Gaijin STOP Or This WILL Be Your Downfall (not dramatic at all)

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[@mackeral5152]

If brain damage was a company

[@khalilveronessi4819]

if brainless was a company it's at this point.

[@BenjiBoi696]

Statistically 3 out of 4 gaijin employees have dents in their heads

[@livio975]

Gaijin gives me brain damage

[@miawpower8521]

@@BenjiBoi696 its actually worst its 9 out of 10

[@Creamin_All_Offensive]

​@@miawpower8521 99/100

[@GeneralLee2000]

Their refusal to decompress is actually infuriating. Especially BECAUSE THEY EVEN TALK ABOUT THE FIX. They're choking the life out of the BR

[@-Hari-03]

devs have two brain cells and one of them is pushing the other in a wheelchair

[@explosivecommando9100]

​@@-Hari-03 lmao

[@-Hari-03]

@arron4749 they absolutely, unequivocally do NOT decompress constantly, they give the illusion of decompression while actually making things worse (literally what this whole video is about)

[@phaserush1024]

@arron4749 gaijin lawyer is here

[@LordTomi2011]

@arron4749 My guy, we need at least 5 more rounds of decompression. They've added new technologies way quicker than they decompressed brs, there are planes without flares fighting all aspect missiles, there are planes with flares fighting planes WITHOUT missiles, there are PD radars facing planes that don't even have a decent RWR and more examples of this. And there's actually not much math involved since Gaijin only cares about statistics when it comes to "balance"!

[@smigoltime]

oH loOk sPiTfiRe 24 iS nO lOnGeR 7.0 ;-----DDDD

[@DEFYN]

ITS FIXED! #2000

[@tripodtodd9217]

"I hate the war thunder community, and am glad cheaters are running rampant" - Smigol the obese

[@ravenkwan7600]

@@DEFYN And mk 24 is having the same br as the mk 22 with better performance next update

[@mello_nohandle]

@@ravenkwan7600which is how it used to be before it got moved up so nothing is changing in that sense

[@TheGrace020]

😭

[@-Hari-03]

"we base our balancing off of player statistics" aka "we balance according to how brainrotten players are, not the performance of the vehicle"

[@firetruck988]

I don't believe they balance via "player statistics". They cherry pick what they want to be good, bad players fly these vehicles, and it causes a feedback loop where the statistics justify terrible balance because the players are correcting for it based on skill level and spending money.

[@dierare]

In a perfect world, where most players are on a somewhat similar skill level, their method of balancing would be really good. Because it would rely on what actually *works* in gameplay instead of comparing stats in a vacuum that might not even matter all that much in a real gameplay situation. Sadly most games trying this approach suffer simply because 75-90% of the player base have a combined 2% of the game skill of all players.

[@WastelandWanderer1216]

Jingles nailed that on the head years ago when he made his video criticizing War Thunder. His example was the U.S. P-47s being 3.0.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

look where that has gotten USA, Good tanks become over-br'd because smart players play them and fight against braindead players. M18, M551(76), T20, T29, HSTV-L, M4A3E2(76), M26s, and more have been made or are becoming over-br'd because people facing them are fucking retarded and good players are able to make average/good vehicles look OP in the US tree; yet anyone who knows basic comparison skills and a basic understanding of the game would be able to tell those vehicles are just average or equal to the competition at the BRs they SHOULD be at.

[@-Hari-03]

@@dierare exactly, in THEORY their balancing method is good, but only in theory

[@gapast3669]

F-104 is the bad guy in the class for which everyone else have to suffer punishment collectively instead of him only

[@dierare]

its even worse, because the F-104A doesn't get any punishment through this, bad guys that make the whole class suffer punishment also get the same punishment

[@Hadgerz]

he's the rich brat who just cruises through school doing no work and the teachers can't punish because his parents fund the school, so the principal insists the whole class has to suffer.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@Hadgerzhe’s not so hot once an aim-9p or l is heading towards him

[@choppergunner8650]

Funny enough, I wouldn't mind all of the F-104s going up in BR if they got a change to their flight models. Shit barely even turns at high altitudes

[@mikeyplayz8438]

@@choppergunner8650mf it’s a pencil with a afterburner slapped on it of course it can’t turn at altitude.

[@EdgeR2]

operation skill issue

[@BenjiBoi696]

Gaijin doing everything based on statistics but they can’t see the statistics of how many people hate their decisions 😂

[@firetruck988]

I don't believe they balance via "player statistics". They cherry pick what they want to be good, bad players fly these vehicles, and it causes a feedback loop where the statistics justify terrible balance because the players are correcting for it based on skill level and spending money.

[@rifwann]

Its statictic based on real money instead of game data..

[@unitedfront9717]

​@@rifwannyeah its becoming more and more like a mobile game they just want ppl to be frustrated so they GE .....dame thing as with modifications

[@pyencdocde5716]

Yo hold on, red in his logo, and he's venting?

[@gnomeachu8045]

amogos

[@danielmolinar8669]

📮

[@BroDog555]

Sus

[@p_filippouz]

The magic of gaijin Fixing 1 thing and breaking 50 others

[@TheCadman069]

This is too accurate.

[@absboodoo]

And that 1 thing is not even really fixed well.

[@DzinkyDzink]

That way you never run out of things to fix!

[@pinngg6907]

1 step forward 5 steps backwards

[@absboodoo]

@@pinngg6907 We need to bring the old Soviet commissar back. "NOT A STEP BACKWARD" with their maxim gun.

[@Liniyka]

Gaijin actually addressing the better option and REFUSING to go with it in favor of a terrible one speaks volumes of how much they care about the playerbase (and perhaps of their competency)

[@Bobspineable]

Well because they know within a couple of weeks nobody will care anymore. Not like a boycott would work because the last one didn’t really work as most people didn’t even participate.

