DELPHI TRIAL DAY 18: DRAMATIC CLOSING ARGUMENTS with Dr. John Matthias

[@yvonnebennett3688]

I love it when John gets fired up! "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”- Maya Angelou x

[@primaveraprimavera2415]

Maya Angelou - this is my mantra! You won’t go far wrong with this in life…

[@heathercarolyn11]

Absolutely 💯

[@cindylien2055]

Yes!!!!

[@JamieBB1753]

@yvonnebennett3688 Exactly! You do mean that first interview with police right? (ret.)

[@baileystine357]

This is absolutely something that young people n eed to learn. I was never taught this, but if I had I wonder if I could have spared myself from an abusive marriage and scary divorce. Believe them. They are showing you who they are through every day behavior - intentionally or otherwise.

[@geminies5087]

You both have my utmost respect. Thank you, Lauren, for your incredible sacrifice away from your family in order to cover this case and keep us informed. Dr. John, your expertise and years of experience dealing with criminals and what makes them “tick” is so valuable in the lawtube and true crime space. Thank you for your insights.

[@michelelindsey2661]

I was raped I was terrified to scream he said if I did he would kill me I can't imagine the fear those girls felt in that moment so saying no one heard them scream I was an adult and I was to afraid to scream that was so wrong on the side of the defense attorney

[@denisia1111]

Thank you for sharing and more people need to know you staying silent is the normal reaction. It's not just fight or flight. More often it's fawn, that means staying quiet and not upsetting the attacker. It's a known trauma response for self preservation. Never ever doubt what you did was wrong, I strongly believe you saved your life. Seriously thank you for speaking out about staying silent, you should be proud of yourself for clearing up a stupid misconception.

[@kenbrb6261]

So sorry that happened to you...

[@esk2g]

not to mention they were 13 and 14 and had a gun pointed at not only themselves but their best friend too. sometimes if someone u love is in danger you comply.

[@michellelee7230]

I’m so sorry that happened to you. Most kids do not scream when an adult is commanding over them. I can’t remember the name of the specific serial k*ller/child r*pist who said this but after his conviction, he gave some advise for LE to pass on to the public, which was to teach your children to scream when grabbed by an adult. Because so many of his victims he was able to nab in daylight, off busy street with witnesses watching because everyone assumed he was their parent when they didn’t scream when he grabbed their arm to lead them away. The very few times that a kid scream, he immediately let go and ran away. It’s so frustrating to hear a defense weaponize the issue of screaming in terrifying situations like this that are hard for the unassuming victim to even wrap their mind around when it’s happening.

[@With_a_Grain_of_Salt]

Thank you for sharing. The real life context to the situation. You are giving the girls a voice.

[@Madly98]

Dr John yelling about evidence is the most relatable thing I’ve seen on the internet

[@aliciaa5894]

Same. I feel heard😂

[@redlikewineagain697]

Right?! I was laughing out loud 😂😂😂 His frustration is palpable. All the confessions 😂😂😂.

[@bene6532]

The "evidence" ... Wow... To think that people are still holding on to this belief that there's anything even vaguely resembling solid evidence against RA at this point is just perplexing in the extreme.

[@HeyyyRobyn]

Yessss! Thank you Dr John! A real opinion based on logic, not clicks.

[@HeyLunchboxxy]

​@bene6532 have you just ignored the entire trial or what lmao

[@annafleuriot2766]

My fav version of Dr John ever. Fired up and dishing out truth bombs.

[@nancyparsons7911]

Thanks Dr. John for explaining personality disorder as it pertains to Richard Allen. Thanks Lauren for being there everyday and giving us lunch lives and nightly updates.

[@shoe_thompsano]

@@nancyparsons7911 ;_; ah shucks, I'm so glad you said that. I second that. I'm very appreciative.

[@I.Grow.Multiples]

She’s a trooper for sure!! I love these two!!

[@shoe_thompsano]

Dr John is so educated and level headed. Dr John is the MAN

[@beez991]

I agree

[@martha599]

I Agree

[@lsb888]

Me, too

[@carolynwright3026]

@@shoe_thompsano Well said!!

[@jimmystabler3778]

He stinks

[@shoe_thompsano]

Dr. John's comments on dependent personality disorder-specifically on how his wife and mother weren’t giving him the permission and reassurance he was seeking on order to confess- very well stated and bettered my understanding.

[@toribern419]

Exactly. John knows his shit. And we have AB channel of stupid over there saying that HTC don’t know what they’re talking about. Like seriously??? So irritating

[@fabbi9548]

Definitely. I felt the wife and mother were basically gaslighting him when he was trying to confess to them.

[@bene6532]

​@@fabbi9548 They weren't 'gaslighting' him. They knew he had been tortured beyond repair at that point and were trying to prevent him from helping the state put him away for life.. Luckily this jury will do the right thing and set him free though.

[@ShayEdle]

​@@bene6532 ​I agree, he should've been put in GP the minute he was arrested!! Everybody knows prisoners LOVE people that hurt kids and there's no way his high profile case and mental issues would've made him a target, he would've been fine and if anything would've happened to him it would be ok right? I mean at least he wasn't in solitary. It must have been absolute torture him being protected, sitting on his tablet all day, making 700 calls, daily visits with a therapist, visits with his wife, having S buddy, offered a tv, video calls etc. And can you believe they WASHED HIM? Who cares that he had rolled in 💩 and the therapist was there to speak to him, they should've left him in his 💩. It's ridiculous

[@bene6532]

@@ShayEdle I can tell you're actually serious in writing all that... Absolutely incredible... You will see the videos that the jury saw one day; and then you will have to deal with your former pathological credulity.

[@gregmontbello6969]

The way she talks to Dr John i always notice how much she loves him. It’s refreshing. What a lucky guy

[@asllaniiiii]

He is also so handsome❤

[@piapedersen]

They're both lucky.

[@birtajonsdottir9910]

Yeah, they're so cute, I love their love. I always call my husband my better half too & I don't care what anybody has to say about that 😊

[@mah3223alia]

I find it a bit weird to be honest.

[@CowSaysMooMoo]

@@asllaniiiii He is? Wow....takes all types I guess. Looks like Peter Griffin.

