Defeating the Race Baiters with Freddie Sayers

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Coleman Hughes

Coleman Hughes

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@ColemanHughesOfficial
@ColemanHughesOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching my latest episode. Let me know your thoughts and opinions down below in a comment. If you like my content and want to support me, consider becoming a paying member of the Coleman Unfiltered Community here --> bit.ly/3B1GAlS
@invisiblespeedrc
@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын
Does it bother you that racists like your content? Have you ever considered why that is?
@M_El_11
@M_El_11 Жыл бұрын
The sad piece is your frame of reference. In your 20s from a privileged background in one of the richest areas of NJ and you allow it to narrow your lens to the degree anyone of a certain age who respects your intellectual bravery has to dismiss your critiques as they often are grounded in such a finite time and place they do not match up to the reality of anyone non-adjacent to your anecdotal lived experience. Best to you Coleman.
@invisiblespeedrc
@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын
@@M_El_11 I have to agree. The question is, does he know what he is doing? Helping to prop up the establishment (white supremacy)
@ondolite3789
@ondolite3789 Жыл бұрын
@@M_El_11 Best to who??!!
@ondolite3789
@ondolite3789 Жыл бұрын
@@invisiblespeedrc Yes.
@brentp5591
@brentp5591 Жыл бұрын
As a fan for several years, I have observed you continuing to develop your mastery of communicating with thoughtful nuance that belies your age. I appreciate your honesty and sincerity. It's conversations like this that will literally save humanity from the dull minded cancer of tribalism.
@AidenMarcelle887
@AidenMarcelle887 Жыл бұрын
Hi Coleman, I wanted to thank you for all the work you do. Especially the liberal ideals you maintain. Something the leftist ideology has abandoned. The tide is turning and when the dust settles, you’ll be remembered as one of the brave ones that continued to champion the anti-woke path.
@ablackgoliath1827
@ablackgoliath1827 Жыл бұрын
He'll be known for what he is: A rationaliser and apologist for practitioners of white supremacy.
@LMarkWeeks
@LMarkWeeks Жыл бұрын
Amazing conversation. Coleman’s thinking aligns with mine but he is far more articulate at expressing his views.
@davidnefesh
@davidnefesh Жыл бұрын
Coleman, you're a shining light for reason, goodwill, and sincere, analytical and evidence-based exchanges of ideas. Keep up the good work! Blessings from Detroit, Michigan.
@01What10
@01What10 Жыл бұрын
Love this crossover. Both Coleman and Freddie were fantastic as always. Great questions as well, and Coleman was hitting them out of the park! Congrats on the Signal Award, Coleman. You deserve it.
@snowbunny783
@snowbunny783 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your perspective and have found myself agreeing with most if not all of the things you’ve said over the year or so I’ve been watching your podcast. It would be so refreshing if yours, John McWhorter and Glen Loury’s voices were more represented in the msm since I do believe that most Americans and really people in general agree with your collective stance on race relations, equity and inclusion. Cheers.
@rajwant04
@rajwant04 Жыл бұрын
Listened to it while you had the conversation on Freddie's show. Candid and awesome as usual! Keep it up Coleman!
@rustyshackleford3409
@rustyshackleford3409 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic conversation. Thank you for bringing calm and sanity to this topic.
@hannahcerutti3110
@hannahcerutti3110 Жыл бұрын
Always love to see a post from you, Coleman! Thanks for staying balanced, curious and open-minded.
@OlTrailDog
@OlTrailDog Жыл бұрын
My wife was a Korean immigrant. My cultural heritage came from Switzerland a generation ago. If I'm interested, I phrase my question as "What is your ethnic or cultural ancestry or heritage?" I do so because I'm interested in the cultural factors that may have been important in their perspectives.
@mikegray8776
@mikegray8776 Жыл бұрын
Seems a somewhat “wordy” ice-breaker ? Profoundly so, for a very casual acquaintance.
@VisenyaAtoms
@VisenyaAtoms Жыл бұрын
Asking that question at all tends to be viewed as racist if you're white and they're not. "You noticed I'm brown so now you're trying to single me out as if I'm some other." It's ridiculous.
@ondolite3789
@ondolite3789 Жыл бұрын
@@VisenyaAtoms Yoo R disgusting.
@ondolite3789
@ondolite3789 Жыл бұрын
@@mikegray8776 🎯
@ondolite3789
@ondolite3789 Жыл бұрын
What is your point.
