Flat Earthers claim the ISS is really a plane ...

[@DaveMcKeegan]

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[@greenmii6000]

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[@Level_No_Curve]

🤡 spewing garbage for shekels

[@ongabriendocaminos2197]

Talking to flat earthers/deniers/etc. it's like arguing with a kid who dropped out of elementary school and is also drunk. I find it very funny and sad at the same time.

[@Level_No_Curve]

@@ongabriendocaminos2197 i feel the same when trying to explain how demonstrable reality destroys the globe delusion. Its like taking to a mentally retarded spastic. You lot can only insult amd ad hom. No practicality to your ridiculous claims

[@hasegawataizo4069]

The Galaxy might be flat, but the Earth is not. That still doesn't mean the ISS is real.

[@Papinak2]

I love one thing about these theories - once you get into details how the faking would actually work, it becomes more and more apparent that it's easier to do it for real

[@misterocain]

Spot on. The excuses are far more complex than the reality. That's why i think most Flerfs are mere poes, looking for a bit of fun.

[@jamesdelius]

Can't remember which debunker it was that did a bit that was something like... (phone rings) "it's for you. Yeah, a Mr. Occam's on the line. " Sums this sort of thing up perfectly.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Well, the problem with most of these conspiracy theories starts even way before we need to ponder _how_ they do it. I mean, _why_ would they do it? What's the incentive? You don't go through all of this effort to pull the wool over the entire populace's eyes if you don't stand to gain from it. So what do "they" have to gain from this supposed lie? The entire premise that so many people would cooperate to make this "lie" look real makes no sense whatsoever.

[@misterocain]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees It provides a perceived relevancy to otherwise irrelevant people.

[@seantaylor6691]

@@jamesdelius Was it Sabine? She's not so much a debunker but her phone is pretty legendary :D

[@scottmanley]

I once measured the speed an altitude of the ISS using two cameras on the ground. 400km up and 7.5km/sec To perform this ‘complex’ task I couldn’t do it alone. I needed the help of middle school students. 😅😅

[@GoD1014]

Thank you for your work!

[@DarkPlaysThings]

You were fooled by the middle schoolers! They are actually spies working for Big Astronomy and rigged your results! Open your eyes!

[@Jan_Strzelecki]

This sounds like a setup for the "African or European swallow?" joke 😁😁

[@kefhomepage]

Way over the intellect of a flat Earther then.🤣

[@dogwalker666]

But flurfs can't maths!

[@LobbeWOW]

Wouldn't creating a plane with the shape and speed of the ISS be a bigger challenge than just making the ISS?

[@Diggnuts]

Indeed. It would just be simpler faking the ISS by just building a space station and faking it is space....

[@deadturret4049]

It would. The air resistance alone would be a nightmare.

[@floseatyard8063]

Yes it would, plane nerd here the drag would literally crash the plane, there's no way some supersonic or heck even modified airliner like the shuttle carrier would carry all of that. 500 mph+ going forward so 500 mph winds going backward and hitting those solar panels, would just make the plane so slow it would stall and crash or atleast not be able to replicate the ISS'S speed

[@GeekOfAllness]

Suppose for a second that you believe the Earth is flat, and gravity only pulls downwards. Why you'd believe that is anyone's guess. Now, you can build the ISS, but you can't actually make it orbit the Earth, because orbital mechanics are a conspiracy. So the only way the ISS can actually stay above the Earth involves thrusters, aerodynamic lift, or similar processes. At this point, creating a plane with the shape and speed of the ISS is exactly the same challenge as creating the ISS, because they're literally the same thing. There's nothing physically stopping a plane from accomplishing this, at least in straight and level flight. You just make it go really fast and it will generate enough lift to stay airborne. In real life, there's an altitude where that speed is so high you're just orbiting the planet. That's called the Kármán line. But if all the gravity is pointing the same direction, orbit doesn't exist, so you're just flying really fast. If the air is scarcer up there (not sure if flat Earthers actually believe that), you don't even need particularly strong materials, because there's not a lot of heat. Sure, you're hitting the molecules really fast, but you're not hitting very many of them. That's why you have to fly so fast to get lift. So if you make an efficient design, it should be possible to stay airborne a couple hundred miles up with enough speed, if there's enough air, without heating the aircraft enough that it would glow in the dark. The aerodynamics would be tricky while appearing to be a non-aerodynamic shape, but you could plausibly have some kind of clear glass or plastic shell that's aerodynamic, with solar panels inside it. Why you'd do that instead of just leaving them off is a salient question I don't have an answer to. Of course, you can just look at the ISS at the right IR wavelengths to measure its surface temperature, which, with sufficient camera resolution (that's really expensive for these kinds of cameras) would show that the solar panels are not actually surrounded by any kind of clear material, since that would easily show up against the 2K background of space if it had enough friction to generate lift. You can build a telescope so you don't need super-high resolution, then use a $1000 hunting thermal imager, but your telescope has to have active cooling, and refract the correct wavelengths, to get a clean image. I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it's cheap. There's also the problem of changing directions. It's conceivable something could get to that speed, but the amount of acceleration required to do the proposed "orbital" loops would need crazy amounts of constant power that would be visible from Mars. Maybe; I didn't actually do the math. But it would definitely be hard to hide what's essentially a rocket trail from being easily visible with any thermal imaging device.

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

Whoever actually told David Weiss about the planes faking the ISS (if indeed anyone did) was clearly having a great time winding the giant key in his back.

[@supremeownage8995]

I love the idea of some random NASA employee in a bar somewhere getting bored and being like "I'll tell you the secret mate, it's a plane covered in Lights!" and getting a kick how they just believe him.

[@pretzelbomb6105]

Far more likely that the "NASA employee" was actually an accountant or a delivery driver or a full-time student- really, just about anyone can walk up to a flat earth KZbinr and so long as you keep a straight face they'll take everything you say seriously.

[@prdurnion83]

@@pretzelbomb6105 Unless you're telling them that they're wrong.

[@AsmodeusMictian]

Wizard's First Rule: People are easy to lie to. Just tell them something they already think is true, or something they're afraid is true.

[@Rage_WinterchiIl]

so they'll believe anything a NASA "employee" tells them if it lines up with their preconceived notions, yet regard NASA employees as completely untrustworthy regarding literally anything else? definitely not gullible or anything.

[@ericpode6095]

​@@AsmodeusMictianthat sounds like it would be a Discworld quote but I don't recognise it.

[@bgb946]

It’s crazy that they think NASA would get money to fly planes to fake the ISS. 😂

[@AdemOmerovicBA]

Devil worshippers always find money to stir the flock from the righteous path 😅

[@kuuno2]

How much petrol products it would consume 😂 and cost of them 😂

[@JohnNotAMurderer]

​@@AdemOmerovicBANot everyone cares about your false religion.

[@imEden0]

@@kuuno2probably as much as some wars so far

[@PaulStSmith]

Nowadays, Nasa can't get money to even to fly the REAL ISS.

[@timolynch149]

The thing with the science denying "community" is this: They demand all sorts of evidence and when presented with it deny it or just move the goalposts while at the same time they present no evidence for their own position that holds under any kind of scrutiny. Very often any conversation boils down to one side demanding that the other side prove the entirety of physics to them. You have done a wonderful job in this video, explained things, demonstrated why, for example, David Weiss is simply wrong with his, let's be generous, idea. It will not move the needle, sadly. "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

[@Sacrengard]

They are like kids who will come up with a different excuse when the one they presented did not work, and when that one doesnt work they will come up with a new one, and so on...

[@paull8678]

If their standard of evidence for a flat earth were even a tenth as stringent as their standard of evidence for the globe, none of them would be flerfs.

[@sirbum1918]

Interesting how one side uses science and the other side uses, errr, something...

[@qlqnen]

Yup. I've had flerfs "debunk" gravity, because "has anyone discovered the graviton?" Then they say that buoyancy just is, no need to explain how or why it works. It just is. Nevermind you need g to explain it.

