Defeating the Race Baiters with Freddie Sayers

Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
This is a recording of a live event that I did in London with Freddie Sayers. Freddie is the former editor-in-chief of YouGov, the founder of Politics Home, and the executive editor of UnHerd, which is a great publication you should all be reading.
So Freddie ran this conversation, and we covered lots of ground. We talk about American race politics. We discuss the legacy of Black Lives Matter. We talk about how to tackle divisive, race-centered ideologies. I really enjoyed this conversation, and you'll hear that the crowd did too. For whatever reason, I was quite a bit funnier here than I usually am. So that's always good. I hope you all enjoy this as much as I did.
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[@ColemanHughesOfficial]

Thanks for watching my latest episode. Let me know your thoughts and opinions down below in a comment. If you like my content and want to support me, consider becoming a paying member of the Coleman Unfiltered Community here --> bit.ly/3B1GAlS

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Does it bother you that racists like your content? Have you ever considered why that is?

[@mel9836]

The sad piece is your frame of reference. In your 20s from a privileged background in one of the richest areas of NJ and you allow it to narrow your lens to the degree anyone of a certain age who respects your intellectual bravery has to dismiss your critiques as they often are grounded in such a finite time and place they do not match up to the reality of anyone non-adjacent to your anecdotal lived experience. Best to you Coleman.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@mel9836 I have to agree. The question is, does he know what he is doing? Helping to prop up the establishment (white supremacy)

[@ondolite3789]

@@mel9836 Best to who??!!

[@ondolite3789]

@@invisiblespeedrc Yes.

[@brentp5591]

As a fan for several years, I have observed you continuing to develop your mastery of communicating with thoughtful nuance that belies your age. I appreciate your honesty and sincerity. It's conversations like this that will literally save humanity from the dull minded cancer of tribalism.

[@AidenMarcelle887]

Hi Coleman, I wanted to thank you for all the work you do. Especially the liberal ideals you maintain. Something the leftist ideology has abandoned. The tide is turning and when the dust settles, you’ll be remembered as one of the brave ones that continued to champion the anti-woke path.

[@ablackgoliath1827]

He'll be known for what he is: A rationaliser and apologist for practitioners of white supremacy.

[@christianstewart8442]

"Quite a bit funnier than I usually am" -- makes me think of the time Ibram Kendi said he won't debate you because you're not a professor and you said "ok, so this is hilarious 😐" completely straight faced. Still makes me laugh.

[@LMarkWeeks]

Amazing conversation. Coleman’s thinking aligns with mine but he is far more articulate at expressing his views.

[@01What10]

Love this crossover. Both Coleman and Freddie were fantastic as always. Great questions as well, and Coleman was hitting them out of the park! Congrats on the Signal Award, Coleman. You deserve it.

[@davidnefesh]

Coleman, you're a shining light for reason, goodwill, and sincere, analytical and evidence-based exchanges of ideas. Keep up the good work! Blessings from Detroit, Michigan.

[@OlTrailDog]

My wife was a Korean immigrant. My cultural heritage came from Switzerland a generation ago. If I'm interested, I phrase my question as "What is your ethnic or cultural ancestry or heritage?" I do so because I'm interested in the cultural factors that may have been important in their perspectives.

[@mikegray8776]

Seems a somewhat “wordy” ice-breaker ? Profoundly so, for a very casual acquaintance.

[@VisenyaAtoms]

Asking that question at all tends to be viewed as racist if you're white and they're not. "You noticed I'm brown so now you're trying to single me out as if I'm some other." It's ridiculous.

[@ondolite3789]

@@VisenyaAtoms Yoo R disgusting.

[@ondolite3789]

@@mikegray8776 🎯

[@ondolite3789]

What is your point.

[@rustyshackleford3409]

Fantastic conversation. Thank you for bringing calm and sanity to this topic.

[@snowbunny783]

I really appreciate your perspective and have found myself agreeing with most if not all of the things you’ve said over the year or so I’ve been watching your podcast. It would be so refreshing if yours, John McWhorter and Glen Loury’s voices were more represented in the msm since I do believe that most Americans and really people in general agree with your collective stance on race relations, equity and inclusion. Cheers.

