@juxtapositionMS give me the statistic.

[@juxtapositionMS]

@Waq Qas So a woman can divorce her husband if ge doesn't keep beard?

[@juxtapositionMS]

@@amatullahnet5022 80% where I live in.

[@amatullahnet5022]

@@juxtapositionMS please provide that statistic. Many people don't know how to understand statistics correctly. I watched that red pill documentary and they stated in a statistic that 99 percent of soldiers dying in combat are male and 1 percent female. Like are you kidding me? Of course the absolute overwhelming majority of COMBAT soldiers are of course men. This is like saying that in a country like North Korea, that 99 percent of all crimes are committed by North Koreans. How many foreigners live in North Korea to be able to commit crimes?

[@yellowlemons]

I was married to a virgin for twenty years. Got divorced and married a divorcee for the last three years. She's a mother of four, I'm a dad of two. Best decision of my life.

[@luckmanali187]

So bro u were married for 20yrs and she still remained a virgin how why ?

[@yellowlemons]

@@luckmanali187 very funny 😂

[@luckmanali187]

@@yellowlemons hahahaha sorry bro its the way u worded it 😂

[@Itfuture-gg1yz]

you are extreme exception ... i wouldn't do what you did neever

[@Strijder013]

Imam al Ghazali says in ihyaa ulum a deen: There are three benefits if a virgin girl is married. She loves her husband. The woman who enjoyed husband is generally addicted to her previous husband. Another benefit is that the love of the husband for his wife becomes perfect and the third benefit is that a virgin girl will not have occasion to grieve for a previous husband.

[@munaAhd156]

The most laughable thing is that Mahdi himself has been divorced 3 times 😂😂😂 imagine taking marriage advice from him. It’s a joke really

[@AminulIslam-qb8lc]

still 2 wives are with him

[@tanzilaleeya]

Brother Gabriel has patience . SubhanAllah. Thank u brother Gabriel for focusing on the Quran and Sunnah

[@hermano6793]

Gabriel layed down Irrefutable principles from the deen meanwhile brother Mahdi tried to get technical and evade the actual point of discussion 'is red pill completely compatible with Islam?'.

[@sheikh8980]

It may not be compatible, but necessary as Muslims feminists have skewed everything.

[@hermano6793]

@@sheikh8980 No, just as feminism is a filthy ideology, red pill is too. Just as it does not befit a Muslim woman to ascribe to feminism the same way it does not befit a Muslim man to ascribe to red pill in its entirety. Both ideologies have kuffri principles deeply entrenched at their cores and hence are detrimental to Islamic values. Rather what solved everything is Islam itself and only Islam - the Quran, Sunnah and athar of the pious predecessors.

[@sheikh8980]

@@hermano6793 red pill is a necessary evil to take Liberal apologist Muslims. What did they expect, for peeps to sit around and just take it.

[@sheikh8980]

@@hermano6793 and as far as quran and sunnah is concerned, even scholars and sheikhs don't follow it, muslim ummah is a mess.

[@mufunyiibrahim3655]

@@hermano6793 so when red pill highlights that women are hypergamous in nature it becomes a lie? When it encourages men to put everything together in terms of finances, fitness etc it becomes toxic? This is the ignorance that needs to end.the quran and sunna is there but has it prevented divorce rates,has marriage improved or not with Time? I would rather live in truth than ignorance and lies the society, media etc is telling us

[@s.6986]

Allah exposed him, Jazakallahu kheiran for this podcast!

[@pinkflower6872]

Subhanallah! Even with all those technological issues, brother Gabriel really made a good point. As much as I disagree with Mehdi, may Allah guide him. He’s young and he’s trying to follow the latest trends. May Allah guide him to the truth, inshallah he changes for the better.

[@emaani200]

Agree with brother Gabriel 💯

[@laylayee5613]

I don't know why people even waste their precious time on someone like Mahdi, his agenda is as clear as daylight. Also, it's funny he advises against marrying divorcees when he himself has been divorced twice. In his eyes women should avoid marrying divorced men like himself.

