Doom - E4M5: They Will Repent (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

I like this map because it's a metaphor for how plain the slow, grueling march of reality is and no matter how much things change, the more they stay the same. It always grounds me back to real life to play this. Love this map.

[@schintus]

Deep

[@nombregenerico7775]

Deep

[@ObnoxiusBrat]

Shit, thats deep

[@TheRealNormanBates]

I would upvote you, but you’re at “69” so I don’t dare.

[@technoslut]

uhhhh, yeah me too bud

[@BigMacDavis]

I like the map - the layout is cool, it's like a marble structure was dropped onto a blood lake, and slowly but surely it's seeping through the floor, devouring it.

[@sgtbam1306]

BMD, the charmer. 😁

[@eigeneagle9163]

I agree. Now E4M4 is completely pointless.

[@georgeheilman885]

A bit like Bloodsea Keep in the master levels, albeit not quite as interesting, IMO.

[@nolan412]

Deathmatch potential?

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

How rad would it be if this whole map really was on a timer, and you drown in blood if you don't complete it within 10 minutes or whatever.

[@greenguykanoe2912]

This map has some demons and weapons and damaging floors and items. Truly, one of the doom maps of all time

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

In addition, this Doom map also has both multiple sectors AND linedefs.

[@CarmeloSantosF]

When I was a kid I loved this map. There was no prior knowledge, no kill or secret count on the hud, playing keyboard only I'm too young to die, and completely pissing my pants. My logic as a kid was that every map was harder than the previous one, so after the horrors of map 1, 2 and 3, expecting a cyberdemon to appear out of nowhere or a teleport ambush of shotgunners gave this map with tall ceilings and laberynthine design a tense atmosphere. Best part is my fears became a reality in map 6, so I always ended up feeling map 4 and 5 were the intro. Even playing this map today I still remember how it felt as a kid, which makes it special in a nostalgic way.

[@DenisKublitsky]

As a kid I was scared even of e1m1. Also, back then it seemed that games simply couldn't look any better. It also seemed like e2m2 was enormous. Little i knew that it takes less than 5 mins on average to beat every map on nightmare with 100% everything, lol.

[@CarmeloSantosF]

@@DenisKublitsky I spent hours watching the demos of the original ultimate doom, just unable to gather the courage to play the game myself. Even after playing most of Sunder, Ultimate Doom is still timeless

[@tbird-z1r]

@@DenisKublitsky I could only run Doom at reduced screen size. (386sx25) Every do often I'd stop, enlarge the game to max size and just admire the beauty of it. I loved how much detail was in the chaingun compared to Wolfenstein.

[@HerbziCal]

I find this map incredibly nostalgic as well. Has a special place in my heart.

[@victoriouswinner7745]

I love these old, simplistic cluttered maps. They’re really charming

[@BoldEnglishman]

Something I don't think many people are aware of - and I only discovered after playing this game for 20+ years - is that at 00:01:45 there is a brown metal pillar on the right. This pillar can be lowered, revealing a box of rockets!

[@iguana9173]

2:15 that bug where the enemies can’t see you on the elevator was a really good way to take advantage.

[@hoodedman6579]

The main thing I remember about this map is the recreation of it in that "Doom remade from memory" WAD where it had the Tag 0 glitch.

[@n3onkn1ght]

I don't love this map but I don't mind it either. The constant green textures make it feel thematically consistent, and it has a nice contrast between wide-open and cramped/mazey.

[@Notacultleader666]

There is a simplicity to these DOOM maps that is charming. Ugly and raw but beautiful and refined at the same time.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

The word is probably elegance.

[@ji604]

Quaint

[@DreamSphinxGaming]

I like this map because it spawned that monstrosity of a map where people tried to recreate Doom levels from memory.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

[rogue tag 0 intensifies]

[@Unknown-gf1ci]

Mans was on shrooms when he made that shit

[@ChamiCh]

Despite the dull monotony of using the same texture everywhere, I like the thematic consistency of this map, and this idea that it's a sort of indoor fortress of sorts. The windows connecting the different areas, the sort of verticality the map has with separate upper and lower areas, and the various tunnels and crannies that can be found in the pits.. it somehow manages to be memorable to me despite its flaws.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

Yeah it fits the idea of Hell as a twisted reflection of things that make sense to us. A fortress guarding nothing, just caverns leading into more caverns. Like the current automated art generators that give people 9 fingers, because it doesn't _really_ appreciate the point or reason for anything.