[@whitecat587]

Thank God for Dr. Johns reason and honest comments in this case. I honestly can’t believe that so many channels (and their subscribers) are actually believing that Richard Allen is the victim in this case and think he isn’t guilty. The true victims in this case have been lost in all the noise, and I fear that a confessed murderer (60 coherent confessions) is about to walk free. Thank you both for your excellent coverage of this trial.

[@sheilasunshine9173]

I’m afraid he’s going to get away with it!

[@whitecat587]

@@sheilasunshine9173 me too! Really scared scared about this one 🙁

[@rhondawebb8333]

​@sheilasunshine9173 me too. Can't even believe how defense is trying to make him the victim.

[@whitecat587]

@@rhondawebb8333 and so many seem to be buying right into it! No critical thinking at all

[@JenJen-02]

Dr. Matthias is so right...I agree 100% with what you're saying.

[@kirstiebrooks3715]

Brave Libby tried to solve her own case. She tried her best. God bless her. Hope it worked!!

[@debbieolds]

@@kirstiebrooks3715 How did she do that since I highly doubt she even saw BG. The jury didn’t see him LE enhanced the video to get “BG”

[@DTAever]

@@debbieoldsdid you actually listen to anything from the trial?! 🤦🏼‍♀️ they definitely saw BG… in the video Abby says “is he right by me?”. Why do you think Libby started recording? They got the image OFF THE VIDEO SHE TOOK.

[@BarryMcCockiner-em5sv]

Bridge Guy was in the court room. His name is Richard Allen.

[@debbieolds]

@@DTAever she recorded Abby crossing the bridge. Allegedly for the first time . I don’t mean any disrespect here. I think he eventually caught up to them but I don’t think it was taped When the State showed the non-enhanced video - jury didn’t see BG If I’m Wrong then I guess the 3 attorneys in KZbin need to clarify this. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they were wrong No need to get upset about it

[@DTAever]

@@debbieolds the video shows Abby for a second then shows a quick shot of BG then goes to the ground. It was enhanced thus the video we’ve always seen. Abby literally says “is he right by me?” “Don’t leave me up here”… they KNEW he was following them and were clearly uncomfortable. It’s biased pro defense KZbinrs putting things out. Is it easy to see bridge guy without it being slowed and enhanced? No… but is he in the video ? Absolutely and they knew he was coming up on them.

[@ColleenMarie111]

I know the doctor is not happy about being on KZbin and it shows in his facial expressions he's stoic in the beginning. I don't blame him at all. But I do love when he comes on because he hits the nail on the head every time. The way he explains it is just so simple and knowledgeable. I appreciate both of you so much!

[@CowSaysMooMoo]

I'm new here...whhy doesnt he like youtube?

[@alejandracontreras446]

totally agree

[@michellemcneal7352]

You know that’s her husband don’t you?

[@malinoscarsson9362]

​@@CowSaysMooMoo Cause it's YT and people are gross, they receive hate mail and threats because some people don't like their takes and opinions. People act like animals on social media.

[@jeanie8831]

​@@malinoscarsson9362Yes, they're awful and could be dangerous, even be criminals. We don't know who we're sharing comments with.

[@Lbeenk]

I can’t afford a membership or patreon but appreciate being able to subscribe. Thanks for all you both do and kudos to mods and line savers.

[@JulieAnne-7]

I also can’t afford Patreon or membership. I really appreciate this information, Lauren and Dr. John.

[@beckyklepper315]

Same!

[@gailgaub3586]

@@beckyklepper315same

[@ericaf2024]

Same 🙏🏻

[@shoe_thompsano]

@@Lbeenk yeah I wish they had a dollar option :( there's so many people that want patreon memberships that really adds up and at $5 a pop that gets out of hand for a normal underpaid person

[@jaybee5466]

John, no one is saying RA should not be in jail. Anyone arrested for this type of crime should not have bail and be in jail until trial. The argument has not been to give him bond, the argument is prison and solitary confinement are not appropriate prior to trial. Traditionally county jail is proper while awaiting trial.

[@1014-m6s]

@@jaybee5466 not when they are suicidal

[@loralieisa]

@@1014-m6s They can prevent suicide in jail. That is where he should be held.

[@Su_aSponte]

@@jaybee5466 exactly. It’s dismissive and insulting when people try to act like those of us who doubt Allen’s involvement in this heinous crime are somehow rooting for his immediate release. Not true. We understand that he stands accused of the most serious of crimes. The public must be shielded at the same time as the defendant needs to have their Constitutional rights shielded. We need jails and we have a lot of them. What we need more is competent psychological care, and humane treatment for the accused. We need due process for Mr. Allen because I need it, you need it, and everyone who ignores this message may truly need it someday. His unlawful treatment is a separate yet related issue. It should never have been allowed to happen in the first place and must never be allowed to happen to a United States citizen, ever. So, why did it happen? Is Indiana run by Constitution hating assholes? Probably not. How about Carroll county tho? Asking why is never a bad thing but you have to take the answers whether you like them or not if you are dedicated to truth and justice. So yes the issues are separate but illustrative of the deeper issues in Delphi, such as the pervasive devaluation of human life and liberty. The presumption of innocence is our right and the protection of the public is the government’s duty and interest. So, jail and attorneys before a fair trial and judgement. It’s imperfect but it works without obliterating a citizen’s rights before they have even had a chance to face their accusers. This Mr. Allen was/is an average citizen. He’s no hardened criminal. He is gainfully employed. He loves his mother, sister, wife, and daughter. He has a mental health diagnoses which he manages with the proper meds and close family relationships. When you take everything that keeps this kind of man sane away from them overnight…wouldn’t it be more shocking if he wasn’t suicidal? Keeping someone isolated, messing with their meds, and gaslighting them about being a child killer…of course they will deteriorate and become confused, self destructive, and desperate. Having no power to soothe, protect, or defend yourself sounds like a waking nightmare. He may have needed protection from others and himself for a time but without accompanying, effectual treatment, support, and hope the suicide watch is worthless for anything other than draconian punishment. There needs to be an end in sight. Imagine nothing you can do will change the hell of your situation. Month after month after month you are still utterly alone. The only people you see regularly don’t exactly care if you live or die. It’s too much for the cognitively healthy person. How much more challenging can we expect it will be for a diagnosed depressive/dependent personality? I just can’t understand Dr. John working so hard to defend an indefensible human and Constitutional rights violation. It doesn’t even sound like him. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance and bias in favor of law enforcement and we all hold him up as smarter and better than that. My personal theory is that he is working on this profile from an assumption of guilt and so is unable to see certain facts because of that bias. He has historically analyzed convicted or, at least, clearly guilty criminals. This one is a different animal though. It just won’t fit in that one person box…