@WigganNuG
@WigganNuG Жыл бұрын
31:10 SAVAGE! The way he delivered and held the poker face through the joke! Coleman you were on you're game for sure that night! You're getting sharper and sharper every day. Never stop honing that rhetorical craft! There are few people with sharper tongues then Sam Harris, but you keep it up and you're be vying for the top spot ;)
@joestergios6557
@joestergios6557 Жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite commentators in one excellent conversation. I especially appreciate Coleman's "Skin in the Game" point.
@benp4877
@benp4877 Жыл бұрын
Great job, Coleman. Very exciting crossover of two of my favorite channels.
@susancoughlin222
@susancoughlin222 Жыл бұрын
Great program, enjoy listening to both of you.
@thecommonword6996
@thecommonword6996 Жыл бұрын
Encouraging to hear from people like Coleman.
@znicky365
@znicky365 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview.. Thank you for your amazing work, Coleman. Can't wait for your book!
@sauntaki8961
@sauntaki8961 Жыл бұрын
Such a delightful intelligent deep and warm discussion. Loved every minute of it. My favourites in the world - the Britts and mr. C. Hughes
@mogznwaz
@mogznwaz Жыл бұрын
❤️🇬🇧
@ElizabethDohertyThomas
@ElizabethDohertyThomas Жыл бұрын
Amazing - listened to the whole thing and was highly rewarded with the ironic category of your Podcast award.
@johnyoung1761
@johnyoung1761 Жыл бұрын
Coleman, you are super in this discussion. Got me thinking some more. Freddie wants us all to come to the same conclusions and take the same actions, so your question of "who is we" to me questions that. Anyway, you WERE more funny than usual, and I enjoyed seeing that!
@roxee57
@roxee57 Жыл бұрын
Great comment about treating politics & ethics differently than the rest of our wider cultural mixtures.
@vaguelyvagrant9694
@vaguelyvagrant9694 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic conversation. Can't wait for Coleman's book.
@clownhands
@clownhands Жыл бұрын
Hey Coleman, just found your channel. Super high quality. Subbed!
@fcheung2888
@fcheung2888 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. For this and everything that you do.
@13olibrown
@13olibrown Жыл бұрын
Bravo! I'm a Brit and a big fan. Wish I could have been there!
@helenbeach5581
@helenbeach5581 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the Signal award, Coleman! Great news!
@kevinmccabe7263
@kevinmccabe7263 Жыл бұрын
I think one thing that societies have forgotten is that the majority of people are still in the middle with Coleman, just rational people of all races who think critically about issues instead of just following political dogma. We need the middle majority to take back control in the US and push bipartisan ideas like "color blindness" as opposed to extremists pushing for equity (an idea which sounds good on paper but inevitably ends up producing racist policies).
@godzillamegatron3590
@godzillamegatron3590 Жыл бұрын
I doubt it most people in the USA still live in segregated communities. Maybe the people who live in large USA can get passed race. But most Americans will fall back to their stereotypes of groups of people outside their race.
@WinstonSmithGPT
@WinstonSmithGPT Жыл бұрын
@@godzillamegatron3590 gibberish
@kevinmccabe7263
@kevinmccabe7263 Жыл бұрын
@@godzillamegatron3590 This is a pretty broad statement, I don't agree with it. Yes most neighborhoods still are disproportionately one race or another, but that doesn't mean that the people in those neighborhoods don't know people from different races. And even if they didn't it doesn't mean that they'll stereotype everyone based off of race. Honestly your statement is a pretty awful thing to assume of people.
@godzillamegatron3590
@godzillamegatron3590 Жыл бұрын
@@kevinmccabe7263 you said the middle majority should take back the USA? Who is the middle majority? From perspective. I see the USA progressing at a steady state, and we are slowly respecting people individual rights.
@JohnSmith-hs1hn
@JohnSmith-hs1hn Жыл бұрын
Nah, a majority are racist. More people voted for Brexit than those who didn't, to keep the blacks and Arabs out. That is the majority.
@coreyfisher2542
@coreyfisher2542 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant. That was good stuff my man.
@brentwells8963
@brentwells8963 Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I saw you on the Glenn Greenwald show. I love your content and honesty in general.
@stacypastry2440
@stacypastry2440 Жыл бұрын
There are also many more black podcasters of lesser education that are learning about these topics while we watch. It is very hopeful to see the scales lifted from their eyes.
@Tennesse_jed
@Tennesse_jed Жыл бұрын
You sir are a breath of fresh air in a polluted society.
@garyweglarz
@garyweglarz Жыл бұрын
Thank you both.
@good_ant
@good_ant Жыл бұрын
Coleman at his best. We (collective humanity) are lucky to have him publicly sharing his thinking.
