Debating Climate Activism with Alec Opperman - 6/24/24 -

[@Tawhiri-sz4wc]

Here in NZ there was a climate change activist that sent an invitation letter pretending to be this corporation that uses fossil fuels, which sabotaged anything they (the corporation) were going to do at that time till they realised it was fake, she was arrested but it goes to show she was far more practical than the ones doing these performative actions. Direct action has to be direct.

[@theCommentDevil]

Too many progressives are actually just liberals at heart and think yelling and performing gets things done

[@paulbrandt5948]

we should acknowledge that Stonehenge was appealing because it was a soft target that would generate a significant emotional response from being defaced. Defacing a bank or an oil company's headquarters makes for a much more straightforward message, but there you're getting taken down by armed guards as opposed to shocked tourists.

[@wtheckJackie]

💯

[@alexbennet4195]

And great job at getting normal people to hate you to boot

[@Tharrel]

That’s the definition of how terrorists operate. Attacking soft targets to create political change. Terrorists don’t attack military installations, they attack museums, hotels and malls.

[@nadiaplaysgames2550]

how ever you piss off everyone and in effect everyone dislikes you and sours you movements

[@anthonywolf943]

soft like the lichen and moss that's been pioneers on those rocks for thousands of years? Ya brilliant let's erode away our ancient history to do jack squat.

[@dogwithsunglasses4051]

Well the Stonehenge thing was mainly to raise attention, so its basically unforgivable. Any attack on any historic piece is dumb and doesnt help your cause, it activly ruins it. Because like it or not, People on a personal level will always go against what makes sense when people they hate ask for it. Its also not to ignore that some of these groups are literally payed to ruin eviromental activists image from companies that profit from it.

[@kemerydunn9532]

I'm on the same page as Alec; knowing that it's not permanent and easy to remove definitely makes me feel better about this type of protest (I believe that often with paintings they're behind glass). I do think that cultural history is important, but I also understand the idea of "well you should care about the Earth more than this culture because there's no point in the culture if we aren't around to appreciate it". But the only useful target here is policy makers and politicians that make laws to rein corporations in, because the general public can't make enough of a difference and corporations absolutely will not care unless all of the shareholders are convinced by these protests, which I doubt. There has to be some other form of protest that is more effective and direct to the people that can actually make a sustainable, big enough difference, that will change things, we just have to figure out what it is. And doing trial and error to find it is the only way

[@D_S_L]

Michael is 100% right about West Coast supremacy. Here in Oregon, we have some counties that want to secede to form Greater Idaho. We should go on the offensive and annex Idaho to form Greater Oregon!!!

[@Obiwancolenobi]

But that means integrating all the Yall-Queda types and people who *like* living in rural Idaho.

[@fakethiss]

From the BBC: "The orange powder was removed from the stones using blown air, which has helped preserve the rare lichen on the surface of the stones, Mr Merriman confirmed." Didn't even need water to remove. Just blew on it hard.

[@wtheckJackie]

To people upset about ancient European artifacts being plundered/defaced, I as a person of color wanna ask you… First time? 🙂‍↔️

[@Kletian999]

Stolen for museums where they get preserved and studied instead of destroyed for pointless non sequitur mission, very different

[@wtheckJackie]

@@Kletian999 oh yeah, completely makes the colonization and violence and oppression worth it. For example, Mount Rushmore wasn’t an act of unholy defilement or anything like that. /s

[@Kletian999]

@@wtheckJackie plenty of people don't support Mt Rushmore. And that's moving the goalposts. Developing empty land in poor taste is not the same as shooting the nose off the Sphinx or smashing the heads off statues, and that's different from carting off artifacts for study that would have been sold for scraps or just destroyed if locals had found them first.

[@wtheckJackie]

@@Kletian999 people are upset at these activists for defacing art in museums and an ancient monument. I gave you the example of a defaced indigenous monument. I only have to point to stolen indigenous artifacts for another parallel. The goal posts haven’t moved. Im done here byeee

[@quaktoons331]

​@@Kletian999 You've been checked. Admit defeat with dignity. Besides Stonehenge is street art compared to the sphinx's nose and historical statues.

[@Pukeyray]

The pigeons want to know why people are throwing corn starch on those rocks they piss on everyday.

[@Kletian999]

Have you been to Stonehenge? There's nothing to attract pigeons there. Ie no food served, big grassy field with just sheep nearby.

