Debunking Myths And Lies About The Inquisition | The Catholic Talk Show

[@withremnanthearts]

Innocent until proven guilty, universities, hospitals, music notation, artistic edification, beer, what have the Roman Catholic Church ever done for us?

[@Runsfrombears]

With Remnant Hearts they built the aquaducts....

[@MacrossSD]

@With Remnant Hearts Absolution of sins through confession...

[@albertoascari2542]

If you look at the Reformation in the UK you see Priests, Ordinary Catholic which all English and Scots were murdered, hung drawn and quartered. Told to recant the Catholiv faith or be murdered, hung, denied property, tittle taken away, imprisonment. The Mases were held in secret for 250 years, there are Priest holes everywhere to hide the Priests. This is our History in the UK. Same goes in Bosnia when Turks murdered Priests and stole sons to make them Muslim. Its a phenonon like with Puritans who murdered Catholics . Same in France in the Religous Wars. I am off Part Hugoneot Stock and were ecpell3e from France Protestanst Hugonoets. But you have to realise these Wars were Wars of Men not God or the Whole Church

[@nothim7321]

Okay, beer has been around way before the Catholic Church. Innocent until proven guilty preexists the Catholic Church. The Church historian in this episode even admits that. It was later codified again by the Church. Give credit where and how it is due.

[@martincouture6785]

The Roman Catholic Church has built the majority of European civilization. From the Benedictine Monks in Germany to the Roman Catholic Monks in Spain, Roman Catholicism has greatly contributed to society. Not to mention the Big Bang Theory as well.

[@asunder6797]

It's always illuminating to know who's asking the questions and who's supplying the answers.

[@jamesmerone]

I've been waiting for you guys to do this episode. Oh 👏🏾 my 👏🏾 gosh 👏🏾 yes

[@joshportie]

Too bad it's pure lies.

[@tryhardf844]

@@joshportie Lies? Inquisitions typically involved a judicial process that aimed at confession and conversion. Local bishops working with local authorities under local circumstances usually conducted the inquisitorial courts. Their goal was to secure a person’s repentance for heretical views or for engaging in activities contrary to the faith. If that goal was not achieved and the person persisted in serious heresy, he would be turned over to the secular authorities. The Church conducted the investigations and trials. Punishment was left to the hands of the secular authorities. In Protestant states after the Reformation, the state conducted the investigation and trial and imposed punishment. An inquisition as a formal Church process was not codified until the thirteenth century. This formal institution was primarily to reserve to the Church the right to address heresy, as opposed to mob rule and the oft-incoherent secular courts that had frequently handled heresy over the previous two hundred years. It was a particular response, however, to the Albigensian Crusade of the early part of the thirteenth century that led the Church to formalize the inquisition courts.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Sanhedrin got their Roman ruler to do their murder of Christ for them.

[@justinspainard]

The 'Holy" Inquisition was started in France, I don't recall when but in fact many Templars Knight's along with their Master's were persecuted and then executed by the French Inquisition with the okay of the King which he wrongfully accused them of being heretics along with others who didn't wanted to convert

[@31terikennedy]

They weren't executed by the Church.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

The catholic version of history is quite DIFFERENT than all other sources.

[@0311catholic]

It's really not though, people like Alexander hisslop and others ignored it

[@ginachu3654]

If I had that inquisition question, I'd say "first of all, I'd ask more questions and have them clarify, second, if they lie about always lying, that does not mean he was automatically telling the truth before, cuz u can still lie without ALWAYS lying

[@Joe-ew5mp]

I just wanted to say that if a man states that he always lies, he cannot be telling the truth. It is possible that he sometimes lies, in which case the statement that he only tells lies would be untrue.

[@ntmn8444]

I get what you all are trying to say, but no matter how you spin it, thousands of people were forced to convert. Many fled and others died, while others converted. I’ve been doing some research for a while about this, and I am a descendant of forcibly converted Jews. No matter how you spin it, it’s wrong, and I think the church should own up to its mistakes. We’ve made mistakes, and we shouldn’t try to excuse it away. No one is perfect.

[@davidhunter2393]

I know and I also know that they mean well too...

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

5️⃣ 2️⃣ Million Europeans were *Targeted *Interrogated *Exiled *Robbed *Jailed *Tortured and/or *Murdered. This lasted 6️⃣ Centuries.

[@Cobe1976]

It has owned up to them. When has Protestant England owned up to its mistakes of transatlantic African slavery and native American extermination?

[@galaxytractor]

The idea here isn't that Catholocism is innocent of everything, only that many actions that are attributed to the 'church' are not actually correct. Education to reality is not 'spin'.

[@jamesrobertson432]

You guys should be ashamed. Never once did you criticize the Catholic Church's role. Even John Paul II apologised on behalf of The Catholic Church for supporting violence in The Spanish Inquisition (not an apology for supporting The Inquisition itself but I digress).

[@HailMaryFullofGrace-tt4du]

It’s not necessary to make critique of the catholic b/c at the start of the video it was made clear that the origin of inquisition has political motives on behalf of the state.

[@eve3363]

Catholicism, Orthodox, Judaism, Islam. They are all the same because they hate Jesus and his teachings

[@marynadononeill]

"I am not the omnicscient corner of my own universe" Thank you, Thank you Father Pagano! This powerful truth bomb strengthened my faith instantaneously. Praise be Jesus Christ. Viva Cristo Rey.

[@LostArchivist]

Hmm, self-inquisition, that may have some use as a personal discipline. By that I mean periodically scrutinizing one's beliefs and life to ensure they are in proper line with good Catholic doctrine and praxis, probably just the same as an examination of conscience, though now that I think about it.

[@lcringo3498]

Shouldn't your life and doctrines be in line with Jesus' Life instead of the dubious practices of sinful, fallible, error-prone menand thier claims? ANYBODY? 😐😐😐

[@lcringo3498]

@Terry Tater THANK YOU!! The so-called "Angelic Doctor" himself, Thomas Aquinas , advocated for the State to execute supposed heretics; what authentic Christian has any business in soliciting the death of ANY HUMAN BEING!! REFLECT, PEOPLE!!! 🤔🤔🤔

[@tryhardf844]

@@lcringo3498 Thomas Aquinas's' arguments have been used by protestants like WLC and Ravi Zacharias. I wonder why? Prots have been piggybacking catholic theologians since the early church fathers(who were catholic).

