Deep Intel on Trump's Mexico War Plan

[@billmartin1010]

The Cartel problem is.a government corruption problem. On both sides of the border. And that's a factor that makes doing something much more dangerous for the people trying to clean it up.

[@LackofFaithify]

Uh, huh, uh huh, now think reeeeeel hard: what is the cause of all the money that makes the corruption possible?

[@WhitehouseProds]

US consumer demand……

[@alexserrano5367]

@@LackofFaithifykind of agree , unfortunately the US are involved in the worst ways . It’s always the CIA . Anybody who messes with the CIA ends up gone .

[@freeno6alias692]

as he said in Apocalypse Now "Absolutely goddamn right"

[@covertops19Z]

I made my own deduction awhile back, that ISIS/Al-Aqaeda and the Cartels have allied up together. How many have you watched the latest Shawn Ryan - Sam Shoemate enterview. I highly recommend it.

[@EanMcClane]

Thanks!

[@islanderATP]

As long as there ia demand for cartel exports(drugs, people) , paid in USD, Euro, Pound, they will always be in business. The demand is always the elephant in the room.

[@chilloutdude3617]

So why bother trying right?? lol I think we learned by now that full decriminalization doesn't work... *cough* portland...So what's your idea?

[@hippiebits2071]

The demand we see right now is in part due to the ease of accessibility. Long term improvements can be made by limiting the ease at which the cartels are able to conduct business.

[@pk4459]

@@chilloutdude3617 Welcome to our Idiocracy. It's either full decriminalization or invade Mexico.

[@charlesparr1611]

@@chilloutdude3617 First, nobody has ever done full decriminalization. Second, decriminalization works, in the sense that fewer people become addicted, more people access treatment and stop using drugs, and yes, it is time to stop trying the thing that HAS NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE ANYTIME.

[@mrfarenheit9159]

Yup, and San Francisco, doing drugs on the street…it’s all OK

[@dg1019]

Cartels are replaced by Cartels. Have we not learned anything with the "war on drugs" yet? As long as the demand is there someone will be the supplier.

[@Shadow__133]

Indeed, this is all smoke and mirrors. But they know that.

[@spins321]

Legalize, regulate, and tax. Like @Shadow_133 said, they all know that.

[@erickalvarez9958]

It's good to see some one else that gets it

[@squidwardo7074]

It's simple, legalize drugs and the cartels are gone.

[@timpetta2974]

How long has the so-called War on Drugs been going on? Probably 30+ years. No positive results. The supply grows because of demand. Squash demand and the supply goes elsewhere. Not sure how demand is decreased though.

[@DirkusTurkess]

The difference is it's on your actual border, a forever war with your neighbour is a lot different than a forever war in the Sandbox.

[@thane1448]

Didn't have FLIR when we were in Vietnam. Thats a difference. Or drones, or drones with FLIR.

[@victorbernard1256]

@@DirkusTurkess Who’s talking about a forever war? Who’s even talking about war with Mexico. The proposal is to go after the cartels. That’s entirely reasonable. Why would we allow them to operate in the USA with impunity? Is the US military supposed to be afraid of Mexican cartels? We had an open border for about 3 years which caused this problem. Now the boarder will be shut down. Time to force Mexico to cooperate and go after the cartels. That’s what a real leader does. Unlike Joe who just told us it’s all fine don’t worry. But in Joe’s defense he didn’t and doesn’t have a clue to what’s going on.

[@LunaticTheCat]

Exactly. Invading Mexico would be a disaster.

[@sometoastxd]

​@@thane1448 We did towards the end in the middle east. It's still hellish.

[@phillamoore157]

These guys sound like scared, incompetent morons. Mexico is ALREADY at war with us, hence this problem, and they refuse to solve this cartel issue, because they’re up to their necks in it. When did America turn into the p-sides of the civilized world? And, both are ex-military trying to make money off of their careers as self-proclaimed bad-@sses. Then when it comes time to protect their own backyard, the start spitting out their pronouns. It’s beyond demoralizing to see the number of ex-military (and special forces at that) who’ve come back to the U.S. to launch businesses off the back of their service, who are gutless, or corrupt.

[@SpaceB0nz]

The main difference between the middle east operations and the hypothetical one in Mexico is that the average cartel member is not bonded to the cause by religion. That creates an entirely different level of fervor. The average cartel member could more easily be pried away from the movement and less likely to die for the cause.

[@cle_roknn3742]

I think that idea is a bit shortsighted. Most cartel's are integrated into the government, families and social aspects of daily life. The cartel provides jobs, buys off politicians/judges and owns the local police. Do you really think that they will turn on their own family or endanger their lives to cut ties with the local threat based on some foreign country coming in and trying to play Rambo? These people have lived with and around the cartel's for decades, you think they will just drop that on a dime? It took years, untold millions of dollars, and massive human resources to find and kill Escobar, this will be no different. Your going to be fighting in their back yards, no matter who or what you send your in for a bigger fight than most people think...

[@bayknight20]

I doubt they are willing to trade in their villas for tunnels and caves also

[@Khronogi]

​@@cle_roknn3742sounds like religion to me lol.

[@marcusjames1326]

@@cle_roknn3742 nobody dies more for a cause than religious fanatics. For Cartels the only religion is the green religion. Neither goes easy of course

[@d-rot]

They're gangs. It's tribal. You're deluding yourself if you think it's as easy as you think it is.

[@mostlynothing8130]

I want to know how many former western ex-SOF soldier have taken jobs for drugs cartels. I've read about British SAS members running into former SAS members working "security" in South America.

[@jfb.8746]

There was also in the 80s, iirc, a former Israeli commando working for Escobar or another cartel.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Not much different than working for Blackwater.

[@JoeyJoJoJr0]

lol We've had ACTIVE military caught human/drug trafficking.

[@deterrumeversor8680]

As many as are working for the cartels, most are there for the large and easy paychecks, the majority of these tier 1 operators will simply melt away into the population as soon as Delta/SpecOps move en-mass against the cartels.

[@jasonpeacock9735]

At least one whole cartel in Mexico is former Mexican special ops guys that realized how much money could be made on the other side.

[@PilotMikeR]

“Hybrid” wars is what gets you 20 yr conflicts. You have to come down on the enemy like a ton of bricks, otherwise, stay home.

[@veneziablau]

20 year conflicts are good for a certain sector of stock valuations

[@appaloosa42]

Keep the politicians and demonstrators out of it. Or on the front line!

