Delayed Gatlings Are the Secret to Pressure | Guilty Gear Strive

[@ATLZombie]

I was just in the lab trying to figure out why my pressure was so buns and then Sajam comes through with big info. Bless this man.

[@spencer7439]

yo shoutout to Moste, the thumbnails are godlike and the editing has been clean. Sajam has been an FGC figurehead for a while now and its because of the amazing content he creates on (and off) stream, but you can’t understate Moste’s contribution to the success of the channel. It takes effort to edit videos like this, but to have a good sense of humor to go with it is going above and beyond. One of the best editors in the game right now fr, its thankless work sometimes but i notice the effort you put in and appreciate u for it

[@sebz2892]

Damn, he's good at explaining stuff

[@juanguzman3351]

Wow I actually understand

[@finallyanime]

Old school Frame traps is definitely important. Was big in blazblue calamity trigger. Probably where I got most of my fight sense today

[@Dang0Fam]

I remember learning this and how to practice it in an old school Melty Blood guide

[@zhdude]

@@Dang0Fam Reverse beat stagger pressure is melty pressure 101. Catching a dude with c-satsuki 2c>2a>2c is still one of my favorite feelings

[@doncinati7644]

It came natural for me playing UNI

[@angryii5411]

First song I unlocked was Six Black Heavens Guns, best believe I popped off

[@alexeonbel4304]

That song goes stupid.

[@sauceinmyface9302]

I got big bang sonic, so goddamn good

[@boiboi7717]

is Birthday Train in this game?

[@DougtheSwede]

@@boiboi7717 Yes.

[@boiboi7717]

@@DougtheSwede LETS GOO IM BUYING IT

[@keichocomint]

oh sajam, you fool, ive been delaying my gatlings this whole time because it tKes me half a second to realize “oh they’re blocking”

[@nanashi-gaming]

I got a momentary throwback to UNI when I realized the same thing earlier today. Still can't get used to it, but it's easier with bigger buttons, so might as well start with those.

[@robertwizzy666]

Late comer to this but would like to say, as a Gio player, this is EXTREMELY important for her blockstrings. I reached a point where doing the regular blockstrings would just be met by a wall, and when o realized I could bait the reversals I jumped up a level

[@ZenithDiSole]

Saint Sajam, coming from the Heavens with his 3min videos showing Secrets Techs to boost our morale and give us a chance to join him to the Heavens!

[@VileGlory]

One of the things I try to learn in a fighting game are meatys and frame traps. They're especially helpful when a fighting game is new because nobody respects anything.

[@therealbahamut]

a method as old as fighting games, yet still an accidentally well kept secret somehow. It's basically intentionally dropping your combo to bait a reversal and reset your combo, just in a very particular context.

[@GigaChad-kg4yo]

This is exactly like in Tekken. As a Bryan player, you need to bait people into retaliating by delaying stuff slightly.

[@karue7581]

Really liking these short guides

[@darksoulsisafightinggame6872]

wow, I figured out delaying command normals by myself and it's how I started labbing CH combos

[@TopJewShalom]

Thanks for the PSA Sajam. I knew it was gap, but I had no idea the gap was this massive

[@ReversedFootage]

I read the title as "Delayed Gatlings Are the Secret to Pleasure" instead of pressure.

[@NexusARC]

Sajam you are awesome, and I can't wait to see more GG -Strive- videos from you, I really need the help, and your sense of humor makes everything so interesting to watch.

[@desenhista12]

Thanks for these amazing guides and tips, you're being really helpful to me as this is my first GG.

[@Hoagietf]

this 3 minute video singlehandedly carried me up 6 floors

[@wolfrox777]

Mission mode actually taught this (sort of)

[@blacksmithgames8739]

I believe this was in the mission mode, which is nice to see the devs teaching something so useful!

[@Sandro234]

I'm literally been labbing this today, great timing.

[@durmusaltan8957]

Best part of these videos is sajam using love the subhuman self

[@norm-p2v]

This man teach me what others channel didnt 🙌

[@GenericSoda]

unconvinced of streamer luck, if you get a vinyl copy of Strive's OST in the mail NOW we're talking

[@Seadawg1016]

just a thought I had while watching... these videos are GREAT but I wouldn't find this if I was searching to get good at strive ~ maybe make it "Guilty Gear Strive Tips" at the end and then it works for all games? idk but love you Sajam want you to have all the success you deserve

[@protodevilin]

For some reason, nobody ever expects me to walk backward and throw out 5K with Ram. Gets 'em every time.