[@lcringo3498]

@@tryhardf844 First,that depends on what YOU mean by "early church fathers... how early are you talking about? The majority of the earliest Christians,so-called "fathers"included,were people of Jewish descent who came to believe that Jesus the Christ was the expected Messiah, so...🤔🤔🤔

[@lcringo3498]

@@tryhardf844 As I was about to say,no one is saying that theologians such as Aquinas and those of his ilk were always wrong; of course not. But there is NO cleaning up his advocacy of the State executing supposed heretics; I will NEVER give him an excuse for that, no matter WHAT EXCUSE anyone comes up with, PERIOD!! 👹👹👹

[@GlobalDestinations-USA]

I love shows like this, thanks you

[@cmoonkite]

Did the Catholic Church torture or/and burn people at the stake?

[@the2494silvester]

Can you do a video on the Orthodox church or the Schism? If there is one, can I have the link please?

[@TitoCarpentry73]

Thank you the Catholic talk show...I always watch your videos, they are really informative..God bless.

[@jasonroach6209]

Father Pagano, I love when you get on the soapbox. Always a good flow of thought and what I feed off of most during these shows. Thank you!

[@tryhardf844]

@Terry Tater They are not lying: Inquisitions typically involved a judicial process that aimed at confession and conversion. Local bishops working with local authorities under local circumstances usually conducted the inquisitorial courts. Their goal was to secure a person’s repentance for heretical views or for engaging in activities contrary to the faith. If that goal was not achieved and the person persisted in serious heresy, he would be turned over to the secular authorities. The Church conducted the investigations and trials. Punishment was left to the hands of the secular authorities. In Protestant states after the Reformation, the state conducted the investigation and trial and imposed punishment. An inquisition as a formal Church process was not codified until the thirteenth century. This formal institution was primarily to reserve to the Church the right to address heresy, as opposed to mob rule and the oft-incoherent secular courts that had frequently handled heresy over the previous two hundred years. It was a particular response, however, to the Albigensian Crusade of the early part of the thirteenth century that led the Church to formalize the inquisition courts.

[@tryhardf844]

@Terry Tater Protestants are the one hushing history up. Funny how you cite one influential guy(who btw is not a historian and yet a comedian) And yet i can cite 3 Oxford historians.Take your pick Terry.

[@tryhardf844]

@Terry Tater Oh. On doing research i found this: He tarried awhile in several Italian cities, and in 1579 went to Geneva, where he seems to have adopted the Calvinist faith, although afterwards, before the ecclesiastical tribunal at Venice, he steadfastly denied that he had ever joined the Reformed Church. This much at least is certain; he was excommunicated by the Calvinist Council on account of his disrespectful attitude towards the heads of that Church and was obliged to leave the city. Thence he went to Toulouse, Lyons, and (in 1581) to Paris. At Lyons he completed his “Clavis Magna”, or “Great Key” to the art of remembering. In Paris he published several works which further developed his art of memory-training and revealed the two-fold influence of Raymond Lully and the neo-Platonists. In 1582 he published a characteristic work, “Il candelaio”, or “The Torchbearer”, a satire in which he exhibits in a marked degree the false taste then in vogue among the humanists, many of whom mistook obscenity for humor. While at Paris he lectured publicly on philosophy, under the auspices, as it seems, of the College of Cambrai, the forerunner of the College of France. In 1583 he crossed over to England, and, for a time at least, enjoyed the favor of Queen Elizabeth and the friendship of Sir Philip Sidney. To the latter he dedicated the most bitter of his attacks on the Catholic Church, “Il spaccio della bestia trionfante”, “The Expulsion of the Triumphant Beast”, published in 1584. He visited Oxford, and, on being refused the privilege of lecturing there, he published (1584) his “Cena delle ceneri”, or “Ash-Wednesday Supper”, in which he attacked the Oxford professors, saying that they knew more about beer than about Greek. In 1585 he returned to France, and during the year which he spent in Paris at this time made several attempts to become reconciled to the Catholic Church, all of which failed because of his refusal to accept the condition imposed, namely, that he should return to his order. In Germany, whither he went in 1587, he showed the same spirit of insolent self-assertion as at Oxford. In Helmstadt he was excommunicated by the Lutherans. After some time spent in literary activity at Frankfort, he went, in 1591, to Venice at the invitation of Mocenigo, who professed to be interested in his system of memory-training. Failing to obtain from Bruno the secret of his “natural magic”, Mocenigo denounced him to the Inquisition. Bruno was arrested, and in his trial before the Venetian inquisitors first took refuge in the principle of “two-fold truth”, saying that the errors imputed to him were held by him “as a philosopher, and not as an honest Christian“; later, however, he solemnly abjured all his errors and doubts in the matter of Catholic doctrine and practice (Berti, Docum., XII, 22 and XIII, 45). At this point the Roman Inquisition intervened and requested his extradition. After some hesitation the Venetian authorities agreed, and in February, 1593, Bruno was sent to Rome, and for six years was kept in the prison of the Inquisition. Historians have striven in vain to discover the explanation of this long delay on the part of the Roman authorities. In the spring of 1599, the trial was begun before a commission of the Roman Inquisition, and, after the accused had been granted several terms of respite in which to retract his errors, he was finally condemned (January, 1600), handed over to the secular power (February 8), and burned at the stake in the Campo dei Fiori in Rome (February 17). Bruno was not condemned for his defense of the Copernican system of astronomy, nor for his doctrine of the plurality of inhabited worlds, but for his theological errors, among which were the following: that Christ was not God but merely an unusually skillful magician, that the Holy Ghost is the soul of the world, that the Devil will be saved, etc. So Giordano was burned for saying and not regretting that the devil was a good guy.😐😐😐 On the other hand, the exaggerations, the limitations, and the positive errors of his scientific system; his intolerance of even those who were working for the reforms to which he was devoted; the false analogies, fantastic allegories, and sophistical reasonings into which his emotional fervor often betrayed him have justified, in the eyes of many, Bayle’s characterization of him as “the knight-errant of philosophy” They gave him 4 chances,but he did not repent. Truly an insane man killed among the other 499 people by the spanish inquisition.

