Deep Thinking | Garry Kasparov | Talks at Google

[@julliosantoro]

Kasparov can even answer your question before you finish asking. That's how far he can calculate.

[@inlovewithi]

I've never heard him speak before, so that's why I clicked on this video. I read your comment before 0:36, and then laughed a little.

[@PornobrillenAli]

He can even fart at 27:56

[@kp5736]

@@PornobrillenAli lol

[@farrahaljams4201]

@@PornobrillenAli hahah you are crazy how did you pick it up!!?

[@clintwestwood4545]

@@PornobrillenAli lmaooooo he calculated before the interview exactly when he was gonna fart thats why he didnt give a shit he just let that diarrhea squirt out his ass

[@user-tp7wi4lt2b]

13:50 "Computers are useless because they can only give you answers, but everything begins with a question" Brilliant

[@a.s.7160]

Its a pablo picasso quote.

[@antoniobreaux1584]

@@a.s.7160 Pablo picasso did not say everything begins wit a question in his quote.

[@SomethingLegit1]

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[@simonloh1855]

Humans always have one thing that computers can never possess, and that is WISDOM! ;)

[@josephuia]

@@antoniobreaux1584 its implied in the statement

[@campy3888]

There's so much energy and passion in the way he talks. So fascinating and inspiring!

[@ChessMasters236]

yeah i was thinking of how passionate he is

[@versatilegeniuses9374]

@@ChessMasters236 he talks in *bold*

[@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude]

@@versatilegeniuses9374 Do you like bold talkers or cute talker?

[@michaelthomheadley]

"It's not about solving the game, it's about winning the game." That is tremendously insightful.

[@Tompsf1]

Mike Headley how so?

[@gileee]

Solving the game IS winning tho. It's like tic tac toe. The second player only has two options if he's playing against someone who knows the solution. Either take the draw or lose the game. But that's just when you take the quote at face value.

[@gileee]

@@stuartfleming To be able to know what the best possible move is in any given position. In games that are fair, if both players play "perfectly" (ie. know the solution and follow it) the game should be a draw.

[@gileee]

@@stuartfleming I don't know since it hasn't been solved lol. Probably, since depending on your opponents next move different moves would be optimal, it would more likely be a move that gives you the highest possible chance of not losing in the long run. Maybe something to that extent can be proven mathematically. There has been a lot of work done on the math behind chess but I've never come across a paper like that. I thought about this a little more. Even in tic tac toe if I go corner, my opponent goes center, I have 2 different corners to choose which would be equally optimal (since the board is symmetrical). But whichever corner I choose my opponent is locked into playing the game on the terms I've chosen, he's locked into the dance I'm leading, otherwise he'll lose on the next move. So his best move is to stop me from winning immediately. Which coincidentally makes me forced to defend against an immediate loss. Only way to lose is a blunder, but with a solved game there is no blunder. Chess is of course more complex than that. The board stops being symmetrical in the first few moves usually.

[@gileee]

@@stuartfleming Yeah. I've never played connect 4 but a friend mentioned it had a known solution. We'll see with chess as computers (or AI) continue to evolve, if it happens in our lifetime at all that is.

[@TB-ih7bg]

Now we have the problem of human's cheating using engines. Back then we had the problem of engines cheating using humans.

[@isaacvongurtberg7341]

Hahaha

[@2019inuyasha]

sort of like when many grandmasters come together to put in the playing style and counters of one single player then after the match take the machine apart so no one else can play it....LOL

[@BrownOpsLeak]

Very funny good one go now

[@raosahebsuryavanshi84]

@@isaacvongurtberg7341 Nikhil kamat

[@chrislee6997]

This comment aged well...

[@danielthomas5634]

I love his point about our brains becoming subordinate to AI, people becoming too reliant on someone or something else to do the math for them. I think it's important we think for ourselves and figure things out for ourselves and not just submit to an established model, in most areas of life, and not just chess. Great talk given by Mr Kasparov!

[@richardfeynman5560]

Kasparow has a very entertaining way of explaining his point of view.

[@mumbaiverve2307]

Just like you did.

[@souvikbhattacharyya2480]

It amazes me how Garry is still so passionate about the game when he talks about it. He is an amazing guy and an inspiration to anyone following his or her own passion.

[@NL-tq1yr]

Kasparov is the kind of guy that you hear talking for a minute and you know he is intelligent on many levels, not just chess.

[@arydias85]

His IQ is enormously high

[@beliakovdev8059]

he is a cheater in every aspect of his miserable life. There well known facts as he cheated young chess players.

