Delicious In Dungeon is Kinda Crap

[@LilianOrchard]

"Am I having Deja Vu?" This video was up a few weeks ago, before being taken down and rewritten.

[@Tatsuya2014]

That was literally my thought exactly. You were right both times! Show is awful

[@LilianOrchard]

I think you should look at the grade card

[@carbonbullet6547]

I was so confused lol, but eh, gives me the chance to like the vid twice now

[@brianokeefe894]

Ahh, gotcha.

[@ThePiachu]

Interesting! I had a feeling it was a little different while rewarching it, good to have my suspicious confirmed! :)

[@stroopwaffenZZ]

Delicious in Dungeon is the first ever anime I watched, my buddy even rewatched it with me, its peak! :3

[@LilianOrchard]

Glad you had fun

[@afrayedknot13]

This is actually one of my favorite modern anime, but like with any kind of media, it doesn’t appeal to everyone. I don’t think a show’s fan base should affect an honest critique, but since you didn’t like the show anyway, it’s kind of moot. Hope you can find something you do like as a palate cleanser.

[@Zeuts85]

Personally I love Laois's character. I found him amusing, because I never really thought of him as "the main protagonist." If anything, Marceille is really the main protagonist, and she's great. But also, Laois was fun because it keeps you off balance. There were a number of times where I wondered if his personality was just bad writing until I realized how deliberate it was, and it became funny. The moment when I saw Fahlin's transformed state was the final straw where I realized, "oh okay... yeah that confirms it! He's ACTUALLY batshit crazy, and it's a completely intentional writing decision." I fell in love with his character at that moment. I guess because to me he doesn't come off as a "dick" so much as just mentally handicapped. I noticed you seem to be watching it dubbed, and I wondered if that might have some influence on the difference in our perceptions.

[@kaydenl6836]

He’s just a dipshit with no social cues, simple as that LMAO

[@pantherbeastly3934]

You make a compelling point about Laios's unlikeability being comedically intentional, but even so, a mentally handicapped person wouldn't react to seeing their sister malformed into a monster with "that's the coolest thing I've ever seen." The reason Laios's behavior is perceived as bad and inexcusable is because his behavior isn't presented in a way that implies that he's simply incapable of understanding social cues. It is made clear in the narrative that he has a regressive view of people and is aware of that, but chooses not to change his behavior. In a good story, a mentally handicapped person's behavior would be shown a bit more sympathetically and respectfully, where the other characters he travels with would be shown to gradually get to know the character better to understand that their brain is merely wired differently from the average person. The neurodivergent protagonist would also learn to better navigate social situations in a way that allows other people to be more open and patient with him, without silencing the things that make him who he is. This doesn't really occur at all in Dungeon meshi; Laios and the other protags are always at odds because of Laios's behavior, and Laios himself is called out for his obsessions and regressive views of others. A point is made that he has a self destructive view of the world that came about due to the abuse he suffered from his hometown, not that he's handicapped/autistic, and he never puts in the effort to correct his insensitivity. From my own experiences with media, arguing that his behavior is the result of a mental handicap ignores the nuanced issues with his character writing and unintentionally enforces the stigmatization of handicapped people. However, I'm not trying to accuse you of being ableist, as you were just offering your reasoning! I completely see where you are coming from, and hope you can take what I say as merely opinion and with a grain of salt! ♥

[@swirlighost]

I've just discovered your channel and I need to say that you have every right to have an opinion. If you didn't enjoy the show, that's great! I respect that immensely. There are famous things I really dislike, myself, and that's just being a person. With that being said, I'm looking at how you respond to people. Yes, sometimes people are assholes to you and that can warrant an aggressive response, but some of these are genuine critiques made in good faith. If you feel they've misunderstood something, you shouldn't carry yourself like an insensitive prick just to "Gotcha" them, cursing and spitting. It hurts your image, and makes parts of your audience really not want to engage with you.

[@pantherbeastly3934]

I can sort of understand where you're coming from here, but you're missing the initial attitudes that she's responding to. In a lot of the comments, people are going in with a needlessly combative tone; calling her opinions backwater takes, being overtly sarcastic, getting across a tone of entitlement to a certain degree, trying to make her see their positive view of the show while disregarding the reasons she had for disliking it, etc. While there is definitely one instance where she handled criticism a bit more aggressively than needed, the majority of the time she is reacting to people who were lashing out against her opinion in the video. Good faith or not, there's a way to convey your message without belittling someone else's opinion. I'd also implore you to think about the situation more from Lily's perspective, as these sorts of people have been bullying and abusing her through the internet for years, so while she definitely could handle some of her responses more tactfully, it isn't coming from a place of malice or entitlement. Just a need to protect herself and quell harassment. She may have been nicer to these sorts of comments in the past, only to find that they do little to settle tense situations and only make things worse for her in the end. Unfortunately, in a lot of ways, harsh directness is an effective way to get a point across while deescalating a potential argument on the internet. I can agree that there's a better way to go about her responses, but calling her an insensitive prick and approaching your critique so aggressively isn't going to make her see your side. I'm saying this not to direct hate your way at all, and I understand your side of things wholeheartedly! Just want to offer a different side to the conundrum.

[@xensilverquill2064]

Very often when Lily gets on to people, it's because they have immediately interpreted something she said in a negative/aggressive light or approached her in bad faith. She is a media critic with strong opinions; she is here to critique and analyze media, not make herself amenable and agreeable to everyone in a fandom. If it's a genuine discussion you want, she's incredibly insightful and to-the-point and funny. If you want someone to gush about your favorite blorbo, there are plenty of other creators out there doing just that.

