Deep Archimedea - Tough challenge, big rewards! | Warframe

Once upon a time we had Archon hunts for our shards. Now they pale in comparison to the output of the new Deep Archimedea missions, but the difficulty spike can be overwhelming. This guide will prepare you on what you need to do, ways to handles the challenges ahead, and what you get from such an ordeal.
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0:00 Intro
0:20 Unlocking DA
0:38 Challenge screen
1:59 Extra mission difficulty
4:20 General strategies
5:52 Dealing with modifiers
8:40 The power of FRIENDSHIP
9:46 REWARDS
11:28 Comparison to Netracells & Hunts
12:59 Closing notes
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[@MrTooTyO]

Highest tier requirement: Have a friend.

[@sephylon2499]

Bonus if you can play dante+styanax with them

[@cheesejuice_]

one time someone called me for help. So I re-did DA with whatever setup I wanted. My friend got rewards for basically calling me in and not leaving.

[@sh0shin]

I just spam pubs and win in 2-3. idk

[@Truedatrue3373]

Me vs my noob randons

[@ab_c4429]

I always just join squads in recruit. Almost always 2-3 legendary 4 players.

[@ClawQuake]

My favorite part is how more than half of the equipment in Warframe isn't worth using.

[@gerferies]

That's why we usually have variations.

[@kaiserium8551]

My 2nd favorite part is how I don't have enough weapon slots for that same half of the equipment

[@gerferies]

@@kaiserium8551 that just comes with time. Invest in trades with players, buy more slots or ask friends if they can gift it to you.

[@Joe90h]

My favourite part is having an account I've invested a lot of time into and being rewarded for my diverse array of equipment.

[@tctc4413]

my 2nd favorite part is the limit to the # of riven slots we have so it's not even worth maxing any non-meta weapons

[@BARogueAssassin]

A little tip for Mirror Defense: If you spawn the Necramech eximus within the last 5-10 seconds of the round, its spawn animation will eat up all the time left in the round, and it'll die during the transition to the next wave without you having to do anything. The next wave will then start with 1:45 on the timer, and you can repeat this at the end of rounds 2 and 3. Then you can challenge the one on the last round normally Likely a bug, will probably get patched, but a really useful tip to shave that time off even if your squad isn't necessarily capable of defeating the mechs normally

[@homerlol9058]

This carried me hard last week Hopefully it stays for some time

[@winnerdiego4562]

Also, use ancient Eximus healer specters!

[@Beefercow]

​@@winnerdiego4562no consumables

[@OniGanon]

Between Deep Archimedea and Circuit, it seems necessary now to build every warframe and have the best variant of every weapon.

[@philipm5043]

I believe that's the true end game. Have every single frame and weapon in the game fully forma'd.

[@jamesogeto3061]

Think it's easier to have a build on all warframes and then gamble on the weapons

[@R462venom]

I think it's good to encourage players to experiment and learn how to to use various weapons in the game instead of the same 4 ones your most comfortable with. It also means the more weapons/Warframes you master (as in learn how to properly mod and use them) the better your chances are of getting a 'good' Loadout in Archimedea or Duviri.

[@lil-trashcans-_-]

lost me at "curated squad" we dont do that round these parts, public matchmaking or solo forever

[@drkillbrew6387]

Absolutely. Always laugh when I see content creators or people on Reddit say this can't be done with pubs. I've done the Elite version with pubs every week so far with no problems (outside of the first couple hours after it came out, when people were still gauging how it all worked: mostly too many newbies that didn't realize the immortal liminus would kill them so fast)

[@celestialkitsune]

It's all luck based. There's a lot of people in public who just expect to get carried. Reminds me of the one time I went into an eidolon hunt in public. Somebody was frost, for some fucked up reason. So I'd rather do it solo, or with friends I know can do well on their own, than have to babysit.

[@jamesogeto3061]

Random ain't so bad been doing them in public squads not soo bad !

[@andieg8615]

@@jamesogeto3061 I am also surprised it hasn't been so bad pugging this. Normal netracell pugs are worse.

[@jamesogeto3061]

@@andieg8615 yeah just have a good 1 good weapon so that you can kill enemies

[@bluprint27]

Another tip: There are no restrictions for companions, so you are free to bring your favorite/best companion. For me, I usually run a sentinel with Duplex Bond and Verglas with Shivering Contagion. The extra crowd control really helps me with survivability and Mirror Defense. EDIT: I also run Sacrifice on the sentinel just in case. It actually saved my runs a few times.

[@CreEpeRneSs125]

Having a friend you can rotate bringing meta gear with to take turns carrying each other is how i beat the mirror defense last week

[@icesharkk6399]

I think they will patch this. its bypassing the mechanics in a way i think its undermining the achievement.

[@ric6611]

@@icesharkk6399 how would they patch this, though?

[@undisabled1552]

​@@ric6611quite easily? Limit it to one completion per week

[@droppedcorgi]

​@@undisabled1552what if you only did a lower tier and wanted to go again for better rewards?

[@ric6611]

@@undisabled1552 Not a great solution, now if you wanted to try more challenges you can't. You unlocked elite DA? Well, play it next week. Everyone will be pressed to try it with all the challenges, or not do it at all. It will be frustrating because you don't want to underevaluate your own capacity or you won't get another shot. If they did that the unhappiness from the community wouldn't be worth it.

