Fixing Kanto's Pokemon League!

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I fixed the Kanto Pokemon League to have better Pokemon, levels, movesets, strategies, and more! In today's video, we dive into how the Kanto Elite 4 and Champion could be upgraded in Generation 3, specifically Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green so that more advanced players can have more of a fun time playing through the games. Stick around to see what changes I made to the Pokemon League’s teams, and be sure to let me know in the comments if you have anything you would do differently!
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[@VeyloYT]

If you have anything you would change, leave your ideas here! Thanks for the support guys😁

[@ravio5868]

Hidden Power's a physical move because it's a normal type move. The other types for Hidden Power are actually physical or special depending on the type. So Hidden Power Water and Dark would be Special.

[@fortello7219]

I wouldn't lean into poison for Agatha, especially since Koga was Gym #6. Instead I'd lean more towards pokemon with dark, ghost, and status moves. To insure that her ghostly vibers are preserved. To that end I would use the following team: Misdreavus - Calm Mind, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Confuse Ray Gengar - Fire Punch, Shadow Ball, Destiny Bond, Explosion Marowak - Bonemerang, Swords Dance, Rock Slide, Brick Break Murkrow - Feather Dance, Torment, Drill Peck, Feint Attack Hypno - Hypnosis, Dream Eater, Ice Punch, Reflect Umbreon - Toxic, Moonlight, Mud Slap, Tickle With this set, she leads Misdreavus who can possibly calm mind sweep, if confusion afflicts your lead. Gengar is not using it's special attack to the maximum to make Psychic on Misdreavus more unique, but it's secretly packing explosion and destiny bond to make use of its speed more. It's a rare physical set. Marowak is here because of the pokemon tower thing, and adds some nice physical offense to the team. I'd give it the thick bone item. Brick Break is there to punish screen setting. Murkrow is a trickster type, lowering attack and using torment to prevent set up moves. It is a mixed attacker so it can use both flying and dark moves equally well. Hypno adds the bad and spooky dreams to the threat. Ice punch for coverage but it's mostly going to try reflect followed by hypnosis to recover on dream eater. And finally umbreon provides stall with a VERY annoying set, with the rare move tickle to increase longevity while also improving the low damage of mud-slap.

[@mna4953]

Fixing paldean champion team 😅

[@VeyloYT]

@@mna4953haha I’ll consider it!

[@mccuefam1452]

Your ideas are intriguing, but here is how I would make the teams, and I will ONLY use pokemon from the regional dex, not the national dex. For Lorelei would have the same team, just swap in kingler for vaporean. For Bruno, since I am not going to use the national dex, he will instead of having steelix, would have tauros, stopping it's charges would be a great training method for him. Agatha will still have a golbat over her illegal crobat, swap in nidoking for venusaur because she likes "scary" pokemon. And swap in hypno for the weaker gengar, because it has some creepy dex entries. And finally, Lance will swap in scyther and dodrio for kangaskhan and kingdra both because he is considered to be a glorified bird keeper, and also to once again respect the og dex. Blues team would be the same as you made it. Just with jolteon swapped in for rhydon, and with blastoise being the Canon starter.

[@shovanrahman1111]

I've always thought that Lance should have a Dodrio on his team. I know its not necessarily a dragon per se, but the fact that it has three heads reminds me of a Hydra, and top of that his "signature" move, Hyper Beam would work pretty well on Dodrio if he gets one, as not only its a strong move, but Dodrio would be the only mon on his team to get STAB on it, making it very strong.

[@VeyloYT]

That’s a great idea, I didn’t even consider that. Cool thought, thanks for commenting! 😁

[@intuitivelymagician2076]

Interesting

[@NecromancyForKids]

He is basically a flying type specialist anyway

[@shovanrahman1111]

@@NecromancyForKids Fr

[@tordlindgren2123]

That would absolutely shred up the lead to have a lvl 55 dodrio with hyper beam at the start.