[@shaddowcat4253]

what the hell are you talking about, every single reply of hers I've seen has been polite and respectful

[@prince_nox]

I'm on your side man, I started noticing this weird pattern of her taking videos down when they start getting negative attention. Those videos either never come back or come back rewritten, and it honestly just feels like damage control. It rubs me the wrong way.

[@LilianOrchard]

@prince_nox This is the only time it has ever happened, it isn't a "weird pattern." If you're going to criticize me, don't lie while doing it.

[@abimaze4308]

Laios is perhaps the most *me* a character has ever been in a show in the way he reacts to monsters and interest/knowledge about dungeon ecology- so for me, as an ecologist who specializes in germs and bugs, I really related to his excitement about things that most people find abhorrent. And Also, as a big sister, I completely agree his relationship to Falin is really disappointingly shallow (I wont reiterate what you said about his reaction to her monster body, you covered it), the way he talks about growing up and leaving her in a neglectful environment, and then fucking off to the army so she's alone at school with no friends. That did bother me. I agree with your rating, I generally like Laios but the the sibling relationship is written piss poor, so yeah B+, pacing and tonal issues keep it from being an A for me. Oh and an edit here: my boyfriend related to Marcille more than any other character ever (except for Sheldon). So that made for a fun rivalry while watching together: he'd agree that marcille is totally right and I would too- but also I'm the type to eat bugs and things that I dropped onto the floor so that made the beginning scenes more fun and made the problems i have with the sibling dynamic to be worth it

[@mitchvanelliott]

I love this show. But yeah I can completely understand your opinion. I will say though I love this show specifically because it reminds me of all the crazy shit my d&d group gets up to when I'm a DM. And it's a whole lot more entertaining. Watching it as a show than having to deal with balancing all the crazy evil antics they do.

[@LilianOrchard]

Fair enough

[@hieutruong7456]

The main narrative of the story is arguably the strongest element here, it's a shame that it only becomes apparent around the final act (which won't come until next season). The story's got one of the most compelling main antagonists I've ever seen in a fantasy work. Ryoko Kui really has a knack for coming up with fascinating fantasy concepts and putting them in mundane contexts. She wrote some sick magical realism short stories before dungeon meshi.

[@LilianOrchard]

I wish more authors would realize "You know, you can actually use the 1st and 2nd act for something, the story doesn't have to be crammed into the 3rd act."

[@Sinrus1]

​@@LilianOrchardI think your assessment of liking Laois to liking the show is spot on. Since I like the character and the humor, the pacing of everything is very rewarding. However, if you bounce off Laois super hard, then that kind of revelation being put into the end is very grating. Your videos on the show and comparing it to Spy Family have been very eye opening to my preferences and what other people like. I have no problems with Dungeon Meshi while I bounced hard off of the first episode of Spy Family.

[@EmptycatArt]

damn foreal? i think laios is super awesome and likeable

[@chaoticinkinc.3145]

I would absolutely love a quick vid of the end scene with the three characters dancing to that music without the credits. Can’t see elf girl panic while the other two just dance like they just don’t care.

[@lugia6]

As an adult with Autism the autism section speaks volumes to me. I don’t really see a lot of people go into detail about how autism effects different people without someone saying there’s a cure out there for it. Despite the fact that their isn’t cause it’s genetic last I checked

[@BintanginTaya]

​@@ma.2089So you don't think Lily's on the autism spectrum?

[@alexandramaclachlan7597]

​@@ma.2089 > hear from people who actually have autism Uh... did you miss the part where Lily points out that she IS autistic?

[@ninevehgrey]

13:30 I haven't watched this show in like three or four years and re watching this scene really fucked me up. Made me cry when i was younger and still makes me cry

[@elizabeths.3307]

I forgot how hard Tai's voice actor went in that episode

[@timotheylomizov1115]

5:21 Using a discord notification sound to get the attention of the audience is quite ingenious

[@masterletsplayer8650]

After seeing that digimon scene about a brother caring about their sibling, that finally made me want to watch the series.

[@LilianOrchard]

Stick with the Adventure series, honestly (Digimon, 02, Tri, the associated movies). After that, the heart vanishes from the series and it becomes just another shonen anime.

[@hiwiechakib]

@@LilianOrchard did you watch digimon tamers ? if so , what are your thoughts about it ?

[@masterletsplayer8650]

@@LilianOrchard okay, thanks for the heads up

[@bobherse1997]

You know the section on Autism in this video is probably one of my favorite pieces of your writing. As an Autistic man i remember being bullied by another autistic man and being told to "Just put up with it, that's just who he is." and I find that sentiment confusing and infantilising.

[@LilianOrchard]

You find it infantilizing because it IS infantilizing.

[@ma.2089]

@@phantombroker6856 well it’s same reason ppl say that the autistic bully doesn’t understand what he’s doing, cuz clearly bullies don’t care about others. So it makes sense to them that an autistic person won’t care about other people.

[@bobherse1997]

@@phantombroker6856 Oh sorry I didn't mean to compare that guy to Laios, I was just using it as an example of people not looking deeply into bad behavior and just writing off

[@danielrooney7964]

I adore dungeon meshi, but i totally get your feelings on the show, and especially laios. My opinion only really got changed when he got his leg bitten off to save falin, which showed he actually gave a shit. If i was writing the show, i would've put in an extra scene where he has a nightmare about what happened to falin to show he actually gives a damn about her.

