Deciding our new rules for GUTS season 5

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[@ChrisKoelsch]

I want a season where every one of Joez's ideas is implemented, no questions asked

[@judithandhollyfurnace]

I support this. We are at season 4. At this rate we'll get to season 8 before the next Mario Kart game comes out. Guts 8 should be the Mario kart season. Full chaos and all of Joez's video game based ideas. His intuition to lean on Mario kart and Mario party rules makes way more sense than trying to base this on real sports. It's middle aged men watching a children's show from the 90s. That is exactly why playing Nintendo games from our childhood is fun. We should follow their rules.

[@pladampa]

​@@judithandhollyfurnaceFor real Nintendo is really dragging their feet on it.

[@pladampa]

​@@judithandhollyfurnaceor extreme rules

[@robertphillips7940]

Joez rules for Global Guts.

[@billmurray4071]

I’d be interested in seeing this, mainly to see the crazy amount that Joez would try to cheat throughout the whole season.

[@laserlemon-tv]

6:31 "It'd be 3 times 5?" "Yeah." "25?" "Yeah."

[@tonyt9850]

Not a math pod

[@1Sweetpotato6]

Math guy...

[@DJColdCutz_]

This scoring debate has been a 4 season long “not a math pod”

[@SadBoys.1996]

answering your own question wrong is crazy

[@Thetiminator44]

Chem

[@Bfyobrian12]

1st point - The absolute value of the points doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if it’s 0-1-2, 1-2-3, 0-2-4, 375-550-725. If the DIFFERENCE between 1st and 2nd is equal to the difference between 2nd and 3rd, then the actual value of the points doesn’t matter. 2nd point - The stakes of the game are severely undercut when you give points per event. When you base points off of final standings, it usually means it’s anybody’s game until the very end. People will be on the edge of their seats if the difference between getting a point and not getting a point is still hinging on the Crag at the very end of the episode. Nobody cares about the stakes when your kids both have 800 points and the crag just decides who gets 1525 and 1350. The DIFFERENCE between those two finishing positions is greatly minimized when you base your points like that, and that’s why no one cared as much last season and also why no one bothered to make trades.

[@pmac7641]

Thank you. I thought this was obvious by now. At the very least there need to be bonus points for winning the episode.

[@AmmoGus1]

There is NO reason to complicate things. Season 1 was perfect. Well besides the crag brag. All you need is 0, 1, 2

[@jesschambers6551]

No trades was a rule last season

[@Bfyobrian12]

@@jesschambers6551 Was it? Who came up with that silly rule lol

[@benallain]

Jimmy: *unclear why people said 0-2-4 was the same as 1-2-3* Zack: *explains why that was the case* Jimmy: "What about 0-5-10?"

[@WAspearfisherman]

Draft a color and you have it for the whole cycle of O'Malley's shirt. You get the contestants you get. Could work out a trade mechanism for individual episodes

[@reedgarland2810]

Yooo I fw that

[@billmurray4071]

Damn, I like that a lot.

[@ssorkyy]

love this idea

[@jbchesskid]

having to draft a certain color for x number of episodes could at least be one of the power downs

[@jlo7770]

That's what I suggest. But they could do before the game starts and after 2nd event BUT they could offer some of the points they already have, so If someone sees someone they really like off the rip they could go ill trade you my player for yours and x amount of points, or they could do, ill swap you my player plus a future trade and x points. But basically they could use points to help sway the trade in their favor. Then no one is stuck with a dud 3rd(possibly). I like the idea of picking a team and sticking with it for the season then trades could be more important

[@tysonstone1960]

The 25 point not getting corrected and them completely throwing that scoring system out because 1 person does bad math, and no one is good enough at math to catch it is wild.

[@coryshannon3815]

The Jomboy crew: We struggle with math. Also the Jomboy crew: Let's make scoring so difficult, even the Numberphile people would be confused.