[@Carlos_12]

What's crazy is you can see the iss with your own eyes and can take pictures of it if you have the right equipment. Then these guys will say "NASA put something in the camera lens " 😂

[@guyrose2847]

That NASA whistleblower is probably a guy on a program, who empties trash cans and cleans the toilets. You know, a typical Flat Earth Dave top notch informant.

[@richardvine5915]

Gotta lie to flerf......

[@TomJakobW]

@@richardvine5915or that; for clout! It’s the same ridiculous blind following of authority, when they like, what these people are saying; like those hyper trained, giga smart, all 100% always reliable and trustworthy cant-tell-wrong human-machines that are fighter pilots or military personnel, when it’s something about “aliens” or “UFOs”…

[@TomJakobW]

Or just a plain “I made it the f up” sort of guy. There’s quite a bunch of videos on yt showing, what the standards for verification are for these great “intellectuals and academics” in the flat earth community! You can literally write them “I work for gov, earth is flat; all a huge hoax” and they will believe it and quote you - only thing you gotta remember is to use a lot of complicated-sounding jargon and a very authority laden ductus.

[@docostler]

I'm pretty sure FE Dave was actually talking to himself. Perhaps one of him wore a hat, or glasses, or something so FED could keep track of which him was talking when.

[@Isolder74]

Or just doesn’t exist at all. He’s just cribbing from the playbook of Bill Kaysing. Using something called a proof surrogate. Basically it’s combining an appeal to authority without actually providing a source. It basically lets you claim anything that you want and then pretend it has validity. It also plays right into the conspiracy mindset to push them to accept it as I’m protecting my source from ‘them’ so that his type just buy it without question.

[@yougosquishnow]

"I spoke to a nasa whistelblower" is code for "I made it up."

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Or: _I believe ANYTHING that ANYONE tells me."_ 😋

[@rubi_t]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman "...as long as it confirms my existing conspiracy theories."

[@jimnaden5594]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman - "Or: I believe ANYTHING that ANYONE tells me." Except a science teacher.

[@cinzia2504]

or maybe the nasa whistleblower trolled him

[@skz5k2]

@@cinzia2504 They were really cruel XD

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

Paying attention in high school physics can solve a lot of problems

[@glennpearson9348]

Paying attention to 3rd-grade study of the solar system can solve this particular problem.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

@@glennpearson9348Absolutely! I never took high school (or college, for that matter) physics. A little basic logic & critical thought can go a long way towards understanding relatively complex topics. The really complex ones I just have to pretend that I understand, though I’m not sure anyone truly grasps particle physics all that well, even particle physicists🤣

[@lyndafjellman3315]

High school physics is an elective. They were probably majoring in keggers, so it wasn't required.

[@tipigi3570]

Yep, guys like David Weiss were the same kids in school that kept asking "Why do we have to learn this?" and saying "We'll never use this!".

[@glennpearson9348]

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 When it comes to particle physics, I just nod my head and say "Schroedinger's Cat" every once in a while...

[@raztubes]

There's got to be something so satisfying about trolling that guy by telling him you're a NASA whistleblower and making him believe utter nonsense.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

Flat Earthers will believe ANYTHING fed to them which agrees with their delusion. Confirmation bias is all they have.

[@nightmareTomek]

Yeah, I would have said he's straight up lying about the whistleblower. But then I remembered the magic of trolls.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@nightmareTomek When flat Earthers make definitive statements they are easy meat... I had one tell me once that mathematics was fake and he had a degree in mathematics as proof of his "credentials". When asked how he passed his exams he said he just rote memorized the formulas and gave the answers the examiners wanted. There was silence when he was informed that that isn't how mathematics works and that you cannot go through a degree course without understanding the subject. Another flat Earther tried to tell me that the Sun was small in the morning and evening but larger at noon when it was overhead. When I informed him that I had a telescope with a solar filter and the Sun did NOT change size throughout the day, he "countered" by saying he too had a telescope with a solar filter (he had never heard of a solar filter prior to my mentioning it) and that the Sun DID change size. I then informed him that god didn't like liars (he was a religiot) because he was doing the work of satan and that he would be damned for all time... he went absolutely psycho, doubled down, and evntually went quiet when he realised he was trapped in a dilemma of his own making.

[@rwech]

😂🤣😆

[@thepapschmearmd]

@@nightmareTomekhe almost certainly is lying.

[@EVRose60]

I had some simpleton telling me yesterday that the space shuttle and the ISS is a balloon. He was dead serious.

[@christasimon9716]

Hey, I had an alleged surveyor trying to tell me that GPS satellites are held up by helium balloons, just blowing around in the wind... which is how positioning is so precise.

[@jasmijnariel]

Not even rockets fly that fast inside the atmoSPHERE!😂

[@gowdsake7103]

How did he explain its speed and accurate position

[@EVRose60]

@@christasimon9716 I had a guy denying that GPS stands for GLOBAL Positioning System. He claimed it was GROUND based Positioning System. 😂

[@MrKillerno1]

and then to think that we all are related...Tsssss, where did GOD went wrong? HUGELY WRONG!

[@Wolfie6020]

Anyone who thinks the precise predictably of ISS sightings regularly around the world for two decades without a single break is possible with aircraft has no clue about aerodynamics, meteorology or basic physics.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

Well they dont understand Newtons laws of motion either so basic physics is a struggle for them. "Rockets cant work in a vacuum because theres nothing to push against" etc.

[@kkobayashi1]

We can't see the ISS when it's cloudy though

[@MattH-wg7ou]

@@kkobayashi1 what a brilliant observation. Radar can though.

[@kkobayashi1]

@@MattH-wg7ou Do radars actually track the ISS? Primary radar or secondary? Which ones?

[@meloney]

​@@kkobayashi1you can literally radio the ISS when you time it right.

[@Groffili]

Flat Earthers tend to have a massive problem with the concept of "scale". So, from their side, it is: "Plane. Flying high. Flying fast. ISS. Flying high. Flying fast. Must be the same!" Measurements, calculations, precision, different scales... all these things are anathema to Flat Earthers.

[@TexasProSIM]

That is a good point. I believe their failure to understand scale and measurement is directly linked to their lack of education in math and physics. It only takes a basic high school education to figure out mathematically the earth is not flat

[@TomJakobW]

@@TexasProSIMit is hard/impossible to imagine; they cannot for the love of them use logics and analytics; it has got to be “visualized”, which is also a problem I noticed being very prevalent in education/school! Works on the small frame, too: Tell them your average virus is “smaller than light” (wavelength of visual light) and they will look at you utterly bedazzled.

[@jfmezei]

Do not underestiate Flat Earther Society. It has members from around the globe 🙂

[@flaco777]

I'm convinced true beleiver Flat Earthers all suffer from some form of aphantasia.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

@@TexasProSIM And yet, there are "prominent" flat earthers who apparently really have a math/science background. Really weird. I remember back in university there was this guy who was active on IRC, and also did the traditional "soapbox on a market square" thing on occasion, who believed all sorts of conspiracy theories. One of them being that the moon landing was fake, since the entire space program was impossible. He even had an elaborate mathematical "proof" that this _had_ to be the case, since nothing could ever reach orbital speeds, let alone escape Earth's gravity. Of course, the argument was pure nonsense, as it was based on the unspoken assumption that we "shoot" the rocket into orbit, rather than pushing it there with sustained thrust. His analogies revolved around kicking soccer balls, or firing cannons. He did, however, have a solid grasp of the trajectories of objects launched at an angle, and could demonstrate that given the known maximum velocities achieved at sea level, the required starting speed would exceed those by a wide margin. His mathematical prowess was by no means impressive. It's literally taught in high school. But it was weird to see someone who believes in such nonsense, and yet was not mathematically illiterate.

[@JohnnyHughes1]

I love it when they off-handedly reply it could be something that is orders of magnitude harder to do than actually launching modules to create a space station.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

That's not an argument that will ever convince them though. It's only harder to do if the earth is round, and therefore, things such as "orbits" exist. Flat Earthers believe the opposite. To them, "launching modules into orbit" is impossible, as there is no such thing as an orbit to launch modules into. In our world view, their explanation is orders of magnitude harder to pull off than ours. But since they believe our explanation to be literally impossible. Well, "incredibly elaborate" is still trivial compared to "literally impossible".

