Debunking the Pomodoro Method

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Days and Words

Days and Words

Күн бұрын

I am pretty sure the Pomodoro Technique is ineffective for language learning and not based on science, but does the Pomodoro method work for doing your best work? Let's find out.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 What is the Pomodoro Method?
00:40 Pomodoro is ruining my life
03:14 Where Pomodoro Comes From
05:21 Pomodoro is pseudo-nothing
10:43 What to do with 25 minutes
11:25 What to do instead
Let me know: How long do you find you can work before you have to stop, and how long does it take you to find your groove when working?

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@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
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@anna7276
@anna7276 11 ай бұрын
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@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
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@crazychase443
@crazychase443 11 ай бұрын
The Pomodoro is more for people who have trouble getting started. “Just work for as long as you can” sounds like an infinite hell to me. And I’ll never start because it feels so daunting. But “work for 25 mins and then take a break” makes everything feel so much more manageable
@alanguages
@alanguages 10 ай бұрын
A short break is nice also to recharge. I think it is awesome.
@runningriot7963
@runningriot7963 9 ай бұрын
I think this especially resonates with ADHD brains, I've been studying the difference between how neurotypicals and ADHD brains are literally wired differently and have different motivators...etc. It's an interesting topic and as someone with ADHD can confirm that pomodoro is a game changer, but for neurotypicals it's more of a hindrance typically. It's just down to how your brain gets into focus and stays focused. experiment for yourself.
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 5 ай бұрын
You're response sounds more reasonable than the typical use of the Pomodoro idea. What you say also is true for true for some kinds of innovation, where you need to just get started, and focus less on planning.
@TheGriggski
@TheGriggski 4 ай бұрын
Exactly! I have a very poor perception of time, especially when I work on Kanji flash cards. I might feel like I’ve been studying for 20-30 minutes, when it’s actually been 5-10 minutes. The pomodoro technique is fantastic for me to ensure I get a minimum amount of work done, in a manageable chunk of time. It’s great for boring tasks that I dread, but I think “oh it’s only 25 minutes, I can do that”. I’ve never been under any impression that it will “supercharge” my study session.
@TheGriggski
@TheGriggski 4 ай бұрын
@@runningriot7963yes! I have ADHD, and many task seem insurmountable or dreadfully boring, but 25 minutes seems very manageable. Plus, I have poor concept of time. I’ll think “I must have been studying for 15-20 minutes” NOPE it’s been 7 minutes. For me, it’s not about taking a break, it’s about going the distance for 25 minutes.
@korinnab.2318
@korinnab.2318 11 ай бұрын
I have ADHD and I personally have found that the pomodoro method is the only study method that actually works for me. If I get into that workflow state I will be stuck in it for 12 hours and forget to eat lmao. Those breaks prevent me from getting sucked into hyperfocus while also keeping me motivated and not getting burnt out
@blubaylon
@blubaylon 11 ай бұрын
Isn't that hyperfocus exactly what you should be looking for? Sure, you'll eat a lot later, but you'll have done 12 hours of effective work!
@Boss_Scaggz
@Boss_Scaggz 11 ай бұрын
@@blubaylon Depends. Pomodoro you can do every day for the rest of your life. Long flow-state you will get burnt out if it's for something other than a finite task with a definitive point of completion (e.g. a school/work project, a test, etc.).
@TheWorldofRobbie
@TheWorldofRobbie 11 ай бұрын
​@@blubaylon Idk if you've ever experienced the kind of hyperfocus that a neurodivergent person experiences, but it's very unhealthy and leads to burnout quickly. I wish it was "well just eat a lot later" lol that would be awesome. Alas, it's chronic bad habits that exacerbate physical and mental health problems. In the long run, you're more productive when you stay out of those hyperfocus states. At least for the majority of your time.
@user-of2od5zd8e
@user-of2od5zd8e 11 ай бұрын
​@@blubaylonwhat about burnouts 😂 pomodoro does works for everyone, you don't need to have Neuro atypical brain 🧠 it's for all , it's proven that you need to rest(unless you are savant) (we are humans not machines , we work organic) and the average of consentration for people up to 13 years old is 20-25 minutes, in my school some teachers implemented the rule of only intensively explain the topics for 15-25 minutes and then rest for 5-10 minutes and it worked really well. So yeah it works 👍🏻 (I'm not native speaker, I'm doing my best 😊)
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
OK well if Ali Abdaal and everyone else advocating for Pomodoro can show me their birth certificates that says they are under 13 years old, I will admit I was wrong. He is a young guy for sure, but he's not 13 and neither is most of his audience. Also, my son is 12 and he can go for 60 minutes on a task.
@runningriot7963
@runningriot7963 11 ай бұрын
The idea behind the pomodoro is that Francesco Cirillo discovered by testing on himself that after about 25-30 mins he noticed his productivity would start to dip, so by taking a quick break you're essentially resting your productivity. It's a good idea, however it's not exactly 25 mins for everyone, some people can go longer. A more accurate modern understanding is just like daddy Huberman said, 90 mins is max concentration blocks for the majority of people.
@trasheaterpeter
@trasheaterpeter 11 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I do, pomodoro but in 90 minute blocks.
@jbrains
@jbrains 11 ай бұрын
Moreover, as we learn from Monotasking, the rest might not matter as much as taking a few moments on a regular cadence to ask the magic questions, "How's it going?" and "Should I switch tasks now?" Since I know that I will be reminded to ask these questions regularly and relatively soon, I can more safely and more completely immerse myself in what I'm doing now with less fear of stubbornly remaining stuck.
@andyhammond
@andyhammond 11 ай бұрын
I use the pomodoro timers specifically for work tasks that I need to focus on. Not necessarily studying. Im finding that it works quite well in helping me focus on what I need to do, and helps me prevent distraction. Ive tried using it for language learning, but Ive always felt that I want to continue after the timer. Im not going to watch a spanish TV show and stop half way through because the timer went off :P
@j5679
@j5679 11 ай бұрын
I agree that when you do something where you may enter a flow state like language learning, unnecessarily inserting pauses all the time does nothing but harm. Better to do it in one go and go for as long as you can. However, I still use the pomodoro technique extensively for particularly boring and tedious tasks. At 6:56 you ask "Why have a timer at all? Is your cognitive function supposed to know that your timer has gone off?" and as ridiculous as it may sound to you, yes, that's exactly what it is. Once I click on "start" on my timer, I CANNOT procrastinate anymore and I CANNOT allow myself any pauses until my scheduled pause comes up. The act of clicking the button is a seal of commitment about what I'm going to do with my next 25 minutes. There is no backing out of it. The hardest part about getting stuff done and not procrastinating is the start; the pomodoro timer makes this easy because I just have to click the button. I can click on a button and get 25 minutes of productivity out of it, a dream for any procrastinator. It's not about the pauses for me, it's not about the number 25, it's just about the fact that I allotted a time slot to a task and that I cannot back out of that commitment anymore. So in summary, I agree that the pauses are inefficient and psychologically nonsensical, I agree that I'm sacrificing some productivity by using pomodoro, but on the other hand, it greatly reduces the risk of me mindlessly dawdling away the next 4 hours on the internet. I use pomodoro to hold myself accountable.
