Dedicated table saw dust collector

[@boristhebilder7553]

Matthias, thank you for not attacking your viewers for not watching your videos. I watch your videos because you're an interesting person that thinks differently.

[@Salamoulevits]

Your ingenuity with clamps still amazes me after all these years, don't know like 7 years now.

[@badopinion]

I still sorely need to build a tool wall organizer like yours... and now I need a dedicated table saw dust collector too?! You’re the man Matthias.

[@Alanbataar]

Mattias, I appreciate your problem solving! Two little details of this video caught my eye: I like the simplicity of the indexing screw/hole arrangement, and the hold-down springs are really nice, too. I could imagine using a spring to hold the lid down, but my solution would have been to use a cup hook on the spring eye - your solution is much easier to use!

[@peteriannuzzo1525]

Always interesting to see how you retrofit your machines with scrap parts. Looking forward to the follow-up video.

[@DavidRed95]

John will be proud of your for using that construction adhesive

[@leslieb6881]

I think you are one of the smartest guys on KZbin, possibly the smartest. Very methodical.

[@Cancun771]

I am astonished that all these casters turned out the same height, in the complete absence of anything resembling a depth stop.

[@Phil659]

Fridays don't quite feel right without one of Matthias's videos

[@Mike-tb2hw]

Starting Friday off with a fresh Wandel video... gonna be a good weekend!

[@jonnymountain8211]

I learn at least three things from each of your videos, and I am a builder by trade. Bravo.

[@mc4kvb]

A lot of work but in the end I think you have what you need once you get the relay box built so it will all work at the same time. You have a lot of great ideas for solving some of your problems you encountered. Great build Matthias.

[@thereplicant8220]

You and john should do another vs video my favourite was wen he fell through his cupboard shelf that was held up with biscuits

[@DoItProjects]

I don’t care if it’s gears, furniture, dust collection, or if he decides to blog about makeup. When Matthias posts a video, I click. And I’m never disappointed 👍

[@Stephen1455]

That's brilliant how you inset the casters!!!!!

[@beakz]

My first thought was the construction adhesive mentions were for John Heisz's reaction :) I like the idea of a unit for the table saw though.

[@Andysanche]

Stay tuned to Heisz channel to see some threaded dowels made on a screw advance box joint jig! lol

[@MaxMakerChannel]

I never understoof why he likes that stuff so much. But I also haven´t used it myself.

[@beakz]

Max Maker It has its applications.

[@billybobjoe198]

Its applications are in construction. And it goes bad after a few years. The main use is on joists under sub floors. But they make application specific adhesives for that now.

[@DustinPrat]

byw yup the subfloor adhesive is some crazy strong stuff, use it weekly framing houses, and every once and a while I come home with an extra case as they almost send enough to change the tube every 5 sheets

[@alanh2077]

Great job on the extractor!! I also watched the video on how you made it auto-start and stop!

[@DavidStanton]

That was a neat thing with the spring to hold the lid down Matthias!

[@matthiaswandel]

I thought a lot about a clever mechanism, then opened my springs drawer and saw these long ones, and realized, it could be so much simpler!

[@BryanCollette]

I really liked this too - so simple and efficient! Love your videos as always!

[@TheWoodYogi]

So simple and functional :) ॐ

[@drmkiwi]

Those longs springs are great. At some stage an old chair was destroyed and somebody had the forethought to save all the long springs. They come in very handy for various projects. I use one to keep a small gate closed and it helps keep the sheep out of one of the sheds. Cheers, David.

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

I use a similar collector box for metal chips. It was inspired by some of your other dust collectors. My shop vac pulls the chips into the box and they fall out into a bucket inside. I have no need for a filter as their is no metal "dust". It keeps my work space a lot cleaner than blowing metal chips all over the place with a air hose.

[@paulmunro3050]

Look forward to the relay box video. Thanks for sharing

[@jeremyspecce]

Kettle Vale me too, probably even more than this one!

[@dougprentice1363]

Me Three.

[@normanboyes4983]

Love your videos and especially the dust extractors.