[@keiyakins]

Having tried to get people to coordinate... their explanation is even more impossible😂

[@breakingaustin]

The amount of work, effort, choreography, time, money, manpower, speed and communication it would take to make the lies Flat Earthers think is happening to make them believe there is an ISS in space to actually happen, would mean that just building an ISS and putting it in space would be 1000x easier..

[@cygnustsp]

Gotta spend money to make money

[@mikefochtman7164]

Quite right. Look up the 'Berlin Airlift" program. A monumental effort at the beginning of the cold war to keep West Berlin supplied. Yet this flerf thinks something that is orders of magnitude larger and more difficult is just some government conspracy program.

[@mcswisscheese3031]

​​@@cygnustsp hope this isnt you agreeing with the ISS being fake...

[@imdfox1774]

If they had even JUST the choreography, there would be at least an agreed-upon model of flat earth amongst flat earth. It still wouldn’t be correct or usable but at least they would agree to it 😂

[@lemagicbaguette1917]

@@imdfox1774 hard crust pizza model for the win!

[@pouyan74]

I live in Iran. And guess what! I've seen the ISS here too - many times indeed! Now, would any of the flat earthers mind explaining how could an American reconnaissance plane possibly pass the Iranian airspace routinely and safely without causing any political tension? How can an RQ-170 flying near the Iranian borders result in tons of political backlashes between Tehran and DC for years, while a U-2 zipping through Iran several times a month is just OK to the governments?

[@therealzilch]

It's because Tehran believes the NASA propaganda too. :)

[@MattExzy]

I remember the first time I saw the ISS flyover head... it was about a decade ago, and I deliberately researched what time it would pass over. I've always been into space stuff, but thought it was odd I'd never looked for it. Anyway, it was a humbling experience, it was of course totally silent, but there was something magical about it. I feel bad (almost) for flat earthers that can't experience truth - because the truth is so fantastic.

[@SVKTed]

Afraid they won´t mind. :D At best, they´ll claim Iran doesn´t exist. Just another US conspiracy to burn money. Anyway, cheers for the comment, made my day.

[@sauercrowder]

Because they're in on it. Iran's conflict with the US is nothing more than theater designed to make you believe exactly this. You have no idea how far this conspiracy goes. I envy your blissful ignorance. /s

[@indalcecio]

There is no point in trying to argue with them, they'll just say that Iran is secretly in on the conspiracy. They literally claim that despite there never having been one single thing we have been able to get every single country to agree on, apparently they all agree to perpetuate flat earth and spend trillions of dollars keeping up the charade. You can never convince one no matter what because they see anyone arguing against their beliefs as persecution which they see as proof that they're right. It's a cult.

[@GustavoLovato]

You’re the best flat Earth debunker on KZbin by far. You explain thoroughly without talking down at anyone, you educate, you go step by step, you add the right humor at the right time, you are respectful, and you have a super cute dog. Congratulations!

[@theforgedone]

The fact that he is respectful is so important - I've been helping pull people back from this insanity with his videos. I agree - best flat earth debunker on youtube by far!

[@bagofholding]

I'm just here for the dog. The flat earth busting content is a bonus.

[@astroexo6934]

Very true comment

[@RainerGigachad]

Quite the opposite of SciManDan who is as arrogant as the ones he's critizising for being ignorant and arrogant. lol

[@blankityblankblank2321]

I agree, insulting gets you nowhere. Life isn't hollywood, you can't expect people to have epiphanies while being insulted and talked down to. People don't respond well to insults against them or their group, they ignore you or go against you regardless of whether they are armed with facts or barehanded. People would do good to remember this in everyday life as well.

[@rostokmcspoons]

I remain very impressed that, unlike most of the other debunkers out there, you don't just laugh at the Flerfer, but actually deconstruct their proposition one piece at a time. And explain the reality in an easy-to-understand manner. Even with things that seem blatantly obvious to me, you've still managed to teach me something (in this video it was about the parallax calculations, and the f-stops on lenses). Thanks!

[@southeastgasservices]

Dave is a pro photographer, he would know about lenses and stuff....

[@LarsKuhlmannCourtwright]

The reason I always gone back for these videos is because for me it's not a flat earth debunk video as much as it's a optics/physics etc educational video with a flat earth concept as the catalyst for the conversation. It's really fun honestly to just try a goofy idea out and just run with it! It makes me want to come up with a flat earth model just to see what we can learn from debunking it.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@LarsKuhlmannCourtwright "it's not a flat earth debunk video as much as it's a optics/physics etc educational video" Your sentence reminded me that this is like one of those "before" and "after" comparisons. "Before" is the flat Earth, the process being used on the customer is called Scienceopticsmathslogic and the "After" is a spherical Earth.

[@jamesphillips2285]

I hope he did not damage his sensor photographing the sun!

[@SaiTorrKalFas]

Good point. It is something that I struggle with watching FTFE or even Professor Dave during debates. The tone is too toxic for my taste.

[@battlesheep2552]

I just realized that in order to pull this off, NASA must have a perfectly working model of the flat earth, something that the "geniuses" at the flerf society could never figure out. How about that?

[@monhi64]

To be fair I thought that flat earther always thought NASA did have the correct working model of flat earth and are dedicated to hiding that from everyone else…for some reason

[@fepatton]

Even though these videos will not persuade the hard core flat-Earthers, they are _very_ important for viewers who might be thinking, “Do these people have a point?” Keep it up!

[@LaurentCassaro]

Exactly!

[@maxfan1591]

Yes, this! As long as idle viewers of flerfery don't learn it's been refuted, there's the possibility that they'll believe it.

[@williamgeorge2580]

Reality is far less complicated than the things these guys come up with to explain the holes in their beliefs.

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

I love how they both say that: -ISS can't be real, at those speeds something like this would be torn apart (then after being showed images from the ground if they in any way accept them) -It's a plane So which one is it?

[@C_Becker]

None of it.

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

@@C_Becker ?

[@BasilWallace]

The goal posts move about as fast as the fake airplanes that disguise the ISS's existence

[@theduke7539]

I saw the ISS overhead some years ago, its amazing, even with the naked eye, you can track it as just a speck, but even with some basic binoculars, you can clearly see its not a plane

[@imEden0]

It’s gone over me twice and I’ve spotted it. There and out in just 10 minutes

[@nomenclature9373]

When Shuttle was still flying and on a separate orbit than ISS it was cool when they appeared overhead minutes apart. That also happened when the Mir space station was still on orbit. Have yet to observe the Chinese station. Either cloudy/fog or passing overhead in daylight.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Alright, we ruled out "plane". So that leaves only two possibilities. Did you happen to see if it was wearing a cape, by any chance? 🤣

[@christasimon9716]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees "Alright, we ruled out "plane"." It's a bird!

[@williamramey1959]

Yea, but the binocular may be part of the conspiracy, so they don't trust them either. LOL. By the way, if one has two pairs of binocular, then they are binoculars. The word is already plural: bin-ocular: two oculars. Even prominent dictionaries enter the incorrect spelling for this term in the singular.

[@murdoc4794]

This is how you debunk something thoroughly! No name calling, or silly memes. You listen to someone's argument, and prove how it can't be true point by point. Well done once again Dave! What will the con men come up with next?

[@tonybehaviour9945]

I love when the FE ppl think that an out of focus image of a planet is the real thing and an in focus image are fake.

[@Connection-Lost]

@@BondiAV Just like how they think photos taken that show lens abberations like "sundogs" prove the flat earth, even though you can't see them with your eyes. Somehow the illuminati allows cameras that show the "truth" to be manufactured. Makes perfect sense.

[@Truth_Apologetics]

​@@BondiAVThe P1000 and P900

[@bengsynthmusic]

Anyone with a P1000 is now suspect of being a flerf.

[@phredro1731]

come to think of it, indeed they do. Good catch.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@BondiAV All it takes is a flick of a switch and a twist of the focussing ring of a P1000 and the flat Earther dies...