@IN-pr3lw
@IN-pr3lw 11 ай бұрын
Yeah for some of us, it's not inefficient because it's either pomodoro or 0 work done lol
@maycolsj
@maycolsj 10 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with this one. Moreover, let's not forget the physical and mental benefits of taking a break every 25-30 minutes.
@DestopLine
@DestopLine 10 ай бұрын
That's the opposite of how my brain works, when I click the button my mind just says "ok that's cool, but I don't care, let's get some dopamine". Commitments like that just don't work for me.
@Leo-sd3jt
@Leo-sd3jt 11 ай бұрын
Pomidor is probably the second most common word for tomato. It translates to Golden Apple.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Oh...golden! Duh. I knew the apple part... Dunno why I didn't think of golden. But my question is how the heck did the FINNISH, who call everything whatever the hell they want, ended up calling it tomaati, but the NEIGHBOURS of Spain, who were the Europeans who brought them back to Europe, were like "Nah, golden apple..." haha.
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@kujojotarostandoceanman2641 Ай бұрын
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@Charlotte-ti2yk
@Charlotte-ti2yk 11 ай бұрын
So. I’ve been talking about this at work recently. (I’m about half way through the video so forgive me if I mention something you cover later - I will adjust this comment if that’s the case!). I actually do use this technique… for activities I don’t want to do. For activities I do want to do (like language learning), there’s no way I’d limit my work to 25 or 45 minutes. Like you, I’d be seriously irritated if something interrupted my flow. But for something I don’t want to do (like a course I’m studying for work right now), something I find so utterly boring I want to claw my eyes out, but that is a requirement to continue being employed and so has to be done, this technique is useful. I will never enter any kind of flow state with this course. I will jump on just about any distraction as a reason to justify either not starting to study, or stopping it. So I actually do use this technique as a sort of ‘reward’ system. If I study for 25 minutes, I can do something ‘fun’ for 5 minutes. Or if I study for 45 minutes, I can do something ‘fun’ for 10-15 minutes. Like listen to music or something (or a a Turkish podcast! 😂). I know that’s not necessarily the way it was designed, but that’s how I use it. The 5 or 10 minutes is the carrot, so to speak. It works for me. But yeah, I’d personally never use it for language learning. Okay. Off to watch the second half now… Editing to answer your final question. When doing something I really enjoy, like language learning, I can lose myself in time. I don’t know how else to describe it. It’s like nothing else exists outside of what I’m doing. I put my head down and when I lift it back up five hours have passed. The tomato technique would 100% hinder my language learning activities and I would hate the interruption. I stand by my statement for things I hate but have to do though. For things I spend hours and hours and hours on and then look at my watch to find only 30 seconds have passed… well, that oven timer is a welcome relief!
@DustinSchermaul
@DustinSchermaul 11 ай бұрын
I'm actually using the pomodoro technique, because it helps me to reduce the barrier of getting started to work on something. If I start under the premise that I will work for 5 hours straight, then I'll probably procrastinate instead of get going. And there are also timers that don't make a disturbing noise or anything, but just have a silent and really tiny popup that tell you, you have been working for 25 minutes or whatever amount of time you have set to be one pomodoro. Often I then just keep going and proceed working. I completely agree that it's important to not artificially limit the time you're working on something by using a timer, because you'll otherwise might never reach a flow state. I can recommend to everybody to try it out and to see what works for you the best. Other than that nice video again ;).
@staceycoates1418
@staceycoates1418 11 ай бұрын
agreed! getting started is sometimes the biggest challenge to being productive!
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Totally fair.
@fatimaallawati947
@fatimaallawati947 11 ай бұрын
Hello Lamont, This is a VERY relatable video I know I have never commented on your videos but I REALLY enjoy them and especially this one as it quite rebellious and I am a big fan of videos that challenge the stereotypes in the world of productivity Keep the good work going!!
@SomedayKorean
@SomedayKorean 11 ай бұрын
For working on a single large task, I'm like you -- I get into that "flow state" and just sit there for hours until I come to a natural break. Where I've used pomodoros before and thought it was helpful was for getting a variety of small tasks done on a to-do list that I didn't want to do. I found it especially helpful for cleaning my apartment, which I'm ALWAYS putting off and never actually reach a "flow state" for. I actually really liked breaking down the cleaning into small 25 minute chunks, since it's usually more of a collection of a bajillion smaller annoying tasks anyways, and I found it more helpful to face one 25 minute chunk at a time than facing the entire mess as a whole. Having the break times set for 5 minutes was also nice, because otherwise I have the tendency to turn a quick break into an hour of distractions. Haven't done it in years, though, which may be why my apartment is usually messy... ha! For most other things that actually have more of a "flow" to get into, I agree with you. When I've tried doing this with writing or studying I find myself constantly checking the timer, or working into my break times because I was in a groove.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Totally. There ARE applications for it. I just wish the dings during lo-fi would shut up haha.
@anangelsdiaries
@anangelsdiaries 11 ай бұрын
I did something called Anime-doro, learned about it from a youtuber. Where I'd work for 50-60min and then watch an anime episode. Worked better for me than pomodoro, and actually felt rested after the break. Gave up after a while though cause i'd rather work until I hit a wall (or start to notice an increase in inattention errors), and then go for a walk, then the alternative. This typically works out to block of more than an hour, with break of 15-20 minutes when needed.
@poleag
@poleag 11 ай бұрын
Another problem with this idea when it comes to language learning is that it doesn't account for the natural breaks that occur within study materials. If I'm watching a Disney film in Spanish, there are going to be 5-minute action scenes, 5-minute song and dance routines, and all kinds of other interruptions in the pure Spanish dialogue. Even if I'm listening to an audiobook of pure Spanish, some of it is going to be very easy, familiar language that my brain can effortlessly process. So, if you get an hour of Spanish input, it likely already includes sufficient break time for your brain to relax, recover, and operate at close to maximum efficiency.
@KSLAMB-uz4it
@KSLAMB-uz4it 11 ай бұрын
I'm in my 50s and I first heard of working in 25 minute chunks when in college; the 80s. It never worked for me.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Haha, there were a few very angry defenders of it in this comments section, saying that Francesco Cirillo was like this productivity legend and stuff, and I'm thinking "Well, Steve Jobs I've heard of, Bill Gates I've heard of... And not too much later, Jeff Bezos... If Cirillo was such a legend, his legacy wouldn't be a tomato timer."
@aell.e
@aell.e 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing in some scientific data I never heard of! When I was self-studying, I would use a timer to get a rough idea of how long I had been working on each topic. I remember being surprised to find that no matter the subject, it would very often be multiples of 45 minutes (45min, 1h30, 2h15). It might have something to do with the 90 minutes you mentioned. I’ll go look up the podcast, cheers for referencing it!
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Interesting... yeah I haven't really noticed them in myself... but I'm going to start paying more attention now.
