Debunking Araki Forgot: Part 5 - Vento Aureo

[@Hamon_Beat]

Respond with your suggestions for Part 6

[@morbidwolf94]

edit: thx to anyone to point out that everyone thats alive can survive MiH anyway changing my question to how Pucci who got infinite speed cant even catch a kid? its sounds like Emporio gains plot armor to be able to escape from Pucci because "fate"

[@payne9682]

Here's a question for part 6: After Emporio kills Pucci with Weather Report at the end, did that cause the creation of another new universe or not? I'm confused how many universes/timelines were created in the last few chapters

[@chrisesponel1334]

I feel like there is something to say about Whitesnake's weird goo trap room, or more importantly, how he got the Beetle Arrow to awaken his and weather reports stand. Also please mention DIO says survivor is the weakest stand but also says Joseph has the weakest stand. It's not an inconsistency, Araki just forgot Dio made that insult

[@chrisesponel1334]

@@payne9682 I'm pretty sure there is still only one. Pucci didn't create a new one, he just reset the old one

[@payne9682]

@@chrisesponel1334 It seems like there were two resets then. One when he killed everyone except Emporio....and the second reset, once Weather Report finishes him off in the illusion room in jail (don't know if that was the real name of the room).

[@blank6165]

Plot hole: In JoJo, Giorno can fold his ear in. However, he does not use this to automatically kill Diavolo by sheer awe.

[@matthewward3562]

I'm sure that is just one of Diavolos many deaths.

[@anqhor]

You mean he would give Diavolo, a *Sheer Heart Attack?* I'll see myself out

[@averonisgaming9023]

@@anqhor You mean, *Absolute Cardiac Arrest* ?

[@anqhor]

@@averonisgaming9023 Brought to You by *Deadly Queen, user is Yoshi Killa*

[@prestongarvey2599]

@@anqhor Full Localization Loadout: User: Yoshicage Killer Stand: Deadly Queen Sub-Stand 1: Absolute Cardiac Arrest Sub-Stand 2: Chomp The Ash

[@commando7238]

What I find funny about the picture Giorno had in the manga is that all the women DIO slept with that he didn't kill he just gave them a signed photo of himself

[@gayzer1020]

I impragnated you. Here is a photo.

[@yodaslastic]

lmao just a souvenir for the fact i didnt kill you

[@graysonwells551]

But why would DIO sign a photo as Dio Brando? Hadn't he abandoned the Brando part by then?

[@matthewhamilton2913]

Heres my signature to compensate too

[@kannonpaul9258]

Giorno: I keep this photo with me at all times. It’s my only true connection that I have with my real father. Hell, this is the only thing that I appreciate from my bitch of a mother giving me. Which is why this photo is important to me, even if I can never actually see his face. Dio: Hey girl, you obviously can’t get enough of me, take this photo of my back muscles and do the ‘no no’ with it when you feel it.

[@mobybrick2357]

Wait so Chocolotta felt the 7 page muda in slow motion...? *Y I K E S*

[@alecfongy3175]

Moby Brick Yes

[@nobgs4505]

Can't say he didn't deserve it though.

[@LinkJTO]

Ya that would be terrible, think about it, every single punch in slow motion, the 7 page muda would turn into 700 page muda

[@mobybrick2357]

@@LinkJTO and that's assuming the consciousness speeding doesn't stack

[@LinkJTO]

Moby Brick if that would be the case it would be close to a million years of suffering before it ends, yikes

[@thebestlamb511]

Araki actually forgot to put the torture dance music in the manga.

[@shinkenger2011]

That was an unforgivable offense smh my head

[@alimations5226]

That would have been some vocal percussion on a whole 'nother level

[@GooserMan]

@@alimations5226 coming through my mind

[@lmao1660]

@@GooserMan aaaaaaaaaaaaah we're golden wind

[@GooserMan]

@@lmao1660 Kono me amareri maroreri merare maro

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

Part 3 characters saying an ability is impossible doesn't mean it actually is... Kakyoin and Jotaro aren't omniscient...

[@francescolombardi3438]

OMG why didn't Bruno lick Narancia to tell if he was lying?! -people who don't pay taxes, probably

[@linksoni213]

It's still not the ability If the ability was to pull people inside the mirror, then breaking the mirror would destroy that world, but it doesn't Man in The Mirror creates a world, or has access to a world that is a mirrowed version of the normal world, but it's not inside a mirror, mirrors are just doorways

[@Jiam26TuGfa123]

Kakyoin was just a smart boy, but he didn't know everything.

[@demerzel3798]

People make fun of "nOtHiNg cAn dEfLeCt tHe EmErAlD sPlaSh" but people still expect Kakyoin to know every Stand ability ever

[@Johten]

Im just waiting for the day we get a stand that can bring someone back to life

[@bean5165]

The reason why Mista is alive: *Rolling stone said so*

[@theabsolutetrashman3708]

I still can't understand how the fuck he survived getting shot 3 times in the head, before Giorno got his healing abilities during the Babyface/Junior fight

[@koktszfung]

​@@theabsolutetrashman3708 have you watched this video...

[@oysteregg2537]

@@koktszfung can one of the sex pistol guys go fast enough to block 3 bullets?

[@koktszfung]

@@oysteregg2537 I don't know but they did move pretty fast considering they are fast enough to observe and make decision while riding a bullet then changing the bullet's trajectory

[@dangerwarg9682]

@@oysteregg2537 Only if they're near Mista and know it's coming. Plus the 3 shots were 1 by 1 landing inches apart from each other. The first case of Mista getting shot, it wasn't expected and he was still shooting. The third case Mista getting shot, it wasn't expected that the frozen air was reflecting the bullets, and even after being made aware of this, Mista and Sex Pistols continued to attack the ice man. The fourth case of Mista getting shot, he didn't think Oasis was so fast that he could punch bullets away, sending shards flying back at Mista in the moment. The fifth case of Mista getting shot, he didn't know one of his bullets had turned on him while under Chariot's.

[@thenightjackal]

Remember when Giorno has the ability to stuff his ear in his head? This was obviously supposed to illude to his stand being able to produce a black hole in his ear canal. But Araki forgot.

[@CaltosVirnam]

lol

[@meemdealer6559]

Smh Araki

[@slysamuel5902]

“Giorno’s stand ability was originally body manipulation, but than araki forgot. Despite the fact that like, five minutes later we see giorno’s actual stand ability. Clearly this is fact.”

[@thenightjackal]

Samuel Ramishvili Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with how much manga completely disregards Chekhov’s Gun and how a lot of JoJo fans are westerners unfamiliar with how completely useless a lot of things introduced in manga are

[@UltraUltimatium]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jamescallanan2443]

Honestly, I always thought that Bucciarattis ghost was just possessing his own corpse. That seems like what you explained here and the idea of a persons ghost interacting with their corpse or zombie feels like a cool story idea

[@rpgryder1886]

yep, he was possessing himself by using left over life energy from giorno, because he wasnt fated to die there, good old plot drive fate kept his soul in there long enough to come back.

[@CrystallizedBlackSkull]

Its funny cuz I though everybody understood this especiaply when anime was still running. Everybody kept talking and joking about "Zombie mom" but for some reason after the part ended this just poofed out of people's heads like wtf?

[@act2wasstronger182]

I think that just as soon as bucciarati died, Giorno infused his corpse with a surplus of life essence thus allowing him to cling on for a few more days

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

@@rpgryder1886 bro didn't die because of literal plot 💀

[@PetitPoneyDuVercors26]

It was just some additional time, diavolo got a penalty for not fighting fairly

[@gutsxwc7615]

Actually, Araki forgot something. In part 5, when Giorno meets other gang members, Abbachio is shown making piss tea. However, later when Narancia was trying to get gang members away from the water (Clash stand part) by pissing into the toilet, Abbachio was shown disgusted by that and he even called Narancia pervert. Clearly, Araki forgot that Abbachio was *the true pervert*

[@zaikox4042]

another thing, I never understood why giorno never created a new body for Bruno

[@MarkFaraday]

Zaiko x maybe he did not have anything to use

[@zaikox4042]

@Cruthadair well, I dont if that is how it works but giorno did something like that when narancia died

[@liviupetre9561]

@@zaikox4042 Because Bruno chose to go to heaven, cause his life already ended.

[@sasaider3711]

@@zaikox4042 Man are you serious?

[@tescomealdeal9901]

Why didn’t Secco get his 5 Sugar Cubes and Backscratches?

[@lonerscandream2019]

araki forgot

[@dr.ongobongo5448]

He was a bad boi

[@toxicfumes9121]

@Pionono Secco second best boi

[@comradeeren6429]

He tried to kill best mom thats why

[@Blackquill_]

Cause ciacolatta died

[@maxgoose707]

Imajne if diavolo couldnt interact with his clothes since its not a prt of him, its just on him, and he phases through his clothes every time he uses king crimson and is naked after every skip

[@StormSurge-dr2fl]

That's not how it works. He simply avoids what is fated to hit him, his clothes aren't fated to be on him they already ARE.

[@weebaverage3026]

The only reason Araki didnt show this is because he knew we would be intimidated by Diavolos massive dick and would automatically start routing for him in fear of what he would do to us with his 30 foot long schlong

[@maxgoose707]

Tacokat Gaming no wonderhe had a daughter

[@maxgoose707]

@@nameistanya your welcome, random stranger

[@GameBreaker1055]

@@StormSurge-dr2fl But what if... Diavolo strips during the time that was skipped? Will he then see his clothes phasing of his body while moving?