@missygoldstein12
@missygoldstein12 Жыл бұрын
Voices like yours restore my faith in humanity. I had 2 situations I think are worth sharing. 1. I went on a trip with a longtime friend. We shared a room to save money. My friend gushed over how wonderful the man who made up our room was. I barely noticed as I felt that he was just doing his job. Then she noticed that the one cloth towel made into an elephant was placed on my pillow and not hers and how quite clearly this was because of race. I thought are you kidding??? He had no idea which of the.2 beds we slept in. But my friend who only a day earlier was singing this guy's praises was now fully convinced he was racist.of course there are plenty in instances of racism but I don't think this was one of them. 2. I was out in the city (new York) and a few men chatted up me and my friend out on the street. One of the men said "`where are you from? I said new York he said no I mean where are you from? I said um and told him where my grandparents came from. Then he said again no I mean what ARE you? I knew he was trying to learn my ethnicity. I asked are you trying to find out if I'm Jewish? He said yes. I said yes. Then he says oh yeahhhhh the nose. As though he was making polite conversation. I was disgusted by him and felt rightly so. It was out of line even though it appeared he was not intending to be racist just ignorant. IMHO it is absurd to be offended if someone asks where you're from and yes that question normally comes right after name and what do you do for s living. Context does matter and those who say it doesn't are not acting in good faith
@robertdove6660
@robertdove6660 Жыл бұрын
Intersectionality means all the social and cultural groups, as defined by it, can not relate to one another and so much just support each other in their grievances. Absolute abeyance. If there is a problem between groups, it takes a High Priest or Priestess of CRT to work it out. CRT wants everyone convinced they cannot relate to other groups so they can be the arbiters of their religion.
@benbunyip
@benbunyip Жыл бұрын
I think that’s right. And if CRT is correct, doesn’t this implicitly mean that multi-racial societies can’t work and that immigration leads to conflict? Will CRT encourage white supremacists, anti-immigration, and serious bigotry?
@robertdove6660
@robertdove6660 Жыл бұрын
@@benbunyip I believe that is a possibility depending on the region. Here in Texas, immigration is part of life, and it is far more mixed racial groups than most places. So...not likely in Texas. Everywhere North, more so. CRT is Marxism. The end goal is not Diversity, Inclusion and Equity. It is revolution, obfuscation of societal morals/ethics and obtainment of power. Marx insisted that society must be turned upside down. He wanted to destroy the nuclear family. BLM posts the same thing on their website. It is all Marxism. Marx didn't care about anything accept REVOLUTION. Two books available on Audible, Race Marxism and The Devil and Carl Marx. CRT is the neo-neo-neo-neo Marxism. And anything with "Critical" in its name is Marxism. This happened in the 1930s. It keeps failing, so they just change tactics, not the ultimate goal. Best of luck to you.
@robertdove6660
@robertdove6660 Жыл бұрын
@@benbunyip I believe there are more intelligent people in the world than know better. I do think though that overall this is a good thing. People from the Left are moving Right, and Right moving Left. I'll will be honest, I have never met a white supremacist, but have known racists. Everyone has I am sure. Unfortunately, to be anti-white now is trendy. This whole CRT links directly to Marxism. Race Marxism is available on Audible, I highly recommend it.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
That's a very good explanation. Thanks for clarifying. 😁
@KBella2324
@KBella2324 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this insightful interview.
@brangrah1717
@brangrah1717 Жыл бұрын
Coleman is the man!
@michaelrush6083
@michaelrush6083 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation loved it !
@MegOkuraJazz
@MegOkuraJazz Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to read Coleman Hughes' book.
@seanjohnbull1670
@seanjohnbull1670 Жыл бұрын
As an African, let me explain where that name Ngozi Fulani comes from. The first name, Ngozi, is a name of the Ibo tribe of Nigeria, who mainly live in the South-eastern parts of Nigeria. Fulani, on the other hand, is a tribe (much like Ibo of the East or Yoruba of the West) in the northern parts of Nigeria. People don't usually go by the the name of a tribe. It just doesn't happen. And I should know, I am from Nigeria. Lastly, people of the East and North don't usually intermarry amongst themselves, as there's an unspoken animosity between the two people group. So that name itself is an anomaly. It doesn't work. Shame on her.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
I highly recommend watching Ayaan Hirsi Ali's, "The Market for Victimhood" on KZbin. I think she speaks quite articulately regarding these issues in the U.S.
@virtualpilgrim8645
@virtualpilgrim8645 Жыл бұрын
a lot of people don't believe in interracial marriages, nor do they believe in marrying outside of their particular tribe or religion. Unfortunately, the degenerate West is beginning to lose their identity and this allows all sorts of crazy notions to seep into society like transgenderism and gay marriage.