[@WhatInTheWorldSJ]

You shouldn't use construction adhesive while wearing long sleeves. The sleeve could get caught in the joint you are sealing, and you'd be stuck wearing the box everywhere you go while wearing the jacket. That or you'll have to take the jacket off and have to leave it hanging on your dust collector forever. Love your videos, you are a true genius, despite your cavalier flaunting of long sleeve construction adhesive safety best practices.

[@beefchicken]

I was hoping someone would bring this up. This happened to my mother when she was carrying me in her womb. They wouldn’t let her in the hospital with a dust collector attached to her sleeve, so she was forced to give birth in a cabinet factory.

[@jmickart]

This is a problem at airports as well because the collector counts as a carry-on.

[@SuperAWaC]

it violates every page of the european dust collector safety act of 1986 which is why home-built dust collectors are illegal in the EU now. you'd never see such an unsafe thing in the EU!!!

[@davdal33]

SpoonsJTD everyone knows the story of 'Dusty John' he will go down in history as an example of bad construction adhesive etiquette

[@spacemanrick2014]

I guess its better than getting your bare arm glued to the dust extractor. They might call him The Winter Woodworker. Longing, Rusted, Seventeen, Daybreak, Furnace, Nine...

[@chevydunlap1517]

i can see the improvement on your ideas since the last time you made the dust collector. like the window so you can see inside when it is full genius idea.

[@mikekernan5388]

You never disappoint with your videos. Thank you for sharing. Mike

[@qaweeorltuys]

Glad you're still making build videos!

[@jamesthebiscuit]

He puts things together so quickly

[@ManCrafting]

It’s always great when you can revisit an old project and improve the design. Great job.

[@dsnester2754]

How dust collector videos are my favorite

[@wi11y1960]

Have the dust collector use one leg of the power for the saw. When you start the saw, it powers the vacuum as well. Love your projects. Keep it up

[@marcg.3333]

You always have clever and practical ways of solving problems. I always learn something new! Thanks, much appreciated.

[@longshot789]

Construction Adhesive! John would be so proud.

[@steveoh5533]

Can't wait to see part 2 with the relay box Matthias

[@purelife6846]

John would be proud! He loves construction adhesive lol can’t wait for you guys to do another colab lll

[@MaxMakerChannel]

I like these dust extractor videos and watched them all. But I don’t think they are very convenient. They take a lot of time to build and they are bulky. You also need to clean out the filters. I just bough one of those plastic cyclones for 50$ and attached it to a bucket. Then my shopvac sucks up all the dust. I put the shopvac outside to limit the noise (to my neighbors). Works very well and the shopvac filter is never full. I also layed down sewage pipes throughout my shop to extend the range of the vacuum. The small diameter makes this less bulky.

[@matthiaswandel]

those plastic cyclones - it's obscene how they cost more than a shopvac! And shopvacs are super loud. And the hoses and bucket and all that - just not very conenient!

[@MaxMakerChannel]

I don´t find it obscene. They are built in smaller quantaties, so they must cost more. The dust collection for the Panto Router costes 139$ and is also just a piece of plastic (with bristles). You need hoses anyway, no matter which system you use. The bucket? Costs 10$ and requires no assembly. Yeah the noise is bad. Thats the only issues I have with them.

[@meanders9221]

Yes, you're right. And if you use a Festool shop vac with cyclone it is effective and almost silent. And a normal dust collection system works even better (much better). But if Mathias had a normal job and bought a dust collection system what would we watch??

[@MaxMakerChannel]

Thats why I said that I enjoy his videos. I wouldn´t recommend building one though.

[@beefchicken]

Max Maker who sought your recommendation?

[@nickjm37fordel1]

I love watching how you solve problems with your projects :-) (wheels ) ( spring )

[@mickenoss]

I'm glad you built a window into this one, always seemed like an obvious thing to have.

[@iainportalupi]

What about a baffle angled down slightly just to get the big shavings going down and away from the filters? Maybe something like a 30 degree down angle?

[@ScamstinCrew]

As an FYI the tabs on that short straight piece of duct were used for a "tap" as in you slip the tabs into the duct (or plywood in this case) and fold them over and you have a duct connection. I find it ironic you cut the tabs off that are meant to be pounded over (which is easier) so you could pound over the duct section. At the end of the day it works but figured i would try and help future you out.