[@TigerMan-og5bs]

Honestly the more you think about it, Koichi is the perfect person to look for Giorno. Not only does he have the 50 meter scouting range of Act 1 and 2 that Jotaro was referring to, he also has the extreme versatility of Act 2’s ability and literally the perfect ability for restraining someone without severely injuring them in Act 3. And on top of all of that, he’s super unassuming due to being a 5’2” high school student.

[@DIO-ni2db]

He cant go back stages

[@chrisholland3066]

@@DIO-ni2db Yes he can? Lmao. Did you read/watch it? He changes it alot. Like when they was going to old man joseph boat in part 4.

[@ninjabaiano6092]

Also he's reliable

[@PetitPoneyDuVercors26]

And he's quite in control of his anger, you need more than dissing his hair to get him explode x)

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

@@DIO-ni2db watch the show doodoo head

[@Dogflamingo]

0:54 C'mon how do people not know how reliable of a guy Koichi is, honestly disgusting

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

Some people have no dignity

[@Salazar52]

I can't belive that people find hard to belive that Jotaro would trust his own and only child Koichi

[@Greendoesart]

@@TheWorldBelowDnD dammit I was going to say that

[@Dogflamingo]

@@Salazar52 I believe you are forgetting about Jouta

[@cise3895]

I think it was wishful thinking. I for one would’ve loved to see more part 4 Josuke :(

[@smoovemooths]

I thought Polpo's finger thing was just him being weird, like how he pretended to be a bed, so that he can catch his "candidates" off guard.

[@A1phaz0ne]

People complained about the fingers AND the bed thing together. Yet this buy only spoke on the finger part. He knew he had no explanation for the bed, lmao. Looks like Araki did forget.

[@zh7334]

Yeah, I honestly just ignore these examples of Jojo weirdness. It's something you have to accept.

[@simonj6801]

@@A1phaz0ne His fat makes him the same size as a bed, I mean Giorno could fold his entire ear into his skull so it kinda makes sense

[@Crosshill]

i dont even question things anymore

[@laurencebetteridge8633]

I didn't really agree with Beat's explanation of the finger thing. I did see someone say something about Polpo just being a master illusionist which is interesting. Would explain the bed and fingers together, the reason for him being this would I guess mostly be just to throw the readers/viewers of JoJo off. Like how Araki loves to do with his character introductions and make us find everything completely Bizarre the first time we see things without explanations (also makes us constantly speculate their Stand's power). So really we were seeing everything from Giorno's perspective as we were following him enter the prison alone and had his thoughts constantly expressed to us, like we were along for the ride. Or just Polpo's massive size coupled with Giorno being on edge and again Araki just wanting to weird us out and be as on edge as Giorno, then Giorno thinks he sees Polpo eat his fingers just for the lighter to appear because he was on edge. Best explanations I can think of (Araki wanting to just put us on edge I think is pretty concrete but I'm not confident in anything I've heard for the in universe explanations but these are the best for me and what I'm kinda going by for now) Also I saw a suggestion Polpo is just some kind of creature (like how we've been shown there are alot of life forms in JoJo from ancient Pillar Men to Vampires and a _possible_ alien, Araki at least toys with these ideas). This would explain the eyes, his weird figure, bed transformation and finger restoration better. Maybe based off some Italian folktale or creature I'm not aware of but Araki has researched? I left this one last though because I personally don't subscribe to it. Don't really see the point in making one random character a creature never established before in the universe and with such little allusion to it (if at all) as weird shit happening in character and stand reveals is usually supposed to be clear after the reveal, I didn't understand afterwards though. Sorry for the wall but didn't know what to cut out from this.

[@sadplatinum6786]

The one about Dio’s photo seems weird to me, because all throughout Part 3 we see Dio constantly pose that exact same way numerous times, so it’s not a stretch to suggest this is just a photo of Dio in his favorite pose

[@Omnirok12]

he just really likes showing off that joestar birthmark

[@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961]

Even Giorno himself does the pose in the Giorno version of Traitor's Requiem.

[@Davesothoth]

Who even took the photo? How did Giorno get it? Did Dio sign it?

[@Omnirok12]

@@Davesothoth the most sensible and obvious answer would be his mom

[@schmeckoh]

@@Davesothoth Yes and its a photo given to DIO's mistress (Giorno's mother)

[@Aspensauce64]

1:30 I think DIO just really liked the spirit photo because it made him look super cool and mysterious.

[@ctrlaltrepeat245]

DIO: “Wait what if I use Johnathans Stand on myself…?” *4 photos and a month later* “Hooh, baby, want one of these cool photographs taken by my cool purple vines?” “No? Well fuck you you’re getting one anyway.”

[@spittyjr.2181]

@@ctrlaltrepeat245 Lol!

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

@@ctrlaltrepeat245 no? Well I've literally fucked you, take it

[@sandwichboy1268]

​@@ctrlaltrepeat245 "photo or fleshbud, your choice"

[@john-man3152]

Character: *Makes an assertion about how something works.* People: "That character definitely has perfect knowledge of the entire universe."

[@crystalalumina]

@@kaistzar2831 but the thing is that, Kakyoin was right about J.Geil's stand, but that was just situational and that happens in a lot of stories, it wasn't an explanation about the world they're in, it was an explanation about J.Geil's stand, so it shouldn't be applied for everything else.

[@mrreyes5004]

@@crystalalumina Indeed. Kakyoin saying that Hanged Man didn't use a mirror world only applied to the Hanged Man fight; it wasn't so much that a mirror world was too ridiculous to believe, it was that all Stands must have a weakness (even Gold Experience Requiem, however unknown and mysterious it may be) and Hanged Man attacking from a mirror world would make it invincible and so that idea was out. If Kakyoin had been there for the Man in The Mirror fight in Part 5, he most likely would have concluded that the Stand did in fact use a mirror world and/or not been much surprised by it since Man in The Mirror can't attack directly from reflections like Hanged Man on top of Man in The Mirror being much physically weaker than Hanged Man and so it using a mirror world would not make it invincible.

[@dezkoke]

its a way of narrating certain rules or aspects of a fictional universe lol. so yes jotaro saying that someone cant be revived after they've already died is true.

[@dooplon5083]

@@dezkoke Yes, but the difference is that Jotaro has a decade of experience with stands by then, so of course we treat his statement more like he's an authority.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

In the world of online criticism characters can't be wrong or make mistakes

[@savvassavvides6681]

Why didn't Jotaro use star finger to kill Diavolo?

[@pokekiller787x]

Lmfao🤣🤣🤣

[@savvassavvides6681]

@@rxsp3ct_yt692 It's a joke

[@ascendant-_-gorilla2400]

SON OF A BEEEEEIICH

[@_Envous]

69 so I’m gonna comment

[@bigman5965]

VEGITO Blue finger should be long enough to reach

[@un_id5775]

Another big Araki Forgot moment is when the gang in Part 5 did the torture dance. Like they never used it again, it would have been a great distraction for some of the fights.

[@tnterrarian9997]

ikr, the squadra would've stopped fighting and started dancing with them, perfect for a surprise attack!

[@okboomerbutitsacat8050]

Who else would they use it against tho? It's a torture dance.

[@tnterrarian9997]

@@okboomerbutitsacat8050 go back to sleep boomer cat, maybe when you wake up you'll get the joke

[@okboomerbutitsacat8050]

@@tnterrarian9997 I mean I get that your joke was a fucking joke, I'm not mentally retarded m8, it's just that the first comment isn't worded in a way or written in a way that would make it seem like sarcasm or a joke.

[@okboomerbutitsacat8050]

@bacon froyo I mean yeah, that's fair, but like there's no one to use it against

[@kuro_100]

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Kars is still floating in space

[@ashton3357]

(Part 7 Spoilers) And Magenta Magenta is still stuck at the bottom of some water, I think

[@saikorou7856]

@@ashton3357 Magenta Magenta is Kars from space falling into the ocean

[@Ultradragon16]

Araki forgot is only temporary. Kars in Space is eternal

[@alimations5226]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Diavolo is still dying

[@naturescorruptedinfactorie8062]

@@alimations5226 Don’t let this distract you from the fact Jonathan is probably wondering what the actual fuck is happening in heaven when watching his descendants

[@yoshikagekira564]

It’s weird to think that this part only lasted 8 in universe days

[@kingkay14]

5*

[@MelonDoesStuff]

H A Y A T O

[@the_bendy_games]

Hayato.

[@CCG175]

Hayato

[@Myranmia83]

9*

[@da_pikmin_coder8367]

I've never understood how Fugo leaving is considered an "Araki Forgot". He didn't mysteriously disappear, he was given an extremely blatant and clear sendoff. I don't understand why anyone would expect to return afterwards. Hell, a majority of these debunked "Araki Forgot" moments are simply how something wasn't frequently brought up again.

[@francescolombardi3438]

Purple Haze: Do people REALLY want to see me licking myself?!

[@mizxd7775]

Da_Pikmin_Coder Yeah, and the reason Fugo left was really sensible if you think about it, the flashback said Fugo has a really high IQ, and because of that he put facts logic and his intelligence at the fore front and decided that continuing on journey with his friends would be unfavourable, simple as that. (His big brain was right btw, if he did continue he would have probably died along with narancia and abacchio.)

[@joshuagraham5750]

Da_Pikmin_Coder Araki had the plans for golden heart golden rings (correct the name) for quite a while but couldn’t bring himself to write it.