[@phraker5709]

If you come down on the enemy like a ton of bricks, it will cost you eye watering amounts of money that will never be approved. You cant fight an asymmetric enemy like a ton of bricks... Only a conventional conflict can be fought like that. An insurgency or cartel will run and hide, wasting your time and money until you become demotivated. Then you either withdraw or they defeat you. This is what happened in Afghanistan. This is what happened to Assad in Syria.

[@jerryoftheriver]

Yup - if only Americans admitted back in the 80s and 90s caused the current state of today, normalizing illegal workers. Too many good people going to get caught up in storms caused by corrupt business owners across all 50 states. If only enforcement started in the 80s and 90s instead of letting it happen. Now good people will suffer from the actions of the greedy criminals.

[@mrvwbug4423]

So systematically glassing millions of Mexican civilians who are more terrorized by these cartels than anyone else?

[@gregbarnes1580]

Don’t trust Crenshaw nor Lindsey

[@curtbowers7817]

Yes exactly

[@trjnsd6874]

Rush Limbaugh nicknamed Graham "Lindsey Gramnesty".

[@01234567897298]

Trump's supporters some say.

[@gregparrott]

The Mexican government would be more amenable to work with the U.S. government if we at least made a REAL effort to reduce the arms sales reaching the cartels

[@emilianogv2978]

We want that kind of cooperación, the problem is that the USA concepto of cooperación of fullfilling our country with inteligence agents that do nobody knows, and buying tons of militar equipment to initiate a war with our own people

[@daniels0376]

​@@emilianogv2978The US government wants all Latin American countries to be s**tholes because they want desperate Latinos flooding in by the millions to provide dirt cheap labour to the private sector, while at the same time being used as scapegoats by the US govnmt and private sector for all of their corruption and greed and incompetence. It's by design. The US created the cartel problems and they want it to remain like this.

[@gaugeray7462]

Their government is infested with the cartels. You can't run for office unless they own you. 40% of Mexico is under narco terrorist control.

[@TouringWolf42]

The ironic part is that Cartels rarely use Mexican made weapons. They use more American weapons that the US government smuggles to them. So if anything, maybe the US should clamp down on the CIA's black operations.

[@kkandola9072]

@@emilianogv2978 I understand why a foreign nation on your land would make you uncomfortable but how else do you expect them to operate ? Do you think the American government can trust that the Mexican government won’t be compromised? Last time we trained the Mexican special forces , they formed their own cartel instead of fighting for the government. There is no easy solution unfortunately.

[@brockvegas9571]

For some reason... addressing America's insatiable appetite for the cartel's products is NEVER an option.

[@Xelastic]

It's a financial black hole, much easier to go after production...

[@brianpeck4035]

Just what would you suggest?

[@rmf9567]

It doesn't matter about the product because if they truly want to slow it down they can make it happen. Haven't you learned yet that the Middle East was never meant to succeed and Colombia was also meant to fail. If our government truly wants to put a dent in this slow it down they can absolutely do it

[@paladro]

@@brianpeck4035 legalization or at a minimum decriminalization, i suspect the people who profit off of police state budgets infinitely increasing with every boogeyman won't allow it.

[@TheRayDog]

Dems want to legalize all drugs. Talk about not addressing. Instead increase the demand.

[@MonkeyEmpires]

Ignoring cartel activity is not a solution either.

[@rmmx77]

That's Mexicos problem not ours. All this Will do is create more illegal immigration when Mexicans start migrating en mass back to the US to avoid being caught in the cross fire and the people left behind is just going to create resentment towards the US.

[@aoeuuaoaou]

Stuff your false dichotomy.

[@digitalperson108]

It’s not being ignored

[@zalandarr]

like ppl never stop to think why is the cartel in buisness its prob the terribly ran american healthcare system to the level where vietnam vets prob were big buyers.

[@Demane69]

@@digitalperson108 Name the major improvements and wins that have dramatically lessened the impact of cartels in the last 4 years. It's worse now than it's ever been.

[@johandelen1838]

Special Military Operation- now why does that sound so familiar?

[@danielbeshers1689]

The troops will be home by Christmas, I swear.

[@spvillano]

Oh, Poland, France, Ukraine?

[@ubub932]

@@danielbeshers1689 like Trump's oath to protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . . ?? 👀 hint: the president-elect *is* the enemy . . .

[@SkeezyFPV]

Three days to Mexico City 😅

[@kevinshoemaker5466]

You could see how Afghanistan was lost with GB on an airrcraft carrier declaring victory

[@unluckycharms9017]

You can’t fight the cartel while working with the Mexican government, at least you certainly can’t share much intel or tell them what targets your hitting and when.

[@JeffBilkins]

It could get interesting if the US would find material against members of the Mexican government, or the police, military or judicial system. The way cartel corruption works it is pretty likely and could be a mess.

[@taxirob2248]

@@JeffBilkins it won't help when so many Mexican families rely on income from a cartel member in their house. Improving the material conditions on all Mexicans is the only way to get rid of corruption, otherwise the cartels are just another American problem.

[@emilianogv2978]

​@@JeffBilkinsthey only find false acusations and intentioned investigations against leftist goverments, the right wong govs that work with cartels and are Vassals to american agencies they have nothing to Say.

[@hifinsword]

We've had a war on drugs for decades now. It's focused on the supply side, but not the demand side. Without factoring the demand side into the drug problem, you will not win this war!

[@Bowie_knife_713]

The war was on the supply side in the u.s.... Not the supply side across the border.

[@hifinsword]

@@Bowie_knife_713 The supply side on both sides of the border are basically one in the same! Illegal drugs from outside the U.S. are 82% of the total supply.

[@SteveGillow]

It's been pointed out again and again that illegal immigration is not the vector for drug smuggling. Americans crossing legally from Mexico to the US is the vector and/or shipping containers with minimal scrutiny

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

Two different problems, both of which need solving.

[@OldMusicFan83]

The Cartel’s have a presence in every major US city.

[@josephgriffin2388]

THAT'S EVEN WORSE!! THAT'S HUMAN TRAFFIKING!!

[@davidg2731]

There's not near enough people to inspect all the containers and trucks coming into this country which is where the drugs are coming in!

[@petermelville5524]

cowboys want a gunfight

[@justin4911]

I hope this doesn't interfere with the war efforts in Canada and Denmark.