[@backwoodsgeorgiagirl5594]

He would have been in solitary in county jail too. If he had been put in general population with his charges we would not be having a trial he would be dead

[@Su_aSponte]

@ yo I hear your justifications but I promise you you’re on the wrong side of history and human dignity to keep defending the way this American citizen has been treated by his government. American citizens are not to be held in prison with dangerous convicts before they have been found guilty in an American court of law having had zealous representation and advocacy in the form of a knowledgable officer of the court who fights to insure the people do not overcharge, over punish, exploit, trick, or violate your Constitutional rights. Solitary confinement has been proven to cause all kinds of cruel and unusual harm to human beings especially when extended beyond thirty days. When you are found guilty you may lose your Constitutional rights for the duration of your sentence but it is still illegal for others to abuse, harm, or kill you, a human being. And it’s definitely illegal for them to treat you in that manner when you are only accused and not yet found guilty of a crime. This man’s treatment should alarm and outrage anyone who understands the five hundred ways in which it is wrong and could happen to anyone if we the people don’t hold them accountable. Just shrugging and downplaying the seriousness of it may only be a small expression of callousness but you know what happens when you give the devil an inch…he’ll take a mile.

[@4spikers]

Just so you know, FYI, John and Lauren, the 3 attorneys who are in the courtroom each day, are not presenting skewed information....in fact, they are all on the same page Lauren, as a reporter, is presenting biased information....go watch the 3 attorneys as many are, including myself, each night and then I come here and listen to Lauren...hard to believe they are all in the same courtroom.

[@FlowerGirl8]

The defence attorneys covering this trial on YT are highly biased and have been long before the trial started.

[@nicolelarson2541]

I've been watching you all for several years now on a weekly basis and I've never seen Dr. John this animated. I appreciate your honestly and stating the facts, period. You've always stayed true to yourself and don't change who you are just to get clicks and views. This is something that is so rare to find these days. Thank you, thank you, thank you for all that you do!

[@RachelDeal2024]

I have fallen in love with this channel during this trial! Lauren has done an Amazing job getting as many facts and information about what was going on in that whole court house!!!!!! Everyone makes mistakes especially when you can’t hear or see what is going on 75% of the time!! I take everything John says to heart after all he sees these things 1st hand Every single Day! !!!

[@andreavinson2129]

Thank you both for continuing the story that Libby started. She did everything she could to show us who killed her and her best friend. Yall are amazing ❤

[@tracycavallucci5367]

Yes, that little girl was courageous. May they get the justice they deserve

[@Luluisraging.86]

May Justice Be Served!

[@glenf6639]

So true. The saddest part of this is that the real killer(s) will never be brought to justice.

[@glenf6639]

@@Luluisraging.86how can it?

[@offtonarnia1737]

It breaks my heart to think of them being so afraid. We will never forget them. ❤Libby and Abby❤️

[@allisonhazelwood102]

I appreciate you both so much. Lauren you did a fabulous job and Dr. John’s insight has been informative. Thank you!

[@glamdolly30]

A heartfelt THANK YOU to Lauren and Dr John for the brilliant insights they shared during this marathon, 3+ hours Live show. Dr John's thoughts on Richard Allen's confessions alone, were utterly compelling. Allen's confessions do NOT have the flavour or context of false confessions, as his supporters claim. Rather, as Dr John explained, it's clear he was begging his wife and his mother to hear him and accept the awful truth that he murdered two children, and to LOVE HIM JUST THE SAME. This rings powerfully true, and brought to my mind an infamous British murder case of over 30 years ago, the child-on-child killing of two year old James Bulger. A pair of 10 year old boys abducted toddler James (out shopping with his mother), walked him two miles to a deserted railway track, and tortured and killed him there. Both boys were swiftly identified and taken into custody, thanks to CCTV footage. In police questioning, the 10 year old killers initially denied any involvement in the heinous crime. But ultimately one of the boys confessed to his mother in the interrogation room. Crucially, he had prefaced his confession to her with the question: "If I did it, will you still love me?" As fearful as she must have been at the sickening revelation to come, to her credit his mother urged her son to tell the truth, reassuring him that she and his father would always love him no matter what, and nothing would ever change that. That child was expressing exactly the same sentiment Richard Allen did, when he shared his terrible truth with his wife and mother. But unlike that little boy's mother, Allen's closest family would not give him the reassurance of unconditional love he sought from them. In stark contrast, Richard Allen's wife and mother would NOT hear him, instead they shut him down and did not allow him to own his crime. The late, great Dr Maya Angelou had a wonderful piece of wisdom, which sums this up perfectly: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". Richard Allen has shown/told us who he is repeatedly. It will be beyond ironic if, like his closest family, this jury shuts their ears to the truth he has shared over 60 times, and acquits him. Lauren - Yet again you have proved your credentials as a top journalist. You worked tirelessly and diligently throughout this trial, and your daily reports were the gold standard. You deserve a lazy Sunday while the Jury's off, and I sincerely hope you'll spend it with your feet up, being waited on by your two gorgeous men! Love and respect from the UK.

[@michelletruelove7783]

@glamdolly30 respectfully, his mother did actually tell him she's gonna love him no matter what always. Kathy also said she loved him still after he Said he did it. But as John stated due to denial and a lifetime of being overprotective, they continued to say he didn't and couldn't. So both are true. But I agree n remember the Bulger case well.that was a good reference n point

[@glamdolly30]

@@michelletruelove7783 My point is that neither his wife nor his mom wanted to hear his confession, they both shut him down.

