Debunking claims the ISS is underwater

[@DaveMcKeegan]

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[@Nila334-NO-MORE-GAYS]

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[@PCNigga]

Ground is liberal trash.

[@greenmii6000]

Swimming pool bubbles. Did you ever! Fret not. Alan Bean hit the Apollo 12 TV camera off the outside of the Spaceship and frozen ice particles started floating about that got inside. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4OTaKutnrirf5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/roW9Y6xoeZ2DkLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWLQdImiqqqHiq8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHrZdmpmmJygra8

[@Gameknight2169]

The society we live in, where we really have to ask if the ISS is underwater... You can literally see it in the sky at the right time.

[@Linkfan001]

And it is always tracked and correct down to the second. It is so insanely precise you would think if it was faked, someone would have noticed since these are the same stooges who can't remember a wire or a lighting issue, but no...

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

@@Linkfan001 So you mean the ISS is just a giant clock aliens mounted on the dome? :P

[@givmi_more_w9251]

But ... but ... maybe we are underwater, and air is fake!!! /irony

[@Linkfan001]

@@rudolfquerstein6710 nice try NASA plant! But accepting your theory means there is something beyond the dome, which there is not. Obviously! /jk

[@DaveMcKeegan]

The flat Earthers argument is that the ISS in the sky isn't an actual space station with humans on It's a prop that flies above us and all the video footage of humans are faked on Earth ... For some reason 🤔

[@More-Space-In-Ear]

For heaven's sake, don't mention submarines. Those vessels are filmed in space with a blue screen showing deep water. Everyone knows you can't dive deeper than the flat earth's swimming pools!

[@SloverOfTeuth]

Indeed. Just think about it. Water finds its own level. That's why the top of the ocean is flat, which is why the bottom of the atmosphere is flat. By the same argument, the bottom of the ocean must be flat. Although maybe it slopes down a bit towards the plug hole ...

[@ezflex]

Agreed

[@ythegamerita]

​@@SloverOfTeuthalso towards the entrance of the flat hollow earth

[@blakksheep736]

I love that apparently to fake space travel, they went underwater, so naturally, to fake underwater travel... they went to space... 😆

[@reanukeevesau]

​@@blakksheep736of course! It's the only way it works!

[@fredoverflow]

14:51 "Okay guys, brainstorming time! How do we hide our advanced underwater breathing technology from the public?" "...invent fake space travel...?" "Let's do it!"

[@lewiskellett5654]

I still understand the whole point of faking space, 'we need to hide the truth that earth is flat' ok why? Why not just tell everyone, NASA has existed for decades employing thousands of people directly and thousands more indirectly. It's not like a few people are running away with the money because they need it to hide space that isn't real, pay peoples salaries and make CGI not to mention NASA has changed it leadership multiple times

[@SloverOfTeuth]

I'm glad you've seen this ...

[@mr.boomguy]

I thought of something similar. Why would Nasa conduct simulated drills like it was a long lasting tv series. That requires a TON of brainstorming. Like, what experiments to send "up" next, if you get what I mean.

[@ashzole]

“let’s also hair spray the girls hair straight up” “yeah that will give it the free floating effect!” “just make sure the girls don’t do flips cause their hair will stay in place” “oops too late we have to edit that part out!”

[@Novawulf]

Not a shocker that Pokie didn't apologize ... Rule#1: Never admit you are wrong, just move the goalposts.

[@TriggeredLimey]

Pokie is your typical dishonest Flerf. I haven't heard from him since I agreed to a debate, that I'm sure he expected me to run from. 🤣

[@hippopotamus86]

Flat earthers for you. They change their arguments frequently and ignore all logic and reason.

[@mooneyes2k478]

Or flatly(yes, that was deliberate) deny it ever happened.

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

If "Moving Goalposts" would be an olympic discipline flat earthers would run away with it... and their goalposts.

[@gowdsake7103]

As dishonest as every other flattard

[@DocFear]

It's crazy the lenghts flat earthers and space deniers will go to delude themselves into believing they are the smartest people on the planet.

[@h.a.9880]

The mental gymnastics is off the charts. They claim that their model is the simpler (and thus better) one, yet they lack a unified model and everything they have is a convoluted mess with massive leaps of faith, entirely unreasonable assumptions or ass-backwards logic applied into a dozen or so different explanations for stuff that is very easily and mundanely explained, when you just assume that earth is round and floating through space.

[@entangledmindcells9359]

ah yes that special group that thinks they are smarter and more logical than all the scientist, professionals, & engineers around the world for the the last 50 years but somehow can not cite one major achievement this same group has ever made .

[@swedneck]

just imagine what they could achieve if they just followed basic scientific principle and applied it so some niche field like.. andean linguistics

[@robertt9342]

A guy in the comments has failed at math with the nasa budget. Thinking that 700 billion divided by 8 billion is 85 million... just wow

[@Hans_P_G]

Conspiracy theories make stupid people feel smart.

[@godslaughter]

As someone with underwater photography experience, I freaking WISH we could get such lighting underwater lol. Filming these allegedly "fake" ISS footage clips would be impossible to do in such a manner underwater, just like you explained, but I can also confirm from personal experience. The way the water affects the light and colours is exactly the reason why I main macrophotography instead. Seriously, these deniers are ridiculous

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

Doing real underwater photography compared to a lab environment are quite different things you know?

[@paulslund1]

Are you suggesting the effects water has on light refraction are different in the ocean than in a pool?

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@paulslund1 I'm "suggesting" that it is easier to make a scene in a pool than in the depths of the ocean. Was that so hard to understand?

[@paulslund1]

@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting Because it "sounds" like you are suggesting that the ISS could still be faked using underwater settings even though you just watched a video demonstrating how that would be impossible..

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@paulslund1 Regardless of it being fake or not it is still easier to film a scene in a tank than in the depths of the ocean when it comes to controlling certain variables such as lighting etc which is what the OP alluded to. ref: wishing he had that type of lighting.