@run2fire
@run2fire 11 ай бұрын
“Pomidor” is Polish for tomato 😅
@molly702
@molly702 11 ай бұрын
You videos are so good! I am happy that you have been uploading so many recently
@Boss_Scaggz
@Boss_Scaggz 11 ай бұрын
I independently discovered the "pomodoro technique" while studying German (30 min, broken up by a few min of physical activity). This technique helped me get through extreme study sessions throughout my bachelor's and master's as well as any other time I found myself in a time-crunch. *The perseverant ticking of the timer (I have an entire collection) is what puts me into an almost trance-like state.* The point is you break something insurmountable up into bite-sized chunks. Of course a long flow-state is good for productivity, but looking at something "fresh" multiple times a study session is good for learning in my experience. In other words, I remember stuff better. Also, multi-hour flow states seem to require more artificial stimulation in my experience (caffeine, nootropics, etc.).
@sharonoddlyenough
@sharonoddlyenough 11 ай бұрын
I've mostly heard of the pomodoro technique in home cleaning and organizing parts of the nternet, where mental health creates blocks to starting and some folks are prone to cleaning for hours on end for a day then doing nothing for a month. For me, I have problems starting things no matter how fun I find them, so I set a timer for 10 minutes and silence it because by then I've started, and I can continue
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Yes, totally fair.
@hollowedboi5937
@hollowedboi5937 11 ай бұрын
It helps me with a different more soothing timer, and for like an indicator to stretch, but for sure not 30 minutes, but rather an hour or just until I start to feel some brain fog. Though I also feel it depends on the person’s work type, like do you want to work in intervals, or work in one long stretch without interruption, or perhaps work a bit in the morning, then a bit at lunch, and a hit in the afternoon? Like thus isn’t one size fits all but maybe for a few
@mubutukinkeke
@mubutukinkeke 11 ай бұрын
Love your work mate.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
I love that you were first on this video, and didn't just say "FIRST" like most people do.
@Name-iq8te
@Name-iq8te 11 ай бұрын
I like the technique. I'm a highschool student, so I've got 10 or so different subjects that all require 1 or 2 tasks that I do per day along with up to 3 pomodoros of anki reviews (not necessarily for languages). This system allows me to list the tasks, prioritise them, log the data of that work and so on. Additionally, it allows me to dedicate time for language immersion, not much, just 2 pomodoros or 50 minutes- maybe that's a KZbin video or two in my TL... All I know is that this works for me. These are not really large tasks like writing or music composition, for those, no timer is better, yes. But my workflow is almost entirely creating resources (such as anki cards) memorisation and it's just perfect. If I put something on there, it WILL get done. For me, I can still achieve a "flow state" of some kind, but it's just spread across multiple tasks. Also, I have the timer muted, so it's just the popup in the corner of my screen.
@Sarmachus
@Sarmachus 11 ай бұрын
I've used the Pomodoro method a few times, mostly for work. The 25 minutes is arbitrary, but having a time limit is good. Once you're in the groove, you usually just set the timer again. It helps with starting and stopping tasks. Taking breaks can be good for moving and stretching if you are sedentary. Sometimes you can get stuck on something and it feels terrible if you're keeping yourself at the computer just because you aren't done with something yet. I think it can help practice time awareness too. I haven't kept up with it, but it's a good technique to try.
@Sarmachus
@Sarmachus 11 ай бұрын
For the very last question: I can have a good flow state for several hours. However, this is not something that happens all the time (particularly for work you care less about). I work from home, so being intentional is important. The breaks give you time to take care of things around the house like laundry or dishes. It can significantly help how you feel.
@JohannesLemonde
@JohannesLemonde 11 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you! I used to use the pomodoro technique, but I soon stopped, because I best work in 2h-3h chunks, and taking breaks was detrimental, so I usually skipped them all.
@georginatoland
@georginatoland 11 ай бұрын
Depending on the task, 2-3 hrs is my magic flow state. But for writing it’s more like 5 hrs. That said, I’m prone to going too long without breaks when it comes to difficult tasks that require greater concentration. Burnout without accomplishment is awful. And so the only thing I use Tomato Timing for is language learning. 😂 I don’t really rest during the breaks though. I use that time to make a cup of tea and quietly review what I’ve learned in my head. Sometimes I summarize what I’ve learned and think about how I would explain a particular grammar point to a seven year old. Other times I just repeat a common useful phrase to gain better pronunciation. I’ve been using the 🍅 for learning Ukrainian and it’s been very useful. I’m seven weeks into my textbook and surely would have given up by now if I hadn’t gone so slowly and carefully.
@Tomanita
@Tomanita 11 ай бұрын
Great video! I used to set a timer as a motivation to get started. Usually, I would skip the break and just set another timer. I can't stay focused for a long time unless I'm stressed, so I approximately work for an hour before I take a break (I'm talking about studying/writing papers for Uni, not language learning). I get that the alarm going off could interrupt your workflow, so it's definitely not for everyone.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Hey Anita, good to see you here! Haha, this was one of those cases of after making the video, I understood the other side of the argument better... So like, the process of making the video helped to me to clarify my thoughts around it, and yes, you're right. It's definitely a good idea for some people. But I don't get "Study-tube" like Ali Abdaal (who is a bit of a fraud anyway) and lo-fi channels "enforcing" it in their videos. It's funny that you watched this video actually because Couch Polyglot (Laura) whom I mentioned at the beginning just moved to Switzerland (I can't remember where but it's somewhere in the German speaking part), and a few weeks ago I mentioned you to her just because of multi-linguals in Switzerland kinda thing.
@sevret313
@sevret313 11 ай бұрын
While I've never heard about Pomodoro before now, I'm doing something similar. I've ADD and I find focusing on certain tasks to be quite difficult so the point of this for me is not to take break but split up the time-periods into smaller segments where it is easier to hold myself accountable and keep up a certain tempo. And if I get in a flow, I'd just ditch the timer. It's a tool and not something that should boss over you. I'm not using this for everything, just in places like writing where I need an extra push to help me get going.
@olliert4840
@olliert4840 11 ай бұрын
I definitely agree that I seem to have periods of 'flow' etc. where I do really good work in much larger time periods, maybe around 3-5 hours. I think the issue is that it's hard to initiate these periods artificially, or even predict when they might come about. I think working in this way is probably what is most natural to us, and also most pain-free, since working on whatever you are doing doesn't really feel like work in these periods. However, I guess it's only really practical for stuff where you are very flexible. E.g. for creatives this is great, they have very lax deadlines usually and a lot of flexibility about how and when they work. This also importantly applies to hobbies ( like language learning) so there's probably something to take away there. For stuff that needs more regular work then you will need to force yourself to work even under imperfect mental conditions which is where 'techniques' like pomodoro come in I guess. I see it less as a way to improve work quality and more as a way to break down work that you don't really want to do into more manageable periods which allow you to 'count down' the periods which makes it easier (think counting down the days of a prison sentence etc.) and also gives you regular rewards (breaks) to keep you going.
@BrunUgle
@BrunUgle 11 ай бұрын
I’ve tried the pomodoro technique several times, but have never been able to make it work. I’m always either done my task before the ping, but not so much before that it makes sense to start a new task, or I’m not done the task when the ping comes and don’t feel like stopping. I also never manage to finish making my tea in the short break. It’s much easier to just take breaks at natural times, like when you can’t think anymore or when you’ve finished a task.