[@rajwant04]

Listened to it while you had the conversation on Freddie's show. Candid and awesome as usual! Keep it up Coleman!

[@WigganNuG]

31:10 SAVAGE! The way he delivered and held the poker face through the joke! Coleman you were on you're game for sure that night! You're getting sharper and sharper every day. Never stop honing that rhetorical craft! There are few people with sharper tongues then Sam Harris, but you keep it up and you're be vying for the top spot ;)

[@roxee57]

Great comment about treating politics & ethics differently than the rest of our wider cultural mixtures.

[@hannahcerutti3110]

Always love to see a post from you, Coleman! Thanks for staying balanced, curious and open-minded.

[@13olibrown]

Bravo! I'm a Brit and a big fan. Wish I could have been there!

[@joestergios6557]

Two of my favorite commentators in one excellent conversation. I especially appreciate Coleman's "Skin in the Game" point.

[@kevinmccabe7263]

I think one thing that societies have forgotten is that the majority of people are still in the middle with Coleman, just rational people of all races who think critically about issues instead of just following political dogma. We need the middle majority to take back control in the US and push bipartisan ideas like "color blindness" as opposed to extremists pushing for equity (an idea which sounds good on paper but inevitably ends up producing racist policies).

[@godzillamegatron3590]

I doubt it most people in the USA still live in segregated communities. Maybe the people who live in large USA can get passed race. But most Americans will fall back to their stereotypes of groups of people outside their race.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

@@godzillamegatron3590 gibberish

[@kevinmccabe7263]

@@godzillamegatron3590 This is a pretty broad statement, I don't agree with it. Yes most neighborhoods still are disproportionately one race or another, but that doesn't mean that the people in those neighborhoods don't know people from different races. And even if they didn't it doesn't mean that they'll stereotype everyone based off of race. Honestly your statement is a pretty awful thing to assume of people.

[@godzillamegatron3590]

@@kevinmccabe7263 you said the middle majority should take back the USA? Who is the middle majority? From perspective. I see the USA progressing at a steady state, and we are slowly respecting people individual rights.

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

Nah, a majority are racist. More people voted for Brexit than those who didn't, to keep the blacks and Arabs out. That is the majority.

[@helenbeach5581]

Congratulations on the Signal award, Coleman! Great news!

[@susancoughlin222]

Great program, enjoy listening to both of you.

[@thecommonword6996]

Encouraging to hear from people like Coleman.

[@benp4877]

Great job, Coleman. Very exciting crossover of two of my favorite channels.

[@robertdove6660]

Intersectionality means all the social and cultural groups, as defined by it, can not relate to one another and so much just support each other in their grievances. Absolute abeyance. If there is a problem between groups, it takes a High Priest or Priestess of CRT to work it out. CRT wants everyone convinced they cannot relate to other groups so they can be the arbiters of their religion.

[@benbunyip]

I think that’s right. And if CRT is correct, doesn’t this implicitly mean that multi-racial societies can’t work and that immigration leads to conflict? Will CRT encourage white supremacists, anti-immigration, and serious bigotry?

[@robertdove6660]

@@benbunyip I believe that is a possibility depending on the region. Here in Texas, immigration is part of life, and it is far more mixed racial groups than most places. So...not likely in Texas. Everywhere North, more so. CRT is Marxism. The end goal is not Diversity, Inclusion and Equity. It is revolution, obfuscation of societal morals/ethics and obtainment of power. Marx insisted that society must be turned upside down. He wanted to destroy the nuclear family. BLM posts the same thing on their website. It is all Marxism. Marx didn't care about anything accept REVOLUTION. Two books available on Audible, Race Marxism and The Devil and Carl Marx. CRT is the neo-neo-neo-neo Marxism. And anything with "Critical" in its name is Marxism. This happened in the 1930s. It keeps failing, so they just change tactics, not the ultimate goal. Best of luck to you.