[@jonbowden5207]

Why do you hope this? What consequences of said interference worries you?

[@oarsteed]

@@jonbowden5207Woosh.

[@oarsteed]

@@jonbowden5207Woosh.

[@LackofFaithify]

NATO be damned, we must have the melting glaciers! And how dare you forget our Canal!

[@richardbradley1532]

@@jonbowden5207 🤣😂 🤡

[@End_of_Lvl_Guardian]

You said the Mexican security forces can handle the Cartels? Our test revealed that was a lie!

[@victorbernard1256]

@@End_of_Lvl_Guardian Their security forces are working for the cartels

[@T1000_2]

I lost it when he said that! History says otherwise. Let’s say that was true (which it isn’t) please explain why they haven’t done so?

[@jamricsloe]

Over confidence and or just being wrong isn’t lying.

[@sensorycircuits1338]

Whenever I'm in Mexico I only buy from the cops. They always throw out the bunk stuff and save top shelf for sale to tourists. Only an amateur buys from the concierge.

[@dukecraig2402]

​@@sensorycircuits1338 If you're just joking that's hysterical. If you're serious that's absolutely hysterical.

[@VICTORGUTIERREZ-bx4sl]

The United States is not really worried about the cartels, it is worried about the position of Mexico with China/Russia/ and nations like Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua, and the geostrategic position of Mexico being next to the USA😮

[@cap-6]

US is interested in having another political talking point to distract us from addressing fundamental economic and social issues that are not as profitable as the cash cow of more military spending and enriching the fat cats on Wall Street. I fear we'll only make more enemies at our border -greater enemies from those families and children who were killed and that will translate to a level of terrorism we've thus far rarely seen in this country. That foreign policy of militarization will come home to roost in the US, an excuse for militarization of our streets, surveillance, and people will then gladly pay more taxes to fund the same people that appear to be heading us into another forever war.

[@ogha7441]

Mexico also has lithium and not the best history with the usa

[@RR-bt5xv]

blaming mexico for fentanyl use in the usa is like blaming McDonalds for obesity

[@Formoren]

The listed examples are contributing factors to their associated problem. Can you explain your view please?

[@RosoneandWatson]

It sounds like you just want to protect the cartels and only focus on rehabilitation instead of trying to cut off the source.

[@jerryjonas8178]

@@RosoneandWatson Americans are the source - they bring fentanyl across as mules

[@ogha7441]

@@RosoneandWatson Pharma already hooked people on the normalization of these drugs not the cartels. Its simple supply and demand and the demand is in the usa. Just like there was a demand for alcohol in the usa back in the day it was smuggled by mexican organizations. So fighting the cartels makes no sense when they exist all over the world.

[@ogha7441]

@@RosoneandWatson Pharm@ got people hooked on the normalization of these drugs not the cartels. It's simple supple/demand and the demand is in the usa. Just like the demand for alcohol back in the day the mexican organizations were smuggling it to the usa. So fighting cartels makes no sense when they exist all over the world even in the usa.

[@abricio]

Great episode. Tough to watch for me personally. A point that is left out of the conversation, not intentionally I'm sure, is that the cartels are heavily armed with weapons that come mostly from the US into MX. Another step in the right direction would be to put pressure on the gun trafficking. Like Mr. Maurer says; we can handle the cartels. We'd love more cooperation and assistance, and a great place to start is with the inflow of illegal weapons into my country.

[@ubub932]

great? hardly. except for the fact that it brings attention to the problem, it's moronic. naive. simplistic. unsophisticated. and entirely wrong.

[@mattkase6644]

Sure, a number of the handguns and light rifles in cartel hands were legally purchased in the US by straw buyers on the cartel payroll, and smuggled into Mexico. But no one is walking into a gun store in Texas and buying a belt-fed crew-served full-auto, a MANPAD, mortar rounds, claymores, APCs, attack helicopters, etc. etc. No, these are purchased from the US by the Mexican Government via legitimate military sales channels, and are then transferred into cartel hands by the myriad of corrupt Mexican officials. I'm sorry sir, but the problem is on *your* side of the border.

[@j_taylor]

Yes, it's central that these cartels are armed with US weapons. Trump's audience is those people in the US who will literally fight for uncontrolled gun ownership. He has no reason to address this topic. I have Mexican friends and coworkers and see the same good people on both sides of our border. I'm sorry that our countries have this conflict.

[@petrairene]

Weapons smuggled in from the USA are not only a problem in Mexico. The armed gangs terrorising Haiti would also not be possible without the US sources supplying them with firearms.

[@LackofFaithify]

@@petrairene LOL, we don't just export the weapons, we export the entire gang! (eg MS-13)

[@ramal5708]

The Sicario 3 movie is going to be fire

[@tonyincs]

nice

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

This is basically the plot for Sicario two lol

[@Mexican01o101]

Yeah like they show the Mexicans are incompetent and act like the storm troopers but in reality it won’t be like that

[@hollywoodlibertarian]

Such a great movie

[@01234567897298]

Just like hollywood it is right now.

[@Throwaway208]

Our SOF forces, even at JSOC, are not infallible. They are still humans at the end of the day. We had SOF dudes getting mowed down by illiterate farmers with DShKs and AKs every single year for 20+ years in the middle east. The Cartel are extremely well funded and they're trained and equipped to a relatively high level. This would not be a walk in the park for the command. This would be an absolute bloodbath that would damage US/Mexican relations beyond any form of repair. This is absolutely a problem that needs to be solved diplomatically. Maybe we could also divert even just 1% of the proposed funding for an invasion into another sovereign nation towards harm reduction, mental heath care, and substance abuse care for our fellow Americans. Or do we only care about them after they're dead and can be used as a convenient talking point? Just the thoughts of a retired AFSOC aircrew guy

[@tlevans62]

Totally agree with you. I'm former SF from an Allied nation who've worked with US SF and SOF for many years, and it's well known that the US SF trained a lot of these cartel enforcers when they were in the Mexican Military, before they switched sides. These guys have high tech equipment, including electronic warfare systems, cell phone and radio jammers, drones, and loads of guns. They know our tactics, and they will be very tough customers to deal with. This won't be a cake walk, and all it will do is unite the different factions against our guys. If any Operator gets captured, he will meet a horrific end. The other thing is that they have numbers, far more than an ODA can deal with, along with the support of the communities where they help lift them out of poverty, and the fear of locals who cooperate with the US, and know the punishment from the cartels. I don't think this will do anything to stop the flow of drugs into the US. It will be another bloodbath without end.