@egarza
@egarza 11 ай бұрын
You are right. I started using it because I as having trouble focusing. It worked really well for a bit, but once I got into things and I needed more time, I stopped using it and now I just do as you say, have breaks. Otherwiser is counter productive for me.
@danieltemelkovski9828
@danieltemelkovski9828 11 ай бұрын
Great vid, Lamont. Posters who mention using the technique as a way of getting started have a good point, although that isn't generally the way the technique is marketed. My own experience is that I prefer shorter sessions (not necessarily 25 minutes or any pre-planned time limit) when studying something difficult - pausing when I feel my brain start to hurt. When working (as opposed to studying), or completing assignments, I much prefer to get in a groove and go for hours on end. Even when taking a break to prepare something to eat, I find myself still thinking about the task. At times like this, I don't see any benefit to shifting my focus.
@austin4768
@austin4768 11 ай бұрын
I’ll add to the chorus of tomato-defending voices by saying that I have also occasionally found this technique helpful. I have ADHD and sometimes find it really difficult to get into a focused state to begin with. For instance, I often find that when I try to read a novel, particularly in the early phases before I’m hooked, I’ll end up staring into space, lost in my own thoughts, rather than reading. If I set a timer for 25 min and pledge to read X pages before the timer goes off, this can be really effective way to build up momentum. I certainly agree that having a timer go off in the middle of a deeply focused state would be really obnoxious, but I suppose I only use the trick when I’m having difficulty getting focused in the first place. I get the impression that maybe you don’t have much trouble getting focused? (If so, I’m envious)!
@lynntfuzz
@lynntfuzz 11 ай бұрын
Exactly the same for me. When I'm starting a new book, I have to set a timer for 10 minutes! I repeat that until I finally get into the book. Then I will just read and read without need for a timer.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm getting a lot of ADHD comments here, but technically I'm supposed to have ADHD too... Um, I sssoooooomtimes have trouble STARTING on something big and complicated (like the Spider-verse 50 times video... bloody hell that script haha)... but sometimes I tell myself that I'll just do an hour. I just don't like the idea of a timer... especially during music that's meant to keep you in the zone haha.
@austin4768
@austin4768 11 ай бұрын
@@daysandwords Yeah to tell the truth I can’t think of a time I’ve used it besides building momentum while reading. Anything else feels like it would just be irrelevant.
@abbey5252
@abbey5252 11 ай бұрын
I like this take! Early in college I tried pomodoro and it only worked occasionally. I figured out that if I cannot make myself start something, I can say “well I only have to do it for 25 minutes” and that helps. But if I have a decent amount of motivation I’d rather work indefinitely (as long as I remember to eat)
@joreneelanguages
@joreneelanguages 11 ай бұрын
Really thought you were going to say: I was forced to go where no one wants to go, … Reddit. I think timers (less intrusive ones preferably lol) could make sense for reminders to stand up and move around if you’re working for long periods (I also can get in good work states for hours at a time and that sometimes results in being hardly able to stand up afterward lol) but I still don’t actually do that. I don’t need to take a mental break that often but standing up is decent advice… I agree the 25 min is nonsensical tho, I’ve barely dipped into a flow state at that point, and then I’m always checking to see how much time is left.
@When_Im_Depressed
@When_Im_Depressed 11 ай бұрын
i dont think its supposed to help you learn faster more like to keep you concentrated coz i have a problem with procrastination and it helps me have some kind of routine it is not something magical that will make you fluent in a language or do your test, its more like so your mind doesnt wonder off when you are doing a task but at the same time it doesnt fry you coz you dont have any breaks.
@jbrains
@jbrains 11 ай бұрын
I find it easier to focus when I let go of the need to worry about when to stop or when to switch tasks. As I gained more trust in the timer, I allowed myself to focus more easily and more deeply. Anecdotes are not data, but this is the plausible mechanism.
@jadenlightnight7695
@jadenlightnight7695 11 ай бұрын
Great video. 👍
@francescaviel4939
@francescaviel4939 11 ай бұрын
finally someone addressing this topic!
@InterrobangActivate
@InterrobangActivate 11 ай бұрын
I use the pomodoro method for tasks which are easy to fall into micro daydreams on. For example I recently had to read about 20 boring policy docs. I found for that use case it really helped me avoid wasting time staring at a screen reading the same line over and over.
@IN-pr3lw
@IN-pr3lw 11 ай бұрын
I've been using it for studying. Trust me I would have done 0 minutes of study without it but I've been able to do 20+ hours which is huge for me. The fact that it makes you take a break when you don't feel tired is what helped me sustain energy and study for the whole day
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Fair call.
@IN-pr3lw
@IN-pr3lw 11 ай бұрын
@@daysandwords I'm surprised though. Your focus is really good! (Or mine is terrible 😂)
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Mine has gotten a LOT better in the last 5 years. Like a lot.
@skippergin2695
@skippergin2695 6 ай бұрын
So, ADHD. Lots of people have mentioned it. Lots of people have it. In my case, I use timers but it's the amount of time I want and I usually need short spurts to get through overwhelming things or things I really do not want to do, like busywork. I've also spent a lot of time learning not to get too engrossed in things because if I do, I don't attend to necessary tasks. A longer timer helps me feel that it's okay to focus on something because I'll be able to bring myself out. I'll do three hours with a break each hour. If I allowed myself, I could probably manage 10 hours or so, but my dog would suffer, so I don't.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 6 ай бұрын
That's fine, but a lot of people are talking as if I'm a stranger to ADHD... but I was diagnosed at 12... my son was diagnosed at 9... my younger son is only 3 but he seems to be even "worse" (more hyperactive, less attentive). I admit that a timer can have its benefits... but it just does. not. belong. in. lo-fi. It would be like going to get an extended relaxation massage and the firealarm sounding every 25 minutes.
@Studio-pg4sq
@Studio-pg4sq 8 ай бұрын
Well said. Find your own method/rhythm and just go - flow.
@natashacallis2736
@natashacallis2736 11 ай бұрын
Love these videos 😊
@bibliocharylodis
@bibliocharylodis 11 ай бұрын
I think Pomodor can work well for procrestinators, where starting is the main hurdle. 25 mintues sounds less intimidating than "doing a task until it's finished". If I really fall into the work and it's particularly mentally taxing (i.e. formulas, problem solving, etc.) I usually feel drained after about 2 hours. If it's less mentally taxing (data input, etc.), 5-8 hours are feasable as well.
@JJStarr
@JJStarr 8 ай бұрын
I pull out my timer (which is not technically a pomo timer because I can customize work time and break time) when I'm having trouble getting motivated. I usually don't need to use it more than once, but it helps me get through the things I really don't want to start. Once I start, I can keep rolling without the timers.
@Stephanie-gv8rh
@Stephanie-gv8rh 11 ай бұрын
I had never even heard of this technique 😅 I do like your take on it, good common sense approach.
@vbph2011
@vbph2011 5 ай бұрын
Man your jokes are hilarious AND add to your point and make your point across. I love it.