[@robertdove6660]

@@benbunyip I believe there are more intelligent people in the world than know better. I do think though that overall this is a good thing. People from the Left are moving Right, and Right moving Left. I'll will be honest, I have never met a white supremacist, but have known racists. Everyone has I am sure. Unfortunately, to be anti-white now is trendy. This whole CRT links directly to Marxism. Race Marxism is available on Audible, I highly recommend it.

[@serpentines6356]

That's a very good explanation. Thanks for clarifying. 😁

[@fcheung2888]

Thank you. For this and everything that you do.

[@znicky365]

Brilliant interview.. Thank you for your amazing work, Coleman. Can't wait for your book!

[@johnyoung1761]

Coleman, you are super in this discussion. Got me thinking some more. Freddie wants us all to come to the same conclusions and take the same actions, so your question of "who is we" to me questions that. Anyway, you WERE more funny than usual, and I enjoyed seeing that!

[@ElizabethDohertyThomas]

Amazing - listened to the whole thing and was highly rewarded with the ironic category of your Podcast award.

[@satutaiminmaki8961]

Such a delightful intelligent deep and warm discussion. Loved every minute of it. My favourites in the world - the Britts and mr. C. Hughes

[@mogznwaz]

❤️🇬🇧

[@vaguelyvagrant9694]

Fantastic conversation. Can't wait for Coleman's book.

[@clownhands]

Hey Coleman, just found your channel. Super high quality. Subbed!

[@garyweglarz]

Thank you both.

[@stacypastry2440]

There are also many more black podcasters of lesser education that are learning about these topics while we watch. It is very hopeful to see the scales lifted from their eyes.

[@Cynnas]

That black women was totally irresponsible in her reporting the incident. She was fully dressed in traditional African clothing which is why the old woman assumed she was from there.

[@brentwells8963]

I’m so glad I saw you on the Glenn Greenwald show. I love your content and honesty in general.

[@coreyfisher2542]

Brilliant. That was good stuff my man.

[@Tennesse_jed]

You sir are a breath of fresh air in a polluted society.

[@brangrah1717]

Coleman is the man!

[@marilinemariline9556]

Congratulation Coleman I realy like what you said.

[@good_ant]

Coleman at his best. We (collective humanity) are lucky to have him publicly sharing his thinking.

[@blockrockingbeats]

Great show Coleman - was slightly surprised that you were the only black person there, talking about race to a completely white audience :)

[@michaelrush6083]

Great conversation loved it !

[@MonaMarMag]

The task of the school is to teach children independent thinking and develop abilities of individual students . Not indoctrination .

[@missygoldstein12]

Voices like yours restore my faith in humanity. I had 2 situations I think are worth sharing. 1. I went on a trip with a longtime friend. We shared a room to save money. My friend gushed over how wonderful the man who made up our room was. I barely noticed as I felt that he was just doing his job. Then she noticed that the one cloth towel made into an elephant was placed on my pillow and not hers and how quite clearly this was because of race. I thought are you kidding??? He had no idea which of the.2 beds we slept in. But my friend who only a day earlier was singing this guy's praises was now fully convinced he was racist.of course there are plenty in instances of racism but I don't think this was one of them. 2. I was out in the city (new York) and a few men chatted up me and my friend out on the street. One of the men said "`where are you from? I said new York he said no I mean where are you from? I said um and told him where my grandparents came from. Then he said again no I mean what ARE you? I knew he was trying to learn my ethnicity. I asked are you trying to find out if I'm Jewish? He said yes. I said yes. Then he says oh yeahhhhh the nose. As though he was making polite conversation. I was disgusted by him and felt rightly so. It was out of line even though it appeared he was not intending to be racist just ignorant. IMHO it is absurd to be offended if someone asks where you're from and yes that question normally comes right after name and what do you do for s living. Context does matter and those who say it doesn't are not acting in good faith

[@KBella2324]

Thank you for sharing this insightful interview.