[@tootsie_]

Hey Sajam can you make a short guide on defensive throws, like as a reversal option? Or maybe just reversal in general? I'm having a lot of trouble using them now that throws are actually punishable unlike Xrd lol, and Giovanna has not amazing reversal options.

[@ButchLesbianSolBadguy]

Hey, not sajam here Idk if this will help or if you already know some of the stuff I'm about to say but might as well say something small even if its obvious Defensive throws are not so much an escape option but rather as a way to punish fake or badly executed pressure/oki (kinda like a dp), for example.... Sol wants to c.s meaty you but times it wrong by 5 frames, you can just grab him as it would basically be your best option as a whiff punish/punish during startup, but if he times it right you will most likely get counter hit As for fake pressure just look at leo, you can grab his run-through as its not a frame trap or a true blockstring, he's just kinda hoping that you'll respect him and let him get away with it instead of getting a good punish in

[@thisistherun4015]

I thought Leo was just privileged in this aspect because of reverse beat, but it's so much stronger than I thought.

[@Duckus6]

I havent played any of the other GGs but this game kinda reminds me a lot with how DBFZ plays. This kind of stagger pressure is giving me some bardock flashbacks to some extend and RC is like a super cool spark+vanish

[@DjOneOne]

damn sajam can combo with multiple characters already, thx for video tho S tier content as always

[@gavin_is_gavin6292]

One thing I didn't here you bring up in this video (maybe it is too basic, or maybe it is actually not gatlings?), but I noticed moves had different properties if you delayed them. I am a newbie to GG, and playing Sol, if I spam 5S,5H, it knocks them away, but if I delay the 5H instead, same moves, same damage, but the opponent is not knocked away allowing you to follow up with more. Is this also "delayed gatlings", or is that something else? (I doubt Sajam will see this, so if anybody else knows...)

[@sanko111]

That's actually a different thing. Some moves like Sol's c.S or Ky's 2HS give this semi-juggle where the opponent gets lifted up slightly but they land back standing. Testing from Ky 2HS with an instant RC-cancel into his c.S, the c.S gives the same result as if it was hitting from the air, meaning the early parts of those semi-juggles are considered airborne. Because Sol gets his semi-juggle from a normal he can easily cancel into other normals, he can be picky with the timing. Ky can't do anything fast by itself from a 2HS, so this property isn't immediately apparent. tl;dr: those small lifting effects are technically airborne for a short duration

[@gavin_is_gavin6292]

@@sanko111 Thanks for the response, not sure if we are talking about the same thing. What I am sayin is if you very quickly input S,HS, the enemy will get knocked back and fly away from you, where if you Input S,HS with more of a delay between the inputs, the enemy will stay next to you allowing you to extend your combo. (sorry if that is what you were talking about, just didn't sound like it to me).

[@sanko111]

@@gavin_is_gavin6292 You'll see it's the same because if you just make the opponent jump and hit them with an f.S they'll fly away the exact same as quickly after c.S.

[@CodemanS1]

Fuckin' Big Blast Sonic *and* some fresh High Tops? This is some classic Sajam bullshit

[@wispyone3702]

Been doing this a lot with Leo's f.S into 5H Gatling, and cause Leo CH.5H leads into combo off of run-through and oki its pretty good.

[@jettmanas]

Ok, good to know. 6P, 2D, and maybe even others for command normals. And for delay- maybe S. Thanks for the vid.

[@SHOCKWAVE-cp5ri]

eeey yo Sajam i thank you very much man this helped me out alot

[@KiuanTroll]

May's theme is good, but Millia's theme is godlike.

[@SmileRYO]

Too distracted by the theme to learn...

[@fyuira9585]

So carry on, love the subhman self

[@Cbacn]

I’ve been noticing this with gio in training just messing around and was wondering about it. Now im nowhere near good enough to take advantage of it but still cool

[@xthechroniclesof.5554]

First song I unlocked was Keep yourself alive 2.

[@heythatsme5000]

One thing that confuses me in this game is distance, like ill (sol) 6p counter ky's s or h from almost half screen away and be like ok that works. Some tips regarding distancing would be helpful!

[@shifteleven]

So the Sol and Ky thing, 6P has upper body invulnerability, so Ky's f.S won't hit, but you extended Ky's hurtbox out with that long button to sol and now his 6P is hitting you. At least that's what I think is going on.

[@heythatsme5000]

@@shifteleven yea youre right. The hitbox for some moves in the game can be deceptive tho. I guess its just a matter of labbing it out haha.