[@bgraham1958]

Hi Ward. You may have mentioned it elsewhere, but it is worth noting that Jimmy Carter was not just a peanut farmer. He was the first and only president to have graduated from the Naval Academy.

[@saltysquatch1510]

A dumb peanut farmer

[@raevj]

Didn’t help him much..

[@larrycox7169]

Well that explains some things.

[@MattyJ55046]

Poverty is the driving point for most of America’s problems from domestic gangs to cartel violence. The sooner we realize that and find a way to comb it the easier this all will be.

[@georgeburns7251]

Ha ha, Americans will be saying, make America great again, like 2024. Poverty is on the plate for Americans. The shift from middle class for the many to the oligarchs of the few will be startling.

[@islandtime5643]

Billionaires bought the government for the purpose of making themselves richer and increasing the misery of economic inequality for Americans.

[@taxirob2248]

same problem prevents decisive and permanent action in Mexico.

[@ampatriotsmith9545]

To get out of poverty in Anlmeruca is to work hard and get educated, not by handouts

[@ampatriotsmith9545]

DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM.MEXICO

[@BlaQBetty2018]

Well, I for one, am supremely confident that the guy who stared into the sun (twice), has carefully, and with great pause thought about all of the potential consequences of this proposed action.

[@JustBecause7754]

We also have an obligation to control weapons and money crossing into Mexico.

[@fredbyoutubing]

Right, cartel weapons are smuggled in Mexico from the US.

[@murn20091]

The USA has the same obligation to control weapons and money crossing into CANADA.

[@AirShark95]

@@murn20091 USA is a security risk for both Canada and Mexico. The cartels and gangs aren't getting their arsenals from domestic sources, but from illegal smuggling from the US.

[@mattkase6644]

​@@AirShark95Incorrect. The cartels do obtain some handguns and semi-auto light rifles from the US via smuggling channels. But their heavy weaponry, like crew-served full autos, claymores, manpads, mortars, apcs, attack helicopters--the ones that constitute the "security threat" you reference--are sold to the Mexican government via legitimate military sales channels and then transferred into cartel hands by the myriad of corrupt Mexican officials on their payroll.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@murn20091 And we fail.

[@TheOGMattBurns]

I know this is going to sound crazy, but maybe, just MAYBE, we should focus on drug addiction here in our own country before invading another. The demand is the issue but solving it on our side of the border isn't profitable. More Americans would be helped if we focused on the cause and demand aspects of this problem. The truth is we NEED problems like these because entire agencies are funded by them. Smedley Butler said "War is a racket" and the "War on drugs" is no exception.

[@cplassen2138]

It doesn't sound crazy. It sounds naive. Treating addiction is a reaction after the fact. There is no case any reasonable person can present that shows a flood of narcotics into a population and none of those people use the dope. This is irrespective of economic opportunity, race, social class, or education. If you allow unregulated narcotics into your society, they are going to be distributed, purchased and consumed. Narcotics have a place in civilized society. Funding violent gangs through the black market isn't it. The rest of your assertion is ridiculous crap.

[@evolgenius1150]

Ounce of prevention vs a pound of cure. It sorta sounds like “Call me crazy, but maybe we should focus on cleaning the blood off the floor before we think about suturing the wound shut…”. It’s kinda backwards, because if we don’t shut it down, the number of addictions and fatalities will just grow.

[@esitu5655]

This is how Canada is treating the opioid crisis and it doesn’t work! Holding drug users, who have also become criminals , by their hand and also give them clean drugs in hopes they will seek treatment is naive

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

⁠@@evolgenius1150 the demand stays the same. You think shutting the wound is by stitching when in reality it would be the equivalent of putting a band aid on it. The demand stays because no matter what another entity will just take the previous one’s place, or has history taught you Americans nothing?? 🤦‍♂️💀

[@vicerichter1163]

​@@evolgenius1150 no you have to do both. It blows my mind that nobody thinks about using a compound solution for this problem. Its far efficient, it weakens the issue and solves the problem.

[@user-vq3dc2se5d]

Close the goods and trade with Old Mexico till they destroy the cartel. Then we can talk trade again, maybe

[@johnslagboom1836]

Having said that, this is by far the most informed and levelheaded treatment I have heard so far on this subject.

[@waltertx.6020]

Thanks for the heads up Mooch!

[@johnharris6655]

As long as the Cartels own the Mexican Government, this will never stop.

[@edgarmondragon4708]

First, stop the American cartels inside the USA. Or how do the millions of daily illegal drug doses come from the Mexican border to Ohio or New York? Quantum Teleportation? Black Magic? The largest narcotraffic in the world occurs on US soil.

[@supertec2023]

Kind of like how the oligarchs own our Congress😊

[@cleetussnow7159]

Hehe. Either they are with us or against us. I can’t think of a better use of US military.

[@rockym2931]

This is crucial, and it was not mentioned, mostly because some people are not even aware of that reality. In Mexico, if they offer you money, you take it or else.

[@Splarkszter]

As long as Americans keep buying drugs thus being the main fund for the cartels*

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

As the saying goes, complex problems have simple, easy to implement, cheap, wrong answers.

[@TheRayDog]

Oh you're right, it's so complex. This is why your side lost. Always an excuse why the US can't do, shouldn't do, would be worse off doing. Go away.

[@jacqdanieles]

​@TheRayDog yeah, big brain,that's how your side brought us the Iraq & Afghanistan cakewalks.

[@dansuarez6052]

In this case expensive answers

[@corvanphoenix]

How do you attack a commodity market with bullets?

[@SethBondArtist]

Peter Zeihan does a nice job of explaining the differences of economics of fentanyl vs other drugs. The precursors are legal and you can make it with two guys in a garage. You can't forever-war you way to drug rehab.

[@fredbyoutubing]

If it can start like Black Hawk Down, it could end like Black Hawk Down....

[@LackofFaithify]

Nah, nah, nah. It could end like 9/11 every other week. A lot easier to get from Mexico to here than the ME to here, yeah?

[@Lash00]

More like Clear and Present Danger

[@jon4466]

@@Lash00 More like 100,000 troops in northern Mexico after the cartels send a few shahed drones into downtown San Antonio.