[@poopstick924]

Their logic doesn't even make sense. They say that moving the f104 up would be worse than moving the f86 and mig15 down, bc moving the f104 up would affect both it and the f86 and mig15. And they somehow fail to realize that moving the f86 and mig15 will affect both those planes, and all the 7.0s that they will now be able to face. Fucking stupid

[@AxlePlaysGames]

Let’s just say I’m very glad I transferred my Elite Dangerous account to PC yesterday

[@cheesuschrist5017]

Fellow Elite:Dangerous gamer I see. The engineering grind wasn’t half as painful as one tech tree in War Thunder XD

[@ChinbiBro]

It's like a slap in the face

[@Vogelchen]

if I die Gaijin will get the kill credit because they already caused me severe brain damage

[@randomguy477]

Such an underrated comment

[@williewilson2250]

Until it bugs out, you crash and burn, then the game rules it as a toaster bath incident and no one gets any kills credit

[@Supercohboy]

Pfft, doubtful, someone else will swoop in and get the kill credit even though you were obviously already critted, the severe damage mechanic has been a coin toss for the past few hotfixes.

[@daddytito917]

They got a crit on my will to live

[@Volpeusz]

nah only assist

[@justushett152]

shout out to scrongled milk for being the funniest patreon name for years

[@dreccasawa9975]

Gaijin in 2026: We're moving Reserve planes to BR -1.0. Top Tier aircraft like the F-35 or Su-57 will be moved from 13.3 to 13.7.

[@Supercohboy]

Also Gaijin in 2026: NEW 12.7 PREMIUM VEHICLES AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER TODAY! ONLY $119.99!! PRE ORDER AND GET A STUPID GUN TO MAGNET-FRIDGE ONTO THE SIDE OF YOUR VEHICLES, A DUMB TITLE THAT SHOWS OFF HOW MUCH OF A FINDOMMED PAYPIG YOU ARE, AND A DECAL THAT SOMEONE MADE IN 15 MINUTES!!!

[@dosidicusgigas1376]

From 13.3 to 10.0

[@loicalex]

As an avid 9.0ish player I can 100% confirm the F104 at 9.3 is singlehandedly destroying the gameplay at this BR. To the point you wished to face F-5C instead because you'd have more chance to actually fight them on equal terms. Brain rotten snail

[@kingghidorah8106]

the f-104a could go to 11.0 with flares and two aim9j's and it would kick ass. And for those with "muh historical accuracy" the f5c has flares for the same reason the f5a has flares too so it's not because it's an export variant; the swift f7 had no cannons just the fireflash missiles, the r27er didn't even push half of the kilonewtons it's rocket does in game, the j7w1 was not a shitbrick but rather something that would be similar to a mixture between a p51h and a spitfire lf mk9 so in other words if it were accurate it would be the gripen of props

[@JamBaked]

@@kingghidorah8106never understood why all the 10.0+ br F104s have flares except the Chinese one

[@Bobspineable]

@@JamBakedJapanese one doesn’t have flares either

[@JamBaked]

@@Bobspineable does it get better missles as a trade off? I don’t really see the point other than “Muh historical accuracy”

[@giuseppecorigliano5963]

@@JamBaked id rather have flares at least i can somewhat dodge aim9l

[@aesthetic3355]

Gaijin really watched topgun and took the "it's not the plane its the pilot" thing to heart lol

[@Hazey652]

Uptier 2 planes or randomly downtier like 10 planes (Venom is now same br as a mig17 lmao) Some planes are just created more equal than others I guess.

[@purplfedora800]

"All planes are balanced, but some planes are more balanced than others."

[@semprequevoceolharoscoment437]

Meanwhile F104S TAF of Italy, the only high tier premium jet to grind italy is still on 11.0 where it gets sucked into 12.0 uptier blackhole 85% of all matches (sad because this actually isn't irony) against F16, MIG29 and F20. AIM9P vs an entire lobby of all-aspect missiles, and on a plane that can't turn and if you climb you insta die to AIM7F/R24/Phoenixes

[@mikemandalorian9226]

Doesn't help that f-104 sucks ass when facing modern jets and speed doesnt help, or really anything in this game with that brick flight model.

[@thatoneguy1741]

Well I definitely wouldn’t want to be facing that thing at any lower of BR

[@uladzimirhryharovich8852]

yeah sure BUT high tier prem byers must suffer so its fine

[@exhausting_thoughts]

You already have the Hungarian MiG-23MF to comfortably grind rank VII-VIII, from this update onwards, everything else beyond that fact it's just basic, low effort victimism/bait.

[@ivaniii9707]

Not to mention it doesn't even have speed or climb rate going for it as the Mirages (2000) are just faster in a straight line.

[@DaisiesTC]

I still don't understand why the T-2 does perfectly fine at 9.7 but Gaijin seems to think the 104, which is faster, wouldn't be able to handle it.

[@sabinvanvuuren5748]

busy getting rockets for the f104c because a t2 used them on * of my aim9Ds the other day. had to invite the dude to the squadron.

[@Eclipse-lw4vf]

It’s fuckin mind blowing

[@DaisiesTC]

@@sabinvanvuuren5748 Yeah I always run at least one rocket pod when I fly the T-2. Not necessary in downtiers or partial uptiers, but its the only way to effectively counter stuff like Aim 9L's. Stuff like Aim 9D's can at least be outran or dodged if you're going fast enough (though that is easier in the 104 since the T-2 is a good bit slower, and bleeds speed pretty hard).

[@karlonovak9728]

As a new rank 6 player I've got to say that F-104A can't do shit against hoards of SU25k and A10 wallet warriors firing their missiles all willy-nilly.

[@ku1]

to be fair that has way better missiles

[@jefflee4527]

WT is only alive because there ain’t no competition

[@gabrielneves6602]

*Sadly, there ain't no competition.

[@sadmoyai1197]

@@gabrielneves6602It’s a dialect, dude.

[@pkemr4]

World of jets when

[@Rayjacker]

@@pkemr4 World of Warplanes does exist, but from what i've seen plane variety isn't there, it's even more arcade-y than WT's arcade and there's basically no players.

[@anrw886]

​@@gabrielneves6602There isn't any competition*

[@m.v.a.l7669]

Don't forget the battle pass with copy paste planes that should have been in the tech tree in the first place

[@ReallyBillyBoggs]

yes but in defense of the battle pass IL it has a rear gunner which the standard one should have had in the first place so yes it is a copy paste but its a copy paste that has an improvement

[@isaacbacka8731]

@@ReallyBillyBoggsthat is literally not in defense of it at all. U are just pointing out how they paywall lock as many improved vehicles as possiboe

[@ReallyBillyBoggs]

@@isaacbacka8731 yeah true although you can get the battle pass IL for free ....just the battle pass tank is pay to get ...they do have a bad habit of "if you don't get it you gotta pay for it" like if I don't finish the final a nodes on the battle pass I would have to buy it and that's annoying considering how gaijin no longer adds lower br stuff n when they do it blows hard.