[@tedhateswizards]

For real, they needed corrections doing 3-2-1 scoring and failed to do some basic addition when trying to simplify the per-event scoring (see Jake's 25 to 5 insistence). They should either keep it as simple as it needs to be for them to keep track of or involve somebody else who can work out the numbers as they do their discussion (so they don't table ideas simply due to poor arithmetic) and then keep track of the score for them. They can't even remember the names of the kids they draft. They're not gonna remember their weird rules.

[@GymAndSun]

Certified numberphile

[@tomcuthbert-sayers1451]

simple: 1) extend the season to 37 episodes 2) have a mid-season tournamnet 3) increase the salary-cap tp $25M 4) get rid of the no-trade clause 5) limit the amount of times 6) instill a 5 second shot-clock during the draft

[@Dune24]

Need VAR

[@NathanDeisem]

The "Funiest competitor" stuff isn't for points; it's like end of season NFL honors type stuff! MVP, Defensive PoY, Walther Payton PoY, Funniest competitor, does too much, etc...

[@glucosaminecondroitan9135]

An award show at the end would be so great. I need some for past seasons.

[@tysonstone1960]

In these meetings they jump around to so many different scoring concepts its like watching The Office, beach day episode where Micheal has Pam keeping up with his scoring and he gives out points and gold stars...

[@johnnydropkicks]

Very good point. By the way, where is Andy? 🙂

[@NathanDeisem]

This has been the best off season rules meeting yet. This video series is aging like fine wine! #TeamJake

[@packers12to80]

Joez just needs to not speak during these😂

[@edibleapeman]

Jake and Joez cuddling on the couch is heartwarming

[@robertphillips7940]

Kushy Dreams Exclusive

[@SendItKelly]

Props to Sam. Always there. Always working!

[@teranmm]

Always with her hand in her mouth

[@jlo7770]

Lmfao I read that and looked up and her hand was in her mowf

[@DangerSwan333]

It seems like you're all having trouble understanding that as long as the intervals between points are the same, the actual denominations don't matter. 3, 2, 1 is the exact same as 4, 2, 0, or 5, 10, 15 Reason being is that making up the difference is always going to be the same if the intervals are even. If you want to reward a winner more, or punish a loser more, you need to create a different interval For example, 4, 2, 1 would reward winning more, whereas 3, 2, 0 would punish a loser more. But as long as the intervals are even, it doesn't matter what the actual numbers are. You guys are looking for a system that either rewards winners, or punishes losers, and you've gotten so close a few times now to figuring it out, but you keep missing it.

[@DanzaThatHoeJOE]

This suggestion has been thrown out for multiple ball videos. Why don’t they get it??

[@kimborampage]

0, 1, 3 is a good scale. That’s what chess does. Maybe one extra point for the crag win.

[@robertphillips7940]

Events 0,1,3. Crag 0, 2, 6. The Crag is worth more in the points total during the actual game, make it worth more for Playin' too.

[@TrikYodz]

@@robertphillips7940 every rules update ive been hoping for this so much. it'd be easy to track, it'd make sense, and it'd give proper credence to the crag. and the way you make the crag brag matter is by adding 2 onto the aggro crag points (2 4 8) while all the other events are still on the normal scale. EZ-PZ

[@johnnydropkicks]

I was thinking something very similar, except it would be a 0-2-4 scoring system plus 1 point for winning the crag. I do like the 0-1-3 scoring system but only if there weren’t any extra points given out for winning the crag. The reason being that, most likely, most episodes would end with 0-1-4 points being awarded, which I feel is too big of a gap from 1st to 2nd.

[@CheepsAhoy69]

what you mean chess is 0 for a loss, 1/2 for a draw, 1 for a win

[@ryanjohnson8131]

@@johnnydropkicks I'm actually pretty happy with what they came up with here. 0-2-4 with the chance to pick up a single point here and there. If moving from 0-1-2 though, I'd go with 0-2-5 instead of 0-1-3. I just think the gap in relative value between 1st and 2nd in 0-1-3 lowers overall entertainment. It's fun to have comebacks during the season. Keeps everyone engaged each episode.