[@tryhardf844]

@Terry Tater Younger generations? That was not really an issue.And it still isn't. It means not to curse nor swear using the Lord's name. Something that our dear Bruno did that got him killed. 🍻

[@tryhardf844]

@Terry Tater Vanity is vanity,yes.I agree,no excuse for that matter. South american tribes did not vanished,no one told you to pretend unless you are hiding something from me. And yes,the youth is the future(im young as well).💪🏻 Cheers Terry.Have a good one.

[@toml.8210]

When I hear the word "Inquisition ," I think of the scene from Mel Brook's "History of the World."

[@gilbertotoledo1421]

Curiously a lot of Spanish speaking countries had inquisitorial justice systems not too long ago. Mexico recently replaced its old inquisitorial system to a new accusatorial system more similar to the American justice system.

[@Gpacharlie]

In context what were the numbers of citizens put to death for other crimes in that period? In other words was torture and death a common punishment for non-religious crimes?

[@robertcaperna1551]

Your talk show host at 27:56 to 28:02 made the statement that the king was a representative of Christ the King. Really Sir? So Louis XIV was a representative of the Christ?! Have you, all of you forgotten that our Country was founded because of a rebellion to kingship? Have you all also forgotten that the Age of Enlightenment, that you always boo, gave us the beginnings of modern science, the periodic table in chemistry, opera, the concerto, improvements to musical instruments, art that focused not just on religion, political free thinking; tabula rasa and more. I’d love a reply from you on my comments.

[@drjohndee4322]

I am not catholic but I really enjoyed this video. I learned a lot from it.

[@davidhurt410]

You learned catholic lies & propaganda. Watch the dark history of the catholic inquisition. After each section they have a catholic priest give their views. That's a little better than having sympathetic sycophants of the church to explain to you why the history is not true. How ridiculous to believe these men! That's the fox guarding the hen house.

[@JohnAsinimali]

It is important to note that the inquisitional freak out over converted Muslims and Jews is that the Ottoman Turks had almost conquered Malta with help from North African Muslim states/emirates. The Spanish monarchs, people, and church were terrified, especially at this time, that these converts would serve as a fifth column for an Ottoman Turkish invasion. After the threat of an Ottoman invasion retreated, the inquisition focused less on the converts and more on heretics and Protestants.

[@jamesrountree3991]

Secularism only really denotes to the separation of church and state, other than that there is no ideologically framed belief system, unlike a curtain theocracy, liberalism or conservatism

[@MarciesWhimsySoaps]

Are you kidding me? Even St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the cross were harrassed by the inquisition! They were horrible!

[@MarciesWhimsySoaps]

@Frances The inquisition burned most of St.Teresa's books and were trying to condemn her because of her writings. They had to get help to retrieve them from the inquisition. St. John was actually arrested by them and was tortured. He escaped from divine intervention. The inquisition was cruel and wrong.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Only EVIL could have fueled these ATROCITIES for 6 Centuries. Satan continues to keep people away from The Gospel Truth and possibly of Salvation. He had/has human helpers.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Anyone with political or military or financial or religious power, especially anyone with access to the Word of GOD who was part of The Inquisitions is GUILTY. GOD and His Word are unchanging so “put atrocities in context of time & place” is an unacceptable whitewash tactic. CHRIST by example did not ever force anyone to believe in or follow Him. Nor is there anything in the New Testament that allows anything done by the RCC during The Inquisitions. WHO murdered Christ ? Sanhedrin or Governor ?

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

But it is very interesting to learn about the Inquisition from another angle Thank you. to us in the family told only about the suffering of our ancestors

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

@Catholic Truth Shame on you I choose to risk myself, if my family finds out about my Catholic faith really all my family and friends will not talk to me. I pray for Jesus to forgive you for your sins

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

@Catholic Truth" 16 For I see no reason to be ashamed of the gospel; it is God's power for the salvation of everyone who has faith -- Jews first, but Greeks as well"

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

@Catholic Truth Pope John XXIII As the Church, like a mother, condemns most severely injustices committed against innocent people everywhere, so she raises her voice in loud protest against all wrongs done to Jews, whether in the past or in our time. Whoever despises or persecutes this people does injury to the Catholic Church.

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

@Catholic Truth catholic.co.il/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2130:pope-francis-a-christian-cannot-be-anti-semitic&catid=64&lang=en&Itemid=127

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

Pope Francis: “A Christian cannot be anti-Semitic”

[@AarontheGreatXCII-kn4gj]

The Inquisition wiped out Albagensiens

[@LuffyuzumakiPotter]

who where the equivalent of sex only for pleasure and hated social civility along with other supperticions as matter is bad, matter must be hated and helped to expand aids.

[@cmoonkite]

​@LuffyuzumakiPotter this is not true. They were very good people. Just because they did not believe as the Roman Catholic's did; is no reason to wipe them out!

[@republicradio431]

"I allways lie" is always false, anyone who has ever said this has said the truth at lest once in its life

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

Popular inquisitor tropes are supposed to shame the Church, but let's be honest, they're cool as shit. "The crime is your foul existence, the sentence is death!" -Victor Saltzpyre

[@brittanybradford9239]

Problem was you had corrupt inquisitors who were sinners themselves. Also any religion that's not catholic was heresy. Also what they left out was the torture methods of confession the inquisitors used. Which was sick

[@bonnieboudreau1670]

The decision to create an inquisition was an emotional reaction to fear of loss of power. How can this be justified when Jesus says I have not given you a spirit of fear!! If fear is talking it is not the Holy Spirit. I can’t find fear as a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Why did they not eat of the word of God that says greater is he that is in me then he that is in the world?

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Fear ? I don’t discern any fear whatsoever. Inquisitions (plural) that lasted for 6 centuries must have been demonically fueled to kill, steal and destroy.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

You think - Emotional reaction. I think- Political plan.

[@jamesajiduah2001]

Nobody messes with the Spanish Inquisition!!!!

[@alskarmode]

James Ajiduah Nobody ever expects it!

[@IvyLeather13]

Oye Gevult!