[@Felix-no7nx]

Of course the earth is flat! Its edges are just very rounded!

[@Oz-gv5fz]

🎣

[@seantaylor6691]

It's definitely flat. what is it, something like 70% of the earth is covered in water and in all of human history less than 0.0000001% of it has ever been carbonated. Flat AF earth confirmed.

[@simond.455]

If you want to get a rough estimate on how flat it is, divide 8 inches by 1 mile: 0.000126 That means over a mile, it's 99.99% flat. 😆

[@chrisantoniou4366]

The Earth is flat in FOUR dimensions, but gloriously spherical in three.

[@MrEjwheeler]

DERP: "How is it reflecting that light, is it made of mirrors?" Yes, pretty much.

[@John_Gillman]

the ISS is like 50% body and 50% solar panels and some radiators

[@mangojulie123]

Duh! 😂😂😂

[@ReValveiT_01]

My favourite part was when he claimed the ISS was as bright as the sun, and none of the crew thought to stop him and tell him he's talking complete bollocks. Just shows the flerf inability to 'logic'.

[@JohnV170]

Lol imagine a plane that could go around the planet in 90 minutes 😆

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Forget the old Concorde trick of eating breakfast in London and then flying to New York in time for breakfast - with that plane you could start eating breakfast in London and be in New York before you finish 🤣

[@wally7856]

They have more then 1 plane silly.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

​@@DaveMcKeegan>>> Do you realize how much *MONEY* could be made from a _commercial aircraft_ with that capability??!!

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman That would depend heavily, mostly on the upkeep. In the case of the Concorde itself it was shut down because it wasn't profitable, in fact it only ever lost money afaik. It was just too expensive for most people to take over a normal airline and the upkeep on the plane itself wasn't cheap. So even if you had a plane that could go from Sydney to New York in ten minutes if it was fueled by weapons grade plutonium rods that cost 4 billion dollars per trip, it'd be nearly impossible to make money from it, just as an exaggerated example.

[@michaelawford7325]

@@wally7856A sort of relay race? But how does having 10 planes going round the earth increase the speed 10 times? Drrrr

[@caseylocke4474]

There are two rules of thumb I have noticed about NEARLY every Flat Earther that debates: 1) They don't talk TO you; they talk AT you. 2) Louder = Righter. The thing I like most about your videos is you engage in neither of these annoying behaviors. You explain things clearly, are courteous, and you don't talk down to anyone. You sir are an example-setter.

[@allgrainbrewer10]

Rule #3, lean into your crappy camera like a 4th grade bully, trying to intimidate your opponent

[@Vulcanfaux]

That guy talking about talking to nasa whistle blowers sounds as believable as my friend saying his dad works at nintendo. Some will fall for it, others will know his Dad actually is a mechanic. And the rest will just say "yeah sure"

[@fomori2]

FE Dave is a grifter and he knows his followers will eat up any "whistle blower" stories without thinking or verifying them. He doesnt care that normal people can see through his bullshit because they are not his target audience.

[@blindbrad4719]

Some of us know your friend is adopted… 😂

[@chrisantoniou4366]

Your dad works for Nintendo? Cool! 👍

[@AniMageNeBy]

But..but son! I *do* work for nintendo!

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@AniMageNeBy Take me to your work and prove it! 😂😂😂

[@justpassingby298]

it being a projection is literally more impressive than just making the ISS

[@chrisantoniou4366]

I'd also like to know how they can project dark onto the Sun... 🤔

[@wedding_photography]

Projection onto what? Firmament?

[@ml-kk2bk]

Anyone ever seen a plane stay airborne for over 20 years? These flat brainers are brilliant

[@SaneGuyFr]

Aww flerfers, can't afford telescope to see the iss.

[@ElJefeS4]

The ones that can don't understand how to focus it.

[@craigcorson3036]

A telescope is not required to see ISS. I have seen it many times with just my eyes. Once, I even saw it shortly after a shuttle had undocked, and the two objects tracked across the sky together.

[@Soundbrigade]

But that will reveal the truth for the flatties.

[@Sacrengard]

@@craigcorson3036 They require it... they are clearly blind af lol

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Hey neither can I but I'm not a dumbass on top of being poor

[@UdarRusskihPudgei]

And now imagine an american aircraft passing over Russia ~16 times a day in 2023.

[@lemagicbaguette1917]

It’s be fine. They helped start the ruse back in ‘98 ;) Anything else is a no-no, tho…

[@Truth_Apologetics]

They literally used to do that (less often tho) and every once in a while one would get shot down

[@natehill8069]

America and China and Russia and N Korea and Japan and Germany and France and Iran and Brazil and South Africa and Israel and Egypt and (keep list going) are all in it together. So no problem with fake ISS flying over any given country.

[@blakewalker84120]

Dave, I'll say it again. I love how you debunk these flerfs. You use evidence, math, and just plain simple logic. Unlike some other debunkers who mainly use "dear oh dear" as their primary debunking tool, you actually do the work. Thanks!

[@johneagle2100]

If you are thinking of who I think you are, you left out Pantomime and Demonstrably 😂

[@phildavenport4150]

The work that he does is aimed not at ineducable flattards but at normal people, many of whom welcome the additional knowledge. His respectful demeanor is skin deep when it comes to moronic deniers.

[@serriusgaming8468]

Nice jab at Sciman Dan there...

[@blakewalker84120]

@@serriusgaming8468 I wasn't naming names. I like SciMan Dan. He's fun to watch. But a lot of the time I feel like he's not actually debunking the flat earthers; he's merely mocking them.

[@johneagle2100]

@@blakewalker84120 Which is what they deserve!

[@mangojulie123]

Flerfs: people who cannot credibly explain why the sun has disappeared EVERY GODDAMN NIGHT for as long as they've lived! Mere Children: the sun sets over the horizon!

[@tacticallemon7518]

As someone who’s spent a lot of time trying to figure out *how* flerths happen, they believe that air, air moisture, and just about any science term you can think of bends light to appear as if you’re on a globe

[@mangojulie123]

​@tacticallemon7518 Yeah, it's as if their entire flat Earth has conspired against them! 😂

[@homiej8163]

Stop using logic, no flerfer will understand such concepts as “horizon”

[@bhafferty5184]

@@tacticallemon7518which is an explanation infinitely more convoluted than just accepting that the earth is round

[@tacticallemon7518]

@@homiej8163 i’ve heard one say “you don’t call it the curvision” as a way to prove it’s flat

[@itchitrigger8185]

I can't believe a video needs to be made to debunk those ridiculous claims. As Einstein said - thare a only 2 things that are infinite, the universe, and the stupidity of humanity, but we aren't absolutely sure about the universe. Great video as always.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Ad utterly kooky as the idea of a plane circumnavigating earth 16 times a day, 24/7/365 is, that claim is STILL infinitely more evidence-based, than the 100% evidence-free belief that "transwomen ARE women (in whatever mystical, undefinable sense of the word)", which is (somehow?) taken as rational justification to chemically stunt the 100% healthy growth of children, as young as 9 (with exactly ZERO empirical evidence of ANY medical issue, at all). Flat earthers are morons... but at least THEY don't use THEIR weird evidence-free fantasies, as justification to irreversably mutilate unconsenting children, in perfect physical health... (Or to put fully-intact, male, convicted raapists in women's prison, locked in an 8x14ft cell with a biological woman, 18 hours a day... Or to allow men in women's sports... Or allow men in the women's changerooms where 6yo girls undress... )

[@chrisantoniou4366]

I only recently found out that Einstein was a real person. I always thought he was a theoretical physicist...

[@turtlesandmoreturtles]

@@chrisantoniou4366 not bad 😀

[@zita109]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@defenestrated23]

NASA engineers quickly realized that the only way to achieve the speeds required was to put an object 400km up moving thousands of kph. They also realized the reflectivity would not match, so they had to put thousands of sqft of solar panels on this object. Clearly, such an object would not fit in a single rocket payload, so they must have snuck it aboard many space shuttle launches over many years and assembled it in space.