[@TitanusAmarante]

The problem with Laios is that a lot of his more subtle and likable traits are left out of the anime. I read the manga first and Laios' expressions are a bit more...unhinged in the adaptation. And a lot of the subtle character moments people point out to defend him are from side materials and bonus chapters. He does come off as kind of an unhinged asshole at points if you don't see those. And the way the fandom reacts to anyone who remotely criticizes him is frankly annoying and can color things. Look at the Shuro situation. I mean, Laios and to a much lesser extent Falin were straight up racist to the guy. And it reached a boiling point because Laios kept pushing the guy's boundaries and there were major cultural differences in communication. But the fandom...was straight up racist when it came to Toshiro and blamed him for the entire fight. And don't get me started when it comes to Kabru and Laios and that ship. The way to fandom treats Kabru is frankly, weird as hell. Like it's at poor Nemona from pokemon levels of mischaracterization for shipping him with Laios.

[@grimx5772]

Yo this show is amazing, I had to read the manga afterwards and now I can’t wait for season 2

[@ArteriotomyMusic]

i quite like how much more in-depth this video is compared to the last one. still making about the same points that i find rather agreeable but with a lot more analysis and commentary surrounding them, and the stuff you've added is very interesting. good work.

[@shadowpuppet8192]

AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! You mentioned Princess Tutu!!! I feel so happy that it's getting the recognition it deserves! I'm sorry, I just love Princess Tutu so much and I want more people to recognize how amazing it is.

[@eauxkei702]

I still have the dvd set lol. Never getting rid of it. Such a good show

[@shadowpuppet8192]

@@eauxkei702 *GASP!* Me too!

[@foamyrocks87]

I loved princess tutu, now I gotta find and rewatch it

[@HakusSpiritMaiden]

I love the show too! I even got to meet Jay Hickmen (Mytho's English VA) at an anime convention! He's so sweet and I asked him to do Mytho's voice. He talks in a 'normal' male tone, so he had to remember some of Mytho's line and slowly got his voice back and said some lines for me! :o It was amazing! But anyway the show is so adorable, but also SAD! I recommend it to people for those two reasons. Hey, you like cute anime right? Magical girls? Cute boys? They nod. I let them go in, watch some episodes, then when the sad stuff hits they look at me like "How dare you... I want MORE!" Hooked lol My partner even did a Princess Tutu art piece after we watched the show together.

[@shadowpuppet8192]

@@HakusSpiritMaiden You got to meet Jay Hickmen?! Mytho's EVA!? That's so cool! Absolutely agree! I love that the show starts off pretty cringe, but it's just so cute! Everyone I've shown it to has fallen absolutely in love with it! Even if magical girl animes aren't their thing!

[@rhysmussington9449]

That end credit gag is still hilarious

[@ahmedmanaseer8696]

I had watched the show after your video keep in mind I didn't like the premise so I have never had a prior interaction with it. I found lios to be depicted differently in the sub he is very cheerful all the time (I know you like dub but bear with me) So with that out of the way i saw him as the most Eger person to get his sister I found him very logical and it's his monster knowledge that keep getting the group deeper inside the dungeon he is a very good leader and his plans are always thought out. His weakness as he can't think on the fly making him unable to react to situations unfolding in a way he didn't expect. Also he does care alot about his sister episode 13 and 12 literally had him acting all emotionally sensitive around her. I do respect your opinion but i guess me liking lios and hating marcel's guts effectd my perception of the show

[@sunbeampaintings1744]

I really like Delicious in dungeon, but I also like Laois, so that's definetly why. I never considered that people might not like him, but I can definetly see how it would ruin the show for you if you don't. I never really saw him as a character that was meant to be taken entirely serious. Like his schtick is that he's weird and I just accepted that. To me, this is mainly a comedy show, because I find the premise very ridiculous. The comedy really lands with me so I am probably more likely to overlook some of the faults of the show. It's like "oh comedy show, oh a little character moment and a more overaching plot neat, oh yay, back to comedy" Kind of in a similar vein to Spy X Family (though that one obviously does it a lot better). I could have done without the grand stakes of saving the entire dungeon, because I always prefer low stakes character focused stories, but I think Delicous dungeon is neat 🤷‍♂

[@KidRunnerH]

16:59 Sorry for ruining the joke, but is it that, You have to like the character enough to reach the point where the show smacks the character for being the way they are? Or you have to like the show enough to reach the point where the show smacks the character enough for being the way they are? I’m presuming the former given the context… but it could be both. Like you can like the show’s cast, execution, and/or premise is more compelling than the lead therefore you can tolerate it more.

[@sillyb.swirls5155]

OMG it's so awesome to see you found out about princess tutu

[@LilianOrchard]

I've known about it for a while. Ren posts about it all the time and makes art of it all the time.

[@sillyb.swirls5155]

@@LilianOrchard oh cool. I'm glad you liked the main character's dorky energy. It's what got me through all the stale parts of the show.

[@LilianOrchard]

I also like her selflessness too, honestly.

[@eeveemiscellaneous8270]

I do like how much more thorough this video was compared to the previous one. You did a good job, keep up the good work. Also I hope you enjoy Princess Tutu, it’s one of my personal favorites.

[@shadowpuppet8192]

Princess Tutu is soooo good! I love finding fellow Tutu lovers! 😁

[@HakusSpiritMaiden]

Tutu is wonderful!