@blockrockingbeats
@blockrockingbeats Жыл бұрын
Great show Coleman - was slightly surprised that you were the only black person there, talking about race to a completely white audience :)
@stacypastry2440
@stacypastry2440 Жыл бұрын
Coleman and Freddie, great combination!
@marilinemariline9556
@marilinemariline9556 Жыл бұрын
Congratulation Coleman I realy like what you said.
@fern10011
@fern10011 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful podcast, thanks Coleman!
@stefan9112
@stefan9112 Жыл бұрын
This was great, though I prefered the audio on Freddie's version 😉
@RLSteve
@RLSteve Жыл бұрын
God damn it! Freddie Sayers is SO HANDSOME!!
@WigganNuG
@WigganNuG Жыл бұрын
Coleman is hot AF too bro! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Cynnas
@Cynnas Жыл бұрын
That black women was totally irresponsible in her reporting the incident. She was fully dressed in traditional African clothing which is why the old woman assumed she was from there.
@MonaMarMag
@MonaMarMag Жыл бұрын
The task of the school is to teach children independent thinking and develop abilities of individual students . Not indoctrination .
@juliocorrea2552
@juliocorrea2552 Жыл бұрын
Awesome conversation
@davidsprouse151
@davidsprouse151 Жыл бұрын
Jim Crow Laws ended in the 1960's how can you argue that the statute of limitations is up? But you have to very carefully measure the damages and who was damaged and by whom If those ideas are too loosey goosey it wont fly. It can be done.
@ForeverYoungKickboxer
@ForeverYoungKickboxer Жыл бұрын
Please come speak at the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
Invite him! Sounds good!
@UsIsr
@UsIsr Жыл бұрын
What I learned from BLM is the more important idea that all lives matter. Because non-black lives matter no less than black, and all individuals should be treated with respect in all interactions and equally under the law.
@tenpin2387
@tenpin2387 3 ай бұрын
The audience is so comfortable Laughing, this is a shame for such a serious topic
@MonaMarMag
@MonaMarMag Жыл бұрын
School should be an institution not ivolved in any way in political world the same as any other state instytution like for example hospitals , offices , courts , police , tv programs ( specially so - called news ) and of course religion .
@JonathanRossRogers
@JonathanRossRogers Жыл бұрын
18:59 What happened to the Harry comment?
@carlpolen7437
@carlpolen7437 Жыл бұрын
Love Coleman. One clarification I'd like to make regarding his statement that after BLM the single largest homicide spike in the black community occurred is that it was very clearly/emphatically/statistically... NOT white poeple killing black people. It was black men killing black people. Current crime numbers put black men at about 300% more like to commit murder, about 500% more likely to commit violent physical assault, and about 300% more likely to commit rape than white men. This is according to both federal and state crime statistics all throughout the United States. These aren't small numbers or small differences. They are simply massive. And yet, if you consume any large corporate media, for the most part, this is NEVER mentioned. Insanity. To speak about this reality has become utterly taboo. Dangerous even. I am nervous even writing this... and yet EVERY single study done on actual crime numbers confirms what I stated above.
@carlpolen7437
@carlpolen7437 Жыл бұрын
To clarify: The majority of black male Americans are emphatically NOT murderers, or violent, or rapisits. They simply aren't. The vast majority of black men want what white men want, or asian men want. They want to have meaning in their lives. Make enough money to support themselvs and their families. To be respected. It is important that, when throwing numbers around, like I did above, we keep such things firmly in mind. The majority of black men are not violent. But a noticeably higher percentage of black men ARE violent as compared to white men... and, in my opinion, when you have solid evidence to back up your claims, saying such a thing isn't racist.
@martinjohnson5498
@martinjohnson5498 Жыл бұрын
21:30-re Ngozi Fulani, I have read where the confusion would have been real because she combines a tribal name and a Muslim name, a combination which you would not find in the real world.
@rickpur100
@rickpur100 Жыл бұрын
Studies show a clear, straight-line relationship between individual increases in scholastic achievement and b**** acquisition.
@m4inline
@m4inline Жыл бұрын
For me living in a country outside of the Anglosphere, I feel that the whole debate is the USA exporting its domestic problems as part of its cultural expansion.
@JonathanRossRogers
@JonathanRossRogers Жыл бұрын
20:07 I really wish Coleman had explained how someone could be pro-US and pro-Taliban.