[@armorbearer9702]

(14:05) I agree that Kangaskhan is a good pick for Lance. Kangaskhan's appearance may have been based on Kaiju according to Bulbapedia.

[@merlinmeurer5339]

A bit of an Correction, Hidden powers damage Category is still determined by its typing. HP Water is still a special move.

[@VeyloYT]

Thanks for pointing that out. Its annoying that I made that mistake haha

[@vingreninja]

This video is very well researched and entertaining to watch. Editing is top tier and I liked that you added video clips of the Pokémon.

[@VeyloYT]

Thank you so much man!

[@gaelboukra3022]

Not really an error that changes anything to the video, but when you showed Steelix's movepool, you said he was a Rock-Steel type instead of a Ground-Steel.

[@gaelboukra3022]

Also, Dark-type moves are special in gen 3. Hitmonlee should run HP Ghost instead.

[@VeyloYT]

Haha whoops. Of course I still managed to make a small mistake, there’s so much to put on screen in this video😂. Thanks for commenting, I hope you enjoyed the video!

[@gaelboukra3022]

Actually, I think you don't understand how Hidden Power works in Gen 3. It's not a physical move, its category depends on the type it takes. Hidden Power Water is a special move, because all Water moves are special, Poliwrath should just run Surf.

[@VeyloYT]

Yes, I realized that after making the video lol. Thanks for letting me know😁

[@og_3dm]

Amazing video brother just loved it ❤️⚡

[@VeyloYT]

Thank you so much for coming back and watching 3DM!

[@megalucariotrainer2245]

This is so much better. The only thing that would have made this better is in post-game you rematch all the gym leaders and elite four but now they have new pokemon like regional variations and evolved forms of the pokemon that can evolve further. I know your only going up to gen 3 but still great video.😊😊😊😊😊

[@VeyloYT]

Yes I totally agree, and I hope they remake Kanto with those evolutions one day! Once again thanks for coming to the channel, I appreciate the support 😁

[@Boyzzok]

They actually do have gen 2 pokemon when rametched in FireRed and LeafGreen and have Alolan forms when rematched in Let's go Pikachu/Eevee

[@mastrorick]

I think blue should start with a Tauros instead of a Pidgeot, just like how he changed Raticate. It could be a nasty surprise for the player who is expecting the second weakest, fully evolved bird. Tauros would have Frustration with lowest friendship for a 102 power stab, as it is with Return the most powerful normal move he can learn without locking himself or losing a turn, Earthquake to rip apart rock and steel types trying to wall it, hidden power flying for coverage against fighting, and rest with a chesto berry since Tauros can take a lot of damage from either physical or special. I can see this Tauros easily scoring one or two ko's on the player before going down. I'm also giving it Frustration instead of Return from a lore perspective. Not only it would be the most recent pokemom Blue has gotten, but also it would resonate at the end when Oak scolds Blue for not treating his pokemons with love. Another reason why I'm giving him Tauros is because Tauros is pretty much the antithesis of Snorlax, the other super powerful normal pokemon who is iconic of Red

[@JustSomeGuyIG]

While this was a generally well researched video, i do feel i have to say one thing that kinda triggered me the whole video long: hidden power is not physical. Or well... the hidden powers you used weren't. Neighter hidden power dark nor water are physical, but i do understand why youd think that, as normal, hidden powers default type, IS physical. In gen 3, it is determined by the type of the attack, not the attack itself, that wouldnt come until gen 4 and the pss (physical special split). Another thing of note: ghost IS a phsyical type, and thus shadowball is a phsyical move, so it is practically useless on agatha.