[@ChunkySteveo]

You missed one extra that can't be debunked... the refraction of light between the helmet glass and the water/space. In water, the light is refracted to make the astronaut's face look smaller - in space, the refraction to the vacuum is much less, so the face looks 'normal'. You can't get around the 'tiny face' seen in water training. 😅

[@mjjoe76]

Good point, and definitely underrated.

[@drshoe8744]

"Ummmmmmm, that's because it's a Projection or whatever." *Typical Flearther

[@The_Absolute_Dog]

Photoshop obviously.

[@Kualinar]

In fact, in space, the faces look a tiny winy bit larger than when we see them inside the pressurized part of the ISS with their helmet still closed.

[@nomenclature9373]

Flerfer: no, no, no, special lens that bends light so person looks normal in so called space.

[@KentheDeer]

It amazes me that anyone can sit and watch someone throughly explain how something is legitimately real and impossible to fake, and they’ll still cry about it! Nicely job, Dave (and Rusty!). Always fantastic to see you tear down the flerfs’ false perceptions.

[@xxOnigiri99]

It's possible for those people to listen to an explanation and ignore it because they aren't interested in learning the actual truth. They are only interested in thinking about themselves as smarter and more important than others Believing in flat earth is common among religious people because they arrive at their conclusions through barely any evidence but a lot of faith

[@wumpusrat]

Honestly, I think about 90% of flat earthers are just trolls who are doing it to try and get clicks and notoriety. "Any attention is good attention", in their minds. The other 10% are just idiots who have bought into it and are dumb enough to believe the crap.

[@2RatsInATrenchCoat]

This'll happen with any side you're strongly opposed to, just as flat earthers might disbelieve anything you say to them, you probably wouldn't give any of their beliefs a serious chance. It's just how we naturally work Edit: idk if I worded this in a rude manner, sorry if I did

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@2RatsInATrenchCoat "just as flat earthers might disbelieve anything you say to them, you probably wouldn't give any of their beliefs a serious chance. It's just how we naturally work" Except that we can back up our standpoint with facts, science, evidence and they have nothing but ignorance (in the technical sense) and incredulity. They can't even produce a map of something they claim exists.

[@acceptablecasualty5319]

​@@2RatsInATrenchCoatI understand what you mean, but to some degree, humoring the claims made by flerfers and applying rigorous testing according to the scientific method is still respectful. They just don't see it as that because they think science are tiny goblins that make you right if you think really hard.

[@jimnora1705]

The ISS is not in a pool, it's actually offshore. I hooked it once while fishing. Spent hours reeling it up. NASA was pissed.

[@Console.Log01]

did you take a photo of it for facebook before you had to release it though?

[@jimnora1705]

@@Console.Log01 yes, but the reptilian overlords removed it before anyone else got to see. They also deleted the photo from my gallery with thier super advanced technology.

[@gdplayer19]

This kind of satire is the reason I love Dave's comments section. Comedy gold.

[@nickjohnson410]

I bet most people making claims about where and how the ISS is faked and filmed have never worked on a film production before. It would take hundreds of people to pull this off. Prop makers, catering, production assistants, costuming, continuity control, camera department, grip department, consulting experts, and the list goes on. The more people involved the less integrity the operation has. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying it would be insane to keep this a secret going for 20 plus years. Also, The soft hatch, if under water, would simply cave in over the airlock because water has mass, and therefore, apparent weight in earth's gravitational field. I really don't know what else needs to be said about that.

[@robadams1645]

They believe that NASA has an unlimited budget. When in fact it's quite small considering how big the organization is and how much it does.

[@gowdsake7103]

more importantly the time that they take to do anything? It is the most mind numbing long winded and tedious slow process

[@lewiskellett5654]

True, is it really a conspiracy if everyone but you is in on the conspiracy?

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"to keep this a secret going for 20 plus years." Bear in mind that space exploration started in 1946. Our first photograph showing the Earth's curvature dates from 1947 when an ex-Nazi V2 rocket was launched from the USA with a camera on board. The "faking" has been going on a lot longer than 20 years and long before computers could do any graphics at all, let alone convincing ones.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@robadams1645 "They believe that NASA has an unlimited budget." What makes me laugh is its always NASA. Flerfers forget completely about the French, EU, Japanese, Russian and Chinese space programmes as well as private space launches. Flerfers only ever mention NASA like they think that's the only space programme in the world. Only Yankee trailer trash would think like that. Sorry, when I say "think" I mean "say those things" I'm long past the time I was convinced that these loonies don't think at all.

[@mjjoe76]

Local government public meetings in the US can be unbelievably unhinged. Not just at the county level, but municipal government and school boards too.

[@davidbowman2001]

Parks and Recreation definitely undersells it if anything.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"Local government public meetings in the US can be unbelievably unhinged. " The tragedy is when senior lawmakers are so obviously unhinged like MTG. Its a very sad indictment of the pathetic state of modern politics.

[@mjjoe76]

@@ShizukuSeiji Agreed

[@blakksheep736]

​@@ShizukuSeijilike a sliding glass door.

[@jbard9892]

@@ShizukuSeiji Yeah, I was gonna say. With all the crap about wokeness, CRT, cultural marxism, the global warming hoax, jewish space lasers, hunter biden's laptop, and hillary's email's, would anyone even notice if a member of congress took the floor to demand an investigation into NASA?

[@squareballoons289]

Thank you Dave for what you do. My husband recently came face to face with a real life flat earther and her posse of conspiracy theory nuts. Thanks to your videos I was prepared and able to easily set his mind at ease. Thank you for your patience and thorough answers.

[@gulfy09]

Your totally brainwashed

[@mleise8292]

Are you implying he was about to give the conspiracy a try and "do his own research"? Glad to hear it didn't get to that! Look at Kandiss Taylor, who not only lost her husband and 15 yo daughter to flat earth, but the two got so mad with her "not seeing it" that she's considering they had a revelation of sorts and contemplates joining the cult, already thinking globes are NASA propaganda. In my family my father is a little bit conspiracy prone (Bill Gates direction) and my mother's brother (Moon landing hoax). As a teenager I almost fell for the latter myself, because someone photoshopped an image and uploaded it to the internet. Back then I didn't know enough about people's motivations and couldn't find a reason why random person on the internet would upload manipulated images. There's nothing at stake for them after all. Only later I understood what a troll is or what forms grifting can take and that some people follow cult leaders and spread their word without giving it much thought. It's also hard to fool someone who is as knowledgeable as Dave. Good science education (some call it 'indoctrination' :D) is the best immunization against conspiracies.