[@Detolsoap]

Hi. Good job on the video. You had some really interesting takes. Its just that it really bothered me when you said you hated shounen anime then mentioned Astro boy, which is also a shounen. No hate at all, just a friendly reminder that shounen isnt a genre but a demographic so you've probably watched and enjoyed more shounen than you think. Keep up the good work though

[@samirkhosrowshahi7928]

I really like the show, and I totally agree with what you're saying. I didn't really give it much thought but you hit the nail on the head with every damn sentence. But I subbed because I was over the moon when you spoke on execution vs. intent & media criticisms. I don't want to make a ginormous word salad in the comments but it hit close to home for how I feel about a lot of media, but I could never put it into words because so few people are willing to discuss criticisms of their favorite shows. It even extends to music, movies, and really anything. PS: In the spirit of Laios' social ineptitude, I would like to send an anime recommendation your way. Vinland Saga is great and if you like following characters that work on their issues over time and try to make a change for the better, this anime is for you. Loved video! I will definitely be watching more of your content. :)

[@justanotheranimekidanimeis6506]

Love the editing you did on this, the chat when they were getting squad wiped was just chef😘

[@remixchild]

4:07 oh marcelle you’re my favorite in this anime

[@madmoo1111]

I find it funny how I always agree with Lily but seem to like the shows anyway. I enjoy hearing a perspective that goes against my own. Also now I have an itch to watch princess tutu and digimon again lol. Really wish people would just leave her alone. People are allowed to have different opinions and you don’t have to hate them for it.

[@jujudisasters]

I agree Marcille is the best character and the reason I started reading/watching in the first place

[@cristophernunez7786]

She is the hidden protagonist of the story. And there is a very comical part that shows it, at the end of the manga. When she speaks, trying to give meaning to everything she has experienced and the old people mock, remembering how many centuries ago they also thought they knew everything. And that is where it is understood that for her time scale, that was barely her first adventure.

[@warriorshark6728]

Thank god other people saying “glad to have this back” thought I was having an episode😅

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

The fact that being more thorough in your critique the second time around actually vindicating you is absolutely delicious (in Dungeon). Another video I'm proud to have contributed to. Also, I live for Tai and Karis relationship. More brothers need to be like Tai. Also, also, yes I do have some intense sapphic blinders on.

[@zacharyzwickl5860]

it's a shame you don't accept suggestions because there's an anime series about two girls from different ways backgrounds (one privileged and not so much) who meet by happenstance and became best friends who forms a music band together. But also at the same time I also understand why you don't since as much as I hate to admit it anime fans can be divisive and overbearing if you say negative things over certain titles that the community likes. like the other day I found someone who made a video as a "commentary" on the upload of this video as you doing a bad faith commentary on the series

[@LilianOrchard]

So... the Princess and the Pauper

[@ponygonporygon2153]

@@LilianOrchard The anime I think they're talking about is Carole and Tuesday and you've already that one off for the predatory lesbian trope I think. I could be wrong.

[@disgustof-riley]

​@@Turtle_time47 Did you forget Barbie in the Princess and the Pauper? This is not far off

[@Knaveofclubs44]

Inital D music at the end? Great taste Lily now I'm off to drift this AE86

[@fusselmietz5929]

I am glad the video is back. I admit there a some funny bits I miss like the animation with the stick figures and the comedic "there is not reading the room and there is this guy" bit, but this new version improved even more. I enjoy both versions of this video, but I think this one is even more streamlined and some points are coming across better, while the old one was a bit funnier. However the pokemon sun and moon bit was also gold! Good work as always Lily! I gotta say, I re-watched some of your older videos and while I enjoy them and I still think they are of good quality, it's nice to see how you improved over the years. From the editing, to the way of speech, how you structure your videos, articulate the argument and how the humour is integrated seamlessly... it's nice to see you go from a good critic to a great one. While we don't agree 100% of the time about some media, it is nice to have someone challenge my perspective and make good arguments. This is the fun part and I enjoy not being babied by a creator. Side note: after watching your pokemon retrospective I tried using Guardevoir more and I am glad I tried it. Usually I rarely used fairy/psychic types since I was never really sure how to handle them, now I have a new appreciation for them. Although Jolteon and Mudkip will always be special to me.

[@VespoLiveGaming]

Iron Chef Senshi edition. Where the secret ingredient is a live monster that the chefs have to catch, clean, and cook.

[@HakusSpiritMaiden]

I grew up watching Digimon, it was one of my comfort shows along with Yu-Gi-Oh, and Adventure specifically always holds a special place in my heart. I'm showing it to my partner and while we love to joke about the gay subtext between Matt and Tai, My Sister's Keeper is one of the BEST episodes of that series PERIOD! Tai and Kari's sibling relationship is adorable and heartwarming during cute moments, and during the moments where the show punches you in the gut, it HITS. The emotion, the tension, the voice acting (Joshua Seth as Tai is incredible with how his voice just BREAKS).

[@vroom1760]

Laosi single handedly destroyed my mind in that scene with his mangled up sister

[@SManime101]

God, I'm glad you covered the autistic hc that the entire fandom decided was Canon when it actually isn't. And I also wanted to pointed out how poorly Shuro is treated by fandom that I find frustrating. A lot of characters call out Laois on his bs but when Shuro did so on his lack of social cues, the fandom screams that he is abelist when he's not. Shuro is a Japanese man and was raised to be very polite and to be subtle with his discomfort while Laois misunderstood his calm personality and took it as a cue to just cling to Shuro too much. The fact that the show tells the viewers blantly how Laois kept crossing boundaries with Shuro to the point that this man ended up snapping at him once and yet the entire fandom sees this and calls Shuro every slur in the book. Not only that but another thing that annoys me with the fandom's poor treatment of this character is how some say they hate him for "getting in the way" of the Marcille x Falin ship. That's such a stupid reason to hate a character to me and so blindly toxic that they fail to realize how sexist it is. I like the show but behaviors like that from the fandom is why I'm so low key about it and that goes with a lot of other shows I secretly like but can't be open about it bc I do not want to be lumped in with those turds.

[@LilianOrchard]

Fandom demonizing a character because they insulted blorbo and got in the way of their ship is nothing new, sadly. Weebs have all the problems most fandoms have with an unhealthy dose of Orientalism on top.