[@DJColdCutz_]

I still like the idea of drafting the kids off their Spill Your GUTS bios

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

I like drafting after the first event.

[@Toogs]

I so badly want them to try this. It would lead to fun draft debates, and an entertaining episode as we watch the kids either confirm or contradict their bio

[@pladampa]

That's a good idea

[@DaddyRatchet23]

I like this, and maybe even knowing the 4 events they're drafting for.

[@ryanjohnson8131]

@@Toogs Also wouldn't be able to spam height as a decision maker. Works less well with this season making the bios less entertaining by forcing the GUTS= into every single one of them.

[@APelleti2]

Season 5, where the show went off the rails on points.

[@thenationofpeacock3309]

This episode should have been called “Let’s make scoring as confusing and difficult as possible”

[@KingOrpheus]

Almost too many possibilities.

[@cn768623]

1. Joez is hilarious 2. For power-ups, I was thinking that you each could draw 2 randomly from the following (they need to be played before the players are drafted, each player can use only 1 power-up per episode and once played, the power-up is gone): Double Up: A player can double his final position score for that episode. Halfsies: A player can choose another player to receive half their final score for that episode. Triple Play: A player can triple his "Call you shot" bonus (turning it from 1 to 3 points, if they guess correctly). Careful Now: A player can choose another player where if they guess their "Call your shot" incorrectly, that player will receive -2 points. Get Blocked: A player can block a contestant from being selected for 1 selection. Dibs!: A player can steal another player's power-up (and that stolen power-up can be played immediately or they can play it in another episode).

[@patdry]

I like where this ended up, pumped to see it in action! Thanks for sharing the process, the “blue ball” episodes are great.

[@davidwalker3626]

The big numbers are simply the best, because they show accurate overall contestant quality, they stop all the ties and boring simple scoring, and also allow for large point swings and big come backs. Move the decimal place over two and round to whole numbers if nothing else, and add in some sort of power ups to make trades more possible.

[@andrewoppedisano7949]

Here's my idea; Each of you start with a number of points. 100, 500, 47, whatever. After each draft, you each gamble a number of your remaining points on your pick, silent auction style. Minimums should apply. Points being gambled are only revealed once everyone makes their pick, kind of like final jeopardy. Winner takes all. The person with the most points at the end of the season wins. This incorporates the idea of confidence in your pick, rewarding solid thirds, punishes overconfidence in dud firsts, and you could trade points for picks or players. Let me know when you come up with a better idea 😉

[@GreenDPS]

I kinda like this idea a lot, though perhaps not winner take all, but win back an amount of points equal to what their contestant received at the end of the episode. Then total carries over to how much they can spend up to in the next episode.

[@Crushnaut]

++ like it

[@LukeDeHon]

You could also bet on where you think your pick will finish. That way it rewards not just winning but accurate assessment of contestants.

[@cinco_de_la_tarde]

Imo, yall should implement a rule like "shooting the moon" in hearts. If you have a 3rd place that gets last in every event, you win.

[@hergetp]

This

[@jbchesskid]

That's a pretty cool idea actually

[@CapnJack1]

To feed Joez's love for superlatives, y'all should have awards at the end of the season. MVP, biggest suprise, etc.

[@Vgravy]

There could be a Little Dynamite award

[@razzmatazzbc]

I think the double or nothing angle has some legs but how about simplified version: Once per season each player gets a "lock." They declare they are using their lock in an episode following the contestant draft but prior to the first event. When you use your lock, you will get to double your final points (JJTV scoring) for that given episode. That's it. I think it could help make everyone feel alive across the season; if you fall behind you always have your lock to try and spring forward on. Plus, it further rewards the ability to identify talent.