[@TheMoustacheMan802]

Dear sir Crack, Great stream as always! But I feel like the conversation is leaning a bit into the realm of respectability politics. Theres talk about how these stunts give climate change "bad PR" but its very rare that the good PR or things that people would approve of gets much traction online or in media, especially somewhere like the UK where alot of the biggest media sources are under the murdoch umbrella. It feels like less of a choice between good PR and bad PR but instead a case of no PR or bad PR. Also the kind of people who are turned away from the climate change movement over some easily removable paint are not going to be out protesting a new oil pipeline. This conversation is alot like your last stream where much like people "leaving the left" the kind of people who stop supporting climate change movments over these protests probably werent that serious about it in the first place

[@slowbro1337]

I'd say it's the wrong target. It's global attention, sure, but in a bad way for your cause.

[@riverofpower5659]

If I may respond to your hot take about Stonehenge; did the blocks your daughter stacked up predate both the Great Pyramids and the Roman Empire? I don’t think so.

[@WisecrackEDU]

I mean . . . time is a flat circle so . . . maybe?

[@theCommentDevil]

These protesters want clicks, they dont care about the issues. You will NEVER bring people to your side by making them angry at you. Vandalism of things that people universally love is the worst protest idea i have ever heard of. I am likely 100% in line with their views but their methods are those of fools and children

[@harpernerys7345]

I think you are right and wrong in equal measure. Protesters definitely do care about the issue. The only people who wouldn't care but still do it would be Fed plants. For my sanity I choose to believe the shoddy methods are more a result of all the past work the Fed has done to disrupt people's ability to effectively protest in combination with modern social media mindset, rather than a new and active Federal Intelligence initiative to discredit climate activists. Where you're right is they want clicks. Clicks means attention and a huge part of protests is the attention. Likely due to aforementioned conditions, modern protesters seem to forget or dismiss the steps that come after attention getting. With how fast news travels doing the same thing again and again (blocking streets, paint on art) loses its effectiveness because it's not news anymore but repetition that the brain blocks out while scrolling. Finally, and I do apologize for the rant, making people angry at your side: You're right that you won't gain any followers. Causing flak to be thrown at your side does have benefits. It heightens the tension between your side and you opponents. It means people who agree with you have to become more radical. More radicals mean less denouncing the methods of their allies further along than them, which means less infighting, which means a unified front, which is power.

[@THRAKORZOD]

You woulda hated the Civil rights movement

[@theCommentDevil]

@@THRAKORZOD oh please comparing these people to those who fought for civil rights is insulting, don't make me laugh

[@theCommentDevil]

@@harpernerys7345 oh many protesters do care absolutely, including myself. But these specific ones that seek to make people mad do not care. It objectively hurts all of us who hate what's happening to earth. We all get lumped in with these people and it allows people who could be convinced to dismiss all of us. And I do agree with your last sentence about trying to get more people to radicalize, but I see this as childish stuff, not serious stuff. What they do is what I expect of establishment liberals and not serious leftists. They are all about aesthetics, not solutions. And don't be sorry for the rant cause I now I'm ranting lol 🤝

[@ConQuixote]

​@@theCommentDevilonly time media covers "climate protest" it's always 'paint on artifact'. There are 100s of protest everyday in many big countries. Attacks on banks and oil HQ are less effective in awareness raising as seen. So???

[@steven2183]

I watched a news segment yesterday where an obese woman was being evacuated from her home on a front end loader because her home was flooded likely, in part, due to climate change. I hope this era in history will be looked back on in disregard....as it should...

[@TribuneAquila]

It is theorized that stonehenge is a solar calander, with the ability to adjust for leap years. This would make it one of the oldest calanders humanity has, and if the leap year thing is true (which is the most contentious part of the theory) then it demonstrates an advanced understanding of astronomy that was created around 4000 bc. Which in my opinion is cooler than the best jay z song

[@skyjet200]

Why care about Stonehenge? So you ask why care about history? Or there is a hierarchy of importance in history now? (I know you probably don't mean it that way, but this is how it comes across) It survived over 4000 years as one of the oldest structures in Britain and tells something about those people. Personally I find it more interesting that Jayz.