[@IsTheMoose]

​@glamdolly30 tremendously well worded 👏

[@samanthaquant7411]

My husband is the kindest, most giving person I've ever met. He consistently feels guilty, thinks he's selfish, and takes blame that he shouldn't take on himself. My mother was the same way. Neither one of them would have hurt a fly, but in a fragile mental state I could see either one of them cracking and taking blame for something that they'd been told for months was their fault.

[@Kathie4]

I've wondered about this too. Plus, his su!cidal ideation might cause him to "give up" on fighting for himself. AND he may have been highly suggestible in that state... Just my thoughts.

[@lisas8244]

@samanthaquant7411 You do understand the difference between giving a false confession to detectives in an interrogation room after hours of pressure versus confessing to your wife freely without any pressure from her, right? And you do understand no one can be convicted on a confession alone. There must be corroborating evidence, either direct physical evidence or a mountain of circumstantial evidence. A confession alone is not enough for a conviction.

[@bene6532]

@@lisas8244 Right. And there is nothing even close to enough solid evidence to convict RA.. And this jury is about to agree,

[@HeyLunchboxxy]

@bene6532 well except the video of his car at 1:27. And him saying in feb 2017 that he was there from 130-330 wearing bridge guys clothes. And the whole bullet being a match thing. You can't pretend all that doesn't count, but it does. RA has not provided a single piece of evidence that shows he was there at a different time.

[@nicelydone4846]

If RA is guilty, he has a secret life. He may have a similar personality, behavior, or life experience to any one of us. The people that commit these crimes have a secret life that they hide. Not all murders are psychopaths. They don't all have the same behavior. Murderers kill for different reasons. Murderers have personalities and behaviors just as varied as those who will never harm another soul. Some people that commit murder can be very kind, loving people that raise children and take care of their family. Thats the spectrum of human behavior. Don't believe anyone that tells you there are absolutes in human behavior and the choices they make. 😊 Behavior, personality, is not an indicator of guilt or innocence.

[@jessicaschubach4174]

Dr. John is absolutely right about the time of RA's confession to his wife and mother being before any sign of psychosis. It is pivotal and so important to this case. Thank you both for your insight and professionalism.

[@jenniferferguson1517]

No he isn’t right. He was clearly psychotic prior to any confession. “Doctor” John said he was guilty, before the trial even started, because he had a substance abuse issue. The ethic board needs to look into this man, and evaluate his license

[@joancormier8261]

He was held in solitary confinement in a prison where odinites worked. His family may have been threatened. He was not able to leave his cell he was shackled whenever he left!

[@elizabethgregory]

​@@jenniferferguson1517maybe you need looked into. Bc no he didn't!

[@elizabethgregory]

​@@joancormier8261no he wasnt! We know what side of the internet y'all have been on. Just sad

[@elizabethgregory]

Exactly right Jessica!

[@pamelamarcy2327]

Lauren, tremendous respect for you, your journalistic integrity and grit! Thank you for covering such a difficult trial. 😞

[@RedBone-q2v]

Journalistic integrity? She sided with RA early on and wrongly led people to her side of thinking. How is that impartial journalism? Her job as a journalist is to present the information and allow the viewers to decide. All of her listeners followed exactly what she wanted them to believe. People are jumping on board with her and commenting to try to get her to react or respond to their comments. Dr. John just explained the entire case. He has receipts to back up his hypothesis.

[@Su_aSponte]

@@pamelamarcy2327 she is a brave and strong woman. In this particular case, I may disagree with some of her point of view but her integrity and work ethic remain top notch.

[@andreavinson2129]

The common sense here is so refreshing. Thank you both. Let’s hope the jury has God and logic on their side ❤

[@bene6532]

Ironically, this jury's common sense is exactly why RA is about to be rightly acquitted.

[@Jonathen-k2o]

I really hope the jury gets this right. If they don’t it will be worse than OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony. This f guy, RA, describes everything from his clothes to his motive to how he killed them and it’s all CORRECT and there are people writing in here that they feel bad for HIM, WTF??????????

[@SMH-v1q]

@@bene6532He did it.

[@Su_aSponte]

@@bene6532 if God’s will is done he will be exonerated, unfortunately, I think that the cops here have put in quite a concerted effort to force their own will in this matter. Their efforts are paying off because win or lose, Allen has lost everything and a lot of people think that the case is closed. No justice for these beautiful young souls. No justice for Allen. Fortunately, Judgement day is gonna be epic and no one gets away with their crimes in the light of eternity. I pray that some measure of justice and the will of God will be done before that day when Christ will make all things just and new.

[@jeannemarie5908]

RA had a long history h/o depression, he was dependent on his wife. He wad incarcerated under circumstances which leave him with very little stimulation (call it safe keeping, call it isolation, call it solitary confinement, call it ‘the hole’) The environment was mentally unhealthy - most anyone in health care has been educated about how this circumstance will cause people to go ‘insane’ .. healthy people. Now put an already mentally unhealthy person in those circumstances; they are much more fragile .. OF COURSE, he would become psychotic. Yeah, not to mention the stimuli he WAS getting was incredibly damaging to his already low self esteem/knowledge of & confidence within his establish self identity. He was isolated (no longer had the support his wife provided & of which he was dependent on) those around him were calling him baby killer & telling him she should unalive himself (horrible for his fragile self esteem) CRACK psychotic break .. Haldol .. psyche slowly stabilizes and has stabilized within the damaging input while incarcerated .. now he starts confessing .. I call BS! Manchurian mind control. Abigail and Liberty deserve justice .. convicting RA will not provide them justice. I am sorry, but these children are not going to receive justice .. this is on LE & the judicial system in Indiana. Shameful, disgusting, discouraging, disappointing and incredibly SAD.

[@V.Oakley]

💯💯

[@atalantamountain]

As somebody who lives in a quite secular country in Europe, I sense something a little strange in the comments which say that those who don't think RA is quilty don't want justice for Abby and Libby. It seems to me that those who say so need somebody to blame, not so important if that person is the one who was the wrongdoer. I am not convinced that RA is quilty. If he is not, the real wrongdoer(s) is/are walking free. For me, that is very unsettling, even more if there was some kind of corruption going on. At times, this eagerness to get somebody to be punished reminds me of the Easter story and Matthew 27:23. I am not religious but I have read Bible since I was a child, because I read all the books we had, and we had a lot.

