Croatias Most Disturbing Musician (Satan Panonski)

[@deburke321]

Hope you guys enjoy this video! Very little is known about this man so I wanted to do my best to create a somewhat cohesive timeline that can serve as an introduction to Panonski and his music. If I'm correct (and I might not be lol), this should be the first video on KZbin ever done about Panonski in English, so if I made a few mistakes that's the reason why. Anyways, I hope you guys have a good day and I'll see you soon!

[@Vixysix]

Awesome!! Thanks!!

[@babakazi808]

I just recently heard of japaneese noise music. Sounds a little punk at times too, but do you think you could do a video on this? I heard they get pretty crazy and a bulldozer crashed through the stage as part of a set injuring people in the crowd lol

[@donmacpherson5498]

Loved this. Never heard of him until now, so well done. I am extremely intrigued. This man is instantly one of my heroes.

[@mariozilic3250]

Hello Deburke, friend of mine from Vinkovci where Satan comes from, he knows the brother of Satan Panonski, and he told him that Satam was murdered by Croatian army because he was always telling to people that he will slaughter the Serbs. He sad:" Do you know what I will do to the Serbs, if I am already cutting myself on the stage

[@knightwing5169]

Holy crap Deburke! I was not expecting another video from you so soon. Keep up the good work, dude.

[@amatije]

So glad that someone who's not from Croatia/Serbia is talking about Satan Panonski. He was such a nice man outside the stage. He bought me a beer one time before his concert and we had an interesting conversation. I was just a little girl back then but I'll never forget how kind he was. He was worried about me and a friend because we were young and alone at a punk concert. He told us to let him know if we had any problems that night. Thanks for the video!

[@FabioDish]

and how the concert was??

[@vedranboneta]

bio je na mdmi

[@milanbetmen4646]

ozzy osbourne is an insect for kečer

[@JAMBI..]

He wanted to do you

[@jupitershanty]

That's a LOVELY story. I wish more people were that way. Cheers

[@nullcorporation2332]

Not as Half as scary as Canadas Most Disturbing Musician 'Celine Dion'

[@SonicVR12]

🤣 You win the comments

[@nullcorporation2332]

@@SonicVR12 *bows*

[@SonicVR12]

@@nullcorporation2332 🤣🤣🤣

[@jovankuzmanovic2065]

Oh,the horror!!!

[@SonicVR12]

@@nullcorporation2332 And Justin Beiber😲. Terrifying

[@vidukadavor]

I knew Ivica, or Satan Panonski, even though I'm 10 years younger and I'm from Zagreb.But playing guitar in 'Majke', I met all the Punk Rock musicians who came from Vinkovci to Zagreb during the war. I experienced everything until I was 17 years old playing concerts all over Yugoslavia, but I will never forget how scared I was when I saw Satan's first concert in Kset-Zagreb. There was blood everywhere.He cut himself madly, I ran to the upper gallery out of fear. But later, when I met him, I saw that he is an intelligent and creative man, just a little crazy 😅 I have an interesting story. His backing band were mostly members of the very young band 'Pokvarena Mašta' from Vinkovci. They are my generation, so much younger than him. I later played with all of them in Majke and to this day I play with some of them in 'Kojoti' . Ivica was gay, and everyone in Vinkovci knew it , including his brother Vlado,( because of whom he killed a man). So Ivica and his brother Vlado came to the first gig of Pokvarene mašta in Vinkovci, when they were still teenagers. And when Vlado (who is straight) first saw Vanja, the bass player (with whom I play to this day), said to Ivica: 'Fuck,Ivica, this kid is prettier than my wife, I would fuck him too!' And Satan answered him: No! I don't touch fellow musicians!' 😅 Later, Vanja played Satan's last concert in Sarajevo, before the war. I'm glad I got to know him well, if only for a short time and I'm sorry he died.Don't believe all the Bullshit stories about his death.Even today his relatives don't know what exactly happened.And his death was never investigated. It's very shady businesses. Greetings to everyone from Zagreb, Croatia!

[@rudifx2523]

I don't know about everyone else here, but I know You Viduka and I really Respect everything you've done and what you're still doing for the Croatian Rock scene! I believe that everything you wrote is true. The punk rock scene in Vinkovci at that time was by far the best in the whole of Ex-Yugoslavia, and later in Croatia. And when I think about it, you are the only person who is not from Vinkovci, and you played the guitar and wrote songs with all of them .Because you are the best! Greetings to Legend!

[@pokojnitoza8495]

OH YEAH! A big salute to the legendary guitarist. I don't want to bother you, I'm just curious. Have you ever played with Satan Panonski?

[@vidukadavor]

@@pokojnitoza8495 Hey, hello Tozo! :) I didn't play the Gig with Ivica, unfortunately. But for that legendary performance with a lot of bands at Vrbik in Zg. 1990, he had the idea that Bare would play the bass for him( and that was very funny,) I would play the only guitar and Korozija from Majke drums. And we even had one rehearsal in that line-up. And that sounded very interesting. Korozija and I keep everything from falling apart, and Bare and Satan try to make everything fall apart haha 😁​​ And we were supposed to play that gig in a week time, but Korozija didn't show up at all, and Bare was 2 hours late for the gig. So Fuck it, there was the band Nepopravljivi from Vinkovci and they followed him at the end. Satan wanted me to join, but without Bare it wasn't so much for me fun. Today I'm a little sorry that I wasn't.

[@nikolajurenic87]

Viduka legendo hvala ti za sve zakon rifove od kojih me zbog benganja danima vrat bolio. 91' sam godište, obožavam majke i kojote iz devedesetih, satana sam glazbeno upoznao u tinejđerskim danima, i dan danas si ga pustim da se "ispraznim" kako bi on to rekao. Trese lupa udara od kad zajašio sam zmaja i postao razuzdan i lud! Rock on!

[@mattiassvanberg8292]

​@@nikolajurenic87 You're 91 years old and you've met Satan in your teenage years?

[@heavenlyrose3774]

I felt bad for him when he started talking about how he cuts himself to relieve some of his pain. He seemed like a nice, damaged man who had too many demons.

[@blebleh666]

Thats why prople cut themselves. To kill the pain

[@ScoobyShotU]

@UCBiJ3VKFC2qSItQ4e59QdxA lol that's stupid as fuck u cause physical pain to end mental pain like this is coming from someone who can't get out of physical pain I've broken 50 plus bones had 20 plus surgeries and I promise u nothing mental can cause the pain I've been threw and go threw day to day ppl like u make me sick

[@noseexplorer]

@@ScoobyShotU a lot of people do that as an unhealthy way to cope. And obviously the pain of self mutilation is not nearly as painful as breaking bones. So comparing the two makes no sense.