[@theLoPlo]

Your bad take is beyond bad... How you pride yourself of your ignorance and attempt to weave it in a logical argument makes you no different then Peterson... If the same had happened to Native American legacy I'm sure your tune would be different. Also these are not just a bunch of rocks. These are part of a valuable legacy that indicate our ancestors millennia ago managed to work out a solar calendar system (hence people gathering there in the Solstice), evidence of humans seeking to understand the universe around them.

[@grandsome1]

Nobody would be, talking about the protest if it didn't give a scare to the people that priceless pieces of art have been defaced. Of course, the headlines will distort the fact that the cultural artefact weren't damaged in any way by the protest, the mona Lisa was behind glass, stonehenge has been peed on for centuries and there's a giant highway next to it spewing diesel residue onto it every day. The protest isn't there to convince the opposition, they've shown that they're unwilling to care even when presented with fact they'll hunt for fringe fact or complain that science "can't make its mind up" when science adjusts models for accuracy. What it's there for is to galvanized people who are already environmentally inclined, get them to ask or demand that oil companies be attacked instead, and let some of them see how the media is rigged against environmentalism because they almost never cover actual attacks on oil companies the same way temporarily defacing a monument does.

[@kaintshine]

Are you okay with the existence of a poor class? Then you are anti-capitalist, it creates a poor class

[@ptcosmos]

43:46 Look I bet this comment won't get pinned or like but if replied I'll do 10 push ups which won't happen I hope.

[@WisecrackEDU]

GIVE ME 10

[@Skyhigh864]

I get people put click bait titles in their thumbnail but there’s no question it’s gone too far. Stonehenge, one of the oldest monuments in the world, nothing remotely to do with oil gets vandalised. Anyone now should be arrest and given 5+ years at least

[@theCommentDevil]

Yeah this group is absolute trash for that. This is about them getting views and clicks, they don't care about the climate

[@GeriatricFan1963]

It’s cornflower, it’ll wash off. Stonehenge hasn’t been damaged in any meaningful way. I’d rather just stop oil do this than invade a live race track during the British Grand Prix and essentially attempt to commit suicide by standing in front of a load of race cars going at over 150MPH

[@theCommentDevil]

​@@GeriatricFan1963the anger and hatred the group has created for itself isn't gonna wash off though. It hurts the cause as a whole, and for what? Clicks?

[@leithmartin419]

​@@theCommentDevilwhy did sufferagettes blow stuff up...?

[@theCommentDevil]

@@leithmartin419 did they blow up ancient world famous and beloved sites?

[@javiazar]

Show me a climate model from the 90s that was accurate and didn't have to get "adjusted" later. Just 1, and I'll change my mind.

[@grandsome1]

Liar, you'll never change your mind.

[@Cookieofdoom]

When historical monuments are getting destroyed and people gets hurt... That's too far. 🤷🏼

[@TiberiusEmpire]

They need to go further than this because it certainly not doing anything, I still gonna guzzled up my car and there's nothing they can do, so they need to go further than this

[@only4crap]

fuck yeah, Alec!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Wisecrack on monday are Best mondays❤❤❤❤

[@Obiwancolenobi]

#Yesplz coffee is pretty darn good! I got their mix. Loved the inserts it came with, too.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Hell yeah glad it worked out - and hopefully now you know that I really mean it when I say I'm only doing this because it's actually really delicious coffee!

[@Obiwancolenobi]

@@WisecrackEDU Never doubted your taste!!

[@DiXtionRap]

Considering stone henge is considered sacred by some pagan groups, vandalising a religiois site is not a good thing to do

[@autodidacticartisan]

1:08:07 Michael And I are on the same exact page. All i need in life is to make Alec say "i wanna come". 💦❤️ Hes the OG wisecrack Zaddy

[@zacheryturner8694]

Also you could argue that the feeling of disgust that the tourists have is the target but idk

[@distantmind956]

Any climate action until we scale up Solar Geoengineering will be as effective at averting apocalypse as LARPing. We need to buy time, because we're spiralling towards collapse even under current climate change impacts, and things will only get worse until we fully decarbonize and draw down CO2 to safe levels.

[@Oliasofbunhillow]

It interesting that this video basically answers itself. Like there's a bunch of discussion about is this good/bad, helpful/unhelpful but it's what you're talking about. No one reports the climate protesters at yhe bank HQ or politely explaining their points on street corners. No we only hear about them when they inconvenience the publics veiwing of a piece of culture. That means it's working. We just need to not let the news be disingenuous about it.