[@squareballoons289]

@@Bigbubba3031 yes

[@The_Sacrificial_Lamb]

​@@Bigbubba3031yes

[@AHHHHHHHH21]

​@@Bigbubba3031it's ok, you won't be lonely forever

[@mmattson8947]

I remember a Mythbusters episode where they focused on NASA conspiracy theories. For the Moonwalks (1/6 G), they actually tried to recreate it with wire harnesses and underwater footage. As expected, while they could fake a few details of the original footage, they couldn't get all of the details to match, and there were idiosyncrasies in the recreation that gave away when water or wires were used.

[@awatt]

Speed closeup video of the lunar buggy. Don't tell flerfs 🤫

[@gulfy09]

​@@awatthow did they manage to bring up that buggy any footage of them unloading it any video of the construction....it's a big show

[@awatt]

@@gulfy09 I have no idea what you are saying. Try again

[@grahvis]

@@gulfy09 . There are plenty of photos of the buggy being folded and packed on the lunar lander while on Earth, all you have to do is get off your arse and look.

[@gulfy09]

@@grahvis show us

[@patrickdix772]

I'd love to see a flerf show a "soft hatch" underwater actually behave like the clips. But of course they cant, since neither a hard or soft material would work that way in water.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

Nor are they even remotely interested in doing any experiments because: 1) it would require effort 2) It would disprove their BS at once, and they know it

[@batman3698]

@@ShizukuSeiji and 3) the results would be instantly discarded, or interpreted in some very strange, cherry picky way to keep validating the flat earth theory.

[@h3069]

@@ShizukuSeiji proving themselves wrong doesn't mean they are wrong, it means their experiment is wrong, thats how they operate

[@DanDaFreakinMan]

Why would one want a soft hatch underwater anyway? In space that would make sense, but underwater??

[@patrickdix772]

@@DanDaFreakinMan Except a soft hatch makes absolutely no sense in space or underwater. Pressure differentials are huge and dangerous when your lives depend on the hatch keeping the air where you want it. The ISS keeps to the roughly normal (depending on elevation) 14.7 psi air pressure. I can't find the exact diameter of the solid hatch (not actually seen in the clip the "soft hatch"), but lets assume about 3.5 feet in diameter for the hole (obviously it's larger to seal, but the overlap doesn't matter for this). That gives the hatch a surface area exposed to vacuum of about 1385 square inches. At 14.7 psi, you have the equivalent of 20356 pounds (9233 kg) on the hatch. I doubt there's any material that you'd be able to see flex with a human moving it that you'd also trust with that amount of pressure on it. As for a soft hatch underwater, you're looking at about 34 feet down to reach 14.7 psi, though that's not taking into account the internal pressure of the submarine (or whatever), which does affect the calculations, space being a vacuum makes that part simple.

[@FlatEarthMath]

Great breakdown, Dave! 🙂A while back I did a deep dive (pun intended) into the mythical "Space Bubbles." *Characteristics of “Space Bubbles:”* 1. They move in straight-line trajectories, with no turbulence. 2. They move in different directions from each other. 3. They can have dramatically different velocities from each other, independent of size. 4. Some slow-moving ones can be seen to flash with a regular rhythm. 5. They travel alone. *Characteristics of Scuba Bubbles:* 1. They move upwards in the same direction, but with turbulent trajectories. 2. Small bubbles all have pretty much the same velocity, but it is dependent on bubble size (see Stokes’ Law, Newtonian viscosity). 3. They have a morphing shape as they ascend, and larger bubbles will break apart (especially as they get larger as they ascend to lower pressures). 4. They travel in packs.

[@breeze_j]

Please don’t take this in any other way than me being curious, but are you a Flat Earther? Only asking because of your channel name.

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

@@FlatEarthMath Just curious. Have you actually succeeded in getting any flerfs to to think?

[@abcedex2323]

I'm a globe earther, but few years ago there a video on you tube (i can't find it anymore) where those bubbles were changing direction like the air bubbles going through water and that was video made in space

[@greenmii6000]

Swimming pool bubbles. Did you ever! Fret not. Alan Bean hit the Apollo 12 TV camera off the outside of the Spaceship and frozen ice particles started floating about that got inside. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4OTaKutnrirf5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/roW9Y6xoeZ2DkLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWLQdImiqqqHiq8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHrZdmpmmJygra8

[@SloverOfTeuth]

​@@abcedex2323 There was also a video on KZbin which showed a photo of the flat earth and the dome, but I can't find it now either.

[@c.augustin]

Your attention to detail alone is why I watch and enjoy your videos! You manage to put your experience as a professional photographer to new uses and make as amateurs aware of what goes into a good shoot (imagine trying to do an "underwater" scene without being under water - it would be equally hard than faking a spacewalk scene in water).

[@dco8562]

Apparently you haven't seen the the footage James Cameron made of the titanic wreck using models... "Alongside the real footage". Yes they can fake underwater footage. And vice versa....

[@dogsdinner99]

I really wish these people would actually learn about visual effects, and even with all the modern tools and technology how hard it is to do. Just a few views of some of the Corridor Crew videos would show how difficult techniques like rotoscoping are, and its almost certainly not done in real time. I would love them to show a video of someone removing bubbles from a scene in real time now, let alone in the pre-2000's when the ISS was being built

[@ezrarichardson279]

Yeah totally. I’ve been saying this since last year. They have no clue lol

[@mooneyes2k478]

In re visual special effects: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ3ShneJachmedU

[@The_Absolute_Dog]

No but nasa military lizard people nyerrrrr!

[@nomenclature9373]

Objects heavier than water sink. In space they float away. Flerfs: NASA changed the camera angle to make it look that it is moving sideways.

[@mooneyes2k478]

@@nomenclature9373 Nonono. NASA changed GRAVITY! And buoyancy! Which begs the question, if they can do THAT....