[@VeyloYT]

Yeah, I did not consider that when scripting the video so I ended up going with it anyways haha. I’m glad I didn’t rely on hidden power too much, and I suppose shadow ball on gengar was the only decent ghost move I could have given it so I might have gone with that anyways. Thanks for the comment! 😁

[@WTC-1990]

This is how I'd run it if I was in charge Lorelei - water / ice _Blastoise, Dewgong, Chansey,_ _Slowbro, Cloister, Lapras_ ----------------------------------------------- Bruno - fighting / ground _Kangaskhan, Sandslash, Golem,_ _Hintmonchan, Hintmonlee, Marchamp_ Replace Golem with Steelix for later games --‐-------------------------------------------- Agatha - Ghost / Poison _Venasaur, Arbok, Tentacruel,_ _Golbat, Marowak, Gangar_ --------------------------------------------- Lance - flying / dragon _Fearow, Gyarados, Aerodactyl,_ _Charazard, Scyther, Dragonite_ -----------‐‐--------------------------------- Blue _Pidgeot, Alakazam, Rhydon_ _Exeggutor, Gyarados, Arcanine_ Theme of having 1 pokemon outside of the type Marowak for Agatha Kangaskhan for Bruno Chansey for Lorelei

[@francescocalabrese441]

I'm not really vibing with Kangaskhan for Lance, the thing is very clearly a mammal, I believe a Steelix would work much better: it can learn some dragon moves, it's basically land Gyarados and it would work as a sort of land dragon. I get wanting Kangaskhan to be used more, but it really doesn't fit any more than stuff like Rhydon or the Nidos. I would have also put in Marowak somewhere on Agatha's team, the thing is heavily connected to death and the one spot in Kanto where you can find a Ghost type, Lavender Town, probably instead of the Venusaur that, despite having been used by her already, really doesn't work for a Ghost type specialist (and let's be real, Stadium has a bunch of... less than sensible choices when it comes to Pokemon for gym leaders and E4s).

[@VeyloYT]

Great ideas, thanks for commenting 😁

[@fortello7219]

I would have Aurora Beam on Vaporeon over Blizzard. It's damage is okay, but it has a different secondary effect than just freezing, which adds some nice variety

[@VeyloYT]

I was considering that. I just figured I wanted there to be a bit of chance involved with the blizzard possibly missing to make it a bit more of a thrilling battle. You’re right though it would have been a better move haha

[@robertlupa8273]

I would've personally given Hitmonchan Counter instead of Ice Punch. Rock Slide already covers Flying types. 35 special attack is too low to use special moves. Plus, Counter can be a nice surprise move. In a similar vein, I think Hitmonlee should have Hidden Power Ghost instead of Dark. Both hit the same types for super-effective damage, however Ghost is physical while Dark is special. And no, Hidden Power is not always physical in Gen 2 & 3. Its damage category depends on what type it is. Poliwrath's HP Water will still be special unfortunately.

[@VeyloYT]

That’s a pretty good idea! Thanks for commenting 😁

[@voltexcrushgaming7310]

Great Video!

[@VeyloYT]

Thanks!

[@ivanbluecool]

This is probably why I wish teams could get fixes for newer gens. Better moves and abilities to use to make them a more balanced challenge

[@VeyloYT]

Exactly! That’s the goal here. Did you like the new teams?

[@ivanbluecool]

@@VeyloYT i think any improvements are sweet to see. This one definitely

[@cerromeceo]

You should've gave Agatha an Umbreon

[@VeyloYT]

That’s a good idea, I didn’t think of that. Thanks for commenting 😁

[@cerromeceo]

@@VeyloYT Kanto pokemon with an evolution or pre-evolution should be included in the regional dex. All Eeveelution included

[@christopherballero866]

Much improved teams not giving the trainers & player access to more than just Gen 1 Pokemon in FR/LG was a bad call as it does handicap the player a lot. I get they were doing a remake of R/B but still. Perhaps give Agatha a few ghosts instead of all poison like Dusclops & Misdrevious. I like Lance having a Khangaskan as it like Dratini/Dragonair can only be found in the Safari Zone.

[@VeyloYT]

While I agree with that, I think these teams would want to keep Kanto’s Pokemon to remain loyal to their home region, at least until the rematches. Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate talking to this awesome community we’re forming! 😁

[@michaelclark2458]

Blastoise on Lorelei’s team. It’s tanky just like most of her team.