[@kerotomas1]

Gaijin just don't understand that they need to stretch out the BR system by at least 2.0 if not more to decompress it. This is an issue for years upon years now yet nothing has been done about it. The F104A is not just about the insane speed against its peers but also the 20mm 6000 fire rate high velocity vulcan against shitty low velocity low fire rate 20 and 30mm guns. You can easily snipe people with it from 1.5km.

[@mockingbird0901]

Oh, they understand it. Problem is, people won't pay to stop the pain if they do. Wouldn't want people to enjoy the game. Better to have them get mad, pay, get mad again and then leave

[@kerotomas1]

@@mockingbird0901 true i can relate to these players i have countless high tier premium stuff too to ease the horrible grinding experience (both playing in bad or badly BR'd planes/tanks and the terrible xp rewards of being free to play)

[@MrScientifictutor]

When game first came out it was only the equivalent of 0.3 difference. They changed it deliberately to increase pain. Also pricing doubled or more. I stopped buying anything after they did that.

[@stofferberry5919]

I finally quit after 8 years of War Thunder and 6k hours and went to Helldivers 2 as my multiplayer game. Best decision in gaming I have ever made so far.

[@ChutneyGames]

You'll come back, but you'll have alot more fun than you used to because you don't give a shit about grinding or doing really good

[@stofferberry5919]

@@ChutneyGames I've been in that stage for three years already, but now I'm completely done. The game is uninstalled and the account is gone.

[@sooryan_1018]

You'll come back when they are YF23s I swear on your balls

[@williewilson2250]

I'm close to doing that, I got a series x recently and have been playing hell let loose nonstop now

[@terminallydrunk1900]

Chuck us ur acc.

[@kingghidorah8106]

gaijin doesn't realize that by decompressing and adding more ranks (actually doing it, not moving planes on higher ranks without changing the BR like they did with f4e and mig21 smt) people would have to play more to unlock more vehicles since that would imply defoldering, forcing you to actually buy 5 vehicles many more times (and thus go full on micro transactions or whaling )

[@rienplayz9903]

I just realized how much worse the grind would get

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@rienplayz9903 yes, but the game would be balanced. What do you prefer? progressing constantly while having fun? or dying 9 out of every 10 matches to an undertiered trash, not having fun? I prefer to take my time while being well psychologically.

[@rienplayz9903]

@@kingghidorah8106 Oh I agree with you completely. I’m all for more BRs. It just interesting to think about

[@DigitalShaolin]

Dude, they just have to decompress. I don’t know why you want to do it in a way that fucks over the players who haven’t grinded the whole game like you or who aren’t into ww2 vehicles. We need BR decompression, they’ve added plenty ranks and we don’t need more, unless you want to grind your bomber lines out to get the next top tier plane while everyone else will have it weeks in advance

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@DigitalShaolin i'm talking from a business standpoint, they will not decompress to make us suffer and buy premium, the queue time is bull and it was made up by gaijin. Of course I don't wanna stay grinding for three years a single tree, but does giving the players all what they want benefit gaijin?

[@SteelxWolf]

Forgot to mention earlier… Gaijin forced the F-104S to deal with R60s/9J/9G etc knowing it should have flares. Its radar is trash and the 9J really wasnt an excuse to keep it in a state of guaranteed death when an enemy is within missile kill range. Later on things like the R23/24T made it even worse.

[@user-vt2vj9ot1o]

I think the problem is the +- 1.0 br difference you can see in matches. It is just impossible to balance such a wide range of vehicles without leaving someone frustrated

[@FatAgnus03]

Sure ! when i take my D520 (3.0) and i see 3-4 XP50 (4.0) 2000 meters above me, the only think i want to do is "press J".

[@ZGD-yy9oy]

The one guy who understands

[@MANNYzZ]

10:32 this is something gaijin would do The F-104 Spam in 9.3 makes anything playing lower than 9.3 just unplayable if you are against usa or china because f-104 legit play like an Fw-190,miss all their shots then just runn away Mig19 is pretty good speed but has insane dogfight performance which makes it so strong at 9.3 as not much can catch it or even dogfight it, and then there is the lightningf6... personally i have had sucess using the swift f7 to counter the f-104 spam because they all are headon monkeys and when u fire a fireflash or aa-nord at them they almost never dodge it

[@VowellVentures]

😂😂😂 you must have seen me fly my 190's!!!! "YAY I gotta kill!!!! Crap... I need to reload..."😂😂😂😂 Still love flying the D9, F8 and now 152 even though I spend most of my time planting them in the ground while on fire.

[@ComradeFury]

It's amazing how we'vre gone full circle back to when the Lightning F.6 was added 4 years ago, and learned nothing

[@jacketdp9626]

They don’t want to, they’ve pretty much reinforced their statement where the money goes, they get special treatement As if Volumetric, Spall Liner, half assed Hullbreak, Severe Brain Damage, and increased drag for shells (specifically for Air RB) wasn’t a clear answer enough from Gaijin combine with the wrong people in the bed At this point, another boycotting is needed since it’s a working method that one time unless they racked up more clueless people than the dedicated one’s

[@michaelvigil5321]

​@jacketdp9626 i agree with the other stuff but come on dude volumetric makes sense in war thunder's gameplay and technical design. People complaining about volumetric ruining their shots as if weird shots didn't exist before it was in the game😑 and you probably just haven't learned how to aim in a way that would avoid volumetric being an issue

[@jacketdp9626]

@@michaelvigil5321 📽

[@aker1993]

Hell if the lightning f6 has a proper performace of the redtop missile its should be put at 9.7 or 10.0 but since gaijin are greedy fvcks they put the sea vixen at 8.7 and premium now the redtop is now in limbo in the name of balance.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@aker1993 Sea Vixen is actually pretty balanced, this thing is as helpless at 9.3 just like the rest of 8.7, and also usless if you face it head-on. Most of 8.7 players cant dodge even aim9b however (intentionally, not by accident).