[@JustAStranger2840]

I commented on the old video about the same scene & I'll *never* forgive the fandom for pitching Laios & Shuro that way. They got me thinking we got good autism rep for once with that clip on twitter with Shuro being the one too passive in his boundaries to meet Laios' sincerity. Then I see snippets of the show from here & floating around on YT. Nope. Laios is just missing the whole damn point again, the d!ck.

[@mudkip846]

I really like this rewrite, it clarifies your points a lot more! :D

[@SlipnflipnBean]

😂 this is the reaction my mom would have to anything I’d show her

[@betazero8508]

My genuine reaction to the first few minutes: "Alright, it has tonal problems- Oh hi, Bury the Light from hit video game Devil May Cry 5." You have excellent music tastes, Lily.

[@zerozeroren]

Did you just make me feel feelings over Digimon???

[@LilianOrchard]

Yes I did!

[@mikandstuff3119]

Out of topic, but i’ve got a question. What are your views on love-triangles? I personally hate them and find they do absolutely nothing but cause negative diversity within the fandom, but i’d like to gain the perspective of a professional writer like you since i’ve seen others say it’s..strategic??

[@LilianOrchard]

Depends on how you view love. Most of the time a love triangle is two guys fighting over one girl, which is actually a corner that the woman is backed into. A love triangle of "Person A likes Person B who is in love with Person C who wants Person A" is actually quite novel. Conversely, a love triangle where one party is doomed to fail and accepts that out of a selfless expression of love (Princess Tutu) is *chef's kiss*

[@mikandstuff3119]

@@LilianOrchard that is actually..pretty good? I’d love it if love triangles are like that. Tysm

[@muamua101]

Older anime is such a different beast from present anime and needs more love.

[@Naoise012]

It never occured to me how *often* my dislike of character was angrily dismissed by fans because "they have a reason to be like that." Nor how much that overlaps with the whole trauma instead of character development thing.

[@Naoise012]

@@janinebelleestrada7096 I think Lily already did a great job of explaining how even *if* he's autistic, and that's a big *if,* that doesn't excuse his behavior.

[@TumbleroseStudios]

I haven't watched Digimon in forever and was mostly remembering it as that silly show I watched as a child but holy fuck that single clip drew more emotion from me than anything in about 90% of anime I see nowadays, including DiD, I think that fact alone highlights the problems with the show, you can have both silly and dramatic moments in a series but if there's nothing between them you feel like you disassociated and only just tuned back in three episodes later to then find out no it's the next fuckin scene

[@lucythevixen8757]

What you said about this show reminds me of Komi Can’t Communicate (NOT A RECOMMENDATION) where I couldn’t get past the hyper sexualisation of the main character and it bothered me cause the premise and the two leads weren’t half bad, it was everything else that brought it down.

[@thefunnychiptuneman]

from now on any and all animes or cartoons you say are bad i will watch and enjoy cuz you seem to hate any and all good anime and cartoons

[@LilianOrchard]

I really hate High Guardian Spice

[@bernkastel7438]

0:17 Is this a joke or is there an actual VN with that premise? I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually exists.

[@LilianOrchard]

Yes there is an actual VN with that premise.

[@Kutie192]

Hi Lily. I love that you've started watching Princess Tutu as it is one of my favorite anime. I hope you'll do a video on it in the future 😊. Anyway, I'm a big fan and love your work. It's often my "comfort background noise" when I'm doing stuff around the house. And when I'm not, it makes me think about works more critically- even works that I like, but can still criticize. Thanks for that ❤.

[@thenecessaryevil2634]

😂Gotta love that Darth daddy issues is your 'just fucking sucks' example😂

[@Taurgis2]

i heard my BF shouting "noooo the poor baby!" when you showed the digimon clip. poor sod. needed a hug after. keep it up, always like the big softy getting sappy on me.

[@pervertedpancho]

Oh damn, I was about to go to sleep before you popped up on my feed but yeah ik you don’t like random recommendations from strangers online, especially someone with my user name, but trust Frieren is probably one of the few anime that don’t fall into the usual pitfalls that plague other anime, it really is a breathe of fresh air

[@opheliarosewood7847]

Love when people tell other autistic people what characters they can or cant claim. My whole friend group of trans autistic peeps love the show and claim Laios as one of us. No one can stop us.

[@LilianOrchard]

Nobody's trying to stop you. Other people's opinions existing in your vicinity don't actually affect you. You choose to be this upset about it.

[@melancholygirl7793]

Well the author said Laios isn't autistic, oops.

[@RPK_96]

I love delicious in dungeon, I have not delved in the fanbase But I get if u don’t like D&D a lot because of them and laios

[@XainRussell]

I briefly mentioned in my university alumni server that I’d heard enough about the show and the main character to know I wouldn’t like it and immediately got bombarded with comments angry that I dared to put more faith in my own tastes as a consumer than in just watching the show. I then went and watched the first episode, didn’t find it funny, got exactly the sort of bad vibes I was expecting from Laios, and decided not to watch more. I was then told I was being unfair and should have watched more. So yeah, the fanbase is pretty rancid.

[@LilianOrchard]

All of that reeks of "VALIDATE ME BY AGREEING WITH ME!"

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

So you were biased from the start, went in with bad faith because of the hate, confirmed your biases and quit happy with yourself. As expected of this channel's community

[@XainRussell]

@@miramaxcinemax5512 I’m not the one with a problem when I make the conscious decision not to go watch something out of a lack of interest, and then get bullied and guilted into watching it anyway. I gave it a fair shake, I left the door open for the show to surprise me, but it didn’t, and I’m not going to waste more time trying to find what everyone else likes if I’ve already figured out what I didn’t like about the show.

