Defending Down Under: The Australian Army's New Boxer CRV

[@IC3XR]

Boxers were definitely the better choice imo. The fact Australia has set up industry to build these ourselves is what's truly fantastic.

[@peterryan4851]

Ukraine has shown mass matters. I’m not sure the purchase number will be enough. Particularly with consideration to the small number of IFV’s we’re purchasing innparalllel

[@defectiveclone8450]

:)

[@IC3XR]

@@peterryan4851 you're ignoring a crucial fact I stated in my comment - Australia is dedicating industry to build them here. If/when a large conflict happens, those numbers can now be quickly increased. The real issue (and what I assume you're referring to) is the decision to reduce the number of Redback IFVs, being that we don't manufacture them here.

[@jars6230]

@@peterryan4851 Ukraine has a border with their enemy. Australian military doctrine is to stop them getting here, not to win battles in major cities after they get here.

[@BlauImHerzen]

Being able to produce weapons yourself and not rely on others is always an advantage. In addition, the Boxer gives you the opportunity to cover almost any application scenario with just one vehicle, thanks to its modular design. So they have 211 multi-functional vehicles, whereas without the Boxer they would need 211 specific combat vehicles and hundreds of others to be able to cover the tasks of reconnaissance, medical, command posts or mountains and bridge-laying functions, these would also cost money again. In addition, the Boxer is already tried and tested and is therefore less prone to errors than others. The quality also speaks for itself and you can rely on the boxer. The Boxer is also my absolute favorite vehicle in the German Army. You can't even imagine how big he is, in the videos and pictures he always looks smaller than in real life. Look into your room and imagine a boxer coming through the wall that is 3m wide, 3.4m high and 8.3m long :o It's a monster.

[@ronaldotrumph8960]

German company Rheinmetall and Australia both won here. Even though Rheinmetall has massive productions facilities in Germany, they and the German gov decided to built their Rec vehicles in Austrialia due to competency and availability.

[@NotUnymous]

...why do you think Germany isnt compenent enough to produce their own product? I think it was all about availability.

[@ronaldotrumph8960]

@@NotUnymous First of all: that someone is competence doesn't mean someone else isn't. So no talks about lack of competency here. But honestly, the main resources and competency of productions for the lanced turret version is in Australia and the BW wanted that vehicle on shot notice. Rheinmetall produces and focus on the unmanned turret version (forgot the name) in Germany I understand. Btw BW ordered these as well as I understand.

[@tobiwan001]

@@ronaldotrumph8960 Germany mainly ordered Boxer's APC variant which are produced in Germany, but they also ordered a reconnaissance version which is almost identical to the Australian version. So the half finished Boxer is exported to Australia and then completed and then exported back to Germany. The unmanned turret version was considered as it was the same version used in the Puma IFV. But that turret is built by Rheinmetall's competitor KNDS, I think Rheinmetall had an interest in the "Australian" version. It is also likely that Germany buys the RCHF 155 artillery version of the Boxer. The only artillery system that can fire on the move.

[@fuckoff4705]

the german government has very little to say in these matters, the reason rheinmetall is setting up production in australia is because the australian government paid extra for license production so they could have strategic independence, not because of competency and availability, australia would actually be a very bad place for rheinmetall to do any manufacturing

[@chippyjohn1]

Not sure about competency. Our engineers couldnt manage to secure a box, widen seats, stop cartridges coming into the cabin and fix a fan on the Taipan helicopters.

[@norsehall309]

G'day I'm an retired Grunt from 1 RAR and l think building up our Military manufacturing is a must as the world is changing at a fast past and if anything happens we need too stand on our own two feet and not rely on others, thank for the video, very informative, cheers.

[@rikitourangi815]

Mate,if the US demands we stop all trading with our biggest partners just to screw us economically,the government will do it and then pay billions for the advice

[@chippyjohn1]

Exactly. What happens when the US officially invade us. Need to ditch all US equipment and make our own. The time is coming.

[@jacobkuntflapp]

100%. We are at the mercy of American navy protection of our supply chains.

[@bobfuts]

@@jacobkuntflapp yea but you need to rely on NATO for defence. Doesn't mean you shouldn't invest in your own defence, but you will never be able to beat China in a 1v1. You need others. And that's okay

[@allandriver2066]

@@harrysibben7583 The man served...so far you've only run your mouth...