[@HarmonyParuko]

i personally used "Araki forgot Fugo" as a joke. Its just funny to think about, but not actually being serious.

[@noba04]

its more of the fact that people are so attached to the standard modern anime cliches/tropes which makes them expect good guy Fugo to return at the last minute and save the day because he apparently changed his mind one day

[@thedevilgoose2482]

The idea of Cioccolata experiencing the life shot(s) during 7-page muda makes the whole thing so much more brutal I love it.

[@skuoppy]

this probably happened with diavolo too, because GER is catastrophically stronger in pure punching power than normal gold experience. Diavolo would've probably been completely vaporized by Requiem's normal punches, but i like to think that Giorno just prolonged his life out of pure hatred.

[@incription]

@@skuoppyI don’t think ger punches are any stronger than regular, there’s no evidence of that

[@charlesguillergan8759]

​@@incriptionhe literally flicked a piece of rubble at the speed of a bullet or even faster

[@seifeir6951]

@@skuoppyGE’s ability is to imbue things with life energy. GER’s new ability is zero. It would follow that its punches imbue things with ‘zero’ GER killed Diavolo, but the act of dying was zeroed out. Hence why perpetually exists in his moment of death

[@sheipi9978]

Fun fact: giorno's accelerating punches have a very specific sound effect that plays everytime he uses it. This sound effect is also played during the beggining of the seven page muda

[@ChoaiDode]

So that’s what that was

[@sasdagreat8052]

The chocolate guy deserved it.

[@typo691]

@@sasdagreat8052 who are you

[@sasdagreat8052]

@@typo691 Mate who're *you*

[@ciape7547]

@@typo691 ??? What???

[@caihly2443]

I love how some people think that the characters having 1000IQ is not enough, and that they should be absolutely omniscient by knowing the existence of a parallel world in mirrors that can only be entered via a single stand

[@BooguyTheAdept]

Like, Kakyoin is not Araki. Why he shouldn't be wrong?

[@DarrianDaiko]

@@BooguyTheAdept how can Kakyoin be wrong ? Everyone knows that Emerald Splash has NEVER be dodged/reflected !

[@aabeeek]

Seriously, if someone actually considers mirror world an "Araki forgot" then they are probably -1000IQ.

[@filipmoravcik1506]

It is definitely not an Araki forgot, but it is a very weird thing for Kakyoin to say. Like, he has no reason to even think that

[@juicejooos]

@@filipmoravcik1506 Why though? Kakyoin is a very rational person, thinking things through clear-mindedly. The concept of a mystical "mirror-world" was too much of a stretch for it to be real, in his mind. The stand had to have a weakness, and the existence of a mirror world would have only made it stronger. But then again, there is an actual mirror world thanks to Man in the Mirror, so Kakyoin was actually wrong. I think it would be interesting to see if he would've figured it out if put against Illuso. Ironically, Kakyoin usually ends up making things worse for himself by acting like he does, logical and all.

[@quinn7520]

imagine being in court and winning then they bring in Hamon Beat

[@CanterlotCrusader]

*Giono's piano begins as soon as he enters

[@chara3469]

OBJECTION!

[@AZRARICCIARDO]

hamon beat = phoenix wright confirmed 😳

[@wheatleythe_bigmoron_1179]

Nice

[@samuelhenryguzman-santamar5258]

Everybody gucci until hamon beat shows up

[@antholarenzi932]

The footprint thing is actually genius: she softened the land instinctively.

[@driveghost9499]

I like how people always point to Jotaro saying "No StAnD cAn ReViVe ThE dEaD", assuming that Jotaro apparently knows about every single Stand in the World, and every STand that has and will exist, as if Jotaro has some kind of Stand Dictionary that lets him know about every Stand. =-=

[@Bekrox]

ikr, like people can't be wrong now i guess?

[@averonisgaming9023]

Honestly, its the same thing as hearing a false rumor and spreading it around. These characters only know as much as you do

[@anotherks7297]

I'm 100% percent sure there is a term for this in writing. The author wants to establish a continuity without the bringing about of some godlike entity, so they have the character say it in some scene.

[@Misanthropolis]

@@anotherks7297 I love how Stands can't revive yet they can literally reset the universe (Made in Heaven). So the line is drawn at resurrection, and resetting the universe, which indirectly revives people, is apparently nothing too serious.

[@srwugrihf6566788jkij]

@@Misanthropolis in fact Made in Heaven doesn't kill and doesn't revive anyone. It is clearly shown in the manga, I don't understand how this fake news came out

[@alexstach8667]

Its weird how people think that everything that was said in part 3 is basically a fact and not just a speculation by the character. Kakyoin may think that there is no "mirror world" but it doesnt mean that he cant be wrong. Same goes for Jotaros quote about reviving the dead.

[@ivana4216]

With Jotaro it's not like that because he is not assuming. He is a profesional, and at the end of the day he is 100% right.

[@Wezlii530]

@@ivana4216 so jotaro should’ve also known who pucci was and where dio was and who Kira was and knew everything about their stand

[@Rhobeni]

They point back to these quotes like their facts but I’m pretty sure Kakyoin and Jotaro have the JoJo wiki on standby. Also about the mirror world how tf would he know about man in the mirror when it’s literally over a decade later

[@BingusLover-yx7vf]

@@Wezlii530 my theory is that it was because of the dio diary as dio probably wrote something about fate and how spirits work and at the end of the day he is correct and he probably did research on stands in the meantime

[@surpriseiwasanimpostor1258]

Jotaro in part 4:No stand can revive people Also Jotaro in part 3:Revives Joseph Me:Bruh

[@jamesa.7549]

Man in the Mirror is basically just the stand equivalent to the "You're going to the shadow realm jimbo" meme. Change my mind

[@LonesomeKrow]

James A Sellers Person: *exists* Man in the Mirror: *”looks like you’re going to the shadow realm, Jimbo.”*

[@justanothernerd8338]

"your going in the mirror realm jimbo."

[@FancyMcSchmancy]

The worst part is that he’s right.

[@Magic_Ice]

No that’s Cream

[@triangulum8869]

C R E A M

[@jerahmeelshemlaxasalenga847]

I love it how Araki think of his characters as real person since he cares about Fugo in this story

[@ctrlaltrepeat245]

Thats the best way to treat a character. When writing a character you have to understand that they are *your* creation. When you want to do something with that character, you gotta rememeber that that action is only reversable with a retcon.

[@andrelee7081]

Plot hole: Lots of villains end up running away at times, even though it's supposed to be a technique unique to the Joestar bloodline /s

[@pandasmith321]

The only un-debunkable Araki Forgot

[@lakshaykochhar9802]

Shit! Here i was thinking that Hamon beat's analysis, has no weakness but now i think, he should give up.

[@WednesdayMan]

explanation: Joseph calls it the Joestar Family Technique. however it's a technique, not some bloodline exclusive ability, as we've seen many people in JoJo part 1 use running other than Jonathan Joestar.

[@thenightjackal]

And this concludes my 16 page thesis on why Diavolo is Giorno's third cousin.

[@diooverheaven6561]

@@moisttowlettes6532 no it was i DIO who showed this tactic to mafia

[@joule400]

Also pointing out on silver charriot throwing polnareff, stands have been called manifestations of ones fighting spirit, against cream polnareff had already mentally given up so itd make sense for his stand to be weaker too

[@-_Ella_--wk9ej]

that's part 3, not 5

[@amethystgoblin5950]

@@-_Ella_--wk9ej uh, so?

[@duck3892]

@@nameistanya the araki forgot part refers to vanilla ice fight dumbass. It mentions SC not being able to yeet polpol but it can yeet chairnareff in part 5

[@spiderflame04]

I forgot the scene where Chariot holds Polnareff up existed, so I figured that since Chariot can interact with objects, he can throw the wheelchair that Polnareff just so happened to be on, but not interact with Polnareff directly

[@GameBreaker1055]

@@spiderflame04 Oh no. Stands can totally interact with their users. Both Jotaro and Josuke use that to hold od on to edges and pull themselves up.

[@precious_shun]

JoJo Fans: "ARAKI FORGOT THIS AND THAT!" Araki: *sweat nervously staring at Hamon Beat* Hamon Beat: "Fine, I'll do it myelf"

[@FieryMeltman]

I know you're joking, but it's more likely that Araki feels he doesn't need to waste his time doing that himself.

[@thelastmlg2699]

@@FieryMeltman or he just doesn't care and takes it as a joke

[@rorrim0]

@@thelastmlg2699 if Araki forgot is mostly a western thing then yeah he probably doesn't care. Dont think Japan cares about the overseas market as much as westerners do.

[@ellisroper3201]

@@Super_Suchi A character isn't a plot point though, unless you're suggesting that Launch was important to the plot of Dragon Ball only to suddenly disappear and the plot around her to become unfinished.

[@mithmoonwalker]

*gives araki comfort blanket*

[@T-MOTH]

The mirror thing can be explained simply by saying that Araki limited himself way too much in stand abilities in part 3. Part 3 stands were always really practical and set in stone, which would make for boring future parts. So as he grew as a writer, the limits in part 3 slowly disappeared. It's more of Kakyoin not knowing how complex stands can be because all he's seen from stands so far was stuff like "fire", "sword", "punch good", "gun", etc. There's a reason he reacted with "how can this be" when he learned that The World can stop time.