[@alfray1072]

Queen Isabella should be a saint

[@yshchrist3015]

*"33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.* *34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.* *35 A good man out of the treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.* *36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.* *37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."* *MATTHEW 12* KJV

[@alfray1072]

The Catholic church developed western civilization, it is the church that propagated and defended Christendom for 2000 years. Protestants (j_u_d_aizers) mocked and divided Christendom for 500 years that led to secularism and communism

[@ronaldlatchman1268]

@@alfray1072 you seem to believe that Jesus ordered torture and slaughter to those who disagreed with him. Since the catholic Church is incapable of true repentance for its sins God inspired Revelation 17&18 for the appointed time of her judgement.

[@bridgefin]

@@ronaldlatchman1268 Churches can't sin. Only humans can and they can repent or not. Jesus is head of his church so whatever he might do to the church he does to himself. Expect the church to enter into glory and not condemnation.

[@ronaldlatchman1268]

@@bridgefin Of course I expect the Church to enter into glory and not condemnation. I am a member of Christ as well. But haven't you ever read according to the words of Peter himself, " For the time has come for JUDGEMENT to begin at the house of God: and if it begins with US FIRST, what will be the end of those who DO NOT OBEY the GOSPEL OF GOD." (1 Peter 4:17). So my friend it will begin with us FIRST and since the Catholic Church claims to be the FIRST and ONLY CHURCH , then Revelation 17& 18 is in order. Even some of your traditional catholics (Taylor Marshall) is NOW saying what many protestants has been saying for centuries.

[@bridgefin]

@@ronaldlatchman1268 All get judged and first will be God's Church. But woe to those who do not obey God. That has nothing to do with Revelation which relates to the Roman emperors who tried to eliminate Christianity by torturing and murdering innocent Catholic believers.

[@generalissimo_o]

I was not expecting this.

[@MagicalGirlRose319]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[@ginnygrafton3058]

A junior high school teacher asked can God make a Boulder that he can't move. Stupid question: whoever said there were things couldn't do? Actually, God cannot do anything that is not in his nature...love, mercy, justice. Etc . what do you say? How many angels can dance on the end of a pin? The answer is ...who cares?

[@emet6306]

Yeh, and the fox didn't really kill my chickens... I must believe the fox.. got it, thanks...

[@galaxytractor]

People believe what they want to believe.

[@seannel4996]

From Wikipedia, Pope John Paul II on 12 August 1993 in Denver (Colorado) Pope John Paul II made many apologies. During his long reign as Pope, he apologized to Jews, women, people convicted by the Inquisition, Muslims killed by the Crusaders and almost everyone who had suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church over the years

[@versatilelord8893]

I think he’s just being humble and not wanting to point fingers at anyone

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Not impressed. Admitting known historical facts isn’t impressive. Removing 151 Anathemas would indicate remorse & repentance.

[@joesphlessing2876]

What's up with all the idols on the table the one thing the Catholic Church it won't give up their idols to worship or to pray to

[@patriot4780]

I’m a former Roman Catholic, I left years ago, and I’m so glad I did. The RCC preaches another gospel, and has deceived many, many people.

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

The Inquisition is a painful point in my family and in my people my ancestral Jewish people were expelled from Portugal and suffered severely under the Inquisition much like the Crusades where my family suffered greatly. I love the Catholic Church and the New Testament so much and I forgive the church, but we have to remember the suffering the church has caused to Jews and Muslims in the past.

[@CatholicTalkShow]

We can understand that, but as the episode points out, the Inquisition could not target Jews. The expulsion of the Jews from Spain and Portugal, while tragic and upsetting, was a separate occurrence from the Inquisition.

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

@@CatholicTalkShow Thank you so much for responding with or regardless of the Inquisition. Pope John 23 changed the policy toward the Jews and apologized for the antisemitism that was in the past and supported the creation of communities in the Holy Land of Catholics who are also part of the Jewish people. Which is why I am grateful to the church for its courage that made me fall in love with the church. Unfortunately the Jews have not changed their policy towards Christianity yet the rabbis preach the hatred of Christianity and the Church

[@Runsfrombears]

נדב בנימיני לוינשטיין read “the history of the Catholic Church” by Eusebius.

[@נדבבנימינילוינשטיין]

@@Runsfrombears Why do you recommend this book?

[@JPX7NGD]

Try "Bearing False Witness" by Rodney Stark

[@justamannn8674]

Ok so I’m trying to be open minded here guys. And boy do I appreciate the info. But guys please... listen to your own podcast. This sound little more than classic constrain denial. I’m in your channel to listen to the other side of the story. Yet I’m not so naive as to think your “evidences” and expert are not just reading from and explaining from Officail Catholic written helps and history. Take some time and study Peter Waldo. Read up a little on the Anabaptists. Any way you seem like good dudes. Have a great weekend.

[@justamannn8674]

@O R I gotta agree with ya. Indoctrination and ritual are extremely powerful tools to overcome it would seem.

[@colleenposey9552]

@O R I hear ya. But I have come from Protestant background where I saw corruption in every single Church. The point is that where man is, also lies evil. And where men of faith are, there is good. I refuse to leave the Church because I fight against the heresies inside our own Church. But there are so many great men and women of faith who are light in the darkness as Christ commanded. He commanded to be the light in the beast of the belly. Your ideals don’t fit across the board. I am an American and proud to be part of it. But I also resist against the evil government officials that attack our own freedoms. Christian Romans didn’t leave Rome but laid down their lives to fight evil with love and sacrifice. They stood for what they believed and their being Roman did not stop them in following Christ first. So as a Catholic, I follow the Church that Christ formed through St. Peter. We have 2000 years of grace mistakes. And all old faiths including new faiths today have screwed up because of fallible. But we must not surrender of Churches to evil but resist the evil veins that continue to try and destroy MY Church. God bless and thank you for your reply. I do completely understand where you are coming from. Hopefully, I have helped you understand where Catholics like I come from. God bless!

[@TransGurlGamer]

So I if I understand thier "explanation" they are saying that ponchos pilot wasn't guilty of crucifiying christ cause he was just following the law right.

[@sapereaude6339]

@@TransGurlGamer Well, the inquisition was just.