[@hernancoronel]

You ARE a mad scientist! No doubt! Love your videos, thank you!

[@GMastolier]

Great idea and project but, dang it, now I have to interrupt my woodworking projects to make one just like it (my regular dust collection system just does not cut it but, I think a collector like yours is the answer).

[@moc5541]

With a box that big it would seem that perhaps one of those dust collection system filter bags--- e.g., POWERTEC 70001 Dust Collector Bag, 20" x 31", 1 Micron Filter--- could be put inside, inverted, with the exhaust above the bag and dust inside falling to the floor of a section below a panel with a hole in it into which the mouth of the bag is fit. So the inlet would be to the lower section. See "baghouse" on wikipedia for drawings of industrial-sized units.

[@Justinofalltrades1]

looking forward to the relay box

[@manghetajahau2615]

I wonder why you dont use your box joint jig for these types of constructions. Wont itbe better?

[@valstachowski]

Also maybe put a directional inlet in the sawdust collection box?

[@Descorath]

+Matthias Wendel, with the inlet hole that high up and close to the filter, wouldn't it be an idea to have an downward deflector just on the inside ? not straight downward, just enough so that debris not flying straight up to the filter when it enters the box. The airflow shouldn't be affected much by such a small deflection.

[@brianjones1282]

+Matthias Wandel Instead of going to the trouble of building a cyclone to go in front of the filter could you just put a baffle in the box? Not a vertical baffle but an almost entirely horizontal one extending maybe 3/4 of the way across the box. About 4 inches or so below the filter? Or at leas the end of the baffle next to the the inlet would be about 4 inches below the filter, and the other end of it away from the inlet angled down to maybe about 6 inches below the filter. Just something to slow down and divert the air enough that hopefully most of the larger particles fall out. But still leaves decent flow for the dust.

[@MrFakit]

I may have said this before (I'm old) I wish youtube would add a feature where you could instantly show everyone of the creator's replies to comments, I enjoy most of Matthias responses.

[@badorastrome5418]

Great job .. I like your work ..you inspire me to do some wood work..thank you

[@jackmcslay]

You can have a switch that turns on both the saw and the collector by connecting one of the phases used by the saw to the collector, onlf caveat is you have to make sure neutral and phase are wired correctly to the outlets and that you're using a 120V plug with the wider neutral plug

[@SMee67]

Love the way your mind ticks. 👍

[@spinafire]

I know it's simple, but that window is beautiful.

[@jashann]

Great video Mathias. I always learn something new.

[@RB216220]

I find loctite wood adhesive is a great alternative to the traditional construction adhesive. Much less sticky and much easier to clean up.

[@julianpiper240]

Awesome video matthias, very informative and helpful

[@Supply_65]

If you don't need to remove the filter, I suggest using mastic tape. The adhesive is far superior. I manage a Baker Distributing and for duct we hardly ever sell fiber (old school) tape anymore. Mastic is generally used to seal coils and furnaces as well as boots to drywall. Search Polyken 367 or Hardcast 1402.

[@robertoqueipo9535]

Muy practico y al tenerlo cerca de la máquina no tenemos tanta perdida de carga. Para limpiar el filtro muchas maquinas incorporar un martillo o una es céntrica para golpear lo y q así caiga el polvo. Aunque creo q lo mejor es un ciclón q no necesita filtro, pero necesitas tener altura para la recogida del material.

[@UseByYesterday]

would be interesting to see if the pressure drop due to dust built up on the filter our-weights the pressure drop of a cyclone in the medium run. (I am def in love with cyclones atm, soo tired of filter cleaning ;) )

[@chrisycee]

what's the reason for cutting the extra metal off the flange? seems like more metal would mean a stronger connection once you've screwed it on

[@ewoutwielenga527]

maybe you could experiment using the venturi effect for a dust collector

[@andy4an]

mechanical engineer here; is there a simple way to make a bellmouth fitting between the hose and box? straight fittings have high pressure drop, and performance would be better with a bellmouth. I appreciate that you can also just throw more power at it, and a bellmouth might be hard to make.