[@TheistsTapOut]

I have a foolproof idea for a bank heist. First, get a job at a bank. Doesn't matter what position. Do the work, gain their trust until you have them all fooled. Now the beauty of it is that the bank will deposit money into YOUR bank accounts... week after week, month after month. And then 20 to 30 years, you walk out the door... like nothing... ever... happened.

[@Tsudico]

@@TheistsTapOut Key and Peele, smartest bank robbers ever.

[@John_Gillman]

and soyuz rockets and some others, it´s almost like that´s exactly how it happened

[@listerofsmeg884]

Many of which weren't even launched by NASA (the space shuttle was out of commission for much of the construction of the ISS). That's what gets me about these US centric morons. The ISS is an INTERNATIONAL effort, not simply a NASA project

[@PopeKingJoe]

I dunno man this sounds like a conspiracy. /s

[@patrickdix772]

12:15 Clearly the entire airline industry is in on scam. The issues with planes not arriving on time are all a ruse to keep the ISS planes a secret. All planes also fly much slower than they could, to also keep the ruse going. (This is sarcasm, in case anyone missed it.)

[@fakestory1753]

They just don't do justice for crediting supersonic balloons to this day.

[@riluna3695]

Ah yes, the one and only criteria for identifying a Poe: Them literally saying it in clear, unambiguous text. Because no amount of "no one could POSSIBLY think or say that" is ever enough to overcome actual, real people and their actual, real, mind-shattering claims.

[@Truth_Apologetics]

This is what I've always been using as a defense against airplane and map-based arguments, I've yet to see an FE debunker address it

[@riluna3695]

@@Truth_Apologetics While not a definitive debunk of the idea by any means, you very quickly run into problems with claims like these because of how much power they grant to the organization engaging in the conspiracy. If you were to take even a conservative estimate of the money required to pull off everything they do, from the fake planes and/or balloons, to the wages (or bribery) of the people working on keeping the charade up, and the sheer NUMBER of people who are in a position to uncover the conspiracy, who necessarily have to be knowingly hiding it themselves (which means more bribes), the cash needed skyrockets several orders of magnitude higher than the amount they actually make by running this scam. And if it's draining that much money, they'd simply stop, because we're talking about the kinds of people who'd do anything for money to begin with. It also causes a strange discrepancy with how much control they have, and how well they can keep quiet the thousands if not millions of people who are on it, compared to how easy it is for any old youtube channel to post videos saying "hey, the globe is a hoax and here's why", and not in turn be silenced in minutes by this seemingly all-encompassing, desperate-for-control conspiracy. It's either weak enough to allow random people to speak out, and thus too weak to have gotten to where it is today, or it's strong enough to accomplish all of this manipulation, and yet somehow isn't strong enough to deal with a youtuber posting in their spare time. It kinda doesn't work no matter how you slice it, but it DOES make sense if it was never actually a hoax at all, and the Earth really is spherical. Then all the data points fit again, and there are no more logical contradictions or absurdities.

[@carlborg8023]

You joke man, but I know someone who believes exactly that. amongst other lunacy...

[@LeoH3L1]

They have to be trolling. I refuse to believe that people can genuinely be this delusional and not be in a padded cell.

[@mattguey-lee4845]

NASA did have have an “airplane” that could achieve ISS type speeds and transits. It was called the Space Shuttle. Lol

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

Which contrary to U-2, was pretty much the worst glider ever

[@rednad6372]

There's actually 2! The other chases dreams!!!

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

I would have given up on this lot a long time ago. Thank you for keeping comunication open to these wackos so that some of its victims might finally wake up from this madness instead of being trapped in a flerf echo chamber for the rest of their lives

[@tristanridley1601]

He actually teaches some cool bits of science through this interesting lens. I'm quite done with the conspiracy nuts, but still love his videos for the real-world applications of science and observation.

[@dennisradoor]

youtube is sending him big fat checks every month, pretty sure that will keep him motivated :)

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

@@dennisradoor yeee but he could be getting check for doing something else

[@qwadratix]

In all honesty, I don't think it matters. If a few dumb people want to believe the moon is green cheese, I really don't mind. It's the ones who believe the world is controlled by an invisible man who lives in the sky that worry me.

[@DNMEBOY]

“The ISS is as bright as the sun” So, why doesn’t night to turn to day every time it passes over head after dark? And these guys wonder why no one takes them seriously….

[@DNMEBOY]

@dougadams9419 The first word of a sentence is supposed to be capitalized.

[@stephenandrusyszyn3444]

If NASA could project an image of the ISS, then you know that large companies would constantly be projecting advertisements.

[@icantmakenames6040]

True

[@DaiTengu]

Not to mention, I can take a handheld antenna, point it at the ISS as it transits, and talk to people via a ham radio that are doing the same thing wherever the ISS is viewable through its repeater. If I get too far ahead or behind with my tracking, I'll lose the signal (Especially for antennas that are VERY directional). And, when the ISS is beyond the horizon, you can't hear the signal either. Sometimes you can even talk to astronauts onboard the ISS!

[@DaiTengu]

@@BondiAV you don't need to understand radio wave propagation beyond the horizon. Vhf/uhf frequencies don't do that (for the most part). That makes it simpler and irrefutable.

[@MagiRemmie]

The most disturbing part of this is someone claiming that 9/11 was fake.

[@richardtibbetts574]

So you believe the official narrative?

[@EBDavis111]

@@richardtibbetts574 A person would have to be really stupid not to. Like flat earthers.

[@tristanridley1601]

@@richardtibbetts574 Those aren't the only options. You can believe that the government lies (a lot) and not that thousands of people are faking death/mourning, injury, and illness. That's the kind of black and white thinking that probably started most flat earther's in their direction. My personal conjecture? (Not a theory - a theory needs to have survived credible tests.) I think some in the Bush cabinet knew an attack on the tower was planned (maybe even leaked that info to friends), but that no one expected the tower to actually collapse from the fire. (No one in government nor the terrorists.) I may be right, or wrong. I don't really care. But that's just an example of the kind of conclusion you can reach when you have a healthy distrust of politicians but also grounding in reality.

[@listerofsmeg884]

​@@richardtibbetts574and as if by magic, one appears 🙄

[@listerofsmeg884]

Still quite common sadly.

[@BeauSeverson]

For a group of people obsessed with the P1000, I think none of them have ever taken it off Auto mode. You've said more about light and photography than I think even a single one of them has ever understood.

[@Isolder74]

The only reason they care anything about that family of cameras is that it has a large zoom value they can quote. They know nothing about cameras and a camera like the P-900 is the only thing they can use seeing it does everything for them.

[@thomasw.eggers4303]

I talked with a surveyor today. He was parked alongside the road, so I stopped and talked. He was well aware of the difference between "level" and "flat". He knew the earth "fell off" due to curvature, but he couldn't remember how much. (He was OK with 6-8cm per kilometer.) He said all his electronic equipment took care of issues like that, and all he had to do was walk around with his locator, and the equipment followed him (accuracy to a centimeter). I told him why I stopped (I had been following the flat earth people on KZbin), and he just laughed.

[@CreativeName574]

I mean, it is pretty absurd to follow flat earth believers on youtube

[@thomasw.eggers4303]

@@CreativeName574 Agreed. It is sort of interesting to see where there (il)logic leads them, but it quickly gets really old.

[@trevormillar1576]

Doesn't anyone gave anything better to do than trying to see glorified satellites at night?

[@trevormillar1576]

Your "NASA whistleblower" is pulling your leg.

[@kevinwebster7868]

A NASA whistleblower, fed up with the lies and conspiracy, decides to come clean and blow the top off the whole thing. Does he go to CNN or BBC or Bloomberg or MSNBC or any other media organisation? Nope. He goes to a conspiracy theorist youtuber where all the credibility is.🙄

[@Isolder74]

It plays into the conspirisist mindset. Only I know the real truth so it would only be me who they would come to. It’s why the use of the proof surrogate is so insidious.

[@FloydMaxwell]

Appreciate your precise explanation of the significance of every f-stop. Blows their argument out of the water.

[@rsteeb]

Their "argument" was never NEAR the water. Who TF is *really* that ignorant?