[@Torterror1]

One thing you kind of glossed over is that archguns are not considered for the gear selection either, so if the transference restriction is in play you still have access to a fairly strong heavy hitter in case your other weapons are weak and not built out. As long as the double whammy of no operator or gear wheel items are not on there's no reason to not have a competent weapon available for at least a significant amount of each mission.

[@Teaspoonful]

you don't understand how much I appreciate these videos and the math behind them. Thank you

[@CrownedLadybug]

When I was a wee baby Tenno, the year's anniversary alerts were running, one with a Melee Only modifier. This immediately introduced me to the variety of ways people would bypass such modifiers, if they didn't feel like not having guns: Wuclone, Xaku, gunblades, archguns, even a two-man Vauban blender. That's when I understood that Warframe at its best isn't a shooter, it's a very convoluted problem solving simulator The challenges set by Deep Archimedea take that problem solving to the next level Very informative video as always

[@drantino]

the vampyric enemys alone are the biggest hurddle for pug groups from what ive noticed, seen them drop like flys trying to chain revive

[@kaneasax4923]

I failed my first elite archimidea this week because of it. Our khora went down because of them. Then i tried tanking them for long enough to get the revive off, but i failed

[@dormikdelron]

It's literally like having 10 toxic procs on you per second. It bypasses shield gating, which is how most frames do endgame content.

[@never3nder]

Fortunately they are vulnerable to some CC. Limbo Stasis trivialised it last week; and this week I found out that Creeping Terrify's 80% slow applies to them, which is great because it's Nekros' Helminth subsumed so you can put it on any frame, and get a pretty good Armour strip to boot

[@OniGanon]

You mean those invincible guys with the death aura?

[@abyssalserpent3679]

They should at least get a hard-core nerf to their immunities. I hate how last week when I got Khora as a choice that even when I passed on the "-75% ability duration" debuff that I used Khora's Ensnare (one of very few crowd control abilities that works on the Liminus enemies) with about 231% ability duration, which should give Ensnare a 30-second duration, but because of how broken overpowered those things are Ensnare with a 231% ability duration only lasts 1-2 seconds on them. I get this is supposed to be end-game content, but this is just plain ridiculous and unreasonable.

[@nelvy3636]

Since you can skip one parameter and still get all the rewards, I think Kullervo is extremly good in these missions. Got a shit weapon/warframe choices ? Just take Kullervo with rest of parameters, take any melee weapon from the selection and mod it for heavy attack. Big damage and good survivability in one. It kinda sucks againts some enemies (murmur boss, some flying enemies), but I had a lot of succes with this in pubs. This is my go to strategy if RNG decides to give me bad options.

[@faithgrins]

Baruuk is also a great "I hate all of this, just let me have one degree of freedom" pick. Requires no weapons and doesn't mind most of the debuffs. Building Dante for his book is also a pretty solid move. It'll be weaker than Kullervo or Baruuk in terms of damage output, but the support options he has can make up for that if you're in a public group.

[@jonathandias7006]

I do on Public, because if you got a good loadout, you can help everyone, and if you get a Bad Loadout, the others will help aswell

[@omnie22]

this would be a lot more fun if there were more weapons viable at high levels, right now it just feels like a lottery of if you're allowed to be helpful or if you'll need to be carried

[@CrashSable]

All weapons are "viable" at high levels. Even the Cronus can kill a Rogue Necramech if you invest in it. What you meant to say is "as good as the Torid Incarnon"

[@monkaeyes3417]

​@@CrashSableStop this nonsense. No, not everyone has the time or plat or time to earn plat. In order to buy rivens and forma an item several times every week. You act like this game isn't broken in this element. This week I'm here with no weapons I have invested in before, I'm down 300 platinum on buying rivens and forma to make this work. I've got 3 frames that all focus on CC and somehow I've gotta help on the effervo boss with no ability duration to CC the adds. Short story: I will need to be carried.

[@sansy279]

​@@monkaeyes3417 thinking you even need a riven to do anything in high level is stupid, everyone's been asking for endgame and when its not accesible by newer players you're mad? Thats the whole point of an endgame lmao

[@monkaeyes3417]

@@sansy279 you have an unrealistic expectation for what an "endgame" player is. Someone with a full inventory of invested in weapons is not an endgame player. That is a no-life player.

[@Kuran1986]

​​@@monkaeyes3417lmao, this is endgame, if you don't have the necessary stuff that means THIS ISNT FOR YOU Why do you believe you're entitled to being able to breeze through any content in the game? So many games have endgames that players have to work towards, this is Warframe's endgame. You are so salty it's really funny, in another reply you said someone with a fully upgraded arsenal is a no loser, no, some of us have been playing for close to 10 years and FINALLY we have our endgame, just like wow does, just like FFXIV does, just like GW2 does. New players shouldn't be able to easily finish any content in the game, that's the point of progression. Also, you have normal netracell runs, which are a lot easier for newbies and also have great rewards Stop complaining about this game having an endgame, it's pathetic, you want everything served on a silver platter, why? Didn't you play any other games in your entire life or something? Literally every mmo has content dedicated for the high level, highly geared players. Jesus Christ, people like you are dragging this community down, you literally lack any sense.