[@leaveit2beemr685]

@@Lash00 Yep, good call

[@fredbyoutubing]

@@Lash00 fair enough.They mentioned Black Hawk Down and I was adding to it.

[@VarroTigurius-u1f]

We've had a "War on Drugs" since the 1980s yet we still have drugs coming from SA. I agree we cant stand by and do nothing and we need military level intervention against the cartels but I don't know how we do this correctly. The issue with fentanyl is more from cheap Chinese imports than it is from Mexican cartels. The cartels are definitely an issue when it comes to street level crime and our prison populations. Our privatized prisons actually are part of the problem when it comes to the issue of influence cartels have from prison. From an intelligence PoV the corruption in privatized prisons is insane. My fear of the new "War on Cartels" will have a short term significant impact but long term will have a natural selection effect on the cartels to make them strong/better/more resilient. Second/Third order effects will definitely include making enemies of what should be friendly govts.

[@billsimpson604]

China would LOVE it, so would Putin.

[@thane1448]

They knowingly hand fentanyl over to people just trying to feel good. Do you know any western people's doing that en-masse? That have ever done such a thing?

[@MikeB3542]

The War on Drugs started in 1971 (Nixon Administration)

[@thane1448]

@MikeB3542 The Immigration and Nationalization Act of 1965 preceded the apparent need for action in 1971. There are animated graphs of immigration by nationality on youtube, which show an explosion in volume of immigrants from south America in 1965. I personally think an immigration rate that was way too fast for housing and business development, has basically been at the root of nearly all of Americans problems for the last 3 or 4 decades. From traffic to suicide to violence, as people compete over lessening resources. I was btainwashed with notions about peace, giving and humility. Given the life i have led i wish i was taught the opposite. Everytime i offered an inch, a mile was taken.

[@edgarhilbert4797]

Only 1+ of american prisoners are in private prisons. Marxist.

[@graveperil2169]

IF 0.1% of your population is dying from Fentanyl each year what percentage of your population is addicted?

[@aminavazeh4433]

Go read about opium wars They talking about something like that but in this case government is working with them!80 percent of fentanyl comes from legal passages

[@gasoven3759]

Math... Mr. White!!!

[@tonywords6713]

So typical of America to think a medical problem can be solved with a gun.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

Yeah it's not like we tried and failed to win a "war on drugs" for the past several decades or whatever.

[@JeffBilkins]

But if we're act very confident and spend a lot of money it might work this time!

[@derekcoaker6579]

You mean, "Just say No" didn't work?

[@FuKuNinja]

​@@derekcoaker6579Nothing works when you stop

[@TexasIsACountry]

The entire concept of going to war with cartels, knowing American involvement in drug consumption and Gun running, is really rich. Class fucking act America.

[@draganjagodic4056]

It is immensely cheaper and safer to fight this evil in the country you know, among the people you know, with logistics literally around the corner, with medical care also literally a short safe drive (or short safe flight) etc. than to start "limited military operation" in the potentially hostile unknown environment with unforeseeable consequences and complications. IMHO at least.

[@Arthur_Foxache]

Nothing to do with fighting drug abuse. You know it, they know it, and the Mexicans know it.

[@ubub932]

@@Arthur_Foxache eh? it's *everything* to do with it . . . SMH

[@markordess4093]

What a profound notion. Please, tell us more. How EXACTLY do we deal with this problem by limiting our actions to inside the US. OBTW, what do you propose to do inside the US???

[@MikeB3542]

​@@markordess4093 1. Universal health care (including mental health care)...to address self-medicating 2. Decriminalization of drug use 3. Commit to public funding of substance abuse treatment. 4. Fund medical research to study drugs and addiction. We need to study the problem, treat it as a disease rather than moral failing. Consider that we are doing these things, except through the prison system, which is very expensive and not particularly effective. (The US prison system is the largest "provider" of mental health services).

[@philippos5547]

I think what Dan Crenshaw is lobbying for (at least that's what I take from his previous podcasts on the topic) is mostly providing the Mexican military with American air support in order to take out heavily armed cartels with technicals, 50 cals and the like which they have trouble with. I don't think he's petitioning for heavy boots on the ground, other than special forces / advisors like the green berets.

[@TheLAGopher]

Mission creep can take on a life of it's own when SOF units get into something they need conventional forces to get them out of. Nobody wants a Task Force Ranger situation in Tijuana where its the 1st Marine Division having to escort JSOC out of town instead of the 10th Mountain Division.

[@phatphlyer]

Crenshaw is a rino and not to be trusted. Says this Houston resident.

[@cristobalflores1613]

Mexico doesnt have a problem facing the cartels with pure military strenght. There are tons of videos of mexican helicopters demolishing cartel pickups and fortified positions. The problem with cartels is that they can simply blend with the civilian population and dissapear, much like the afghanistan guerrillas that bogged down the us military for 20 years

[@4fuzzybear]

Dan is a Rino at the end of the day. We will see if he does his job, or stops short like everything Bush did. It’s a new day, I hope he knows it.

[@allenliu8820]

its more of American political posturing they want to make it seem like they are doing something with the stupid amounts of money they are wasting by fighting the cartels if they wanted to fix the problem, they would had, by using proven methods to deal with the drug crisis, but they have always said, american problems require american solutions

[@johnnyutah4584]

Sending US troops into Mexico? But, what if President Pardo requests Vladimir Putin for Russian assistance?

[@readytodie116]

I was thinking this. I could see the Chinese capitalizing on this as well.

[@markteague8889]

How will the Chinese react to having their market for Fentanyl precursors shut down?

[@TStheDeplorable]

For perspective on how angry we should be, in the entire Viet Nam war which lasted ten years, we lost 58,000 Americans. By the LOW estimate we are losing 80,000 Americans PER YEAR from Fentanyl.

[@miki_9034]

Yeah, let's invade another country, instead of securing the border 🤦‍♂️

[@boost7983]

Yeah, what have we been waiting for?

[@GeorgeStar]

The pharma drug cartels killed over ONE MILLION Americans with just one drug - opioids. Why aren't you angry about that?

[@squidwardo7074]

That's not exactly the cartel's fault. I think you should take a look in the mirror.

[@b.w.22]

Eh, here in WV I don’t recall seeing any Sicarios around dealing to the innocent and misguided who would, without drugs, surely be pursuing their legal degrees.

[@aidandorrian920]

Military Industrial Complex ... needs "forever Operations" ...