[@LilianOrchard]

@miramaxcinemax5512 Sounds like someone's mad they weren't validated

[@anagonzalez8972]

​@@miramaxcinemax5512 You're assuming that what OP heard about the show before watching it was hate and all negative, therefore "bias". What if what they heard was positive/neutral and they still didn't like it? You don't know other people better than they know themselves. You're just making assumptions.

[@gardenpotato3373]

Note to self: Invite family to watch TuTu.

[@vogelOTG]

...fuck did you really just make me tear up from digimon?

[@sad_boi_razor8983]

As an autistic person myself I agree that Lios is….. not autistic he’s just weird. Like I’m so tired of every anime-esqe fandom pointing at characters who are insufferable and going “autism” because seriously? It’s becoming fandoms new “btch disease” like they did with bpd back in like 2018. I don’t like being compared to characters that are weird and bad and i don’t think anyone does

[@chargyisonline7790]

I mean I personally like Laios because I like characters like him and Dr. House . People who act nothing like humans and not take serious thing seriously while being a danger to everyone around them. Bojack isn't the greatest comparation to Laios, someone like Dr. House would be, he had a shitty childhood and even before he got crippled, suprise! he was still an insufferable ass. However Dr. House being an insufferable ass but a very good doctor makes the show watchable, its why I can watch 8 seasons of Dr. House without getting bored because of moralisms, and can't even stand an episode of the Good Doctor, or Grey's Anatomy (I just like medical shows where the main character isn't an empath moralistic goody two-shoes, it might be why I like Delicious in Dungeon too) Laios and Shenshi being insufferable and out of the plot makes Delicious in Dungeion watchable as well

[@LilianOrchard]

That's why I gave the show two grades

[@chargyisonline7790]

@@LilianOrchard but why would you not like laios? he is supposed to be an insufferable ass and the story treats him as such he isn't supposed to be redeemed because he doesn't want to be redeemed he's meant to be an insufferable ass, that's kinda the point of characters like laios

[@LilianOrchard]

He's meant to be an insufferable ass. ...But he's still an insufferable ass who takes up the majority of the screen time. I also don't watch House or Bojack Horseman. Because I don't like that kind of character.

[@chargyisonline7790]

@@LilianOrchard To be fair House is an UNCHARMING insufferable ass, Laios is just an insufferable ass (very few charms he has are nothing compared to the real insufferable ass, Shenshi, which makes the show watchable for me) House and even Bojack (though Bojack compared to House has negative charm) are charming characters you can like due to the way the show portray their relation with others as somewhat a byproduct of their asshole-iness

[@lizzy1876]

​@@kalebjacobs7505Bojack horseman show is literally him making horrible mistakes, not fixing them, and then the mistakes coming up to get him later in tbe series. He was getting consequences later on.

[@Prince__Teclis]

As someone who is autistic, I do wish some anime fans would stop just labeling anime characters autistic then passing that little headcanon off like it's hard fact and suddenly using it to excuse any criticism of the character. Unless the creator says they have it, they're not autistic, end of discussion. Laios is another character i can throw on the "he's not autistic, go away tumblr" pile.

[@LilianOrchard]

I've found it most comes from people who behave the same way the character in question does and don't like the idea of the character being criticized because it's an indirect criticism of them as well. Personally "they're autistic" is an explanation for the behavior of children, and it's on their caregivers to deal with that. If you're an adult, you're expected to know better. If you don't, learn.

[@Prince__Teclis]

​@@LilianOrchard Exactly, if you don't know better you should learn. It does annoy me a little bit how weirdos on Tumblr expect people like me to feel connected to characters like Laios because I'm autistic, I've had people genuinely surprised I didn't think much of him since they thought I'd find him "relatable" or a "total mood" because those weirdos basically thought "omg I like Laios, so if I find an autistic guy I've basically found Laios irl." Anime Tumblr fangirls are some of the weirdest people...

[@CrimsoniteSP]

I'll be honest, I don't really watch anime anymore. I still want to but whenever anything gets popular I watch it and kinda go.... Why? Peak anime for me is still Angel Beats and Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and my take is either drastically wrong or correct depending on who you ask.

[@LilianOrchard]

I stopped watching anime at age 15 when real life made it so that a lot of the jokes I was seeing just weren't very funny anymore. Only picked it back up recently for work and even then I've only found three shows since then that I liked: Spy x Family, Princess Tutu and A Place Further Than The Universe

[@CrimsoniteSP]

@@LilianOrchard Yeah, I noticed you liked them! You talked about them in this video and in the past, I believe. I know you have a few more under your belt, been a long time fan if yours. I kinda stopped just because I wasn't interested anymore. To me, a lot felt copy/paste. Like how many slices of life do I watch before it becomes unique again? As a teen I just watched whatever was popular and I got bored. I'm still very selective with shows.

[@veroniperl7857]

I like marcelin too i want more time spent on her and senshi he is so cool when he Cooks.

[@LeftFruitDeadBasket1]

The mandella effect hit me hard when I watched this video. Only to realize it was just more Lily content. Nice~ Sad it had to be taken down and redone due to harrassment, though.

[@johndelanie3649]

The comparison to Bojack really shows off the reason Laois fails as an asshole protagonist despite Bojack actively being a worse person; there's always points in each season where you can see Bojack on the cusp of changing for the better or learning his lesson before inevitably screwing it up. Laois never gets that, he gets checked for his behavior but just shrugs it off and goes on with whatever he's doing, and that's because there's a small piece of Bojack that understands he's an awful person and wants that change, but Laois sees no reason to change because he still feels completely correct in his view of the world.