[@Kastrius]

Dave I would also point out that the astronauts suits are instantly dry, with any water dripping down, even in a pressurized underwater capsule gravity would pull any remaining water down.

[@davidbroman8391]

Well done Dave. Totally destroyed Leo. I don’t care what he wants to be called. He is still wrong.

[@GummieI]

Not to mention he litterally mention "Flat Earth" himself at the post shown on screen at 9:11 . At that point it doesn't even matter whether the earth is flat or not, he believe it is, thus he is a flat-earther

[@Tsudico]

@@GummieI Yup, the only thing LEO seems to demonstrably and realistically show is that he spouts BS but can't take the critique.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@Tsudico Its like he knows that being a flerfer means he is stupid so makes up a different title for himself.

[@Tsudico]

@@ShizukuSeiji Notice how the title has absolutely no bearing on the shape of the earth. I can demonstrably show in reality that X degrees per Y distance are impossible across a flat surface, so he's given himself an "out" if he ever changes his mind (although that is difficult for conspiracy minded folks).

[@acidicfate]

The most hilarious thing about it; why would NASA put all this effort and money into faking it..... just to forget to edit out a bubble lmao

[@officerdonut7066]

Because you won't believe it

[@unusedTV]

I love how you approach these questions from two perspectives: 1) why what we see is what you'd expect with the real IIS, *and* 2) why what they propose (e.g. underwater) doesn't fit with what we see. Honestly I can't believe we're even debating topics like this, but it provides good entertainment and fun thought experiments.

[@WolfLykaios]

As someone who grew up and lived in Brevard County, FL, my entire life until a few years ago, he is by-far NOT the most weird or insane person we have there. In fact, as far as crazies go he is pretty chill. And, he is more eloquent then many, many people in this godforsaken county.

[@johnsmith-7oo]

One of my favourite ever TV cop show clips was of the arrest of a Florida "gentleman" for trying to run down a neighbour with his truck. Amongst his pocket search was a pair of panties and a reusable condom. His explanation was that he couldn't leave them at home in case his wife found them. The caption writer for the show at one point also gave up the attempt to clarify what the guy was saying simply captioning, "Unintelligible". FL may be godfprsaken but it is surely hilarious.

[@BenRHarsh]

Another point on the blue shift in water is that it will vary depending on distance from the light source to the subject to the camera as the light is being filtered out throughout that distance. Objects with a longer distance here will appear more filtered and it will be impossible to correct the color of every object to it's original colors independently.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

It's not "blue shift". Longer wavelengths are absorbed by water before shorter ones. The red end of the visible spectrum begins to disappear first. Dive to 30 meters and red looks black! Yellow disappears next until finally only blue is left before all surface light is gone.

[@jpdemer5]

@@rickkwitkoski1976 There is a "shift" in the illuminating spectrum - that's what was being referred to.

[@RafaelBenedicto]

​@@jpdemer5There's no such thing as a "shift in the illuminating spectrum". You just pulled that out of your ass. A "shift" means the colors we see are offset up or down the spectrum (i.e. green objects appear blue or red) There's no "shifting" going on here. Red light is simply being absorbed more by the water. And at longer distances only blue light remains and red objects appear black.

[@Stuff_And_Things]

So...People who can easily track its movement in space and even see it with the naked eye from time to time, think its underwater? Do they think WE are underwater?

[@entangledmindcells9359]

if you are willing to go deep enough into their rabbit hole ..

[@nomenclature9373]

Flerf excuses include hologram and movie prop. They have yet to say what propels the prop at vast speed across the sky compared to airplane, which they might eventually get around to say the standby goody of excuses…. alien technology.

[@mglenadel]

"Oh, no. The thing we see in the sky is a balloon. The ISS they shoot footage in is underwater, as is the fake 'training simulation' swimming pool they use to make it seem like they couldn't shoot the spacewalks underwater. They even dye the water blue to make it seem like water is blue, while it isn't. Fill a glass with water. Look at it. No blue color, no curvature."🤪

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"People who can easily track its movement in space" Flerf logic is so utterly broken that they now admit the ISS exists in space and we put it there but deny people are on it. If a man-made/launched space station is in low Earth orbit then what about the firmament/dome you f***tards? Yes, this is where we are now with flerf logic.

[@gulfy09]

Take a close up shot

[@marko1395]

It's impressive how you keep coming up with points I've never heard before and make them easy to understand. Excellent video once again!

[@GretgorPooper]

"How's that debunking working out now that they are officially being investigated by the senate" has got to be the most idiotic thing I've ever read in my life. Do these people have any idea how unfathomably idiotic the average politician is? They'd investigate a geyser if they thought it dispensed Mountain Dew.

[@davidbowman2001]

Watching any congressional inquiries involving technology or the internet is truly awe inspiring, the sheer confidence and arrogance while lacking any basic knowledge. I kind of envy it!

[@defenestrated23]

brawndo the thirst mutilator, it has electrolytes, it's what plants crave!

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@davidbowman2001 "Watching any congressional inquiries involving technology or the internet is truly awe inspiring, the sheer confidence and arrogance while lacking any basic knowledge. I kind of envy it!" Politicians should never sit on boards of investigation. Just appoint a panel of experts and let them talk sense.

[@grahvis]

You mean like Louie Gohmert asking if the Moon's orbit could be altered to help with climate change.

[@Twinrehz]

LEO calling himself a realist when he doesn’t have a clue how physics works is hilarious

[@gowdsake7103]

Or pretty much everything else

[@cronos42]

I *so* admire your patience, Dave. Cool and collected, delivering blow after blow without any putdowns or sarcasm. Stylish. Nice!

[@robertbeveridge]

My friend was so convinced of flat earth, he said he was going to Antartica to find the edge. He came around eventually

[@dunningkruger-o1x]

"going to Antartica to find the edge." Flat Earthers dont CLAIM an edge. The irony is Ballers see an edge that boats and ships apparently fall over - well -- ballers saw that until Jan 2020 when they had to fall back to defend the impossible #black #swan -- oh man, the irony when you see a puffed up baller spout inspired with the confidence of DK aftershave. 🤣🤣

[@Jan_Strzelecki]

@@dunningkruger-o1x _Flat Earthers dont CLAIM an edge._ Okay then, so what do they claim? What is stopping water from moving away?