[@pif5023]

I consider myself in that section of population squeezed between right and left and I am not completely anti-capitalism. I want a system in which your work can make you independent but I don’t really care how. What I see about anti capitalism today is that people think any system that is not capitalist will be automatically better and that being more tied to the community can only be a benefit. That is tribal thinking because it works only if the community you live in accepts you. That is a form of in-thinking. What happens when you are at odds with the community you live in? Capitalism allows you a shot at thriving even if you are at odds with the community and this is something we should not forget. It allows a direct access to people’s needs (in its ideal form at least). I do agree with humanity over profits but this is a dangerously vague principle to live under. Who judges what is humanity? It begs the question. Unfortunately we need a tie breaker for that otherwise the majority will become humanity. Capitalism proposes profits (in its ideal form “market acceptance”) as a tie breaker.

[@SageWon-1aussie]

It is strange to make this protest at an event that is about a sport traditionally performed by rich elites.

[@28blooddog]

Believe it or not capitalism has made us stronger and there's no way to substitute it with something else; not all at once anyway. I do believe that capitalism should be reformed, as it has been over the decades, which would resemble socialist safety nets, regulations, environmental protections, etc. I believe soon we'll have universal income as well. And since it appears humanity is still in a race against authoritarians, we must continue to win on all fronts. Until those bad actors change their tune and come to us for help; only then will we be able to become a true egalitarian society. Imo. Thanks for your hard work o7

[@brendanware2930]

The thing is, I heard about the art and stone henge, not the golf or the airport. If the target isn't culturally important, it's ignored by the media. The news begrudgingly covered it because they couldn't ignore it.

[@pif5023]

For me is simple: this form of protest is not needed today. We are all aware that climate change is an issue, our eyes are already there. Now we need action. Legal and economic action. Rather than spray paint Stonehenge build a firm to challenge those companies. It feels to me that these activists got the attention through the climate change issue rather than the climate change issue got attention through them.

[@a_e_hilton]

Michael's take on Stonehenge is almost as bad as his take on restaurant bread, I don't know about this one CHIEF

[@WisecrackEDU]

it's in my contract that I have at least one embarrassingly bad take every 10 days.

[@Nerobyrne]

Unalive some oil billionaires, then we can talk

[@Kcoldraz]

28:33 So the idea is an homage of the Plato's writing in podcast form. Seems interesting.

[@BlackCroLong]

If you serilusly have to ask if this was not far enough, you should get some medication

[@zacheryturner8694]

Does the Tourism at Stonehenge have a negative impact on the community near the site or something of that similar vein

[@T_Dot94]

Nice, New Alec podcast. I remember when he tried starting a podcast called "the order of things" during the wisecrack days. I was so looking forward to his podcast becoming a thing. But alas, Lord Jesus christ did not want it for him.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Jesus is fickle sometimes.

[@BrickGriff]

"Why Stonehenge?" Well we're talking about it, right?

[@ProgamerEU]

And thinking they are vandals and thus be against whatever they are trying to convince us about. Absolutely backfired

[@themasterofinfinity]

These two are is such a big echo chamber....

[@benziko1460]

+1 for east coast summer storms

[@pausantandreu]

Not enough 🔥🔥🔥

[@crankydragon]

More like misdirected.

[@wizworldlive]

Sad I missed this-but I love Just Stop Oil. They used flour, not paint, on the 'Henge. As a wizard, I support temporarily defacing Stonehenge, & I really wish everyone would be really clear on what JSO is and isn't doing. They're really careful not to permanently damage these things, & I am really glad that Alec took time to clarify that. I think, however, if action is not taken soon, the age of careful temporary protest will pass. The ghost of the ELF is howling louder every day, & I have a sense that the targets will become more dangerous.

[@WisecrackEDU]

WIZARD APPROVED!

[@twistedyogert]

I've been wondering about that.

