Making Kanto's Gym Leaders as BAD as POSSIBLE

Pokemon Gym Leaders are typically pretty bad, but what if we made them WORSE? That's right, today we're going to make Kanto's gym leaders as pathetic as possible. People often try to fix these powerful trainers by creating ideal teams, so let's create the worst possible teams instead!
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[@SakuraiHikari15]

Fun Fact: Surge canonically likes cute Pokemon, one of his favourites in HG/SS is Pachirisu

[@Thedragonlover95]

Thats cute

[@blepleb]

i always see people making gym leaders stronger, but never weaker, this is so creative

[@DeliciousJames]

Thank you :)

[@michaelyanni6061]

Well actually mandjtv did a what if the 8th gym of every region was the first one

[@michaelyanni6061]

But this is kinda original since you do every gym

[@blepleb]

@@michaelyanni6061 thats different because he didnt make them bad, he just made them easy as in first gym easy

[@darkdragon7210]

@@blepleb I wonder what mandjtv would do for this type of video?

[@hllday]

Be honest- did you base this entire video off of the “useless endeavour” joke?

[@DeliciousJames]

......mayhaps

[@lucarudloff687]

Most likely

[@daofficerofthenoodles7504]

Wouldn’t be surprises they made the gen rule just to make that joke

[@Monke_Messiah]

I can't believe Martin isn't real

[@H1_R3Z]

Was definitely the biggest twist of the video. They both rolled with the joke so seamlessly that I didn't even question it.

[@DeliciousJames]

Not yet, anyway

[@demiTrashdotpng]

@@DeliciousJameswhat are you planning

[@gigan2444]

​@@DeliciousJames how could you do this? How could you just make up Maxwell?

[@Player_2_MV]

biggest plot twist in the world

[@gravy7861_]

worry seed and sleep sleep powder is a sick combo... its like taking a laxative and a stool hardener

[@mkjirak]

I see what you did there.

[@darkdragon7210]

😂😂 That's good! 🤣🤣

[@rhymespace6740]

The true worst gym leader was the friends we made along the way…

[@DeliciousJames]

In Ash's case, the true friends were the gym leaders he met along the way

[@theluckygamer10]

Assuming they'd even be friends with us after doing this to them all

[@DrevikkDrevik]

misty was a pretty close second tho

[@mikeomoran9256]

Feebas and Magikarp swimming in the pool while Misty goes on dates Honestly sounds like a wholesome sitcom

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

That Vibrava could be quite dangerous, since it can paralyze, confuse and trap you. Now, obviously the paralysis and confusion chance are incredibly low, and Vibrava has zero bulk and will die to anything. It's also not very fast. But it can dream big, even if those are nothing more than dreams, and it's more than most of his teammates can do (because Gligar could land every single guillotine without being killed before it happens too, but that's even less likely)

[@DeliciousJames]

Thats a good point! Id just love vibrava to overcome all odds and become the ultimate opponent

[@darkdragon7210]

Actually Dragon Breath is a 30% to Paralysis same chance as Scald to Burn!!!

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I've often thought, if making a romhack, that Vinrava might make a really interesting ace for the first gym leader.

[@RealCutieMutie]

A way to make Surge worst is to only give him mons with 4 electric moves and max PP, so as long you pack 1 diglett from the cave he literally can not touch you :3

[@MrSinisterSandman]

The TM thing, they should have at least had to have one TM that they were going to give to the Trainer after the Trainer wins.

[@Meteorite_Shower]

Agreed; most of the time the Gym Leaders slap that TM onto all their Pokémon because they love that move so much. So... they should be given _the worst_ TM possible that fits all their mons.

[@SilharaTheChosen]

I was so confused at that part hahaha. Like do they think the gym leaders just popped into existence? They very obviously were successful trainers in their own right before becoming gym leaders. I'm not sure why they'd think they wouldn't have access to TMs and egg moves. Realistically they would be the ones most into min maxing their Pokemon.