[@xtrathickv2]

A complete revamp of the BR system is the only solution to the issue. Adding 1.0 BR every 6 months will no longer cut it; an X.5 BR(between X.3 and X.7) would fix a lot of "unbalanceable" vehicles and add 12+ new battle ratings. But obviously thats too much work for them.

[@lightyagami5365]

X.5 doesn't make sense at all. X.3 and x.7 are approximations of x.333333... and x.6666666... . So, to divide it into 4, it should be like x.0 , x.25 , x.5 and x.75

[@b4ptist]

I've wondered why the hell the brs are as they sit? it makes no sense to have 5.0 5.3 5.7 6.0 why not have 5.25 5.50 5.75 6.0? it gives a ton of breathing room and lets you tinker much better with Brs.

[@PzIV-E]

Me: maybe I'll take out the Me-262 again, see if I can't get a downtier Gaijin: you can't get a downtier Me: well that isn't very fun Gaijin: also there are sabres in uptiers

[@destroyur7476]

Even worse is that the 262 can face the f9f-8 with MISSILES

[@keenan_wt]

​@@destroyur7476missiles are hardly the issue with the 262

[@marcox4358]

Sabres are hardly an issue, 262 has better turn rate than Sabre, problem is the acceleration. it all comes to skill.

[@PzIV-E]

@@marcox4358 The sabre turns tighter and faster, what are you talking about

[@marcox4358]

@@PzIV-E because I've done 1vs1 with my friend and in several battles, 262 turns tighter, the rest is skill

[@thatguysky123]

I can't believe the VEAK 40 is going to 7.7.

[@Rururudenko]

They remove VT round from it

[@thatguysky123]

@Rururudenko it is still a moster AA though

[@chocboy5640]

That's honestly my least favorite change of the patch. The M247 (at 9.0) is almost identical to the VEAK, but they chose to remove the VT and drop it down to a BR with 1 singular vehicle at it. Hell, the VEAK was good enough to be used as AA with the 9.3 and 9.7 (certainly better than the Lvrbv) lineups with the VT. I definitely think 8.7 wasn't that great of a BR for the VEAK, but gaijin (yet again) made a completely backwards decision.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@Rururudenko Dude. Gepard is 8.3 with same setup.

[@seskorirkeashimrui3556]

Yeah it isn't fair, I love the m247 and I can really empathize with the Veak players on this

[@Velolyn]

Maybe the upcoming ground and air BR separation helps with the all-aspect problem. Something like the Q-5L is a pain to use in ARB because you have 0 flares and an AV-8C can easily kill you, but in GRB it makes some matches unplayable. A few weeks ago I spawned a Strela-10M2 to watch a Q-5L spawn in, climb to 30k ft, drop a GBU on me, and my seeker never spotted him and I had no cover due to it being an open-field map where leaving the exact spawn meant I could get sniped. We lost the match and he got 4 kills. Kinda low on hope that they'll fix anything though because they didn't wait and just did the opposite of that decision by lowering all the planes and moving the Strela from 9.3 -> 10.0 -> 10.3. Because why shouldn't something with a 1.5mi optical seeker go against an premium IRCM 20mm-armored heli with no electrical parts, systems, or propellers being modelled to take damage that can carry 16 5mi-range ATGMS that can be guided with thermals and a very high zoom while protecting itself against air using 4 ATAS or 2 Aim-9L :|

[@SHEEPS_123]

hey defyn, you should do a video on peoples air battles again sometime, i always love those. keep up the good work!!

[@boragultekin3239]

I don't know why everyone is complaining as if Gaijin is doing something wrong. They do this on purpose. Trees that are less grinded out are gonna get buffed or made meta for a WHILE, so that the addicted players who can't help themselves but to have the best there is will pay good money to grind those trees. Just look at how many people grinded out Sweden for the sake of Gripen. Gaijin will make meta rotate nations and they do it 100% on purpose. All part of the plan to sell more premiums.

[@Avery.D99]

No this is exactly why the player base despises Gaijin and its antics, WE KNOW its on purpose and for the benefit of profit, I would like to think we as a community can understand that. What we Disagree with is the fact we are being told its for OUR BENEFIT, being told that we the devs have listened, Big Improvements and match making balances are in the works, and then we end up having our favorite line ups ruined while having a 70 dollar DLC added and any and all major bugs that have plagued the game the past 10 years, completely ignored or made worse. If you are gonna bend us over Gaijin, dont make it look like its for our benefits.

[@hellohelloington9442]

well said, especially in terms of that point on the A10 and Su25. I regularly watch your channel and it really has had me wanting to play air RB, and I have at low BRs.. but knowing that I'm going to get to 9.7 or something and get totally buttfucked by A10s in a flareless MiG (like the MiG-21S I've tried using) or something (because I will most likely never be good enough to consistently dodge AIM9Ls in it) is incredibly discouraging. I've been sticking to ground RB for a reason. And, on that note, there's also the point nobody seems to talk about.. the learning curve. A new, free-to-play/low-cost player starts playing air RB and grinds up. Great, they're learning everything as they gradually climb the ranks, they figure out how to dogfight, boom and zoom, et cetera. They eventually get their first jet and figure out how things change. You reach missiles, but you understand how missiles work and they're not that super powerful yet so you can learn how to combat them. Then you reach the realm of the A10 and Su25, and suddenly there's 7 at them on the deck with practically undodgeable missiles (which they will be for the player in this example) that probably have better flight characteristics than your plane does. It fucks up a new player's progression & learning, and I'm sure it discourages them just as much when they catch an AIM9L up their ass every time they try to play. But it's okay, because they'll buy a top tier premium and never have to have this issue again. It's insane. Is it weaponized incompetence, or intentional??

[@mehmetozturk771]

Yeap everyone saying SU-25k and A-10 have bad flight models but they are slow and they have a tight turning circle they will instantly reverse many planes in that BR, absolutely insane in head-on and have all aspects in low br

[@bakaneko6639]

​@@mehmetozturk771are you just gonna fight them where they are good at then complain ? Better just head-on or dog fight them am I right

[@dutchdragon2472]

Please do more of this Defyn! Speak out for us! Gaijin needs to listen to their players!