[@tj6930]

I love seeing Lauren and John like this! They are both working so hard in their respective field, and putting it together. The way Lauren drinks a ton of water while John talks, shows how hard she has worked. Thank you guys.something special here.❤❤

[@LurkinOnLivestream]

This is the absolute best coverage of this Trial. Kudos and thanks to Lauren and Dr. Mathias.

[@MKConnecticut]

Dr John gives SUCH GREAT INFO on this case. I’ve had extensive education in this area of study’s and I’m so RELIEVED to hear Dr John’s opinion. RA TOLD us who he is . Pre-Jesus, Post-Jesus . Pre-psychosis, DURING psychosis and post-psychosis. Dr John is Spot on

[@MinaBlak]

I too have had extensive education/experience in the field & I also respect & value Dr John's knowledge & opinion in general, however this is the very first time I happen to respectfully disagree with Dr John. Still, I like to hear other, different opinions & am always open to having my mind changed. I think we can all agree that this is a particularly horrific, polarising & frustrating case for everyone involved & the lack of transparency certainly doesn't help. May the REAL justice for those darling babygirls be served & their families be able to start healing! 🤍

[@justkiddin84]

They usually do tell us. But at least half of us don’t listen, or think it’s a joke.

[@beez991]

I agree 👍

[@MKConnecticut]

@@MinaBlak really! I’m interested - why do you disagree? Maybe I’m missing something.

[@emma_t_s]

It’s hard to believe anything a murder says. Criminals are self interested.

[@HumDingaDoozy]

I am of the belief his wife, daughter and his parents know he did this - they are are doing what they've always done - they've probably been covering for him his whole life collectively - whether its denial or not, but I believe they know. Thanks HEAPS Lauren and Dr John - your coverage has been stellar!!

[@Fosterdogsofmemphis]

They know, agree!

[@Fosterdogsofmemphis]

Of course he watches the crime scene photos. That is a dopamine surge for him.

[@justkiddin84]

I mean, you would, tell him to stop saying it on the phone you know is recorded, if you had the slightest doubt, right? It might not be that they always covered for him-this actually may be the only thing he has done they even know about. It’s a big nasty pill to swallow.

[@michellelee7230]

Yep, many family members of defends accused of horrific crimes double down and deny no matter how obvious it is that their family member is guilty. Chad Daybell’s kids, Chris Watts parents, Alex Murdaugh’s son and brothers, Scott Peterson’s parents and sister etc.

[@bene6532]

You have to believe that because you've given yourself no other alternatives to resolve the cognitive dissonance you're experiencing by watching a transparently innocent man be prosecuted.. Not only is there reasonable doubt every which way you look, there is really no reliable evidence at all linking RA to the crimes. The jury will agree.

[@NickiNickiNineDoor]

Dr John: a middle aged man with no history of sex addiction, pedophilia, domestic violence, or any other risk factors out of the blue decides to R and murder two young strangers in broad daylight, brutally murders them and then carries on like nothing happened - this is NOT the most parsimonious explanation. It really isn’t Occam’s razor. At all?

[@Acidandrain0]

He literally kept getting transferred bc of sexual harassment

[@NickiNickiNineDoor]

@ source?

[@Acidandrain0]

@@NickiNickiNineDoor his co worker at Walmart from 2010

[@tonyx2802]

Is this psychologist minimising psychological torture? And he didnt know that EVERYONE saw the 'bridge guy' video? If Allen is guilty there simply isnt enough evidence for me ...

[@punk.rock.hippie]

You are a logical thinker! There’s a whole lot of people out here who don’t see it this way and it’s mind blowing.

[@MarieZ17833]

The minimizing of years of solitary confinement because he had "contact" with people feels like an attempt to turn an eye. Then to use his suicide attempt and paint it as a "domestic incident for which he could have been arrested. The bend is a bit much.

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

I agree with you 💯.

[@jilllightle553]

In the end of this case, no matter how the Jury decides, Abby and Libby deserve justice. They were two beautiful girls. My heart and prayers are with the family.

[@jenniferferguson1517]

So true!

[@kristenpollock6134]

People are ridiculous… the phrase “better half” is just a sweet way for one spouse to recognize and introduce the other. It’s meant to be a complimentary acknowledgment of their loved one. People need to chill. You can totally say “better half”

[@kat4005]

@@kristenpollock6134 I agree!

[@janineleishman2897]

Everyone knew richard allen from the store where he worked yet no one who saw bridge guy thought he was that guy!

[@pringledingle3180]

Police showed Allen the clip of Bridge guy and asked him ' is this you?' He said ' If that video was taken by the girls - then No ' What kind of answer is that?!

[@jenniferferguson1517]

@@pringledingle3180 it’s a “you aren’t going to trap me” type of answer!

[@pringledingle3180]

It's a yes, or no question r@@jenniferferguson1517

[@TheSliverleaf]

I believe some did but they were told that he had been to the police and in time just about everyone in the town had been looked at. People think, ‘well ok if the police talked to you and you to them, than guess we are good’

[@Jonathen-k2o]

Who is EVERYONE????????? He did it. He said he did it and he explained how he did it and what he was wearing and when he did it. Everything is CORRECT WTF is wrong with you?????? Please I HOPE you don’t have kids. If you do I feel terrible for them.

[@Coffeedrinker291]

I personally think it’s possible that the confessions are coerced, but because the defense is not PERMITTED to use the defense they wanted to they have to use other means. That’s why I think there’s not as clear an explanation of the confessions..which isn’t right, if in fact they were coerced, for the jury to never even hear that theory.

[@sally180]

Respectfully disagree with Dr John. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for people to be VERY concerned with due process.