[@quart-knee-lee]

I think one of the hardest things to square is that the most marginalized people with the fewest resources have the least capacity to change how they live their lives, so portraying a single morally equivalent first world lifestyle leads to blaming people who are already not doing so well. The problem is that they have so few options, not that they are pampered exploiters living high on this comfortable life they selfishly live. A car is not a convenience if you need one to do anything, so making it seem like having or driving a car is a morally detestable thing or something that is equally avoidable to all people assumes choices that don't always exist. The common sense conclusions of lifestyle politics are inherently elitist because they imagine a reality that doesn't match what most people live, so the wrong people are blamed and considered to benefit. Elon Musk chooses to have a private jet and how often to use it. Your average person without enough in the bank to cover an emergency needs more time and money and they need their built environment to be structured differently. I think the "humans are a cancer" point of view erases class and makes all humans equally responsible just like looking at the US' emissions and acting as if we all contribute the same and all have an equal say over how our lives are structured erases class. Funding infrastructure that works is necessary before you expect everyone to make an expensive, time consuming and/or difficult/uncomfortable change in their lives or you're just asking to be disappointed. You can't be like: well, just ride your bike, if someone is disabled or doesn't have the time to commute that way. We have to be clear about who bears responsibility and we want to speak to those people about why things would actually be better if things weren't the way they are. We can always point to functional public transit and universal healthcare in other countries and it's better for most people. We are so used to thinking of industry titans as somehow a stand-in for our own success that we forget that they are screwing us and their success comes at our expense, but they are the villains, not the single mom filling up her beat up car so she can keep her job. If we only present the average person with deprivation and duty, how can we expect them to sacrifice when others won't. Only billionaires and other ghouls should be deprived. It's tough, fam.

[@abider5108]

Your Stonehenge take: correct and good.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thank you for supporting my bad take.

[@steventhibert9531]

What debate climate change is bs diturb me meet mr Louisville or the three mastiffs what is good for you is fun for me.

[@wtheckJackie]

Reposting a badass thing I saw on the livechat said by Dappercat: “if the mission is to stop an existential threat to humanity, i don’t think it’s particularly meaningful or productive to keep works of art or history intact.” 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 yes! Because humans > Stonehenge, humans > the Mona Lisa, humans > golf tournaments! I pick humans every time. Even if these orgs have not truly destroyed anything, i would gladly give a million historical artifacts to ensure that humanity has an opportunity to make MORE historical artifacts in the future. WHY is that such a hard bandwagon for people to jump on?

[@theCommentDevil]

Because that's not the choice. The artifacts aren't causing the problem, it's the humans. Destroying art and history is an attack on humanity, not in support of it

[@wtheckJackie]

@@theCommentDevil the material objects we create are not the only evidence of our humanity, and not worth protecting if we can’t save ourselves or each other.

[@theCommentDevil]

@@wtheckJackie cool, so what's next? You gonna vandalize the Nazca lines? The indigenous artwork in caves and rocks all over the world? Auschwitz? You wanna save the planet but you're arguing in favor of vandalizing a literal shrine to nature and saying it has no value.

[@TheJaranggigi]

While that's true it doesn't make this kind of protest effective. The point of a protest is supposed to be winning support for your cause and this does the exact opposite. The knee-jerk reaction to these stunts is rage at the protesters and support for people stopping them. Most people don't look any deeper then that, they see the headline "protesters damage world heritage site, get beat up by security" cheer the security and repeat the story to their friends. These protests make dismissing the very real threat of climate change much easier for the general public which defeats the point of doing them.

[@wtheckJackie]

@@TheJaranggigi their cause is your survival. “Please be more polite about saving my life.” Seriously? I would hate for anyone who thinks ill of cornstarch on rocks to be making decisions about climate change. Y’all do not seem to have your priorities straight and it horrifies me that people care more about works of art by people long gone than people who are HERE NOW and suffering through astronomical heatwaves. No. Screw the artwork (that wasn’t even destroyed, I’ll remind you.) innocent lives come first.

[@nicolozanatta2443]

Hi, I'm part of Extinction Rebellion Italy and I think a lot of people are criticising these actions without considering that the media landscape is definitely not neutral. Whenever we've protested against 'proper' targets, we've either been completely ignored or relegated into small sections of newspapers, news programs and other mainstream media. Then when we coloured Venice's water green (using non toxic, biodegradable stuff), we got coverage from all over the world, which should put any discourse about 'effectiveness' into perspective. Extinction Rebellion Italy also has an explicit anti-capitalist bend, not all 'chapters' share the same approach as it is not a hierarchical organisation and local sensibilities about specific subjects must be accounted for. Also for the more radical actions that Malm calls for, we have already been subject to a lot of state-sponsored violence and intimidation, both legally and not. An escalation of that conflict has a lot of consequences and it's not something you decide to do lightly

[@theCommentDevil]

The media landscape is irrelevant. People understand that when you ( not you specifically ) vandalize ancient works that are loved by all that whatever your point youre a bad person who doesn't care about anything or anyone. Making people mad will ALWAYS hurt your cause

[@nicolozanatta2443]

​@@theCommentDevilpeople understand what and how things are shown to them. Also nothing was vandalized, everything used was easily cleaned off, biodegradable and innocuous, we have chemists and restoration experts among us that research exactly these aspects. And lastly about getting people mad, I guess we know on which side of the debate you would have been during the civil rights protests

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for much for sharing this. Appreciate the detail.