[@rizeorfall]

@@ScoobyShotU do you remember when you Shit your pants at Greg’s house? That was hilarious! For real I came hard to that image.

[@perkosherrigh7243]

More like a attention seeker

[@sharpen81]

I'm from Croatia, and it's really cool that someone from the west heard about him, since he is still pretty obscured even in Croatia (or Balkans). I think video covers main aspects of the story, but just wants to add some corrections. First one is about pronouncing his surname - it should be pronounced like this Chulyik. Just put it into google translate and you'll be good :). Second one is about his reasons to go to war. Basically he was a pacifist and against the war, but in his own words, he said something like this: "The village I was born and where my family lived was attacked. So I couldn't just watch someone trying to kill my mother, I had to fight". As for reasons on his death, yeah, the most widespread explanation is accident, but we will never know for sure. He is buried in Vinkovci, and some punk folks still visit his grave. PS You could also make a video about Goran Bare & Majke (Mothers). Goran was a bass player in Satan's band, but now is fronting his own band Majke that makes really quality music and are definitely more popular than Satan. But Goran also has interesting story of his own. You should check it out ;)

[@mucjka]

I also have to mention that there is a wide spread story/myth, that he was shot while charging an attack on a tank with a knife.

[@B.C.M]

Goran Bare & Majke-the best rnr band in the World 😉👌

[@Tomislav_B.]

Čuljak, nije Čuljik

[@derraucherhase123]

@@Tomislav_B. Haha even croatians are fighting about the pronunciation

[@johnjohn37371]

He didn't mention it, so maybe you can tell me, and I apologize for my ignorance...how big did punk music get in Croatia? Was there an influx of English and American punk or was it mostly homegrown? And how big was rock music in general in the late seventies early eighties? Was it a club level thing or were there major bands touring? Again, I'm sorry for my ignorance, just curious...

[@basedsouljah]

There is like NO INFORMATION ON THIS MAN. Huge huge huge shout out to you bro

[@lukadebeljak2485]

There is a lot of information about him online, and I do mean a lot

[@zaynes5094]

@@lukadebeljak2485 There is and there isn’t. Im sure if someone wanted to dig deep they could. As weird as this may sound, while I am very much Batman in the sense that I do not believe in killing, I do believe that those that hurt innocents, those that hurt/abuse children, or neglect their own, those are the ones that deserve a fate worse than death, but I also am a firm believer in that those that hurt others get what they deserve.

[@lukadebeljak2485]

@@zaynes5094 what are you on about man? I found a whole pdf file of his childhood, how he was friends with my father (ma fathers full name was in the file, he also told me often about Satan). There is a shit ton of informatiom, from old letters to conspiracies. I agree with you on the second half of your comment but what the fuck does that have do to with anything

[@zaynes5094]

@@lukadebeljak2485 You a Brit? I’ve only met one Brit in my life and they talked with a very broken accent. And, I don’t know. Call me Mr. random but I just like how he thinks about those bad types. I always akin evil people to that of a roach, easy enough to find, but incredibly hard to kill once found. So I don’t think he’s too far off from the truth in that regards.

[@lukadebeljak2485]

@@zaynes5094 im from croatia man, and yeah I agree

[@ghostx697]

Given what we know, he seems like the exact opposite person of GG they just shared similar marketing. The fact that GG would shit on himself and not bathe for days after and Satan would clean up immediately after a show tells you all you need to know.

[@lewisaino]

With that you know their personalities.

[@crazydud3380]

Yeah, nothing alike other than the self-harm during live shows, but GG wasn't the only other artist to do that (Mayhem, and some other black metal acts from that time).

[@alicemarksman8888]

@@crazydud3380 Even Marilyn Manson self harmed on stage. It's pretty sad that it's becoming mainstream to do it or seen as cool in the alternative scene. There's still tons of comments applauding him for it, encouraging, and a sht ton saying that it was bad-ss or similar things.

[@electricink3908]

GG died from a heroin OD , while Satan Panonski died defending for his country.

[@criticalmass6249]

GG was also saving his country... by taking all the super strong heroin so others in his country won’t be able to OD, quite admirable really.

[@robertor6289]

Fun fact: when he was a teenager, older people were scared of him when they saw him on the streets and yelled something like “Go aways Satan of Panonia.” He liked it and used it as a stage name. P.S. “satahn” is the right pronouncing of Satan on Croatian language (it’s not Satin as many people say in the comment section)

[@mbvteleshaka4366]

that was so fun

[@tinataylor3385]

It's Sotona iz Panonije. I'm from Croatia.

[@KattMurr]

Thank you for the clarification! I was wondering if the name was pronounced properly...

[@AliceSpaxxx]

I am from Croatia and as far as I know it's called Sotona!!!!

[@hobbitsodomizer7301]

@@tinataylor3385 Legenda iz Panonije :-). With Drinking Skull one of my favorite (mada nisam voljel punk on mi je bil brutalane dober).

[@debilana100]

In april 1991 we played a gig with Satan Panonski in Slovenia and i had some conversation to this man. I was 18 at that time. Very interesting person. I remember asking him if there is gonna be some blood and cuttings on the stage and he reply me he's not doing this anymore. The gig was chaotic anyway (4 bands played that evening) and i belive there must be a video somewhere in the archive of Slovenian national TV station. I know it because there was a video reportage few days after the gig. I saw it on TV.

[@aleksandarsasokotnik9310]

Dobravlje?

[@RealDJStew724]

Try to get a copy and upload it please

[@deadoperatordead]

My grandparents are Slovenian, and this man's story makes so much sense to me... I feel his pain, his angst, his sorrow... What can we do in a world so violent, when all we want is peace. Thank you for sharing your story! I would love to hear more about the punk scene in my native country.

[@Whackshit]

I gotta ask my uncle if he knew about this guy because he was the only one who really listened to metal and punk in my entire family

[@Kritikalhit-uf8ez]

Where you guys aware of gg allin at the time?

[@joker-mo8cb]

He's a lot more caring then gg and not near as ruthless.

[@HankStellae]

😆

[@joker-mo8cb]

@@HankStellae 💩

[@HankStellae]

@@joker-mo8cb lol, the best organic lube...

[@joker-mo8cb]

@@HankStellae gg allins favorite!!

[@HankStellae]

@@joker-mo8cb hahaha, the whiskey and heroin made it all slippery...

[@sunolili862]

the balkans is a wild place for music.the most obscure shit is going on here and we may never know half of it

[@Valerija-t4d]

Wdym? Im from here and nothimg obscure in music is happening

[@Fabio-Galante]

Nothing special ,as of right now ,everyone is following European trends. And 30 40+ years ago , you had a lot of rock bands following the steps of american rock bands.