[@seanjohnbull1670]

As an African, let me explain where that name Ngozi Fulani comes from. The first name, Ngozi, is a name of the Ibo tribe of Nigeria, who mainly live in the South-eastern parts of Nigeria. Fulani, on the other hand, is a tribe (much like Ibo of the East or Yoruba of the West) in the northern parts of Nigeria. People don't usually go by the the name of a tribe. It just doesn't happen. And I should know, I am from Nigeria. Lastly, people of the East and North don't usually intermarry amongst themselves, as there's an unspoken animosity between the two people group. So that name itself is an anomaly. It doesn't work. Shame on her.

[@serpentines6356]

I highly recommend watching Ayaan Hirsi Ali's, "The Market for Victimhood" on KZbin. I think she speaks quite articulately regarding these issues in the U.S.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

a lot of people don't believe in interracial marriages, nor do they believe in marrying outside of their particular tribe or religion. Unfortunately, the degenerate West is beginning to lose their identity and this allows all sorts of crazy notions to seep into society like transgenderism and gay marriage.

[@fern10011]

Wonderful podcast, thanks Coleman!

[@stefan9112]

This was great, though I prefered the audio on Freddie's version 😉

[@MegOkuraJazz]

I can't wait to read Coleman Hughes' book.

[@juliocorrea2552]

Awesome conversation

[@stacypastry2440]

Coleman and Freddie, great combination!

[@dominicscott9145]

Great video!

[@RLSteve]

God damn it! Freddie Sayers is SO HANDSOME!!

[@WigganNuG]

Coleman is hot AF too bro! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@carlpolen7437]

Love Coleman. One clarification I'd like to make regarding his statement that after BLM the single largest homicide spike in the black community occurred is that it was very clearly/emphatically/statistically... NOT white poeple killing black people. It was black men killing black people. Current crime numbers put black men at about 300% more like to commit murder, about 500% more likely to commit violent physical assault, and about 300% more likely to commit rape than white men. This is according to both federal and state crime statistics all throughout the United States. These aren't small numbers or small differences. They are simply massive. And yet, if you consume any large corporate media, for the most part, this is NEVER mentioned. Insanity. To speak about this reality has become utterly taboo. Dangerous even. I am nervous even writing this... and yet EVERY single study done on actual crime numbers confirms what I stated above.

[@carlpolen7437]

To clarify: The majority of black male Americans are emphatically NOT murderers, or violent, or rapisits. They simply aren't. The vast majority of black men want what white men want, or asian men want. They want to have meaning in their lives. Make enough money to support themselvs and their families. To be respected. It is important that, when throwing numbers around, like I did above, we keep such things firmly in mind. The majority of black men are not violent. But a noticeably higher percentage of black men ARE violent as compared to white men... and, in my opinion, when you have solid evidence to back up your claims, saying such a thing isn't racist.

[@MonaMarMag]

School should be an institution not ivolved in any way in political world the same as any other state instytution like for example hospitals , offices , courts , police , tv programs ( specially so - called news ) and of course religion .

[@toe_fans]

Fantastic

[@renayitz]

What I learned from BLM is the more important idea that all lives matter. Because non-black lives matter no less than black, and all individuals should be treated with respect in all interactions and equally under the law.

[@ForeverYoungKickboxer]

Please come speak at the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission.

[@serpentines6356]

Invite him! Sounds good!

[@davidsprouse151]

Jim Crow Laws ended in the 1960's how can you argue that the statute of limitations is up? But you have to very carefully measure the damages and who was damaged and by whom If those ideas are too loosey goosey it wont fly. It can be done.

[@hagathacrusty8995]

in my culture(maori) its customary to go into great about detail where you are from before you even share your name. I can't think of any culture aside from the current woke one where asking where someone is from is rude.

[@serpentines6356]

That's interesting. I ask what people's ethnicity is. I am simply curious. So far, I haven't had a problem. I am quite disgusted by the "wokey" insanity.

[@JC_inc]

21:27 would Freddie Sayers have asked the same question to Jews who’ve change their names, from Jewish sounding to Western European ones? I don’t think so.

[@rickpur100]

Studies show a clear, straight-line relationship between individual increases in scholastic achievement and b**** acquisition.