[@iandambrosia6755]

We continue to focus on the supply part of the problem. We need to change the demand. There will always be an organization to fill the supply as long as the demand exists. Our nation drives the industry. We need to look inside at ourselves. It's pure capitalism! If done right imagine what billions of dollars spent on treatment and prevention could do.

[@derekcoaker6579]

Wow, I'm disappointed I had to scroll this far to read something like this.

[@kkquikB1]

The demand for drugs is addiction. Addiction is a disease. So no, we cant do anything about it. The left ties itself into knots.

[@MeeesterBond17]

See, this is a great idea which won't be implemented because there's no quarterly growth forecast for shareholders in your plan. It's not you that's wrong, it's the world.

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

@@MeeesterBond17 “it’s the world” so capitalism..? 🧐

[@MeeesterBond17]

@@g1g4_ch4d7 In a word - yep.

[@TheKalico23]

What will happen is you'll have foreign fighters like Alqaeda, Taliban, or other Islamic fighters coming and joining the cartels to fight against its mutual enemy, the U.S. We've seen that happen over and over again in the Middle East. The Islamist will always look for an opportunity to fight or terrorize its enemy. And what better way than at its borders. They will bring the fight here. But I also agree something is gotta be done about the cartels!

[@saveamericanfreedom2400]

I can tell you the rolling Stones magazine doesn't know anything about Trump's plan. 😂

[@theamerican7131]

your so right

[@hellman9655]

How about Americans just stop using drugs.

[@stealthbomber2127]

Because it would work.

[@930Tony]

holy shit you're smart

[@RubikubeRock-hc4ro]

Exactly

[@jamesinFL]

Exactly, but it is not a unique American problem nor is it a recent problem. Fentanyl is just the latest version.

[@majorsynthqed7374]

For the same reason they keep eating McDonald's crap.

[@hvu6037]

The cartels won't fight as hard because to them, this is business not ideology or religion. So don't equate them to the Taliban or mujahideens. Once the costs of fighting the toughest military becomes evident, the businessmen of the cartels will fold.

[@taniaiii4535]

@@hvu6037 wrong. Cartels praise the same god the US gvmt and army praise: money. That's their religion.

[@GreenOliveBranch]

Money is their god, drugs is their religion. So they will act like ISIS

[@b.w.22]

Pretty bold proclamation, given the things these dudes are willing to do for money. It seems to me that this sort of overconfidence in the capability of military force to solve pretty complicated issues has led us, again and again, into pouring national treasure down a hole. Like all the guys in the 60’s who were quite sure a sufficient show of AirPower would make the North Vietnamese submit. Then Special Forces. Then Marines. Then big Army. Then a draft. When holding a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail, it’s said.

[@tetraxis3011]

They will because They are nationalistic and They will consider American forces as invaders

[@fernandocastillo1972]

Last time this happened ( Pershing’s expedition to Mexico 🇲🇽 ) they never caught Villa !

[@fortusvictus8297]

And this time we are supposed to believe the guy who wanted to appoint a man who goes on drugged out binges with teenage girls as Secretary of State. So yeah, this is all talk.

[@rmmx77]

And they won't catch the Cartels either most cartels have a footprint in many parts of Latin America as far south as Argentina and even a small presence in Australia. What makes anyone think they will stay put in Mexico and allow themselves to just be eliminated or taken into custody. When they can just cross the border into Guatemala

[@ChompisRas]

Now there are a lot of infiltrators and traitors in 🇲🇽

[@PrimericanIdol]

They'll cut it short due to WWIII breaking out somewhere. Just like when WWI broke out.

[@starmnsixty1209]

Impose capital punishment on dellers and users alike.

[@JustherefortheLOLZ]

"We're going to handle this once and for all". Where have I heard this before? Russia in Afghanistan and Ukraine. US in Afghanistan. Vietnam. North Korea.

[@keepyourbilsteins]

Doesn't most fentanyl enter through US ports? Sounds like a lot could be accomplished at American and Mexican ports of entry.

[@JonMartinYXD]

And the vast majority is brought in by American citizens.

[@JonMartinYXD]

I don't know about ports specifically, but most enters through official points of entry (ports included obviously), and most is brought in by American citizens because they face the least amount of scrutiny.

[@SP3NTT]

I mean, I'm all for it if you can explain how it's going to end differently then Iraq and Afghanistan... last I checked, we didn't accomplish much

[@LackofFaithify]

The main difference is it's a lot shorter of a trip from Mexico to the US.

[@SP3NTT]

@LackofFaithify I'm not referring to the logistics of operations...

[@pedraw]

We spent trillions and enriched the military industrial complex and their political supporters.

[@RedTail1-1]

I'm just going to keep my mouth shut this time... Let ignorant people think ignorant things..

[@LackofFaithify]

@@SP3NTT I'm not referring to our logistics of operations.... If you want to go against an organization with vast in roads into the US homeland and the ability to hit anywhere they want at anytime and who's business is literally logistics, well congrats, you found the perfect enemy!

[@rashadmarquez9634]

The War on Drugs is a losing battle if there's a demand for drugs!!!people will supply it Point Blank

[@Member00101]

Considering that most drugs are smuggled into the country by American citizens you’re correct. Also going after Mexican cartels will just shift the trade to some other country. You have to remove the demand not try to cut off supply because people will always find a way to get what they need/want.

[@EdwardRLyons]

I think there's a word for that. Capitalism. And the neoliberal ideology that has dominated capitalism in the West for the past four decades tells us the The Market is always right. In this instance, The Market is meeting the demand for fentanyl, just as it meets the demand for cocaine, or heroin, or amphetamines. So, is using the military really the best way solve the demand to "do something" about the cartels who trade in fentanyl? If the Mexican cartels are dismantled or destroyed, the demand will still be there -- and The Market always finds a way to meet the demand. After all, that's the neoliberal way in a nutshell.

[@jerryoftheriver]

That's how American ingenuity is bought by cartels for their operations; speaking of guns here.

[@firstnamelastname4959]

So what's your solution then?