[@mmay6621]

We live in a time when you can’t even say “better half”. People are offended by everything. How ridiculous is the world? 😞

[@SRM2025]

I’d say it and not give the oppressors satisfaction of their want for oppression, free speech is so important. If people don’t like it that’s a THEIR problem. Speak your mind, Folks it’s 2024 not the witch hunt trials era. 🤗

[@jennifernutt1698]

I didnt realize using the term better half was not ok. That’s what I put for my husbands name for his number in my phone. Lol oops, not changing it

[@kenbrb6261]

I've heard more men call their wives their better half. Could be true. Ha.

[@robbiephillips5827]

Keep on saying Better Half! We all say that. If people don't like that I think they have issues

[@purpledaisy0865]

Perhaps people who want to be politically correct are simply being thoughtful and kind.

[@duckduckdeer]

Are you kidding me? John you said it’s a problem he had a “criminal record”… seconds after Lauren said the domestic call was for his own s-idal ideation! All the other stuff was taken from the things he said while psychotic, aka his worst fears!

[@karlaparkes3541]

Lauren he's your hunny you can call him your better half if you want to!

[@cindyalexander59]

He looks like William Shatner!

[@maireadnic8280]

Indeed! I call my partner “my better half” too. If people want to get upset by that, well then they can work away.

[@rhondawebb8333]

100%

[@td6460]

Crazy to see someone argue that being thrown in a hole for 13 months with no knowledge that you'll ever be released since you are in prison against every law on the books in this country isn't torture. Wild stuff. Dr. John seems to have his facts of this case all sorts of twisted as well.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

RA wasn’t in the hole.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Appreciate you wildly beyond this 'token', Lauren - best by far reportage of the Closings, & wonderful convo w Dr Hidden. THX

[@racecars48]

First time viewer here. I'm loving Dr. John's assessment here of the confessions. Happy to see an educated person with common sense!

[@lesilmcguire4690]

Yes !!!

[@HumanimalChannel]

Welcome!!❤

[@sistadonka]

I really appreciate y'all publicly sharing your opinions as much as you have with those of us who cannot afford extra monthly fees. I wish we lived in a world where those who do not agree with us did not react with vitriol, but here we are. It's good for people to listen to opposing points of view and discuss/debate, and I hope that at some point we can get back to doing so.

[@luckewoman0348]

Im so glad I got the time to watch this. Loved Dr. John's thoughts on this topic. Always gets me thinking!

[@maraujo600]

If i was on the jury, I'd probably vote not guilty. I don't trust the confession, and without that, there's really no evidence. I appreciate, but dont agree with, Dr Johns perspective. I feel his bias coming through. For every "expert" there is another "expert" with an opposite point of view. So as long as there are two opposing "expert" points of view that means their opinion is just that, an opinion, not fact. In our court system, when 2 things are opposing but equal, then the point has to go to the defense. Justice isn't just for victims. it's for everyone. Prosecuting an innocent man is a bigger injustice to society than murder. Do I think there was some great plot to railroad RA? idk. I think it may be a case of a societal sacrafical lamb. To quench the communities' calls for blood, somebody had to go down. As the years went by and the thirst for blood grew, the police become less and less concerned with solid proof and more concerned with someone, anyone paying. FYI, my husband worked for years as a prison guard in a super max prison, and people in solitary often get books, tvs art supplies, etc. There's a big difference in the psychology between doing time in solitary when you're convicted and when you're only a suspect.

[@gojobuddy]

He even identified the knife/box cutter he took from CVS. If someone tells you 70 times they did something. Believe them!

[@ediesaffron3593]

Bingo!! Also the judge’s refusal to allow the defense to present other suspects means no one even knows about people like Elvis Fields confessed!

[@JY-tq8dr]

Maraujo600-I agree with you. Well said.

[@Lizzie-h3j]

The fact people think he's innocent when he was confessing before his "phsycosis", knew things only the murderer knew. Are we supposed to belive there was 2 identically dressed, in RAs words, were on that trail at the same time yet nobody else saw the 2nd man. He knew things only the killer would know. I can't deal with the people screaming he's innocent they're like the people supporting Wade Wilson even though the evidence was all there 🙄. If his mother and wife had listened to him and done the right thing the poor families wouldn't have to be forced to go through this again! If he walks he won't be around for long with any luck. ​@@gojobuddy

[@michellelegall5287]

@@maraujo600 I totally agree. Dr. John has an opinion and that’s what we all have. Mine is that the state has not proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I have many doubts in such a shoddy investigation and case after 7 long years.

[@BCBA-Lady]

Please don't minimize the torturous effects of solitary confinement by saying that “I’m sure he felt he was tortured”. Anyone would feel tortured being isolated for 120 months.. the science indicates that as human beings, more than two weeks is inhumane. The occasional phone call and visit from a therapist would not be enough for most people for that length of time. BTW, i'm not suggesting he is innocent. I really don't know. But he was tortured before the trial. What happened to being innocent before proven guilty

[@michellelee7230]

The whole innocent before being proven guilty is a legal principal meant for the mindset of the jury and also a legal precedent for defendants in relation to situations to their assets being confiscated by the government. Clearly LE do not think he is innocent since they indicted him and the facts of the crime RA was accused rises to a level where he is not offered bond before the trial because he’s a threat to the public and he’s placed in solitary for his own safety since this high profile, horrific crime against 2 underaged girls puts a target on RA in the eyes of fellow prisoners. BK has been in solitary with no bond since his arrest for the Moscow, ID college student murders for almost 2yrs now and he’s fine. This is protocol for these kind of horrific, senseless violent crimes. And we, the public, are safer for it.

[@gojobuddy]

Didn’t he see his family on Sunday’s?

[@HumanimalChannel]

I could have written that myself, lol. t​@@michellelee7230

[@jeanie8831]

Thank you, Dr. John. It must be difficult to express exactly your opinion and not cross your professional lines. Thank you for all you share with us.

[@nikkililesjanowicz4770]

If it’s the bullet is the only thing that ties him to the crime scene, no dna, no blood, even though you can’t see the blood, you can see it with luminal, there’s nothing to tie him at all, I believe that the bullet was planted because they could not find the true bridge guy! I believe he was tortured into making all those confessions, trust me, I know. They had a timeline and they had to find somebody to be the bridge guy.!