@konchu
@konchu 11 ай бұрын
I have a hard time starting studying sometimes getting sidetracked over and over again. So I feel if I have intentional study I need to do, doing it 1st thing in the morning works for me before my brain gets caught in all the distractions of the day. I could see for some people they need a crutch to get going and with this they are like I am just going to do a least 3 study reps for 25 minutes then I can play, and this might work for them(its more the commitment and the measure of said commitment), not everyone is going to be derailed by the timer going off and I have seen many people say keep going if you are in the groove. I think it's more about have a tangible commitment that some people work better with that I am going to do at least this much. I do like having goals myself like I want to read one chapter, watch and episode etc. So I don't do the Pomodoro but I do like having the daily goals for a sense of accomplishment , so if this is a placebo that helps you push through that awesome.
@CouchPolyglot
@CouchPolyglot 11 ай бұрын
thanks a lot for the mention :) In my experience, the pomodoro method helps with things I do not feel like doing (e.g. taxes) or when I am procrastinating, it can help to be like "ok, I will switch off instagram, whatsapp, etc." and focus for 25 minutes. So I think it can help people with concentration difficulties or also anyone who is feeling lazy about a certain task. Or if you forget to take breaks, it can also help I think, you can do "several pomodoros" in a working session and just take short breaks to move a bit or drink some water. I find the name is actually cute hehe
@vaxrvaxr
@vaxrvaxr 11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@staceycoates1418
@staceycoates1418 11 ай бұрын
I come from the writing community. The only think I like about the pomodoro is the that they time the breaks in between as well. So you work for 25 and then you have a five minute break. It keeps the chatting between the work to a minimum. Where I find shorter sprints (30 minutes or less) is on low energy days. Because then I spend 20 minutes cleaning and that may be the only cleaning I get done. For example I may take one sprint to fold clothes, but then I find I actually have finished that chore and I work on something else to finish off the sprint so I actually get more done, but because I have given myself limited time I actually get more done. Probably the best thing I get out of sprints (in my writing community) is that if I have gotten off track, started watching youtube or doom-scrolling the end of the sprint brings me back. So it will bring back my focus if I stray. And I actually like 45 minute sprints because I have time to get into my work without feeling like I am going to be brought out of it just as I get into it. Also as I have gotten older, after 45 minutes it is great to get up and walk around for a minute to stretch. I find that I sometimes get into something and then forget to stretch or move around or go to the bathroom and so the break in the sprint is kinda a reset for that. Also because I am a parent, sometimes it is a great way to hold of the kids, 'at the end of this sprint I will help you with this'. But going back to the original point, I think sprints are great for tracking what you are doing not necessarily in increasing productivity on it's own.
@sremagamers
@sremagamers 8 ай бұрын
As someone in Software, I think timers can be very useful for timeboxing things. It's a field where there are a lot of problems that aren't obviously easily solvable and having a limit on "I'm going to spend 20 mins to 2h working on this and if I can't get anywhere I'll change tack or ask for help or do something else (and deprioritise this)" However, that doesn't make them obviously useful for learning or anything, just not getting stuck.
@katzenfrau
@katzenfrau 11 ай бұрын
I tried it a few years ago, but I found it more disruptive to my productivity. I barely got going before I "had" to take a break, so I dumped that technique real quick along with all the others and just work when and for how long I can / need to.
@mikelowden477
@mikelowden477 11 ай бұрын
I like to take longer blocks for things that require creativity or deeper work. Pomodoro is really helpful for me for mundane tasks or things I hate doing like emails or cleaning.
@bugbrainzz
@bugbrainzz 11 ай бұрын
I am diagnosed ADHD and timers dont work for me because then I'll just think about the timer while I'm supposed to work. Especially if it has an alarm because alarms startle me. I think the idea is fine for some people and some tasks, especially more daunting ones, by making it less of a commitment. But for me personally especially since I mostly study language by watching and reading media, I already look forward to doing it.
@stevencarr4002
@stevencarr4002 11 ай бұрын
Wow! How did you get hold of a 5.25 inch floppy disc? I'm wiping away tears of nostalgia just looking at a still frame of it. I can't work for more than an hour without needing a break.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
It's funny... I did have a joke in the video about why I have that... but it wasn't funny so I cut it, but now I feel like holding on to that piece of information for now haha.
@chorabari
@chorabari 10 ай бұрын
I use the pomodoro technique, but only occasionally when I'm either overwhelmed with many things I need to make progress on or am having problems getting motivated to start things. It seems to help me in those situations but I might use it 1-2 days per month.
@stevesmith291
@stevesmith291 11 ай бұрын
I've used the pomodoro method for studying (not language study -- work-related stuff) when I am having trouble motivating myself. Set the timer, work through. When the buzzer goes off, take a break. Always take a break. Unlike some of the other commenters, I don't find the concept of "flow state" very useful. I get more work done. I've played around with the intervals. In Mexican Spanish, "jitomate" is often used instead of "tomate." Russian (like some other Slavic languages and Lithuanian) borrows the Italian word: помидор (pomidor).
@NotesNNotes
@NotesNNotes 10 ай бұрын
You are not that much of an outlier at all! If I'm really invested in something (dev work, so coding) I can do a full 3 to 4 hours with no breaks. (Unless my bladder disagrees, lol) Adding a timer / external interruption really f's with programming because that *ding* could potentially throw me off of a solution to something that takes quite a while to mull through. on other days, 20 minutes can feel like torture.. I break up learning languages into much shorter blocks. 10 mins of German here, 5 minutes there, maybe later I have a video on in the background and passively try to identify words or phrases. Same feel re: my way isn't the right way, but having a timer interrupt my flow tends to be way more of a disadvantage than study strategy edit: it takes me probably 10 - 15 minutes to get into a good state of work with coding, mostly due to having to figure out where I left off (notes help with this but I still have to parse through some code)
@neutrino109
@neutrino109 10 ай бұрын
I'd never heard of the pomodoro method before. But what I'd kind of worked out for myself is if I gave myself a big number "I should compose an hour a day" I'd get stuck on "Do i reaaaally have an hour to do al that now?" but if I gave myself 15 min and then permission to quit that it was short enough for me to start but more often than not my brain would click into that flow state and I'd want to press on pass that. On the long end programming for work five hours is probably my limit. I maybe even should take a break (longer than bathroom/snack) but I get into this just one more thing state until my brain is fried. I don't know if I could be more productive during work if I had a longer break, but normally that burnout takes a while to snap out even after leaving work for the day. I also don't imagine I'm unique in this.
@FOXMAN09
@FOXMAN09 7 ай бұрын
I made the method only work for me once. It only worked for 2 reasons. One, I used it becase I wanted to do something like Lamont's 1000 cramming flashcard challenge. The thought of it was giving me the chills imagining how long it would take me. So telling myself I got to have a break in 25 minutes actually enabled me to start. Then the second reason I discovered it helped while doing it was it became kind of a game to complete as many cards as possible within 25 minutes. Thus it made me want to focus immedietly and result in me being more productive in the 25 minutes. But I rarely work/study like that. For 99% of other tasks which have lot's of unexpected stops and starts, it's just a nuisance.