[@periforbylee]

One of my best friends loves this show and I tried desperately to understand her, but I just can’t put up with the story. The tonal issue you mentioned bothers me so much and I really couldn’t put up with Laios and how not progressing he is. I struggle to understand how many people find this entertaining.

[@LilianOrchard]

There's no accounting for taste.

[@warpathh]

Thank you for posting this. My wife and I enjoyed the beginning because it focused on the food… now it’s just weird drama and they clearly lost the thread of focusing on the food.

[@martinratagris]

I am surprised this was the anime you cover, I was honestly sure you would lean to something like A Sign of Affection. I am sorry if this sounds like a recommendation but A Sign of Affection has little anime bullsh*t and focuses in a romance between a deaf girl who is starting college and a cardboar cutout typical to romances stories (Or common to telenovelas) that is sweet enough. Again, this is not a recommendation just mentioning an anime that was popular the previous season that feels more your taste.

[@j.n.-fr5uh]

im sorry that laios ruined the whole show for you i guess i got clickbaited but i would have rather watched a deeper critique of the show than 17 minutes of pointing out Laios character flaws :( i think its not fair to gloss over everything else as "generic fantasy plot". to me the show lived off of the episodic interactions every episode is a new little plot that tells us more about how fucked up laios is and in general shows how the characters mesh together. thats what i liked about it. but i do understand now how it would be unbearable to watch if its watched the way that you did

[@LilianOrchard]

If you want a deeper critique I could certainly do that. This video used to be titled "First Impressions" which is why it's written this way. But I wouldn't be doing it for a while. I've got other projects to work on.

[@joybouley9314]

Did I space out or did you forget to talk about senshi? Or just didn’t want to?, it’s fine either way just smt I noticed. But yeah tbh I started watching the show as “oh haha silly show about eating monsters and cooking” then it turned into “KILL THE WIZARD LETS MEET GOD! FANTASY POLITICS” just tuned me out :/ there’s an episode I where it’s just all exposition and I just want them to cook something, there’s no food or dungeon in that episode just shakes me the wrong way. Also I was so glad! (At first) when the show started and it was close to none fanservice. And then Falin got screen time and suddenly it’s “LOOK AT HER UNDER BOOBS” like tf man.

[@LilianOrchard]

I didn't really have anything to say about Senshi

[@lilymai6242]

i'm glad to be able to see this twice, cuz damn i appreciate the editing bit you put into the footages

[@snyhmr]

The autism section of this (and the short bit about the fandom) really speaks to how the fandom reacted to toshiro being mad at laios. people were mad at shiro being mad at laios for what i would say are fair reasons (esp considering laios' ignorance about other people makes him commit racist microaggressions against shiro). people were so focused on laios's seemingly autistic coded background that they refused to entertain the idea that he might not be completely right in that scenario and that his backstory doesn't justify how he treats other people in present time and that people can criticize this behaviour of his.

[@Empurress_Sable]

It's funny how I found this reupload, after coming up with a story about siblings devoted to one another. I love affectionate friends and siblings so it's really sad to see media be so jaded and cold. All my stories as of late are about found families just being there for one another when bad stuff happens to one or more of them. I don't understand why people are so much more hooked on drama and conflict over soft affection .

[@jordanespinosa2508]

Just means I get to support one of my favorite critics all over again. Rock on Lily.

[@kayladecant7332]

Wasn’t ready for the WoW party text 2:25 ❤

[@tmacm2237]

Marcille and Chilchuck are the best characters.

[@tamaratobias4762]

I would agree that it's okay to portray effectonet relationship between bffs, but then leave out the queerbaityng fanservice scene. It honestly made me really sad seeing saffic tension be sexualized then tossed aside right after.

[@LilianOrchard]

Anime needs to junk "fanservice" entirely, seperate discussion entirely

[@Puschel_Blume]

2:17 Gold!

[@blackking7911]

Estoy escribiendo esto en español por que mi ingles no es lo suficientemente bueno. Quiero expresarte mi gratitud por hacer este video y hablar sobre lo que no te gusto del programa. Puedo entender tu desagrado hacia laios, que sientas que hace que el tono del programa sea inestable y lamento que los fanaticos del programa hayan sido desagradables contigo. Personalmente por mi parte a mi me sigue gustando el programa pero puedo reconocer que los aspectos que no te gustan del programa están presentes en el y son clarmente aspectos negativos que hacen que la serie no pueda ser disfrutada por mucha gente.

[@LilianOrchard]

Muchas gracias

[@blackking7911]

@@LilianOrchard a usted que tengas buen día.

[@dreamer9398]

After watching a few episode of Delicious in Dungeon, the anime is…Ehh. Though many say it great, I couldn’t get on board. I’ll stick to watching Wonderful Precure , Pokémon Horizon, and Spy x Family Maybe revisit old anime I watched.

[@Brock_official-ish]

I'm going to say it because I'm not seeing any other comments, but do you have a response to KP's video? I have always enjoyed your content, but those allocations should be acknowledged even if they are false.

[@LilianOrchard]

A response to KP is actually a response to twelve years of harassment and several of my abusers, one of whom raped me for a year, and that kind of thing would take a while. The problem with formulating a response is that this harassment campaign is all accusations and zero actual proof. So it's hard to make a tangible response to anything that isn't just a string of "That isn't true" over and over again.

[@apnosaurus]

i thought Lily and KP were friends?