[@mohameda5947]

rami was right about the probability points not being a sole factor for decision making because in modern society half of marriages especially in europe and north america are ending up in divorces, so what? should we turn away from marriage? no, rather something else is wrong in those cases that have been evaluated and ended up divorce. 1:11:00

[@deathcador]

When the topic is about advising not to marry divorcees it's already entered the realm of the deen. But Mahdi here is not being honest during discussion, he tried to interrogate Br. Gabriel and having him explain himself while it's Mahdi the one who should explain himself, and he drag the discussion into the realm of semantic and definition: "Do you think redpill is ideology?" "why you think so?" "wrong it's not ideology, it's praxeology, do you know what it is?" It's the task of moderator to moderate this. Rami did decent job, Aghel mostly spectating, while Faiyad is really inclined to Mahdi. I really hope it's tackled by more experience moderator, someone like Ali or Hijab, and I hope Gabriel have a good relation with them because these are good brothers. Gabriel, Akhi, jazakallah khair!

[@yasinhamza574]

I agree 100%

[@szsa1926]

Brother Gabriel is on fire

[@amnaayub9129]

SubhanAllah, you know what’s amazing, the fact that brother Gabriel gets so much hate from women, when Wallahi during this debate this man felt like my real brother defending all Muslim women of this ummah. This is not simply because he is brother Gabriel, it is because by the Tawfeeq of Allah SWT he is sticking to the Quran and Sunnah, through which if a person abides by they will get victory no matter what, May Allah keep him sincere Ameen. May Allah bless brother Mehdi, but I would like to say no matter what statistics a person brings, if it is something that goes against the teachings of our Prophet SAW, then we throw those numbers across the wall and take what our beloved Prophet SAW said. These nonmuslims say that drinking a cup of wine a day is good for the heart, bottoms up? No, because it is clearly forbidden in Islam. Similarly, it is the sunnah of our Messenger and a part of our deen to marry divorced women. And I don’t care if the entire dunya United to say this, because Allah SWT already swore by time that all of humanity is at loss, except for those who believe, do righteous actions, advise towards the truth and our patient upon it. It is upon us to follow the actions that are halal and tayyib the rest of it is up to Allah SWT, and for us to be patient upon whatever His decree is. And May Allah SWT guide us all and make it easy. Allahuma Ameen

[@sarahjaguard6314]

Gabriel is on point and mahdi sorry to say is going to destroy a lot of young men’s minds and perspectives. It’s not even compatible with our deen the views that he propagates and it’s quite dangerous what he’s doing. He needs therapy to deal with his past traumas related to his failed marriages etc .. so what is mahdis solution for divorced women then? What solution would he give to his female family members should they get divorced one day?

[@preciousstone37]

Let me make it abundantly clear when " todays MEN" who have no authority, no character stand on a platform and talk about women be they single, virgin , divorced, whatever "no woman wants to be with them". You treat women like they are a cattle market at your disposal. NO! GET IT IN YOUR HEADS WOMEN DO NOT LIKE TO BE TALKED ABOUT . We belong to Allah swt and to him we shall return and he will judge not YOU!

[@billybro1403]

he has no solution for women. He is a guy fill of problems, not solutions, sadly.

[@خديجةبنرحو]

Mashallah brother ✨

[@noname-ms3zc]

Asalamu aleykom

[@aminaahmet1025]

This calmness of Mahdi is just a mask.

[@Justallahloves]

Sooooo trueeeee brother Gabriel smashed him with the truthfulness, despite this guy being sooo annoying

[@taofikshote8028]

Subhana'Allaah, Allaah put the truth in Bro. Gabriel Al Romaani mouth. Brother Gabriel Al Romaani arguments were solid, with proofs from Qur'an and Sunnah, and he totally dismantle the Red Pill movement, and by the way, Red Pill is an idealogy, which is totally at odds with Islam... jazaka'Allaahu khair Brother Gabriel Al Romaani for making the differences between Islam and Red Pill clear to me. The Red Pill movement foundation was not built on Islam, it was built on hedonism and materialism.

[@abumaalik9272]

Lool...they kept on asking for a specific point and Gabriel was very clear, the point is Mahdi's views on marrying divorcees.

[@juxtapositionMS]

Yes, but what's the issue with his view? Where was he wrong and why was he wrong? That was his question.

[@AshG321M]

I subscribed to your channel once I saw this debate in the 2 Muslims channel, may Allah bless you brother

[@ripekaz]

Two weeks ago i was given a marriage proposal by a Muslim man aged 40. Truth is he wanted my 13 y/ o daugther as a virgin bride. Im not a Muslim but i want to be, I’ll admit that I’m having trouble swallowing this topic because I love my daughter dearly and I’m struggling because the possibility could be bad for her, if I become a Muslim, if I get it wrong my daughter could be victimised. may Allah guide and protect me and my daughter from all untruths and reconcile our knowing to Allah and to truth. Please make dua for us. And forgive me for my ignorance I have stopped communication with this man and I won’t have communication with him again, god willing ^^

[@excuseme9458]

This is definitely not normal. You just stay away from those types.