@Skiltra
@Skiltra 11 ай бұрын
I do not see a point in a static amount of breaks, i usually assign a length a task takes and if it is more than an hour then maybe i will include a break otherwise I'm just going to do the task all the way through, as a break itself is a distraction. I prefer breaks after an Hour, although it definetely depends on the difficulty of the task, 30 minutes is way too short as a person than gets easily distracted.
@tigrafale4610
@tigrafale4610 11 ай бұрын
I'd say the main benefits of it are 1. fighting procrastination and 2. stopping burn out. I can get really into something and flow on it for 9 hours straight and have my conscious fighting me about whether I should work for another 10 minutes or go get a glass of water because I'm super thirsty. After a few days, I'm super burnt out on whatever I was doing and don't want to work on it any more. I also procrastinate everything I don't want to do and some things i do want to do. I don't think you really touched on either of these benefits and only focused on your perceived short term benefits of "not dying of exhaustion". Love your videos, cheers.
@TMMx
@TMMx 11 ай бұрын
I use pomodoros not to get myself to take breaks every 25 minutes, but rather to keep me from taking breaks every 2 minutes. My attention span can barely even hold on for that long.
@jillvslangs
@jillvslangs 7 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! someone finally said it. I'm ADHD af and so already stupid distractible, and it already takes me longer than 25 mins on average to even GET INTO "work mode". If I reach that glorious rare flow state I can go for anything between 6-8 hrs straight no problem. But if something interrupts my flow or work mode though, it's incredibly difficult to get back into it, and incredibly easy to look up an hour later from something super random I started doing instead of what I was supposed to be doing. This is why I have my phone on do not disturb when I work, just the buzz of a notification can rip me out of flow and then I'm in danger of getting distracted with some random other thing, and when I finally tear myself away it takes me another 30mins + to get back into high productivity mode. It's also why I only listen to playlists (and yeah, I also love lofi and am also particular about what kind of lofi XD ) that I've already curated myself, because a new track would immediately grab my attention and take me out of it. So tanking all this into account, Pomodoro, to me personally, has always sounded like.... completely incomprehensible nonsensical counter productive bovine excrement indeed. Interestingly though, I know that a lot of peeps with ADHD find it super helpful. which is crazy to me, but it's true that we all work differently, and so honestly, if it helps, all the power to them! :) Though I feel like it maybe has to do less with it being an effective interval and more with tricking your easily overwhelmed ADHD ass into actually starting a task because 25 mins is a lot less daunting than several hours, so it takes less effort to force yourself to sit down and get started. And then they probably don't even need the timer anymore... unless it's for reminders to keep working or get back to work on the bad distraction days. 🤔 Getting started in the first place is by far the most difficult as an ADHDer tho so I figure this may be a good psychological trick for some. Aaaaand I overshared and rambled again. whoops.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 7 ай бұрын
LOL your comment made my day. I get a lot of people saying that I'm full of s*** about a lot of things so this was appreciated.
@jillvslangs
@jillvslangs 6 ай бұрын
@@daysandwords haha glad I could be of service good sir ☺️ I appreciate your videos a lot and tho I may not always agree with absolutely everything you say, it’s obvious you put a lot of work, thought and care into making each one entertaining as well as informative and nice to look at to boot. Might not be able to give back monetarily because my stupid ass is already drowning in random subscriptions that I keep procrastinating to cancel, but I’m glad I could lift your mood with my rambles at least 😂
@charlenec.6166
@charlenec.6166 10 ай бұрын
I love the rant and I completely agree. For me, I find pomodoro extremely distracting - the activation energy that you use to start work after a break is much more than simply starting a block where you hopefully would get into a flow state. I think people can experiment with a counting up stopwatch to document the optimal time for their own individual flow state (if they really want to use a timer at all)
@ashley_smith
@ashley_smith 11 ай бұрын
I find it difficult to concentrate, so I like to use count up timers. My cats "help" with language learning by batting at my pens, sitting on my notebooks and books, etc. I play with them until they nap, then instantly need to focus, which usually doesn't happen. So I time how long I concentrate for, and try to beat that amount each subsequent round. I might get five seconds the first try, then two minutes, fourteen, and thirty-nine, or something. I'm just trying to do better than the last time, which is encouraging and kind of a game, too. Edit: I can't put my phone in the other room to avoid distraction as I need it for translation purposes, image acquisition, audio recordings from native speakers, and knowing when roomie is coming home so the cats must be away ie not escaping out the front door etc 🙃
@repairsolutions1559
@repairsolutions1559 11 ай бұрын
We remember the first and last (recency) thing better. So the more starts and stops, the more we remember. So its a good memory technique for retention; but yes, if you are creating, writing, etc. it would be better to stay in flow.
@herghamoo3242
@herghamoo3242 5 ай бұрын
I've never tried working with a timer. But I know that different types of work demand different lengths of sessions. In my teens I practiced the piano rather seriously (in my own opinion at least), and I found the ideal length of a practice session to be about an hour, with 15-minute breaks in between. If I went on for too long without a break, I would be mentally tired from analysing my own playing. Also, playing any instrument obviously puts stress on the body, too (I'll admit piano is one of the better ones there), and I didn't want to get tendonitis. For less physical, more creative work, I find that good sessions often can last between three and five hours, and the main problem is getting into that flow, being somewhat of a scatterbrain. I wanted to say this because I think it's easy to believe that everything connected to the creative arts (e.g. practicing an instrument) is creative work, when in reality it isn't necessarily so.
@MR-th8xk
@MR-th8xk 11 ай бұрын
Love it when Lamont takes down a sacred cow. Opinionated but never unfair.
@nielsv.2167
@nielsv.2167 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for standing up to Big Tomato! :D
@Learninglotsoflanguages
@Learninglotsoflanguages 8 ай бұрын
I liked the book “Deep Work” by Cal Newport because it gave me the perspective that it’s better to carve out a 2 hour undisturbed period vs these small sections with little breaks. Now with your children this can be hard, but I just wake up earlier. I’d definitely rather have a longer focused period and wait to take a break until my brain gets to the point that I can’t really describe, but I can tell when I hit a wall.
@Learninglotsoflanguages
@Learninglotsoflanguages 8 ай бұрын
And now I listened to the end. Honestly, if I didn’t have young kids, I could work/study 4-5 hours, no problem. I have to break it up at the moment, but I’d prefer to get it all done in one go. I’ll have to wait another 14 years more or so though I guess :P but in 2020 I’d do this with writing novels and studying languages.
@DeyRadiance
@DeyRadiance 9 ай бұрын
Research shows that sitting(not moving) for 30+ minutes can have adverse health effects. Plenty of studies showing obesity markers, increased blood pressure, high blood sugar, abnormal cholesterol levels, and musculoskeletal issues. I hear what you mean though. I spend inordinate amounts of time focused and working. Especially when fasting, I can go for 6+ hours without a break. I bought a standing desk to bypass the issues of sitting, as I can stretch while working at the same time. Great video.