[@dunningkruger-o1x]

@@Jan_Strzelecki No idea - btw, "no idea" doesnt mean you have an actual pink unicorn in your garage - or - mean any other shit you ballers pull out your collective arses is actually valid.

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

@@dunningkruger-o1x Really! The "Black Swan"? The single most debunked "Proof" that was ever put forward as any sort of evidence by flat earthers. And what is it, exactly, that flerfs do CLAIM. All we ever get in response to *any* question that requires a definitive answer is "We don't know".

[@marcogentile3392]

@@dunningkruger-o1x Thank you for proving flat earthers are apparently even dumber than they already are since now we have the problem of how oceans even exist...

[@The_Beer_Hunter]

LEO is a special kind of person. A demonstrable realist who refuses to look at any evidence with an open mind because it doesn't suit his narrative. Keep up the good work Dave and hopefully one day LEO's brain will melt, not that that would take a lot.

[@TheDigger06]

Special alright,special needs

[@UV-NIR-Thermal]

Man, I have that same scope you have in the background, (127?) I've seen the ISS with my own eyes. I find FE's entertaining, but after a bit they just make my head hurt🤣

[@gowdsake7103]

if i ever get good sky will try with my 250 dob

[@gulfy09]

How did you see the people on board if anyone is in there as far as I can see it's just a big balloon..iss was built by many different countries yet no video or pictures.. wake up

[@mikedrop4421]

Don't be silly, the ISS is in the middle of Mississippi. Twice.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"in the middle of Mississippi" One is in the middle, the other is more to the west.

[@SloverOfTeuth]

Twice twice?

[@JPkerVideo]

I nearly woke up the house when I got it....

[@SloverOfTeuth]

@@JPkerVideo I only just got it now ... 🤣.

[@StringBeanWilly]

Bro it took me a minute😂

[@Madeyes6]

I’m a diver. And in the past I’ve also taken a lot of photos underwater. One thing you notice is that the underwater world appears different to the surface. There is what I can only describe as a matte finish underwater. Peoples faces especially look matte but everything else has a similar appearance. Also even after a 2 hour dive you still have small bubbles attached to you which are visible and often detach. I would guess not one ISS denier is also a diver of any experience. Possibly because diving takes a level of intelligence.

[@maxsignori316]

Another point: underwater the heads in the helmet look much smaller than they are, but they look absolutely normal during EVAs

[@CZpersi]

I am actually going to argue that building such a structure deep underwater would be possibly even more difficult than launching it to space.

[@ThatOneStopSign]

Correct

[@No_True_Scotsman]

What's your reasoning? I'm not a flat earther but this doesn't sound right

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

nice video with good explanations and examples of how this cannot be under water. There is only 1 thing I wish you had mentioned. Refraction and the astronauts helmets. If they were indeed underwater then refraction would be making their heads look super tiny inside the helmets. Can compare to shots of astronauts on spacewalks and see their heads are normal size without having to worry about refraction from being underwater. I think Sly Sparkane did a video showing this many years ago.

[@icansciencethat]

You missed a big one. Water has a strong index of refraction. Look at the astronauts' faces in the underwater footage. They have shrunken heads underwater but not so in the EVAs.

[@icansciencethat]

Here's a link: macgillivrayfreeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/01_Astronaut.jpg Not sure if YT will allow it.

[@icansciencethat]

And here's an EVA: news.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Smile-wave_CLB_down_post_V.jpg How'd they unshrink her face like that? Could it be... Ceee Geee Eye

[@nunya_bizniz]

Good point I never thought of that.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

Debunking Flerfs, argument by argument 👍🏻

[@ExploreGamesAndMore]

I'd heard of flat earthers, but I didn't know there are people who believe space doesn't exist, or that the ISS is underwater. I'm starting to think that some people fall down some sort of rabbit hole, where logic and reason go away completely, to the point where the more ridiculous the claim, the more plausible it seems to the person.

[@gowdsake7103]

Honestly there are far worse

[@Chalo122790]

Well flat eathers are all space deniers as the current age as space travel debunks the flat earth

[@doncsicso81]

I simply love your videos Dave! Absolutely brilliant! And the best part is, you`re so to the point they cannot refute anything, instead they just do their usual rants and nonsense :D Keep it up mate!

[@h.a.9880]

I've watched a bunch of flatearth debunking content on YT and I have to say, Dave *is* the best. There are many funny channels, like _Prof. Dave explains,_ but those oftentimes end up ridiculing or outright insulting Flerfers and Dave's good-natured and matter-of-fact-ly way of handling things is much more pleasant. It's also amazing that he has a lot of insight into camera stuff, giving him a great angle to debunk a lot of stuff - not just from a point of view centered in physics (that a lot of people might not fully understand), but also giving us real-life examples based on his knowledge of how cameras work.

[@doncsicso81]

@@h.a.9880 totally agree with you!

[@hectormuzquiz5277]

Correct!!, without insulting or denigrating!?

[@kevinwebster7868]

It amazes me that NASA supposedly has this amazing special effects tech but Hollywood refuses to touch it.

[@studentjohn]

( _warning_ _:_ _Longish_ _post_ ) I have a relative who lives about 150km away from me, and with their help I did a really simple triangulation of the ISS's altitude (as well as a bunch of other satellites, including Terra, Lacrosse 5 and ALOS-2). We actually did the mathematical working out on the basis that the surface between us was flat, since the Earth's curvature is only about 1 degree over that distance. You could even do it, roughly, by scale drawing. We got an altitude for the ISS of 390 km, and a groundspeed of 6 km/ sec. We got similar altitudes and grounds speeds for all the other satellites we did this with. That's far higher, and far faster, than any normal aircraft or balloon - and this kind of measurement isn't that hard to do. I've also been able to track the signals produced by several with a radio kit that cost me about £30. To boot, there are plenty of natural objects staying up in the sky that are, by any method of measurement, far far higher than the altitude of any aircraft - so there's no reason for incredulity that such a thing could be. So, even for a flat-earther who has openly bought into it on the basis of something other than following evidence, like religious belief, there's no room for the outright denial that satellites, in general, are machines up there and doing the things claimed. Yet, time and again, this is exactly what they do, meeting objections like mine with attempts at social-tactic dismissal, accusations of fakery (so... don't believe me, just do the experiment yourself folks), or just silence. To my mind they (those who do react this way, as no group of people are all identical) act in a way that suggests this is more an emotion-driven kickback against the modern view of the world, and - perhaps - the place they (and all people) hold within it.