[@magicball3201]

​@@SilharaTheChosenGenerations shows them more as becoming a test to trainers, with Brock deliberately choosing two pokemon to challenge Red. In the same way a teacher won't ask obscure questions to try and fail the class, the gym leaders wouldn't intentionally sabotage themselves like this, but they aren't going to min-max their stats

[@Prisoner-gk6lr]

@@Meteorite_Shower Sabrina already gives out the worst TM possible with Psywave. I could hardly think of a more useless psychic move if I wanted to. Its especially a waste on her high special Pokemon.

[@berserkerciaran]

​@@Prisoner-gk6lrI'm pretty sure she gives you Calm Mind in FRLG

[@okaminokuro]

Everyone asks "Where's Viridian's gym leader, never how is Viridian's gym leader". Much worse now.

[@TheOriginalItsCake]

The thumbnail is inaccurate, putting googly eyes on things makes them automatically better

[@chloramite567]

I don't know what's worse, these Gym Leaders or Peter lying about having a nephew

[@PhantomDusclops92]

Some errors in the video: - Fake Out is Normal-type not Dark - Despite you said that you will consider only things up until Generation 3, there are some Generation 4 moves like Worry Seed, Brine, Payback, Psycho Cut, Miracle Eye, Natural Gift, Fire Fang, X-Scissor, Earth Power, Dark Pulse and Rock Polish

[@gracecollins6891]

7:35 dream eater is shown as a ghost type move, despite being psychic type (it's shown correctly at 8:02)

[@TLNT2103-zg3sb]

Several of these also aren't coming off of their Gen III learnsets, such as Houndoom with Fire Fang and Beat Up.

[@TheGodIvy]

With so many errors, i have no reason to watch it. Seems like they did 0 research then

[@Mango_TD]

Also they say with onyx that double edge will put it out of its misery faster but it’s shown to have the ability rock head? That stops all recoil damage 15:52

[@christiancinnabars1402]

I assume that they used mons up until Gen 3, but then used movesets up until Gen 4. They specified that they would be including the physical-special split, after all.

[@bennyk384]

Please do this with more gym leaders! (And maybe E4 + Champion?)

[@DeliciousJames]

Lorelei gets 5 delibird

[@NottsAiry]

@@DeliciousJames And then Bruno can have 5 Onyx Since, if He aint even going to use a whole team of Fighting (He uses 2 Onyx / Steelix In Gens 1 / 3), Why not give him that?

[@WishGranted130]

I'd love to see this turned into a series! This is a fun concept that not many have tackled like you said. Good C O N T E N T ✨️

[@DeliciousJames]

I'd be interested in trying it out with gen 2!

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

​@@DeliciousJames It'd be interesting to see how you could possibly make Falkner worse...

[@mangoefromyoutubedotcom]

@@Hijiri_MIRACHION two farfetch'd

[@stormRed]

These teams are so bad even the worms have a chance.

[@js739]

"i dunno i made him up" is such a strong line to end on

[@JackitK]

Improving Gym Leaders: I sleep Make them as bad as possible: I wake.

[@ResettisReplicas]

Are you allowed to pick abilities? Because Onix’s is showing as Rock Head, which is actually not bad since it’s stuck with Double Edge, whereas Sturdy will just let it stall for a bit longer.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Before Gen 5, all Sturdy did was negate OHKO moves. So Sturdy is definitely the better choice there.

[@luckymcgirl9916]

Now we just need a ROM hack featuring these new teams…

[@citrus_yellow]

THAT WOULD BR SO FUNNY it’s called like pokemon sh*ttygreen version

[@zachpro5475]

@@citrus_yellowmore like Pokémon baby green

[@konbkob4156]

Ngl a ROM Hack that buffs regular trainers and nerfs boss fights would be really funny Imagine sweeping Giovanni's team but dying to Prankster Joseph's Raticate

[@thekoifishcoyote8762]

10:59 Beat up's whole gimmick is that it uses every team member's attack.

[@H1_R3Z]

They changed Beat Up in Gen 5 to only use the user's attack stat. For the sake of this video, it should still work the way you're thinking, but I can't really blame James if he didn't realize it worked like that.