[@TheLazyKat]

Gaijin collapse in just 5 days......(It will be over)

[@nyaways]

I think another thing might be that they try to balance BR with ground RB? Maybe they could make a separate BR bracket for Air and Ground in order to change/balance things better as you stated. Great video defyn love it

[@doggogaming6895]

Have you not seen the roadmap my guy?

[@ThePurpleguy123]

Thank you for namedropping the R2Y2 in specific, it's been severely affected by these new planes as of late, and it's only going to get worse now that Sabres and MiGs are the same BR as it.

[@fishjohn014]

I really don't get it.....aren't there enough people playing Air RB to decompress? Average wait time for NA servers are usually less than 30 seconds The wait times wouldn't change that much if they went to 14.0 and you could easily balance everything with that much room

[@unitedfront9717]

Its about the money....frustration gets ppl to spend real Dollars to skip the Frustration...its basiclly the same with high tier modifications for wich you would need to grind like 50 hours....gaijin now uses mobile game tactics

[@h3069]

@@unitedfront9717 warthunder would be such a good game if it wasn't free to play

[@SilentButDudley]

There’s no way the F5E FCU statistics show it’s underperforming. I love that thing, having a 3.5 k/d on that thing.

[@hubril7921]

one easy way to decompress is changing the matchmaker from the original +-1.0 to +-0.7(0.6), effectivley decompressing the BR to like 15.0 but without any actual br changes It will make stuff better for everyone I tell you

[@FatAgnus03]

Agree.

[@independantpanda9194]

meanwhile the hunter f6 on the british tree is a subsonic aircraft, no afterburner, no flares and missiles that require you to get close to people is at 9.7

[@jacksonrhodes1500]

I took a break from WT starting a few weeks ago and I feel so relieved

[@phantompotato99]

defyn do u think the A4N should get a br increase ? or should remain at the same br .What changes will you make about it and what about the A4E

[@Zeelidox]

Everyone: please just listen to the community and make good changes to the game Gaijin: nah, imma do my own thing

[@1Roamingwolf]

Another pathetic ruZZ bot putin lover...reported

[@unitedfront9717]

More frustration ->> offer Premium stuff to skip suffering ......its a clear intentional cashgrabb , gaijin knoes full well what they are doing.

[@gunner3449]

All aspect missles should a hard cap matchmaker that never lets them see a plane that doesnt get flares

[@gemini_1085]

There needs to be a .5 BR and I’ve been saying that since 2016. I’d like to see a LOT of changes to MatchMaker. Namely a red vs blue mode, a hard cutoff for props vs jets, historical events in the match maker and a large enough decompression to leave literal gaps so we can move vehicles around like the F104 that don’t belong above or below. I considered making a detailed forum post but gaijin has the big stupid so I doubt they’d even read it

[@Jack_Gibby]

I’ve never really understood why certain planes need to be a certain BR to be a certain rank.

[@ARZstuff]

My prediction for 2026: max br 13.0 with the latest and most armed planes, f104 at 6.0, and meta planes being premium costing 160usd.

[@yumeryumerov1911]

I usually very rarely comment on YT, but dude I cannot express how much I agree with you on all of this. I kinda even got emotional listening to you with that tone, but honestly the F-104A has been ruining the lobbies because it's basically untouchable if the pilot doesn't make mistakes. Trying to have fun in the 8.3-8.7 bracket with different planes (G.91, MiG-15, Sabres, M.D. 452, which are not bad at all) but whenever I get a tiny bit of enjoyment F-104 is there to ruin it, and there are LOTS of these nowadays. Sure I reversed or just straight shot down these at times, but mainly because of their mistakes. It's super annoying and even tilts me at times, because the only way to avoid them is probably play US, but that's not the point. And I refuse to play this thing, knowing how much pain is on the other side. Oh well, let's just hope SOMEHOW that the lower BRs are not complete shitshow in the future

[@sindicite3566]

preach def, it would be nice to see them balance by planes that have similar capabilites when fighting or even opposite capabilites but still able to fight back instead of this uphil fight where you have to hope for a downtier to have a good match

[@LifeOfExo]

Someone being this direct, is such a breath of fresh air.. Gaijin needs to get these changes on track soon otherwise certain Air RB brackets as a whole would be completely unplayable.

[@unitedfront9717]

I think thats their plan....they want to make early jets hell so the players buy those very expensive jet premiums.....its literally mobile game tactics. I think to them WT is not much but a money printing machine anymore

[@Astraben]

I´m going to say this again: missiles should never have been added to War Thunder. Not IRs, not Radar, not anything.

[@oofdotcom]

yup they should of put everything without missiles then make war thunder 2

[@heliogonzalezsanchez8227]

the problem is not missiles or jets with missiles is gaijin not even trying to balance them because you can definetly can.

[@Astraben]

@@heliogonzalezsanchez8227 The only thing they've contributed is a counter to the very same supersonic speeds they got powercrept by.

[@kidwithnohats4498]

Valid. Everything said is pretty perfect. I recently grinded Japan air by working my way up the tech tree, and even though I had a pretty good time, as I got to the Sabre and past that, the fun just dropped off exponentially. And it’s exactly because of all the F-104s to which you have absolutely no counter to in the 8.7 Sabre, and then because of the bullshit all aspects while playing planes like the T-2 and even the F-104. That being said, I was still outrunning absolutely everything other than other F-104s in the F-104J at 10.3(and 11.3 in full uptiers). What does that tell you about the plane? HOW IS IT 9.3??? To add to the point on the second 163 being 8.7 instead of 8.0 because of the guns, the Japanese F-1 faces the same bullshit. I’m pretty sure it’s the exact same plane as the T-2, but it gets literally two extra AIM-9Ps. And it’s 10.3 up from 9.7, and still has no flares. This is honestly just confusing. And I’m not even mentioning the dozens of other planes in the middle BRs which are overtiered just because they have some extra guns. I’m happy that the Sabre is being moved down, since it’s my favourite plane to play, but now instead of a decently fair match, I might be curbstomping F-2H pilots, Attackers, MiG-9s, fucking B-29s and whatever else is unlucky enough to have been uptiered to 8.3. The 7.7 Thunderjet already struggled against 8.7 Sabres and MiGs, so… thanks Gaijin! As for all aspects, I wish they’d separate Air vs Ground BRs for planes, much like how they separate arcade brs from realistic. There’s my rant on it. Thanks for the video as always.