[@hamzatufek534]

As a Bosnian(BALKAN COUNTRY) i confirm that

[@Occult_Gibbet]

A good place to start would be YT user @Dronemf.S

[@jevtamjdc5516]

@@Valerija-t4d Vidi, mnogo zavisi od toga u koju se rupu zavučeš i gde odeš,mnogi su na našim prostorima, na žalost u turbo-folk-u i ostalim govnima, i zaslepljeni time ne spoznaju podzemlje,ne spoznaju NAS

[@maddio998]

He’s much more articulate than GG ever was.

[@70zenboy]

GG not articulate? How about “Pulled out my Burning pecker and out came the puss” for a lyric huh? That’s pure poetry.

[@Dreammule]

Thats not poetry. Thats mearly a man simply stating what one does after a night of shooting up someone else's dope and playing a round of "How many rapes can the whores take".

[@daniele.7438]

GG would give this guy the pain he looking for and explode shit all over him . Either way for being a creative force on the other side of the world cheers and RIP Satahn

[@THICCTHICCTHICC]

GG was surprisingly articulate when he wasn't on drugs though. Which wasn't often of course, but everything I've read of him seems to indicate that there was a smart man underneath 3 layers of shit and blood.

[@christopher.saint.christopher]

Listening to the man's own words, I think GG had a well-developed mind obscured by emotional scarring and an endless appetite for attention (especially attention expressed as fear, outrage, or disgust). I'm not trying to defend the man's specific actions, which would be a foolish use of time, but maybe to understand some of the man himself. He's always fascinated me, even though he was (proudly 😸) a shit-stained degenerate who mostly made lame music. Also, I think it's funny, and maybe a little sad, that a video about Satan Panonski has more discussion about someone else.

[@no-prophet]

Man, I loved his music when I was a teen. I still have his tapes stored somewhere. "Albums" were called "Nuclear Olympic games", "How a punk defended Croatia" and "Ljuljajmo ljubljeni ljuljičasti ljulj" which translates "Swinging beloved purple ljulj", ljulj means weed or drugs in general. He was found dead during the civil war but the most told story around here is that he was killed by Croatian paramilitary forces. Another one is that he accidentally killed himself. I don't know which one is true, if any, probably very few people know. His name was Ivica Čuljak, pronounced something like Iwitza Choolyak.

[@your_belief_vs_everything]

I have much respect for him, the fact that he took up arms to defend his home ....most people now both kids and young adults, have no care for their nation(people/ethnic tribe).

[@dariodzimbeg]

As a Croatian, i may say that he was really famous in his way! Older generations still, to this day, quote his lyrics in various situations.

[@TeacherJuanMQ]

Can you please quote some? I'm really curious about it.

[@hrr597]

​@@TeacherJuanMQ yo mama gay

[@jasamfilip8691]

@@TeacherJuanMQ From the song 'Pioniri Maleni' (1st verse): "When I was seven years old they put a red scarf around my neck it was tight, I was drowning I still have trauma today" It's about growing up while being obliged to be a member of Yugoslav communist youth called 'Pioniri' (Pioneers). The kids famously wore a red scarf and a blue/white uniform - the Yugoslaw flag colours.

[@lcd284]

Traumu?! Kao poslednja generacija pionira 82 .. ne seri!!

[@4md17]

​@@lcd284 nažalost, mnoga djeca su bila odgajana da gledaju na to kao traumu

[@jackcroatan]

There is a myth about him from the time he was in the Croatian army. The legend goes that he captured a Serbian soldier, and instead of killing him, he undressed himself and started cutting himself while saying to the imprisoned soldier, "I'm doing this to myself, imagine what I would do to you." The soldier had a heart attack and died on the spot. Well, that is what the legend says, anyway.

[@soupisgoodfood84]

Its obviously just a legend,lots of fucked up shit happened back then that was a 100% worse than this,but a cool legend for sure.

[@B.C.M]

That is truth...for Serbian soldiers..Satan(Ivica Culjak)Kecer II,is be very dangerous Man.!!!but genius Artist😉

[@imeprezime732]

Dumb.

[@pantagana8955]

i never heard this legend about him

[@mad.postman]

That is 100% true, my friends father served army with him. He had a wire around his throusers where he was collecting enemy ears that he cut off off them.

[@markopanic6371]

It's always surreal to hear someone talk about a niche thing you know about, especially if it's from a english speaking youtuber I've been subbed to for these kind of stories.

[@lolplavi1556]

Im from the city where Satan Panonski(Ivica Čuljak) started everything he was born in Cerna small vilg. next to Vinkovci. He was man with very very good in painting but he wanted to be a singer. First group he was in Pogreb X and he was know as a singer who cut him self to bone destroy bottels of beer on hid head and too much more things.. he got his name Satan Panonski when he got home from hospital and some granny say to him ,,Go away Satan of Panonian" he liked that name started using it.

[@tompanoname3579]

And you can add that he was bisexual.

[@JennaLeigh]

Thank you for adding that context!

[@pissypixiesplayland70]

So am I correct that tha channel owner is mispronouncin' his name as Satin insteada like tha Devil = Satan??? 🤣😁😝

[@JennaLeigh]

@@pissypixiesplayland70 he mentions in the video that the guy himself pronounced it that way.

[@pissypixiesplayland70]

@@JennaLeigh Thank u... I musta missed that!!! 😳

[@unitedfederationofidiots1985]

My dad met him during the war when he (my dad) was in hospital because he got wounded and so he said to me that Satan came to his room where were other wounded soldiers and he just pointed at my dad and said "You, do you wanna go for a beer" and my dad said that he couldn't walk because of the wound and so Satan took my dad carried him on his shoulders outside of the hospital across the street to a bar and drank beer with him.

[@saitamad.anarchist9527]

What happened next? I wish I could know more about him.

[@unitedfederationofidiots1985]

@@saitamad.anarchist9527 They parted ways. After a couple of months my dad got the news he was dead.

[@jreschke5]

One was named Jesus Christ and one was named satan. Pretty wild

[@deburke321]

Haha didn’t even think of that, they’re kindred spirits

[@amnesia2558]

Yeah and gg hated everyone and loved himself, and satan hated himself and loved everyone else.satan said he cant hate anyone but he has to punish ones who want to harm his town,mother or brothers

[@mkeflynn9542]

That would be with a capital "S"

[@vedranb87]

@@deburke321 Wow... With this in mind you could definitely make a follow-up video about the symbolic representation of the entire modern Christian world through the lens of these two people, their attitudes towards the world and the resulting irony.

[@nelsonx5326]

And one tossed the name away while the other created his.

[@glueball9511]

gg was alot more combative and toxic than this dude. this guy seems like a caring and conflicted person. i appreciate the study you put forth

[@joaquinvaleri7022]

Nobody likes gg

[@acidfather]

I once played in a band called Drop Dead in Novi Sad, we were opening for Pogreb X, the first band of Satan Panonski. They were telling me stories about him, how was he like and how he died. It was such an experience to talk to people who knew him personally and who played with him.