@dominicscott9145
@dominicscott9145 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@hagathacrusty8995
@hagathacrusty8995 Жыл бұрын
in my culture(maori) its customary to go into great about detail where you are from before you even share your name. I can't think of any culture aside from the current woke one where asking where someone is from is rude.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
That's interesting. I ask what people's ethnicity is. I am simply curious. So far, I haven't had a problem. I am quite disgusted by the "wokey" insanity.
@asmrjeweler9237
@asmrjeweler9237 Жыл бұрын
Studies show that a police force would have to lose around 13 police officers in order to increase the homicide rate by one person per year. Did police forces decrease by that much to be a main driver in the homicide spike?
@littlecatfeet9064
@littlecatfeet9064 Жыл бұрын
I had heard 20% of their ranks in some cities like LA and Portland.
@woodchipgardens9084
@woodchipgardens9084 Жыл бұрын
Do Albinos in Tanzania get white privilege also
@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232
@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232 Жыл бұрын
How bizarre not to question why uprisings against in justice should lead to worse consequences for the black community. How odd not to see this as an echo of the overseers retribution for the uppity slave who spoke out in the Amala of history. How bizarre to put this consequence on the shoulders of a movement with almost no infrastructure statewide. How diz are not to worry that that consequence is a way anger gets silence so no real material and financial re-balance is enacted. No addressing of the fundamental poverty of majority black communities who have been disadvantage and in fact taken advantage of for generations, as cheap labour and scapegoats for their own situation .
@name-vi6fs
@name-vi6fs Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty much the whitest person alive, aside from a ginger, and people always ask me where I'm from when they meet me. I always become offended by the question.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
I ask people what their ethnicity is, and if I hear an accent I try to guess where they are from, or ask them. I don't know why anyone would get offended. So far, people are fine when I ask them. No biggie. I am just curious. If you are the "whitest" that would be an Albino.
@ts4426
@ts4426 Жыл бұрын
If true, you should get over it for your mental health.
@name-vi6fs
@name-vi6fs Жыл бұрын
@@ts4426 /s
@12lb.toothbrush11
@12lb.toothbrush11 Жыл бұрын
The descendants of every Union soldier who died or was wounded severely in the Civil War should be paid pain, suffering and income lost because of the fight against slavery … then let’s talk.
@NanakiRowan
@NanakiRowan Жыл бұрын
Why? Their descendants still reap the rewards of being white in America.
@mak7587
@mak7587 Жыл бұрын
What if someone asked “I wonder if the baby will have red hair“. Would that be bad?
@lynnej.9357
@lynnej.9357 Жыл бұрын
Your question reminds me of a Tim Minchin song.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
Why would that be bad? Curious wondering is just normal. People must be really bored if they make a big stink about such things.
@toe_fans
@toe_fans Жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@CaptainPhilosophical
@CaptainPhilosophical Жыл бұрын
Never engage with master baiters.
@marktyler3381
@marktyler3381 Жыл бұрын
You can't have it both ways. Never ask an Uber driver where they are from. Ask them where they live. I have had many conversations with Uber drivers about global geopolitics. They are generally far more savvy than the white locals. It's weird that a white English guy and Pakistani taxi drivers agree 95%. But that's the way it is.
@Salamander407
@Salamander407 Жыл бұрын
Just rationale folks!
@kevinmccabe7263
@kevinmccabe7263 Жыл бұрын
It's rare these days!
@sedgieroobets
@sedgieroobets Жыл бұрын
This is great, but maybe the speakers need also to attract a younger demographic to these discussions?
@WigganNuG
@WigganNuG Жыл бұрын
Yea, I'm afraid some of that audience may not be with us anymore!!
@annarocha3254
@annarocha3254 Жыл бұрын
You can't force people to come. How would they go about that? I have a feeling they aren't fans of being gimmicky.
@myrahouse2368
@myrahouse2368 Жыл бұрын
I’m jutted what this woke racebaiting movement how it has negatively affected all colours. It’s tragic….
@projectsjh1629
@projectsjh1629 Жыл бұрын
Good show. In Europe, I just ask where you're from. In the WOKE U.S., I now say, "My accent is from New York City, but actually I'm now from Munich. And you?" With the exception of one obese white lady who snarled "None of your f. . .ing business," answers have always been friendly, often interesting. Sense of guilt -- in St. Louis I once met a stunning chemical engineer who told me she wished her finance, an orthopedic surgeon, would not brag (!) about his family's having owned slaves in Virginia. She said she knew there had been rare black families who had owned slaves, but thought he was wildly exaggerating how many his family had had and for how long. Yes, they were both black. Interestingly, he virulently hated ALL whites, the devil incarnate. That was not a deal breaker for her, but when he insisted she give up her job to be a proper housewife as soon as they got married, she broke the engagement to accept a position in Texas.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
Soon after the Floyd incident, I read someone mentioning the Tony Timpa incident. I was afraid to watch the whole thing, but I did. The whole incident was still on KZbin. (Maybe it still is, don't know?). It was so sickening, and heartbreaking. The thing that really made it even more disturbing was that the cops (or, some of them?) laughed a bit afterwards when they found out he was dead. All those cops should have gotten life for what they did, and for being so sadistic to actually chuckle about it. (I was too upset to look up the legal case about it). The "race" issue never came up in the George Floyd Trial. It wasn't about "race."