[@TransGurlGamer]

@@sapereaude6339 by the logic in this video pretty much anything is justified

[@WilliamFlemming-gk3cn]

Complacent and equally guilty of murder.the more you try explain and shift guilt, the more guilty you are.What a shame,a pitiful attempt.

[@timothydunn438]

" The myth of the Spanish Inquisition"? Sorry, I need listen no further. Quite the fantastic alternate history.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

They look & sound so very pleased with their version of well known historical facts. Not buying what they’re selling.

[@piratesapper]

Christ condemned a person trying to seek power in the way you are speaking when he said (often used by Protestants to condemn the Catholic faith) (forgive me about the language being not exact) to “call no man father”. He was speaking about a lord type of father/teacher.

[@MagicalGirlRose319]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[@markharrison2058]

Actually, pretty much everyone did. People were terrified of them.

[@alexmag342]

"conspiracy theories" they were right especially about the Judas, Iudea Delenda Est

[@mashah1085]

So why does the modern Vatican have to keep apologizing for things the previous Vaticans did?

[@tonyroque8262]

And yet they revered those statues on the table! Wow!

[@Ninishiningleaf]

Imagine a group of nazi descendants having a round table discussion excusing the practice of their ancestors. Or a group of white apartheid descendants justifying their ancestors choices around apartheid south Africa. How else can I describe what I'm seeing here?

[@RedShnow]

12 minutes in. What a shame these men. Millions and millions of Christian's were tortured and executed by the "universal" "church" for the crime of translating, possessing, and distributing the gospel. Do you hear this from these men. Shame on them. Truly shameful.

[@jamesrobertson432]

I know it was disgusting that they never criticized The Catholic Church.

[@Leo-uq6jp]

Those are the lies they are talking about

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

The Sanhedrin & The Vatican both used others to carry out their murders for them. Let’s hear about the Popes who authorized 6 centuries of atrocities.

[@alrichard5202]

What difference did it make, tomato, tamato ,,, they were all involved and did nothing, excuses excuses, in every society, ... Thou shall not get caught....

[@pmajudge]

GOT BACK TO THE CATHOLIC TALK SHOW. 😇😇😇😇😇😇💯💯💯💖💖💖💖 I ENJOYED SOME MONTHS AGO 🌹🌹🌹🌹💐💐💐💐💐✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝. SUPER GREAT CHATS/ LIVELY / FUN / WELL DONE ! 💐💐💐🌹🌹🌹AND MANY MANY THANKS !! HOWEVER, " THE INQUISTION WAS HORRENDEOUSLY & HORRIFICALLY NASTY ERA" FROM, THE UNITED KINGDOM, (2024). PLEASE PRAY FOR THE WESTERN HEMPHISPHERE. ITS REALLY GONE " WACKY" ! "STUPID" !! "IGNORANT " !!! "BRUTAL " DUE TO THE W.E.F. -- DAVOS / SECRETS SOCIETIES / AND WEALTHY MILLIONARES / BILLIONARES/ TRILLIONARES / QUADRILLIONS/ FUNDING ALL SECRET SOCIETIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD !!! BEING RICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ITS HOW ITS ABUSED !!!!!! HUMANS ARE TOTALLY SELF IMPORTANCE . FROM, THE UNITED KINGDOM.(2024).

[@WillySF]

This conversation makes me thankful for the idea of separation of Church and State

[@stevegovea1]

Catholic position basically: "My bad" 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ And to prove your innocent is basically saying... Your guilty til proven innocent.

[@DiscipleFiveActual]

One thing to keep in mind is that the *post-Reformation* British Empire (of which the US; yet another global superpower, itself is an offshoot) ruled more people and territory than anyone else in history, and that should explain a large part of why this slanderous version of Catholic history is so widely proliferated.

[@patrickconnolly7799]

This appears to be damage control after you become a priest. Protect your ego. At Jesuit schools I attended, even they would be horrified by this spin here on KZbin. Let it go, just do the work of Jesus without wasting your time defending history. Nevertheless, thanks for your service to sweet baby Jesus.

[@iznon]

Man, I'd hate to see what type of mental gymnastics these guys would do to defend the Church in the child abuse crisis. Acknowledge the Truth guys, devils and saints have always existed in the Church and by trying to minimize the evils you are not aligned with the good.

[@IvyLeather13]

Well said. I'm neither christian nor atheist but your words are well put.

[@lukeulibarri3924]

It seems to me that you might have already made up your mind about what they might think on that matter before hearing about it. What makes you think that they or anyone would defend child abuse? The evil priests and bishops involved were wrong and deserve to be punished. They do not represent the Church despite being members thereof. Try not to make assumptions or over-generalize and God bless.

[@iznon]

@@lukeulibarri3924 You assume too much.

[@lukeulibarri3924]

@@iznon "I assume too much" and yet you do not address anything that I had stated without deflecting.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

Billy Graham's grandson investigated "If you just look at these numbers, they tell us that more children are being abused within Protestant churches than in the Catholic Church" premierchristian.news/en/news/article/billy-graham-s-grandson-blames-the-church-for-protecting-child-sex-abusers www.vice.com/en/article/xwwd3w/billy-grahams-grandson-says-protestants-abuse-kids-just-like-catholics

[@frederickanderson1860]

The history is written by the victors. The victims have no voice.in their records of any event. Cathars and knight Templars have no voice recorded only their trials and its from the churches point of views.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

👆Exactly. RCC has their version of history. Some people DON’T Trust the UN-trustworthy.

[@ginachu3654]

Jesus and pope francis were saying yes the whole time

[@donquique1]

Fine, not that many people died. But to gloss over the torture with the typical catholic response of well it was the secular authority that tortured is a weak and despicable position to take.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

According to RCC, 4% of Clerics were Sexual Sinners/Abusers. (10% according to Other sources) I check out everything “the church” reports before I believe a thing. I suspect more people were murdered than is admitted. It was 6 centuries of Hunting Heretics.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

👆Their version IS despicable and quite different than what’s reported by real historians. RCC *Targeted *Interrogated *Robbed *Jailed *Exiled *Tortured *Murdered 5️⃣2️⃣ Million for 6️⃣ Centuries. At any time, any pope could have written a bull to end the atrocities.