[@dopaminecloud]

feel like you're downplaying how strong of a start to stands part 3 was

[@Jiub_SN]

Stands weren't that simple, you could say 4 for stands were fix, erase, sound, blow up, hair etc and that dumbs them down just as much. Taking avdols stand as an example, his fire wasn't actual fire. His fire could burn with no oxygen, could bind as though it was a rope, he could detect heat coming from living things and far more. You're seriously underselling part 3's stands, after all, jotaro stands ability wasn't punch good, it was speed and precision which naturally fit time stop as his ability. Stands have weaknesses, and hanged man's was obviously that he wasn't actually untouchable in a mirror dimension, just as dio and jotaro a weakness is that their timestop is limited, or diavolos is that he is still bound to fate when not erasing time. Get it?

[@hudo1167]

Nazis in 1939: make a cyborg Polnareff in 2001: uses a wheelchair

[@ultimatetrashboy419]

Работаем that’s because German science is the finest in the world

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Lousy French Science isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

[@mrreyes5004]

The weird part is that Polnareff actually *_was_* a cyborg; his legs were so injured that they were replaced with metal prosthetics, yet for some reason he still takes to using a wheelchair despite metal being naturally much stronger than flesh and bone.

[@attarhakeemaa]

YOU UTTER FOOL!!! German science is the best in the world!!

[@M1sterBruh]

MrReyes 500 I hope you’re kidding. it’s reasonable to assume his spine was shattered. no prosthetic leg will make you walk again if your spinal cord is severed.

[@shinkenger2011]

Plot hole: this takes place in Italy, yet every character does _not_ begin a sentence with “mamma mia, pasta pizza, nyoho~” until part 7 Araki forgot how italy works

[@hermitfan_363]

and 👌this

[@shinkenger2011]

@@hermitfan_363 plot hole: Black Sabbath kills Mario/Luigi, but they already died back in part 3 ova smh

[@hermitfan_363]

@@shinkenger2011 smh my head

[@shinkenger2011]

@@hermitfan_363 literally crying and sharting rn

[@MegaSemi]

🤌🏻

[@waspywasp451]

I would say the DIO picture wasn't an error as much as a throwback. However, it can still be explained by "Oh, this is just how DIO likes to take his pictures" This would make sense, as we know DIO LOVES showing off Jonathan's body, so it's natural to get the most recognisable part of it in the picture

[@Trans4Hire]

I like to think that Joseph just took so many spirit photos of dio that he ended up selling them

[@josemanuelrodriguez401]

@@Trans4Hire Sounds like a Joseph thing to do.

[@fran-wk3nq]

@@Trans4Hire Joseph is secretly Dio's fanboy

[@VictorIV0310]

I thought Giorno’s mom snapped a pic of him after sex.

[@goggles8691]

@@Trans4Hire people would pay a ton since DIO is hot

[@ДокторЯдо]

Ideas: gruesome deaths of humans and animals, body horror, villains with warped psyche Araki: "This never gets old!" Idea: Fugo betrays his friends Araki: "I can't T_T"

[@pancakes8816]

I get what you mean, but maybe it hit a little too close to home for what he was dealing with at the time. But who knows

[@CrystallizedBlackSkull]

Understandable if he was depressed at the time. I have no issues with making villains even if i'm depressed but when it comes to thinking of family members? Especially when Passione gang really felt like a family? Man I can understand why it'd tug on him

[@emblemblade9245]

Apparently all of part 5’s turned up gore and dark moments were influenced by his depressed state at the time, but writing the more positive and hopeful moments also helped him get through it

[@suezuccati304]

Aka, Araki is wholesome and values friendship a lot

[@waffler-yz3gw]

@@pancakes8816 this actually is why he decided against it

[@kalderanx3750]

3:52 it wasn’t just SOME of his fingers, it was those EXACT SAME fingers. That were lost by the lead guitarist

[@footlover9416]

this comment should be higher up

[@urosmaric4329]

Just say Tony Iommi

[@damporing7558]

Imagine Polpo just spitting out the top of his finger and just gluing it on

[@shizotypical]

so Araki cares more about Polpo's fingers matching a real-life inspiration than for Polnareff's lost fingers matching those from part 3? yay.

[@damporing7558]

@@shizotypical to be fair, all his limbs except for his right arm didn't come back, you know, except for his left arm which did make a return

[@elpoyo8062]

Love how most of the Araki forgot moments were just fans forgetting things

[@zaqareemalcolm]

Broke: Araki forgot Woke: *Araki's audience forgot*

[@lonerscandream2019]

I once explained to a some guy that araki didn't actually forget and he got really defensive about how bad araki is at remembering and that I'm just excusing bad writing even though that's not the case

[@zaqareemalcolm]

@@lonerscandream2019 oh man jojolion is basically a big middle finger to "araki forgot" lmao

[@honeykrisp16]

Oh the irony

[@elpoyo8062]

zaqareemalcolm people who say Araki forgot things in JoJolion are morons. The part isn't completed yet, of course not everything has been brought up.

[@qEagleStrikerp]

About the Buciaratti Revival: I actually interpreted the content of the last two episodes the following way: By destroying the rock, Buciaratti was able to escape his fate of dying and be able to live for a while longer in a dead body. In exchange, two of his fellows - Narancia and Abacchio - would die alongside him. Edit: Also take a look at Salumas explanation in the first comment, it provides an even better solution.

[@regenbogenwolf]

this is actually a realy good explanation. I just took it as revealing that Buciaratti not dying to rolling stones meant that those two where also fated to die. This is just my interpretation, but it seems like rolling stones ability is not to just euthanise somone destined to die, but to save the life of another one destined for death in the process. Without it, the sculpctors girlfriend would have died like her father, but because she allowed herself to get killed by it her organs can now save her father, saving him from his destininy of death. Likewise if Buciaratti had died by it the events that lead to Narancias and Abacchios dead wouldn't have had occured, saving them from their fated deaths.

[@qEagleStrikerp]

@@regenbogenwolf This is an even better explanation, thank you!

[@judgment5090]

Rock: did he just crush me? He just crushed me. Well let’s how he handles survivors guilt!!!

[@frlfrl2098]

Saluma Man, imagine if Bucciarati had died here. The fated encounter would've never happened and Giorno wouldn't meet Bucciarati's gang. Maybe it was a destiny where the boss was never overthrown.

[@Zeldarulah]

This is what I thought too, but I was surprised to see no one else saying this until I saw this comment

[@mattwo7]

10:12 I don't see how anyone could be confused about this when Bucciarati _clearly_ said he was dead, basically a zombie, albeit one not immune to the effects of rigor mortis.

[@morriganpandora3787]

BUT ARAKI FORGOT how to actually draw swole characters and that's why they're so skinny in the part 5 Polnareff flashbacks and that makes me a lil sad

[@canigetawater]

I thought it was because he wanted to try a new artstyle frick

[@franciscorendon2783]

Araki forgot how to draw in general, his manga is ugly af compared to any acceptable manga.

[@gannongarfin1634]

@@franciscorendon2783 have you seen the manga? The artwork is actually pretty great

[@franciscorendon2783]

@@gannongarfin1634 Ironically I started reading Stone Ocean 2 days ago and it looks great.

[@johnlucas2838]

Evolution of an Artist's drawing style. Sometimes they can't revert to the previous method because of their improvements.

[@dillankempter5780]

I like to imagine that Echoes act 3 is just a representation of Koichi's personality just like Spice Girl is for Trish, but Koichi just hasn't embraced that vulgar version of himself that Act 3 encompasses. also Spice Girl says "please, give me orders" just like Act 3 does when it is first revealed, so there you go, they're the same

[@thoronbar]

I think Koichi has pent-up annoyance because everybody looks down on him, literally and then figuratively. He's a good person, so he chooses not to act this way, but his Stand, as an extension of his soul, is honest rather than kind. See 'kill da hoe'

[@theyeetmeister6953]

so, its the same Stand?

[@hfbnffsdugai3754]

@@thoronbar Beeeetch

[@emilio1044]

@@theyeetmeister6953 Trish after seeing Echoes Act3 So it's the same type of stand as Spice Girl

[@mudamuda482]

Im assuming if koichi embraces his vulgar version it might have evolved into echos act 4

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Part 5 was easily one of my favorites hands down. Actually, it's hard to pick because I love every JoJo part.

[@tibiafibiafie]

How is your mustache counterpart doing

[@tool5388]

HAND

[@tool5388]

HANDS DOWN

[@galactic_road9113]

Same

[@diobrando8575]

I see you and the mustache counterpart almost anywhere with jojo or anime why

[@maddy02_]

I Teared up hearing that Araki was too depressed to kill off Fugo through betrayal. Idk why 😔

[@JackClockerinos]

It's because Araki is not only a very kind person, but also because people wrongly-assumed Fugo didn't appear for some boring "Araki forgot" nonsense or because of his ability, when it's because Araki was in a dark place and didn't want to make his material even darker and more depressing than he was already making it. As someone who just got into JoJo and finished part 5, I didn't really like it but realizing Araki wrote it under deep depression does add a new way of looking at it for me now. I always thought the tone difference was a little awkward when watching it, but now it makes perfect sense, and I understand the story more

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

15:00 I always thought Diavolo's illogical past were references to him being a literal demon haunting Doppio.

[@IgnacioRodriguez-ue8pb]

When Giorno meets the gang is shown abbachio pissing on the teapot, why didnt he used that ability to kill king crimson?? Araki forgot

[@datpisidukmv2819]

That is one of Diavolo's deaths so it's 100% cannon

[@theindianyouwatch]

Jarate!