[@slowtyper95]

Its rare to find "old school" people that can accept the existent of technology like Kasparov

[@bobtrower567]

Wow. That is an incredibly sharp mind at work. It was a real pleasure watching this.

[@tomaskereskeni3231]

even that sharp mind went blown with a child question

[@XxKo0loxX]

What we can take away from this discussion is if there ever is a hair regrowth product that actually works, then Kasparov will once again dominate the world of chess.

[@chickenshieee]

Underrated haha

[@vee2524]

If he tries minoxidil, he just might🤔

[@wessur5]

I'm sure if I could find a hair regrowth product that actually works, that it would improve my game. smile

[@kajeralocse]

Guy's really fun to talk to. He's not only a great chess player but a good talker as well. Shows how intelligent he is

[@mirzamirza7878]

Nobody sounds to care about the interviewer (Demis Hassabis). Hassabis is the creator of DeepMind (AlphaZero) and is classified as one of the 10 best scientist of the world by the magazine Nature. He's also one of the best player of chess (2nd best world player of his age at 13 years old) + one of the best world player of Go + one of the best world player of Shogi (japanese chess). 5 times world champion of Pentamind. Hassabis is probably the smartest guy in the world at this time. He sold DeepMind to Google for 400 Millions $ and now he's working on AlphaFold to predict the proteins structure. He got a lot of awards and honour all over the world. I have a lot more admiration for Hassabis than for Kasparov : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demis_Hassabis

[@edrandomed]

Kasparov is sort of a wild man. He seemed nearly as "inflamed" about his 1997 loss to Deep Blue today as he was then.

[@markrobertparker]

deep blue beats kasparov anywhere that french is spoken

[@davidcopson5800]

It's because he's an Aries. Extremely competitive and passionate about things.

[@lupusnupus4887]

It's nice to see how Gary is still excited about everything.

[@sushilpatel100]

The thing that struck me most, and what I happened to realize even before viewing this wonderful interview, is that humans can do some amazing things without being able to explain how they do it, and what that means is, that computers will always lag until a human can translate how they do it. Get it? Perhaps I did not express it well enough.

[@hutterite1]

Kasparov, being who he was....turned the 97 match into what it blew up to be. He is a passionate character. And if IBM thought that he's just going to go away with all of his issues during the match, they were fools. Some players might have just shrugged off a thing or two, and might have been able to handle the tensions better, and thus, might have even won the 97 machine. But, it just so happened that the World Champion in 96-97 was Garry Kasparov

[@denis888red]

Love his warmth, energy and enthusiasm. Brilliant...and generous.

[@mightystrombreaker1672]

3 minutes into the video and i realised this guy is not only a chess genius but also very intelligent in other avenues

[@busyrand]

I really enjoyed this. Came here expecting a Computer Science talk but got interesting commentary about it's application instead.

[@ThjeshtLife]

*its

[@parahype]

his English is surprisingly good

[@maxsteiner7040]

He knows at least 2 more languages at this lever and 2-3 more with less fluency.

[@BloodyRosie]

He lives in the US

[@represiya7035]

@@maxsteiner7040 which languages?

[@qzland875]

@@represiya7035 russian

[@lbvprasad5495]

Bobby Fischer, Anatoly Karpov and Gary Kasparov are shining stars in the universe of chess.

[@atanu_giri]

I never imagined Kasparov would be such a jovial, eloquent personality. I thought he'd be a reserved, inarticulate guy

[@davidcopson5800]

Why?

[@josephbishara4791]

Kasparov is a great speaker. His accent may obscure certain words, but if you listen closely, he makes a lot of sense.

[@kaalen24]

“1985, machines were weak and my hair was strong”. 😂

[@Vextrove]

24:53 anyone else hear the sound of a pawn moving forward as he says "Time is moving forward"?

[@MordimersChessChannel]

Great interview, full of passion of energy. Definitely the best spent 40 minutes today :)

[@moondigit007]

For a GM like Kasparov is about finding the best possible move in given position suited to his "style' of play. Chess engines on the other hand get busy polling the ramifications of many moves in seconds. So you have human chess logic versus a checkmate calculator. engine.To the concept of AI you have to add AP Artificial Perception to be more human-like.

[@Klobbrax]

Kasparov is like an intellectual version of Mike Tyson

[@unfassbar123456]

😀

[@djedosemir]

don't belittle tyson like that, he's pretty intelligent!

[@vanguard4065]

Semir Djedovic pretty intelligent and a real intellectual is an insuperable gap

[@travissmith345]

@@vanguard4065 making an assumption of someone else's intellect that you're not certain of is an insurmountable gap

[@PhilippeCarphin]

@@djedosemir I would think that it's because Tyson is pretty intelligent that Eric made his comment.