[@punk.rock.hippie]

100% agree with you. Logic!

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

💯 agree with you.

[@glenf6639]

This case is NOT Chad Daybell Lori Vallow. Dr. John…. What if Richard Allen is innocent? Was his treatment what we want for all of us potentially accused?

[@raineydaze215]

I agree, if you go to some You Tube channels done by Lawyers their lives are filled with folks who have dropped their memberships to this channel because of the bias. I was shocked Dr John was stating things about the confessions BEFORE the trial started. Where did he get his information? I respect his profession and education but have to wonder if he’s become jaded.

[@charlyanne9925]

@@raineydaze215no he’s just got logic and common sense. Allen is bridge guy.

[@GinGer550]

So true. I watched the chad DayBell stuff, but they are out of their league on this trial. And Dr. John’s pretrial commentary with all the Greek references to Delphi was just ridiculous. He tries to influence the audience by harkening back to other things. he’s learned that may impress them. And sitting in front of the big huge bookshelf - listen to me because I’ve read all these books​​⁠@@raineydaze215

[@HumanimalChannel]

Did you campaign for Vallow to not wait behind bars? Why is she different. Had she be found guilty in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt already? Nope. So? She is DIFFERENT huh? What about the mam that stabbed those obnoxious teens in the river. He spent two years in custody awaiting trial. Did you campaign for him to be free awaiting trial? No?

[@LuColdFactsB]

@@charlyanne9925I believe so, too

[@kristi1604]

Hi Lauren and Dr. John. I’m new to this channel and I just want to tell you how much I’ve enjoyed watching and listening to you both the last couple of weeks. Lauren, thank you for your dedication and coverage. I hope you never take the negative and rude comments personally. You have without a doubt been non biased in your reporting. You also have such a kind, gentle spirit that I admire very much. I look forward to watching many more trials in the future. Thank you again!

[@hannahrussell4006]

Thank you guys for all the work and reporting and ACCURATE information!!! I’m 100% with you it’s overwhelming obvious he is guilty and the fact that so many refuse to believe it is terrifying.

[@MKConnecticut]

Mayo Angelou said “when someone tells you who they are- BEIEVE THEM “

[@mikeandmals]

💯

[@bethnorrod5942]

Some people would rather believe conspiracy theories than what's right in front of them and choose not to listen to anything that might alter their opinion.

[@mdyercheck]

@@MKConnecticut absolutely!

[@Teriandjacobworld]

I will now!! Justice for Libby and Abby ⚖️🙏

[@NotJessH]

“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time” is the actual quote from Maya Angelou. Close enough, op.

[@janineleishman2897]

Dr. wala was so wrong to be part of fb forums on a case she was treating the main suspect. Her evidence should not have been allowed to be heard by the jury !

[@sianbeecham2825]

Huge problem. Dr Wala was on so may U tube channels, in contact with Gray Hughes.This is a farce.

[@P.psychonaut]

@@janineleishman2897 say it louder !!

[@jeanie8831]

I'm curious but lacking exactly what that involved, can't say one way or another.

[@BleakPod]

Really? You can be a treating provider and also have interest in true crime. You really think that providers taking care of criminals Don’t watch documentaries or look at other media about their cases? What they do on their own personal time is their own personal business. The richard Allen fan club is disgusting

[@victoriousgavi7736]

Why don’t I believe RA when he confesses? Because the State has lost all credibility thanks to Judge Gull and law enforcement. That just leaves me to believe the defense…. 😞

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

But judge Gull isn’t confessing. RA is.

[@victoriousgavi7736]

@@HiddenTrueCrime True…but the defense attorneys aren’t RA either. They seem to be more credible than Judge Gull, the prosecution, law enforcement and RA. The defense attorneys say he was mistreated and delusional so as a juror I’d have to give that more weight. Now if Gull seemed to be fair, or I heard Dr John’s analysis…I’d have a different opinion-if I was a juror. Judge Gull didn’t allow any 3rd culprit evidence in from the defense-the defense might have had alternative theories of the crime but we don’t know (if the claims were ridiculous assertions, the jury would see through them, so why exclude them?); she ruled in favor of the prosecution 90% of the time (I’m just left to assume reports are correct here); she wouldn’t give the defense the same time to present their case (or anything close to the same amount time she gave the prosecution); she wouldn’t allow video accommodations for a defense witness who couldn’t travel; she fired RA’s defense attorneys in a private, closed-door, shady fashion; she limited public access to the trial in every way she possibly could (which totally flies in the face of the American open-court Justice system); she even told witnesses not to speak into the microphone so the gallery wouldn’t be able to hear testimony. Judge C Gull has infused suspicion into every fiber of this trial… All that said, not believing RA’s confession because I don’t believe law enforcement and the court were acting in a fair and honest manner… well…the irony isn’t lost on me. Dr John has certainly given me pause to think about it though. Thank you Hidden True Crime for your dedication and insights. Genuinely, I’m at a conscious pause at this point.

[@michelleceleste3509]

Why is the prison psychologist not being investigated? Surely it is unethical to be in delphi chatrooms while treating Richard Allen?

[@jp642]

He talked about that and said that her role with him allowed her to be able to do that without issue. Seems odd to me though.

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

She did lose that contract

[@evjay2103]

Dr John should do a show on confirmation bias. Why did people not believe Richard Allen when he told us who he was from the beginning

[@jeanie8831]

It's a strange term to me.

[@niklplatd]

DR John should have been the prosecutor for the state!!

[@wall-e7179]

The prosecutor shouldn't need replaced by anyone if the case is solid

[@mercedesmarie21]

1:37:55 People in America have very good reason to fear being implicated of crimes they didn’t commit, I don’t think it is paranoia or irrational at all. I’m not saying RA isn’t guilty, there’s a lot of reason to believe he is. I just don’t think it’s fair to imply that it’s an irrational fear when it very much happens in marginalized communities. For these communities RA is not the poster child because they’ve seen it happen time and time again. I’m glad the public is skeptical, and I’m glad the pressure is being put on such a botched investigation. I really really hope RA is the guy, because if he isn’t this is such a huge loss and betrayal in trust of LE and the state. I usually love this channel so I hope they read this comment. Not the best take

[@michelletruelove7783]

You're absolutely correct it happens all the time. Folks should pray they never find themselves falsely accused and treated unfairly. I assure they'd understand the point of due process if so. I believe he's guilty as well. Still I'd like it to stick if he's convicted!