[@jonathanyu9076]

@@theindianyouwatch FOOL, YOU FORGOT MY SECRET ABILITY B U S H W H A C K A

[@Banan_Man_]

they shouldve pissed on diavolo 😭

[@reemraghad4267]

@@datpisidukmv2819 really? Why? does drinking pee kill you?

[@chrysalismacosmist165]

I honestly thought Tris has a dinosaur for a stand when the claw mark on the ground happened.

[@jessbian]

Diego Brando: **looks aside and whistles**

[@uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu5323]

and i thought that she was going to have a stand with fire powers as the ground where the mark was looked scorched

[@moderncrusader1150]

A difference between your expectation of her power being wrong and Araki actually forgetting

[@helios6371]

Scary monsters

[@peenyyt4921]

@@moderncrusader1150 you think purple haze feedback is canon you don’t get to speak about other people being wrong

[@mikelippenkrans5297]

JoJo fans: Araki is so dumb he always forgets things Also JoJo fans: why didn't they all just get inside the mini fridge

[@snappinglettuce2865]

The part where in the anime diavolo crushed the scorpion was just dp forgot

[@markasbrown9120]

At 2:45 - 3:20 he mentions the damage reflection. The anime adaptation was incorrect and in the manga Diavolo avoided damaging the scorpion.

[@markasbrown9120]

Wait nvm I just read your comment that DP forgot

[@andresprieto888]

@@markasbrown9120 its a david production forgot

[@Tanya-wm1jl]

Hey does anyone notice that when they first see a strong stand they're like " this stand is totally invincible" and like 1 episode later they beat the hell out of the stand user

[@BrickBreakerXX]

to be fair, that's the case for a lot of stands that have the advantage of preparation on their side. Our protagonists instead combine efforts, strategise or use sheer (p)luck to get them through.

[@gay_madilynn]

Omg its Jolyne Cujoh from famous manga and soon anime JoJo's Bizarre adventure Stone ocean

[@virginiagalarza9078]

@@gay_madilynn " *OI JOSUKE I ERASED ALL POSSIBILITY OF A PART 6 ANIME SO THAT WE CAN GET SBR SOONER BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE CALLING ME A PART SKIPPER PLEASE HELP* "

[@noelleholiday61]

@@virginiagalarza9078 Oi, Josuke! I erased time itself and now I'm the leader of an Italian gang and suffer from Dissociative Identity Disorder! Isn't that w a c k y?

[@LumaSloth]

@@gay_madilynn ooohh *Nightmareeee!*

[@MilkJugA_]

spice girl's independent behavior makes sense with how stands work. start of part 3, star platinum moved by itself. long-range stands like black sabbath are completely disconnected to the user. the less of a deep/direct connection the user has with their stand, the more independent it is

[@jondo5114]

i've always brought up the fact that jotaro didn't have control over star platinum, it was independent at the time, and as we know, independent stands, a lot of times, have long ranges.

[@boianko]

Probably the best example of this is Cheap Trick - the stand with arguably the most personality and tons of dialogue, which was so disconnected from its user that it persisted after his death and actively wanted to kill him.

[@ruyman90]

They always have a certain level of independence. I mean how would Star platinum do ORA ORA punches that no normal human should be able to see or process.

[@yeotechno6580]

I think thats why Purple Haze is kinda concious

[@Nachachus]

@@ruyman90 They are talking about the Pre-Magician's Red Star Platinum; at the beginning when it only showed it's hands and brought Jotaro things like mangas. At the time, Star Platinum was so disconnected from Jotaro, that it was an independent stand,and thus it had a lot of range

[@themirrorgem2069]

Imagine going from a dude who turned money into butterflies to steal em to a Mob Boss in 8 days.

[@krycklund]

I feel like continuously asking ''How could they survive that????'' is fundamentally misunderstanding Jojo's Bizzare Adventure.

[@smgtercero]

any shonen really, it happens time and time again that anime characters have a tendency to avoid death

[@lucinavonnolaran8728]

@@smgtercero you could say... they have a *B A T T L E T E N D E N C Y* !

[@demi-femme4821]

@@lucinavonnolaran8728 **off-key kazoo plays "Overdrive"**

[@salsashark4133]

Lmao I saw someone talking about One Punch Man, saying, "but how is he even so powerful? It doesn't make any sense!" Super missing the point.

[@mohamadalgendy4950]

I mean, im not gonna analyze some scene like "he lost too much blood because of the sun's position i was able to calculate that he has been losing blood for 10 minuted and should be dead" but when something like mista falling literally from the seventh floor and walking it off im going to call bullshit...

[@gcsgamingcommunity4087]

11:27 tiny nitpick - (in the anime at least) Bruno’s deafness is induced by damage to his eardrums from popping a tire under mud, not as a side effect of being dead.

[@ElsanneJ]

He was already kinda deaf and only hearing the souls' voices, but that *at least* fully deafended him.

[@DeathKingChannel]

Yeah, his body would eventually deteriorate to the point he would go deaf. The situation just sped it up.

[@victornyabuto5553]

In the car with giorno, bucciarti, and mista it seems that he already was losing his hearin when bucciarti couldnt hear giorno

[@kingkay14]

No he was already going deaf during the ride with giorno after they escaped the fishing village he couldn’t hear him until he looked in the rear view mirror. The tire pop did make it worse

[@votebot3914]

I think the point of him saying that was that he didn't feel and or bleed from his ear drumbs bursting

[@clamoringrisotto]

Araki Forgot Starter Pack: - """Forgotten""" techniques, which have no use in later fights. - Not doing their own research. - Misunderstanding or missing the point of a scene. - Blaming Araki's memory and/or age. - Complaining about irrelevant minor characters not reappearing. - Nitpicking? Maybe? - Not knowing about manga and anime differences. - Ironically, remembering a scene wrong. - Saying things as if they were facts.

[@riz_xx_nameless1603]

And some of them just know jojo from meme especially araki forgot meme

[@makzionut7096]

You forgot spreading misinformation "Araki intended DIO to have all stands but realized that would be too OP". Araki never said this. "Araki wanted Anasui to be a lesbian but his editors were homophobic." This is never mentioned by Araki its just a theory. "DIO is bisexual". While it is very likeley, Araki never says this. "Fugo got written out of the story because he was too op." Not only did Araki not say this but it makes no sense. He would have been useless in the clash notorious big and greenday fight and would have bareley done shit against King Crimson. "Araki intended for Josuke to go back in time." This is never said by Araki. "Araki got asked about Josuke's saviour and he responded with: yeah that happened.". This is super specific and i don't even know where people got this. Araki gets asked about it and says that it haves nothing to do with a time travel plot. Its just Josuke's memory. "Araki said Emporio will be the mc of part 9" . I have no idea of how people believe that interview with fake subtitles, when the subtitles talk about "the gayness of poses". Johnatan saying that if he dies, his soul will haunt DIO. That is a fucking edit. He never says that.

[@makzionut7096]

I mean to say spreading fan theories. You mentioned misinformation.

[@LjuboCupic1912]

Makz Ionut DIO is actually bisexual. I don’t exactly remember in what interview he said this, but he mentioned that DIO doesn’t care if it’s a man or a woman he’s having sex with, as long as they interest him.

[@xShonFrostx]

Ash The forgotten techniques are actually forgotten though. Someone as smart as Giorno would have abused the shit out of damage reflection, centering his strategies around it. After all, the enemy’s goal is to hurt your body. You cannot introduce a technique and then make it disappear from a character’s toolkit.

[@jrsiv4462]

Araki: Doesn’t bring back an element supposed to be phased out The audience: Wow. What a big plot hole. I can’t believe Araki forgot.

[@MechanicalRabbits]

Not necessarily a plot hole, but doing that too often can be considered bad writing. As a storyteller you want to be creating setups that then pay off later on. Part 5 introduced many ideas that end up nowhere or feel abandoned. Giorno's stand abilities feel like they got reworked halfway through the manga, you have two initial fights where it's established what his stand can do (Bruno and shovel guy), and then he never takes advantage of neither of those properties through the rest of the story. It doesn't matter if it can be explained in canon like Hamon Beat did, it's still a very weird choice as a writer. Introducing him as Dio's son and then not doing anything with that is also a questionable choice. Araki has shown he can do much better than this, other parts are much more consistent with themselves, but I guess it makes sense since he was going through a rough time while writing Vento Aureo.

[@tanyaharmon6739]

@@MechanicalRabbits His whole personality and the way he caculates and excutes his plans is because of Dio, lmao. His cold calm demanor show his Dio side while his sense justice come from his joestar side. Also, his abilities arent forgotten, lol. His his abilitie is life manipulation is used thorghout the part

[@dusknoir64]

Honestly, how could Araki forget the entire subplot of Fugo, Narancia, and Mista's dancing career?

[@M4x_P0w3r]

I mean, they are perfectly syncronized, so that implies that they must have done that at least a few times before in the past. Just how often does Bruno hold someone hostage to interrogate them while these 3 goofs are dancing in their face?

[@vcsa681]

Why they didnt used the torture dance again against Prosciutto and Pesci?

[@tysonfontanez]

With those anime-only errors, is it safe to say David Productions forgot?

[@alecfongy3175]

Yes sir

[@pecku7739]

more like David Productions Misunderstood.

[@FunnyValentine-f2r]

@@pecku7739 They probably forgot.