@marktyler3381
@marktyler3381 Жыл бұрын
Ah, the DEI guy who makes 90k a year? Nice work if you can get it.
@vinegarpisser2992
@vinegarpisser2992 Жыл бұрын
25:38
@ablackgoliath1827
@ablackgoliath1827 Жыл бұрын
Isn't it curious how RWers, and Liberal white ppl in particular, adore a black person who is willing to confirm overt anti black racism is simply black over sensitivity. Coleman always selectively emphasises specific aspects of a context where certain statements are made. For example when the "Where do you come from?" question is made Coleman & Co fail to acknowledge that historically it has been said to imply the diaspora African born in Europe (for example) doesn't belong in Europe simply because they are not 'White' yet White Africans never have to face this assumptions. The comments about the woman who changed her name is also disingenuous. I know of 'Sean's' and 'Sheila's' who are black but no one would assume they were Irish. Why would anyone assume a black person was from Africa just because of their name? For someone who insists he is about exploring/sharing the full picture to come to a conclusion he failed to do so at any point here.
@Saidoromo2024
@Saidoromo2024 Жыл бұрын
He is next the #christopherhitchens maybe 😅
@avbhinaya
@avbhinaya Жыл бұрын
I do understand where you coming from but the fundamental question that black lives matter raised was not at all raised in this discussion. I was pretty surprised that the idea of "life" is being discussed in terms of reductive binary of being alive and dead. The focus should be rather on state of black people lives currently vis-a-vis other races in US. Almost everyday predominantly black youths involvement in brazen crime come out in cctv and smart phones captured videos. Why these youths who are US citizens not only blacks are heavily engaged in such criminal acts in blatant manner? Why humans of any races acts in such manner while being citizens of most powerful nation on earth? Hope you're not becoming Samuel Jackson of Quentin Tarantino.
@gtgirlxx9416
@gtgirlxx9416 Жыл бұрын
This conversation went the way I thought it would, and ultimately, it's a group of like-minded people generally agreeing with each other: that the "other side" are all race baiters. The tone of this conversation, the unnecessarily snarky, sarcastic air, primarily from the host, makes it hard to believe that he believes in a "good faith" conversation about this topic. This is part of the reason why many black people like myself can relate to at least the title of Reni Eddo-Lodge's book "why I'm no longer talking to white people about race", completely disengage from the conversation about race and focus on elevating black people in Africa and the diaspora without the input of white people or anyone else for that matter. The conversation largely tends to be disingenuous and doesn't seem to progress past "let's agree to disagree". Would be nice for Coleman to have a conversation with real black intellectuals who appear to be representative of "the other side" of this debate. Not the Kendi's.
@MrPeterbs
@MrPeterbs Жыл бұрын
So who gets to decide who 'real black intellectuals' are? Do you mean people like Coates (who Coleman has debated) ? And Critical Race Theory followers aren't ' a group of liked minded people generally agreeing with each other'?
@slaphappybullet
@slaphappybullet Жыл бұрын
Yes I felt similarly. I appreciate Coleman’s reasoning, but it fell short of having the full picture. His criticisms of BLM as a movement and tangible benefits of the protests can’t be dismissed. However, if we think back to the civil rights movement, MLK became a historical figure because he had a clear and obtainable objective: end segregation. That isn’t to say that he believed in any way that would solve everything, but rather, he was aware that tangible steps such as ending segregation was the only way to truly create unity. With BLM, there was no clear objective that people could act on and support to create change. Everything got muddied with intense feelings with no clear goal to get behind and funnel it into. While ideas were discussed and argued over, nothing ever rose to the top as the objective of it all. It only ever remained as a sentiment. So to call all of it a failure is disingenuous because it may simply be a case study of how everyone being so connected online may allow people to be more aware of things, but also may contribute to so many voices talking that there’s too much noise to build something substantial in terms of a movement. Taking the latter into account, I feel as though BLM cannot simply be looked at through the lens of failed protests, but rather a lesson in the times we live in and how we must be even more steadfast and clear about what changes we want.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@slaphappybullet BLM is a neo-Marxist pile of destructive junk. That's what leftism is about. Destruction. I certainly saw nothing positive come out of the so called "protests", riots.