[@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232]

How bizarre not to question why uprisings against in justice should lead to worse consequences for the black community. How odd not to see this as an echo of the overseers retribution for the uppity slave who spoke out in the Amala of history. How bizarre to put this consequence on the shoulders of a movement with almost no infrastructure statewide. How diz are not to worry that that consequence is a way anger gets silence so no real material and financial re-balance is enacted. No addressing of the fundamental poverty of majority black communities who have been disadvantage and in fact taken advantage of for generations, as cheap labour and scapegoats for their own situation .

[@m4inline]

For me living in a country outside of the Anglosphere, I feel that the whole debate is the USA exporting its domestic problems as part of its cultural expansion.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

20:07 I really wish Coleman had explained how someone could be pro-US and pro-Taliban.

[@name-vi6fs]

I'm pretty much the whitest person alive, aside from a ginger, and people always ask me where I'm from when they meet me. I always become offended by the question.

[@serpentines6356]

I ask people what their ethnicity is, and if I hear an accent I try to guess where they are from, or ask them. I don't know why anyone would get offended. So far, people are fine when I ask them. No biggie. I am just curious. If you are the "whitest" that would be an Albino.

[@ts4426]

If true, you should get over it for your mental health.

[@name-vi6fs]

@@ts4426 /s

[@12lb.toothbrush11]

The descendants of every Union soldier who died or was wounded severely in the Civil War should be paid pain, suffering and income lost because of the fight against slavery … then let’s talk.

[@NanakiRowan]

Why? Their descendants still reap the rewards of being white in America.

[@asmrjeweler9237]

Studies show that a police force would have to lose around 13 police officers in order to increase the homicide rate by one person per year. Did police forces decrease by that much to be a main driver in the homicide spike?

[@littlecatfeet9064]

I had heard 20% of their ranks in some cities like LA and Portland.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

18:59 What happened to the Harry comment?

[@martinjohnson5498]

21:30-re Ngozi Fulani, I have read where the confusion would have been real because she combines a tribal name and a Muslim name, a combination which you would not find in the real world.

[@CaptainPhilosophical]

Never engage with master baiters.

[@woodchipgardens9084]

Do Albinos in Tanzania get white privilege also

[@marktyler3381]

You can't have it both ways. Never ask an Uber driver where they are from. Ask them where they live. I have had many conversations with Uber drivers about global geopolitics. They are generally far more savvy than the white locals. It's weird that a white English guy and Pakistani taxi drivers agree 95%. But that's the way it is.

[@Salamander407]

Just rationale folks!

[@kevinmccabe7263]

It's rare these days!

[@mak7587]

What if someone asked “I wonder if the baby will have red hair“. Would that be bad?

[@lynnej.9357]

Your question reminds me of a Tim Minchin song.

[@serpentines6356]

Why would that be bad? Curious wondering is just normal. People must be really bored if they make a big stink about such things.

[@myrahouse2368]

I’m jutted what this woke racebaiting movement how it has negatively affected all colours. It’s tragic….

[@projectsjh1629]

Good show. In Europe, I just ask where you're from. In the WOKE U.S., I now say, "My accent is from New York City, but actually I'm now from Munich. And you?" With the exception of one obese white lady who snarled "None of your f. . .ing business," answers have always been friendly, often interesting. Sense of guilt -- in St. Louis I once met a stunning chemical engineer who told me she wished her finance, an orthopedic surgeon, would not brag (!) about his family's having owned slaves in Virginia. She said she knew there had been rare black families who had owned slaves, but thought he was wildly exaggerating how many his family had had and for how long. Yes, they were both black. Interestingly, he virulently hated ALL whites, the devil incarnate. That was not a deal breaker for her, but when he insisted she give up her job to be a proper housewife as soon as they got married, she broke the engagement to accept a position in Texas.

[@sedgieroobets]

This is great, but maybe the speakers need also to attract a younger demographic to these discussions?

[@WigganNuG]

Yea, I'm afraid some of that audience may not be with us anymore!!

[@annarocha3254]

You can't force people to come. How would they go about that? I have a feeling they aren't fans of being gimmicky.