[@WillySF]

Pineapple on pizza is only acceptable along with jalapeños

[@davidhurt410]

I'm sure that they didn't burn all those Cathars & other people alive either.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

20,000 in one day.

[@TheRob138]

Now ur laughing about racism what wrong with the Dominican people? I know alot of dominican people and they are wonderful human beings

[@ethanbarganier2739]

No one expects the inquisition😂

[@TheRob138]

"good conscience" you guys are laughing and joking at innocent people being tortured and killed. Why is torture so funny guys? Thats just wrong u guys should be canceled who laughs at evil atrocities like that? 😮

[@CatholicTalkShow]

Cancelled? 😂

[@stevenv6463]

Wouldn't this make what happened to the martyrs of Cordoba where 48 people were executed for publicly blaspheming Islam much less bad than the Inquisition?

[@colleenposey9552]

Interesting that you brought up St. Joan of Arc. The Catholic Church wrongly excommunicated her on the charge of heresy and handed her to the state to burn at the stake for cross dressing. This was not the first case of the Church completely wrongly convicted people and villages as a whole. The CHURCH handed these people to the state to make sure they would die. No, they didn’t have the authority to kill but they made sure to have the state do their bidding. This is why in America we have the separation of Church and state. The Catholic Church abused its authority hence the reason for the Protestant movement. Though I completely disagree of Martin Luther leaving the Church, I understand how this happened. So as opposed to Martin Luther, we have Catholics like yourselves with critics thinking skills. Though I see your point that on paper, the idea of bringing nations together under the Church to reach complete compliance looks great: in reality, the corrupt leaders all the way up to popes proved to have evil intentions and abuse their power. We this now, with Pope Francis who is stating heresies lining up with the movement of “world peace”.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

“The Wizard of Oz” had an Evil Witch who got Flying Monkeys to do her bidding. European Monarch were Rome’s Flying Monkeys. Roman Clerics + Flying Monkeys = MURDERED People 6 Centuries of Murdering with ALL Credit belonging to RCC.

[@TheRob138]

The "herotic" you mean the innocent human being being tortured and killed by an evil cult. Ur getting ur wording wrong their!!!!

[@joesphlessing2876]

Why go to idols why don't you just go to Jesus . Jesus said to the thief on the cross today you will be with me in Paradise the only thing the thief produce was faith in Christ no work was involve the Catholics are taken away the works of Christ the free gift of Life comes from Jesus not sacraments and traditions of their father the devil

[@dovygoodguy1296]

Why do they spend so much time rambling on with opinions rather than discussing what ACTUALLY was going on, and what kind of suffering and social terrorism was involved with the Inquisition??

[@lucianewell6084]

Exactly 💯 agree. Thank God someone agrees.

[@jamesrobertson432]

Because they are far removed from all the suffering and they don't really care that much.

[@HailMaryFullofGrace-tt4du]

That’s bold of you say because I heard mostly facts - the guy in the tie repeatedly referenced the archives used to research the answers many of the questions.

[@Ari-rq3no]

Oh wow Inquisition deniers cool. Next episode? Let me guess..

[@HailMaryFullofGrace-tt4du]

What are you talking about? They spent an hour addressing the Spanish Inquisition -. Everything stated in the podcast was said in a matter of fact way; forgive them for not using strong emotional language to imbed their feelings/opinions on the matter. To do so would’ve made it an option piece rather factual. If the truth is less sensational then that’s not their problem

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Not factual. Whitewash job.

[@IvyLeather13]

Hi. Your friendly neighborhood witch here! I'm not some other denomination of christian here to troll. I know I'm considered filthy but hear me out. 1. Witches were butchered by both catholics and protestants alike. The split is more protestant however. Your point is legitimate. But let's not act like catholics weren't involved. The split is definitely more protestant. 2. Churches of the modern era are way different than the past. To hold modern catholics to all the crimes of the church of the past is not fair. Glossing over the crimes of the past is bad too. 3. The early Inquisition was very decentralized. Until Torquemada was installed as Inquisitor General, there was very little oversight. Most of what you mentioned about torture was installed by him, beforehand is where much of the worst occurred. 4. The Inquisition was wrong. It doesn't matter that the state was the primary body executing people. I'm not in the mood for "heresy was a crime worth torturing people over". Yes that's a paraphrase but a fair one. The church viewing the forced coversions of Jews as legitimate is very problematic, and they should not have been subject to torture. Arguing over the specific history is fine, but let's not act like it isn't a form of barbarism.

[@andyZ3500s]

One thing that I don't understand is the amount of people that are so angry in the comments.

[@jamesrobertson432]

I'm actually disappointed more people aren't angry. The Catholic Church does have some culpability yet they gave The Catholic Church a pretty soft pass. Did they mention The Inquisition was actually supported by a Papal Bull which is when it started. The Pope at the time was under a lot of pressure to issue it but it effectively gave The Inquisition the blessing of The Church. And it took the Catholic Church over 300 years to have it stopped. I'm sure they could have done a lot more to try to stop it. I can't been tell from the video if they all think The Inquisition itself was fine. Even if there had been no torture or killing there's no way it was okay to do that to people. Different times sure but they still should have been more critical of The Catholic Church's role.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

Hubris, hypocrisy, blame-shifting & self aggrandizing are offensive.

[@FernandoDiazJr]

The members of the episode need to issue a public apology and show contrition for their statements which reduced the gravity of genocide against catholics of jewish origin. The inquisition was genocide and a precedent in which evil used to murder innocent people of jewish origin (and others) in Catholic countries with bureaucracy, pogroms and the holocaust.

[@alexmag342]

Iudea Delenda Est, they have admitted the Inquisition was completely correct about not trusting any Judas, they literally admitted they were trying to infiltrate and destroy the Church, Seethe harder, and soon your tiny hat kind will be wiped for all it's crimes, past and that which they continue to perpetuate against the sons of Rome, Iudea Delenda Est

[@FernandoDiazJr]

@@alexmag342 Your reply is difficult to understand and what can be understood can only de described as 'gibberish.' I will reply on what can be understood: everyone will be wiped out sooner or later as we are temporal regardless of affiliation. In regards to your cheerleading, their is nothing special from belonging in one group or excluding the other. Rationalizing genocide does nothing good for anyone and the rationalizer - in this case you - is distorted from truth and lead astray from God.