[@jerryoftheriver]

@firstnamelastname4959 Its doesn't mater fnln9. The states can't take care of their addicts so they send em to California because we are more humane and meanwhile yall blaming the supply. Same thing with hiring illegals. The only solution here ultimately, is putting the cartels on a terrorist list as their activities are about causing as much problems as the alcohol industry and tobacco at the same time. Funny how we don't blame our own suppliers of death. Additionally, any talk of a soft invasion over joint military operations to take out cartels is going to be a very, very bad move, especially if tariffs raise your food prices and send it into new levels of inflation the likes you've never seen. ;)

[@jrmotorsports55]

Thank you for the update.

[@davidwhiteford4936]

Been reading the comments; Mooch, you have a very savvy audience!

[@justryan1325]

If uncle sam goes after the Cartels, would that mean every American Citizien will become fair game for these cartels?

[@donlowrance3954]

We already are. You think they care about you?

[@aldofromsf]

​@@donlowrance3954 Best answer.

[@blaiseutube]

Actually, @donlowrance3954 is wrong. Cartels kidnapped some us citizens by accident a few years ago and returned them unharmed with the apology that they didn't intend to antagonize the government.

[@gregmoessner3104]

Sshhhh

[@John_Redcorn_]

It would mean the cartels would become fair game for us citizens. Declaring open season on cartel members in a country as armed as we are-good luck, cartel. Youll need it.

[@greggweber9967]

11:30 How much action will be for show? Public consumption?

[@lindelholden5465]

Should have a comprehensive strategy addressing US domestic demand for the drugs, classifying the cartels as terrorist organizations, and coordinating with the Mexican government

[@LackofFaithify]

We do, it's called hopes and prayers.

[@kschleic9053]

The demand side strategy should be led by the states... Different solutions for different regions. Classifying the cartels as terrorist organizations would be all that is necessary to send drones into Mexico, if the rest of the world is any example.

[@pin65371]

@@kschleic9053 I think classifying the cartels as terrorist organizations would also help going after finances. Financing a terrorist organization would add a whole other risk to anyone operating in the US. That is really where they need to focus first. Go after the actual cartel members in the US and cut off the money supply.

[@kkquikB1]

Cant do anything about demand, bc addiction is a disease, as labelled by the left.

[@MikeMcbride-b8q]

Living in Mexico as an American different cartels own different parts of the government sinola federal Cjng local for example. We need to focus on border security. Leave others to their own problems.

[@warrencooksey5603]

Retired Tier 0 commander here. I totes agree with what these guys sources are saying

[@unclemikedoyle]

Yep. You can win every battle and still lose the war if the political leadership doesn't know what they're trying to accomplish. (And I'm not convinced that ANYBODY, on either side of the aisle, could find their asses with both hands and a compass...)

[@owensomers8572]

Let's not forget the Colin Powell maxim, "You break it, you own it".

[@rangerat1957]

Great show Mooch. In my opinion the war on drugs will never end. When you are talking about a billion-dollar enterprise there will always be someone to step up and be the leader. They thought when EL. Chapo was arrested things would be better but all it did was instigate a war between the ones that wanted to be in charge which many innocent people died. Many cartel leaders have been arrested but there is always many waiting in line to take their place.

[@Emlizardo]

War on This, War on That, on terror, on drugs, whatever. Unfortunately it's been the American way for a long time, failure after failure.

[@brettcurtis5710]

Money!! Follow the money - if it can't be laundered or diverted into legitimate businesses then it's useless to them - remember Pablo Escobar could not spend it quick enough nor hide it - he started burying millions!! The tax havens and the shell companies should be targeted and shutdown - money is what matters in the end!!

[@andrews2990]

@@EmlizardoThat’s because you can’t win a war against an idea. It polls well though.

[@doomedwit1010]

If only it were a billion dollar industry. Willing to bet it's trillions.

[@allenliu8820]

@@andrews2990 Well of course; yet, we still arent stopping because the military arms manufacturers are making fat stacks on human suffering.

[@wellread8649]

So he wants to start a new war? I thought we were voting against new wars.

[@JoshuaTootell]

No, just voting against wars we can blame the other party on.

[@NonsenseFabricator]

"No new wars" was a misprint. It was supposed to say "No! New wars!"

[@sorenandersen6832]

I’m glad your channel is around.

[@jimbrown4803]

Thank you. Things to really think about…

[@dont6441]

The people buying these drugs are just as responsible as the ones making and selling them. Just like anything else, no demand equals no supply.

[@loose-arrow-garage]

Exactly!

[@gpaull2]

The U.S. “war on drugs” in the 80’s and 90’s tried that already. It just filled the prisons with end user drug addicts. It only helped your private for profit prisons. To repeat that is either ignorance of the past, or greedy connections to private prisons.

[@JoeyJoJoJr0]

And people are going to buy drugs when there's ZERO accountability or punishment in most Democrat cities/states.

[@davidbryant3532]

No supply...no use.. no demand...it's really simple

[@greebj]

​@@davidbryant3532ah that's why it's been fixed by the war on drugs for the past 40 years 🤡

[@DuckDodgers69]

Is this a "concept of a plan"? What is the price of popcorn 🍿

[@JoshuaTootell]

I'm sure the price of popcorn will drop, just like eggs and gas, in 2 weeks. Or, not.

[@Icarusdecending82]

People want to act like violence can't happen on our side of the border.

[@BSO_Actual]

It already does

[@Icarusdecending82]

@BSO_Actual oh, it could be way worse.

[@DMB_14]

Hozer wrote a book on this scenario called "Declared Hostile" which is a scenario in which the US takes the gloves off and uses the Navy to kill drug traffickers. I'd be interested to hear his research for the book.

[@crazycrazy8236]

Yep.... Your misión is to fight the cartels you have in the USA.... In México is doing it...

[@chrishooge3442]

There is a downside to having such an effective military, economy, and populace. We think we can do anything...and we try.

[@Cameraflyer-]

Soldiers never know what they're fighting for. That's why they're soldiers.

[@Larpy1933]

My few Patreon dollars are well-spent here. Thx to you both.

[@WardCarroll]

Much appreciated!

[@adburney65]

Incursions into foreign countries by our military is a horrible idea. 1. How will you deal with international law? 2. What will be the liability for collateral damage/civilian deaths? 3. What will the justification for military incutsion be?

[@orbjeff]

"We didn't learn anything..." could be argued in that we learned how you can never be too prepared to enter or leave the country. Humility is the only lasting lesson, otherwise drones have changed everything.

[@tugdumbly1927]

Why don’t we stop/reduce demand by establishing/delivering a functional addiction treatment program? Without demand the problem disappears.