[@pakamatpakamat8199]

That old man,must settle for a old woman.

[@Dr.JudeAEMasonMD]

@@pakamatpakamat8199 40 is definitely not old, but to propose to a woman to take her daughter as a wife is duplicitous at best, and pedophilia at worst.

[@ibrahimlorgat5829]

Stay away from this, guy,brother.

[@ripekaz]

Alhumdullilah, this experience introduced me to Islam.

[@ybtl]

Shaykh Mustafa al-Ruhaybaani said: “It is Sunnah for the one who wants to get married to marry a virgin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Jaabir, ‘Why not a virgin whom you could play with and she could play with you?’ (agreed upon) - unless there is a reason for which marrying a previously-married woman is better, in which case he should choose such a woman over a virgin, in order to serve that interest.”(Mataalib Uli al-Nuha, 5/9, 10) And just a side note, Jaabir married the mature wome so she could help raise his sisters as his father had passed away, not because a young women per se would cause a problem, unless that is what you meant with causing a problem...

[@rootsandculture819]

Total respect for Gabriel. Thank you

[@1MeaningfulLife]

Mahdi is full of stigma when it comes to divorced women, what if a sister who has taqwa gets married to the wrong man and gets divorced? What if that sister is tested with divorce for more than once? What if that sister fulfills all four conditions that women should be married for? is she still disposible in your opinion? Life is not black and white, you cant look at life from one single angle, best way to deal with real life situation is quran and sunnah.

[@Strijder013]

The stigma is justified, most divorces are actually initiated by woman and mostly NOT because the husband abuses the woman. Moreover a woman who has had previous sexual partners are more likely to have a failed marriage. They also have emotional baggage and can have the tendency to compare the current husband with the previous.

[@amatul7ayy]

1:50:53 "Lets not bore the audience"?! After all the facts Sh. Gabriel just spilled?! Subhanallah how disrespectful. My boy, you're surely the only one getting bored cause seemingly your own blabber is the only thing that gets you going. May Allah protect us! So sorry for Sh. Gabriel to having to waste his time with such an argumentative nonsensical person.

[@dowiethatmuslimfella.363]

I watched this debate & I’m in agreement with brother Gabriel. I know this brother Mehdi & have had a live stream debate with him although I was not as articulate & educated as brother Gabriel. I would love for brother Gabriel to give me some advice inshallah.

[@dowiethatmuslimfella.363]

@@a-n3135 thank you for this reply I appreciate it. 👍🏽

[@dowiethatmuslimfella.363]

@@a-n3135 yes your right 👊🏽. May Allah guide him to the straight path & guide those that follow him onto the straight path. Ameen

[@dowiethatmuslimfella.363]

@@a-n3135 thank you I will read through this properly later. I will need to take some notes maybe. Appreciate your help & Time.

[@B.Y.A]

90% of the debate i watched on 3muslims, brother Mahdi looked humble, i anticipeted hin to be agressive MashAllah. Br.Gabiel also had good manner and good intention for advising him.

[@a.person8209]

Yazaki Allah keyr brother Gabriel ❤ May Allah be your defender on the day of judgment InshAllah! You are a real man, a Muslim man. We need more brothers like you, who are real men.

[@mohameda5947]

whatever that has happened in the past for both men and women only matters if it is an ongoing issue, and if it effects them and or others negatively. a person who submits to The Creator is not one who submits to their whims and desires. so if you suppose that this person has something in their life that deeply effects or shapes their thinking and/or actions, and that thing isn't islam, then they're already off side so to speak.

[@MoSiddeek]

Btw, in Egypt 88% of divorces are initiated by women. We need to educate Muslimas that marriage is a sacred bond and is a struggle, and you can't just leave it because it doesn't match what Disney and TikTok has told you. I agree with Gabriel on: If you're a revert, or you were in an abusive relationship, none of this applies to you, and you shouldn't listen to Mahdi. But I agree with Mahdi on: If you left your marriage because you were immature, you have to face the just consequences.

[@MoSiddeek]

Source for that 88% stat: look up "خلع مصر احصاء"

[@1MeaningfulLife]

Mostly, majority of women like to be with their first husband if he is a good person who takes care of her, but if it doesnt work for her that way, why should ppl label her as disposable? Brother gabriel brought up an example where a sister that was tested with the wrong man for two times and mahdi distracted the point by saying 'is that the majority', but forget about majority or minority, does that specific sister with that specific case have a third or fourth chance in your opinion mahdi?