[@SloverOfTeuth]

It sounds like your relative is working for NASA. Maybe you too ...

[@studentjohn]

@@SloverOfTeuth That's exactly the kind of 'social trickery' response I'm talking about. I'm not asking anyone to accept my word - I'm a stranger to everyone here. Please, by all means, do the measurements yourself - plenty of sources will tell you how, I'm happy to recommend some if you ask -There are _so_ many other satellite spotters who have done the exact same thing and got the exact same result. But, please, don't instead point to a youtube video made by another stranger, in this age of near universal photo and video editing software .

[@SloverOfTeuth]

@@studentjohn It's OK, I'm on the NASA payroll too, we're both on the same side. Just parodying the flerfer defence. Hams were doing "moonbounce" about 45 years ago, giving the distance to the moon from propagation delays. As it happens I was just looking at comments on a photo of one of Titan's end caps coming up, and someone had commented that it looked like they'd just taken a new spare and lifted that out of the water. Conspiracy theories are designed so that they can never be proven wrong, and I think that "demonstrable realism" ties into that - it's just saying you feel free to deny anything you haven't seen yourself, and no argument can overcome that, that's the whole point of it. If you took the guy up in a rocket to the ISS, he'd say the view is just a projection on the windows, "proved" by the fact you wouldn't let him outside. And if you put him in a suit to do an EVA, he'd say it was just VR projected on goggles, because you wouldn't let him out of the suit. The question to ask the guy is "What thing could I do - which is safe and feasible under the laws of physics - that would convince you to change your mind?". If he can't answer that, he has an untestable theory, and those are ten-a-penny.

[@studentjohn]

@@SloverOfTeuth I kinda had a hunch, butit's hard to know on comments :) For so many things the investment in time energy and resources to actually try and see yourself is within a normal person's reach. For many more it'd be within the reach of a group of ordinary folks. So the argument 'I haven't seen it myself, therefore I can refuse to believe it' can, usually, get the reply 'Here's how you see it yourself, please, go have a look'. And not only can they do it, anyone else reading can - so the chance of successful deception at that point is very small. If they flat out refuse to - for me the conversation stops there: they've outed themselves as making a deliberate choice not to believe. If they can put it like that - I respect their choice at least. If they can't - I can only hope it's clear enough for anyone else reading that that's what they're doing.

[@studentjohn]

@@SloverOfTeuth I think pragmatism and a desire to actually produce models of the world that can help someone is what limits how far the 'it could be another layer of deception' thing can get pushed. At some point you're justified in saying 'if it acts, sounds, smells and DNA tests that much like a duck, we're justified in treating it like a duck, and just acknowledging that a teeny lacuna of doubt will always remain'. If the 'spherical model' is proving itself to be very useful - then frankly the debate can stop there. Sooner or later you have to actually do things with the models you build, at which point the world itself becomes a very good filter for those that aren't useful.

[@alwaysmaggot11]

Wow he actually titled the video "sweet and sour propaganda." What a classy guy lol.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

Stylish... for a racist.

[@mustafahasan957]

What a nice feeling seeing your video after 50 seconds from posting it..😅 You're doing great by debunking their arguments without leaving anything for them .

[@smoothiefries]

There’s a girl who constantly tells me the ISS is fake and I’m like “bruh I saw it with my own eyes AND in binoculars that shit ain’t fake” and she go “…but what if it is??”😂

[@stiimuli]

Always a pleasure seeing a new video from you Dave. Now if only the conspiracy theorists attempting to engage with you could match your friendly, rational attitude. (pokie seemed nice though)

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"(pokie seemed nice though)" Nice...but dishonest.

[@mojomusica]

Not "nice", another liar like every flerf ever. Remember: 🤡#GottaLieToFlerf ©2023 MCToon 🤡

[@martinbaxter4783]

I’ve just realized... I always thought that you, Dave, were soothing Rusty for having to endure such Clownitude. In reality... *he* is the one doing the soothing. Excellent Doggo! ❤️❤️❤️❤️🦴🦴🦴🦴 And I thank you, for your service to Science and Sanity. (There’ll be a little extra in your NASA Shill account this week. 😉)

[@lemagicbaguette1917]

Dude, you’re gonna give it away!

[@ShizukuSeiji]

After watching one of Dave's videos I cuddle my cat. I suspect she has the same soothing effect on my fried brain.

[@Polon1um_210]

Brain cell-death stopping doggo

[@ephemarius]

I love watching your content, Dave. You are always knowledgeable about what you cover. You always explain things very clearly. And you are also always really 'relax and chill'. Also, I would like to know how a DSLR camera can stay underwater constantly, and still work 'on demand' like it is being used. How do people claim that it is underwater?

[@absen-7965]

I'm honestly worried about the flat earth topics being brought up in government meetings and politicians entertaining them. People wonder why I rail on flat earth people so much. Stupidity spreads like a disease. The conspiracy hill is slippery as hell.

[@DK70707]

Especially in this age where people only read headlines and don’t do any critical thinking or a 10 second google search.

[@dsolosan]

If simulating zero g is so easy, I'd like to see some flat earthers recreate the effects in their garages and swimming pools. That could be hilarious.

[@ssrattus]

Thanks Dave and Rusty, very clear and concise debunking as usual.

[@dylandreisbach1986]

Not only do we know these people have never been to space, but now we know they have never been underwater. Moving underwater is so much effort and astronauts move things around effortlessly and frictionlessly. Don’t know if that last word is a real word.