[@vinegarpisser2992]

25:38

[@marktyler3381]

Ah, the DEI guy who makes 90k a year? Nice work if you can get it.

[@Saidoromo2024]

He is next the #christopherhitchens maybe 😅

[@serpentines6356]

Soon after the Floyd incident, I read someone mentioning the Tony Timpa incident. I was afraid to watch the whole thing, but I did. The whole incident was still on KZbin. (Maybe it still is, don't know?). It was so sickening, and heartbreaking. The thing that really made it even more disturbing was that the cops (or, some of them?) laughed a bit afterwards when they found out he was dead. All those cops should have gotten life for what they did, and for being so sadistic to actually chuckle about it. (I was too upset to look up the legal case about it). The "race" issue never came up in the George Floyd Trial. It wasn't about "race."

[@ablackgoliath1827]

Isn't it curious how RWers, and Liberal white ppl in particular, adore a black person who is willing to confirm overt anti black racism is simply black over sensitivity. Coleman always selectively emphasises specific aspects of a context where certain statements are made. For example when the "Where do you come from?" question is made Coleman & Co fail to acknowledge that historically it has been said to imply the diaspora African born in Europe (for example) doesn't belong in Europe simply because they are not 'White' yet White Africans never have to face this assumptions. The comments about the woman who changed her name is also disingenuous. I know of 'Sean's' and 'Sheila's' who are black but no one would assume they were Irish. Why would anyone assume a black person was from Africa just because of their name? For someone who insists he is about exploring/sharing the full picture to come to a conclusion he failed to do so at any point here.

[@avbhinaya]

I do understand where you coming from but the fundamental question that black lives matter raised was not at all raised in this discussion. I was pretty surprised that the idea of "life" is being discussed in terms of reductive binary of being alive and dead. The focus should be rather on state of black people lives currently vis-a-vis other races in US. Almost everyday predominantly black youths involvement in brazen crime come out in cctv and smart phones captured videos. Why these youths who are US citizens not only blacks are heavily engaged in such criminal acts in blatant manner? Why humans of any races acts in such manner while being citizens of most powerful nation on earth? Hope you're not becoming Samuel Jackson of Quentin Tarantino.

[@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232]

And yes conversation must be open and between adults and questioning is fine but how very very bizarre to worry that white people might feel disenfranchised and get angry while…. Essentially saying the anger of black people was in some way unhelpful? It was a nuanced conversation but also not a truly useful one as it presumes that black people aught to feel equal when they have been systematically treated unequally . White anger is in fact a more terrifying proposition because it has more hands on the strings of power and more material tools with which to enact and voice that anger while black people have the threat of their physical violence that archetypally terrifies white people and white power but is no match to systems of control that we all live within. I truly love Freddie but this is not a good enough voice to represent the complex feelings and realities of black people. This is a remarkably pandering conversation and I’ve only managed to get part of the way through it. Though I will listen to it thoroughly when I have more time. Maybe I’ll even take notes but so far all I’ve thought is wow this feels a bit lopsided.

[@shellyshelly9218]

Hughes's proposition that 'sincere' Marxist communists killed millions is a real slur on Marx, who would have completely rejected the regimes set up in his name. This was a silly culture war canard more typical of Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson. Otherwise a very good conversation.

[@extanegautham8950]

yeah, not exactly funny, which is odd for a kid from jersey....but then maybe your parents were engineers or philosophers?

[@marktyler3381]

You have an American accent.id assume that you are American.

[@gtgirlxx9416]

This conversation went the way I thought it would, and ultimately, it's a group of like-minded people generally agreeing with each other: that the "other side" are all race baiters. The tone of this conversation, the unnecessarily snarky, sarcastic air, primarily from the host, makes it hard to believe that he believes in a "good faith" conversation about this topic. This is part of the reason why many black people like myself can relate to at least the title of Reni Eddo-Lodge's book "why I'm no longer talking to white people about race", completely disengage from the conversation about race and focus on elevating black people in Africa and the diaspora without the input of white people or anyone else for that matter. The conversation largely tends to be disingenuous and doesn't seem to progress past "let's agree to disagree". Would be nice for Coleman to have a conversation with real black intellectuals who appear to be representative of "the other side" of this debate. Not the Kendi's.