[@mentalsoup60]

This might be complex but y’all should be able to handle this What if you do scoring based on the winner taking a maximum amount of points let’s say 100 to keep it easy and then the others taking the percentage difference they lost by in the episode for example: BLUE Wins with 1500 pts and receives 100 points for the episode as the max score. RED comes in second place with a score of 1350pts and so will get (1350/1500 * 100 points) = 90pts for the episode. PURPLE comes in last with a score of 975 and so will get (975/1500 * 100pts) = 65pts for the episode. This way it scales the amount of points to how well you did in the episode vs the winner. To keep it whole numbers you can round up for any scores that would give a decimal number I don’t think over 8-12 episodes the rounding would make a significant difference especially if you round everything up.

[@greenday61892]

oh i LIKE this, and commenting to boost

[@jesschambers6551]

They can't multiply 3 x 5 and you think they can do percentages? 😂

[@mentalsoup60]

@@jesschambers6551very true but at least the idea is out there now for them 😂😂😂

[@mentalsoup60]

@@greenday61892yes thank you!

[@atomknight8361]

I like a 3-1-0 scoring system with an extra point for a Crag win. It makes winners real winners while keeping 2nd and 3rd fairly close. Also spices up trades if they still believe in purple crag lane to try to weasel an extra point for themselves even if its a losing contestant. The main problem with the scoring last season was not the points concept, but the fact literally half the episodes had an A contestant in a B crop, causing a runaway win

[@JordanWallaceee]

This is 100% the move. (Could treat crag wins as a tie breaker like goal difference in football/soccer if they think a bonus point is too much)

[@sgstoner]

Joez gave me blue balls on the power ups.

[@CheepsAhoy69]

I'm excited for this season, the 3rd event boost is a great idea. Things like that are the best new additions cause it adds to the show, more interaction. I feel like last season there was the least interaction ever cause the close 2nds or 3rds just didn't feel impactful at all and you knew it was gonna be close even before the crag so nothing really mattered

[@corygerhards4817]

Should vote Joez not being able to bring up power-ups until he has 5 examples that don't start with 'we all can come up with' or end with 'or whatever'.

[@devinbagwell8924]

Exactly, they told Joez last meeting that if he was going to bring up power-ups he needed to bring better examples to the table next time. Seems like he didn't put any thought into it at all.

[@mattcusto]

You should score it just like GUTS does. 100,300,500 per episode then the finale or “crag brag” is the same scoring as the actual crag

[@shuichiakai6765]

Been commenting this since season 3! So the Crag Brag matters!

[@lyndon4010]

But... I waited til the end... Joez??

[@JoezMcflySports]

Lmaooo

[@lyndon4010]

@@JoezMcflySports Hey i need JoeZack merch! i need to rep my boys

[@JacobBrasel]

Scoring system example where both previous methods are used to balance out runaway winners: Jimmy🥇: 1,925 game points + first place points (1.925 + 3 = 4.925) JZ🥈: 1,350 (3.350) Jake🥉: 1,175 (2.175) Example for dud thirds: Jake🥇1725 (4.725) JZ🥈1550 (3.550) Jimmy🥉775 (1.775) If you combine the scores of the duds and the studs: Jimmy (4.925+1.775 = 6.7) Both second places: JZ (3.350+3.550= 6.9) The close first/third finishes: Jake (2.175+4.725 = 6.9) I know it’s confusing af but that’s what word is for 🤓👍🏼 No if, ands, or buts! Do you have em?

[@King01354]

The year is 2076 Joez “so about these power ups”

[@glucosaminecondroitan9135]

Joez looks younger than 42 in the thumbnail.

[@pladampa]

Black don't crack baby.

[@JoezMcflySports]

Wtff im not 42

[@glucosaminecondroitan9135]

@@JoezMcflySports haha. Wasn't there a joke a while back that you were like, 40 or 42?

[@Incubator411Prime]

​@@JoezMcflySportsthat's what he's saying my man!

[@pladampa]

Why did my comment get removed? It wasn't bad. And since it's removed why am I stilll getting notifications on every reply.