[@Demogarose]

One thing Ken neglected to mention: Your equipped Heavy Weapon (aka Archgun with gravmag) IS deployable in Deep Archimedea and AFAIK there's no variable restricting their use. very useful info to have if you got stuck with a crappy loadout

[@Artikz_]

There is a modifier that disables EVERY gear if i remember correctly

[@hexerin]

@@Artikz_ Correct. I've had that modifier, it completely blocks all equipment usage.

[@Demogarose]

@@hexerin fair enough, had not run into that one myself, hence "AFAIK"

[@SecretData001]

And the things about ammo drop and ammo drain. It would be even harder time without a Lavos

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@SecretData001 Don't need to take a lavos, having a pocket Protea specter helps

[@mahaok1]

I think the best tip i can offer for public matchmakers is always assume you have to do everything yourself. This means if you see revenant in your selection but theres a mirror defense in the missions, pick the CC warframe instead. If your the only CC player then you picked well, if someone else also picked a CC then you just win more. Every warframe these days can survive and deal big damage, selecting warframes that do only these things in public matchmaking is almost always being a detriment to the squad

[@SusloNick]

Cant call gear lottery a challenge.

[@lorenzofranchi6063]

Well it is more on mastering your stuff to be honest

[@lookalike4805]

You can if you have all the Gear Fully Potatoed and Formad.

[@user-ci5zp6yf5l]

​@@lookalike4805In other words being allergic to touching grass

[@Kuran1986]

​@@user-ci5zp6yf5lin other words, maybe this is endgame that's only made for endgame players? Just like wow? Just like FFXIV? Just like GW2? Just like destiny 2? Just like any mmo that has a dedicated piece of content for people that have reached endgame? You literally have the easier version, netracells so you don't cry about missing rewards. Crybabies, crybabies everywhere

[@beegyoshi1685]

​@@Kuran1986mf i am an end game player but half the weapons in the game is unplayable garbage and like half of the normally ''playable'' ones are not playable in deep archimedea you are not an end game player, you are just a no life loser that has everything useless in the game maxed out if you have no problems with the game mode

[@demonman905]

Now that Chroma has had an augment mod added that really helps keep his Vex Armor up, I would love to see a breakdown of how his Vex Armor stacks up to other damage abilities, including the reworked Eclipse

[@geoffrymcgary]

Just returning after a couple years away, this is so cool xD great explanation

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Got home just in time for this. Heck yeah

[@potatosalad3655]

I got octavia this week as a choice so... Basically just carried She even obliterated the assassination boss lmao Thank god no one uses her so she'll never be nerfed Edit: yes I didn't take the duration modifier 50 vosfor is actually useless when you can get hundreds from just farming void cascade and dissolving arcanes

[@SmoothTurtle840]

So the -75% total duration modifier wasn’t an issue for her kit? I figured it would’ve been.

[@motalux]

​@@SmoothTurtle840 just not turning on that modifier more than solves that issue

[@drkillbrew6387]

Did you just not take the negative duration modifier? I had crap primary/melee, but Baruuk as a frame choices, so I dropped the No Operator modifier, allowing me to gets LOTS of safe revives on teammates that don't know how to build into survivability lol

[@VoidWanderer92]

​​@@motaluxb-but muh 50 vosfor💀

[@kaneasax4923]

​@@drkillbrew6387different person. I also skipped the duration modifier as i was playing hydroid. I had a good selection of weapons to choose from(soma, Grimoire, magistar) all with forma thrown at them

[@R462venom]

You forgot to mention it but you also have your deployable archgun as part of your Loadout too! It's saved me on a couple occasions. Can't be used if the no gear modifier is on though.

[@sonohanabira9703]

Thanks for the vid! I have far better grasp in terms of their challenge and reward pools. Unfortunately, all my friends quit warframe and I just got back from rather long rest. I guess it's a time to call back mates from discord and rank up the sanctum first.

[@1438wei]

7:50 Elite crew members have a trait where killing an enemy heals all nearby allies by 500 over 10 seconds, which includes the defense objective. Not a lot, but it's something. Also, these on call crew members seems to bypass some damage restriction on the enemies, I give them Kuva Zarr, and it hits those Necramechs pretty hard. If the mission didn't restrict your item wheel, they'll make your run easier.

[@lookalike4805]

I don't think there's any Bypassing ... They just Deal more Damage than We Do.... And they Never Reload. 😳

[@grev3471]

Back when we had the event in which we could fight the wolf of saturn six over and over again for free, I gave my crewmate a kuva zarr, flew to his spawn as fast as possible with wukong and just watched as my buddy 2 shot him. When I tried using the same zarr build myself, it just sucked. I farmed a bunch of sets of his hammer.

[@redlord4321]

the issue i take with the dealing with modifier section of the video where you say to use certain frames or weapons to get around them is that the mode limits what you can bring and you really only have one flex spot. this can be a problem when you have multiple bad modifiers like low duration, no operator and limited ammo.