[@VeyloYT]

good idea, I should have kept that theme of them all having starters

[@RaxusPrime29]

I think all Elite Four members should only have 5 pokemon each not 6. Its already challenging enough and poketubers forget the massive gap in trainer battles to earn XP between the 8th gym, Victory Road and the League. It's very difficult to level up your pokemon before the league even with grinding using the vs seeker. Also, last point, everyone who does fixing the league videos always slap way way too many offensive high damage dealing moves. The pokemon league is supposed to be a long fought, draining challenge requiring strategic decisions followed by healing after fights. Giving all enemy pokemon moves like Blizzard, Thunderbolt, Earthquake Ice Beam etc is just gonna one or two shot all the players pokemon

[@VeyloYT]

that's a fair comment. I think I was trying to cater to those who really want a fun, challenging battle with more exciting moves, but you do have a point where some of the moves might be a bit too OP. I did add in lots of strategic moves like reflect and other setup moves as well to try and balance it. Thanks for commenting!

[@starvoltnexus3139]

I just got my phobia poison type specialist because that’s basically the secondary type all of her Pokémon share

[@WTC-1990]

Elite 4: Lorelei (Snow) Alolan Ninetails Iron Bundle Glaceon Galerian Slowking Alolan Sandslash Lapras Elite 4: Bruno - Fighting / Ground Great Tusk Tauros - Aqua Breed Blood Moon Ursaluna Tauros - Blaze Breed Ursaluna Marchamp Elite 4 Agatha Arbok Flutter Mane Alolan Marowak Victreebel Tentacruel Gangar Elite 4 Lance Gyarados Kingdra Lugia Aerodactyl Ho-Oh Dragonite

[@JoeMama-ub9zn]

Nice video 😊

[@VeyloYT]

Thanks for commenting 😊

[@masterchiefmc4199]

This is great! Kang was a cool choice for lance but I wouldn’t mind having two dragonite as it is a nod to his champion theme and it seems to be a go to pokemon that he uses. While slash is ok I believe giving Charizard earthquake instead would give every starter that same move. Plus it would be a nod to blue beating Giovanni and giving one of the best moves to his starter. Additionally it is great for charizard’s electric and rock weaknesses. Another thought is having hypno for Agatha as it fits with her creepy pokemon aesthetic but at the same time having the poison theme is also fair. Lastly Arbok and possibly her other pokemon should have more ghost type move representation as it is her type. While not all pokemon can learn ghost type moves and should for that matter, I wouldn’t mind changing arbok’s hidden power to ghost to still cover that psychic weakness as well as shadow ball to Tentacruel and Crobat. Tentacruel’s moveset was already great and for some odd reason ghost is physical but either way I love what you did and it was a mass improvement!

[@VeyloYT]

Great ideas, I really appreciate the support! Thanks for coming to the channel 😁

[@SinisterPixel]

I personally think for the second fire, grass and water moves on the three Kanto starters for Blue, you should have done blast burn, hydro cannon, and frenzy plant instead. Although these moves recharge, if the AI sees a kill with them when an opponent is at high health, it will go for them and that could really disrupt the player.

[@VeyloYT]

That’s a good point, I didn’t consider that! Thanks for the comment 😁

[@ryanbaker7434]

I understand your rules about evolutions up to Gen 3 but I would have given lorelei glaceon over vaporeon since I don't like giving leaders pokemon outside their type. (Which is hard because you have 1 dragon line plus kingdra and one ghost line plus annihilape) I also would have given Agatha annihilape

[@VeyloYT]

I like your ideas! If I remake the video to include Pokémon past gen 1/evolutions of gen 1 Pokémon then I would definitely include those on their teams. Thanks for commenting 😁

[@ryanbaker7434]

For moves I think the physical special split should be utilized

[@VeyloYT]

Yes, in this video the moves were based on gen 3, so there was a physical special split

[@pauledwards6183]

I love your Pokemon for Lance's team. It's awesome :)

[@VeyloYT]

Thanks, I appreciate it! I’m glad you enjoyed the additions😁

[@chester3449]

charm on vaporeon. yeah, i get it...