[@Amutsal]

@@heythatsme5000 To put an even finer point on what he said: generally speaking attacks have a hurtbox just like your regular standing character. If your opponent sticks his arm out for an attack you now only need to graze his fingernail (or sword tip in the case of some characters) to land a hit. And if you hit at max distance with a long attack of your own you can easily end up with silly looking fullscreen hits.

[@shifteleven]

@@Amutsal good expanding on my point. thanks

[@shifteleven]

@@heythatsme5000 yeah. the hard part is realizing why, and after that it's just getting a sense of where things are on the boundaries. good luck!

[@pragmat1k]

I learned the power of delay yesterday on I-No. Added delay to my pressure and started getting perfects. But it took some conditioning of the opponent first. Also I'm not a streamer, but I still have The Midnight Carnival unlocked. ;o

[@aktivnyigomes9611]

Yeah I realized that is the thing in this game when my combos dropped 'coz I didn't mash fast enough.

[@CybershotCollections]

I play old Guilty Gear and ths game plays so different that I have to break bad habits. I use ps4 d-pad and it is so hard to land some combos that I have to switch between D-pad to joystick for accurecy. its frustrating to use a special with d-pad when you have to time it as the opponent is open to attack or stuned. Do you think I should get a arcade stick instead? Will that help with my imputs better? Please let me know. Imputs must be as clean as possible or I will get punished. This video helped a little. So anyway, I started mashing. : /

[@ImperatorZed]

I've been counter hitting people so much since I discovered this. It's so easy, like the simplest frame trap ever.

[@billyj.causeyvideoguy7361]

Ive still got so much muscle memory from the previous gatling system...

[@big_guapo]

someone got the name of the BGM playing in the background?

[@arashi618]

Millia's theme "Love the Subhuman Self"

[@big_guapo]

@@arashi618 much love chief

[@으아아-x2q]

I am quite surprised that not many people use frame trap which was elementary stuff in other fighting games. It definitely means more newcomers are in strive.

[@fortidogi8620]

Its not quite old school frame traps, so much as late cancels.

[@anarchymatt]

on my second round of fishing I got Luffy sandals to go with my straw hat

[@mirror2922]

Ok the command normals make sense. What I'm not understanding is he doing 2p mash into a non command normal? If so then yeah it makes sense in my head why it would counter hit. Idk I just use 2p to mash out of certain stuff like Leo's back turned stance after blocking properly. Never to set up offense

[@CatgirlKazu]

oh my god I need to steal that thumbnail pls majas

[@darkstar4450]

Im surprised this wasn't against Chipp

[@YouJustAmazeMe]

Learned this in gbvs, felt so hard to open ppl up in that game

[@yano4473]

Good thing Axl has no rapid fire gatlings to go into command normals with :)

[@Alfred_the_doodler]

Thanks haha, this was helpful

[@championredd]

Are the servers down or something? I can’t even load in

[@madworld0660]

make a ost tier list my guy, I know u got the sauce

[@nerfnut2661]

Is there a place you can look up what your specific character's gatlings are?

[@robertmahiques6218]

Dustloop probably will have it but it's gonna take some time. That have most frame advantage already

[@optosi]

It's generally P into command normals, K into command normals/dust, far S into heavy, close S into heavy/command normals

[@RegularBeico]

@@optosi Also close S into far S!

[@deddrz2549]

as for which of them will be proper block strings you have to learn on your own, but Gatling buttons are mostly universal, close Slash into far Slash, Slash into HighSlash, and Punch and Kick go into command normals.

[@MikeMohamed]

Nice thumbnail man

[@nul2215]

If you're a bit far from your opponent how do you reset pressure once they start respecting your frame traps?

[@JacobK01]

Wait for your next turn and do what beats respect

[@JaquetaoSlayer]

You reset or command grab

[@suffering1901]

if they respect your pressure like let's say you normally end your string at a range with a frametrap special, sols gunflame for example. they will prob be scared of that options if they are really respecting you so just instant air dash in or dash in, a jump in could even work if they respect you. or do what the guy above said and wait. if they are in the corner you can still force them to stay there even if you dont have immediate pressure options. in the hope that you can force them back in the corner. Basically dont let them reset to neutral by threatening them with scary buttons. Those buttons stop being scary once they are blocked, they are at their most scary when you use them sparingly and upredictably.

[@syhlax2247]

Yeah that’s why anji has bullshit cause you can delay medium version of fujin and get insane counter hit damage

[@NeoBoneGirl]

Because they nerfed frame data a ton, delayed gatlings are the only way to keep pressure up and threaten real strike throw

[@r15835]

Or you could, idk, switch it up from time to time to not become predictable?