[@themonkeys96]

There's actually a lot that can be done with just that one flex slot. Carrier or scavenger mods are a great tool for the ammo issues. Loss of operator can hurt if you rely on it for your energy econ, but still utilizing the passive energy cost reduction of Zenurik alongside arcane energize, arcane steadfast, energy nexus, archon stretch where applicable, or even the energy regen aura if needed can buy you just enough leeway to make it through. As for duration, that may just be what you burn the flex slot for it you rolled only frames that very much need that stat. And if you're rebuttal is "Well what if I dont have energize or steadfast? What if my build needs X or Y that the modifiers are blocking." Well then... You might not be ready for Deep Archimedia. This is a weird time as it's been commonplace that whatever new version of endgame added with every patch has been doable with a relatively non-optimized, run of the mill build that a lot of long term players just have the items for sitting around. Deep Archimedia is not that. It is supposed to be a challenge. You're suppose to have to work for it. For instance, I rolled Wisp, miter, Dual Furis, and Ruvox the week. My wisp prime is a bit under where it should be, so I couldve absolutely taken the time to put some form in to get her fully prepped. My ruvox isnt even fully evolved and I couldve finished that out. However, I specifically made the point of finally getting the miter incarnation genesis (which was an hour in duviri farming Tasoma), then put a potato and 2 forma into this gun that I hadn't touched since I got it to level 30 and promised myself I'd get around to the incarnon eventually. Even then, it still took 2 or 3 runs to complete. Yes, DA is hard and requires you to work for your build. That's the point.

[@stefanlewis7773]

​@@themonkeys96this is an attempt at hoping you buy plat to get mostly everything you need from DE. Nothing else.

[@themonkeys96]

@@stefanlewis7773 Or it's actual endgame content finally and you're just bad. Warframe has one of the least predatory F2P models on the market, yet you're saying they just randomly abandoned it? Cope.

[@stefanlewis7773]

@@themonkeys96 simps gonna simp I guess. l've had no problem finishing elite archimedia. If you think that making enemies immune or invulnerable and removing your abilities are good game mechanics then you're more stupid than I thought.

[@stefanlewis7773]

@@themonkeys96 "you're just bad at the game" as if warframe requires any skill.🤣 I guess killing braindead AI make you feel good about your "skill." DE is somewhat reasonable with mtx 's because it's necessary, if they choose to be greedy the game will die. They've tried unreasonable monetization like the recent heirloom skin and quickly apologized and stated they would change any others going forward.

[@TheAbhimanj]

Was a good week. Got 2 tau forged + 4 normal shards + 2 crescendos from this weeks deep archimedia + netracells

[@HorrizonLP]

i unlocked that last week and it was super easy. last week i had inaros and furis and jsut ran through it, this week i had only boar as usable weapon, built it up, used a revenant with tharros strike in the flex slot doe to duration decrease and it was super easy again

[@Creamstar14]

After the first week, I've been able to start off with Elite Archimedia the last few weeks. I got a lot of really bad options this week, so I dont know if I really want to do it this week.

[@Creamstar14]

And before anyone asks, yes I've gotten all the rewards just by doing EA

[@CreEpeRneSs125]

Just have a friend carry you lol

[@Slim_Sumo]

I just make deals and run my preferred loadout to carry a group of 3 in exchange for one of them carrying me with full directives back.

[@hearthcipher8120]

You can: -Ignore one equipment requirement because you don't need the 50 vosfors reward at 37 points -Mod for viral, corrosive, cold and puncture (increasing critical damage and survivability) , radiation and blast (cc for non-overguarded enemies) and status duration to support your team or atypical elements for priming murmurs (like gas blast magnetic void and nukor's microwave). -Make your frame a tank with auras that supports your team and use guardian derision (yes I forgot it exists too) and draw fire away from your team -Subsume banshee's silence, which is a must have in defense and assassination. It can block all eximus' abilities, like the draining auras and 3 shields that make them immortal, the homing sparks and ice globes that are annoying af as well as necramechs' abilities -Be shameless and use voidrigs more than your setup -Be even more shameless than me spamming kullervo and build revenant with mesmer shield to make your squad inmortal

[@kaneasax4923]

What options do you have?

[@Joe90h]

I had Rhino, Braton, Brakk and Praedos this week, so opted to skip the abbreviated abilities modifier. He worked really rather well against the boss, despite my somewhat halfbaked build for him.

[@nick30075]

Another damage source worth discussing--your sentinel. Verglas is a reasonable heat-stacker, and adding Fired Up to your sentinel config gives it an extra heat mod. It's enough to whittle down enemies passively, even if your guns are poor, and can make up for bad weapon choices.

[@tokyo8195]

I LOVE THE KENGINEER!!!

[@HorrizonLP]

for the power of friendship part, i was told my clanmates that they patched it and all people have to have the same amount of modifyers equiped, so that you cant get carried anymore

[@mariaaaaa6]

There's actually 4/5 different loadouts that aren't limited by randomization: Companions and possibly companion weapons, and archguns. Some pets get a decent amount of kills, and others can help with survivability or damage. Archguns aren't amazing, but if you have a riven for them and/or a frame who can buff them, they can possibly be better than the randomized gear.

[@potroastmutt7915]

The only downside I have to the alchemy archimedea is the invincible variable. It's tedious to do but even more so solo because the spawns and drops are built around rng, so you'll have what I did when I first tried it solo, where I spent 45 minutes running around trying to bait the game into spawning something I could actually KILL because the enemies remaining were all covered in an aura that I didn't have an amphor for. I shouldn't be watching my watch waiting for the invincible minion to spawn the big huge threat of the map just to have something to kill to MAYBE have a chance at progressing the mission, because otherwise it's a game of chicken where I can't kill them and they can't kill me. Increase the spawns/drops, and I'll have zero issues that I feel need addressing. This is a great game mode otherwise.

[@1124spawn]

best explanation since deep archemedia dropped

[@getthegoons]

I love having to choose between an un-forma'd Nukor, the Shitotron, and a Stug. This is fantastic game design.