[@dogmuncher_69]

@@pecku7739 they forgot

[@nurvis3489]

@Appl3 YT Araki rember

[@joaokenobiamaral3215]

Plot hole: mista hates the number 4 but he uses a magnun 44 caliber

[@carlosoramasramos8911]

Plot hole: Mista hates the number 4 but in his backstory he shoots 4 bullets perfectly

[@runtergerutscht4401]

Plot hole: why did Mista survive being in a gang with FUGO, whose name consists of four letters?

[@dane9027]

that's not a .44 my man.

[@yoshikagekira812]

I'm pretty sure mista's revolver is a .38 special

[@joaokenobiamaral3215]

@@yoshikagekira812 that plus 4 makes a .44 special

[@LincolnsDementure]

Fun fact but the whole “tasting lies” thing actually has some truth to it, because when the body lies or undergoes something that gives them anxiety they’re body produces chemicals that can make sweat taste a bit different to regular sweat from kinetic energy!

[@timothyryan8983]

And the flavour is briefly salty.

[@chunkymonkey31]

@@timothyryan8983 All sweat is salty though.

[@PetitPoneyDuVercors26]

Yes the cold sweat (huge stress) often smells different too Since it goes out more faster the smell created by bacterias on the skin is different than the hot sweat, and the chemicals into the sweat are different too yes... Two of my coworkers have a quite strong distinct smell sometimes, we all sweat it's physical work but they are especially anxious, (and in a nursing home the stress situations are frequent, we have some old lady that have panic attacks, if you're anxious that's really hard to face it, it's stressful) so when I notice it I don't just tell they stink it won't help them at all to just shower, I ask if they need to talk or take few minutes of calm... I sweat a lot in summer, shower works for me, but if you smell because of anxiety's cold sweat it's useless if the source of stress is still active on you

[@Logann-g1z]

Can't wait to try this irl

[@Byakkoya11037]

The one with Fugo was always a least favorite of mine. Just another example of people choosing to believe whatever they want to and passing it off as "haha I am so clever for noticing this thing that I have decided is a plot hole".

[@SentientHoodii]

*something isn't monologued about or explained in excruciating detail every time it is shown or brought up because readers shouldn't have the memory of a goldfish* Jojo fans: "Is this a plot hole?!?!?!"

[@daskampffredchen]

@@SentientHoodii I hate that in Animes if a character feels the need to repeat everything. Sum it up in 20words or less

[@Byakkoya11037]

@@SentientHoodii Pretty Much.

[@Pyroniusburn]

It's ironic the early parts are criticised for spoon-feeding certain points and having a running narrator during fights, only for later parts to have people constantly claim plot holes in the material whether they're there or not, most of the time because they weren't paying attention when it was explained.

[@daskampffredchen]

@@Pyroniusburn Thats pretty much what Speedwagon is in part 1

[@jonseon5952]

I assumed that King Crimson cut off Trish's hand and took her with his A rank speed and strength and erased the time where she would have screamed. Edit: Same with Narancia. Boss cuts the iron bars. Throws Narancia so that he'll land on the bars. Erases time so that Narancia's friends can't hear his screaming but now in King Crimson's world Narancia is on the trajectory to land on the spiked bars with no way of letting someone know or stopping.

[@Estra_Estra]

The weird thing is there's no hole where King Crimson could've entered through in the manga, he just enters the elevator and gets out somehow, did he manage to open the elevator door, then got out and maybe that's why Bruno was looking forward? Since Diavolo says the whole world is erased when he activates his ability, maybe he can just sorta go into the elevator.

[@eggwuh9924]

@@Estra_Estra yea i think the whole world erase thing is right becasue he throws blood on polnareffs face after he had been launched into the air but diavolo is seen basically standing in front of him

[@Estra_Estra]

@@eggwuh9924 He does seem to stand when he erases time but in the final time it looks like he floats towards Giorno and GER at one point.

[@leaffinite2001]

@@Estra_Estra the theory used in this video would argue that he used epitaph to see a fate where he entered the elevator, chopped trishes hand off, and left, then skipped the time where he actually did those things. Meaning that the consequences of those things happening would occur, without him actually doing it. Which makes sense. Its not the only possibility though

[@Estra_Estra]

@@leaffinite2001 That's what I believe happened as well, but what did he even see in his vision is the weird thing, I can only imagine him opening the elevator door, chopping off Trish's hand off while Bruno is still holding it because King Crimson's pretty fast I guess, and leaving shortly after. It's just weird that even if we consider that he did something in erased time it _still_ doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[@tort3333]

I love how this guy just talks so calmly while just speaking with overwhelming facts and logic

[@oom-7845]

@Fahd The King while not directly insulting them

[@vvlixi274]

@@oom-7845 straight chad lmao

[@aquiresramires9355]

@Fahd The King bro hamon beat had to explain how a fridge works just to make ppl understand

[@SaltExarch]

Another thing about Koichi is that, as directly mentioned in the manga, Jotaro directly mentions Echos. We've seen Koichi using Act 1 to scout multiple times for the Morioh gang and he has one of the longest-range Stands of anyone we know Jotaro is associated with. So not only does Jotaro consider him reliable and capable, but his stand's perfect for the kind of search/reconnaissance job Jotaro is asking about.

[@DahHourglass]

Echos evolved into act 3 he cant switch. Back can he?

[@SaltExarch]

@@DahHourglass Echoes has always been able to switch between forms. We see him use Act 1 to scout multiple times even after getting Act 2 and Act 3, and in fact in the Part 5 manga he's actively shown searching for Giorno with Act 1 after he gets his suitcase stolen, but this scene was not shown in the anime.

[@jolyne1541]

No!!! Kakyoin has the longest range stand and IS associated with Jotaro🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 araki just forgot about kakyoin

[@SaltExarch]

​@@jolyne1541 I'm assuming this is a joke, but on the off-chance it isn't (or at least for people who come read this comment section later and take it seriously, because that is known to happen with Jojo fans): Echoes Act 1 has a range of 50 meters, whereas Kakyoin's Hierophant Green has a maximum range of 20 meters with his famous 20 meter Emerald Splash, so even if Kakyoin was still alive during Part 5 (which he wasn't, making him irrelevant to the conversation anyway), Koichi would still outrange him.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@SaltExarch bro ok pal, if your so smart why didn't jotaro tell Avdol to go???? Avdol can burn tress which is one of giornos abilities so he makes much more sense!!!! ARAKI FORGOT!!!! 🤬😡

[@warwick802]

Anything Jojo: Goes away for a few episodes Jojo fans: *_aRaKi fOrGoT??_*

[@BerserkGlazer200]

interesting jojo fans never forget anything

[@carlos6037]

Goes away forever*

[@vcsa681]

@@WrathofFenrir99 Araki forgot about speedwagon because he never show up again in part 3-6

[@slooobs1123]

Even if fugo was meant to be a spy, him learning the torture dance must've been amazing

[@ctrlaltrepeat245]

Yknow when I think abt it, Fugo would be amazing spy. If he’s ever found out, he could just punch a wall with Purple Haze or shoot a capsule at someone and then run away

[@roidmango5751]

the jojo fanbase be like "yo araki forgets all the time what happened to the little girl with the cat phone on the plane who sits next to doppio? whats her stand do??? araki forgetted lol."

[@Moody.Smiruai]

Sad thing is I can see someone actually saying that

[@paxerprime]

Her stand is Glock 17

[@blazine1596]

Her stand is the FBI

[@niclasneziru1854]

Mochi mochi?

[@WednesdayMan]

Nah her Stand is Breakbot and it has a substand Baby I'm Yours (sorta Like King Crimson and Epitah) "Baby I'm Yours" can break down any door, and it'll have its own Mini FBI (kinda like Bad Company from part 4), while Break Bot is a Robot that does analysis on surrounding areas to make a map.. I need more ideas.

[@Someone-em8xd]

The reason Bruno came back to life wasn't because of resolve or because of the fact that giorno healed him it was simply because mista changed the rolling stones' shape meaning that he changed bruno's fate, however that only allowed bruno to live a tad bit longer and also led abbachio and narancia to their deaths. That's my take on this

[@StellarStarGaming]

Same but Abit different

[@Jay0Kayo]

Same. I thought the whole point of Sleeping Slaves arc was to explain Bruno not dying (+some philosophy about fate) and it hurts me everytime people ignore it in their explanations.

[@bismarckimperia8781]

Yeah, fate being manipulated prolonged his fate though even that small change killed 2 people.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@Jay0Kayo no the og comment and this are wrong, Bruno's fate was his death against Rolling Stones, Mista changed that so he'd live a bit longer resulting in Abbachio and narancia deaths as this would cause giorno to meet Bruno and cause part 5s events, hence why it was a prequel to them meeting giorno. Don't really understand how that's not super obvious lmao

[@A_Dennis]

⁠​⁠@@Jiub_SNyou are wrong. His fate was getting his chest punctured by king crimson. There’s literally a page of the artist bringing up that detail. Chapter 153 page 12.

[@rodo1252]

Your explanation of King Crimson has finally made me understand. that phrasing "erases fate" makes so much more sense than the anime´s "erases time".

[@kudosbudo]

Yeah but it still doesn't work. IF he erases his own fate and other folks fate still happens Giorno should have died. So it can't work that way if Narancia died. You can't have contradicting explanation explain how Narancia died and Giorno didnt'.

[@anything8953]

The phrasing "erases fate" makes me even more confused about what his power is even supposed to be. The reason why everyone's so confused about his ability is because so many people are throwing in different explanations for the exact same thing which leads to unavoidable confusion.

[@souland3566]

@@kudosbudo except Giorno had GER which is why he didn't die.