[@chrismechalke4503]

You would NOT BELIEVE how excited I am to watch this video

[@razzmatazzbc]

I was like wait am I more excited about this than an actual ep?

[@mattjones4576]

Love the addition of bonus points to help with dud thirds and power firsts. Something that may help as well are blinds and butter sticks. Just think about it

[@gundmc13]

Everyone has one event where they can choose to double their contest's points. You must declare youre using your boost before the event starts. At the end of the episode, winner gets 3 points, second 2, third 1 (based on episode scoring with event modifiers). No bonus points for anything else

[@MrBurrito18]

Having dud 3rds would help give an incentive to make trades. Trade talks are an instant highlight that have been lacking the last few seasons.

[@GoBirds808]

Jake and Jim should watch American Gladiators

[@tdognschooch]

This!!!!!!!!

[@ChrisKoelsch]

Actually a great idea. It can be very hard to find where to watch them though because I used to watch the old eps on Amazon and now it's like you can't legally watch them anywhere....but I haven't checked in a while

[@BogusMeatFactory]

Yeah I love the idea, but I think American Gladiators is pretty diligent in taking stuff down.

[@sporkimer]

There is a channel on KZbin uploading them...I think it's official. youtube.com/@americangladiators?si=f00WOid4JOT_9qnu

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

The 4 of them could all play on separate teams for that. They have 2 men and 2 women per episode.

[@masonweiss4655]

I’d love to see an end of season awards ceremony. That will fill the void of the funniest competitor, biggest dud, biggest stud, greatest crop, etc.

[@WaiLinDot]

This guy Joez is about to have some Kushy Dreams tonight.

[@robertcrist124]

11:27 Perfect Jim. It’s not complicated at all. Pseudo did list in my Sabermetrics of S4 and it only came into play 3 total times, 2 of which Jake would have gained more points to win S4 by even more. Definitely should do this.

[@KingOrpheus]

This is seriously my favorite series on any platform.

[@jeremyledesma8587]

Please do a guts style challenge to determine pick order

[@steelhammer103]

When you guys run out of episodes, see if of you can get episodes of GUTS Global. It's the international version where they has Kids all different countries play against other

[@robertcrist124]

We didn’t get a reading of the official changes at the end. Is the draft order episode reset going into effect? 8 episodes still? Call your shot 3 event finish guess happening?

[@Isaac-nl9kw]

I like these scoring changes. Also bumping my power up suggestion from the last ball ep. Joez I think if you lead with something like this you could get Jimmy and Jake on board: -- GUYS I'm curious abt powerups but I think you guys are missing the most obvious one! You should be able to unlock a scouting report for one (or all) of the contestants where you get to watch their "Spill Your GUTS" segment before you make your draft selection. It would add a bit of production work b/c someone else would have to go and make the clips but I think it would be funny and add some intrigue to the draft. For example from last ep, JoeZack picks Lawrence with 1. Then Jake has to choose between Misty and Sarah. If he uses a scouting report he gets to jump ahead to the spill your guts for both and he sees that (1) Misty is 12, is a "Bowling Phenom" and a "Unique Bowling Trickster" and (2) Sarah is 11, is a "Runner" and a "Jumprope record breaker." Jake picked Misty IRL but if he had the scouting report I bet he'd be freaked out by the double bowling facts and would go with Sarah instead. --

[@Soccbaseball2]

I think to incentive trading while keeping the scoring for individual events: When trading you keep all current points gained so far and only gain new points from your new player. Example Joez trades player A for player B after 2nd event. He keeps player A points from event 1 and 2 and then gets Player Bs point in final 3 events. This makes the person with better player get those big points from first 2 events but okay with dud last 3 events because they also got a pick out of it

[@billmurray4071]

I think what we have learned is that you guys need to just make your own GUTS type show, and be the announcers for it.

[@bvd7517]

The foreshortened perspective has Jake looking like Joez's kid.