[@jfknows6542]

Yes! Exactly well said brother Gabriel Allahuma bariq, it’s about time we were harsh when our sunnah is being misconstrued and/or we’re being misguided. Alhamdulilah we’ve finally put it all to rest…

[@sheikh8980]

There was no need to be harsh, unless that was his intention from the very beginning.

[@jfknows6542]

@@sheikh8980 there IS a need to be firm/harsh it’s the sunnah you’re playing with then we have to address this sternly

[@sheikh8980]

@@jfknows6542 nope you are wrong, Gabriel let himself down, and he is meant to be a counsellor.

[@jfknows6542]

@@sheikh8980 he took the Islamic stance of refutation and how to conduct it. He’s a Muslim first and his obligation is to conduct things in an Islamic manner and he’s a councillor second which he’s made clear in a lot of his work

[@sheikh8980]

@@jfknows6542 yes he did, very poor form.

[@deenavela267]

Brother Gabriel won the debate! Period!

[@aburaccoon7375]

EMOTIONS vs LOGIC. u smashed it Gabe

[@josephstar1883]

Emotions were only coming from Gabriel clearly. He was he only one trying to dominate him through raising his voice and down talking against mahdi. Which was rude and uneccesary! Mahdi was calm and was trying to use logic. I am not saying either of them are wrong. But your point is invalid.

[@fahadb8611]

Brother what did u expect from online shiekh mahdi

[@fauzistudentofknowledge]

How accountable Gabriel was, For the sake of Allah. The more knowledge you have, the more responsibility you should burden

[@onlyallahisworthyofworship5599]

To be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but by looking at the matter through a different perspective and without being condemning of one's outlook and by trying to make it an objective to consider everyone's valid opinion, and accepting everyone's different interpretations, as well as truly being acceptant of those who are mendacious of a different aspect of the viewpoint, this sums up the debate.

[@naimaahmed3645]

Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@amatul7ayy]

👌

[@aammujahid354]

Brother Gabriel try to influence Mahdi to be a talib e ilm. For the sake Allah. ZazakAllah khairan

[@beauty_beast5068]

I feel like Mahdi was avioding/not answering the questions properly. Instead of him explaining himself, it felt like Gabriel was being interviewed by Mahdi instead. Mahdi barely discussed his conclusion for his reasoning for why the red pill movement is compatible with Islam. Also, the red pill movement is the polar opposite of feminism, they come from the same tree, the opposite gender is the problem.

[@omarking1411]

My thoughts exactly.

[@beauty_beast5068]

@@omarking1411 Great minds think alike!

[@beauty_beast5068]

@Waq QasFrom where did you get this from? Which point of Darwinism? Also, many muslims don't accept it because it does not completely come from the hadith and sunnah not because of Darwinism. If you look closely at the Darwinism theory some of it comes from racism and we know that the theory on evolution is incorrect so we can establish that Darwinism is not reliable or always factual.

[@juxtapositionMS]

Mahdi is the one who has been logical from the beginning. He knows what he says. He spot on right asking brother Gabriel what is red pill as he knows Gabriel doesn't have deep insight on the matter. Pretty smart.

[@ALLAHSHAHAADA]

Exactly what I was thinking too. I feel like he was interviewing brother Gabriel instead of a explaining his points smh

[@Strijder013]

The scholars agree that it is generally better to marry the virgins. I don’t know why it is so offensive

[@aminah761]

Do we follow scholars or the prophet Muhammad sahlahi wa salaam . We follow the sunnah

[@bigboywasim]

@@aminah761You think the scholars made it up ?

[@deenavela267]

How dangerous it is to tell young men not to marry a divorced women SubhanAllah... imagine a man keeps searching for a virgin while rejecting good divorced women and in a very long process he commits zina??? I mean, don’t have children right away with divorced women if you are soo worried, but give it a try to protect yourself from a sin that Allah swt said not to come near to.

[@coolcat6341]

I know a young Muslim women who asked for divorce cause her husband was forcing her to remove hijab and wear modern reavling cloth,,, it's sad

[@shaestatarannum7177]

Mahdi wouldn't have imagined anti feminist and rightfully so.. tearing Into him ..This video shows his(Gabriel's)clarity of mind related to Islam

[@aikoshoujo9730]

I agree with brother Gabriel. To be honest i fear this idea of "running a mile a way from divorced sisters" will create a huge fitnah in the muslim community increasing the level of unmarried divorced sisters. That is really sad. May Allah help us.