[@easetheweeb]

i think without resistance is better

[@ChaosPootato]

I feel like your dog is a good metaphor for flat earthers(poor pup doesn't deserve such a comparison but hear me out)... He's sitting there, not doing anything, not listening to anything you say because he doesn't understand shit. And occasionally, he'll try to to get your attention for some dopamine. It's not a perfect metaphor, at least the dog is cute and fluffy but still

[@Mr_Rouge]

That hefty camera velcroed to the wall is a very good point ! 😄 I'd love to see what demonstrable earth realistic observer would have to say about that...

[@DVDplayerz]

It's a nice spot, but Devil's advocate: What I expect they would say is "Strong magnets". no matter how tiny of a thing it is, it must be pre planned and faked in their mind. Basically, anything that proves them wrong is scripted.

[@thefilmeffect6089]

This gives them a purpose. They don’t actually want evidence. It’s all around them if they really wanted to know the truth.

[@May-or-May-not]

To be honest, at this point it would be easier to completely 100% CGI anything space related than trying to film it under water and then removing how the water interacts with everything.

[@danij5055]

Videos like this make me love and appreciate space and human achievements even more! Thank you so much for making these very informative videos!

[@vampsith]

I’m embarrassed to live in Brevard county. Although being able to watch a launch from the beach is pretty awesome

[@misanthropos6211]

I think flat earthers and space deniers just think water is invisible. I was going to say more on this but then I just felt a great weight of exasperation that this is a topic of debate at all.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"I just felt a great weight of exasperation that this is a topic of debate at all" Given that this is 2023 and not 1423 it is indeed a very sad state of affairs. My heart breaks for the human race.

[@MeyerBen27]

A Flerfer got fired from my job for sucking at his job. He told me 0-G is filmed underwater, and I've heard that before from flerf videos, searched it, and I am so glad it's YOU here to debunk it!

[@bunnykiller]

Once again awesome content... flerfers main downfall, failure to pay attention to details outside of the object in question... they get so blinded by tunnel vision its just crazy... they get so involved in looking at the bark on the tree they dont even realize they are in a forest...

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

I have a detail you can pay attention to.. the female astronauts hair.

[@st0rmforce]

They get so focused on one detail, that half the time they make up something that disproves something they claimed 5 minutes ago. Flatearthism is an inconsistent collection of ad-hoc bullshit

[@huxm5259]

my brain hurts so bad. Why would people not understand that bubbles float in the same direction? The most thoughts of all time.

[@tubecated_development]

The fact that such an explanation is even necessary, just shows how far we’ve fallen as a species

[@medicfromtf2955]

"wrapper is not suitable for consumption"

[@Kenya_Berry]

Here’s my argument to why the ISS isn’t underwater and can’t be Space wants to cause an explosion Water wants to cause an implosion It’s very hard to prepare a single craft for both problems, so now why would the ISS want to be prepared for explosions if it’s for implosions

[@theincursion5898]

now for the real conspiracy: all scuba diving videos are actually in space

[@dark_disciple]

Aha, they've been lying to us the whole time

[@optillian4182]

The ocean is fake.

[@r0cketplumber]

Also, the underwater helmets cause refraction of light and make the astronauts look like they have shrunken heads- but there is no such effect in space.

[@garrymartin6474]

I asked level earth observer how he thought the hatches on submarines ( or the practice escape towers) actually worked given that they are not floppy. No response so far

[@brianm959]

Ah, you see, that's all part of the conspiracy. There are no submarines - the clever bit is, they film the things they claim are submarines IN SPACE. Truly cunning.

[@mojomusica]

Didn't he block you? That's his usual method of ignoring anyone who disagrees with him. He loves his little echo-chamber of derp does LEO!

[@hurricane3518]

ok that was actually the smoothest transition to a sponser that i've ever seen

[@kyliad]

Hi Dave, love your videos. Hopefully you can help me figure out a question i got while flying back from Calgary Canada to my home in Sydney Australia this morning. While I was in Calgary I got to experience the 6am-11pm sunlight, which was super hard to go to sleep to! And landing back to Aus we are of course in winter here with a very short day of 7am-5pm currently. What reasons do flat earthers give for this, on how the days can be longer and shorter depending on the side of the globe and how close to the artic you are? Or do they just evade the subject?

[@st0rmforce]

They have an explanation that doesn't work, but they claim it does (they're not capable of thinking deeper than a surface-level "explanation") The sun moves around in a circle directly over the equator at the equinoxes, and the circle gets bigger and smaller to give the seasons. Absolute nonsense that doesn't even slightly work. The main problem being that there's no way for it to give the southern hemisphere longer days than nights during the summer.

[@kyliad]

​@@st0rmforcehow would a sun even do that, and if it did, it would make more sense to just have it do a single pattern over and over again. Making it do different patterns feels like it would have to be intelegently designed. Since if it was natural and we look at nature then how would the sun have created such a wired travelling pattern, and how would that be nature's optimal.... And to what end, Even moreso why would a flat earth need seasons so to speak. Wouldn't it be easier and simpler to have constant seasons like at the equator, which even on our spherecial earth would be the closest thing to a flat earth in regards to seasons. Hmm so if we were to have a flat earth seasons shouldn't really be a thing right, temperatures and changes would more likely be similar to how the equator works maintaining a similar distance from the sun all year round. Damn now I'm fascinated on how or why there would be seasons on a flat earth. Man how would seasons work on a flat earth model that has the ice wall and other continents outside the ice circle... And how do you maintain such a cold environment between the inner and outer. I'd love to see some science from a flat earther showing how naturally you can have a cold ring between two changing temperature zones. Or even just a central changing zone. It almost would make more sense to have two suns. Would making solve the opposing seasons and lighting a bit easier 😅

[@st0rmforce]

@kyliad It's very very simple: Absolutely nothing makes sense on a flat earth.

[@bemvey]

Excellent video once again! Your attention to the details and logical explanations are epic!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@srStinnky]

you should add the helmet glass, how when it's underwater because of refraction you can see the astronauts face, whence in space the glass reflects everything and you can't see the astronauts head. this video is fantastic!