[@your_belief_vs_everything]

Is it the Drop Dead that was around in the late 90s and mid 90s? Kind of like punk/grind? When I was living in CO Springs in 1998/1999 Drop Dead played in our house. Or they were going to, or something weird like that. We had a commune type house, lots of people living there, always new people coming and going. Train hoppers and gutter trash. The usual.

[@notlebowski]

kako je umro brate? glupi internet kaže da je umro u "nerazjašnjenim" okolnostima

[@MrSlavonski]

Ivica je nosio pušku na prsima, metak je bio u cijevi, bila je zima, bilo je snijega i leda, sa prijateljem je bio na povratku kući, kada je ugledao led uspred sebe, odlučio se klizati, kao šta smo svi to radili kad smo bili klinci, no pao je na leđa, puška je pri padu opalila i pogodila ga u glavu, sve je bilo nestvarno i gotovo u sekundi... 😢

[@acidfather]

@@MrSlavonski tacno to

[@inemanja]

@@acidfather To isto kaze i internet. Ali mnogi koji su mu bili bliski kazu da nije bas tako. Ima cak i u komentarima (davor iz Kojota/Majki je pomenuo)

[@RC99_Productions]

Nice to see rather-unknown artists get some recognition through your videos. I think it would be a challenge if you tackled a entire sub-genre of music, giving a overall retrospective about how these bands portray their image, their live performances, their singing techniques like either growls or melodies etc. For example, I recommend the metal genre with their 20 billion sub-genres like Grindcore, Pirate Metal, Death Metal, Funeral Doom Metal etc etc. (Seriously, there are loads of sub-genres; even sub-genres within sub-genres). Thanks and keep up the awesome work.

[@deburke321]

Thank you! And yeah I try to talk about the genres and the impact these artists have on it whenever I'm covering somebody. Like in my video on Mayhem I talked a lot about Black Metal in general and mentioned a few other bands that influenced the genre. Maybe down the line I'll covere a full genre, my brother was actually in a Folk Metal band so I've learned a lot about the interesting sub genres of metal through him.

[@RC99_Productions]

@Stanley Broniszewski Grindcore is basically death metal + metalcore, Pirate Metal is heavy metal + pirate themes and lyrics and Funeral Doom Metal is symphonic black metal + funeral/death themes and lyrics.

[@lars38010]

@@RC99_Productions Uh don't you mean Death Metal+Hardcore Punk? I mean Grindcore has been influenced by way more, than just those 2 but still. Also isn't Pirate Metal just part of Folk Metal? And isn't Funeral Doom Metal, Death-Doom with funeral dirge music?

[@uwujaki]

@@deburke321 0

[@somewhatsomething4882]

@@RC99_Productions dude grindcore was around long before metalcore so to say grindcore is metalcore and death is kinda putting the cart in front of the horse.

[@vukasin369]

Some more facts about Satan: 1. GG Allin Offered him to do a show together but requested he cut off his nipple on stage. Satan said he will do it if GG does it too which GG Allin declined. 2. During war he fought on both sides and killed his own & his enemies. 3. There's a theory he started the cult "Crna Ruza" (Black Rose) with a Serbian legionnaire Milorad Ulemek 4. He advocated sexual differences between people when that was the most controversial thing to do in Yugoslavia, alto he was bisexual and identified as a male, he once made a performance wearing high-heels and stockings. Mad Respect to this guy! (I can give source for each of these informations)

[@Jurkss77]

Ubijo i svoje i tude zasto?

[@gipsybulldog3286]

Istina je samo ovo zadnje.

[@reddahlia9321]

Joj daj, ne lupaj 🤣

[@aeo17948]

Prvi put cujem to za Ulemeka. Odakle znas za to?

[@lovro590]

Basically everything written here is made up except number 4. He surely didn’t fight for both sides during the war and that stuff connecting him to Milorad Ulemek through “Black Rose” is the most bizzare made up stuff i’ve heard in a while.

[@TheMightyPika]

Fantastic. You're doing the world a favor by documenting these fascinating artists. If I may, it would be great to hear about shock actor Thistle Harlequin, whose KZbin and Devianart pages are still up, following his health decline like eerie monuments.

[@damirosmic1426]

Punk by nationality, friend by profession.(Po narodnosti punker, po zanimanju prijatelj)

[@inemanja]

@@umagnovenju Onaj koji prodje i vidi svakakve gluposti. koliko je pocetkom karijere mrzeo nacionalizam, toliko je na kraju bio nacionalista.. jbg

[@davidd2662]

I fuck with this. Can you just do a series about interesting / weird people. Idc if they're musicians. In just interested in weird people

[@georgehays4908]

....I'm weird !

[@davidd2662]

@@georgehays4908 how weird my nigga? What's the weirdest shit you do

[@georgehays4908]

@@davidd2662 .......I know the answers to everything ! I'm in a small minority . We call it.......The Great Controversy .

[@georgehays4908]

@@davidd2662 ........I go door to door , explaining the cosmic forces of good and evil . I also work with street level . 2 great players in The Great Controversy . It's the cosmic battle for all the chips .

[@rickydo6572]

I browse the "Nightmare fuel" tag in Rule 34 because it's the only way for me to feel something nowdays.

[@badgirlsar1097]

I love how he says 'I could never hurt an animal'. Like a lot of people think like that, fuck hurting an innocent animal but a fucking human being that has enough brain cells to not be an asshole can catch these hands for real.

[@ericalagrasta7657]

As a big fan of GG Allin, you got me from the tag line here. What a fine job you’ve done summarizing this fascinating artist. Thank you so much!

[@joaquinvaleri7022]

Hey you should not be a fan to gg allin ok? and his music suck bro

[@PokojniToza1804]

There is an urban legend about him during the war. Is it true or not I do not know. It goes that one day in the trenches he suddenly stood up and started walking towards the Serbian lines. His comrades started shouting at him and asking where was he going and he said that he was going over to Serbs to buy some rakija (Balkan home made booze) because the one they have is probably better than the crap Croats currently had. He walked over there, no one shot at him and after about half an hour came back with a canister of booze completely unharmed. When asked what happened there he replied "nothing, I asked to buy some rakija and they had some to sell". By the urban legend it happened about a month before his death.

[@georgemcmillan9172]

There is a fine line between creativity and madness. Throughout history, many of the so called "masters of their art have also dealt with mental issues. Van Goh severed his ear, Einstien would not stop working to relieve himself, as he thought it was unecessary, he had 7 sets of the same clothing, so he would not be distracted to choose. Satan Panovski is a prime example of this condition. Incredible creativity, self pecieved and clinical madness. I wish there were more information about his life and art. It sounds as though were it not for his untimely death, he would have been a force to be reckoned with...