[@jamesrobertson432]

I agree. They gave The Church a soft pass and they should have been a lot more critical of The Catholic Church's role. This is what religion can do to people unfortunately. To be fair not all Catholics would have had the gall to give the Catholic Church a very soft pass regarding The Inquisition. They seem like nice guys but they displayed one huge blindspot to the disgraceful behaviour of The Catholic Church in this episode and frankly I feel a bit sick thinking about it.

[@HailMaryFullofGrace-tt4du]

1st of all, what part of the inquisition made it a genocide ? B/c it wasn’t targeting any particular group, and there was an organized trial to all those who were convicted or publicly accused. From my understanding, a genocide is more deliberate and less likely to occur in a judicial process like that of the inquisition. Just because you have strong feelings about a dark part of history doesn’t make it true.

[@FernandoDiazJr]

@@HailMaryFullofGrace-tt4du Maria, feelings doesn't make something false either. Christ was convicted in an organized and public trial. Was it not against God? Do strong feelings against his crucifixion make it less true? Genocide can occur both within and outside of legal frameworks. An obvious example is Nazi Germany, where Hitler institutionalized genocide through legal means, involving the judiciary. Genocide in Germany was systemic and not isolated in concentration camps. The Spanish Inquisition can be considered genocidal in its systematic attempt to eliminate mainly Jews. That's the ugly past. In the present, outside of history, the devil has used the tongues of these men to defend one of his greatest victories...

[@josephmaxwell5033]

I really don’t like your figurines, they project a disrespect, so typically American and where I know such things are common. A statuette is a sacramental, which is meant to remind you of the person depicted in the image. These type of figurines are generally of dogs in the rest of the world. They sit in the back of a car on a parcel shelf, as an image of humour. In my opinion, these figurines totally detract from the content and instruction, which I assume is what you are trying to portray. Or are they like a Papa mama substitute for you? Get real guys!

[@rsamorose256]

Typically American??

[@angiejones968]

Yes let's see you argue it didn't happen. Those murderers that was afraid the people's would be open to the fact that this cult took word of God out. Changed the Word. Learn the truth you DO NOT pray to Mary. she has absolutely no authority over God Almighty. The Holy Spirit is He who intercede for us. .must be one of the verses that that was taken out of The Holy Bible. FYI works don't get you in to heaven, you only need to Accept Jesus as God's only son. .

[@josephbell3930]

Jesus's statue on your table is shaking his head up and down about as fast as he can. If we read these gestures as Middle Eastern/Eastern European head shakes, he seems to doing his best to say no to pretty much everything you guys are saying!

[@jennytmaher]

On the other hand, if we read them as affirmative nods, as westerners do, the Jesus bobblehead nods his head in affirmation all the way through every episode. I find it amusing.

[@josephbell3930]

@@jennytmaher We probably both presume he knows better than to agree on everything. Also, I suspect native speakers of Aramaic shake their heads like their nearer neighbors.

[@nenabunena]

You never saw those types of dolls before? Where are you from? Lols. That's basically what does dolls do

[@nothim7321]

Most middle easterners read nods as affirmative not negative. At least in my over 4 years of travel there. What are you talking about? The only cultures I am aware of that see nods as negative are on the Indian subcontinent including Bengal, southern Pakistan, India, Sumatra and few others.

[@StanBushrockss]

This is why God NEVER GAVE the Catholic church so much power EVER AGAIN after the middle ages....

[@RumorHazi]

Now that’s funny.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

The current US president is Catholic. The previous first lady came out as Catholic while first lady. 7 of 9 US Supreme court justices are Catholic. Sharp decline of Protestantism in the US: abcnews.go.com/Politics/protestants-decline-religion-sharply-shifting-religious-landscape-poll/story?id=54995663 Same in Germany where Protestantism started. And now there's more Catholics again like it was before Martin Luther: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/12/once-a-majority-protestants-now-account-for-fewer-than-a-third-of-germans/#:~:text=The%20decline%20in%20East%20Germany,four%20decades%20of%20communist%20rule.

[@StanBushrockss]

@@JJ-cw3nf USA only holds 9& of the world's Catholic population, Europe is declining in it's white population. Latin America actually is where most Catholics are. Brazil is the MOST catholic country with 90% of the population being Catholics. 2nd is Mexico with 88% of the population being catholics and 3rd is the Philippines in Asia with 80% of its population being Catholics. In the USA Protestantism is the most dominant religion. In the USA when there's a feastday of a saint there is a FIESTA. Catholics do that in Catholic influenced countires.

[@StanBushrockss]

@@JJ-cw3nf In most catholic countries, Catholic churches are like Starbucks. There is one in every 4 blocks.This isnt the case in the USA and Europe. Actually, the white population in the USA and Europe is declining. The most dominant race in the world right now is ASIANS. China has 1.4 BILLION PEOPLE, India has 1.3 BILLION people, Indonesia and the Philippines COMBINED has 350 million people. the USA only has 330 Million people.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

@@StanBushrockss Don't forget Africa. Africa population in general is suppose to take over Asia. And Catholics in Africa will be substantial if not majority. The united states, England, Scandinavia countries, etc use to be majority protestants but now are less than half of their populations. This is from the movement from Protestant to No Religion. As technology and science has advanced, for the waves of people leaving Protestant churches and questioning it's beliefs. The 'Bible alone' doesn't do it for them. They need more proof. And they can't be pointed to the miracles and other historical sources Catholics do. (Which actually a lot of Catholics especially in America, have very little knowledge about themselves.) So they are now athiest, agnostic, and having no religion

[@chissstardestroyer]

Everyone should challenge God's order, as all totalitarian order is to be challenged, for only in that do we have the freedom to practice true worship; only when authority is nonexistent aside from mastery of a topic do we the average man on the street have the freedom to worship as we ought... for Biblical reference: remember Exodus? God Himself, time and again, proved to be a revolutionary and stated that He didn't come to bring peace but the sword, namely division. So really, any and all who stand up for established order are supporters of the devil, only those who support the demolition of all established structure and placing nothing in its place support Christ.