[@Paylorek]

Good for Australia. These are good-looking vehicles. Sending love from the USA 🇺🇸 🤝🇦🇺

[@investornator]

You can not divide 5 billion dollars by 211 vehicles and come up with "each boxer will cost $25 million a piece" The cost associated with Land 400 Phase 2 include ...Training( and wages of the crew)Ammunition,,consumables such as tyres,oil.petrol,PPE. the list goes on and on of associated costs for the whole life cycle of the Boxer. The Australian Government always gives a life cycle cost of any projects associated with the ADF .

[@warlordwossman5722]

People do that for the german boxer purchases too and act like it's a scam but without training, spare parts, etc. they are basically not worth anything because they won't be operational.

[@vmpgsc]

Yep, just more "scratch the surface" journalism that skims published sources and regurgitates.

[@Gurfi28]

In my country they budget armament acquisition almost the same (except training and wages I believe, since our army is conscription based), plus the price usually also includes one upgrade package during it‘s lifetime. That really puts the costs in a differen light.

[@richardthomson4693]

Yep anyone interested should google whole life cost accounting. Thats how the ADF budgets our defence purchases. The all up price for these is less than 25 million. Also note that in the last few days theres been announcement of about 300 extra purchases of boxer by various countries. At the current rate the brisbane facility might get some extra orders of take some of the a waiting list of the german and british lines

[@RUHappyATM]

I'm confused. Wages of the crew throughout the program's lifetime or just the wages while they undergo training to use the machines? Same for the other consumarables like tyres, oils, fuels etc. Are these for the life of the program? Edit: Looks like it has a high profile.

[@00tree]

Watching from the US. Greetings from across the pond my friends.

[@chippyjohn1]

We arent your friends, no more support for illegal wars, get your mercenaries out of our country.

[@00tree]

@@redherring6154 I'll get right on telling them some more. They didn't listen the last time. LOL!

[@jacobkuntflapp]

​@@redherring6154 calm down, princess.

[@redherring6154]

@@jacobkuntflapp just facts buddy, don’t start shit you can’t finish .

[@RobertS-w7v]

It was only today i was speaking with my friend on leave (Australian army ASLAV CRV Driver) he said they are trying not to break any of the existing ASLAV's untill the new Boxer's arrive because of the mechanical part scarcity and maintenance costs. so YES to defend the land we love so dearly the Boxer's are an non- negotiable

[@hylimm]

Defend from what? Kangaroo or natives 😂

[@lzot]

lol. Nothing has changed then. When we first got the LAV we only had 1 trailer load of parts. Then we had to mod the vehicle for Australian conditions - tyres in particular were crap. Fun fact - with the aslav you could accelerate on hard lock in 8-wheel drive then flick it to 4 wheel and start doing donuts.

[@h.c5750]

Uneducated comment​@@hylimm

[@lucifer007007]

@@hylimm control of the population in then next epidemic BS coming ?Organized warfare appears to have started in the Neolithic Age and then ramped up during the Bronze Age. People have been killing each other since as long as there have been people its just got more technical how we mutilate each other

[@jamesnicholls1180]

​@@lzottrust Aussies to figure that out 😂

[@tiktok000VS000ushi]

I am not familiar with the Patria. The things I know about the Boxer tell me it is an incredible versatile and powerful platform with fairly easy and cost effective maintenance vectors. That Germany now receives Boxers produced in Australia just adds to this versatility. I don't know if it is better of the two, but it is a very good choice for sure and I am glad that we over here in the German army will be equipped with the Boxer platform as well.

[@Matt_JJz]

I recently saw a Boxer CRV on display at Gallipoli Barracks and it is huge. Like it is even larger than our M1A1 Abrams tanks. Really scary and impressive that thing is.

[@itsnotagsr]

Shame this video didn’t show it next to the ASLAV, which is already a tall vehicle. In our flat largely desert country, it’s going to stand out like dogs ⚽️⚽️

[@h.c5750]

​@itsnotagsr a very big needle in a giant haystack, good luck actually finding the boxers in the millions of square kilometres of bush

[@donovanteale6502]

@@h.c5750 who needs luck when you have drones

[@CASA-dy4vs]

@@donovanteale6502drones that can easily be intercepted on launch*

[@Internetbutthurt]

@@h.c5750 you clearly dont know how good sensors are these days

[@reeceagland1980]

One of the few times we made the right choice. Now we need to consider new variants like mortar, AA/C-AUS,

[@pwa8453]

1700+ Boxers already ordered globally. UK another major user now. Germany to order even more, e.g. as self-propelled howitzer

[@shanerooney7288]

Modern war will not be gentle with these AFVs. A $35,000 lancet will destroy a $10 milliom (UK) / $25 million (Aus) Boxer from 40km away. So could a $500 drone with a shape charge ducttaped to it.