[@1maico1]

I live bellow an air corridor in Somerset England. Commercial aircraft are typically cruising at 35,000 ft. This can be checked in real-time with flightradar24. I can make out the aircraft types with 10x binoculars. When the ISS flew over mid-afternoon it moved across the sky much quicker. There were no plumes or contrails and no noise. It can therefore only be a large man-made object in low earth orbit.

[@Sirius5465]

Planes leave an exhaust trail, the ISS doesn't!

[@jochenstacker7448]

That's because they empty the chemtrail tanks for ISS spoof missions. As soon as they're done, they're back on chemtrail duty. 😂

[@theythinkimmadyouknow]

So, to fake the ISS, you have to build....the ISS!!! Crafty.

[@Philitron128]

I bet "THEY" also faked the moon landing by landing on the moon. Those evil NASA scientists are very crafty.

[@gowdsake7103]

Well several

[@JohnZigglerizzy]

I usually am good at critical thinking, but I got sucked into flat earth theory because honestly some scientists can't convey information properly, and the written science is kind of hard to come by, but you nail it all and actually pulled me out of flat earth. Now I am on a mission to show these Flat Earthers your videos.

[@wiredforstereo]

How about, just don't. Give it a fee years. We don't need another loud mouth who was recently a flat earther trying to debunk flat earthers. Do you understand how unhealthy that is? Do you realize that only hurts and does not help? Just don't do it. Give it a few years to get out of the conspiracist mindset and then see how you can help. We don't need last week's sinner preaching this week's gospel. It rarely ends well.

[@normancharlesworth1289]

I recently found a cool channel called Corrridor Crew who are a team of VFX artists who look at movies etc and try to figure out how it was done.They looked at the moon-landing footage and by the end determined it would be easier to just go to the moon than fake it.Very revealing....and they really looked closely at the footagehave some great insights!Cheers!

[@SuperPickle15]

That would imply flerfers are really good at conveying information. In my experience they say a lot of things, but can never back up any of it. And they can't even agree with one another.

[@JohnZigglerizzy]

@@SuperPickle15 Not necessarily true. You may be watching fake flat earthers. A guy named Whitsit does debates with people, even real "scientists" with PHD's in their fields and stumps them, but the ISS videos are pretty damning to me that they are rotating in 0g around a what appears to be globe.

[@derekgrubbs4754]

@@SuperPickle15Flat earth is an appeal to emotion. It’s not a logical choice that people make. In fact the majority of decisions made by people about anything are based on emotion more so than logic. Flat earth and conspiracies in general appeal to people because it makes you feel like you are part of something bigger. Conspiracies often give people a clear “evil” or target that you can blame a variety of problems on. And often times they also make the person feel special in a sense like they are part of a small group that knows the truth. For some it makes them feel like they are superior and smarter than everyone else and for some it makes them feel like they need to save other people by sharing the truth with them. Conspiracy theories are pretty insidious to be honest and virtually everyone can be susceptible given they are exposed to the right conspiracy under the right circumstances. The only thing that really separates a conspiracy from any other belief is its real world validity.

[@arachn01d]

Yet another great video. I love the combination of simple arguments mixed with really specific details like camera light levels!

[@SgtWicket]

Imagine the logistics of just pointlessly flying five planes all day, every day forever in order to keep up a facade for one of multiple visible space stations.

[@LordJaric]

add all the satellites and it would be a nightmare to maintain.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Man, McKeegan just drops the stupid hammer down on these guys. It’s so awesome!

[@David-cu3ej]

Don't confuse the poor flat earthers; they think Parallax is Thanos's twin brother.

[@coldeb8911]

They can’t even decide amongst themselves what it is , I screen grabbed a comment from one who claims it is on Balloons 🤦🏻‍♂… F****ing Balloons 🤣…I’m serious, he really did claim this in a public Facebook group 🤣🤣🤣… I near wet myself laughing when I read that, so much so, I just couldn’t resist screen grabbing it to show other people 🤣

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

I love to point them to the photos of the Chinese balloon that floated over the USA a couple of years ago and the path it took, then point out all the differences and watch them squirm.

[@doomfox4853]

This is my favourite science channel now purely on the basis of the adorable baby he has on his lap almost every video LOOK AT THAT DOGGY

[@RomanKosins]

The conspiracy theories people come up with are so complicated. This is a mental health issue.

[@tma2001]

yeah aka religious belief.

[@leebeeskee]

The level of choreography and organisation across everyone involved in the world for all these decades to push a globe lie is just not possible given how many whistleblowers there'd be, and humans just aren't that clever overall to be able to pull that off.

[@tacticallemon7518]

It’s wild that it’s easier to believe that for *millennia* some world-wide inter-government organization has had to have lied about the earth in *hundreds* of ways that perfectly align with each-other than it is for them to accept the earth isn’t flat almost like they’re working backwards from a conclusion

[@Niesmiesznyy]

First it didn't exist, now it's a plane

[@kenlieck7756]

Of course they claim it's a plane, because planes are *what?* They're FLAT!!!

[@LifeWithMatthew]

"I talked to a NASA whistle blower" Either he's lying or the he needs to learn to be more discerning... which could be a slogan for the F.E. community in general I suppose.

[@allgrainbrewer10]

FED is a lying moron

[@Isolder74]

Frankly, he’s so full of himself that he thinks a ‘NASA whistleblower’ would only go to him and no one else. Not to the New York Times or the Washington Post but to him. Frankly, I think it’s just a story he made up and now he can pretend it has authority behind it. A proof surrogate is simply the easiest way to lie.

[@jpdevilliers3768]

You stated facts and used scientific arguments. This will not convince them.

[@vjara94]

The sad thing is that you're absolutely truth

[@andgate2000]

Exactly...those people use emotional arguements.

[@helmuttrzoska4572]

When a flatearthers says: "As far as I can see the earth is flat." he's absolutely right.

[@mikebauer6917]

I worked as a contractor with NASA for 26+ years. The idea these guys would, much lees could, keep such secrets is laughable. We/they love to share and compare our knowledge. If anything they have problems keeping things out of the public.

[@Globeishoax]

NASA is a movie studio. People doing their small jobs for a nice paycheck

[@Aotearoa_Kiwi]

Well that was a slam dunk. Flat Earthers can't argue with those facts!

[@dinoelasz6360]

Flat Earth logic: "The Earth isn't a globe. That's too hard for me to accept. However it is definitely a fact that NASA is trying to trick you for no apparent reason, and they're flying a series of planes every second just so they can fool an idiot like me into thinking that a space station exists..."🤣

[@-Baikal-]

Lmao, being that kind of NASA "whistleblower" is something I'd definitely do for shits and giggles just to see what kind of madness it would generate

[@Isolder74]

He’s using what is called a proof surrogate. It’s a way to lie while pretending to has an appeal to authority. The ‘whistleblower’ most likely never existed.

[@raidriar01]

Dude if I ever get a job at an actual aerospace company/organization like NASA or SpaceX (which I’m currently studying to do) I am so going to do that if they let me

[@deadturret4049]

Ngl its probably just another guy in with a nasa beanie. The nasa whistleblower crap is the boomer equivalent of "my dad works for nintendo"

[@patinthechat6452]

Nice to see DTRH making a good recovery after being set on fire by Professor Dave

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

Your ability to discuss the topic at hand and move it to your VPN sponsor is slick! *Way* better than most other channels

[@xMRxZEROx]

Wow. DITRH really is insane. Dudes just making shit up completely now. It's hilarious. Well done Dave. As always.

[@johnqpublic7608]

DIRT isn't insane. he's a conman.

[@SaiTorrKalFas]

"I do my own research!" "Ok then, measure the altitude of the ISS. Here's how you do it and the basic math involved." "Wait noooo that won't work because [reasons]"

[@clairebrown9740]

Hi Dave, I'm so glad your channel was recommended to me, I have been binge watching your previous videos, and I love them! You have a knack for making very difficult science easier to understand, so thank you! 😊💞

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Coincidentally the ISS passed over our little party this weekend. It was night time, so all we saw was a white dot, but it was still a cool surprise for all of us.