[@davidhume6275]

You need to do more of these videos! We trust you 10x more than Gaijin. Have you seen the player numbers are back down to 100k on a regular basis

[@sidchicken2308]

Thank you for pointing out how bad the R-60s and AIM-9Ls are for 10.0 matches. I stopped playing those matches because of the endless all-aspect missile spam.

[@user-jy6cn3jy8g]

Yeah at least you can outrun r-60m cause this missile has less range than even Matra Magic 1/2 but 9L’s that can hit targets from 4-5km(my personal record is 5km but I’ve seen how it hits target from 7km if was launched from the sky) are just destroying any flareless plane

[@hubril7921]

and they are getting spammed because they are premium jets and people KNOW they will get free kills with undertiered missiles and abuse the ever living shit out of it I saw 7 A-10s in a game few days back on 1 team, that is how bad the spam is

[@sidchicken2308]

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g yeah, sometimes you can outrun them… if they’re fired from below or behind, and you’ve got speed already. But if you haven’t got flares and they come at you head-on? Good luck, son.

[@user-jy6cn3jy8g]

@@sidchicken2308 I meant you can (have a chance) to outrun these missiles. But you have literally zero chance against 9L’s if you don’t have flares. You have to be closer than 1.5km to the Su-25 to be killed by r-60m while a-10 can kill you from 5km. Now sum it with the fact that spotting system in the game works how it supposed to work in like 40% or less cases and in some cases doesn’t work at all (when in headon planes appear in 0.5km in front of you or when missiles don’t render at all) and you’ll get that you can be 1-2km away from a-10 and he’s not spotted but you’re spotted for him

[@Gibbo263]

we NEED 15.0

[@geerid]

Or 20.0 and just re-rated all vehicles from start one by one.

[@twosox3648]

Videos like this give so much context and information to relatively new players like myself. I played OG War Thunder way back in the day, and now returning, nothing makes sense. Why are my gunners such shit, why are 2 guys in each match getting ungodly numbers of kills, what happened to this game? Am I just misremembering? So thank you for doing these videos and explaining many of the decisions and ramifications. I would love to see some videos tailored to guys like me, explaining how War Thunder has changed over the years and maybe some tips for how I can adapt. Probably way too niche of a topic, but hey, a guy can hope right?

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

"Fix one small problem, and create 100 big problems. This is the way." - Gaijin

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

I think gaijin sees planes barely ever getting flown and, instead of realizing that a low play rate likely indicates that it is underpowered, simply shrug their shoulders at the lack of available data. They should also definitely look at raw performance characteristics and move things based on that too.

[@kingghidorah8106]

gaijin doesn't look at the play rate. Gaijin only looks at the net stats, so if there's only four sea fury players for every four hundred f4u 4b players and these four have a higher net KD than the four hundred f4u 4b together then the sea fury would probably go even higher because gaijin thinks it's good. Because these four players average between 4.5 KD while the corsair players score a total of 0.9kd.

[@therealwildboar1007]

@@kingghidorah8106 Meanwhile they don't realize that those four Sea Fury players are also the best players (statwise) out of the entire analysis. Usually with bad vehicles, the only players that can tolerate the gameplay are the good ones.

[@MIG31foxhound74]

THAT IMPRESSION AT 13 18 MADE ME LAUGH TILL MY SIDES HURT THANKS DEFYN

[@DarkSpyro707]

As someone who's helping a friend grind through 9.3 in his f-104, i see this as an absolute win. He had just gotten his 104 too and its been pretty fun. I couldnt imagine if it gotten bumped up to 10.0, i would pretty much just abandoned him or he'll likely just have to quit at that point because there's no way he's gonna survive at 10.0 104A. And he would pretty much have to go back down to the F-80c-10 at 7.7, a BR we had to claw him out of, just to grind to swap over to the Demon, the only other viable 9.3 option. Experiencing the whole 7.0 - 9.0 was awful (I had skipped those BRs in other nations) and I truly see the struggle. Its honestly the worst BR brackets in the game and I'm thankful that I'll never have to look back on such terrible planes to fly. I honestly do not see the fun of any of those planes. past 6.0 its a downward spiral until 9.3. I'd rather have the lower BRs kick rocks than than making it even harder to grind higher tier planes. Is this a "F you I got mine" mentality? Damn straight. I just need to get my friend out of 9.3 quick before gaijin finally comes to their senses and makes grinding out of 6 a pipe dream.

[@Terrados1337]

Can you put some A21RB (stock, with gunpod) footage with this audio? I'd watch it every day

[@p_filippouz]

Also lets not forget how they "saved" the mk24 but absolutely ignored the g91 preserie, r/1, r/3 and r/4. Those have not changed BR, and theyre worse than both the mig 15 and the f86. Im so sick of them being so hell-bent on not raising BRs. Why the HELL would they not do that??? Its literally THE best option available...

[@r3alityrjectna452]

Not even mentioning the early hunters, hell, all of the Hunters except the Swiss one because it gets countermeasures. And the Mysteres. And the F9Fs as mentioned. Nothing to see here.

[@pko6596]

F5E FCU going to 11.0 is just a joke for me considering the F5E is already 11.0 material while only having aim9js

[@gazlink1]

Currently all aircraft have +1/-1 matchmaking. A possible fix: Give some aircraft +1/-0.7 matchmaking if they're too strong when top tier. There's less aircraft that they can see, but there aren't many fair matchups for these aircraft anyway. This is true of a lot of mid tier jets depending on missiles/flares. So the F104 can still see 10.3, but can only go down to 8.7, i.e. it can't see 8.3. Also give some aircraft +0.7/-1 if they're too bad when bottom tier.