[@VetriVade]

Nukor doesn't even need a forma. Thing is cranked

[@711_skiddlz]

Warframe players when the content specifically catered to end game players caters to end game players

[@getthegoons]

@@711_skiddlz my bad I should have invested in MR Fodder weapon #43

[@grev3471]

@@711_skiddlz >endgame mission >crappy weapons I've never bothered to hold on to because they are, well, crappy Ah yes, extremely engaging gameplay design by DE. Hopefully in the next update, the missions themselves are gonna be random as well, you're only gonna know what you have to do once you've loaded in the map.

[@711_skiddlz]

@@grev3471 skill issue get better at the game

[@MFDEN]

Babe wake up new Kengineer video dropped

[@Pekeponzer]

The amount of loot you get from Elite DA is crazy, but completely justified seeing as it's a weekly and the gear check is massive.

[@mr.meanwhile]

My dumb ass didn't know about the little toggle switch about elite archimedea. Thank you for showing that

[@jadenta9477]

My squad crashed while doin the assassination, there was just too much goin on 😭

[@Marin117.]

Doing assassination was hell, thought my xbox was going to explode at some point XD

[@MagikarpMan]

​@@Marin117.Yh that fight is a nightmare on last gen consoles

[@lookalike4805]

Hidden Difficulty Unlocked 👀

[@thiagolimao]

It almost killed my eyes with effects and screen shake

[@bnm975]

0:04 Put your WHAT TO THE TEST?

[@--Animal--]

Arsenal

[@noah11115]

Arse and all

[@MartyOsuna]

Excellent video! Now I have a detailed, well-considered rationale for not touching this game mode with a 10 meter Bo, lol. No shade to Tenno who enjoy the challenge (or maybe suffering?), there's just no amount of loot that could make me want to do this.

[@boltman7000292]

Me and two randos did the elite DA this week (week this came out) fine. Didn’t even have a full group. As long as everyone pulls their weight it’s not that hard. I did all but one of the load put challenges, missing out on that vosfer wasn’t a deal breaker for me.

[@yorsch9577]

we did this run yesterday in our clan. so we head 4 player. ech was fine with leaving behind the last reward (50x arce dust). so we ended with: revenant with burston p. inc., frost with bursten p. inc., a dante and a volt. well.... was a bit easy xD

[@CRWM987]

A week feels too short to invest in a limited selection build, every week. Wish this was almost biweekly. Like this gets me using less used options & makes me want to invest to prepare but it's rough.

[@skylershuman7705]

Everyone has already said it. Just load in with a Revenant Prime or Dante and then follow them around like a puppy while they wipe the missions for you.

[@defiantmars9910]

Okay, now I’m interested in that Tank Loki build. I’ve been putting off doing Cavia ranking, but I’ll get to it as soon as I’m done with Necraloid ranks. Only a few hundred Void traces left to go… Thanks for the info!

[@Blackwing2345635]

Loki is great for tanking, because he has augment for transposition and invisibility. With not maxed duration (only 3 not tau shards for duration) invulnerability is about 12 sec for you and around 24 sec for allies, base cost 25 (IIRC if you will max duration it will cost about 30-35 energy), no cooldown nor limitation on simultaneously being on several characters. Plus you can use augment for 4th to mimic Nyx's chaos. You also can try to cheesy place a decay with augment for back up death save. Plus, because you only need duration and a little bit of efficiency to compensate debuff from mods - you have spare mod slot(s) to put whatever you want else. And Loki's invisibility is not channeled - so say hello to zenurik.

[@redditp2229]

I liked the idea, but DE put the worst thing possible to turn this mission into hell, it doesnt matter if you spend 50 forma, a plat for rivens, reactors in some weapons "game:pick this weapon or no reward😐 " bro wtf, am I gonna spend time on my stuff to endgame, when the game can radomize me to use gorgon or viper

[@Ace_2O2]

I have a very limited amount of weapons and warframes, so no matter what, I can always use something good. The only difficulty are the debuffs you can get.

[@PraetorGix]

I don't have any friends and still manage to do every week of elite deep with random PUGs. A couple failed attempts are still less work than socializing with someone for weeks and convincing them to start playing WF! I'm sure Ken would agree after he runs the numbers...

[@adummy9664]

I'm just waiting for the randomized enforced loadouts to highlight how 2/3rds of the weapons are nigh unusable in high level content while the other 1/3rd completely trivializes it.

[@lookalike4805]

It didn't happen for The Circuit... And it Damn Sure ain't Happening Here.... Gotta Improve those Builds, Tenno.

[@asdf30111]

@@lookalike4805 Circuit you can force rotate the loadouts it gives you or wait it out, you can't for this. I am not a huge fan given it costs paid resource to be able to own more items at once.

[@adummy9664]

@@lookalike4805 Circuit has decrees that will more than make up for weapon deficits and make it easy to go lvl 2000+ without even feeling it because your weapons deal an extra 500% damage. Deep Archimedia has -75% Duration to go "lol screw your duration based frames that you have to pick, have fun playing Hydroid."

[@ShadeAKAhayate]

@@adummy9664 That's not 500%, It's more like 200% x 300% x 150% and times other multipliers you can acquire. That's way -- like, _WAY_ more than 500. Meaning you can complete the Circuit with literally any weapon, if you get a decent build for it fast enough not to be wiped.