[@paganphil100]

Trying to educate "flat Earthers" is like trying to teach advanced nuclear physics to a worm.

[@RyanGoosing]

Do it enough times and eventually one will get it. I'm just here for the science lesson disguise as an anti-flerth video.

[@aaronboothproduction]

One of my "favorite" things about Flat Earthers is how often the idea they offer up to counter one agrument ends up disproving a bunch of other parts of their theory along the way.

[@PabloSanchez-qu6ib]

Yup. "Explaining" one thing at a time regardless of contradictions is the hallmark of conspiracies. Creationists do that too.

[@IAmTheShaz]

The mental gymnastics these flerfs go through to believe these strange ideas is amazing. They are gold medalists, if only in their own conspiracy laden bubble of flerfdom.. great video Dave!

[@ohedd]

What a futile exercise it is to argue with these people. It literally does not matter what you say.

[@meridiasbeacon7669]

Arguing with idiots is pointless, let them believe whatever stupid reality they’d like to tell themselves is real.

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

Hair spray

[@opelvectra2297]

@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexistingHey simpleton, your understanding of reality is very limited. I develop and test hair styling products, but treated hair strands don’t act like this.

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@opelvectra2297 you develop and test bologna.

[@opelvectra2297]

⁠​⁠@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexistingHey Cletus, your Bologna is not governed by the Cosmetics Regulation (1223/2009), therefore no. Instead of constantly making a fool out of yourself, what about bringing evidence for your fantasy pizza world stories?

[@h3069]

0:19 bro literally said the planes on 9/11 were holograms. Jesus Christ these people are just free content forever

[@SuV33358]

Ya ...I laughed when I saw that 😂

[@vetinaris1297]

That was an original conspiracy from a British Spy David Schafer, who became paranoid, became a whistlebower, then fled abroad and mental health juat declined into total paranoid conspiracies.

[@doomspud6302]

A perfect example of Occam's Razor. There is only one simple answer that fits all the observed data: The ISS is a space station orbiting the globe. Every alternative that space deniers can provide doesn't fit observed reality well enough to be acceptable, and/or it would require so much more effort to achieve that it simply isn't feasible. Demonstrable reality trumps the "demonstrable realists" once again.

[@senormooples2354]

The fact that their explanations are harder to conceivably do than the ISS itself

[@JayKillXRP]

I can still see the ISS in Philadelphianin sky when its over Nova Scotia 750 miles away.

[@Nehner]

Is the ISS real? Are the lights in the sky really the ISS? Can you really see the ISS in 300 to 400 km in the night sky with a good telescope or a good camera like the Nikon P 1000? It's not what you can see or what you can calculate - it's what you can prove. Lets start with a killer question. Can a vehicle WITHOUT A MOTOR get to a speed of 8times the fastest fighter- jet speed - and could do this 10 weeks in a row? Do you know of any vehicle who can fly 47.5 million km in 10 weeks WITHOUT A Motor? With 28,000 km per hour? 28,000 km per hour - that's nearly 8 times the speed of the fastest (fighter)jet in the world - the SR71? 3500 kmh. Look at the aerodynamic Design of the SR-71 and compare this with the footballfield-wide-kindergarten-"design" of the ISS. How will such a crap-vehicle WITHOUT A MOTOR ever gets to a speed of 8times the fastest fighter- jet speed? Easy answer: it will not. It is impossible. You say that is possible because in the vacuum there is no friction. But to make 47.5 million km in 10 weeks this shitty vehicle still needs a Motor for and fuel too, oxygen also. Which is not there. DONT FORGET also in vacuum there is no free ride. You have to have massive loads of fuel. And Oxygen. In vacuum density still works. If you do not move with the help of burning fuel - and are denser than the vacuum - the 450 ton antiaerodynamic crap will fall down - no matter what. It will crash. Inertia plays no role. Not having fuel plays a role. Density plays a role. Gravity is not existent. Never was. Only Density and buoyancy. Earth not a rotating globe kills Orbit too. There is no Orbit. Orbit is a myth. But but you can see a shining thing 300 to 400 km high in the sky? THE ISS has not the energy needed for big lights. In the night there is maybe only the light of the moon. Which will not "produce" a shining light on a ultrafast moving vehicle. First: don't argue with some nasa yt computer streaming shit. Only pictures from your own camera of something you will call is ISS. Hint: what you maybe seeing this is not the same thing which is based in a huge Texas swimming Pool.the Training Version of the ISS. thats the only one which is real. To identify the shining lights of the fakeISS do Research for the global hawk or a similar Tool with which goofballs like you are betrayed from them. Compare the aircrafts The US test aircraft X-15 was a rocket-powered experimental aircraft for high-altitude and high-speed flights. Length 15.5 m Height 3.9 m wingspan 6.7 m Flight altitude of 107.96 km Maximum speed 7274 km/h (Mach 6.72) Weight 17 tons Fuel capacity 12 tons Fuel consumption 5 tons per minute. After 2.24 min the tank was empty Range 450 km AERODYNAMIC FACTOR very high Lockheed SR 71 The Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird is a two-seat twin-engined long-range supersonic strategic reconnaissance aircraft. Wing Span 16,94 m 55 ft 7 in Length 32,74 m 107 ft 5 in Height 5,64 m 18 ft 6 in Maximum speed 3222 km/h 1740 kts 2002 mph (Mach 3.3+) Service Ceiling 25.908 m 85.000 ft Empty Weight 27.216 kg 60.000 lbs max. Takeoff Weight 77.110 kg 170.000 lbs Fuel capacity 65000 to 80000 pounds Fuel consumption 36,000 to 44,000 pounds of fuel per hour of flight. Range 1.5 to 2 hours. Up to 5000 km. Then had to be refueled AERODYNAMIC FACTOR very high B 747 - 4 different variants Length 70.6 m Height 19.4 m Wing span 66.0 -74.4 m Flight altitude from 10 - 12,000 m Top speed 1,000 km/h Weight: just under 400 tonnes Fuel capacity 144 - 173.6 tonnes Fuel consumption 10 tons per hour on average Range 9800 - 13450 KM AERODYNAMIC FACTOR high ISS Length 74 - 88 m Height 45 m wingspan 108 m Flight altitude 370- 460 km Maximum speed 28,800 km/h Weight 450 tons Fuel quantity 7 tons IN YEAR!!!! Fuel consumption ???? Range 10 weeks = 650,000 km per day x 73 days = approx. 48 mill. km AERODYNAMIC FACTOR grotty bad

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@Nehner Why can you only spam the same infantile script where you complain about how numbers confuse you? Why do you have no evidence whatsoever to support your religion?

[@opelvectra2297]

@@NehnerWenn du nicht so faul und verblendet wärst, könntest du selber Fotos von der ISS aufnehmen. Aber du willst ja deinen Flache Erde Kult hinterher rennen. Du bist ganz schön peinlich.

[@h.dejong2531]

@@Nehner Again, with the already-debunked nonsense. The ISS did not reach a speed of 8 km/s "without a motor". So your "killer question" falls apart right on the starting line. Again, you have no evidence, no arguments, just bullshit.

[@barrycraig1549]

You have to evaluate flat-earthers claims by observing how they conduct the rest of their life

[@sugarsammy7209]

*picks up goal posts and moves them again*

[@sntxrrr]

Even showing that any person with internet access and a good camera can determine that the ISS is up at about 400km will not persuade these folks. They don't want to know the truth, they just want to believe what they like.

[@HelterSkelter117]

He exhibited all the classic signs of a compulsive liar. I have known a few of those in my life, even had a first cousin and his son who were both compulsive liars. The dad was a cross country truck driver who swore he saw Bigfoot and that he could communicate with trees. The son tried to convince us all that he was a highly trained ninja who once gouged out a man's eyes because he was beating his wife in public.

[@cheseguy3397]

guys hear me out, what if the iss was flown up above 400 000 meters and put into orbit around a round earth

[@AndyMalish]

Oh the blasphemy!!! Dear child, go and say 3,000 Hail Marries, report mediately to confession and repent your sins.