[@MrPeterbs]

So who gets to decide who 'real black intellectuals' are? Do you mean people like Coates (who Coleman has debated) ? And Critical Race Theory followers aren't ' a group of liked minded people generally agreeing with each other'?

[@slaphappybullet]

Yes I felt similarly. I appreciate Coleman’s reasoning, but it fell short of having the full picture. His criticisms of BLM as a movement and tangible benefits of the protests can’t be dismissed. However, if we think back to the civil rights movement, MLK became a historical figure because he had a clear and obtainable objective: end segregation. That isn’t to say that he believed in any way that would solve everything, but rather, he was aware that tangible steps such as ending segregation was the only way to truly create unity. With BLM, there was no clear objective that people could act on and support to create change. Everything got muddied with intense feelings with no clear goal to get behind and funnel it into. While ideas were discussed and argued over, nothing ever rose to the top as the objective of it all. It only ever remained as a sentiment. So to call all of it a failure is disingenuous because it may simply be a case study of how everyone being so connected online may allow people to be more aware of things, but also may contribute to so many voices talking that there’s too much noise to build something substantial in terms of a movement. Taking the latter into account, I feel as though BLM cannot simply be looked at through the lens of failed protests, but rather a lesson in the times we live in and how we must be even more steadfast and clear about what changes we want.

[@serpentines6356]

@@slaphappybullet BLM is a neo-Marxist pile of destructive junk. That's what leftism is about. Destruction. I certainly saw nothing positive come out of the so called "protests", riots.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

At this point please stop pretending any of this is organic. We have literal receipts.

[@FlawlessP401]

There is no middle ground we will not be entertaining these people this is not an acceptable belief system

[@emalee8366]

You come across as an extremist with terrible writing skills. Start with punctuation, eh?

[@adrianl7147]

I have no idea who you are referring to

[@lampad4549]

@@adrianl7147 the jews

[@kevinmccabe7263]

@Flawless, I think you're missing the point of these videos. Coleman is representing the majority of people who aren't extremists on the right or the left. You're half right in rejecting woke ideology, but I think you view this as a war which is not. We need rational people in the middle to retake control and promote the bipartisan ideas like color blindness to push out the racist ideas like equity and restorative justice.

[@williamfortune9954]

I’m not sure Freddie’s intentions. Saying the woman is not African shows ignorance.

[@hermitpermit2553]

I think youre reading into it too much. For example i was born in new zealand, my ancestors are irish ,english, Scandinavian scottish and welsh and ancient germanic...but i am none of those things because i wasnt born or raised in the culture - my fathers an immigrant and i was exposrd to his culture which was not the exact same as nz culture but i cant say that i am from his culture. The lady hes talking about isnt from africa, neither were her recent ancestors. She has more in common culturally with brittish people also raised in uk and uk white folks than black Africans in Africa despite her ancestral dna. She has adopted an african name and learnt about the culture to get closer to an identity she feels she has lost.... Still doesnt make her a nigerian just like i'm not culturally what my dna is.

[@williamfortune9954]

@@hermitpermit2553 I hear you valid point. However my personal opinion and it has changed to deny having African ancestry or claiming Africa would be the biggest of disgrace to our ancestors. There is a difference in perspective and in mine him saying your not African is because of his ignorance. In your point that’s like me saying you don’t have Irish etc ancestors and mocking you for saying you do.

[@williamfortune9954]

@@hermitpermit2553 also you make another valid point that does not make her Nigerian Africa is a continent.

[@hermitpermit2553]

@@williamfortune9954 no it isnt the same. She has african ancestors and she is african like i am european dna wise however culturally she is not african and i am not culturally european. That is what he meant. She is brittish culturally, there are people whose ancestors come from all over who are brittish culturally. No one is trying to deny her of her ancestry or call or white or something.. But she has adopted the culture in the sense that she was not raised in the culture and neither were her recent ancestors. She has more in common with brittish people than nigerians. Its sad that skin colour /phenotypical differences can make people think otherwise. You can tell me im not culturally irish or culturally european and it would be true. You cant tell me i dont have irish or european ancestry as that is incorrect.