[@quinxly201]

@@anything8953 I see this as “skipping fate”

[@heavysbeltbuckle]

If a Villain's power requires the reader to sit through and read an entire paragraph to understand its most basic ability, then you failed and created a laughable joke

[@quentinnorthern8635]

I think it’s funny when people mention something said in one part “contradicts” with something said with another. If you take away the points that Hamon Beat said in this video, you have to keep in mind that the characters are only human (well, usually) and it’s not like there’s a scientific textbook in the Jojo universe with 100% facts as to how every stand is gonna work here. Most of what we know as fact is based on the observations of other people based on the most likely features of a stand. And there always seems to be at least 1 stand in each part that breaks these “rules” that have been laid out like Notorious B.I.G. Long story short there aren’t a whole lot of set-in-stone rules in jojo. Only observations.

[@SHISH_STYLE]

Actually those are meant to be informative statements so they are to be taken seriously, what you're talking about are when characters make an opinion based on what they see, hear, etc...

[@AirahsELL]

@@SHISH_STYLE most of the time the P3 stuff is just part of a joke. Like "no world exists inside a mirror" "THIS STAND TAKES US INTO A MIRROR WORLD!" or the man who actually brought someone back from the dead saying "no Stand can bring someone back from the dead." Even if in that case it was just CPR it's funny, and this has remained consistent (except for mr invisible zombies Limp Bizkit) to the point where not even D4C could find a universe where Valentine's father was alive.

[@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis]

Yeah, JoJo is not One Piece where Devil Fruits have an encyclopedia devoted to them.

[@Duothimir]

@@SHISH_STYLE Except they didn't know shit about the enemy Stands they faced in Part 3 either, and constantly learned new things about how they worked, such as the fact that animals can be Stand users or that it's possible for a Stand to stop time. They may not have *stated* a lot of things they were proven wrong on, but their assumptions were clearly challenged pretty often.

[@Moody.Smiruai]

@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis Speaking of One piece , I gotta say I love those encyclopedias

[@sigilkoreconnoisseur]

Giorno: _Has perfectly normal black hair_ Also Giorno: "Wouldn't blonde donuts be cool?"

[@eniss353]

fun fuct : giorno hair are ispired by david of michelangelo hair

[@gotenksta]

"Yo! I got this weird yellow dude following me around. Says it's called a stand and that I can no longer look like normal people."

[@Llozstuff]

ikr, and they talk about Josuke's sexy steak hair.

[@lebaguette5393]

But Giorno didn't have a red hair with a large twisting bang

[@sandwichboy1268]

Not many people know this, but your hair and clothes also awaken when you awaken your stand

[@forte6365]

Why didnt Kira use the death note once he found out Divolos real name? Yeah that's what I thought Oda is hack writer and Berserks Bizarre Adventure should've ended at part 3

[@asswipe8062]

Small brain: Araki forgot that Giorno can bring back Abbachio Big brain: Abbachio didn't have the resolve to come back to his body Galaxy brain: Abbachio was too mad that Giorno was the one who brought him back, despite him being the only one who could

[@Yahirplaysminecraft]

I thought it was because it was already too late. Like giorno has a short window in time to do the "revival".

[@Yahirplaysminecraft]

@zzz43452 RIGHT! I forgot about that... but yeah if rolling stones never happened that would be my reason.

[@rbrachy2518]

@@Yahirplaysminecraft yeah, and wasn’t the whole scene of Abbachio moving on with his old partner seen right before they found his body?

[@Yahirplaysminecraft]

@@rbrachy2518 probably

[@kishorsreenivasan8680]

Thing is abbachio died instantly and it was too late to revive him

[@lokne8670]

“No stand can bring somebody back from the dead” Civil War would like to have a chat

[@Chernobog2]

Civil War actually manifests exact replicas of anyone who is "revived" with its power, so any anyone revived this way is actually a copy, not the original. It's kind of like Giorno cloning Coco Jumbo. If that's too much of a BS answer, remember that SBR and JoJolion are in a different universe with different stand metaphysics.

[@maaaatiiii7]

What about Limp Bizkit, or as I like to call it: f l a c c i d p a n c a k e

[@DoganME]

Jack SBR has different rules than universe from part 1-6

[@whatiathatdogdoingfr]

Different universe different rules

[@skippermysun5991]

@@Chernobog2 it's a joke

[@BlazingRoman]

(4:41) Kakyoin: "This isn't some comic book" The reader: *Are you sure about that*

[@Iloveturkiye-mp5ee]

ً

[@tekwizwa]

This man has a ghost spirt that’s a physical manifestation of his soul and has the audacity to say a mirror world is impossible

[@cros_kloroform]

@@Iloveturkiye-mp5ee *confused screeching*

[@jonatankornievsky632]

Anime only people:confused screaming

[@tanyaharmon6739]

@Jeff Peterson manga is just a japanese comic book

[@kobrutism]

"diavolo was a result of a two year pregnancy with no apparent father" i mean if mother mary could do it why couldn't diavolo's mom, amirite

[@elusorymonk1941]

Diavolo had father but was said to be dead.

[@Horzinicla]

"This is another point people keep talking about. All they had to do was pay attention to the manga."

[@franciscorendon2783]

@@Horzinicla wHaT iF tHeY oNlY wAtChEd ThE aNiMe?

[@ColdspaceDog]

It was a baby head special ability

[@blueeyeschaosmaxdragon8186]

who is this mother mary?

[@cumbrap]

0:27 fuck yeah second place, finally some appreciation for part 4

[@shinkenger2011]

Why hello, Digby.

[@moderncrusader1150]

And Part 5 in first place. I love Japan.

[@roserose109]

wtf, i didn't expect _you_ to be here lol

[@shinkenger2011]

@Byleth Eisner I don’t disagree, but I think part of that is due to the anime. A lot of fans only went for memeing it rather (be it lovingly, ragging on it, or both) than paying closer attention until they saw Part Pizza in a more mainstream, expected format. Naturally, everyone will be drawn to that like Aerosmiths to a flame, and the parr’s detractors lightened up significantly or even started liking it. So what I’m saying is: _heheh yeah um Stone Ocean prolly gonna be overrated too, friend._

[@Kuriboh1008]

Part 4 is 1 of the best parts if not the best

[@cise3895]

On the topic of Bucciarati/Buccellati returning to his dead body, wasn’t that also due to Mista destroying the initial Rolling Stone which forecasted his death? It was even stated that a far greater tragedy awaited Mista & gang (presumably Abbachio donut and Narancia kebab), at least in the anime.

[@7thson855]

Yeah, is Rolling Stones fault, but I think that breaking Rolling Stones was already part of the fate, so to be precise is just Bruno's willpower and Rolling Stones just acted as a flag, if this was the case (personally, is my interpretation) Also, totally off topic, as an Italian, Buccellati is much correct (Is the actual correct reference to the sicilian pastry), but Bucciarati sounds way better and even Italians use It so no need to use the slash ;)

[@boxbot1292]

@@7thson855 Rolling Stones just represents fate. Sort of what you said, Rolling Stones can be manipulated to change fate. This however is meant to be symbolism of people changing fate with their own hands (Mista not accepting the outcome) rather than Rolling Stones itself being able to manipulate fate.

[@7thson855]

@@boxbot1292 Exactly, but analizing the fate in JoJo I've noticed that no one could really escape fate and that every single thing is "already written" in some way: no one has ever changed future, but every stand or ability that can see It Is just slightly incorrect, unprecise or bound to the ability user expectations. But this is very debateable and part 5 is not a good example of this because the entire message is "you can always escape the fate someone else wrote for you", but my point is: no one could really change the future, but the only way to be sure to "win the Life game" is embrace it and, at the same time, use your willpower as the fate doesn't exist to be sure that you have done the right thing. This interpretation in particular could be deduced by Will Zeppeli death and Boingo's arcs

[@mateomoreno331]

I want to unread Narancia kebab

[@FreezerBurn1704]

Aside from Rolling Stones as others have already mentioned, I believe Araki using Gold Experience as a symbolism for Giorno "breaking the mold" (fate) also had an impact. As Bruno says in his death scene "my heart had been dying a slow death and it came back to life all because of you”. I always interpreted that quote with the double meaning of both Giorno literally reviving him but also metaphorically reviving his will to live, as in, saving Bruno from the fate of working in the cruel world of violent, drug-ridden Passione and inspiring him to rebel and fight for what he believes is right. Gold Experience's power to "give life" suddenly acquires a more poetic meaning.

[@buetiblal]

17:18 i mean, interesting but i dont think its that why GE didnt evolve. It was hurting GE and giorno said that it would kill him if it pierced him all the way and i believe that. at that point in his journey, the arrow didnt deem him worthy yet. kira, polnareff, and later giorno killed and sustained damage, loss, and anguish in order to become worthy of an evoltion, but giorno hadnt. he hadnt killed anyone for his dream, nor had he sacrificed anything for it, and so the arrow deemed him unworthy and would have killed him like an unworthy non-stand user.

[@loganedge1051]

I personally don't like the Fate answer for things (which is probably why I don't love Part 5), but I agree with Hamon Beat's assertion of sustained time with the arrow. Primarily because this would make this moment another instance of the heroes fighting against Fate/judgment those making their lives harder. At this point, Giorno already wanted to take down the organization, and if he had gotten his Requiem stand that quickly, the journey would have been much easier, but like with Mista, fighting against Fate made his life harder.