[@roadrunner6224]

@@shanerooney7288 the same argument was made for ATGMs for decades now. Unless you are Russian you usually try to avoid getting hit in the first place by not sending out your tank on its own but maybe with an air defense vehicle, jammer or something similar.

[@shanerooney7288]

@@roadrunner6224 the two main differences are the range and the fact you don't need line of sight at time of fireing. NLAW = 800m Javelin = 2km MILAN = 2km Spike LR = 4km FPV drone = 10+km ZALA KYB = 30km ZALA Lancet = 40km a Boxer IFV will out range and have line of sight on the ATGM teams. But not on the drone teams.

[@roadrunner6224]

@@shanerooney7288 but they are slower, less well protected against direct attacks and ew. Drones are a problem for which there already dozens of solutions. APS, RWS, dedicated SPAA, counter drones, Manpads, AMM, EW, targeting the operators. I'm not saying drones arent a threat, but they are a threat that will be dealt with.

[@shanerooney7288]

@roadrunner6224 You can have 100 different ways to shoot a drone out of the air, but it makes no difference if they are unreliable. Example 1: (lack of opportunity) "Target the operators." You just need to find them and hit them before they hit you. It's definitely something I'd do when given the chance. But it's not something I'd rely on for Anti-drone defence. Example 2: (funding limits) Let's say Australia gets some SPAA, something similar to the Flakpanzer Gepard or 2K22 Tunguska. That's millions of dollars spent per vehicle. Also, It would only work when the SPAA was travelling with the Boxers. I just dont see Australia buying 50+ SPAA to drive around with their 200+ Boxers. Example 3: (working around the problem) Take Ukranian Kamikaze drone boats for example. There is evidence that they now have limited AI guiding them. You can't jam the signal if it doesn't rely on transmissions. Alternatively, have AI targeting only kick in when the signal is lost (usually on terminal phase of attack) And let's not forget the cost difference. If the drone costs $30,000 (Lancet), vs the vehicle costing $25,000,000 (Aus Boxer)... they can shoot hundreds of drones per vehicle and still come out ahead. That's why the days of $30 million dollar IFVs are over.

[@PaulieLDP]

Thanks for another video on Aussie military hardware.

[@Warhorse469]

Transported are numbers of these beasts through the Fraser Coast to Gympie from Brisbane. You don't realize how large these things are until you stand beside them; they're taller than Abrams and a tad bit shorter in length.

[@greybuckleton]

Whilst 25m per vehicle seems too expensive, the fact it has come with the infrastructure and tech transfer to enable domestic construction seems to make this worthwhile. Hopefully over in NZ we can get a budget together to order some off you!

[@cryptopecker7339]

About bloody time! Aussie built for Aussie requirement's and Digger Proof!

[@thomasromanelli2561]

Very excited to see content regarding the Redback IFV.

[@kahmusicaustralia]

Wow Mel, thanks for your insights. Being an ex RAAFie your knowledge is great and you convey it well. I was unaware of the Boxer series but it sounds like the various military manufacturers are putting a lot into Australia. I was involved in a few projects and know that testing of these “new” systems can get very intricate. I subscribed and liked and am looking forward to more offerings from you. Keep up the great work.

[@melpikos8533]

Thanks for the kind words @kahmusicaustralia ! Appreciate it.

[@MichaelAussie05]

Thanks Mel for your time and efforts in producing a thoroughly entertaining and informative video. Cheers. PS you have earned yourself a sub.

[@MelPikos]

Cheers mate! Appreciate the support!

[@KF-bj3ce]

Happy that these vehicles are made in Australia and I would love to have one.

[@paulwatson6013]

As someone who has done time in workshops within the 'system', one of the biggest issues is keeping up with the parts. From 1st hand experience out on exercise. Watching wheeled vehicles like this were being driven like they were tracked vehicles through sharp remnants of shrubs. Lots of axles being chained up for the drive back as they ran out of tyres. 38 tonnnes-hell the Leopard tanks were only around 40, and they are a tracked vehicle with seven 'road wheels.'