[@Jadyra]

I think that NASA 'whistle-blower' was playing him. LOL

[@DanDaFreakinMan]

This time faking it is even more difficult than doing it for real.

[@zar3434]

So, the least aerodynamic plane ever, flying faster than any plane has ever flown. Yup, it's definitely a plane. /s

[@Mike98006]

"I was in communication with a NASA whistleblower" is code for "I met some guy online who claimed to be a NASA whistleblower" ;)

[@thebluehat6814]

fueling and maintaining all of those supposed 5 planes would cost them more than running the ISS; its astounding that flat earthers dont realize that some sort of stunt like that is just setting money on fire for the sake of... nothing?

[@John_Gillman]

also you could probably see refuelling planes take off and land

[@robadams1645]

I think a lot of these conspiracy nuts are Christian, and they believe that all of this effort and money is being spent for the sake of hiding the "truth" that the Earth is flat and covered by a dome. So the conspirators know that Christianity is the truth but they want to hide all the "evidence" so that the world can become atheist or something.

[@tedosullivan7888]

Ive seen the iss over vancouver on evening pretty cool to see it ! 3:54

[@Civilian_AF]

Must be a pretty fast plane to exhibit radio frequency Doppler shift. If you watch a radio waterfall, you can see when it begins passing, the frequency is higher than that stated by the actual iss website. When it starts going away from you, it will be lower. There are SDR websites you can use to listen to it and watch the frequency change. I think some ham radio operators should collaborate to help disprove the deniers.

[@horisview]

Websites for visibility of ISS and Starlink also work just fine. I used them several times and the objects were there at the given time and direction.

[@Nehner]

Is the ISS real? Are the lights in the sky really the ISS? Can you really see the ISS in 300 to 400 km in the night sky with a good telescope or a good camera like the Nikon P 1000? It's not what you can see or what you can calculate - it's what you can prove. Lets start with a killer question. Can a vehicle WITHOUT A MOTOR get to a speed of 8times the fastest fighter- jet speed - and could do this 10 weeks in a row? Do you know of any vehicle who can fly 47.5 million km in 10 weeks WITHOUT A Motor? With 28,000 km per hour? 28,000 km per hour - that's nearly 8 times the speed of the fastest (fighter)jet in the world - the SR71? 3500 kmh. Look at the aerodynamic Design of the SR-71 and compare this with the footballfield-wide-kindergarten-"design" of the ISS. How will such a crap-vehicle WITHOUT A MOTOR ever gets to a speed of 8times the fastest fighter- jet speed? Easy answer: it will not. It is impossible. You say that is possible because in the vacuum there is no friction. But to make 47.5 million km in 10 weeks this shitty vehicle still needs a Motor for and fuel too, oxygen also. Which is not there. DONT FORGET also in vacuum there is no free ride. You have to have massive loads of fuel. And Oxygen. In vacuum density still works. If you do not move with the help of burning fuel - and are denser than the vacuum - the 450 ton antiaerodynamic crap will fall down - no matter what. It will crash. Inertia plays no role. Not having fuel plays a role. Density plays a role. Gravity is not existent. Never was. Only Density and buoyancy. Earth not a rotating globe kills Orbit too. There is no Orbit. Orbit is a myth. But but you can see a shining thing 300 to 400 km high in the sky? THE ISS has not the energy needed for big lights. In the night there is maybe only the light of the moon. Which will not "produce" a shining light on a ultrafast moving vehicle. First: don't argue with some nasa yt computer streaming shit. Only pictures from your own camera of something you will call is ISS. Hint: what you maybe seeing this is not the same thing which is based in a huge Texas swimming Pool.the Training Version of the ISS. thats the only one which is real. To identify the shining lights of the fakeISS do Research for the global hawk or a similar Tool with which goofballs like you are betrayed from them. Compare the aircrafts The US test aircraft X-15 was a rocket-powered experimental aircraft for high-altitude and high-speed flights. Length 15.5 m Height 3.9 m wingspan 6.7 m Flight altitude of 107.96 km Maximum speed 7274 km/h (Mach 6.72) Weight 17 tons Fuel capacity 12 tons Fuel consumption 5 tons per minute. After 2.24 min the tank was empty Range 450 km AERODYNAMIC FACTOR very high Lockheed SR 71 The Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird is a two-seat twin-engined long-range supersonic strategic reconnaissance aircraft. Wing Span 16,94 m 55 ft 7 in Length 32,74 m 107 ft 5 in Height 5,64 m 18 ft 6 in Maximum speed 3222 km/h 1740 kts 2002 mph (Mach 3.3+) Service Ceiling 25.908 m 85.000 ft Empty Weight 27.216 kg 60.000 lbs max. Takeoff Weight 77.110 kg 170.000 lbs Fuel capacity 65000 to 80000 pounds Fuel consumption 36,000 to 44,000 pounds of fuel per hour of flight. Range 1.5 to 2 hours. Up to 5000 km. Then had to be refueled AERODYNAMIC FACTOR very high B 747 - 4 different variants Length 70.6 m Height 19.4 m Wing span 66.0 -74.4 m Flight altitude from 10 - 12,000 m Top speed 1,000 km/h Weight: just under 400 tonnes Fuel capacity 144 - 173.6 tonnes Fuel consumption 10 tons per hour on average Range 9800 - 13450 KM AERODYNAMIC FACTOR high ISS Length 74 - 88 m Height 45 m wingspan 108 m Flight altitude 370- 460 km Maximum speed 28,800 km/h Weight 450 tons Fuel quantity 7 tons IN YEAR!!!! Fuel consumption ???? Range 10 weeks = 650,000 km per day x 73 days = approx. 48 mill. km AERODYNAMIC FACTOR grotty bad

[@Nehner]

Gregory Lessing Garrett: Why Rockets Don't Work in the Vacuum of Outer Space. Rockets do not work in outer space, only in the atmosphere. A rocket works by the principle of recoil. For the recoil of a rocket there always needs to be a counterweight. In the atmosphere, this is the air and the atmospheric pressure. In water, this is the water and the water pressure. In space there is no pressure, no resistance either, which is why no rockets work in space. The claim that a rocket is pushed forward by a pressure build-up in the combustion chamber - is a lie. The pressure in a pressure chamber pushes equally in all directions. As soon as you let the pressure out into a vacuum, you only reduce the internal pressure of the pressure chamber. The liquid fuel is burnt and converted into a gaseous state of aggregation. This quantity of gas has too little mass to set a rocket or spaceship in motion in a vacuum. For example, if you want to reach a speed of 100 km/h in 10 minutes with a spaceship weighing 100 tonnes, you need an additional mass of at least 100 tonnes to push the spaceship away from it. The mass of a rocket to be ejected is therefore much too small to move forward and manoeuvre in a vacuum. Propulsion is always based on molecules slamming into molecules that have a different momentum (either an atmosphere or a solid surface). Whether it's a rotor blade, a spinning wheel or an airplane jet engine, it's all the same principle. Some KZbin Videos proclaim that rockets can fly in vacuum. But in 99% of the cases the vacuum container is too small, apart from the wall being too close you also have to realize that as soon as the gas comes out you're creating an atmosphere and it's not a vacuum anymore. So it is not as it would be in vacuum. Nasa scientist Wernher von Braun declared space travel impossible. He wrote it would take 3 rockets the size of the Empire State Building to have enough fuel to reach the moon. Nothing ever went to space.

[@throwawayavclubber7269]

@@Nehner You're quoting Gregory Lessing Garrett? Hilarious.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@Nehner Gregory Lessing Garrett is a plagiarist who just makes thing up. Tell me one single physics course that he has ever taken.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@Nehner Why can you only spam the same infantile script where you complain about how numbers confuse you? Why do you have no evidence whatsoever to support your religion?

[@Shabanezloth]

Flerfers : "How can anyone believe that we live on a spinning ball in space? Ridiculous!" Flerfers, in the same breath : "Millions a scientist all across the world are lying to the whole Earth population awhileperfectly recreating the phenomenons we'd expect on a globe to keep us all in the dark about the truth!"