[@clinteastwood6875]

The combat is lame. But I actually like the visuals.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

It’s not my favorite, but I like it simply because it’s not a generic maze. I love Doom maps that have a sense of place or design, like a factory or hanger, as well as the effort to capture that feeling (like the “Haunted Mansion” map you did last Halloween). This feels like the inside of a castle. Sure, it could benefit from a courtyard (like something from E3E1) but it’s okay. I would say this is _relaxing_ and it’s more about sight seeing the map architecture with some monsters to kill while you’re touring Hell’s guest castle.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

When you pull aside the shower curtain in Hell's AirBnB, this is what you step into.

[@BCPK]

It's Doom, so I love everything about it unconditionally.

[@deborah_chrysoprase]

10/10 wholesome answer

[@ioanc2]

I really like this map for the following reasons: - it's themed similarly to E3M7 and has the same music, though it's not as ominous, but still pure Thy Flesh Consumed. Custom Doom 3 hell maps also share this theme. - I really like the flow of the blood rivers throughout the entire map and the room interconnection. There's exploration involved when looking for the supercharge and the BFG. It's the first or only Doom 1 map where you see liquid flow instead of being static in isolated pools. - easy map, but not stupid short like E4M4

[@christophe5335]

The esthetics of this map won over my younger self. The temple where blood is flooding constantly was creepy and strange and the weird color of the bricks made it fascinating in many ways. And the starting room, with the sky texture and the menacing cacodemon outside, was a great contrast with the inside. Younger self me did not care about the difficulty of the map...

[@mathewbouse1105]

I absolutely love this map. The way the higher bridges and walkways lead down into this bizarre marble warehouse type place is such a strange setting for Doom, especially Doom 1. Its a really unique map like most of E4, but I adore it

[@certainsword]

I always liked this map. The green and red really do contrast nicely, and the marble works particularly well with the high ceilings and dim lights. The first big chamber to this day sticks out in my memory. Entire thing feels congruent.

[@rodylermglez]

I like this map because it feels like I'm storming some sort of corrupted fortress or castle, blood coming from the fountains and hellish corruption filling the pits. The entrance area is very evocative, with its caco floating outside and a stair that is a slow descent into a dank obscure dungeon. The window near the stairs is like a glimpse of twisted architecture.

[@trentkas]

i love this map because of the atmosphere, how the level plays and the absolute banger that is the waltz of the demons

[@VeroneMSX]

I really like the compact design of this map. I feel like it has the vibe a proper bloomy map must contain, also from the technical perspective.

[@thedungeondelver]

I like They Will Repent, not for the aesthetics but for the layout of the map, it's mazy, it turns back in on itself, it has "underground" tunnels through the blood, etc., but the green marble aesthetic, yeah, that wears on me. I wish they'd mixed it up.

[@Ben_of_Langley]

Yeah to be fair your right about the layout of the level which I didn't put in my comment but actually yeah that part is alright just could have use some more different textures around the level

[@eu-rn1xb]

I also thought to mention "underground" tunnels and the map's mazy. Moderate mazy, not like in The Plutonia's Map 11: Hunted.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Green marble pairs up bizarrely well with techbase textures. And I mean _bizarrely_ well.

[@thedungeondelver]

@@eu-rn1xb Yeah it's mazy - in a good way. Hunted is bullshit :D

[@Pistoolkip]

I feel if the texturing of this map was more varied and the thing placement made for more interesting fights, this map could have been good. But in the current state, it feels really lackluster, almost as if it was still a work in progress

[@420Impeller]

This is actually my favorite map of the entire episode. Love the marble look, the blood rivers, and the layout of the map in general. The music choice and map name I think fit together well too. I look forward to this one everytime I play episode 4.

[@DanPellegrino486]

I do like this map. When I was younger, I liked how you could see into other areas a lot, and it felt tight. It was fun to play fast on UV and really get some interesting situations.

[@bendzam.6068]

I just like it, I feel like marble and blood go well together. It is not my E4 favourite, but I enjoy it more than some other episode 4 levels. I like its semi openess, I think it handles more open space better than some Doom II levels do. I even like the leap of faith at the end.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

Big Agree

[@jonbourgoin182]

*"I'm quite low on health but I'm not worried"* Written, Edited, and Directed by Decino the DooM Master

[@kelleroid]

from the creator of "Attempt number...One"

[@spase667]

I certainly don’t like playing this map, but it has a distinct and memorable visual style. I like the idea of this large marble shrine irrigated by a blood fountain. The fountain at the beginning is the source of all the blood canals throughout the map, and that always stuck with me.