[@bagelmaster2498]

Tbf leopards weigh a whole lot more now as well

[@charliepyle1626]

So the claim about all conditons is bs. Wet season, boggy ground or our sticky mud will turn these into a laughing stock

[@baronblahblah2396]

The Unveiling of the Boxer CRV was 12/12/2002 and the Announcement of the. first 25 vehicles was in October 2022! That’s 2 years ago! Thanks for the Update Mate!

[@johndehaan2764]

Outstanding outcome, absolutely brilliant to have the infrastructure built here as well!

[@artistjoh]

Boxer is a superb asset, and the new Brisbane factory is a significant contributor to Australian defense manufacturing capability.

[@CASA-dy4vs]

Now we just need a better navy to actually stop any enemies from landing millions of troops and thousands upon thousands of tanks

[@danieltynan5301]

Adelaide would be a better choice....but to fine

[@CASA-dy4vs]

@@danieltynan5301 how would Adelaide be a better choice?

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@CASA-dy4vsit wouldn’t I don’t think would it? QLD is far better.

[@TopShelfOzzie]

Very well put together & easy to understand thanks mate have subscribed

[@greglee1587]

When it comes to the boxer and Redback working together, it must be a nightmare. Even though they both have the same caliber gun, they both use different ammunition. It boggles the mind

[@danieltynan5301]

You think they would have standised the gun......

[@markryan8344]

My father was conscripted into the British army post WW2. He saw active service as a 19 year old in 1948 in the Middle East and was a gunner in a tank brigade. I am proud of my father and I like your content.

[@melpikos8533]

Thanks Mark and appreciate your fathers contribution

[@johnwoodall3791]

These are Truly Remarkable all Terrain Vehicles, A long time coming for the Army. Some great variants & I really like the Interchangeable Modules. Nice Video Sir ... Really Well Explained ... Respectfully ...

[@adriang6259]

Love that they're built down here. Just be nice to have more.

[@GM-fh5jp]

Interesting commentary and analysis, Mel. Subscribed!

[@gaius_enceladus]

NZer here. Looks like a great bit of kit, especially alongside the upcoming Redback vehicle too! *Go you good things!*

[@Harldin]

Would be a good choice to replace the NZ Army LAVs, if your government ever took Defence seriously.

[@santadam]

Impressive vehicle. Love the modular aspects.

[@tee-steel.0158]

Very cool having multiple ways of using it 🎉

[@haemmertime]

The "command and conquer"-version comes with a very great musical theme

[@mental9mikey]

Really great summary. Would love to see those facilities and that top class equipment one day

[@littlehills]

i volunteer to test this as my daily driver

[@CeinOG]

Subscribed. Good informative, easy to follow video

[@sabour34]

Definitely a step in the right direction for Australia and its Regional Partners.

[@mikerowe402]

Great narrative, thanks for putting this together. Touch wood some of the fit outs you mention have some sort of anti drone capability based on what we have seen recently.

[@zigorro3478]

Thats what the iron fist is supposed to help with

[@kenreckless2757]

Need to get a few Boxers with the Skyranger turret to engage drones.

[@TrangleC]

The 30mm gun is the same as the one on the German Puma IFV and the Germans are currently working on a software upgrade that will enable the Puma to engage drones just like a Skyranger AA gun. The only difference is that the Puma isn't equipped with radar, but it can use its multi spectrum optics to scan for and track small aerial targets. So once that software exists, it should be possible to upload it to any platform that uses that 30mm gun, including the Boxer and turn it into a anti drone AA gun. It won't have all the abilities of the radar equipped Skyranger, but it will probably be good enough to defend itself and disembarked troops nearby.

[@FlashBFE]

@@TrangleC The radar isn't the only difference. The skyranger boxer has a revolver cannon that can fire 1200 rpm for the 30mm ammo. The normal belt fed 30mm is way slower with around 200 rpm. Also the maximum elevation is much higher which needs it's space in the skyranger.

[@TrangleC]

@@FlashBFE Don't know about the version in the Australian Boxer, but the one in the Puma is not belt fed, but fed by a link-less twin feed ammo cassette. I'm also pretty sure Rheinmetal has been focusing on revolver guns for a long time, even before they bought Oerlikon. I doubt that they would cannibalize their own business by developing 2 different 30mm guns.