[@SmollPanda]

i wouldn't say 'only' but it's a strong way to pressure

[@Sakaki98]

@@r15835 Imagine having that much of an attitude while totally missing the point. Bones already knows that mixing up is part of running effective pressure, they’re just saying the way you go about doing that is different(in this case, more focused on timing mixups than high-low-left-right-throw mixups and setplay) in this game due to changes compared to previous entries, which is an obvious reality for literally every fighting game franchise ever. But hey, better to be a sarcastic asshole looking for cheap owns than to actually converse like a normal human being, right 🙄

[@r15835]

This is just my playstyle in +R (Slayer mains rise up. He may not be in the game yet, but he's there in spirit).

[@supernebula101]

2H loop frametraps will never fail me

[@Za_Phantom]

i have never felt a reason to press 5p or 2p so far in this game.

[@demiurge2501]

It’s really useful against chars like Leo and chipp for me, as well as specific moves that are minus

[@trailerguy5146]

Nice..i had no idea

[@xycution]

this is just day 1 Anji tech lol but seriously i let too many people get away with the mash P into slash. back to the lab for me.

[@takohma1056]

I haven’t nearly gotten as much time to get used to everything in this game yet. Thanks!!!

[@FiftyYen1]

Not a lot of ppl know this I agree. Not even top 100 players. I feel Xrd actually spoiled kids and now they brought it back to real GG.

[@johnjohnson3390]

Sajam I ended up buying the game even though I was salty that it didn't have frame data. Am I a fraud ?

[@ohnoo4468]

Yes

[@johnjohnson3390]

@@ohnoo4468 thank you

[@A_Brainless_Goblin]

the tip to fishing pulls on pc cheat engine yourself a few million w$ and get everything instantly. jukebox filled.

[@gpmegaman]

This explains why people think sol is so OP

[@keithsimpson2685]

Lights into command normals. hahah you all playing KOF now.

[@ICA_Ghost]

mk pressure

[@happycamperds9917]

You say “use lights into command normals” with Zato on screen, why must you do this to me?

[@SingerOfW]

Switching him to Faust was quite a mood, too.

[@SupermanSajam]

2P or 5P into 6P

[@17thFable]

I thought it said Delayed gatling are the secret to pleasure

[@JacobK01]

I think that’s the intended reading

[@imdabous1970]

I bought strive to get away from delay...

[@viatsu1357]

I do this on accident 😎

[@Yjurige]

I hate how im better than most people in my servs and respect the good players but i still die to spammers and bridgets

[@jmx999]

Early fight games are filled with mashers. This will absolutely be stronger by next week and will continue getting stronger after

[@Cavernasu]

Jesus, that streamer luck.

[@blargh559]

Good thing we're in june and pride is on everyone's lips, because intel like this is what makes some guys want to kiss streamer guys

[@cliftongibson9456]

I’m first bichtes

[@cliftongibson9456]

I’m first😀

[@MyriadashMotionode]

Gatling? lmao don't ever call this pathetic thing gatling THEY ARE THE CORPSE OF GATLING.

[@The_Meev]

Bruh it's still Gatling, it's just a bit more restricted than before

[@Sakaki98]

@@The_Meev “A bit?” It’s way more restrictive, let’s be honest. You used to be able to cancel almost any normal into any normal though command normals were more restrictive, to be fair. However, Strive gatlings are more in line with Street Fighter Target Combos right now. Dudley and Ibuki in Third Strike and IV actually give a lot of the non-Sol cast a run for their money in terms of normal strings when such a thing used to be pretty much unfathomable for most anime fighters. No hate to the game as it has plenty to offer outside of that one mechanic, but can we at least call a spade a spade?

[@MyriadashMotionode]

@@The_Meev 'a bit' previously you can connect P K S HS D in pretty much every fucking permutation. now you have S-HS, P-6P, K-2D and that's it. I recommend you go back to elementary school for the math class

[@MyriadashMotionode]

@@Sakaki98 Just never argue with the shiller. 'A bit' lmao.

[@The_Meev]

@@MyriadashMotionode Ok yeah, it's more than a bit restrictive than before, but still. You can go from P and K into any command normal that's a higher button priority than the starting button. Besides, it really doesn't matter too much that gatling isn't what it used to be because Strive is way more focused on neutral and effective pressure so you're rewarded way more for getting in with your kick or c.slash.