[@supergregg83]

Another interesting thing is the amount of dead pixels in these video cameras. I read a long time ago that companies like Nikon never transport their cameras by air, as it at high altitude exposes the sensor for radiation that damages pixels in the sensors. Just look at that last shot of them looking through the window.. Dead pixel galore.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Charged particles can cause dead pixels if they hit a camera sensor. Evidently they can cause astronauts to see bright flashes as well if a charged particle hits the optic nerve.

[@McLaren961-]

Here is a good quote that my dad told me once… “Arguing with a smart person is hard, but arguing with a stupid person is harder” Most people don’t care to learn the truth if they are chin deep in their own misconceptions and lies.

[@ChristopherCAD]

Common sense ain't common anymore. We need more people like you David.

[@PunCraft]

Thank you for addressing the "Caustic Lighting", the shimmering effect. I had a comment posted but I deleted it cus I hadn't watched the vid yet , my bad :P Great work on this video. I'm having my own battle with a misinformed scientisn't and I love your approach on debates.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

"a misinformed scientist" That's an interesting term. I can't imagine many scientists to be misinformed. I think that has to be an oxymoron. To be a scientist surely you have to be correctly informed?

[@PunCraft]

@@ShizukuSeiji Hnce why I used the term "scientisn't" as a play on that very fact.

[@paulslund1]

@@PunCraft Oh LOL.. I thought that was a typo.. that's a good one!

[@xaisies]

Should I be shocked that LEO doesn't understand space? No. Should I be shocked LEO also doesn't understand water? Also no.

[@Darren777Au]

Having done some cinematography in a few films and having done SCUBA diving in the past, @Dave McKeegan is spot on with his findings about colour in water, and photography, along with the light source movement. I'd rather hang my DSLR via it's supplied neck harness that comes supplied, velcro, no thanks.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

I loved the Velcro on the camera. Good find!

[@noobartz0890]

oh, sorry, i missed the entire video because I've been looking at the dog

[@reshirom2009]

I can’t imagine trying to comp out all those bubbles, sounds like a nightmare!

[@fintancostello_ok]

Honestly those people who don’t think we went to the moon or think that we actually don’t have a space station jeez grow up… Stop acting like a baby and just accept that humans have gone to the moon. Start acting like your age rather than an a literal toddler….

[@gloatinglizard1]

I mean, you know they are just going to keep coming up with something new. Keep the videos coming Dave! Doing great!

[@mleise8292]

Very good. You covered many more aspects than anyone else would ever have thought of in 16 minutes. It breaks through the suspension of disbelief a conspiracy theorist must engage in to believe "those are air bubbles" etc.

[@Ratciclefan]

I'm in absolute disbelief that Pokie didn't concede (/s just in case)

[@st0rmforce]

So unlike a flat earther... Shocked

[@BIASED_YOUTUBE]

Do people not realize you can actually see the ISS orbiting the earth with a telescope

[@therealzilch]

You can actually see the ISS orbiting the Earth with the naked eye.

[@omichromium]

I actually am a big fan of ground news, got it after another sponsor message and its really great for seeing how the political spectrum reports on news stories

[@ivanpetrov5255]

April 4th? Why were they late 3 days?

[@Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.]

the fact that people claim the ISS is fake despite being visible with the naked eye from the ground is actually hilarious

[@SulfurFurious]

I really try to avoid flat earth bs, or anything profoundly stupid regarding any solid fact. But your videos are great content regarding space stuff. Really interesting and well explained. Thank you!

[@just9911]

Schrödinger’s space station - it’s in a superposition state until a flat earther/space denier talks about it then it becomes CGI, a model, underwater, a projection, etc. so long as it fits the current line of manic ravings.

[@stronie671888]

I love the way you pick these idiot videos apart. The thing is you don't need science to debunk three quarters of the shit that comes out Keep them coming Dave I'm loving it 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@c.augustin]

You don't need science to debunk 90% of the shit that comes out of FEs mouths. Or rather 95%. Some simple observations do the trick most of the time.

[@СергійСавелов]

@@c.augustin even observations aren't required. My only instrument in debates with flerfs is basic logic, that's enough to make them shut up or cry.

[@c.augustin]

@@СергійСавелов Sounds intriguing, but normally flerfs are completely immune to logic … 🤔

[@st0rmforce]

It is pulled out of their arse without brain power, so it can be debunked without brain power.

[@leenonolee4629]

Regarding floppy hatches. A floppy hatch CANNOT keep water out. So where is the airlock that pumps the water out? Nowhere, because they aren't under water. As a former Navy Submariner I've had to surface from as far as 100 feet underwater. Despite being completely under water we never had floppy hatches. They cannot keep water out, and as we are air breathers it is very important that water is kept out of human living/working spaces.

[@WalkerRileyMC]

I just don't get why people have such a hard on for dismissing some of the greatest accomplishments man has ever achieved.

[@briansomething5987]

Because they have accomplished nothing, and flerfing allows them to pretend nobody else accomplished anything.

[@SeonasStudio]

LEO’s underwater floppy hatch idea is mind boggling really. How many submarines with floppy hatches has he seen? How clueless he is.

[@jonesgang]

But I do have to admit it is a pretty cool idea to have something like that in the ocean doing underwater exploration. We did have SEALAB I, II and III that was operated by the US Navy. We need something like that with the ability to move around and explore the ocean depths. Just don't let OceanGate build it.

[@ythinder]

Dave just effortlessly destroyed LEO's pathetic little theory, thanks Dave 👏

[@ilmt]

I wonder (as I've just noticed it) if the "Level earth observer" always used the saying "done and dusted" or is he watching too much of SciManDan :D

[@danielrooney431]

I've been following all your videos and I really love seeing everything explained it's fascinating it just makes me more interested in the amazing work these people do for science. :)

[@graemeclifford6358]

Near the end of this video, it shows an astronaut entering through a hatch after an EVA. (He is met by a male and the female with the photo camera) As the claim is that the EVA is actually underwater ... then WHY is the astronaut COMPLETELY DRY and the is NO water dripping of him ?????

[@therealzilch]

NASA fills the tanks with special dry water, a substance they got from the aliens at Area 51, who also helped them fake the Moon landings.

[@officerdonut7066]

​@@therealzilchNah aliens are a psyop it's much simpler they cut the film