[@ScoutNDemond]

I have a weirdly specific memory of watching my dad trying and failing to get the bfg on this map forever when I was a kid, so I like this map only because of nostalgia reasons. I think it may have been the first map I ever played as a kid, too.

[@WitchyRhia]

i always think back fondly on this map, i think because of the detail work giving it quite a bit of coherency as a "place" compared to a lot of doom's maps, especially with that adorable blood fountain making way to a river that flows through the map, an early bit of doomcute! it's not great as far as combat goes but it's really not bad either, and honestly i think the worst sin it commits is just being carved entirely out of vividly green marble, if it had more varied texturework so it didn't feel like a fever dream through the aqueduct of an awful moldy castle, it would be a fine map

[@artebirklaus]

Hello Decino. I like this map. I am a casual player and have probably only beaten this once or twice, but still. I appreciate it partly BECAUSE it's green marble all over; among the maps of the original Doom games I believe that is quite rare (though I have not played Plutonia or TNT). The main reason why I like it is the spaces, I find them interesting to look at and fun to traverse. I like that there are many rooms with multiple levels, windows to other rooms, ledges and elevated walkways etc. Thank you for all the fine videos! I am really enjoying this Nightmare playthrough, might be fun to see you tackle more maps on Nightmare occasionally =)

[@EnemyAce88]

I do like this map. It has a medieval castle feel to it. If you've ever seen the classic 1930s Robin Hood with Errol Flyyn and Basil Rathbone, it reminds me of the castle from that.

[@RevolverRez]

More like you'll repent. 11 hour stream and you still get up and play more Doom. Legendary.

[@BigPashPlays]

I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but I really like the green marble aspect of hell contrasted with blood floor/sky. This level is slow and a bit boring but I think it looks great for when it was made.

[@santhiagodefreitasbenedito9369]

In the Thy Flesh Consumed rundown, I like this map because it's a breather. A throwback to the easier, but still challenging maps from the previous episodes. Also Waltz Of The Demons is my favorite DOOM midi of all times.

[@adamoneil7435]

I like the map because even boring and ugly maps have some kind of atmosphere, which is what I connect with. The design language may be very outdated, but I still see creativity at work. For some reason I find it captivating still

[@cherrycacomama]

Best thing of this map is the music. "Waltz of the Demons" is one of my fave tracks~ Great run, you make playing in nightmare seem so fun and simple xD

[@StoneHill777]

I like it, cause I remember some good memories with my brother who passed away in 2005. He was the one who taught me how to play Doom.

[@itnaklipse1669]

Great layout and i like the green marble architecture. So i like this map a lot :)

[@JM_andtheArgonauts]

I like it! It reminds me of a map you’d see on Doom64 where it’s not so much the fights but the architecture and surroundings that make for a fun experience. The green grey and red are like castle in Hell :) Also, there seemed to be a lot of verticality and exploration. Maybe boring after mastering the map, understandable.

[@campionpesate4647]

Listen to decino, he's speechless, so happy to play this map!

[@cyberangel2787]

This map has one potentially cool moment if you play casually. If you go through blue door instead of supercharge ditch, the lost souls will slowly rise around pillars and can catch you off guard.

[@martinrosschou]

I liked the map, and your venture through it. Low health, almost had a barrel death, and it was quick but still a few keys and jumps that had to be dealt with. IDK, I was entertained :)

[@XzMondayNightzX]

2:20 The baron can't see you at the lift area because the map is green and doom guys security armor is also green. Therefore you are invisible to the near sighted.

[@krazyfinndude666]

This and E4M7 are always the ones I forget that exist in that episode. Idk which one is more easy, this or E4M4 lol but still these levels are nice to have in between the tough and hectic first 3 maps and the last 3 maps. Oh and good luck for the "No Armor lmao" level

[@gothicfly]

I liked the visuals how it looks and feels like a blood soaked keep.

[@allthesenri-hin4766]

I've played through Doom dozens of times and I don't think that I have ever played this map using a repeated route. The music is nice, too.

[@MichelleSleeper]

I like the idea of this map more than the actual execution of it. I like the visuals of the opening, with the fountains and dropping down the steps of the blood falls. I like the concept of the 2nd room with the verticality and the lifts and the walkway ledge around the room. After that it really kind of falls apart.

[@Olek54321]

Lost souls and hitscanners chipped your health a lot here. Deadly creatures! I'm looking forward for E4M6, because you constantly menion this map :D And it's tomorrow, yay!