[@kenreckless2757]

@@TrangleC Regardless of the cannon, the key will be the ammo and sensors. Airburst rounds linked to a sensor (radar/ladar/EO/IR whatever) that can effectively engage the small FPV drones up to helos. And then you need enough of this variant that they can provide mobile air defence to a battlegroup.

[@hansmeyer7225]

​@@TrangleC The Puma/Boxer IFV and the Skyranger are indeed fielding two different 30 mm canons. One developed originally by Mauser and the other one by Oerlikon.

[@vintagetintrader1062]

Making something with modular components just makes sense, from war to domestic flood and fire recovery, for a country with vastly difference terrain. As others have said, finally a worthwhile military purchase that is future proof.

[@Crimethoughtfull]

The modularity is AMAZING! One platform that can do a dozen things as needed w/o having to build 3,000 of them just b/c once they're built they can't be changed. Also, in 20 years when tech has advanced, the SAME basic "cab and chassis" can keep doing the job with newly re-designed modules dropped on its deck.

[@-2u2]

Glad to see the Aussies finally made up their mind. They definitely made the right decision.

[@jamesr8473]

Only took a bit longer to make the decision than …. the entirety of WW2

[@LEF3133]

Seen these being taken North. One looked to have had a close encounter with a solid object as the “Thule” rack on the back was reshaped.

[@WoolyJumper5]

Thanks mate 🎉

[@hanswurst6712]

As a german i am so happy that Australia has chosen the Boxer. And now Australia is even producing Boxers for the german Bundeswehr (because germayn cant handle the demand). Win-Win for both Germany and Australia :D

[@edwardreuben6650]

We also need growth in Naval and Airforce and armored drones (which have been a headache in Israel conflicts and Ukraine war). The fact that we are building these are definitely a thumbs up.

[@easternfrontagain]

Who is paying for that? You?

[@edwardreuben6650]

@@easternfrontagain Hypothetical answer stupid. I'm saying we need them to be taken seriously but I know that we cant do it. Idiot

[@GrahamDunn-r2b]

Would love a video on the fast rail, Brisbane to Melbourne Australia 👍🤙

[@vargheseck-pg2wy]

They could put two Boxers together with the rear vehicle facing backward. Connect the rear controls with Fly-by-Wire tech and have a massive go anywhere platform.

[@scottsmith1742]

Agree with so many comments below from current and former members. This is a must in Australia. We have seen in the latest conflicts the ability to dominate / defend the front positions has come down to a quick response from these kinds of vehicles. These seem to be balanced well between firepower and protection. I would really like to see more defence units become mobile and these are the weapons to make it work

[@pefrja1]

Future conflict will be fought with aircraft (manned or unmanned) naval power and drones???

[@messianicmuse]

Excellent 👌 Worth every cent.

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Yeah nah.

[@The_Stoic_PhilosopherAU]

Fantastic channel! Subbed

[@damionneranginui6546]

That thing wasn't tested at stradie a couple of weeks ago was it? I saw a boat taking something north from where I am. A couple of smoke plooms told me something was on. Bonfires are very easy to spot from here. Always good to finish an excercise in style

[@williamoloughlin8298]

given how war has changed and the advent of drone swarms, you'll need a ECM jammer model in the lineup. Also capability to launch both recon and kamikaze loitering drones like the K51 MBT. They will need to be deployed with other armoured units to protect them.

[@joshuarees4342]

Thanks! 😀

[@LS1Cobra]

I saw these being transported on the Bruce Highway a couple of months back. I wondered what they were.

[@jayjayspoon8824]

please tell me we looked into the 105 gun model attachment at 1:16

[@CaptainPhatt]

As a former M113A1 Recon Troop Leader, I'll just say that I wish we had had these Boxers back in my day. That Mauser MK30-2/ABM dual-feed stabilised cannon is giving me a Battlefat just thinking about it. Anyway I think that the Boxer was the best choice for Australia, but I would have preferred the MK 1 Tracked version.

[@Ernie161]

You mean "Battlephat" don't you?

[@tomasestro2345]

Fantastico avete perfino fabrica per costruilli

[@brianphillips7696]

Boxers have a good reputation and the ability to build the base vehicle and mate it to a variety of modules is a very flexible way to do things. I think it is a better choice than the Stryker family of vehicles we use here in the US.