[@theCommentDevil]

@@nicolozanatta2443 well your last sentence really sums everything up. You think because I don't support one performative act that somehow I don't care. It's all about feeding your ego. You think defending people painting rocks orange has meaning and importance when it's all performance to make y'all feel better about yourselves instead of actually doing anything. This isn't about love for the planet, it's about patting yourself on the back. I know this is true because you think painting rocks is somehow equal to the civil rights movement. Such snobbery is NOT surprising

[@nicolozanatta2443]

​@@theCommentDevilyou made the assertion that making people mad will hurt a cause, own it. There's no ego to speak of, you said something very dumb and are now trying to pivot away from it

[@drunkduck]

What's the point of stonehenge or keeping old art intact if the climate gets too hot and most of us not in billionaire owned bunkers die? What good are monuments that outlast man when we worry about how politically correct it looks to point out in an attention grabbing way that the world is ON FIRE?

[@persephonesunderworld]

Lol, 'Tyler' Kelce

[@persephonesunderworld]

FROM THE GUY THAT WAS WATCHING THE GOLF THING LIVE

[@persephonesunderworld]

But for real, I think it's weird how hard people came out trying to find a way to criticize the Stone Hinge thing. Like, I heard a guy being interviewed on NPR trying to say that there is like, rare lichen that *could* have been harmed on the stones, and I was just like, fuck this is the thinnest stretch I have heard in a minute.

[@persephonesunderworld]

Oh, I literally had a New York bagel this morning (everything with lox cream cheese). Leaving NYC is why I missed the stream live. And you are very right about people being nice in NYC. Like way nicer than I can give the full details of in the comments.

[@WisecrackEDU]

oh god

[@ownedinc4274]

Disruptions should not be disruptive.

[@Caboose009able]

So, this may have been covered in this video, it's quite long 🙈. But how long would the algorithmic uptick in "climate change" last? And how widespread and/or deep would it be? This act makes people react, which, regardless of how they react, puts the topic or keyword of climate change both out there through SEO and through people putting it in search engines and comment sections. And then, the topic might keep appearing, kind of like when you look up a car you may be interested in and suddenly you get a whole bunch of dealership ads. And, psychologically speaking, is it possible for that repeated exposure to change the hearts and minds of folks, even if they are initially angry at this particular event? 🤔

[@hellper198]

I would like to see these brave souls do these things in the Forbidden City in the People's Republic of China or The Cathedral of Vasily the Blessed in Moscow, Russia.

[@ProgamerEU]

Seeing this unforgivable act or vandalism in the name of climate honestly just makes me want to buy a big truck instead of an EV. These absolute dimwits think they're getting attention, but it's millions of people who see this and be appalled and become anti green / anti vandalism of historical heritage sites

[@BrickGriff]

For groups like Just Stop Oil, it's not about the effectiveness of the act. It's about acting while you still can.

[@ProgamerEU]

making millions of people outraged will cause all of them to be anti whatever they're promoting. Absolutely stupid

[@thelordakira]

@@ProgamerEU it is a front for big oil heiress and a (clean energy that has an current day airline running on regular jet fuel , fraudster)

[@BrickGriff]

@@ProgamerEU yep. That's why I stopped supporting MLK and the Black Panthers. They were making too many people mad. Historically speaking convenient protests are unsuccessful.

[@BrickGriff]

@@thelordakira oh! I was wondering when the real propagandists would appear.

[@BrickGriff]

@@ProgamerEU more to the point, they're taking this course of action because millions of people have made THEM outraged! What else are they supposed to do?

[@Vhs-fuq]

17:31 your a fool LMAO

[@Vhs-fuq]

It’s too bad someone or scientist didn’t warn us 30 years ago about all this climate stuff. Hindsight is a Mo-Fo