[@BlackJesusChrist666]

Men who incline towards creative endeavors score very high in neuroticism and very low in orderliness on average.

[@efe_aydal]

Thank you for the dark themed video. Goes very well while working on a project.

[@deburke321]

Thank you Efe I hope you're doing well!

[@efe_aydal]

@@deburke321 Yeah, when editing my podcast, from time to time I need to convert a part of the podcast into a videon AE. There I don't need any sound so I put on a dark themed video (because it's the middle night and I'm alone). Makes me enjoy my job.

[@vicioussuspicious894]

@@efe_aydal tam bu filmden sonra podcastini dinleyecektim

[@meshuugahh2478]

Buney abisi

[@jessie9465]

Satan is weak, Jesus is Strong!

[@MrKrps]

Satan Panonski is one of the greatest and one of the most underestimated artists from Croatia.. Great video!!

[@tompanoname3579]

There's a book called "Prijatelj" ( "The Friend" )made for Zdenko Franjić label "Slušaj Najglasnije" which was essentially the label that carried out Satan Panonski, and many ex yugoslav bands that started from scratch and had music and music only. Of course, "Slušaj Najglasnije" is now no more, cos Zdenko was all about music and little about money. Still, it stays a cult label among afficcionados. Beside that, there is a documentary "Oči u Magli" that is tightly related with this topic.

[@Adi_Zlokob_1986]

everyone in these parts of the world, balkans, everyone who stepped into underground music at least, knows about satan panonski. he is most respected from black metal and extreme punk population here. he is still a very misterious even in countries where he was from, which adds to obscurity of it all. and his artistic live act can be compared to gg allin to some point, shock value at least. but not so much in other spheres. satan gave more creepy and eerie vibe, or the vibe that SDBM gives you. he was a punk but really philosophical, lonewolf and poetic kind of guy. if you think about it, pretty much a contrast to gg allin's character. also music and lyrics were pretty much different. panonska hrvatska (panon croatia) is a continental part of croatia. so name "panonski" in croatian is like an adjectiv, and the meaning of the name would be something like "satan from panon". but pronunciation is not classic "satan" like in english, its sa-tan, or like someone else in the comments said sah-tan.

[@bleedingsun6271]

Thank you so much for this ! I'm from Tunisia I would be really interested in discussing this !

[@KrunoJanes]

His name should be pronounced kinda like Ivitza Chulyak.

[@Akislav1990]

This comment is relevant, and needs more upvotes

[@milanmiljus823]

yes, I get how he got "call-jack" but it doesn't sound remotely like the real thing, which is something like "choo-yak"

[@domagojvrsaljko6161]

Eeveetza Choolyak

[@Akislav1990]

@@domagojvrsaljko6161 yes, Eveetza/Eveetsa is spot on. But I would go with Choo-yak instead, since the L is so silent. It would be pronounced by an american as Čul jak, and not Čuljak.

[@vedranb87]

@@Akislav1990 "LJ" is similar to "LL" in "Mallorca", and yes, Brits and Americans pronounce it "Mah-yaw-kah" or "Mai-or-kah" respectively", so I guess Choo-yak could be the way to go.

[@kiwi_renegade]

Important thing that makes him very different from GG is that GG didn’t mind harming others, Satan was a dear soul that wouldn’t hurt a fly and said there is so much love in his blood along with pain too.

[@joaquinvaleri7022]

Nobody likes GG

[@bratban919]

Hey great video... I'm from Croatia, Koprivnica. I have never actually heard about Satan Panonski... But thank you for giving me more information about my country!

[@lukalegcevic5300]

Interesting. I was a part of Zagreb's punk scene in early 2000's and back then the most commonly believed theory about his death was that he was shot by MP's when they tried to arrest him for human rights violations. Allegedly, he was torturing POW's but cutting him self in front of them saying "If I can do this to myself imagine what I can do to you".

[@gipsybulldog3286]

There's even stories that he cutted POWs ears and made necklace out of them.

[@Ford57483]

As a Croat I want to try to tell you how to pronounce some words, even though our language is very difficult for foreigners. His name should be read as Eevitsa Tschoolyak, and his hometown is called Vinkovci, pronounced as Vinkovtsy. At the beginning of his career he was known as Kečer (pronounced as Ketscher), which is Croatian word for wrestler. His first band was called Pogreb X, and pogreb means funeral in Croatian. Satan Panonski means The Satan of Pannonia, and Pannonia is the old name for Slavonia, the part of Croatia where he came from. He was clearly mentally ill, but he managed to turn that into a sort of creativity. And his death is mysterious, there is even a theory that he was killed by his colleagues because they were afraid of him. Also, his nationalistic attitudes were probably just a gimmick, something he was using to shock people. He is nowadays considered a punk icon and a very influential Croatian musician. And there is another cult musician that comes from Vinkovci, his name is Goran Bare. Beside some great songs he made with his band Majke (Mayke, meaning The Mothers), he is infamous for being the most well known heroin user in Croatia. Us Croats like to make fun of his drunken and drugged up public performances, but he is nevertheless one of the most respected rock musicians in our country.

[@djuraster]

who cares about pronaunciation, get a life dude

[@shawngowen8527]

i know this is from 3 YEARS ago heh.. but thank you very much for that.. "satan" ivica sounds like a very interesting person and i am really enjoying reading through the comments here.. reading this and others that were from there at that time.. i aint a"young'un" EITHER heh.. but its really interesting to learn about new artists from back then cuz it was very closed OFF at that time.. im U.S. old ass video and i know and have seen thru the comments about the GG allin comparrison for the click value that a lot over the past 3 years has been elborated on.. and you had the most comprehensive explanation and pronunciations of certain words i have seen yet

[@igorsvacic217]

So, I went to voulonteer on some floods a couple years ago into the region where he was born and where he is burried. And, since I was there for 10 days or so, I went to find his grave, just as a hommage to my young days as a punk rocker. I was pretty surprised how much of a cult following he has. There were small items from ALL ARROUND Europe. And, he is burried in really small cemetery, it aint on coast or tourist areas of Croatia, it is really far from everything. Like 95% of ppl thatvisited his grave went there with that purpouse in mind, you can bet there wasnt a lot of ppl like me who were there and than visited the site on a side note. The very day I was there two guys from fucking Norway came to visit. A guy and his girlfriend actually. Left a small quote of his written on a candle, left thanks for his participation in our defending forces in war, thats it. About his tragic end. He was NOT killed by other soldier, nor croatian nor serbian side (both were circulated theories). He didnt commit suicide. It wasnt an accident. It was murder. Revenge for his actios on that Meri Cetinić concert (not his own, as stated in the clip). This is 100% valid, and 100% true. I can even give you a name of a killer, but I did promise I will never say it. Furthermore, there are footage of two more concerts (even three, cant be sure right now). There is a book also, titled "Čizme slobode" (the boots of freedom). the name of his band Pogreb X translates as "burrial X" -" My nationality is punk-rocker, my profession is a friend. I am Peter Pan, a Satan from panonian valley." vratit ćeš se Kečeru!