[@donnerschwein]

2:52 what's that on the left? Did they build a miniature battlefield for display? 😭

[@LtSpearzZ]

looks like plant saplings

[@garyfindlay5503]

Is the Rheinmetall variant platform for Germany the new RCH 155 Self-Propelled Howitzer, that can fire on the move?

[@jublywubly]

The versatility of the vehicle platform is very similar to a smaller vehicle that was introduced to the UK army about five or six years ago. Theoretically, the modular form should make the vehicles more readily used if part of it becomes seriously damaged. Meaning less down-time for vehicles, especially when they're in active combat.

[@ianmiles7916]

The Uk in the meantime decided up on the Ajax, backed out of Boxer and then backed in again🙄 The cannon is quite clever though which is nice.

[@penitent2401]

Why only 211 vehicles?

[@RARDingo]

Awesome that we are exporting to Germany. Glad to see Australia leading the way in many respects as far as incorporating new technologies successfully into our military lineups. Wedgetail, Boxer & Redback to name a few. Much better than the Rovers & M113s of my day.

[@g3roingrimm79]

:D Greets from Germany Rheinmetall is our company and we need hundreads of vehicels in a short time so we let produce in other states as well. Today the media reportet that we order 103 new Leoprad 2 a8 MBT´s in total 120new ones.. Last week a order for 150 new Boxer with a diffrent turret the same as on the Puma and 2 frigattes in total 6 new :D Today also a contract for artillerry shells for 8.1 billion for rheinmetall from our governent. Long Range Ballistics from Israel Arrow 3. F35 Jets from USA. Then we need like 1000+ Troop carrier in the near future, looks like they choose a Patria we will see... And much more coming :D

[@VillaMasterSF]

wtf u talking about the Boxer is produced in germany, an is an joint venture of the british and german military complex.

[@g3roingrimm79]

@@VillaMasterSF The Australians choosed the Boxer for there troops and Rheinmetall produces there together with australian companys too. So the german governant decided to produce a bach over there for the german troops and import them

[@flummi6966]

@@VillaMasterSF Boxer is produced in vareity of states, and OZ 8 by 8 seem to be top notch, so we order some.

[@Ascaron1337]

​​@VillaMasterSF Mate.. there is more than one Boxer factory around the world. The German one is occupied with work, so the Australian facility produces all of our "Schwere Waffenträger" for our medium heavy forces. Plus since they are practically the same as the Australian variant, it makes even more sense. The whole production force is already hired and trained, the parts are already known and on site. This info is just 1 Google search away, btw.

[@nathanabsolom2199]

Iv seen that redbank facility from the out side and it looks awesome

[@rodneymiddleton1044]

This is my favorite one but unfortunately it lost out to the Hanwa Red Back which I think is being built in Mr Marles constiuency down in Victoria so i have heard, hmm who is getting kick backs I wonder plus those Red backs cost more to build by the way.

[@Sugarmountaincondo]

Not to put down BAE Systems because they do make good quality military equipment, but I think the Rheinmetall Boxer variant was the right choice because of the extra armor on it for crew/troop protection and field testing the 1st batch is a great consideration and I hope your Defense Ministry will listen to the troops input and make any necessary changes to the 2nd batch before production starts on them. Love from the USA, been to Australia and love the Country and people even if you do talk in a funny way 😆❤💯

[@neilfrasersmith]

I didn't hear him mention any defence system for drone attack. Isn't that mandatory now?

[@tonelee8878]

does anyone know what's happening with the retiring aslavs?

[@shengyi1701]

Sad to see the ASLAV go. Will now need to build that 1:35 Trumpeter kit!

[@muskett4108]

The UK is also building a Boxer plant and buying/building similar numbers. Armies just need an armoured taxi that can defend itself to transport at speed and over distance the specialised troops and weapons systems that modern warfare demands. The Boxer is the best in class at present. The module system gives it the flexibility to adapt over its lifespan. By all accounts its pretty cool. Ukraine is rewriting tactical doctrine anyhow. Best to invest in stuff that will always find a use.

[@jameswhyard2858]

So, can we finally dispose our M113 fleet which have been in service longer than we had horses in our Cavalry?

[@kparker2430]

interested layman question; does Australia manufacture the ammunition that baby uses?