@DeyRadiance
@DeyRadiance 9 ай бұрын
Biswas A, et al. - Sedentary Time and Its Association With Risk for Disease Incidence, Mortality, and Hospitalization in Adults (2015): Summary: This systematic review and meta-analysis found that prolonged sedentary time was associated with harmful health outcomes, irrespective of physical activity. Dunstan DW, et al. - Breaking Up Prolonged Sitting Reduces Postprandial Glucose and Insulin Responses (2012): Summary: This study found that breaking up sitting time with short bouts of light walking or simple resistance activities lowered post-meal glucose and insulin levels. Chau JY, et al. - Daily Sitting Time and All-Cause Mortality: A Meta-Analysis (2013): Summary: A meta-analysis that showed a consistent association between daily sitting time and increased all-cause mortality risk, emphasizing the importance of reducing sitting time. Katzmarzyk PT, et al. - Sitting Time and Mortality from All Causes, Cardiovascular Disease, and Cancer (2009): Summary: This study found that time spent sitting was independently associated with total mortality, regardless of physical activity level. Ebara T, et al. - Effects of adjustable sit-stand VDT workstations on workers' musculoskeletal discomfort, alertness and performance (2008): Summary: This research looked at adjustable sit-stand workstations and found that alternating between sitting and standing every 30 minutes reduced musculoskeletal discomfort. Thosar SS, et al. - Effect of Prolonged Sitting and Breaks in Sitting Time on Endothelial Function (2015): Summary: This study found that prolonged, uninterrupted sitting impairs endothelial function in the leg arteries, while breaking sitting with five-minute walking breaks can prevent this impairment.
@braydencraven3857
@braydencraven3857 11 ай бұрын
I find it incredibly humorous that you made an entire video on the so called "pomodoro technique" because of a buzzer in your Lo-Fi music. You must be quite passionate about Lo-Fi!
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Haha, as someone else pointed out, it's that it goes against the very nature of what lo-fi is. It'd be like buying a Ferrari and then getting it to the racetrack only to find out that it had a hard speed limit of 80kph that said "Remember to drive safely!" when you hit it.
@braydencraven3857
@braydencraven3857 11 ай бұрын
@@daysandwords I personally enjoy Lo-Fi quite a bit, and I have to agree. The only thing I hate more in regards to music is really good EDM tracks that are ruined by sudden, nonsensical, and poorly sung vocals. If you decide to launch an organization advocating for pure and unadulterated Lo-Fi and EDM, I will happily join it!
@justacarbuncle
@justacarbuncle 9 ай бұрын
I respect a man making a whole video because a timer popped up in his lofi video. I aspire to be this petty
@unduloid
@unduloid 2 ай бұрын
I have written several novels using the Pomodoro technique. I'd say it works pretty well.
@MisterGames
@MisterGames 10 ай бұрын
The small chunks idea is to get you started where you otherwise wouldn't, and to give relief from dull boring tasks that would otherwise be a waste of time pushing through. It gives your conscious mind a chance to "let go" of the stuff so the subconscious can begin to work on it, which it will not do while you are consciously engaged. Odd example: you are trying to recall the name of an actor in a movie and you think it over and over and you just will not get it. You turn to someone and ask "whats the name of the actor in..." and BAM the answer pops into your head. Or you have a shower or something else where your mind is off or distracted and BAM the answer comes. By actively thinking on it you told the subconscious you wanted the answer and it went and got it BUT it was not going to give it to you until you stopped consciously trying. You signaled you gave up when you turned to someone else to ask. Same concept in languages or learning anything. Your job is to take it in consciously then let it go so the subconscious can have it. Think of conscious as ram and subconscious as your hard drive. So there will be more benefit to do 30 minutes of translation, 30 minutes of scriptorium and watch a 30 minute target language TV show each day than trying to do 90 minutes of scriptorium. Likewise you will get better results doing scales for 30 minutes and then 30 minutes of tab when learning guitar than 60 minutes of scales, because the other 30 minutes of scales is pointless because your ram is full and the hard drive wont touch it until you stop, so to speak. BUT if you are doing something you know you flow with, then keep flowing. Pomodora should not be viewed as a absolute for all things. But for mundane things it is great.
@12kenbutsuri
@12kenbutsuri 11 ай бұрын
That's good to know, I always felt bad that I couldn't do pomodoro technique, because my focus starts way after 30 min of studying.
@jrjimmi98ify
@jrjimmi98ify 11 ай бұрын
I'm doing the Pomodoro Method and it works so well for me.
@Unofficial_YT
@Unofficial_YT 11 ай бұрын
Imo it really depends on the person and their preferences. For me, the Pomodoro Method would not work for the reasons you mentioned. I'm a big procrastinator, but when I get into something, I can grind for hours... so the 25-minute limit would just kill my grind. But for someone with a shorter attention span who is intimidated by the size of (insert thing they're supposed to be working on), breaking down the process into work-break chunks may be the best solution even if objectively it's inefficient.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Yep, very fair.
@alanguages
@alanguages 10 ай бұрын
The Pomodoro technique works, due to concentrated study. There have been studies also on how much a person remembers, and it is usually the beginning and ending of something. The middle aspect many forget. If they want to remember the middle, then make more beginnings and endings. Reviews of spaced repetition is also in this to commit into long term memory. Sessions like 10 mins. after, one hour after, 24 hrs. after, 1 week after, 1 month after, 3 months after and 6 months after.
@TheWorldofRobbie
@TheWorldofRobbie 11 ай бұрын
I agree with what some have already expressed in that this method sounds excellent for neurodivergent types. It's almost exactly the working method has already been recommended for productivity in folks with ADHD (such as myself). I think it might be beneficial to that minority that struggle with more conventional modes of thinking and learning.
@urbanfrog8466
@urbanfrog8466 8 ай бұрын
I have a focus/distraction issue, so it takes me about 20 minutes to really settle and start getting into flow. If a timer went off 5 minutes after I just got into the "zone," that timer would be flying out the window in VERY short order! Lol.
@mandiepitre8063
@mandiepitre8063 10 ай бұрын
Once I get going with studying languages, I can go on for hours, so I will sometimes put timers on for myself to make sure I don't forget when I have to leave for work 😂 But generally, if I don't have something to do, I will work for hours on end, no problem (probably because of my ADHD) - and I LOVE it.
@RealtalkLanguages
@RealtalkLanguages 11 ай бұрын
I've used Pomodoro for years and it works for me. Especially, if working from home.
@tanishqvedak1862
@tanishqvedak1862 11 ай бұрын
pomodoro never really worked for me. i either hyperfocus or can’t do anything. for me, i try to work on something for 15 or so mins- at that point i’ll either be bored- at which point we start the process with a new activity- or get “chosen” to do the thing and get into a hyper focussed state. i always have 3-4 activities on the burner. i break these down further into smaller tasks and then just keep hopping from task to task. i find that this “parallel” workflow helps me get things done on time but i do have to carry around a small notebook to keep track of all of my activities and sub-activities- around the end of semester i have 20-30 sub-activities a day but these tend to be a part of 3-5 bigger activities. each sub-activity generally takes me 10-15 mins to complete so it fits in with an 8 hour day. this kinda approach let’s me keep swapping from activity to activity while still getting all the things is need to get done.