[@ROSE6450]

Što je to bilo vezano za koncert meri cetinić?

[@ROSE6450]

Nevermind,sad sam skužila 😊

[@bluskalar2981]

where was he buried?

[@blueytangled9215]

Thank you for this. Satan Panowski, little known punk genius. As a Brit punk born in 1972. I hadn't EVER heard of GG Alllen till i watched your video. Gawd bless America, it truly is a separate world

[@303Cheryl]

When he says he could never kill an animal and how a simple tree is more valuable than a human, it really resonated with me. i would have liked to be this man's friend.

[@小鹿-p8f]

yeah me too, i really connected with that sentiment.

[@joshstanton267]

What he said there was on a whole different level.. I admire this man's mind.

[@toyharm3022]

That's very kind of you goes a long way

[@happity]

he'd rather befriend a tree.

[@zeroheroes4081]

I can recommend you to spend some time in nature and you'll quickly be cured from those delusions

[@grutopsy]

Holy fucking god, i never ever thought i was gonna see a Satan Panonski video, I spent my teenage years studying his music, I was the only one in ym circle of friends that liked it... Greetings from Croatia

[@o.k.o.project]

Here's the translated topic on russian: Welcome! Ivitsa Chul'ak - a punk by nationality, a friend by profession, mentally injured, humanist, Slavic G.G.Allin, a twisted freak, a vivid masochist, a poet, a singer, a paint artist, a maniac depressed patient, a patriot, an idol for 3.5 anonymous, and simply a good man. P. S. Dig for his songs, photos, videos and bring it HERE!

[@coreywittenborn5162]

He seems nothing like GG Alan really, more like an individual struggling with existential strife and a passion for art!

[@joaquinvaleri7022]

Nobody likes gg

[@Luv90716]

May you never delete this because this is the most information I ever found on him

[@Sonmz]

Wow, thnx! I was waiting for this video for years. Discovered his music 20 years ago or so.

[@lastrights23]

>introspective artist soooo not like GG at all?

[@aisforapple2494]

Interesting video! I've never heard of Satan Panonski before, but I am a GG Allin fan. I'll be looking into more of Satan's work.

[@djeddjole]

I dunno why but the last sentence is hilarious to me.

[@onepunch9203]

@@djeddjole Me too. Satan's work, after all, is all around us every day. 🥴

[@djeddjole]

@@onepunch9203 You must be a piece of his work then, cuz you're devilishly handsome. 😎👉👉

[@rodneystanger1651]

I don't know that I'm a fan, but gg is interesting, that's for sure.

[@Hugh-Man0006]

I love your documentarys. But must ask, why do you pronounce his stage name Satin, like the fabric rather than Satan (say-tin) like you know the devil?

[@pidakin9012]

That's how his name is pronounced in Croatian

[@jakeDS665Bitch_Respect_4eva]

I was wondering the same thing..lol

[@Hugh-Man0006]

@@pidakin9012 that would make sense, i thought maybe a monetisation issue.

[@deburke321]

That’s mostly the way he pronounced it in the documentary and there’s actually a moment where it seems like someone on the radio says “your names Satan?” and he responds “No Satin, satin, you’re wrong” or something to that effect Although I could’ve misinterpreted that it’s hard to tell, either way the spellings obviously Satan so I think either one is alright to use

[@TimDarlingboy]

@@pidakin9012 no, it's Sathan...

[@igorb.kastelfranko9783]

Goran Bare also from a well known band "Majke", (famous Croatian rock singer) played bass guitar back in the days with Satan. Here is a recent interview made with him, where he speaks about Satan. Unfortunatly, croatian only.

[@belmordok3661]

It's not "koljak", but "choo-lyak" (or something like that). Originaly, it's Čuljak.

[@AlSpice]

Wow! As soon as u described him as a Croatian GG Allin, I knew I had to keep watching. This is really interesting. I'll have to look into his music more, and see if I can find that doc

[@mikeyfn-a6684]

Makes me wonder what amount of influence/inspiration he played on the life/work of Diamanda Galas. A close, personal favorite of my soulmate.

[@bibibratx]

So true, he really reminded me of her on his performances.

[@Edgelordess]

I normally know about weird or disturbing musicians but this one isn't on my radar. Thanks for making this video and educating me.

[@despacito2271]

Then I guess you've heard of mac DeMarco he likes drum sticks if you know what I mean

[@jakovzucic8624]

Not sure if it's already been mentioned in the comments here but the most eligible theory about his death comes from Vladimir Soldo himself, stating in an interview that Satan (reportedly) accidentally shot himself after slipping on ice on one night during wartime, couple of hours after which he was pronounced dead at the hospital. In the same interview, Soldo shared an experience where Satan Panonski connected his hands to his nipples and other parts of his body with chains and needles during a concert in Županja (another town near Vinkovci). Afterwards, he allegedly tore the chains, causing blood to spurt all over, after which he procceeded to further mutilate himself with the same utensils, causing the entire band Pogreb X to be banned from performing in Županja. Anyway, as someone from Vinkovci I'm excited to see this artist get such coverage, since he is still considered an eccentric icon of our music scene.

[@aleksandarsasokotnik9310]

Ivica spent a few last weeks at my place...came to Ajdovscina wounded from front...we helped him out for couple of weeks while he returned back after...and got killed by "its own" army after giving an interview to newspaper Globus explaining plans of Tudjman ... Ivica, big heart and sad soul!

[@ipadiii5724]

This is the truth! Your words are saying what exactly happened with Satan Panonski! Yes he was a sad but very beautiful soul! May he rest in peace and love. Greetings from Emanuela!

[@aleksandarsasokotnik9310]

@@ipadiii5724 please keep him in a nice and warm memory. Greetings back!

[@ipadiii5724]

Yes I will, thank you 💜

[@nattmelankoli]

his name is not pronounced "Ivika Kuljak" but more like eevi-tsa chool-yak

[@nika-qf8cq]

as someone whos mixed slovenian/bosnian, the pronounciation of his real name and birth town is hilarious😂 but nonetheless its a rlly nice documentary :)

[@peternagy-im4be]

Is there a big difference with Croatian/Serbian??

[@reggiekrager5411]

@@peternagy-im4be Serbians, Croatians, Montenegrins and Bosniaks all speak the same language, called Serbo-Croatian, which was also the main official language of Yugoslavia. Except for a couple of regional words it's pretty much the same language in all three countries and they can all understand each other. Slovenian is a completely distinct language though, and people in North Macedonia speak a regional version of Bulgarian.