[@JPX7NGD]

oh beast of h*ll, the devil lied to you. Venerable Fulton Sheen spoke of you here: "If we leave the Cross out of the Life of Christ, we have nothing left, and certainly not Christianity. For the Cross is related to our sins. Christ was our “stand in” on the stage of life. He took our guilt as if He were guilty and thus paid the debt that sin deserved, namely, death. This made possible our resurrection to a “new life” in Him. Christ, therefore, is not just a teacher or a peasant revolutionist, but our Savior. Our modern world does not like the word “sin.” What is forgotten is that sin is not the worst thing in the world. The worst thing is the denial of sin. If I am blind and deny there is any such thing as light, I shall never see. If I am deaf and deny sound, I shall never hear. And if I deny there is sin, I make forgiveness impossible . I believe that the whole political and religious situation of the world can be summed up in terms of the divorce of Christ and His Cross. Put the Cross-less Christ on the right side, and the Christ-less Cross on the left. Who picks up the Crossless Christ? Our decadent Western civilization. Christ is weak, effeminate, with no authority to drive buyers and sellers out of temples, and never speaks of self-discipline, restraint and mortification. Who picks up the Christless Cross? Russia and China, where there is a dedication to a common ideology, the use of discipline and authority to keep peace and order. But neither can heal. The, Crossless Christ leaves men burdened with their guilt which festers in a thousand psychosis and neuroses. The Christless Cross cannot save for it ends in Dachau, the Gulag Archipelago and the squeezing of the lives of millions like grapes to make the collective wine of the State. Which will first find Christ with the Cross? The totalitarian states who have the Cross without Love, or the Western world which has “love” so often erotic-without sacrifice? We do not know. But we do know that at the end of time, when the great between the forces of good and evil takes place, Satan will appear without the Cross, as the Great Philanthropist and Social Reformer to become the final temptation of all mankind."

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@JPX7NGD No, he didn't, for I have not forgotten the hazard of sin, nor have I had any dealings with the evil one, at all... I have no dealings with that monster, nor with anything of power whatsoever, specifically because of their position I refuse them any access, forever, to any resources I attain- especially those needed for their survival. In fact, due precisely to their place, I heartily enjoy the idea of stopping them from getting what they need for their continued survival. In addition, it is the upper classes who have to be not merely tortured, but torched: that is, incinerated for their placement in society- for the innocent are only safe when the ones in power are dead, and their power with them. What we must endorse is the belief set of the days of the scientific revolution, and especially its application to religion, as well as and specifically the removal of all previous structures of authority and power, but save those which we ourselves place into office, not those placed into office by anything or anyone above the common man, the only kind of man who has any right to exist period is the self-made man!

[@JPX7NGD]

@@chissstardestroyer you have forotten sin because you became like sin when you devoted your life to trying to drag others to h*ll. I really Hope you would read the Venerable Fulton Sheen quote as the perfect answer to you here is the post you were pretend-replying to. "If we leave the Cross out of the Life of Christ, we have nothing left, and certainly not Christianity. For the Cross is related to our sins. Christ was our “stand in” on the stage of life. He took our guilt as if He were guilty and thus paid the debt that sin deserved, namely, death. This made possible our resurrection to a “new life” in Him. Christ, therefore, is not just a teacher or a peasant revolutionist, but our Savior. Our modern world does not like the word “sin.” What is forgotten is that sin is not the worst thing in the world. The worst thing is the denial of sin. If I am blind and deny there is any such thing as light, I shall never see. If I am deaf and deny sound, I shall never hear. And if I deny there is sin, I make forgiveness impossible . I believe that the whole political and religious situation of the world can be summed up in terms of the divorce of Christ and His Cross. Put the Cross-less Christ on the right side, and the Christ-less Cross on the left. Who picks up the Crossless Christ? Our decadent Western civilization. Christ is weak, effeminate, with no authority to drive buyers and sellers out of temples, and never speaks of self-discipline, restraint and mortification. Who picks up the Christless Cross? Russia and China, where there is a dedication to a common ideology, the use of discipline and authority to keep peace and order. But neither can heal. The, Crossless Christ leaves men burdened with their guilt which festers in a thousand psychosis and neuroses. The Christless Cross cannot save for it ends in Dachau, the Gulag Archipelago and the squeezing of the lives of millions like grapes to make the collective wine of the State. Which will first find Christ with the Cross? The totalitarian states who have the Cross without Love, or the Western world which has “love” so often erotic-without sacrifice? We do not know. But we do know that at the end of time, when the great between the forces of good and evil takes place, Satan will appear without the Cross, as the Great Philanthropist and Social Reformer to become the final temptation of all mankind."

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@JPX7NGD Not at all, I haven't forgotten the threat of sin at all; I'm quite mindful of it... all-too-much, in fact, as the hazard of sin in and of itself crowds out any ability to even be remotely aware of Christ or His personality... it's really all I think about- but sin in and of itself always comes from above, never from below. Sin in and of itself is the service of the above by the below, which's quite the opposite of how Christ would have it.

[@JPX7NGD]

@@chissstardestroyer sin is division from God. you show what happens when it destroys one's mind. Repent of your satanism while you can.

[@lucianewell6084]

According to the book of Revelation...the Catholic Church is the BEAST of Revelation and it's drunk with the blood of the saints...the Catholic Church will pay...And those in bed with this church will pay...

[@versatilelord8893]

This is false and a lie promulgated by the heretic Martin Luther. You have to stop believing lies

[@JJ-cw3nf]

That’s hilarious. Where’d you get that one?

[@lucianewell6084]

Revelation and the book.of Daniel...it's long if u want me to point it out I will. The bible calls the Catholic church BABYLON THE GREAT because of the statue of Babylon... mentioned in Daniel...the head of Gold is Babylon and the legs Rome and feet and toes are Europe...where Catholicism has spread..the bible says a stone will strike the feet...that stone represents Jesus...there are other scripture where it identifies the church. Of being the antichrist...

[@versatilelord8893]

@@lucianewell6084 no the Bible does not call the Catholic Church the whore of Babylon lol That’s some garbage Martin Luther made up.

[@versatilelord8893]

@@lucianewell6084 also you don’t know what an antichrist is if you’re reading your interpretation of scripture into the church being the antichrist. Lol Open your Bible up to 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7