[@johnbarneswood]

Would tacking down the weather stripping solve the "sticky" issue or would that potentially cause a failure? Could always use more construction adhesive ;)

[@Eaglebird]

Could you not apply a single side of 240 for the 120? Plug filter motor into saw switch, run extra neutral (or use ground (don't use ground)), e.g. saw motor gets 240 but the filter motor sees 120 because one lead is neutral. Then when the table saw switch flips the filter comes on too.

[@Eaglebird]

Or add an outlet to the saw that goes live with the saw, then you can disconnect the filter from the saw and keep the effort in the switch for the next dust collector.

[@Benlucky13]

would having 2 separate switches side by side for the dust collection and table saw be simpler? then a small strip of wood can be glued across both for 1 super switch. not the prettiest, but maybe quickest solution

[@matthiaswandel]

I tried that before. Problem is, I often hit the wrong switch, so it's dangerous. I may think I switched the saw off, but only switched the dc off.

[@wolvenar]

Thank you for this. So many good ideas to glean from this video.

[@donvanco3078]

I think even a simple down or side-facing elbow in the box might help with the large shavings.

[@thatellipsisguy8984]

So THAT's where John's last tube of construction adhesive went...

[@KarlBunker]

A bonus feature: You can sit your kids in front of the plexiglass window and tell them it's a TV show.

[@Atheistic007]

That window is total OCD delight.

[@brianlasch144]

Wood glue and Caulk to seal it up instead of construction adhesive?

[@demolishedman50]

Luv your videos and your Canadian accent.

[@skottypippen1]

Probably someone already comented that, but some rolers, or castors, on the top next to the motor could make for a good outfead support.

[@LeightonGill]

6:27 - How do you get these all a consistent depth?

[@СТОЛЯРУС-ш2щ]

How does the grid system work? Why not showed?

[@jackfrost1031]

Could you not power the fan with one leg of the 220v plug?

[@charlesmorris100]

How is the 240 a problem? just use one phaze one wire.

[@garrettlambert6911]

Re Re the auto on/off switch: the 220v line consists of two 110v legs. Could you not tap into just one of them for the blower and avoid the necessity of a relay circuit? (Obviously I'm not an electrician...)

[@florianfalch6048]

i use in my shop a master slave switch to start automaticly my vac for all of my mashines, but if you use this dust collector only for your tablesaw, you could wire directly to the tablesaw. sorry for se great english ;-) with greetings from austria

[@Jeremy-fy1sz]

Could you run the blower on half the saw circuit or would the imbalance be an issue?

[@joeromanak8797]

How does he get the 2nd hand construction glue back in the tube? 😎👍

[@jannassary]

hi i have a fix blade table saw I can't adjust the high (lower or raise) can u make or come up with a project which I can raise and lower being practical and easy to make thank you atlas eco tz 800 is the model

[@GalleryOfChameleon]

Why does the top of the dust collector need to be level with the table saw? I might have missed something

[@dougprentice1363]

It needs to be below level. So work can pass over it. That's why he recessed the casters.

[@zolatanaffa87]

Have you ever thought of throwing back a part of the air inside the saw? Just turn the impeller outlet appropriately and you are done. In this way you would be able to move all the chips that stops in the corners far from the suction hole. in all cases I would lower the height of the box, so I could cover the engine: mechanically and electrically potentially dangerous. For the different voltages I recommend a three-phase cable with neutral so you can make the necessary distribution simply with domino terminals at an irrelevant cost: with a good neutral calculated for the 100 V electric motor, you do not have problems of different powers ciao from italy!

[@Paulman50]

zola tanaffa I was thinking what a pain having 110v and 240v in the same shed, but I spose my shed has 240v and 400v and no problems.

[@zolatanaffa87]

All electric distribution lines are a three-phase system and whose voltage is 110v between any phase and the neutral and 220V between any two phases, here in Europe the voltages are 230V and 400V but the principle is the same. When your electric contract provides for the three-phase supply you automatically have both values available in your shed

[@mr.wizeguy8995]

I would hang dust collector engine outside of shop wall. Run some metal duct work above head through wall, few out takes with flexible hose equipped with some valve so you can choose which tool "suck" most dust and build some small shed or container for exhaust port dust. That way ALL dust would go outside and no need to inhale all small particles that passed filter.