[@SeveredLegs]

What I always liked about this map was how open it felt. You can take a bunch of different paths to get to the end. And it feels like some underground Temple or something. A little texture variance in some of the interior rooms might have made a very positive effect on it. I made a redone version of it within a combination map of e4M8 and E4M7.

[@Milka-fe4ek]

It feels so strange to watch walkthough of familiar levels that you played very long ago and see areas and items you almost never found or completely forgot about A bit fever dream-ish, but pleasant experience watching it at 2:30 am with hot tea after busy day even, jeez... I guess what I remember for sure about this map is that in "recreated from memory" it was completely... funny *"That's a rouge tag 0. Oh my God ! This is madness !"* And wait, relatively recently "TNT: The Way We Remember It" got released Horray, more cursedness !

[@treehouseminis]

I like this map, but I'm also a sucker for the green marble textures. Whenever I think of classic doom the off green comes to mind.

[@tornado100able]

I like this one, i think it has a cool design, open areas, we can look different rooms through the "windows" and i apreciate the marble texture and the blood fountain at the starting area. I just don't like the random secrets on this map.

[@leoneldoleschal1194]

Poor man, after 12 HS of streaming, and then this map. Hugs, and yes i do love this map , it was my first time i play Doom in a 97 windows OS , in a 10gb disc !!

[@germanb90]

Oh man... really looking forward to next level :D :D

[@MirekWdowiak]

Good evening, decino. Watching now this 12h part 2. Very good god-like skills, mr. decino! And head's up - you will beat this fight in a one segment soon. It's almost impossible, really hard, like god machine, but you will do this! :) Your vids are always entertaining and enjoyable to watch. Even if you struggle and hit with the wall like this crazy fight. Good that are other projects - like this one for example, to little chillout before the real fight :)

[@naji1131]

I really like this map - I enjoyed getting lost in it! And it’s a little spooky too

[@random__itch]

I like this map. Always stood out to me.

[@Landrew0]

I see nothing wrong with this map at all. It's perfectly respectable. It's probably meant to make you complacent before tackling the next one.

[@joeilya]

The map is more explorational than it is gameplay oriented, that's the unique thing about it that makes it memorable and likeable for me.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

Maybe They Will Repent would've been a better as the M2 map in terms of difficulty & intensity. Perfect Hatred is pretty balls-to-the-wall... it would fit as a later map easily.

[@A_D_M_E_R_A_L]

Imma be honest, I *DID NOT* knew about that sneaky Invuln in this map until this vid. The things you learn in 30 years of Doom.

[@chezzington918]

I like this map caused it answers the age old question of where the lost Mayan temples went. They went to hell. They went to hell with all its greyish green marble ugliness.

[@Focusbreak-Habeeb]

Well, since you asked, I do like this map but purely for nostalgia. I was 14 when I played Doom for the first time back in 1993-94 and witnessed how this game along with Wolfenstein 3D and others at that era defined the FPS genre. It's almost impossible for me to judge it without that kinda bias now xD

[@Pedrozambujal]

I could feel the passive aggressiveness towards this map throughout the whole video

[@trueakuma777]

I don't have a problem with this map, but it's not one of my favorites. The aesthetic IS a bit plain, and getting all the secrets can be a little tedious, but it's not too bad. A few interesting fights here and there help make it not terrible. Thanks for the fun video and stay safe out there!

[@TIIKKETMASTER]

0:20 i fucking love this map one of my favorites of the classics!

[@ar_xiv]

I always thought the geometry was nice on this one and felt like it was made with some care even if it doesn’t really translate to great gameplay. The compactness is nice. It feels like they wanted it to be more puzzle-like but couldn’t quite figure out what the puzzle should be

[@RaymSSB]

I also like this map because of the Tag 0 glitch from the DOOM from memory

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Not the entire map, but I like the starting area - the window, the candles, the small blood fountain. Looks so cozy. I can easily imagine it as being a part of a real-life house. The rest of the map - nothing memorable.

[@fisk0]

I actually love the marble textures. This isn't exactly a favorite map of the game though, but it's totally fine, but that texture is very remiscent of the 80s first person dungeon crawlers I grew up with (and which are still one of my favorite genres).

[@carrotmaster8521]

visually the green marble is my favourite aesthetic

[@jojo0753]

This is one of the maps in all of Doom's history

[@gregarden2208]

Are you also going to do Sigil on Nightmare, with 100% items, Decino? I think that'd be awesome!

[@subnormality.]

I like this map-- pale-green bricks w/blood is my favorite Doom aesthetic, kind of hellish but not too obvious about it. Tastefully hellish.