[@小鹿-p8f]

@@peternagy-im4be i'm Serbian and what Reggie said is correct. people from Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia are all mutually intelligible, it's basically the same language (compare american, british and australian english basically). Macedonian, i need to really focus to understand it, but we can communicate if we speak slowly enough. Slovenian is very different and i can barely understand it (which is a shame as i think it's a beautiful language)

[@BrickwallStudios0]

I can translate any part if you're interested, i'm from Croatia, some 45min. from Satan's home town. His brother owned a Citroen car saloon, we bought a car directly from him. Also random "fact", there is a rumor that he charged empty handed an upcoming tank, and he got shot, so it was like a suicide. He was a interesting character, but some of his lyrics are very controversial, disturbing yet hilarious.

[@roscomcfarland204]

The show of him breaking the bottle over his head, and the self harm. Him being found dead in a military uniform (to me) leaves us with one last statement of expression.

[@shurdi3]

Satan Panonski isn't all that popular in croatia either. It's a vast minority that know who he is Personal favorite songs are Lepi Mario, Slavica, Odrezi Narezi Zarezi, and Trpi Kurvo RIP

[@Saffron-sugar]

Excellent work! Thanks for posting

[@sobdummie7118]

so glad to hear someone cover this outside of the balkans :)

[@lovroschannel]

A Croatian viewer here! :) Even though I was never really into Croatian old school punk, I've heard stories from the guys from Vinkovci (Satan's birthplace) that GG Allin and Satan Panonski were actually talking to each other somehow. I don't know how, why and when, but it seems quite "fictional" to me. It might be possible tho...

[@tempseques]

this is great work man, and much needed.. i never heard about him before, to my shame. thank you, like 4 reals..~

[@TheNutmeg666]

I want to know so much more now. Thank you for the video, Deburke!

[@fluro5200]

izvrstno! great job! in the 80s, there was a great deal of fine art, especially in music all over the Yugoslavia. Better than ever!

[@petrah7286]

Would you consider making a video about Let 3?

[@electrosurgerynoiseunit3573]

Thanks so much for this. Found this by chance and love it!!

[@ricktherrien8235]

Ya I would have loved to hear more about him but this was a great starting point to his legendary story and I am interested In learning more about the life and times of this curious enigma of a man. Thank you kindly for taking the time to try and help inform us about such a riveting story and unique character that was Satan.

[@murdoxxed]

the croatian language sounds hella metal in general

[@sylvie9478]

Such a fascinating personality, thanks for making this video!

[@svjetlanaravlic7713]

As a Croatian I find this very interesting, good job

[@hamzatufek534]

Jest mi drago haha nek neko zna I za nas sa Balkana

[@lcd284]

​@@hamzatufek534 znaju svi, ne boj se.

[@leftlegcemetery]

"I think a simple tree is more valuable than this man" 👌

[@nomdeguerre13]

wow, this was fantastic and well done about a pretty incredible/thoughtful artist from a long time ago. Such great stuff from this era all things considered.

[@olfox1694]

Croatian punk in the 70s and early 80s was probably the most interesting scene in the world...so many apstract charachters,unique art and music pieces and above all...it nowadays seems as if it never happened...like a mythical,forgotten time you only hear of in stories...great video,but just to correct you on pronouncing Vinkovci...in Croatian every letter is it's own sound and we pronounce every letter so the closest I can transcribe it to you would be something like "wincawtsi" and pronounce it with your tongue at the bottom of your mouth

[@thetruemusichead]

Wow, very interesting artist. This video was a perfect introduction, thanks so much

[@gbeagle417]

Wait on this series.. U got obscure musians series?

[@thepoormanspoet3312]

Hey man, I REALLY respect all the work and time and research you have to have put in on these Morbid Musicians videos. They're extremely well done and very entertaining. You've made this subgenre one of my favorites, which is an accomplishment seeing as how it's such a specific niche. Good on YOU, brother. 👏👏👏

[@deburke321]

Thank you Dave I really appreciate it, I've loved making this series throughout the year and I'm excited to make more, it's definitely more creatively fulfilling than anything else I've made on KZbin so comments like these really mean a lot!

[@thepoormanspoet3312]

@@deburke321 Well I really mean it, lol... Keep up the great work! 🤘

[@americanwomenstayawayfromm5420]

Morbid is the correct term

[@FGazi-qf1hp]

I read a lot about him. And no he wasn't nationalistic. He said his nationality is Punk, he is no Croat or Yugoslav. The reason he joined the war is enemies attacked his family and friends, and in that war there were really big ethnic clensing and killing of innocents. And the 3 theories Bout his death: 1. He charged a enemy tank with a axe and he died. 2. His comrades were scared of him and they shot him. 3. This one is the most common because his brother said it somewhere in a interwiev that it was really a accident. He slipped on ice and the gun didn't have safety on and he shot himself in the head by accident. P.S. Am really surprised someone did a video of him. Thanks mate

[@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage]

Damn, I'm loving these videos, just cause they're dead, don't mean they're forgotten.

[@baron1855]

Is this a coincidence? I play in a serbian rock/punk band, and our drummer mentioned this guy a week ago, just then you upload the video! Panonski is very interesting, though his music is quite vibey but provocative in nature this man really had some big unsolved mental problems which he expressed through his art.

[@LonnieLawless]

Unlike GG, he did not through his own shit at people (we know of) and it looks like he probably did actually go through with offing himself on purpose.

[@spoonshouse9542]

At 7:17 is the background music The Ballad of Hollis Brown?

[@KingMasadaX]

I wouldn't say Croatian GG Allin, I'd say Satan is more the Croatian Marilyn Manson, GG was more about presence, but his concerts and songs don't really say anything that sticks with you after you leave a concert, GG was very much what you see is what you get, Marilyn on the other hand has layers, nothing is certain & in his own words, "Art should never be the answer, art is the question," I believe Satan Panonski falls under the same premise.

[@Malabus73]

Great stuff, difficult in researching, but entertaining and interesting video

[@maksimovicgoran]

There is not a lot of information, out there, on this guy, even in this part of Europe. Kudos to you, sir.

[@sinistar5005]

Dude i've been watching your videos for a while, but the true morbid musician direction of your new videos is amazing and probably the most intrigued I've been from your channel in a while. Keep it up! I would check out The Gerogerigegege, they sound like something up your alley.