[@marcoderry9349]

Totally agree with you 100%. I'm a fairly new player that is now flying the Mig19S as part of the grind and you checked all the boxes of the things I've been complaining on while flying the mig15bis, the lim5p and the mig19s. The game feels like a coinflip every time the match starts

[@thepro08]

so you saying that the decision to uninstall this pos 120gb of shit from my hard drive years ago was a good decision ? gaijin is either given pay to win or never ending top tier that make as always cheating situations.... just the flairs no flairs, flairs that dont work, point and shoot invensible missiles... and in thanks its impossible to have a match without cheaters.... again gaijin destroy the game for the pay to win wallet pilots.

[@veterankasrkin7416]

I still want my free Abrmuz Gayjob!!

[@slayerofmidgets3201]

What if different missiles would affect your br, depending on the jet and missile, a4 for example could go up to 9.7 - 10.7 with 4 9L's and not be useless. of course, it requires that planes are actually balanced against each other in the first place and it would be a lot of effort to implement well, but with fox 3's coming soon i'd love to be able to turn f15 into an amraam bus but i cant see 12 fox 3's being balanced without its br changing

[@minelo]

one thing I have been wanting for years now is plane type specific RP / SL multipliers - for example increasing the reward strike aircraft get for killing ground targets and bombing bases while decreasing the reward you get for destroying a plane. This would make it so stuff like Su25s, A10s etc dont have to rely on air to air kills to get a good reward -> giving them a higher BR without seriously harming their rewards. Same goes for fighter and bombers. Just the other way around

[@monolit15]

Soon biplanes will fight Mig-9s and jet powered super prop premiums 😅

[@swag_jay-_-2743]

A-4E should be 9.0, and theres no way to say this is wrong.

[@wg4112]

its shit at 8.7 already

[@swag_jay-_-2743]

@@wg4112 yea, 60 flares, 2 missiles, tv guied missiles, bullpups, ccrp and better acceleration than most planes at this br. Like defyn said, get fucked, this plane is broken in air rb and ground rb, the only ones who disagree are pussy ass americans who like to bully 7.7 and 50's planes and tanks with missiles.

[@grahh7234]

@@wg4112it’s an absolute cas monster at 8.7

[@wg4112]

@@grahh7234 yeah i dont play ground but if that is the case, they should add seperate brs for ground and air

[@Master_Teaz]

@@wg4112 they are

[@animeexile8204]

I love your content plz keep it up and know at least I'm here for this you rock

[@RandomNameSoRandom]

Pilots issues are kind of music hehe Ps what did u expect when Swedish light tank is on same br with derivasia lol

[@exhausting_thoughts]

I don't buy it. I don't buy your point Def. In your stat card you manage to consistently get -even more- abusive K/Ds on broken platforms rather than the mediocre ones, and i get you're helluva good player Defyn but i don't buy that you have a clearly better K/Ds on both Su-27/J-11 or your 102 K/D Gripen than for example the F-15, and then you come with your extensive yapping about HOW ON FREAKING EARTH the F-15 is not a 12.7 plane. Same goes for the F-104A/C/G whatever variant, idc about your K/Ds at all, but you're looking battleratings and brackets from such a different perspective than the average, it comes logical that your vision of balance is absolutely distorted for the average skill level of the playerbase. Just let things happen, people will play and it's a high chance that in the end this entire BR compression won't be that terrible as you're foreshadowing.

[@just-someone-random]

U are playing f104 arent u🤣🤣....its not just him but like 90% of player base that isnt playing usa in that br....dont get me wrong but 4 f104s can win game alone...even vs all aspect missles since they can outrun fcking aim9l...had a lot of games where 3 decent f104 playes won game alone and only way to kill this thing is by going head on....vs fcking brttt gun.....as for mig15 and sabres going down,its gonna ruin already fucked 7.3 and 7.0 planes

[@exhausting_thoughts]

@@just-someone-random You got my word that i have more games in the F-100 than the F-104, i don't have any particular conflict of interest in the matter. Last BR changes the F9F got from 8.3 to 8.0. The plane got to sealclub Me-262/Kikkas? nope. The plane got absolutely meta? Neither Everyone else cried? absolutely. Again, let things happen and then draw your conclusions, everyone in this community is so dramatic and pretends to be the owner of the game's balance to the point that is ridiculous.

[@just-someone-random]

@@exhausting_thoughts Well,at least f100 is balanced so i get u...however f104 is kinda overpowered and even worse, low lvl players spam it like there is no tommorow especialy now and sad thing is,even they are good in it and that says a lot,hope u get my point bro

[@rainsilent]

@@exhausting_thoughts "Same goes for the F-104A/C/G whatever variant, idc about your K/Ds at all, but you're looking battleratings and brackets from such a different perspective than the average, it comes logical that your vision of balance is absolutely distorted for the average skill level of the playerbase." To be frank the average player has no business saying what plane is better than the other when the average player is willing to turn fight the A6M5 in a ~200kmh faster P-51D-30 and then says that the A6M5 is the superior plane and OP.

[@exhausting_thoughts]

​@@rainsilent "To be frank the average player has no business saying what plane is better than the other" ...Go and create a videogame with several hundred thousand players online, and then balance it based on the opinion of professional players (or at the very least, Content Creators). Best case scenario your game will end up as Halo (terrible and no one new wants to join the multiplayer scene), worst case scenario your game will end up as Sea of Thieves (terrible, and also dead). That's what dedicated sweatlord opinions do to videogames when they have the tools to work with devs, you don't end up balancing stuff for the masses, you rather kill the game because no one wants to invest time into worthless grind which is the usual solution for unbalanced stuff, and that's what you generate when you balance several planes -not just the F-104- upwards instead of downwards. But hey, it's balanced! Anyways P. S. CCs will never have a finantial perspective of the gamestate asw.

[@bootstraspbill]

I think the easiest solution is to remove the all aspect missiles from A-10 and Su-25 and move up the likes of F-104A etc. Su-25 and A-10 can play fine with R-60 and AIM-9G etc. Then they can add more A-10s with higher BR and better missiles like what they did with Su-25s.