[@Tommy_11812]

Joez just needs to abandon the power ups

[@packers12to80]

Joez needs to stay out of these talks all together 😂

[@ClickPopBoom]

no, if anything he needs to not give up and start the meeting for season 6 with incredibly superlative talks about powerups, I really wanna see the blindfolded butter sticks 🤣

[@pladampa]

Stickies and power-ups.

[@FayeBelogus]

But what about power downs?

[@pladampa]

@@FayeBelogus power sideways??

[@grelgen]

you should use a wager points system. before every event, you wager points. if your person gets first, add those points to your total. if your person gets second, it's a push and those points are automatically added to the next event. if your person gets third, minus those points

[@CapnJack1]

15 mins in the video and i can't wait for Joez's power up idea to be terrible

[@abisteinberg2193]

for the next hands on ball... consider: 8 epsiodes where 1st gets 300, 2nd gets 200, 3rd gets 100 points. 9th episode krag brag where the points match the point values of the krag. points cumulative at the end of 9 to decide the season winner.

[@cracklecracklebaybay5612]

Been here since Season 1, and I just want to say how dumb it is that so many of us are so invested in Watching Playing GUTS. 😆 And I am fully invested. It makes my day to wake up to a new episode. And I watched this entire video. It just makes me chuckle thinking of all of us just looking for a way to shut the brain off for some dumb fun. 😆

[@Tuvok_Shakur]

Fun is good

[@burgfuzz1859]

Olympics coming up. We need a global guts season.

[@cheighes1]

Joez is just steadily trying to turn his whole life into Mario Bros.

[@JoezMcflySports]

Lmaooooooooo

[@shuichiakai6765]

I rewatched watchin Guts from season 1 and i noticed that in season 2 of Guts the events are mostly time based. This means that the kids are less likely to tie so you guys are also less likely to tie and the points are not close to each other which resulted to the domination of Jake. That’s why I don’t like the point system for season 4 of Watchin’. Unlike in season 1, the kids’ points are so close because there are many ties from the events.

[@stadiumdogz]

I want a one time use powerup. The double down. If you think your contestant is going to win, double or nothing.

[@northernvideo]

I would like to see you all pick a team colour at the start of the season. That way you are a team and have an identity. It would be great to see the reaction of your competitor each episode.

[@chefj523]

This is what I needed to make my Friday better 🙌

[@Fish-pw9zt]

Hey all, a couple of power up / down ideas, boost and hedge. Boost: get an extra 50% base points on your finish (1st +2, 2nd +1, 3rd +0). Bonus points still apply. Hedge: lock in 2 points no matter your finish, no bonus points other than called shot. Both would be taken after picks but before events, and can only be used in the first 6 episodes. They create an opportunity for a little extra betting without blowing up scores.

[@CheepsAhoy69]

I don't think simple power ups like those work well cause it isn't interactive at all, you're just adding points no matter what. They should be like subtract 7 seconds from this timed event. Honestly I don't think that one is good either, the power ups are difficult to implement

[@joel_gibb]

The biggest question of the ball talk isn't what the Guts scoring is. It's why Jake has googly eyes on his thigh?

[@fatman.06]

Oh God I just realized that those were googly eyes, when I first watched I thought it was maybe like a brace or medical tape

[@Bubwars]

I love the Mario Party idea. Possible points for most DQs, most champions, etc...

[@m7m1000]

What if you had 3rd place never get below a certain amount of points than second? Like minimum a 3rd place can get is 300 less than second

[@frankiesheehy224]

I like a simple hybrid. 3-2-1 but you can get a bonus point for hitting a target (like 1600 or so). Easy to keep track of, still keeps an incentive for big scores

[@Crushnaut]

What if you did end of season bonus points with the audience? Each of you nominates one of your contestants for each category, like funniest, best competitor, etc. and then toss them up in a google sheet and let the audience vote on them. Winner of each category gets one more point (or whatever).