[@hermitpermit2553]

@@williamfortune9954 yea shes given herself a nigerian name ironically named after a tribe that were slave owners and brutal to other tribes

[@huskypup3489]

Coleman says, "No, being brought to one of the best countries on Earth would not count as reparations." He doesn't say why. All one has to do is run the counterfactual to slavery: Your ancestors were not brought to America, and now, assuming you are alive at all, you live in Africa. Are you better off?

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

I assume he didn't make the counter argument because it slipped his mind. But I understand why he disagreed with it, using that same reasoning that the Japanese Americans who were placed in internment camps against their will during WWII were granted reparations for that unjust crime. If we are to use that same logic and that logic alone and applied consistently, we wouldn't have granted them squat! And remember, they weren't allowed to bring any of their possessions with them into the internment camps, so they had to sell everything they owned at like 90% discounts.

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

Plus, I don't know you so I don't know if you have ever heard of Marc Lamont Hill, he is the host of a KZbin show called Black news tonight. When he had on either Coleman or Glenn loury or Joan McWhorter, whichever one it was, they made the argument that getting reparations wouldn't actually be the solution to poverty for thirty or forty percent of black Americans. I thought this was a decent argument, but dr. Hill replied that it doesn't matter if the reparations make black people better off, it is what we are owed, I want to get what we are owed

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

So given this, your argument wouldn't persuade them at all unfortunately

[@invisiblespeedrc]

23:20 Coleman totally missing the point. The reason some people get offended when you ask them where they are from they feel like you are ”othering” them, and you make them feel like they don’t belong. Of course it’s not a bigg issue and this woman is being stupid, but for example, Finland is going through this transition now where if you see someone ”foreign looking”, now you need to speak finnish to them and assume they are Finnish, and it’s on them to correct you if they actually are not Finnish. But if you approach them thinking they aren’t, that’s the issue.

[@pajanaproductions]

Othering? What in the bloody heck does that even mean? I'm an immigrant living for over 30 years in the US. I love it when someone catches the tiny inflection of my accent and asks where I'm from. That's the start of a conversation. The start of my story. We are all "other". We all have something special to tell, and it's often tied into our homelands, races, cultures. We can't have it both ways, belonging and demanding to have our alternative cultures / heritages understood and accepted without allowing people to ask us questions about our origins.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@pajanaproductions well everyone isnt like you. If 9/10 people speak english to you and treat you like a foreigner instead of addressing you in the country’s own language and treating you like a local, maybe you would feel differently.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@pajanaproductions also you ARE an immigrant. Im talking about people who arent

[@scottmitchell1974]

@@pajanaproductions Yes! My wife is from the Caribbean and has been here 27 years and just celebrated the other day when someone picked up on her accent.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@scottmitchell1974 how is it so hard to read and understand. She is an immigrant, I am talking about people who are not, but keep being treated as if they are.

[@nigelralphmurphy2852]

for god's sake coleman, grow up. is this really all about YOU?

[@annarocha3254]

This comment makes no sense.

[@caspianhall]

Lol this is your only likeness to these people. Episode 1: racism doesn’t exist then on episode 2 the same storyline. 😂 you people truly are lost

[@LeviNotik]

It's funny how willingly you volunteer the fact of your ignorance to everyone. I can cut countless clips of Coleman saying quite explicitly and literally that "racism does exist". You obviously didn't listen to this or much else of what he has said.

[@caspianhall]

@@LeviNotik lol you people come here to be victims I know what time it is man. Just be honest

[@ForeverYoungKickboxer]

"You people"

[@IndigoDisco]

@@ForeverYoungKickboxer As bad as "my people"...

[@IndigoDisco]

@ᴄᴏʟᴇᴍᴀɴ ʜᴜɢʜᴇs Lol. Nope. The real Coleman is not a clown.