[@VeyloYT]

Woahhh not what I meant lmao

[@mortrixs1936]

I would give lorelei blastoise instead of vaporeon because you gave lance and agatha the other 2 starters. Just to show the turtle some love to him

[@VeyloYT]

That’s actually a great idea. I didn’t even realize I was using that theme of starters until now haha but if I did this video again I would definitely add Blastoise! Thanks for the comment😁

[@mortrixs1936]

@@VeyloYT yes also they kinda fill the same role of a slow but tanky water type with good coverage, definetly a good addition!

[@lillywalker8464]

There are no psychical water moves this is gen 3 there us no psychical special split

[@clutchto6012]

Goat

[@VeyloYT]

Goat

[@ItsFireTiger]

All the teams were good, but idk why there was still 2 Gengars

[@ItsFireTiger]

Seeing that a lot of the grass types in Kanto aren't too fast, Signal Beam on Dewgong would counter them cause technically you could nearly sweep Lorelei with one if you're lucky. Then for Bruno, Dragon Breath on Steelix would help his team alot since they're not very fast in general so having a way to put paralysis can help. Arbok with Glare can paralyzed the opponent too helping her slower Poison types that's not Gengar to move first. Bite on Arcanine makes sense cause it's fast and can potentially flinch you forcing you to miss a turn. The fire spin on Charizard is useless, but only because out of the 100s of Videos I've watched, he's never used that move, even though if he did that's trap the player in and they could lose their Mon cause they're trapped. Ice Beam on Blastoise provides coverage against Grass Types that people might switch in to try to kill it just like how you got Earthquake on it to cover it's Electric weakness.

[@VeyloYT]

Those are fair points! I decided to keep both gengars since there wasn’t much else I could think to give her, and having both of them serve different purposes seemed like a smart way to split them apart from each other rather than just duplicating the one. I didn’t know dewgong could learn signal beam, but wouldn’t the ice moves I have it be able to take out grass types?

[@VeyloYT]

Your other points are great as well, thanks for your input! It’s nice being able to talk to the awesome community we’re forming here 😁

[@ItsFireTiger]

@@VeyloYT I had to look it up to make sure if it was a Gen 3 move. And if for any other reason. If a psychic type came in then the Signal Beam would surely bring them down as it is a Physical move in Gen 3 and some of their defense stats are paper thin, like Alakazam I was also thinking about Iron Head but it's a Gen 4 Move, I thought about Hitmonlee and Blaze Kick but it only gets it in Gens 4-9.

[@VeyloYT]

Yeah, it’s so tough to make sure they get the coverage that they need using gen 3 moves, but maybe I’ll make another video based on recent Pokémon and moves. We will see how this one does first haha

[@marcnawezi1877]

Limiting yourself to gen 3 is boring to me but i leave a like and a comment because i like pokemon

[@VeyloYT]

Yeah that’s fair, but I figured I’d have to stick with the Kanto theme. Maybe I’ll make another video with all gens!

[@marcnawezi1877]

@@VeyloYT I would be glad to see it , i love kanto

[@darthmaul5413]

hidden power dark is a Special move not a Physical move Dark is Special in gen 3 or gen 2 hidden power is Special or Physical base on type Special Water Grass Fire Ice Electric Psychic Dragon Dark Physical Normal Fighting Flying Ground Rock Bug Ghost Poison Steel

[@VeyloYT]

Yes I realized that after I made the video😂. Thanks for the comment though! Welcome to the community 😁

[@fortello7219]

Just swap it for ghost. Hits the same things super effectively, while being physical.@@VeyloYT

[@VeyloYT]

@@fortello7219if I remade the video that would be what I would do

[@angelsantiago4903]

Charizard is not a dragon😡

[@VeyloYT]

Arbok is not a snake 😡

[@Luperecio]

Zubat is not a bat😡

[@br41nc3ll]

Kinda weak sorry no sub yet

[@VeyloYT]

What would you change? Just curious