[@sqpvfcgzdxk3135]

Kasparov should play a rematch against Deep Blue for sake of promoting chess and old time's sake. It would be loved by many!!

[@santishorts]

Deep Blue was dismantled. Doesn't exist anymore.

[@sqpvfcgzdxk3135]

Well, yes, but in reality its two towers were simply sent to two museums. It would be very easy for IBM to set the computer up good as new.

[@santishorts]

I doubt it would be. And in any case what would be the point? Kasparov is a retired chess player and Deep Blue is ancient history in terms of computer science.

[@sqpvfcgzdxk3135]

I mean what was the point of playing Alan Turing's Chess Engine? Play it on the anniversary of the match, for publicity, memories, and fun.

[@santishorts]

Well, no point in speculating anyway, it'll simply never happen.

[@egoitzsanz4567]

35:25 if you watch this on 2018, this moment is gold. He knew that 5 months later, stockfish was going to be smashed.

[@KidsLearnHTML]

What AlphaZero did to Stockfish is just absolutely amazing and mind boggling! I just pray that we humans will be good stewards of this AI stuff.

[@kubes8388]

he's got a very wicked brain, thinks with deep passion and logic at the same time, definitely a skill that he learned from the days living in competitive chess. Nice!

[@bababoombaboom2465]

Interesting to see them laughing about setting AlphaGo loose on chess, speculating about the possible outcome. Well, now we know the outcome.

Bababoom Baboom came to comment just after hearing that as well :) actually, I believe the games were already played at the time, only the paper was published some time later. Or they immediately took upon this challenge :)

[@adrianmiranda5531]

I suspect Demis was laughing inside at the time, knowing that beating stockfish was only months away.

[@adespade119]

Always a pleasure listening to Kasparov.

[@klevialushi571]

I know really!

[@olivierbenoit9718]

I am very impressed how Kasparov has matured from his first ideas on computer chess that were quite naive in the 80s and 90s. Now, not only does he understand it, of course, but his insight is quite valuable on how thinking machines and people could collaborate in general.

[@rikkertbatzback1816]

I once admired this man when I was learning chess back in the 90s. Then I heard him talk politics and history. This interview reinforces my belief that chess is the only thing admirable about him.

[@vancedadder]

What are his political views?

[@rikkertbatzback1816]

@@vancedadder In short: West good, east bad.

[@vancedadder]

@@rikkertbatzback1816 I don't agree. West bad too

[@rikkertbatzback1816]

@@vancedadderSame. I guess we all choose what we perceive as the lesser evil.

[@vancedadder]

@@rikkertbatzback1816 it's interesting that you agreed. I'd thought you were keen on East being bad too

[@SuperAWaC]

kasparov is probably one of the few chess masters during the era of soviet dominance that didn't cheat or at least collude with other soviet players

[@harrypalmer3481]

Garry Kasparov is a deservedly household name, both from his chess & political endeavours. I haven't seen any comments about Demis Hassabis here, he also deserves to be a household name after his achievements & contributions (already so far). Hassabis was well on the way to being a great chess champion but gave it up to pursue other things that he felt he could be more useful with. Garry Kasparov being interviewed by Demis Hassibis - wonderful! If you liked this then Demis Hassibis being interviewed by Jim Al Kahlili (another quite impressive bloke!) on The Life Scientific, BBC Radio 4 is worth a listen.

[@danielrinnunga9054]

Who else thinks Garry Kasparov sounds like Gru from Despicable me?

[@Ham_1982]

the comment about Magnus human approach to the game is spot on

[@marcinskwarczynski1067]

Garry you are the best player and GM forever I wish you good look in the next A thousand years

[@babjiparamathma1890]

What a self-confidence he has! He is so proud of his achievements!! King of Chess for a reason!!!

[@davidcopson5800]

King of chess for sure.

[@sunitagautam2721]

Enlightened by your insight Garry Sir. Thanks.

[@AndrejNikolov-xw2gi]

Damn this guy is a genius.

[@TheLastWizardOfTheCentury-u7o]

And very down to earth

[@losingisimproving5147]

Andrej Nikolov 194 iq

[@j.a.1776]

Yeah, he's the man behind alpha zero

[@Anonymous0545]

Putin is a genius!!

[@lordvoldemort953]

Losing Is Improving Misinformation... He has 135 iq, he has superior intelligence; however, he is not a genius.

[@Priyanaik1983]

what a fabulous talk. loved it.

[@llRh1noll]

What an incredible man wish I could meet him one time in my life..