[@matthiaswandel]

What I did was so much simpler! Plus not losing the heat in the process.

[@fergusontea]

Don't you know that glue magically dries in a few seconds in videos??? ;-) Another enjoyable video!

[@igorpavelmerku7599]

Hi Matthias, please allow a basic question: my dust collector has a 100mm attachment, but my tools have less diameter attachments, like 60mm or even less. What do you suggest, get a tube with100mm as close to the tool as possible and use a reduction as short as possibile, or can I use a flexible tube with 60mm diameter and 1.5m-2m length and then attach to the larger tube? Thanks a lot for your comment.

[@Fliegerdirk]

B4 Dirk wie immer eine top Arbeit. Danke für deine Videos. KLASSE

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

Pull a 110v off the 220v. If the existing double pole receptacle is protected by a double pole 15 or 20 Amp breaker then you can safely tap off the conductors at the junction box to fed other 120 V outlets.

[@SchoonerLily]

I hurt my back scrounging plywood from the garbage, i told my wife it was Mattias's fault. Its nice having a scape goat!

[@EtaCarinae230]

i think that a cyclone will be a much efficient option in this application, though it's complicated to build it from wood.. dimension for that type of flow are not a concern ..

[@emagiac]

Why don’t you use a cyclone dust separator instead?

[@matthiaswandel]

see end of linked article

[@alexatkinson1023]

Could also rig a transformer to the switched power of the saw and run the dust collector from there.

[@jiribohac4661]

Please can you help I want circular saw for some hobby woodworking and I don't know if it's better makita or bosch professional . Thanks for answer :D

[@b5a5m5]

Hey Matthias, you don't need to set up a relay box depending on the switch you have on the saw. If the switch is DPDT for both the hots for the 220, you should be able to tie into one of the hots on one side of the switch and a neutral potential on the saw to power your collector. If the switch is not DPDT then the collector will always be powered since one hot will always be connected to the circuitry. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken here.

[@matthiaswandel]

Yes, I did that earlier, but there's no neutral, so I hooked it up to ground instead, which wasn't the best either. And this one consumes much more power, so really not the best idea.

[@paulbalegend]

Change the cord and plugs to add a neutral! Cleanest and simplest solution.

[@JW77]

Matthias Wandel aren't neutral and ground the same thing? Unless your ground wire is really thin.

[@ihatenumberinemail]

EJ: No, if you sink any significant current to ground, then your "ground" will no longer be at 0V.

[@paulbalegend]

EJ Wu though they are connected at the panel, they are not the same thing.

[@kevinblair2882]

What are your thoughts for the dust that is thrown forward by the blade when cutting? I have an overhead hose that pulls a lot of the fine dust up, larger dust gets thrown forward. I've tried a few shop made blade guard/dust collection builds (Shop Notes from a few years ago and there's a few youtube vidoes), but I'm never happy with them. Any improved dust collection is offset by the hassle in adjusting the guard, potential interference in making the cut, and the dust collection is mediorce, bettter than nothing, but not by that much. I do wear a mask, but it would be nice to get that dust collected by vaccum as well.

[@matthiaswandel]

I don't now a good solution. If you use a table saw for a variety of uses, the overhad thing is just not worth the hassle. It would be different if all I did was cut apart pieces of plywood all the time.

[@MrVito456]

From the video's end, it seems that the top of the motor may be interfering with the fence mechanism, but then again might be just a filming angle thing ...

[@emo65170.]

A baffle in the box may help keep bigger pieces from getting to the filter.

[@RZShizzle]

Can you not just wire the motor to one side of the 240v circuit?

Are you sure you didn't want to put a light in that?

[@JOSEPH-vs2gc]

An electric spark in flying Aerated wood shavings hm..

[@nigelft]

JOSEPH ... well, that is certainly one way to go out with a bang ... ... I'll get my coat ...

[@jmickart]

Did the screen work well?

[@maximumiq158]

you could put a diode in series to make the 240 -> 120 drop.

[@billherreid9661]

It would be cool to add some kind of rotating brush under the blade to agitate the sawdust and send it all into the dust collector so you don't get buildup. Another idea: using a high power LED array and a black background to see dust motes and check for leaks in filters.