[@thesirensystem]

yes, and the other 3 pokemon on the team have even lower attack than Houndoom does, I don't fully understand your point

[@BramLastname]

@@thesirensystem Why have it on the first pokémon? That's free damage for no disenable reason.

[@BramLastname]

@@thesirensystem If you switch the Growlithe and Houndoom around All that changes is that Houndoom deals less damage. Thus having Beat Up on the first pokemon is still a mistake.

[@thekoifishcoyote8762]

@@H1_R3Z Huh. That's a weird change.

[@timpearson4202]

12:29 casually throwing the Lampentair up there 😂

[@The94Nut]

I had never even thought about this but LT. Surge is hilariously ironic. “Speed of electricity” next to a cave of Dugtrio the FASTEST GROUND TYPE.

[@KuroBlitz]

This is by far the best subversion of this topic that I've seen. It's incredible. Keep up the amazing work.

[@CodenameJD]

Excellent premise, please do more. I can't even imagine how you'd make most Johto gym leaders weaker.

[@Marblegamingmaster]

8:29 Koga’s ace Pokémon that’s Lv. 43 is now the menacing, terrifying, titan of all poison types: Qwilfish. In the background: oh no

[@shadowdragun]

Wait, if the teams and movesets are based of frlg...how does Koga's qwilfish have brine? That's a 4th gen move

[@thesirensystem]

koga is hacking. He's just really really bad at it

[@SheepStar8]

This video is fantastic. Great editing and commentary! I wouldn't have thought making the Gym Leaders bad would be an interesting or humorous concept but you both make it so. :)

[@samgilbert5973]

6:09 fake out is totally dark type and super effective against psychic type 😂😂

[@robertlupa8273]

To be fair, hitting unexpectedly the moment you come out does sound like a dirty move.

[@christinafrazier1364]

12:58 this sounds like something that could be in one of those quiz videos XD. Which Pokemon has the best typing, except its about a pokemon with multiple hands like machamp or something

[@briandigiovanni6159]

Guillotine simply fails if the user is lower level than the target, so Gligar should be Giovanni's second pokemon so it's at the lowest level

[@francescocalabrese441]

The worst part about Giovanni's team is that for the type of character he is, it would make sense for him to import pokemon from other regions, and his disaster of a team is what it took for me to realize this.

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Oh god, the Jokes, Puns, Banter and Cutaways in this video are great. I’ve never actually seen this channel before. I look forward to more good stuff like this! 💚

[@peteele4030]

Wait which episode are those Giovanni dancing clips from? XD

[@DeliciousJames]

I'm not sure, I just found the gif on google. But I would assume from the ruby/sapphire anime

[@The94Nut]

I need a “lowest level bid” contest. Each of you secret auction bid for the lowest level team that you think could beat each gym leader. If you win you add the level of your pokemon to your score, if you lose you add 100 per pokemon that you used in the battle. Low score wins.

[@shepskydad]

You two are the masters of PokéPuns 👏🏼

[@DeliciousJames]

When they said id be a pokemon master, this isnt what I envisioned. But i welcome it

[@TLNT2103-zg3sb]