[@siffy5340]

Initially after viewing the episode where the party fights Fallin and talking about it with a friend they mentioned agreeing with Shuro about Laios being annoying. I was initially surprised because I thought the scene was painting Shuro in the wrong for not being direct, which was probably the intent of the scene, I’m not fully sure. Though after what you talked about with Laios having inappropriate reactions I do more so see what they were on about. I did not really notice initially because I wrote it off as just comedy bit not to be taken too seriously and they still do not bother me though I would have preferred to see Laios be more invested in Fallins rescue. Also, you elaborate on the tone issues you mentioned? I see that the tone is quite volatile but that contrast of the comedy part make the more serious part hit harder, I’m fairly sure you have talked about yourself before, how lighthearted media has their darker moments hit a lot harder due to the contrast. So then what exactly makes it a bad thing when those constants have a more sporadic tempo to them.

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for this. Some valid points. Though from what I've seen, the anime exacerbates a lot these things (maybe I just didn't remember them). I generally felt the source balanced the behaviour with karma; but there was definitely as much falling upwards as bluntly direct actions leading to happy outcomes.

[@red9485]

Any reasons this was redone? Just curious, I wasn't too aware of there being something up with the original.

[@calliejustwont]

weebs blew the fuck up at her, told her to read the manga, she did, and then they got mad at her for spoiling the manga

[@robinvanrossum4522]

Are you going to talk about frieren too? The show is really good.

[@LilianOrchard]

No plans

[@lbean9828]

I appreciated you going into more depth on why you don't like the headcannon/excuse of Laios being autistic. It made your distaste easier to understand, and made for a more interesting and thought provoking video, imo.

[@xerith42]

Happy to have this back!!

[@fairlyoddenginecreations]

Just wanted to say I love the music choice for the end credits. I remember seeing loads of memes about it like 2 years back

[@lunahex]

i do like the show, but i can see why you did not enjoy it. i hope you enjoy your next show (dont have to be anime) more

[@SoulQueenoD]

Well the Digimon scene made me cry. I was planning on reading the manga anyways, good to know about the cuts.

[@nqk_0662]

WARNING THE DIGIMON MANGA IS NOTHING LIKE THE ANIME ,

[@SoulQueenoD]

@@nqk_0662 Talking about reading the Delicious in Dungeon manga.

[@nqk_0662]

@@SoulQueenoD ah well read and watch it Both are amazing

[@inuendo6365]

Laios has more in common with you as this video's presenter Lily, an unapologetic trans woman with directness trust issues and special interests, than Bojack, a horse who practically coerces others to participate in his harmful vices. Laios is just a socially blind character, rather than LGBT+ Social blindness and special interests, much like LGBT+, are completely neutral factors of course. I don't think they automatically make him autistic either, but it's cool the English VA for Laios could relate to these points

[@brianokeefe894]

Wait... Didn't you already talk about this? Did something happen to the other one? I kinda liked your previous video.

[@henrikleppa7632]

@brianokeefe894 She explained it at the end of the video: The fandom descended upon her, so she listened to their grievances (and abuse), read the manga (or at least skimmed it), and then re-wrote the video to address the grievances, abuse, and manga. (The manga even vindicated some of her positions.)

[@henrikleppa7632]

@i.cs.zamodits Whether the first season is finished doesn't matter. You can eat 3 courses of a 4-course meal, and say: "This is terrible so far, I don't want to continue.". In general, the whole "It gets good eventually" argument (or "might get good" in this case) is just a convenient way to dismiss negative criticism, because it's pretty natural for most people who don't like a series (or game) to not finish it. By this logic you could say: "Only 1% viewers stayed in the theater the whole movie, but they gave it 5/5, so it must be a masterpiece!". You say she missed the premise, but then you don't say what that premise even was. Also, she didn't fully double down on her takes: She said that if you like Laios, then the series isn't so bad (B+).

[@munuaispapu4732]

I'm really glad you remade this!! You've made me realise WHY exactly I like this show so much, to be honest. I've been struggling to put this into words. I agree with you that Laios is extremely unlikeable, and his most fatal flaws don't get addressed. And so is EVERY character in this show. By the end of the manga, Senshi is still a recluse who doesn't care about the larger effects of his actions. Chilchuck is still an alcoholic who drove his wife away. Izutsumi's still seventeen. And Marcille is still rather racist and sexist. And i love all of them for it. So many series nowadays seem to think that a character flaw is something to be fixed permanently. In dungeon meshi, though, the characters grow and develop, but they don't finish their lives. There's still more room for them to grow when the adventure ends. I think it really speaks to Ryoko Kui's talent as an author, that every single character grows somewhat during the series, and still has more growing to do after it ends.

[@apnosaurus]

If you tell weebs that Japan also has sitcoms and animated "cartoons" for children they'll blow a fuse. Despite those two categories being the actually good things that aren't a rare character focused anime.

[@xary3556]

Asking as a person who, like you, swore off anime completely is there anything that you would recommend?

[@LilianOrchard]

Spy x Family, Hamtaro, Kingdom Hearts, Princess Tutu

[@xary3556]

Thanks :)

[@LilianOrchard]

@flynnfarron I will file Kingdom Hearts under everything, because everyone should play Kingdom Hearts.

[@sopapiglobo]

@@LilianOrchard spy x family 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@LilianOrchard]

@sopapiglobo I'm sorry, did bitchy weebs suddenly decide Spy x Family was bad? All the more reason to recommend it then.

[@ashlynn9739]

There is one huge W to Laios as a character. He only stands out enough to catch your attention during the fleeting moments he's a halfway decent character if you're not 110% zeroed in on the Anime. His tone is so flat the rest of the time that he kinda just blends into the background if you're watching while doing something else, and I've found that softens the impact of just how bad he is at times.

[@vladpw123]

Wait. Was that a rimworld ost. Do you play rimworld?