[@georgetonelli]

It`s really nice that Google Talks about the book and I cannot buy it from Google Books. Really nice

[@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude]

nice point.... thats is called good customer service 😆

[@santishorts]

Always great to see good ol Kaspy. If any of you is curious to see how great computer chess is these days, look up the official channel of Magnus Carlsen (current world chess champion) and watch him play against different levels of his own phone app. Again, he plays against a phone... and the engine on that phone is not even remotely close in strength to top chess engines.

[@OlegTar]

a phone can do calls to remote server to get deceisions for chess

[@aufdermitte7143]

you didn't get his point, the point is that nowdays any decent chess engine even running in a phone can crush without much effort the current world champion (Which in opinion of many is even better that kasparov).

[@jean-marcfueri6678]

True but the real fun is to play against 1990s chess computer. Like a Saitek. I had a Mach III, Elo 2000 that would beat me but at least we had a chance now and then. Mephisto was the king, then Chess Genius. But put Chess Genius against Stockfish and he get annihilated...the level of chess engine is out of this world now although it's awesome for analysis I miss the days where you could tempt it with a pawn and checkmate it even on level 5 or 6:)

[@hamzailarzeg]

"Kaspy" wtf He's not your pet lol why do you people have to gay everything.

[@navningenandrehar]

I did not know Kasparov had such great language skills! I mean, I do no tthink I could speak so well in my own native language as he does is in a second language.

[@arturgasparyan2523]

English is probably his third or fourth language. He didn't grow up in Russia.

[@BMessemer]

This was absolutely phenomenal.

[@romrom3254]

Beautiful mind... Russia is sick and Kasparov could be madicine but he left Russia to not being jailed or killed like his friend Boris Nemtsov

[@kamakirinoko]

Such a good guy. And so fucking smart. Faster than a warp drive and deeper than the Marianas Trench.

[@sskdeshmukh]

Best wishes from India

[@yannickletourneau7231]

We learned today that AlphaZero was able to defeat the strongest chess engine Stockfish, while evaluating a lot less variations per second (80 thousands vs 70 millions). In that context, one can think the AlphaGo team member asking a question @26:50 regarding human intuition vs brute force approach of a traditional chess engine probably already knew the answer :) I believe human "intuition" towards problem solving is merely a manifestation of the energy&time efficiency of our brains. It is more efficient to have a 1st pass that skims the variations pool for most promising candidates, and then evaluate only those in more detail. Our brain is fundamentally lazy :)

[@snippletrap]

AlphaGo's and AlphaZero's intuition were developed by brute force. They were pre-trained on millions of random games. The online version of the engine needed to consider fewer variations, only because of all the work that had been done before.

[@trungtiennguyendang7624]

​@@snippletrap the challenge for machine is still there, how can human learn to gain such good intuition with much less "training"?

[@gsmclient932]

Great man that let express his emotions Magnificent

[@LongTail8443]

Oh gosh, my favorite guys are here together. I love English so much.

[@jravindranath8345]

Wonderful and worth watching by every student

[@Magne-ficent]

You're right Gary. Kids now are super strong

[@markrobbinson239]

kasparov doesn't open the door, the outsmarts physics with his 16 move plan that opens the door up for him

[@petersiegfriedkrug]

When normal people start to calculate moves, Kasparov already calculated a whole tree of variants.

[@flaviojusto51]

Brilliant mind and personality.

[@joseantonio-ui7hg]

a machine just give answers but everything begins with a question,the most important in the knowlege is not the answer but the question¡¡¡¡ so true¡¡¡¡

[@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude]

thats the beauty of questions

[@distrologic2925]

People are only looking at computers to find answers instead of thinking for themselves. That is so true.

[@dgontar]

16:35 Increasing the speed of learning is a notable pedagogical issue. I wonder if the general concept he is illustrating there could be applied to other fields.

[@MrSupernova111]

I would have loved to attend this presentation.

[@Utroll]

you just somehow did :)

[@TheDarthsphincter]

29:53 he could see 15 full moves ahead

[@XOPOIIIO]

His english level is amazing.

What a great talk! This guy deserves way more visibility and respect than he gets.

[@jeffreyrichardson]

gary kasparov international business machine unbeaten

[@ZachBelcher94]

"you look at this position and you say, this smells" - Garry Kasparov

[@emilianstoimenov737]

So interesting rewatching these interviews from 2022. Just a few months later DeepMind would publish the first paper on AlphaZero, which could mean that during this interview Demis probably already had the results published in that paper, or the team was in the middle of developing AlphaZero. Makes you see this interview in a different light.

[@Kitcomedy]

and garry was prophetically correct, alphazero cannot match stockfishs brute strength

[@bruceperez2283]

Gary is analyzing and answering questions like making chess moves.