[@Artaresto]

I, for one, like this map. Something about the irregular layout and the charm of old school marble. I do really like the marble color, even when exaggerated as in rhis map :)

[@sphtpfhorbrains3592]

I do like the map because of the layout of the castle ramparts - a nice aesthetic imo, even if it is a bit greeny everywhere. I wonder why they bothered with adding BFG in there in the exit room.

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

Continous play

[@Blackberry7620]

I love the layout of this map, kind of a disorienting layout designed to stop intruders. The green brick texture is the quintessential castle texture to me. Plus the music was great. One of my favourite Doom maps.

[@reb3lvagabond238]

I swear in Doom 1 it's always the maps with this music track that people don't really like/find interesting. I'm not even that fond of the music track either, that "sting" that you hear throughout always reminded me of something from Rugrats

[@СергейМисюк-ж1к]

They will repent... Love the visual aesthetics of this level - a mixture of E2 and E3 imagery. After dull all-brown Unruly Evil it looks very nice. Gameplay-wise I can't say anything about playing on Nightmare. On UV it is okay for me. The only thing I can "complain" about is common for all E4 (and Sigil) maps - is the same roster of hostiles. Sure as heck, I won't mind some chaingun dudes and Heck knights. And, maybe, an Archies.

[@nabnoob]

Looking forward to the explanation video of that line of sight bug.

[@prish98]

I liked the Doom From Memory version of this map, that was a trip😂

[@CaveyMoth]

Hit scanners and barrels...the scariest things that hell has to offer.

[@billabobyt]

Yeah there's nothing to appreciate about this map honestly. Even the item placements feel like they were randomly strewn about because hey, the map needs items, let's put some clusters of bonuses on the floor somewhere

[@dantheman2888]

Great video.

[@rattlehead1003]

Completely random. Who you ever do a ps1/psx Doom run, playthrough.. thing.. of Doom? It blew my mind that the music and sounds of Doom 64 came from that game. I just never played it because I had Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 on PC. Love you and Doggo.

[@spladam3845]

Well done, you made that look easy.

[@chrisbingley]

If I'm honest, with the exception of E4M2, all of the E4 maps tend to blend into each other. This is just another "kill a bunch of stuff and click the button" map.

[@QSHV]

I kinda like the second half of this map, specifically because the rad suits provide a time limit on the damaging floors and there's a lot of enemies blocking the player's path.

[@milanpospisil8024]

I like this map, because of the theme of green hellish bricks. It reminds me halls of pain, which is one of my favourite doom 1 maps. And also e2m4.

[@oliverdaisey7319]

Decino, prepare yourself for the next map. Can't wait!

[@Flamewalk]

I like the interpretation of this map by "Doom but something is not right", the "broken" one. Kind of sums up the fact that this map is a mess:)

[@glennpendleton9520]

I am a green brick enjoyer. The hellish castle style with rivers of toxic blood appeals to me. A relatively easy BFG at the end is nice for continuous play, too.

[@Bloody0range]

I like this map for speedrunning because you can jump to the exit through the window and skip getting the yellow key (which doesn't save much time but feels cool :D )

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

I agree the monster force is too anemic. But I enjoy marble-textured hell maps in general. The idea of Hell putting on airs of luxury or of palatial majesty, in what doubles as a fortress of tortures, epitomizes the idea of twisted, warped spirit. Also green and red (the obligatory blood) are high-contrast colors.

[@OphidianGG]

Me: "Oh I like this map" decino: "Who likes this map???" Oh..

[@odstagent1070]

Precisely i was waiting for you to play this map, because some day i got an idea: How about transforming this level (and Mt. Erebus) into a demonic water park? Replacing every damaging floor into water (also any texture flow like the fountain at the start) and adding some filter for extra ambience light Maybe one day i learn how to make wads...

[@Gebohq]

Being a filthy casual that really only got into Doom not too long ago and who struggled to complete Plutonia on HMP, I rarely find official Doom maps "boring" on a challenge level. What I will find is certain maps unappealing to look at, and while there is a good amount of green marble, I really liked the blood flow through it, and the layout is the sort of maze-like I find enjoyable, and I'm not familiar with many maps that are made like this.

[@kevinperron7325]

Ah yes the episode 2 map thats in episode 4

[@db7213]

I like this map after having used gzdoom's EventHandler functionality to replace the all those GSTONE1 textures with a more techbase look via a BROWNGRN and STONE combo.

[@zoolapin]

regardless how plain this map is, we are in for a ride for e4m6 next!

[@dt2phillips]

Can’t wait for E4M6 tomorrow! Rip it apart!