@tytonshade
@tytonshade 11 ай бұрын
I'm a bit late to the conversation, I'm sure there are other Autistic/ADHD commenters here as well. I completely agree with 99% of what you've said here. My onlyrebuttal is that there are neurological desorders that can affect this perception of time. When I begin to get into a flow state on something I'm interested in it can take as little as 15 minutes and then I can be stuck on it for the next 20 hours following the chain of "well this needs to be done too..." Through A LOT of trial and error I've found that there are certain periods where I need to take extended breaks or I will burn out and simply move on to the next hyperfixation. The key here though is extended breaks. I don't think 25 minute intervals is good for much outside flashcards and a 5 minute break would most assuredly just be me thinking about my work while not actively doing it.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
I'm also neurodivergent (diagnosed long ago with ADHD) and have been known to spend hours on stuff "before bed" only to see the sun break through my window... But 25 minutes? The length of the track (2 hours) would prevent that.
@DoughBrain
@DoughBrain 10 ай бұрын
I find that when I talk to people about this method they usually say that they ignore the timer and keep going if they’re in a flow state. But they stop if the timer goes off and they’re not in a flow state. … Which always confused me personally because what is the point of following this method if you’re not going to actually follow the basic rules of it? Absolutely bizarre.
@whynotiris5515
@whynotiris5515 11 ай бұрын
I've used Pomodoro before and in my opinion it only works well for you if it's the absolutely only way you'll actually sit down and do the work. I wasn't used to focusing for a long time and I had to do that for studying, so setting a timer for 25min and convincing myself that I only need to do the hard thing for that amount of time and then it's break time worked well. But as soon I trained my brain to focus longer and longer, the timer would only disrupt the concentration and do more harm than good. Now I usually study for an hour and 15min before I need to take brake and I will probably achieve longer time the more I "practice". I agree with all that you said, the "science" behind Pomodoro is bullshit (there is none) and it can make focusing harder because it breaks your concentration, but if it allows you to actually start and do the work, use it for as long as it's useful.
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Yeah that's fair. IMO that's fine but this should never be used to interrupt lo-fi. It would be like having a diet program that feeds you a doughnut every 2 hours.
@DNA350ppm
@DNA350ppm 11 ай бұрын
Every generation has to innovate the wheel anew! 😁
@changingme1412
@changingme1412 8 ай бұрын
I have tried the pomodoro technique several times. It works as a startup thing. But when I get started those 5 minute breaks makes me crazy. So, after that first 5 minute break I just start the next 25 minute thing and don't give a shit after that. Works every time... hahaha. I just want to get the work done. I have done four and five hours sitting in front of my computer working on stuff in total concentration. Afterwards I realise a toilet break is imminently needed. But... flow is a beautiful thing.
@mellowgeekstudio
@mellowgeekstudio 11 ай бұрын
I searched for "altridian cycles" and couldn't find anything on it. I did find "ultradian cycles" but the description doesnt exactly match what was said in the video, mainly the part about we only getting two or three per day: "In chronobiology, an ultradian rhythm is a recurrent period or cycle repeated throughout a 24-hour day. In contrast, circadian rhythms complete one cycle daily, while infradian rhythms such as the human menstrual cycle have periods longer than a day. The Oxford English Dictionary's definition of Ultradian specifies that it refers to cycles with a period shorter than a day but longer than an hour. The descriptive term ultradian is used in sleep research in reference to the 90-120 minute cycling of the sleep stages during human sleep."
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
2 or 3 GOOD ones per day. You didn't need to search, the video was linked in the description.
@AndyWJP
@AndyWJP 9 ай бұрын
I agree that we do not want to be interrupted when in the flow, but after reading the comments I will try a Pomodoro App on my phone to force me to get stuff done that I am not keen on doing.
@katb.78
@katb.78 11 ай бұрын
Is that why school classes take 45 minutes? (Well, at least here in Germany, I don't know about other countries). In that case I was always pretty happy about the "timer" going off. Apart from that I only see two reasons to put on a timer. a) to stop procrastinating and finally get down to learning and b) to get out of the flow in case you need to be somewhere. But then I am just reading a book thats claims, that the newest scientific datas show, that no human being should be without proper movement for longer than 30 minutes. They suggest to take a five minute walk every half an hour, and though that might not be practical for most working people, it could be a reason to get a pomodoro kitchen thingy after all....
@Marguerite-Rouge
@Marguerite-Rouge 11 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you when you said it is better to follow the way you feel you are productive than science. Too many people are not aware of that fact and it is a pity. As a student in psychology myself, I know studies reveal just a general tendency: it is very important to know these tendencies, but it is also important to check if it matches with individual experiences and if not understand why (and not force the person to follow what science says because it is complete nonsense). This demarche I describe is just how science works: by trying, failing because it is not matching with the real world, and making then better hypothesis. Considering the Pomodoro technique, I think it is useful for people who struggle to feel themselves (and there are many such people). For example, some people got hurt because they pursued work even if they absolutely needed a break. And by the way, in Russian, tomato is помидор, so it is really close to the Italian word!
@daysandwords
@daysandwords 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I know there are some other languages where it's closer to pomodoro, and it must be something to do with the Latin for apple, but it's weird that it happened, since it came from a Nauhautl word, so it was presumably the Spaniards who brought them to Europe, yet their neighbours were like "Nope, we have a word for that, POMODORO!"
@medusa3592
@medusa3592 11 ай бұрын
It works for me.
@marshal-d-123
@marshal-d-123 9 ай бұрын
I find using a timer to work for a certain time and take a break for a certain time is helpful because it gives me a work-then-reward system that keeps me focused during the working time whereas without the timer I would not be able to focus at all. That's probably because of ADHD tho
@backfromcuba
@backfromcuba 10 ай бұрын
totally agree. although didn't express it as well as you. i felt Pomodoro was more for people struggling to extend their concentration time to 25 mins? and if that's the case, well, you've Something else wrong. either with you or what you're doing.
@paulwalther5237
@paulwalther5237 11 ай бұрын
Hopefully this video has an impact on the low-fi song writers around the world. I've heard this annoying bell during a great mental focus music track sometimes too and it's terrible. I've never officially gone Pomodoro but doing activities I don't enjoy but which are helpful IE Anki or maybe studying Grammar, studying for roughly 25 minutes chunks works well.. but I don't do a 5 minute break rather I switch to doing something else usually (watching a movie / tv show / youtube video). But I don't want this bell built into my music track. If you want a bell to go off it's so easy to set a timer on your phone instead. Why ruin a great study sound track?
@dmytronoks
@dmytronoks 9 ай бұрын
You didn't even give it a chance and started looking for evidence to support your inital point of view. And what a surprise that you found a few arguments. But you can just look at all the comments here coming from people who felt the beneficial effect of this method, myself included. It really helps a lot to get started and not feel overwhelmed by the amount of work/studying you've got to do. If I'm in the state of flow and don't want to interrupt my work, I won't do that. I usually just skip a break and add some extra time to the upcoming one. However most of the times taking small and frequent breaks contributes to your overall productivity and even physical health meaning that I can give some rest to my eyes off the computer and stretch for a few minutes.
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