[@vazquezb2011]

I wonder if Kasparov was aware that Demis Hassabis was once the second strongest under 14 chess player in the world (Elo rating 2300), behind Judit Polgar...

[@ivan6navi]

Dah

[@neil351]

vazquezb2011 judit polgar not even close with kasparov but her sister can be a match with him

[@cornerstonefencecompanyser8680]

he is a 2239 rated FIDE Canditate Master

[@CGoody564]

Zoust you are aware judit doesn't fall under the under 14 category, and this statement was referencing years prior? And she has beaten kasparov previously.

[@whitenightf3]

My son beat his brother George who was rated number one at the time in England.

[@myronhelton4441]

The computer that beat him studied his moves. He never studied the computers moves.

[@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude]

even his all generations can not study all, commputers moves has figured it out😆

[@malegupta8404]

thanks for the information

[@rasikeattana7970]

Greats Chess player of all time.

[@mirzamirza7878]

Well it's curious but i have more admiration for Demis Hassabis than for Garry Kasparov. Hassabis is a real genius in every matter, not only chess. He's a great player of many games AND one of the best scientist. Hassabis is very useful for the future. Kasparov is just a gamer.

[@rajeshrai5208]

kasparov is just a gamer. like einstein is just a scientist.

[@mlliarm]

Kasparov meets Hassabis. OMG !!! Amazing :D

[@mirzamirza7878]

Finally one who care about Hassabis :) Seriously, it's an honour for Kasparov to meet such a brillant brain ;)

[@bengski68]

Kasparov has a very interesting accent

[@1man1bike1road]

his ego was his problem, the program had no ego, Garry played into a complex position on purpose and paid the price in the last game. Kramnik has a better style for computer matches but my phone could beat kasparov now

[@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude]

even own phone can beat any players ..... this is called science advancement

[@elimalinsky7069]

In 1997, you needed a supercomputer crunching raw numbers with brute force calculations to even challenge a grandmaster. In 2017, all you need is an average off-the-shelf laptop with the latest chess engine installed to defeat any grandmaster, simply using clever algorithms instead of raw computational power.

[@jean-marcfueri6678]

True. But Deep Blue was not only brute force but programming techniques and heuristics have beem greatly improved since then. Also DB could calculate 200million pos/sec which you couldn't get close to with a home computer back then. Now even my old 8 cores/16 threads calculate 15/20 million position/sec. Stockfish on a regular laptop would beat DB no problem.

[@renhoek3851]

He would make a fantastic football manager

[@的天空绿色]

Actually, the true legend here is Demis Hassabis. What he's done with AlphaFold for the proteins is really unbelievable.

[@klausgartenstiel4586]

"it's happening. we just have to adjust."

[@RineshAndrews]

Candid one

[@alexabdulkader7423]

Fascinating and inspiring! What do the thumbs down mean????

[@aranelsarenac7779]

is that David Silver @ 28:10 ? His RI course is awesome :)

[@malegupta8404]

outstanding yaar mazaa aa gya kasparov is alwaays the great.

[@anand92utkarsh]

The solution to the final question asked by the man in the front about elimination of brute force, is already present in the method of genetic algorithms. Well I guess that's what the interviewer meant when he pointed that self learning systems don't use brute force.

[@eddiemarin2984]

So nobody is going to mention that the interviewer literally has the Cleveland brown laugh

[@ramkumarr1725]

Kasparov is in. RPA. Accepted ML. ❤

[@MrNitisharya]

Alphazero, playing with black, losing to stockfish, does show that in a rule based chess boardgame, its self learned techniques can be defeated much more if greater number of searches per decision is used by stockfish..

[@genericusername4206]

that happened because of the opening it was a losing opening for black if played by perfect chess players

[@genericusername4206]

Alphazero won when it played as white against stockfish with the same opening

[@giovannidistasi6416]

Humans are general purpose machines. Machines, on the other hand, can specialize very deeply in a specific task. There's not point in trying to resist.

[@Rimpelmans]

And now Alpha Zero crushed Stockfish with some amazing chess. Very interesting video, I am happy this ended up in my suggestion list.

[@EPSTomcat11]

Kasparov the type of guy who tells you what time it is for when you ask him 12 years later

[@marcelox2325]

Deep Blue was a fish. But Libratus seems the shark to be feared.

[@mariusandries4103]

13:54 Amazing said.

[@wingzacademy369]

Sheer Genius in action. Excellent speech what an energy and language

[@davidcopson5800]

English not even his mother tongue.

[@kev_mclernon_family_channe4745]

The kids question is still the best of the best!!

[@davidwilkie9551]

Expert opinion, and it's constructive.