@invisiblespeedrc
@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын
23:20 Coleman totally missing the point. The reason some people get offended when you ask them where they are from they feel like you are ”othering” them, and you make them feel like they don’t belong. Of course it’s not a bigg issue and this woman is being stupid, but for example, Finland is going through this transition now where if you see someone ”foreign looking”, now you need to speak finnish to them and assume they are Finnish, and it’s on them to correct you if they actually are not Finnish. But if you approach them thinking they aren’t, that’s the issue.
@pajanaproductions
@pajanaproductions Жыл бұрын
Othering? What in the bloody heck does that even mean? I'm an immigrant living for over 30 years in the US. I love it when someone catches the tiny inflection of my accent and asks where I'm from. That's the start of a conversation. The start of my story. We are all "other". We all have something special to tell, and it's often tied into our homelands, races, cultures. We can't have it both ways, belonging and demanding to have our alternative cultures / heritages understood and accepted without allowing people to ask us questions about our origins.
@invisiblespeedrc
@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын
@@pajanaproductions well everyone isnt like you. If 9/10 people speak english to you and treat you like a foreigner instead of addressing you in the country’s own language and treating you like a local, maybe you would feel differently.
@invisiblespeedrc
@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын
@@pajanaproductions also you ARE an immigrant. Im talking about people who arent
@scottmitchell1974
@scottmitchell1974 Жыл бұрын
@@pajanaproductions Yes! My wife is from the Caribbean and has been here 27 years and just celebrated the other day when someone picked up on her accent.
@invisiblespeedrc
@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын
@@scottmitchell1974 how is it so hard to read and understand. She is an immigrant, I am talking about people who are not, but keep being treated as if they are.
@marktyler3381
@marktyler3381 Жыл бұрын
You have an American accent.id assume that you are American.
@extanegautham8950
@extanegautham8950 Жыл бұрын
yeah, not exactly funny, which is odd for a kid from jersey....but then maybe your parents were engineers or philosophers?
@FlawlessP401
@FlawlessP401 Жыл бұрын
There is no middle ground we will not be entertaining these people this is not an acceptable belief system
@emalee8366
@emalee8366 Жыл бұрын
You come across as an extremist with terrible writing skills. Start with punctuation, eh?
@adrianl7147
@adrianl7147 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea who you are referring to
@lampad4549
@lampad4549 Жыл бұрын
@@adrianl7147 the jews
@kevinmccabe7263
@kevinmccabe7263 Жыл бұрын
@Flawless, I think you're missing the point of these videos. Coleman is representing the majority of people who aren't extremists on the right or the left. You're half right in rejecting woke ideology, but I think you view this as a war which is not. We need rational people in the middle to retake control and promote the bipartisan ideas like color blindness to push out the racist ideas like equity and restorative justice.
@shellyshelly9218
@shellyshelly9218 Жыл бұрын
Hughes's proposition that 'sincere' Marxist communists killed millions is a real slur on Marx, who would have completely rejected the regimes set up in his name. This was a silly culture war canard more typical of Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson. Otherwise a very good conversation.
@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232
@-wordsmithourselves2wellne232 Жыл бұрын
And yes conversation must be open and between adults and questioning is fine but how very very bizarre to worry that white people might feel disenfranchised and get angry while…. Essentially saying the anger of black people was in some way unhelpful? It was a nuanced conversation but also not a truly useful one as it presumes that black people aught to feel equal when they have been systematically treated unequally . White anger is in fact a more terrifying proposition because it has more hands on the strings of power and more material tools with which to enact and voice that anger while black people have the threat of their physical violence that archetypally terrifies white people and white power but is no match to systems of control that we all live within. I truly love Freddie but this is not a good enough voice to represent the complex feelings and realities of black people. This is a remarkably pandering conversation and I’ve only managed to get part of the way through it. Though I will listen to it thoroughly when I have more time. Maybe I’ll even take notes but so far all I’ve thought is wow this feels a bit lopsided.
@WinstonSmithGPT
@WinstonSmithGPT Жыл бұрын
At this point please stop pretending any of this is organic. We have literal receipts.
@williamfortune9954
@williamfortune9954 Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure Freddie’s intentions. Saying the woman is not African shows ignorance.