[@AuroraRoz]

When he talks about not being able to kill a chicken or a cow, but being able to kill a man if he is evil- sounds a bit like rationalization he is doing with himself. Maybe he killed people when he was a soldier? or maybe he had PTSD. In no way I'm giving a diagnosis here, but it reminds me a bit of Borderline personality disorder that maybe comorbid with depression and self-harm as a mechanism to cope with emotional pain. Maybe, as you said, there is so little known about him, and not a lot of footage and archives, but from what I watched here- I don't think I would define him as "most disturbing" unless you mean most disturbing in that very conservative part of the world. He was definitely troubled, but it looked like he had something interesting to say. And in contrast to GG Allin (who, in my opinion, was a mediocre artist at best, but a huge provocateur- part of the narcissistic personality I presume) Panonski seems like the troubled poet with a tortured soul. Someone who had something of value to give to his audience.

[@kapheen]

Really cool video. Funny that i randomly clicked this right after watching a GG doc on tubi of all places... my gf from Venezuela had no damn idea what wonderful horrors she was about to be exposed to! But this guys interesting, im compelled to dig into his art and recordings... maybe work some into my punk/goth remix projects. Subbed to see some more lesser known obscurities from ya!

[@stojankovacic1524]

11:19 His solo names mean "Let's swing the beloved purple ljulj" where ljulj is a type of grass, "Nuclear Olympic games" and "How a punker defended Croatia", yeah that last one screams nationalism. Which is ironic because he performed in Belgrade and used phrases that I'd expect to be used by someone from a city in Serbia. EDIT: Also if you need help translating anything, just send it to me here!

[@neccriatwo9650]

Only Serbs have the power to turn a complete alternative, countercultural icon into a raging nationalist.

[@stojankovacic1524]

@@neccriatwo9650 First of all, I'm Bosnian. Secondly, this guy WAS a nationalist and that's not surprising, considering he was clinically insane. EDIT: Serbs seem to be one of the few "peoples" which can be freely demonised without any consequences, even by the left wing.

[@neccriatwo9650]

@@stojankovacic1524 I wonder why? It really is a mystery. While I agree it is bad to persecute anyone, be it Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians or any other ethnic minority, it is true that a large, concerning amount of the Serbian population within Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo were, and still are bloodthirsty. Why should our states tolerate this minority if their end goal is to attack us the second there is a power struggle? Mislim da ne moramo nabrajat sva mjesta gdje su se desila ogromna stradavanja ljudi po BiH te Hrvatskoj od srpske ruke, koja je u jako puno slučajeva bila podržana od srpskih civila ( primjerice Prijedor ), RSK i RS nisu nikle same od sebe.

[@stojankovacic1524]

@@neccriatwo9650 "it is true that a large, concerning amount of the Serbian population within Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo were, and still are bloodthirsty" -- I'm sorry, have you ever talked to any of them? Bosnian Croats and Kosovar Albanians are the most nationalistic, by far. Nationalism in RS and former RSK mostly boils down to "I don't hate them or anything, but I'm afraid of them because of the crimes they committed against us". "Why should our states tolerate this minority if their end goal is to attack us the second there is a power struggle?" -- Oh, so now they shouldn't be tolerated? Have you ever wondered that this might be the reason they turn to nationalism? There is always a power struggle and they're naturally afraid when someone says they shouldn't be tolerated. "Mislim da ne moramo nabrajat sva mjesta gdje su se desila ogromna stradavanja ljudi po BiH te Hrvatskoj od srpske ruke" -- And neither do we have to name all the places Croats and Bosniacs committed war crimes, and so what? This was a quarter of a century ago. The world has changed, people have changed. Dwelling on old war crimes is holding us back. "koja je u jako puno slučajeva bila podržana od srpskih civila" -- Absolutely not. People supporting war crimes was rare. Most VRS war crimes were started by volunteers from Serbia. When my grandpa enters the army, he's been living with people on the other side of the frontline his entire life, he doesn't want to murder them. But when Milašin from Šumadija volunteers in Bosnia, his reasoning is clear. "RSK i RS nisu nikle same od sebe." -- Exactly, and neither did Herzeg-Bosnia or Kosovo. They were all afraid of their governments. And this fear was furthered by nationalist politicians. No serious nationalist politician here called for outright conquest of any place. They only talked of 'defending' their 'homeland' and 'recovering' what was 'lost'. Common people really felt under attack in all this. It's rather alike to Hitlers propaganda against the Jews. All in all, what you said is essentially fearmongering. 'Serbs want to muder people, they're special and warmongering while we just defend what's ours!'. Serbian nationalists say the same for Croats, Albanians and Bosniacs.

[@neccriatwo9650]

@@stojankovacic1524 That is a fair reply and I agree with a lot you said. But the reason I specifically mentioned that many Serbian civillians supported war crimes was the story of Prijedor. Prijedor was once hailed as a beacon of brotherhood and unity between Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats, until the 90's when armed Serbs took it over and set up 3 vicious camps in the vicinity ( Keraterm, Trnopolje, Omarska ). There are multiple stories and eyewitness reports of people who were neighbors and friends for decades, all being killed for the sake of a greater Serbia. The civilians who underwent things like their entire families being killed, tortured, raped etc. who live around Prijedor still see the people that did that to them and their families free on the street. I live in eastern Zagreb and there is an entire neighborhood of Bosnian Croats who've been expelled from Posavina, mostly from the city of Derventa. Things seem to be better now, with people who can afford it visiting their birthplaces without major issues, but all of the people, even younger people who don't have any grudges, all tell me the Serbian population in Bosnia is by far the most nationalistic and bloodthirsty, which doesn't surprise me considering they continue to elect Dodik. Also, Serbs have an entire entity within Bosnia catered simply for them, that they managed to get on ethnic cleansing and genocides of Croats and Bosniaks. I don't think you can say Serbs are the ones opressed. Croats within the FBiH haven't been able to elect their president for well over 5 years now, they are near well 2nd class citizens.

[@furmissile]

He was actually doing GG-style stuff prior to the point that GG himself became the GG we all know and love. They both did 'poetry' (spoken word), abused themselves, and had a similar stage presence. But at this point Satan started doing it, GG was still aspiring to quasi-mainstream rock success. He hasn't started with the full-blown antics or spoken word he later engaged in. I'm sure they would have performed together if they'd crossed paths, though.

[@Ujuani68]

1:19: .".punk performer, poet, KILLER, soldier,.."

[@paulkasden9758]

Very very interesting video. Good job on this one!

[@KattMurr]

This video was fascinating! I love learning about obscure musicians!! Thank you for this....

[@Bobbymaccys]

I had to watch this video twice to get to grips with it! Solid work man

[@lynnkaminari]

I mean I get that it's a big world and there's bound to be something that bizarre to the mainstream and normies, but like i didn’t think that these specific type of musicians are more common and popular than just a small minority but I guess you gotta be into similar topics to even come across one.

[@jacobdavis5518]

You sure did go in complete depth. Respect. -Jacob Davis