[@adummy9664]

@@ShadeAKAhayate I was making a generic example but yes that's exactly what I was talking about.

[@onestormgx8948]

Easy ealite guide TLDR: do it 4 times, with 3 players carrying, ignoring loadout restriction, and one of them decked in full worthless gear. Bonus points if one of the carries runs a frame to make everyone else immortal and the other 2 going damage-buff. It really doesnt get easier than that.

[@potatoking5602]

Honestly idek why i watched the whole vid cause i've already did 3 max reward runs, guud vid Also: If the mission didn't disable equipment ABUSE on-call crew from railjack, they can bring any unrestricted gun

[@MoronicCrab]

i barely farmed archon shards before taking a break from warframe. i come back and see all of T H I S. reminder to never take a break right before mass story progression and updates

[@senpafl4405]

Abbreviated Abilities is just such a brutal modifier, I hope that I get at least one somewhat decent weapon, so that I can turn it off...

[@kaws6231]

Something you didnt mention at the start: The selection of Warframes and Weapons you're given will *always* contain one you own for every category, and always in the first column of choices. (Tested on an Mr0 account on release.)

[@TheKengineer]

I didn't mention it because I've had reports to the contrary.

[@Joe90h]

You tested an MR0 account's selection in Deep Archimedea, content that requires you to have maxed out the Cavia's rank which is content after New War? You're going to have to walk me through that one.

[@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake]

​@@Joe90hjust don't rank up I suppose. Doesn't feel very practical for any reason though, so I can't see that being done.

[@hexerin]

@@TheKengineer I'll add my voice to those who can confirm that there absolutely isn't any kind of protection(s) in place. I have no idea where that rumor started, but it's absolutely false. You can absolutely get a choice between three things you don't own, which makes it impossible to get full research that week unless you go out and grind one of the equipment you're missing from those three options.

[@lookalike4805]

@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake I don't think that's Possible.... I'm almost Certain Defeating Vay Hek is either a Junction Requirement or a Main Quest Requirement.... And that node is MR Locked. The only way around it is for Accounts that Cleared it before The Locks were put in place (your Account would need to be atleast 6 Years Old)

[@findmi2708]

This late but, congratulations for 100k subs

[@deuterium2718]

the mode where you subsume decoy on a new frame every week

[@mightymushroom4980]

Don't even need Decoy, EA is super easy

[@deuterium2718]

cool

[@wtfman2049]

for me it is gloom for the defense

[@NinjaSyao]

@@wtfman2049 Until you get Overguard modifier and then Gloom becomes useless. Decoy has the highest target priority in the game, even higher than defense targets, that's why its useful for this stuff.

[@ShwreckedSensei]

Why decoy?

[@OggerFN]

You can also cheese this with a single friend. One person takes a damage buff frame with optimal weapons and modifiers off while the other guy has all modifiers on and uses revenant with the mesmer skin augment for squad survivability. You only miss out on 50 phosphor that way.

[@adamin97]

If kitgun is there than it's all secondary kitguns or just 3 showed?

[@TheKengineer]

All of them, any configuration

[@adamin97]

Awesome! Thank You for info!

[@peteh3313]

Great video, really well explained. Unfortunately after watching this I have zero incentive to actually play Deep Archimedia - it seems like a misstep by DE that excludes the everyday player who is there for some fun, as opposed to those that have active clans, time to grind up equipment and actually grind this mode. It just sounds terrible for the game as alienates the general playerbase. Duviri at least seems more inclined to include all players.

[@Deceit-hx7ey]

Don't take it the wrong way, but there already is gazillion things to do just for fun, while i understand your POV, it is crucial to also understand those players who want more difficulty/challenge and rewards.

[@MagikarpMan]

No way your complaining that an endgame game mode is for endgame players

[@beegyoshi1685]

​@MagikarpMan but your everyday player is most likely an endgame player if they have deep archimedea available to them, they just do not live for the sole purpose of playing warframe.

[@MagikarpMan]

​@@beegyoshi1685you don't need to live for the sole purpose of playing Warframe to do deep arch media, if Ur an endgame player you have many weapons and many frames so eda should be no problem even for casual players. I'm a casual player and i do it just fine

[@711_skiddlz]

Just play the other 99% of the game ffs. You don't NEED to be able to face roll every piece of content in the game.

[@sunova22]

BIG BIG thanks to every tenno out there that carry public lobby. Most of the time i slap gloom to frame of the week that i did not build to help slowing enemies.

[@ElielZio]

Can you make a hound guide? And which mods are best for them?

[@CrashSable]

As someone who doesn't want to deal with "friends", I'm just approaching Deep Archimedea as a maybe each week. If it looks like I can have a good run, I'll do it, otherwise I'll just do 5 Netracells. The only advantages of doing Deep Archimedea are that it will be faster to get a full ranked Crescendo and Duplicate and extra Archon Shards. For the first, I don't really care, I'll get them eventually. For the second, now that we can FINALLY combine shards into Tauforged (should have been in the game from the start, despite Ken's other video), I'm at the point where I don't even need the shards anymore and I'm just building up stockpiles for frames that I might eventually get to investing in.

[@bahamut256]

Tough challenge, aka bring the Laetum modded for radiation and solo it.