[@kiki7170]

I still don't understand why they cannot move up the max br. I've been trying to spade the entire US tech tree for the last 3 months, and the longest queue time I wait for a match is 2 minutes, which I am in a fxcking B-29. In the case which I am in a plane over br 8.3 (which is the lowest br which is decided to move down), I wait no more than 1 minute. So basically it is 12+v12+ litterly all the time in supersonic arb, and still the queue time is no more than a minute now. And Gaijin think moving planes like F-104/Mig-19/Yak-38 to 9.7 and all 9.7 above to 0.3-0.4 br higher will make the waiting time too long? Makes absolutely no sense.

[@randomguy477]

Imagine when Gaijin adds stealth fighters, and you're fighting them in your F-16 or MiG-29, then those planes get downtiered and fight stuff like the F4C and J35A. The only long term solution I see is either increasing the max BR exponentially or just giving the modern planes their own gamemode entirely. Or never add them at all.

[@Ryzard]

7:00 - "it will not only effect our pockets- -their effectiveness,"

[@adoplwt]

“Finally Fixed, No More Jets!!! - P51H5NA on 3.7 will it work correctly?? | War Thunder update 3.17”

[@rodneycook3674]

I’d rather get killed by a missile than have a drawn out death fighting someone with a cracked flight model while not being able to do anything.

[@robpom5501]

I think one way to deal with this in part would be in full down-tiers or close to it'll limit your fuel load, difficult way to go about it though the ONLY reason they're not doing anything about BR is purely money related and soon enough they're going to get another clap back... it's so annoying to me why a company must always drain every dime on the table vs getting a fuck load of money and KEEPING your players happy without shafting them intentionally all the fuckin time... it's so stupid.

[@ctoid]

I cannot imagine a world where Vampire is at the same BR as Mig-15 or F-86. That thing is a pain in the ass to fly, by the time you get to where people are fighting, either your teammate just slammed all of the enemies off the sky, or you get into a 1v5 situation.

[@benjamn7205]

I still don’t understand for the life of me why they won’t fix the BR’s on aircraft that are clearly over-tiered. Ex: F4EJ ADTW and the Phantom II’s, the F104’s in general but especially the TAF, why am I fighting F16’s F14’s and Mig29’s? Ariete AMV Both the British Hunters (F.6 & FGA.9) The new event Jaguar. Plenty more examples I’m sure.

[@unitedfront9717]

More frustration ->> getting ppl to buy a premium to skip those terrible compressed brs

[@corrodan2995]

At this point ive given up on air battles completely.

[@dutchdragon2472]

Gaijin forcing BRs into The Box "Stay in the box." "NO!" "Stay in the box." "NO!"

[@Brice.D.]

Got it move all the mystere up in br - Gaijin probably

[@tino897]

For the past year or so I have developed a very irrational health anxiety to the point I won’t touch some stuff and do tests here and there. It makes me feel stupid 99% of the time as I know it isn’t true and my friends are getting fed up, then I remember that Gaijin exists with their “very logical” decisions and feel good as atleast I ain’t this stupid

[@DatFatThor]

Remember, the F104A needs to be 9.3 to keep it effective but the F104S at 11.3 is fine

[@LordGangrel]

For the compression when downtiering a plane you had an even more direct example: The Mk.24 will be at the same BR as the Mk.22. The only difference between them is the 150 octane fuel, which means you have a direct upgrade with +236 HP, +25 kph top speed, +3.3m/s climb and -0.6s turn time at the exact same BR.

[@sivertkind]

Balancing the vehicles based on statistics instead of the performance of the vehicle itself is creating a neverending problem. People use a vehicle -> People get good with vehicle -> Gaijin raises the br -> People switch vehicle, And repeat

[@tophatcat6424]

As an Italy main, running into an enemy F104a when playing anything at, around, or under its br range is terrifying, especially when in something like a G.91 pre serie or CL-13 Mk.4

[@tonyesta7220]

If gaijin keeps doing this but not solving the real problem, I could foresee that the May 2023 protest will happen in 2024 again.

[@kRIEG_elf]

It seems to me that the problem is that as soon as planes get (or encounter) missiles, missiles become the one primary deciding factor as to what BR the planes are. See also: All the Harriers. Wouldn't decreasing the range of BR you can play with fix this (or help significantly at least)?

[@ethanmurray9456]

Just a thought: what if the max up tier was decreased from 3 br brackets to 2 br brackets? For example 6.7 max tier would be 7.3 instead of 7.7.

[@tH3n3M3s1zz]

7:05 it will not benefit our pockets 💀

[@pinngg6907]

Talisman

[@landmarker]

They should just make smaller lobbies with a very narrow br range, like 0.3 or 0.4 difference, especially for higher tiers with aam. Just almost same br face each other. I believe there are enough players for that these days. At higher tiers, facing a higher plane with +1 br is almost unapproachable (think yak38 vs mig21smt vs mig23mld) and killing weaker planes with -1 br is not necessarily fun. Many planes where all fun to play and well balanced against other nations when they were top tier, but when new higher planes arrive, they render older top tier from useless to straight out unplayable, just due to the fact that they play in the same lobby with +1 higher br. it is not just the specific br of some planes as it is in the +-1 br matchmaker setting, especially for higher ranks. This is the real enemy in my opinion. A plane can be fine for example at it's br of 9.7 but it needs to face a 10.7 almost every game. You get up tiered 3 out of 4 games, which is manageable in lowers ranks, especially before aam. The matchmaker needs to chill out and narrow down it's band in higher tiers and form smaller lobbies. I don't appreciate the instant matchmaking, when the lobbies are such a mess. I can wait a bit more and enjoy flying the plane. Higher ranks need 8v8 or 12v12. No need to have 18vs18 or 20v20. With 10 players @ 11.3 and 10 players @ 10.3 on each side. The matchmaker now has a waiting time of at least 3 minutes before forming a small lobby. You can see that late at night, when players are less. These matches are way more enjoyable.

[@cobalt0681]

Defund, I would like to know your view, which 262 is the best at air to air?

[@Space_Reptile]

some planes need a BR buff bad and then you have planes like the SU25T and SM3 wich yes they get a pair of R73's but going 900km/h in 12.7 matches is uhhhhhhhhhhhhh they are in a very very wierd spot w/ modern avionics and weapons but a cold war CAS airframe that is helpless in alot of matchups unless the enemy relies on IR missiles like maybe i just suck at playing those airframes but they feel so helpless