@hermitpermit2553
@hermitpermit2553 Жыл бұрын
I think youre reading into it too much. For example i was born in new zealand, my ancestors are irish ,english, Scandinavian scottish and welsh and ancient germanic...but i am none of those things because i wasnt born or raised in the culture - my fathers an immigrant and i was exposrd to his culture which was not the exact same as nz culture but i cant say that i am from his culture. The lady hes talking about isnt from africa, neither were her recent ancestors. She has more in common culturally with brittish people also raised in uk and uk white folks than black Africans in Africa despite her ancestral dna. She has adopted an african name and learnt about the culture to get closer to an identity she feels she has lost.... Still doesnt make her a nigerian just like i'm not culturally what my dna is.
@williamfortune9954
@williamfortune9954 Жыл бұрын
@@hermitpermit2553 I hear you valid point. However my personal opinion and it has changed to deny having African ancestry or claiming Africa would be the biggest of disgrace to our ancestors. There is a difference in perspective and in mine him saying your not African is because of his ignorance. In your point that’s like me saying you don’t have Irish etc ancestors and mocking you for saying you do.
@williamfortune9954
@williamfortune9954 Жыл бұрын
@@hermitpermit2553 also you make another valid point that does not make her Nigerian Africa is a continent.
@hermitpermit2553
@hermitpermit2553 Жыл бұрын
@@williamfortune9954 no it isnt the same. She has african ancestors and she is african like i am european dna wise however culturally she is not african and i am not culturally european. That is what he meant. She is brittish culturally, there are people whose ancestors come from all over who are brittish culturally. No one is trying to deny her of her ancestry or call or white or something.. But she has adopted the culture in the sense that she was not raised in the culture and neither were her recent ancestors. She has more in common with brittish people than nigerians. Its sad that skin colour /phenotypical differences can make people think otherwise. You can tell me im not culturally irish or culturally european and it would be true. You cant tell me i dont have irish or european ancestry as that is incorrect.
@hermitpermit2553
@hermitpermit2553 Жыл бұрын
@@williamfortune9954 yea shes given herself a nigerian name ironically named after a tribe that were slave owners and brutal to other tribes
@huskypup3489
@huskypup3489 Жыл бұрын
Coleman says, "No, being brought to one of the best countries on Earth would not count as reparations." He doesn't say why. All one has to do is run the counterfactual to slavery: Your ancestors were not brought to America, and now, assuming you are alive at all, you live in Africa. Are you better off?
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Жыл бұрын
I assume he didn't make the counter argument because it slipped his mind. But I understand why he disagreed with it, using that same reasoning that the Japanese Americans who were placed in internment camps against their will during WWII were granted reparations for that unjust crime. If we are to use that same logic and that logic alone and applied consistently, we wouldn't have granted them squat! And remember, they weren't allowed to bring any of their possessions with them into the internment camps, so they had to sell everything they owned at like 90% discounts.
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Жыл бұрын
Plus, I don't know you so I don't know if you have ever heard of Marc Lamont Hill, he is the host of a KZbin show called Black news tonight. When he had on either Coleman or Glenn loury or Joan McWhorter, whichever one it was, they made the argument that getting reparations wouldn't actually be the solution to poverty for thirty or forty percent of black Americans. I thought this was a decent argument, but dr. Hill replied that it doesn't matter if the reparations make black people better off, it is what we are owed, I want to get what we are owed
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069
@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Жыл бұрын
So given this, your argument wouldn't persuade them at all unfortunately
@nigelralphmurphy2852
@nigelralphmurphy2852 Жыл бұрын
for god's sake coleman, grow up. is this really all about YOU?
@annarocha3254
@annarocha3254 Жыл бұрын
This comment makes no sense.
@caspianhall
@caspianhall Жыл бұрын
Lol this is your only likeness to these people. Episode 1: racism doesn’t exist then on episode 2 the same storyline. 😂 you people truly are lost
@LeviNotik
@LeviNotik Жыл бұрын
It's funny how willingly you volunteer the fact of your ignorance to everyone. I can cut countless clips of Coleman saying quite explicitly and literally that "racism does exist". You obviously didn't listen to this or much else of what he has said.
@caspianhall
@caspianhall Жыл бұрын
@@LeviNotik lol you people come here to be victims I know what time it is man. Just be honest
@ForeverYoungKickboxer
@ForeverYoungKickboxer Жыл бұрын
"You people"
@IndigoDisco
@IndigoDisco Жыл бұрын
@@ForeverYoungKickboxer As bad as "my people"...
@IndigoDisco
@IndigoDisco Жыл бұрын
@ᴄᴏʟᴇᴍᴀɴ ʜᴜɢʜᴇs Lol. Nope. The real Coleman is not a clown.
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