Deep Striking in Horus Heresy 2.0

[@GypsyDaenger]

my man got the absolute worst rolling luck to demo a Deep strike lol

[@Lord_Aussem]

🤣🤣 It happens more often than we would like 🤣🤣

[@Dwilson1282]

also your command squad (and whole army) look great. good work man!

[@Lord_Aussem]

Thanks!

[@gaaaaaaaaaaah1]

I love the new deep strike rules and the reactions . There is depth where there was little before. You have to plan things out, don't drip feed your units and don't try chip damage unless you are trying to bait the reaction.....strategy...my god. good video love the army. As an aside just use 7th ed xenos rules(especially Orks)...maybe cut the points by 1/3. Easy

[@shrobee]

Liber Panoptica adds some xenos army rules (Eldar) I think they might come out with an Orks faction eventually

[@jacobroche333]

ooh Spooky Dreadclaw

[@jasonbrooker8101]

I've been having lots of discussions about this with my play group as I love using drop pods. I can't find anywhere in the rules where it actually says a squad can disembark from a dreadclaw at the end of the movement phase on the turn it comes in?

[@ignitedxblaze]

as a person who also tried the dreadclaw I wasn't too impressed. even with assault ram (from fan expansion) you cannot charge out of the pod anyway unless you use the drop pod assault rite, I think it is definitely reserved for shooting units going forward

[@Lord_Aussem]

Yeah it's true, that's why I arrived at command squad with combo-meltas. They'll have to disembark and sit there for a turn before charging. But you're right they are underwhelming this edition. At least last edition you could sit inside the dreadclaw and wait. Now you have to get out and stand there. It's too bad.

[@Dwilson1282]

the changes to deep striking were a pivotal cause of my dislike for 2.0- the fact that dreadclaws no longer have the assault type was another. I had based my world eaters around the orbital assault rite of war. They just died in 2.0. Basically taking two turns of shooting in my turn (reactions in movement, shooting, assault phase) and then the shooting from my enemy turn. I ended up selling the army tbh.

[@Lord_Aussem]

Yeah I agree it's a bit of a pain. I understand what they were trying to do but it's a bit too punishing. And complicated. They added way too many steps. I think that if they had made it so you get rid of all those steps, (the pinning check, the interceptor reactions, the disordered roll, etc.) and the dread claw had assault ramp still, but maybe you can't assault the turn you arrive, then it could feel more fair. I do like all of the stuff coming in on one roll however.

[@GypsyDaenger]

@@Lord_Aussem limiting intercept and giving the claw back assault would be a decent way to balance.

[@Lord_Aussem]

@@GypsyDaenger Yeah I'd be very happy with that. I don't think any interceptor reaction should be free with things like Augury scanners or helical targeting arrays. It should just allow that unit to use a movement reaction to intercept instead.

[@jellydamgood]

Lose a couple to intercept, lose another couple during overwatch. Woo, now you are 100 points short before anything even happens. Only pain for assault armies, minimum rewards.

[@Lord_Aussem]

I know, it's a lot to punish combat armies. One thing I've been thinking about is how only one side gets to shoot per player shooting phase, yet both sides get to fight in each players assault phase. It's kind of weird when you think about it. After playing a few other game systems you start to realize how flawed warhammer's system can be.

[@jellydamgood]

@@Lord_Aussem yea, it's been mitigated somewhat with the return fire reaction. But the pain of being melee is part of the fun. Except when you whiff your charges of course. By the warp gods that just feels bad no matter how you cut it.