[@jankaiser7725]

The pinned comment on 1:38:25, how did that person come out with a conclusion that br. Gabriel is encouraging men to marry a divorcees?? So dumb.

[@Maryam-cy6cv]

Thank you Gabriel

[@fizakhanam7316]

This debate felt like a bit of time waste. It wasn't that fruitful. I agree with br gabriel. Mahdi has lots of good points and wrong points as well. He was beating around the bush alot. I really expected it to be an intellectual level debate which would benefit me.

[@enacausmembrane]

checkout Hijab vs Gule for a fruitful debate, my notebooks are full.

[@2009mixmax]

If mahdi was honest in this debate the debate would have been very fruitful . Mahdi didn’t own most of his claims and so was slimy and therefore the debate went in all directions.

[@nadeembackus2741]

Dodging everything, shows how his views are baseless and based on his own desires. NOT ISLAM

[@queon-air4654]

Also, its sunnah to marry older, a divorcee and a widow Redpill has its truths yes, but some of the things they say sounds more like it comes from a place of deep insecurity, In the end, it's a way of life for hurt men to never get hurt again Which is nothing but fragile, islam however puts your heart at ease

[@deedeee6271]

@@lost_poet_ A woman who has been married before is chaste. Chastity is lost when a woman or a man has sex outside of wedlock. Chastity is exercised by married women when the only are with the husbands.

[@deedeee6271]

@@lost_poet_ You also need to let us know what is so wrong about marrying a woman who is pious, good Iman and practice of faith and who happens to be divorced. It is not required, no, but if the Prophet SAW himself did it, it shows you it is not as looked down on as you may think.

[@queon-air4654]

@@lost_poet_ bro I just said its sunnah, what's there to not believe? The prophet married older, divorcees and a widow Therefore I'll be OPEN to it. Leave redpill behind bro, take the knowledge but don't make that a foundation for life

[@lost_poet_]

@@queon-air4654 yes but the way it is said it's Implying that you are willing to or going or have married one of those women in that category. It' doesn't make sense for you to use that line if you're not going to follow it up. Further, just because the prophet did something it doesn't make its recommend for us. As per in this case. He married divorcees but it doesn't mean it's recommended

[@queon-air4654]

@@deedeee6271 this. If her Iman is there n she is pious, but to then chase a younger woman (because of Ego) watch how what u want then breaks you as this dunya is just designed that way What we least want is always better than what we want, alhamdolilah cause this realization made me realise this dunya is bs, red pill is pure masculine ego at it's most arrogant, n tends to stem from getting hurt in the past A healthy red pill dude I seen is Joe Rogan, but myron n fresh n fit n all of them u can tell used to be SIMPS n now are overdoing it Dunya is FINISHEDD

[@saharsakri578]

Some men are so hypocritical! They can sleep around and do what they like but when its time for marriage they went virgins! Like seriously

[@hssnov]

جزاك الله خيرا. صدق من قال من كان كتابه أمامه، فخطئه أكثر من صوابه.

[@aminaahmet1025]

Jazak Allahu hayran Gabriel for protecting Allahs rules regarding women and facing those who twist and turn Allahs words into their liking (nafs, ego, self-worship).

[@behumble51]

Great discussion. May Allah bless you all.

[@observermanj8904]

34 minutes in and they STILL haven’t answered the damn questions!!!!!!!

[@max20817]

When he using examples of bodycounts its irrelevant to righteous muslim women who only fullfill their desired through marriage, as many females companions remarried maybe more than 3 times due to the male companions dying in battle which was constant. He is using examples from women who fornicate and do not believe Allah.

[@saharsakri578]

What if a woman was widowed 6 times? It's not her fault so it doesnt matter if she had more than 2 sexual partners

[@Justallahloves]

Brother Gabriel you have been sent by Allah as a blessing for this lost ummah and I love you sincerely ❤️ my Allah grant you Jannah Ameen ❤️

[@housse51]

A failure(s) in past is not an indicator of future success

[@fathima.iloveallah.3853]

Asalamu aleykum warah matullahi wabarakatuh our beloved and respected Ustadh Gabriel Thank you for that . I agree with you when you Protect us. But I dont like when you says Sahabbiyah (ra) Sins before Islam. Sahabbah(ra) they are best♥️

[@taimur74]

SubhanAllah brother Gabriel is a lion of the sunnah while the other guy just tried to run around on technicalities and avoid the issue