[@Wooskii1]

I enjoy the challenge, it's the first new mission type that's actually challenged me since breaking into Steel Path (without weapon arcanes). I don't like the load out restrictions, but I get it, we would trivialize it without. Hopefully DE can figure something out because I feel there are more old, outdated, low damage, weapons with ammo and other usability issues than there are good lvl 500 viable weapons (especially without rivens) so I can see getting stuck with nothing happening more often than not. I think DE saw this issue and built-in two workarounds; 1- forgo trash Vosfor reward, and 2- the tried and true Warframe leaching method. I don't like encouraging the second, it feels like, why even bother having the individual challenges if the meta is going to be run the mission twice while getting carried through one, and ignoring the modifiers completely on the other. Still, it's way better than doing Archon Hunts, just waiting for a health bar to go down (especially after they hampered the fun "game" of trying to get the one-shot). De will probably nerf the difficulty in some way (maybe increase rewards?) within a few months if history is anything to go by, but I'll still hold onto hope for a big rework.

[@kaneasax4923]

Here's the thing about that one thing you can bring and sacraficing the vosfor reward. You can always mod your warframe to be able to handle this. So you can pick a primary or secondary to always be able to kill stuff. And since you always have 1 piece of gear that you own in each category, you can create an interesting synergy. My first deep archimidea i wanted to solo to get elite. My best options were excal and nidus, and i had laetum. I normally resorted to my operator to regen health, but i didnt have that option, so i used to mod that no one thought of, Life Strike

[@ladykryo4592]

Deep Archimedea is just arbitrary challenge: the gamemode

[@LordVashAble]

I know my gear is not up to the challenge of Deep Archimedea, I play Warframe not min-max everything I do but to find ways of making myself giggle.

[@Sasha-jo4tw]

hmmmm maybe its time to grind that cavia standing then

[@andreusemanuel4868]

Im glad people who wanted to play more difficult content got something. For me, DA sounds an awful lot like work, and i play warframe to get away from work.

[@TheMasterplanter]

DE really went all in tailoring to hardcore endgame players with this. I can tell because I feel alone in enjoying the random arsenal and the damage puzzles it presents and always go solo. Week 1 took 8 attempts and I loved every second of the challenge.

[@mightymushroom4980]

Meanwhile the "endgame" part of the game is stupidly easy, it should have been level 800-1000 enemies for elite, make it proper endgame, I put together a really bad build this week and beat EA with no struggles

[@SmoothTurtle840]

@@mightymushroom4980There’s really not much of a difference between lvl 300-400 and lvl 800-1,000 enemies aside from almost requiring armor strip methods for the latter. That doesn’t make it more difficult, it just makes it so you have to put two emerald shards on every frame you choose for it.

[@hachikuji_mayoi]

@@SmoothTurtle840 More like their survivability barely changes but you're forced to shieldgating on nearly all frames (not very fun). I think the levels are fine rn.

[@joaogoncalves5357]

@@mightymushroom4980 And people are still finding a way to bitch. Like... you can forgo one of the limitations, just bring Revenant subsumed with something useful and half the problem is already removed, if you're REALLY unlucky and have no usable weapon too, just bring Octavia subsumed with something useful. I swear half of the playerbase wants to run 1 frame, and 3 weapons for the entire game, in A LOOTER shooter inspired game.

[@HARDHITTER3707]

You know i would actually try to build every weapon and make it the best it can be for this but im always low on forma lol

[@youraveragechroma2139]

Elite DA is a hell of an ass kick but also really does kick ass. I found some work-arounds to some restrictions though. Running straight to extraction quickly can outrun the duviri health suckers permanently in exterminate. (Haven’t tried survival.) Activating the Necramech right before switching defense targets in mirror defense will count the kill even though it’s the mission clear that does the work.

[@geosurf9064]

Every time I've tried to played this mode I've asked myself why am I even doing this I should just go play dead cells or any roguelike that actually properly does randomization. This and duviri just feels so out of place and poorly implemented for me. I'm glad they are trying something new but I hope they don't continue down this path going forward. They already had good challenging endgame mode in the past they just refused to fix the bugs or add to it.

[@caiusscipio6390]

“I can’t plat my way to a social life!!!” - TheKengineer 2024 😂

[@jh9794]

I personally tend to only do enough to get the last legendary reward. Mostly when im using nova because 75% loss in duration is absolutely unacceptable for survival.

[@ivixr427]

Can you get the same rewards doing it again?

[@635574]

So 262+52+52=366 archon shards a year. Thats pretty good. But maybe they shouldnt just add archin shards to every new update or they will become as common as mods. Value comes from both useflness and rarity. We are in a very diffetent situation to year ago where fusing 3 and then again 2 would be a waste of 3 entire weeks of shards. Now we get more than 1 per day

[@SolymribnWaliBarad]

What value? They're untradable.

[@635574]

@@SolymribnWaliBarad im talking trade value, just the perceived value of shards compared to how much we can get. If de were to keep increasing the ways to get them even faster they will be so common we cant even call this an "endgame" reward anymore.

[@bekfistwolf8248]

Why can't DE just quit shoving artifical difficulty at us, and in the worst way they possibly can, I'd rather it be tanky enemies than making me play an entire loadout I enjoy nothing about

[@lookalike4805]

Some people like using the *Aklato* ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@gamingmudkip5030]

As a player who only has 3 warframes that could probably haddle deep archimedea makes me relize I need to start building other frames

[@user-pj8sg2jt4j]

Well, about challenge. Problem is, if you don't get any good frames and weapons and there is one of 3 debuffs present (75% less duration/2 Manadrain per second per enemy/75% less efficiency). The only playable warframe option is inaros. And you have no way to deal damage, since your weapons are all trash. So you are stuck unless somebody can carry. Yes i know specters are pretty good. But if those are locked, operator won't be enough to carry you.