[@runswithfeathers47]

I think the mario party style bonus points could end up being the final points system. Feels like a decent handicap method and definitely some drama/stakes. The only thing is that in Mario party it is guaranteed that 3 bonus points are always awarded, regardless of to whom or for what. So a little different

[@julianlopez210]

Love the new scoring system with the bonus points. The call your shot point will be pretty fun each episode

[@shuichiakai6765]

May I suggest that you do the Guts scoring? 100, 200, 300 for each ep for 4 ep (or more if u want) then a season finale crag brag where the scoring is like agro crag. Then a fixed 1,2,3 for the draft order like in season 1.

[@johnnydropkicks]

How about a 4-2-0 scoring system, plus 1 for finishing 1st in the crag? I think that offering bonus points in any other way will hinder any possible trading. Would that work well? Thoughts?

[@patrickmccormic1351]

If you want to avoid the top points being a multiplier don’t do 3,2,1 as points. In that example it’s range is 15 to 5, but using 6, 5, 4 would be a range of 30 to 20, where a last place finish is only a third behind, if you want a close race

[@calipunk22]

I think what would help trades would be each event first place gets 1 point and the crag is 3

[@joeweidemann5305]

Another season of petitioning for a pre “spill your guts” power up. That way we can see the cards before the draft

[@grapesgreek]

If you're going to do reset epis, they should probably happen before the end as in the 3rd & 6th episode, so that there is room for a comeback.

[@pladampa]

💯

[@highqualityhippie420]

You could do fan votes for the superlatives. And because you film them in groups you could do it twice in the season, halfway and at the end, that gives either point addition or power up for future episodes

[@Zac15]

I like where they ended up with the rules and points. Theres still reasons to root for a competitor who obviously has no chance of winning outright

[@1994ramfan]

Power-up ideas: - Got This! - Each team per game can say I have 1st place in the bag if they do +1 if third -1 and second is 0 - Easy loser- same as Got this but opposite so if you have a dud you can get an extra point. -

[@robertcrist124]

Around the 16 min mark Jim mentions he wants to make things easy. Look at the final score card and award point there, avoiding the need to pause or go back in a video. The problem with wanting to introduce some spice in the show, you limit what you can do if you don’t keep track while the show is going on, as opposed to waiting until the end. They care about A) simple math B) dud thirds and runaway firsts C) easy/simple to follow bonus scoring It’s not difficult to have a pen, or spreadsheet running while the episode is going and make notes. We are here for this and will continue to watch, so it’s up to what you guys want to do. Idk if that made any sense but my hand is on a baseball ⚾️ and I’m here for the kicks and giggles and I’m kinda a loser and have nothing else to do so I find something interesting in gaming the game here.

[@goboltsdeep9834]

I think I got it. Needs to be a 10 episode season. The point system will be 300,200,100 just like the competition for the first 4 episodes. Then episode 5 will be like the Crag where you will use 375,550,725 for the point system and repeat the process for episodes 6-10 with 10 being another Crag finale.

[@christianmontgomery7596]

The points range a competitor can get is 775-1925. Competitors pts: 775-1158=1 pt 1158-1541=2 pts, 1541-1925=3 pts

[@Stutz_77]

This may be my favorite scoring system yet. The call shot will add a lot of excitement. Hate Joez power up idea but I like the power downs where they don’t effect the actual game or scoring

[@patrickcullen4760]

There should be a dud third bonus point where if your contestant gets 3rd in every event you get a bonus point

[@GymAndSun]

The bonuses are fun 🔥

[@dustinroberson1865]

It's hard for them to come up with decent rules when they can't seem to get the math right. 3x5 is 15 1x5 is 5 So the difference would be 10, or 5 per rank. In reality, it would be 5 or 6 from first to third. What needs to happen is points per event, but more points for winning episode... Maybe make winning the episode 1000, second for 700, 3rd for 300. Then sweeping would get you 2200, but taking last in all would be 1000 which seems like a big difference, but you are guaranteed at least 1000 every round, so it isn't that many points. The big issue this last season was that winning wasn't worth much, so getting someone that swept was too valuable. You could win half the episodes last year and still be way out of first because you barely won.