This video is a fun idea, though I do have several arguments against some of these decisions (Assuming Gen 3 learnsets) (New options indicated with (*)): - Really going to need to define what is “best STAB attack”; is it “highest base power”, “best move that is compatible with its stats”, or “highest in level-up learnset”? - Lileep’s weaknesses are rather finicky to work with (Fighting, Bug, Steel, Ice) while having an ability that does something, so I would argue that it would actually be HARDER to take down n both Brock’s and Erika’s teams, lacklustre moves aside. Also, the page that was referenced shows that it gets Confuse Ray at level 29, which is the level that Lileep was indicated to be - Onix has even more weaknesses, 2 of them are quad effective, and Rock Head doesn’t help it at all. I don’t think Brock could sink lower than Onix, even if Onix has more moves - (*) Lombre has rather finicky weaknesses (No weakness to Fire and Ice), while Nuzleaf has the same stat total, an ability that is only marginally more useful (Chlorophyll), and even 0 STAB moves until level 31 for Faint Attack. (Unless the requirement is that it HAS to be able to have a STAB attack in the first place) - Koga - Haunter is a Ghost type and has Levitate, deterring Ground and Psychic types, even if running off its weaker Attack stat - Weepinbell’s Wrap could do fixed damage over time and is Grass-typed to deter Ground types - Qwilfish being Water-typed and having Brine could deter Ground types - (*) Beedrill and Ariados have Swarm, are not weak to Ground, and deter Psychic with Bug, but have a lower BST than Qwilfish (Beedrill Moves: Pin missile, Rage, Pursuit, and Twineedle) (Ariados Moves: Leech Life, Fury Swipes, Night Shade, Poison Sting) - (*) Grimer evolves at level 38 and has a lower BST than Nidorina (Moves: Acid Armor, Screech, Minimise, Sludge) - (*) Gloom has lower offences, and has to use Absorb (20 BP) in place of Vine Whip (35 BP), though Moonlight and Sleep Powder are significantly more dangerous (Moves: Absorb, Acid, Moonlight, Sleep Powder) - Sabrina - Kadabra with its Gen 3 learnset still WILL have a special attack, and at the level it’s at, it’ll be Psychic, so pass (Even then, the rule of giving it its best STAB attack ) - (*) Chimecho has less special attack, has Psywave (Technically a special attack), and Levitae is not terribly useful (Moves: Psywave, Double-Edge, Heal Bell, Yawn) - Blaine - Houndoom with its Gen 3 learnset will have Ember, Faint Attack, Odor Sleuth and Bite, so it’s still not particularly strong - (*) Magcargo has the second lowest BST of all fully evolved Fire types, but it will have Flamethrower, Amnesia, Harden, and Rock Throw - Giovanni - Dugtrio’s learnset shown is from Gen 4; its Gen 3 moves would be Slash, Sand Tomb, Mud Slap, and Fury Swipes - Pupitar has Dark Pulse when Crunch is the same base power, is higher in the level up learnset at level 41, and is more compatible with its stats - (*) Sandslash has a slightly higher BST than Pupitar, but is stuck with Slash, Fury Cutter, Crush Claw and Sand Tomb

[@focus1809]

The subtle "oh no" when qwilfish was mentioned was amazing

[@herowither12354]

You should've given Koga's Weepinbell Sleep Powder, to set up for the Haunter before it.

[@koltensmith3974]

They want the gym leaders weaker, not stronger. More incompetent not competent. Lol

[@herowither12354]

@@koltensmith3974 Reread my comment. Think long and hard about it.

[@koltensmith3974]

@@herowither12354 I don't see what you're saying. Yeah Weepinbell comes after Haunter in the line up, but maybe the ai could glitch and send out Weepinbell, AFTER Haunter? Or switch?

[@herowither12354]

@@koltensmith3974 Building the teams under the assumption that everyone playing will get a one in a million glitch? That's stupid.

[@koltensmith3974]

@@herowither12354 just saying it can happen. No need to be so critical or dick about it. Lol

[@darkdragon7210]

This is a Really, Interesting, & Unique Video!!! 😍😍😍😍 Brock : Can't think of anything so it works. Misty : Is so UGLY, that Feebas Evolves from just being around Misty's Ugly Face!!! Lt. Surge : Can't think of anything Better. Ericka : How about adding Paras & Parsect with Dry Skin? Knowing Solar Beam! Koga : Can't come up with Better Team. Sabrina : What about a Beldum? After all it only knows Take Down! Blaine : Magcargo & Camerupt on his Team as both are 4x Weak to Water and since you need Surf anyway to get to Cinnabar Island!!! Giovanni : That Vibrava though with Dragon Breath is Decently Powerful plus its got a 30% to Paralysis!!!

[@Unyubaby]

Interesting choice giving Giovanni an Onix with Double-Edge while its ability is Rock Head.