[@jaynicew]

He compared it to Iraq and Afghanistan… two insurgency wars we did not win‼️

[@paulwalker899]

If the Mexican government is capable of taking care of this, why are we not putting extreme pressures on them to do it?

[@michaelsmith2017]

I think poverty, corruption and fear in Mexico are a huge factor. There are a ton of police and politicians on the Cartel payrolls to just look the other way. The Cartel's also ruthlessly threaten the families of anyone who stands against them. When it comes to basic services like access to medicine and food, the Cartel's are supporting a huge portion of the population which makes them hesitant to report things to the police. Heck, the Cartel's Practically run the Mexican prison system.

[@davefloyd9443]

Because individual people are scared of the Cartels.

[@Emlizardo]

Because the American appetite for drugs is bottomless.

[@JoeyJoJoJr0]

Becaues the Mexican government is controlled by the Cartels lol

[@seandelaney1700]

The precursor chemicals come from China. You could argue China is supporting this hybrid war. Pressure is the only thing that can limit the fentanyl production. Sobriety is the only thing to limit the drug use. The former is achievable the latter less so. As to an invasion of Mexico it has way more risk than reward, unimaginable risk. The number of Americans living in or visiting Mexico is huge. A broad war will not provide the solution we seek, but that does not mean a solution is not possible.

[@quinatakara650]

this is literally just the start of cyberpunk lmao

[@DAHerr]

Dude we've been at war for more years than we will ever admit.

[@scootertooter6874]

Singapore doesn't have many drug problems...wonder why? I'm pretty sure it's not a result of "decriminalization"...

[@Shadow__133]

Easier than addressing the root of the problem: consumption. This government is likely to fail… yet again.

[@kshepard52]

You mean like "Just say no!". Oh wait... you have to BUY it?

[@Shadow__133]

@ No, that approach barely worked in the ’80s and ’90s, back when parents were a thing. I mean punishing the ones financing it by consuming something illegal or advertising it with 💩 music, rather than targeting only the seller or producer.

[@firstnamelastname4959]

And your proposed solution is what exactly?

[@Shadow__133]

@firstnamelastname4959 Read my previous comment and add this: There should be no financial burden for recreational drug usage upon others. If you choose to use illicit drugs, you must bear the medical consequences of that decision. It’s past time people to take responsibility for their actions and behave as adults.

[@TheSupriest]

Oh god this is so dumb. As long as there will be demand, there will be supply, one way or an other. Thinking that sending some rambo would solve the issue is childish at best.

[@firstnamelastname4959]

So what's your solution?

[@nullterm]

Fantastic episode. Did he just win the Moochie award back to back??? 2025 guests gonna have to really step it up to grab the ring.

[@dwjr5129]

Will we learn (have we learned) the right lessons? A lot to absorb. Thanks Mooch.

[@stanburman9978]

Ward this was an outstanding video. More wisdom about our American propensity to engage in war and how Mexico could play out came out of Kevin Maurer's mouth than I have heard in years. Thank you and hand salute to you both.

[@leonfa259]

I miss that they didn't address the corruption both in Mexico and the US. The over prescription via paid off docs enabled the current epidemic. How many of the agencies we ask to fight that issue are complicit with the smuggling. Sure that the local govs, both north & south of the border aren't paid off?

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

Excellent episode, Mooch, chock full of insights! It’s a multi pronged battle, to be fought on multiple fronts, fighting men alone is just not sustainable!

[@robchr]

This is just optics. Just like ending the war in Ukraine in 24 hours.

[@baggobilbins5183]

BS.

[@bencarlyle2155]

Which part? ​@@baggobilbins5183

[@jacqdanieles]

"Only I can fix it" "Build the wall" "Mexico will pay for it" "Lock her up" "Bring back manufacturing" "Bring coal jobs back" "Better Healthcare than ObamaCare" What did I miss?

[@tharrrrrrr]

​@@jacqdanieles "I will lower grocery prices."

[@RolledLs]

@@baggobilbins5183yes. He is full of it, isn’t he.

[@patrikfloding7985]

Things went so well in Afghanistan and Iraq… I note the discussion turns to this sane viewpoint later on.

[@grahamfloyd3451]

The US consumes 80% of the global drug trade, with only 4% of the population.

[@galens2543]

I’ve never heard this claim before, can you site any sources or tell me where I can learn more?

[@stevehicks8944]

I’m sorry but I am calling BS on this assertion.

[@iangriffith3940]

That’s an entirely false claim, way to just make stuff up.

[@930Tony]

lol horseshit

[@JonMartinYXD]

For those wanting a source, look up 'Therapeutic opioids: a ten-year perspective on the complexities and complications of the escalating use, abuse, and nonmedical use of opioids' on the National Library of Medicine (part of the US government's National Institutes of Health). Quote: _Americans, constituting only 4.6% of the world's population, have been consuming 80% of the global opioid supply, and 99% of the global hydrocodone supply, as well as two-thirds of the world's illegal drugs._

[@danieljr.9128]

Perhaps, the first approach should be stopping the demand for fentanyl. Basic economics: No demand, No supply.

[@BostonSpartan]

I suggest you look up prohibition, prostitution, the war on drugs, and the war on terror. Doest seem like you can wave a wand and stop demand...

[@raysantiago3750]

The War on Drugs. Fight back! 🇺🇲

[@user-iv7pl2uo7q]

@@raysantiago3750 The War on Drugs has failed in every way EXCEPT to expand the Military Industrial Complex & Police State America.

[@RobertPilla]

@@user-iv7pl2uo7q Truth.

[@alexserrano5367]

War on drugs failed when our CIA agents ended up doing all the hookers and coke & offing our own DEA agent Kiki Camerina .

[@joemancini2988]

Thanks Ward. Simple solutions for complex problems. Seen that before.

[@jeffallen3382]

Over 50k Americans dir a year from overdose of drugs...many from Mexico. How is stopping that going to be "more dangerous for Americans"?

[@b.w.22]

Because “30 year’s worth” of Americans live in Mexico? Likely centuries more near the border? Death comes for us all, eventually, and if saving 50k is Delta Force important after decades “fighting” this very war, I’d think there would be easier ways to prevent 50k deaths in America per year somewhere else.

[@tetraxis3011]

Because invading means the Cartels will be willing to perform terrorist attacks on a mass scale in the US

[@comeandtravel1]

Kevin's words of caution should be heeded!