[@lookalike4805]

Build Issue 🤔

[@MagikarpMan]

Skill issue

[@SirKrisofGames]

Being given a good frame, but no ability duration for the things that make that frame good is fantastic. Being given a single useful gun but 75% less ammo returns from drops is fantastic. Being given a good melee, but losing energy every second you're close to an enemy is fantastic. Being presented with all of these options simultaneously is fantastic. This game mode is fantastic.

[@jag1460]

This some anime level of the Power of Friendship. 😂

[@th3rush]

So far really enjoying this content. I have put more forma into weapons so they are usable, tweaked builds and it's actually a challenge! Also pretty sure I've earnt more tau shards in a few weeks than from archons!! Really great game mode😊 Just need more friends 😂😂😂

[@jeremiahjohnson2784]

rework the rng rolls into duviri resets. having to wait for a better equip roll is killing it

[@Voldrim359]

Man, the duration is though... And even it gave me to use Voruna and Baruuk, still, these enemies seems to ignore the shieldgate and hit me with everything

[@Joe90h]

I think it's a little overtuned. I tweaked a build around it and quickly found out the 75% is multiplicative...

[@leachblah6313]

So gold vs purple. Is it even worth to go to purple? Because if gold is enough then I can exclude two restrictions. Also if you exclude all restriction, you can run 2nd time with restrictions on? That's cool. I mean I can recruit with my full support loadout and asking them to run support for me again after first run.

[@MagikarpMan]

Yes it's absolutely worth to go purple, the only thing U should skip is the 50 vosfor

[@leachblah6313]

@@MagikarpMan thanks for answering

[@preston_s.]

I don't feel much incentive to do Deep Archimedea. Sure, you can get more rewards at once than you can in Netracells, but they're all the same types of rewards, and I'm in no hurry to farm them.

[@jamesogeto3061]

I never did kahl missions so I need a lot of shards for my arsenal so gotta do them but they're not so hard do then normal archimedia it's not so hard

[@Valseil]

This week i got lucky, its volt and tenet diplos. I finally got the eye decoration

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

I tried to get a proper squad together but yeah struggled finding people with both my clan and with Discord, so I just run in public squads. Quite a bit of gamble whether I get really good or really bad squads. Last time I ended up in a squad with a French, Russian and Turkish person... None of them could speak English and none of them could understand eachother and they kept talking ik chat in their own fucking language

[@HDCybersun]

amazing

[@linkkris]

Did max challenges with a good random group last night finished every mission and got the worst rewards and only one shard. Last week did only half the challenges and got three shards. The last reward tier isn't even worth it imo.

[@RohrPrime]

I lost my mind when I saw 75% reduced ability duration....like wtf?? Strip us naked and makes us play that mode

[@Darthmufin]

I really hope DE doesn't nerf specters being able to be used, i mean they already made those leech guys steal their health so maybe that's all they will do. People rarely seem to use specters so having a mission where they absolutely can come in handy for objective reasons (like the ancient healer for DR or shield osprey for shield buffs) is a good thing.

[@Leviathis_Krade]

some of the missions/modifiers for EDA aren't fun at all. some are, I hope DE can keep the difficulty, but also adjust the RNG to not be too random for the selected parameters for weapons. mirror defense's Eximus summoning point needs to be moved further away on the second defense point, too close for comfort imo even in light of "mission difficulty" expecting a multiplayer focused game's hard-mode/endgame to cater towards solo play is insanity, of course (not saying that doing an EDA is impossible solo; it is just very clinical in precision required from the player)

[@Matuse]

Only slightly challenging but incredibly more frustrating, and barely better rewards than doing a regular Netracell. Archimedea is a huge failure to me. I did it two weeks ago, and the Alchemy portion of the triple mission took 53 minutes because the game would go 3-4 minutes between dropping an amphore, and each amphore only raised the mix percentage by about 5%. It was pure, agonizing frustration.

[@lookalike4805]

Obviously you weren't Ready for it. 👀

[@wtfman2049]

its way better rewards than netracells

[@Matuse]

@@lookalike4805 Obviously you didn't read a word I wrote. Which is typical.

[@Matuse]

@@wtfman2049 An arcane I don't care about? Entrati Lanthorns I already have over 200 of? Slightly better chance at an archon shard? Where is this "way better" reward?

[@josequiles7430]

​@@Matuseyou get three more chances at getting at archon shard. That's like doing 3 extra Netracells every week, or even better than that since the percentages for tauforged shards are higher

[@DogeZzzz]

This mode reminds me a LOT of the Deep Dive mode of Deep Rock Galactic Anyways Dwarf Warframe when?

[@turncoat8827]

Rock and Stone.

[@lastoflancas]

12:49 - Lol, so true. 😂

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Damn Ken, naming your K-Drive Useless?

[@miel307]

It is true though

[@Near2Future]

could anyone help me with this? It's really hard to carry randoms sometimes. Even with the best setup.

[@MatiMuffin]

biggest mystery to me is how anyone can play this without the damage numbers