[@OKreations]

Genius idea guys! Fun way to highlight how terrible level up movesets in gen 3 are

[@Hyndsyte2020]

Objection: The block shown for Giovanni's Onix at the end gives it Rock Head, which makes it not take recoil damage from Double-Edge. It should have Sturdy instead, which is one of the worst abilities in FRLG (it only blocks OHKO moves in this gen).

[@oMuStiiA]

Says Blaine wouldn't bother to evolve growlith while putting it right next to Blaine's pre-existing arcanine lmao.

[@WillyLongLegsTheSpider]

15:51 fools ! You just gave him rock head double edge,now he will destroy the opponent with his 45 base attack !

[@Sailor-Khione]

Finally, i roll my eyes when i see videos about making the gym leaders "good" some I've actually had trouble with. It just reminds me of those competitive players who say the games are too easy. It wouldn't be an issue if we had 3 difficulty modes.

[@JOSE-sh6ij]

The joke on the shipping costs made me laugh a lot

[@ObsessiveFanNumber1]

I will never get over how creative you guys are. This is brilliant 🤣

[@notgonnasay09]

I'm surprised at the restraint for not adding some Bug-type Pokemon to some of these line-ups. Like, imagine if Koga had a Beedrill on his team, or if Brock had a Shuckle.

[@darkknight5541]

"Whoopsie! That's useless without a move to inflict sleep in the first place." A lesson I learned the hard way when I first played these games. Ironically, I also taught it to a Haunter.

[@PorygonBugado]

"Making kanto gym leader stronger!" This guy: magikarp go Splash

[@murphthegangster]

Love your guys content, can’t wait to see you grow more :)

[@valzone]

Another delicious piece of James from the two of you

[@reillywalker195]

Blaine had a Magcargo in Gen II, so you could've given him a Magcargo.

[@hhjan594]

I love this unique concept. Down for more for all other regions, would be interesting to see how they differ within each regional dex.

[@JOSE-sh6ij]

The video is actually really funny I enjoyed your jokes a lot

[@dokucroe3865]

This greatly defines the bad trainers in RBY or FRLG in a nutshell but make them into gym leaders because why not.

[@dasamont8274]

Giovanni's Onix seems dangerous, it has Rock Head, so it doesn't take recoil damage from Double Edge.

[@anthonynorman7545]

I'm loving the dry humor! 😂

[@DavidStowers-o7k]

You should've switched that last Onix's ability to make it worse as Rock Head negates Double Edge's recoil damage and Sturdy only became a less useless ability from Gen. 5 onwards.

[@mihai1997]

We can't wait to see you do this to the other gym leaders from the other regions

[@hogg156]

Sunkern being a useless endeavor is peak dad joke comedy gold

[@samuelebertinazzi4468]

Make all of them have zero I.V.s and hold the Flame/Toxic orb

[@DeliciousJames]

And also blindfold them

[@koltensmith3974]

Didn't exist in gen 3

[@wilkinsmacabre850]

I love all your videos but this one’s my favorite. I’ve watched it thrice. Hope you do Johto someday

[@ClassicWatcher]

10:15 - Funnily enough, Sabrina does have Jynx on her team in HG/SS (Rematch) and Let's GO, so I guess Game Freak would disagree with your opinion.

[@The_One_In_Black]

I know it's a bit, but this is Surge slander! He mentions being tight with his Pokémon who saved him in the war!

[@natecgames4612]

this looks like it'd be the perfect challange for a trainer who has an obsesion with throwing themselves out into battle rather than their pokemon

[@xjennyintime]

Surge should've have had a Zapdos BUT he only ever uses X Speed on every turn

[@undercoverduck]

Love how you put more thought into making their team worse than I do in making my team good in any given playthrough

[@pbarry1988]

For the gen 1 stone evos (besides moon stone), you can just claim that because they have to shell out so much money since they loose, they don’t have the money to go to Celedon and buy the stones

[@sai_ai__8446]

*janine casually becoming the strongest gym leader in kanto and beating her father*

[@Error403HRD]

This is amazing, and the sheer amount of puns only elevates the experience

[@kevin1153]

I know it’s not the video format but for Blane give him his gen one AI and replace all his super potions with regular potions. Hard to make his team worse when almost all water types in gen one can no setup sweep with surf.