[@AniViRus]

Note: There is NO way Kakyoin could know about MitM It's like some people don't believe the narwhals exist cus they didn't see them

[@andreas_iced8297]

yeah, kakyoin was just going with what he knew

[@francescolombardi3438]

Besides, even if there was a mirror world, Hanged Man didn't work that way anyways

[@snowtenkey118]

another thing with bucciarati not being able to liar taste narancia is the fact that in that point of time, he may not have his sense of taste with his dying body

[@pliskin101]

These videos are basically you saying: "Start paying attention, jojofans".

[@guildmasterri5995]

Especially anime only one who takes a joke so far and think everything which don't make sense to them is araki forgot

[@francescolombardi3438]

Jojo Fans: Omg why doesn't hamon come back?! Me, an intellectual: omg Why SHOULD hamon come back?

[@moralstrash]

@@francescolombardi3438 i mean...

[@playershiningmuffin3266]

@@francescolombardi3438 think part 9 is gonna be battle tendency all over again

[@francescolombardi3438]

@@playershiningmuffin3266but with a new SPIN on things

[@VileLasagna]

"But Jotaro said that was impossible!" I mean.... isn't every other stand something that was previously thought impossible?

[@hoanganphanle]

IMPOSSIBLE, NO ONE CAN JUST DEFLECT EMERALD SPLASH

[@El3.14J]

Hoàng Ân Phan Lê *laughs in Dio*

[@justsomerandomperson3391]

@@El3.14J HoW cAn yoU LaUgh iN SomEthIng iT DoEsnt mAke SEnsE

[@thelastmlg2699]

@@El3.14J how do you laugh in god?

[@francescolombardi3438]

The impossible can become possible just by- HA! YOU FELL FOR IT! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

"Araki forgot lolol" Hamon Beat: *angry KC face*

[@far0145]

YOU HAVE GENUINELY ANGERED ME

[@ceoofdinosaurs4276]

There is one question I have but maybe it was different in the manga or something how did a harvest survive after shigechi died

[@JoaoLucasK]

That last Harvest was trying to survive long enough to give the button to Josuke, before giving up and dying

[@JoaoLucasK]

@@far0145 It's like Abbacchio getting killed by Diavolo, but his Stand surviving long enough to smash its own face onto the rock to form Diavolo's face

[@chrisesponel1334]

@@ceoofdinosaurs4276 oh fuck. I didn't even think about that, I just kind of accepted it. I mean... Notorious B.I.G survived after his user died simply because of the user's undying hatred, not because of B.I.G.'s ability. Maybe it's just Shigechis resolve allowing him to hold on a little longer

[@Jacob-df5hr]

I didn't realize Golden Wind was disliked, I think it's excellent, probably the best. The antagonist is interesting and compelling, Doppio is a fantastic character, JoJo works well as a mystery serial and that's as true here as in Diamond is Unbreakable, and I really enjoyed Giorno: he has the levelheaded, analytical, calmness under pressure that Jotaro has, while being much more emotionally available and tender to his friends. Bucciarati is a titan of a supporting character and gets closer to snatching the protagonist role away from the titular character than any other, and he does this not by force but by simply being extremely likeable, competent, and noble. I also thought Golden Wind was great as a stand ability because it's not a brute force stand like SP, and this opens up a lot of moments for creativity in fights. Great part. I just wish Giorno would pop up again somewhere.

[@donttalktomeyoureannoying8736]

I love your statement. I love how Giorno is calm as well and Diavolo is my fav villain

[@waspywasp451]

Also, about the new Coco Jumbo, why do people think another copy of his Stand would be useful? It would only take space. If it was Iggy, then obviously that would come in handy, but it's a turtle with a room in it

[@francescolombardi3438]

and a fridge, but no bathroom. 0/10 on yelp

[@Dakotaidk]

Put a Pocket of Holding into another Pocket of Holding

[@inFERNo1976]

You can create an entire Coco Jumbo ecosystem that potentially would act as one giant house.

[@andrewchen6253]

You make a shit ton of Cocos and then hide them in even more Cocos.

[@matheustran8009]

It wouldn't take room, put all the cocojumbos in one cocojumbo

[@tradingforsouls]

Person: Araki forgot lol HB: Go ahead, join the gang Since yo ass actin like [The Fool]

[@binkbonkbones3402]

Do you me za furu?

[@dogheartbreak]

「ZA FURU」

[@wellifailed392]

You know what Araki actually forgot, Joseph spent 3 days trying to locate Dios building despite the fact that he could just create a map of the city and know exactly where it was

[@ronandoogan8977]

Star Platinum he needs to know what he’s looking for to do that.

[@cbchansey6866]

@@ronandoogan8977 dude he literally has a picture of the place

[@neroisntdead3681]

"Oh no, I can't tell if diavolo skipped time or not with this blood in my eyes"

[@Spectre.0001]

I think this was more to ensure a clean kill with no chance of resistance

[@bismarckimperia8781]

I mean its an effective method to make sure the target wont be able to react in a span of 2 seconds in which is enough for King Crimson to kill the target.

[@Hanyusha]

Your theory of "if Diavolo is fated to kill someone he will kill someone even if King Crimson erases Diavolo from fate for 10 seconds, since technically Narancia dying is the fate of Narancia" is supported by Rolling Stones, that literally show people, who are fated to die.

[@Doflaminguard]

Seeing you die predicted by epitaph just makes King Crimson get a surekill since he knows how.

[@benhawk4214]

That still doesn't really explain why when narancia died, why did Diavolo have to use king crimson? The events shown by epitaph are fated to happen regardless of whether or not diavolo skips time. You could say that he was shown to be in a bad position as well but that doesn't really fit with what we have seen epitaph do, it only really shows one person at a time

[@guidomista559]

@@benhawk4214 he skipped time so he can kill narancia without being discovered, since they out-number him and despite how broken his ability is he can only pick one person off at a time. And epitaph only shown one person because Rissotto was invisible.

[@simplyskrypt3914]

I wish the ending wouldve lasted just 1 minute longer, shortly showing us the results of giorno's ascention to the rank of boss, as well as his interactions with mista, trish, and hey, why not fugo too. Theres no reason to believe fugo wouldnt join giorno after learning of diavolo's death

[@nadie516]

There's purple haze feedback tho. Tells how passione started to change after giogio took the power and a redemption of fugo. Araki didn't write it, but worked in the production and states that depended on each fan if they wanted to consider it cannon. Looks like fans do, after all many want an ova of the book

[@mattizap2988]

@@nadie516 purple haze feedback isn't canon lol

[@guidomista559]

@@mattizap2988 well it's still a good read

[@mithril5155]

@@mattizap2988 Actually, it's kind of 2nd level canon, as Araki even drew for it. If you don't know, 2nd level canon is when something can be considered canon UNLESS the main source says otherwise.

[@hitbot9000]

@@mithril5155 doesn't sound canon to me boi

[@jty9631]

It seems as with anything that gets popular, the average intelligence of the community that surrounds it drops rapidly

[@PauloJrchannel]

-Popularity allows the normies to invade the fandom.-

[@ivoryas1696]

@@PauloJrchannel That is nature of popularity, afterall.

[@WednesdayMan]

the average intelligence surrounding it drops due to too many normies being there. as a result it's the new people dragging it down.

[@CeifeiroLoko]

Oh i'm so smart because I create the excuses to make the anime I watch a flawless masterpiece, oh

[@bandamani]

If you use the word normie still, you make yourself sound like the people who think you must have a high IQ to get Rick and Morty. You all sound like pretentious asswipes, stop it.

[@turtleduck5118]

Thank you. Every time I see someone say that Araki wrote Fugo out because he was too OP I die a little inside.

[@JoeJoe-fd1ms]

The wallet picture was a foreshadowing of the fanservice in the end.

[@binkbonkbones3402]

Wallet picture was fan service.

[@Christwoah]

Top ten anime betrayals: Polanareff and Jotaro not being Swole

[@matt8258]

Polnareff hasn’t been able to work out for a couple years though, also Jotaro was a nerd at that point

[@arminc4658]

If you think that's a betrayal wait till you see part 8 art style Jonathan

[@CoolManCoolMan123]

@@arminc4658 wait, that motherfucker is Jonathan? I thought he was a part 7/8 character and wondered why was he in the every jojo together drawing

[@Grim.Doctor]

@@arminc4658 That's not Jonathan ...right?

[@seelcudoom1]

also for trish: as we see with echos egg a non fully awakened stand can have a different appearance, its possible that spice girls half-awakened form did have a larger and more rough appearance, but by the time we see it fully has fully awakened and changed into the more humanoid form we are familiar with

[@elusorymonk1941]

There was never the implication of spice girl having a different appearence. If you're talking about the "claw" on the grass, DP interpreted the drawing as some kind of claw, but you can clearly see how it's just a normal print of a hand. fs.onlinemanga.xyz/files/full/omx10/2242/chapters/82574/1831190.jpg

[@colmlooney5843]

@@elusorymonk1941 pretty sure the second time those marks appear it is a scratch which do tend to come from claw marks. I think Hamon Beats explanation does have some loopholes but nothing is perfect.

[@snowboundwhale6860]

Another part to the dropped Fugo betrayal arc that's probably been mentioned before somewhere, it's probably worth noting some very specific similarities between the nature of Fugo's *[Purple Haze]* and Chocolotta's *[Green Day]* , particularly the part where both of their abilities are highly lethal, (virus/ mold) cloud AoE attacks that cannot be seen until they're already taking effect, and which turn the victims and their corpses into a carrier to spread their respective plagues further beyond their stand's own reach.