[@Doohickeydongle]

Do avg of each events. That will keep those points close. Each player can choose one event per show to double down on or wager extra points.

[@CobraCooKais]

Fix the guts system of ties by playing Sixes. 6 points for events. Traditional 1st=4, 2nd=2, 3rd=0. 1st place 2 way tie gets 3 each. 1st place 3 way tie gets 2 each. 2nd place tie, 1st=4, others get 1. Then the crag is double.

[@bearsuitattack]

Can't wait for the blind and the butter sticks next season!

[@tyler-carrington]

Still think they should make it simple. 300,200,100 points based on standings at the end of the episode. Crag brag at the end of the season is worth 725, 550, 375. Pick order set at start of season for trades

[@theotherredmeat]

For the love of god, you guys, please have BBD sit in on the next one of these meetings just to help out with the math 😂

[@mikestarr6517]

Power up idea: Dud Third prediction. The player picking third can claim Dud Third at the beginning of the episode. If that player goes last in all events, they get first place points. Players can use this power up until they fail, meaning that if their first time using the power up works, they retain the power up to use again later

[@mikestarr6517]

Never mind lol, Jimmy basically said this a few mins later

[@NathanDeisem]

11:49 That doesn't punish bad drafting it punishes GOOD DRAFTING! If there is an obvious standout kid and you pick them, then you drafted well, but the points would be less?

[@tedhateswizards]

Nah, most of the time the picks are pretty obvious. It's nothing special to draft the best kid with the first pick. For the player with the third pick to get the best kid, the first two usually have to screw up.

[@therealjjo]

"Super bonus" Tank mode option. If one of you calls it prior to using your first round pick and you draft the last place competitor who loses at least 4 events including the crag. you get 10 points.

[@billdempsey45]

If you want to encourage trades do a season when the guys draft a color at the start - jimmy is red all season, jake is blue, etc & then when the players are intro'd you can trade before an event takes place.

[@tedhateswizards]

Respect to Jake for being open to a DQ getting no points for the event even though he's had all but one DQ after Joez didn't want to reward a bonus point or two to 2nd and 3rd pick winners because he's historically had the most 1st pick whiffs. Support rules that make sense, even if they tend to skew not in your favor.

[@masontullock6299]

Joez: “what’s the zero” Jom: “it’s the circle thing that looks like an egg” I can’t believe joez got leslie nielsened

[@bossmt2]

I feel like everything is over complicated. Soccer figured this out years ago 3-1-0. 2nd place or a draw is worth barely more than a loss and a win is worth much more. You could award for every even then additionally for final result it would make dominance super powered and a dud 3rd painful. For your picks lock in the picks based on prior season results, so it would go next season JZ/Jimmy/Jake, Jimmy/Jake/JZ/, Jake/JZ/Jimmy every draft.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

Watching and wondering when they'll realize that 3×5 is 15, not 25.

[@bearsuitattack]

there are 5 events per episode, not 3

[@JL-gm3je]

@@bearsuitattackand each event is worth 300 max. Soooooooo

[@bearsuitattack]

@@JL-gm3je we might be talking about different parts of the video then. The part I am talking about it when they said 5 points for every win and 1 for every loss per event. the 5 to 25 part. So if we ARE talking about different things then my bad!

[@julianlopez210]

​@@bearsuitattack Except they didnt say 5 points for every win, they said a 3, 2, 1 points system (watch starting from 6:19), so winning every event would be 3 points in 5 events = 15 points, but they never caught the mistake lol

[@bearsuitattack]

@@julianlopez210 it looks like it is I who has the donkey brains, and the donkey memory then! unless donkeys have good memories then i have... the opposite!

[@ianwerkheiser1292]

Last season’s system of getting the contestants’ points worked great

[@carlthompson7930]

We need guts metrics I want to know how competitors stack up to the legends