[@stevenreckling203]

It's technically possible for mud sport to do something on an Onix but not with those moves. Onix can learn mimic by move tutor in fr/lg and if it mimics conversion when fighting a porygon that can make it no longer ground type and able to be hit by electric moves.

[@crazychristopher1989]

You could've replaced Defense Curl with Mud Sport instead while making Tackle have a much lower accuracy rate.

[@_J_C_]

Now you have to Nerf the Elite Four/Five!🎉

[@NickOleksiakMusic]

You bounce off each other very well! Just subbed 👍

[@kidayuki9884]

The problem with lileep is that rock/grass is actually a good typing against the starter trio becoming neutral to all three with the exception of charmanders metal claw. On the principle of typing lileep is too strong for this challenge. Onyx and it's weaker then an Oddish attack stat would remain a better leader pokemon

[@LOLC2k]

Pretty cool idea... I wish you didn't break your rules in the first pokemon of the first gym leader though. It got much better after that, but someone seeing that might exit out after, thinking you repeatedly do that.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

10:48 Is... is that PokeOne? Am I going insane?

[@Bengt2509]

13:37 actually it probably wont even work because most people have a mon above level 45 by then and ohko moves are nullified by having a higher level mon

[@Lzsnyder24]

Oh this is a fantastic premise!! Can you do gold and silver gyms or the elite 4, if you haven’t already

[@thepokemonqueen]

now this is a good thought exercise

[@apocrypha5363]

I loved this. You should do Johto too, that way you cover most of the remaining types (just missing dark and fairy.) ❤

[@nintendo-relatedchannel5810]

9:23 - Using Teleport would just send it back to the Pokémon Center. You’re so cruel.

[@KurusuPanda]

You guys are straight up looking at the Gen IV movesets this whole video 😵‍💫

[@cqstlupin6074]

9:28 uhhh that psycho cut is actually good in a gen 3 game since physical and special moves are based on typing not based on moves

[@Bengt2509]

1:17

[@solereflection9284]

😅 You guys didn't hold back much. To even screw with the emotional health of the poor things.

[@Kazam354]

about Brock, ``you mean my Charmander won't deal miminum damage anymore...yeahiii (about lileep)

[@mindwarp42]

... I do not know if there is a sense of irony in catching this video not long after finishing a playthrough of Pokemon Yellow Legacy, which is a ROM hack that went in the opposite direction of this (fixing Gen 1's biggest problems without losing that Gen 1 feel). So, next question is how much worse could you make the Gen 1 versions of the Kanto gym leaders by using only Gen 1 mons, moves, and general Gen 1 weirdness? 🤔

[@VestedUTuber]

Geeze, you guys sure love to dunk on Lileep. Which... fair, considering the levels it'll be showing up at here.

[@ashmander3465]

Rip Janine and mr identity theft (green) need a sequel with the elite 4 and champion.

[@sir_bolla4048]

knowing the type split for gen 3 makes me see that some pokemon are actualy good :I

[@venomgaming7014]

I’m 101% sure the lvl 50 Onix should’ve had stone edge. It gets it at lvl 49. But it’s 80% accurate so woohoo.

[@christopherballero866]

Onix only does well in Little Cup but that's due to everything being first form & unevolved

[@scubasteevo7013]

Lileep is definitely weaker offensively than Onix, but it's better defensively, being weak to only ice, bug, and steel. Ironically making Charmander with metal claw the best option.

[@scubasteevo7013]

Just use Onix's gen 1 move set. It's doing crap all damage to you with 50 base attack, bind and tackle

[@Quetzal00358]

Predicting Game Changers and Winners at War will be on here But at least WAW gave us another Tony win

[@artmanadvanced]

That face at 7:29 XD

[@Zorgdub]

I thought this would be dumb and boring. It was dumb and hilarious. Thanks!