[@Emanuel-t5e]

Yes, NIOA has joined a partnership with Rheinmetall, to produce the munition in Australia.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

A war is won by who can can Logistically supply the most and quickest turnaround to the front line , then maintain the damaged ones to return quickly to service. The Armament industry needs to ramp up considerably and be self reliant. I think I can sense the Planning Commanders want self reliance and self belief at the front line rather than relying on slower commanding from the rear. Having them as kit builds for separate roles helps the quick supply idea.

[@El_Locoroco]

The craziest version is the rc h155...

[@philiplewis8213]

The best thing about the Patria is their special mortar system. Seems like a good choice was made.

[@Doingstuff.since76]

Totally support the defence industry setting up shop here. There should be much more of this sort of thing. The price the Navy is paying for the cannons on its new boats Armadales? I forget the name but the ships were defenceless before they ordered these cannons which were hundreds of millions for 5. 340 mill I think. For that we could set up a whole industry from scratch. Or almost. I hope we are going to see much more of this sort of thing in future.

[@ondoogy]

Great decision to build these two vehicles, definitely the right decision.

[@bigjohn697791]

Yeah the Brits have put a larger order in for these as well The UK's Boxers will be made in a factory in Wales after the first lot come from Germany (250)

[@jasonkennedy1670]

Be interesting to see how they perform compared to the Bushmaster under live fire conditions

[@jamesnave1249]

What's happening with the old ASLAV's? Should give them to the reserves

[@nicholaidajuan865]

Hasn't "talking tactics" been a feature on United 24 for the last few years?

[@anthony9thompson]

I wonder which bits we actually manufacture here. I’m thinking it’s not the engine , transmission, gun or ammunition

[@billygibson2613]

Very good policy best defence against terrisom very smart brilliant masters of engineering 😊😮❤😊😮❤

[@petermaxine5895]

Combat recon in Australia, what is the target that requires observing?

[@grahamjackson8655]

Oh, after a mere 14-year break, the U.K. Ministry of Defence has suddenly remembered the Boxer wheeled armored vehicle exists and decided to hop back on board, planning to equip the British Army with the 8x8-because better late than never, right?

[@chapmansbg]

Pacific missions? As in the Pacific? (1.04)

[@mckaypaterson2519]

Maybe it could have been adaptable to not only a wheeled vehicle, but adaptable to being a tracked vehicle?

[@Emanuel-t5e]

That already exists, google "Boxer Tracked", which is the creatively-named tracked version.

[@Siapanpeteellis]

Inflatable tires are the Achilles heel, no pun intended!

[@robertcameron2808]

Why not order 500 ?

[@TerryGaskett]

Q1, yes Boxer making in Qld is most correct decision ADF has made . The mobility & versatility of the Boxer lends itself to be reconfigured to new/different war machine . Once the initial land 400 complete, Australia needs to review mobile 155mm artillery & Brimstone variants , all variants fit neatly in Hercules & C17 for speedy deployment.🤔💥👍

[@WeedyFlash]

How do they hold up against drone warfare?

[@harveybirdman74]

Do they have protection against drone attacks?

[@hi-its-matt]

ok i know nothing, can someone tell me how much it would cost to develop and manufacture our own similar vehicle? surely it would be better to stimulate our own economy and also make us more independent as a nation because we're not relying on other country's manufacturing for our defense. or maybe it would cost way more. i genuinely dont know and am curious

[@sophdog1678]

I would argue that this is a perfect example why we must maintain a manufacturing capability in this country. In a war, you really don't want to be reliant on other countries for ALL your bombs and tanks and guns and so forth. At the very least, you need to be able to produce basic munitions and consumables.

[@shiningbright3743]

not saying its a bad idea for the boxer, the module system is pretty great idea. im just thinking how the structure holds up after it takes a beating from an enemy vehicle. Have they updated the top armour to be thicker to combat drones? do they have increase electronic warfare jammers against drones? 200 tanks is nothing compared to the losses in ukraine at the moment between russia and ukraine, They could lose that amount of tanks in a couple weeks if not less in an offensive. i know the australian budget isnt to great, but that many light vehicles isnt great amount for defensive purposes. Sure keep the enemy off australian land mass is a great idea, but you still have to prepare for such. Dont sell any old equipment, keep it in storage cause one day your gonna need it when these light vehicles get wiped out in a month.

[@trevorbourke3627]

the price of war is so much more than it was for the first and even the second war. the price for freedom is priceless' we have a very big country and to protect it is costly, i love the name for the beasts.

[@TimmyT.86]

New? We have had them for years, yet most Cav units still use ASLAV