[@sharonmolnar8905]

Such amazing, objective work. So above and beyond any other crime reporting/analysis. Kudos.

[@TheScratchingKiwi]

The detectives mucked up the investigation, the prison mucked up the remand before trial (I believe on purpose), the Prosecution had a messy argument built on little hard evidence. That is open season for the Defence. If RA is guilty, he cannot be convicted because of all of those mistakes. The system's failure is a failure of justice regardless of the result. This is terrible for the victims' families. I believe that at least one of the Detectives involved in interviewing RA should be investigated for bad conduct. I also believe that one of those involved in this crime is dead. The story of what happened, went down with Ron Logan. There's a good chance Kegan Kline the catfisher was involved too... but am I right in thinking he never testified at this trial?

[@CWebb-yr7vc]

I have always low key thought KK had a hand in this. There are just wayyy too many coincidences with Anthony Shots, father being near the crime scene and his propensity towards child p@rn.

[@ediesaffron3593]

Agreed!! Also concerning that the defense had a strategy but the judge wouldn’t let it in. Theres’s 2 people who confessed who imo are much more likely to have done this yet they aren’t allowed to present any information about them or have them testify…..Elvis Fields 👀

[@sianbeecham2825]

2:32:17 💯

[@michelletruelove7783]

He did not testify and was ruled out ( pretty thoroughly regardless of the other messy handling) of being involved here which is why defense didn't bring him up. They wouldn't of missed the opportunity to either if i were incorrect. He gad great intelligent counsel despite the other boggled details here. It is also why he wasn't called to testify. No connection to Allen and only a catfish chat that connected him to one of the girls

[@ediesaffron3593]

@@michelletruelove7783 the Judge wouldn’t allow the defense to mention any details about third party suspects & wouldn’t allow them to testify …

[@joancormier8261]

The defense was blocked from presenting their theories.

[@elizabethsmith2344]

Because they’re fantastical..what is this, 1980’s NYC? Those murders weren’t satanists and these weren’t odinists.

[@ediesaffron3593]

@@elizabethsmith2344what about the people like Elvis Fields who literally confessed but the judge wouldn’t allow that information in?

[@4spikers]

Yes, the defence theory of third-party guilt was not allowed by Judge Gull....I hope when he appeals he gets a new trial and the real killers are convicted.

[@jeanie8831]

Not enough logical truth.

[@angie-kbm]

I love how you both light up seeing and talking to each other. And how much yall respect each other ❤ I see u 🤭

[@Live-n-luv]

They are a great team! 💪😁❤

[@angie-kbm]

@@Live-n-luv absolutely

[@JerryWilkerson-q2x]

Allowing her husband to reason what happened and validates his thoughts with understanding face She's wonderful also

[@jjgidds]

RA was at the bridge on the day and at around the time of the murders, he was wearing a similar outfit to BG, ballistics on the round match his gun, the van is a detail ONLY the killer would know and RA mentioned it in his confession, he confessed dozens of times, he’s a sex addict, he very much resembles the BG on the video. Thus he’s guilty. The rest of this junk is just fluff to confuse the jurors.

[@audreydaleski1067]

He also knew about the girls' throats. No one other than the killer knew that.

[@bundydata]

And he's short, only 4 or 5 percent of US men are that short. He was stocky and his torso was strong. if you take out all the variables of men in Delphi that's 1400 minus all elderly all kids under 11, Black males, dark haired guys, tall guys, guys at work.. in and on soo say 500 times percentage 4.5 is 22 guys.

[@EmotionalLemonade]

@@audreydaleski1067 he had discovery byt the tine he made those confessions he literally had photos.

[@EmotionalLemonade]

the ballistics round didn't "match" his gun they can't say match as this type of evidence isn't allowed in a few states and they have to limit what they can say. There were also 3 other guns which couldn't be rulled out. No one has ever said he was a sex addict and his wife denies such. there is no evidence of anything like that in his search history. If you are legally unable to decide on your medication because you're in such poor mental health do you think his confessions are valid?

[@DanaHodgin]

The 3 witnesses said RA was Bridge Guy

[@annettefabiano3578]

There's a lot of evidence pointing to Richard Allen, not to mention he was the only man there during that timeline. Do you you suppose some people want to protect him because he's a short, emotionally needy little guy? Somehow, some people feel sorry for little men. He's still perfectly capable of doing this crime even if he's a little guy. Testosterone and a gun can be pretty convincing.

[@SuVo-ne3nr]

Coercing someone to confess to a crime is abominable!

[@elizabethsmith2344]

Except everyone was coercing him to NOT confess and he kept doing it

[@SuVo-ne3nr]

@ nope! They put him into that prison to isolate and brake him…and they succeeded. They wanted him to babble on. They did not want to help him. In 13 months he was allowed only two visits from his wife. Had they placed him in a normal jail they’d never get what they wanted. There is zero gain in false confession. This is NOT justice for the girls. Appalling example of the American justice system.

[@jimnasium7700]

It's clearly a tactic that has worked for them in the past.

[@JerryWilkerson-q2x]

Dr.john super smart omg we need more of that

[@leighterry2277]

​@elizabethsmith2344 Excellent point about people coercing RA to not confess. He tried repeatedly to unburden himself & was silenced.

[@Jammn126]

For me, there are too many unanswered questions.

[@WVgrl59]

Fish are dormant in February and if he were a fisherman he would know. I live on a lake and you don't go look at the fish in February! Lauren is right, he was fishing but not for fish, but fishing for victims

[@WVgrl59]

He went fishing but not for fish, is what Lauren is saying

[@Nora-xk5tf]

Another True Crime YT Podcaster did a bridge walk. She confirmed, Yes, surprisingly, Yes. 60' 65' down you can clearly see Fish. You can see everything even Rocks. (Food for thought) Plus 24/7 lights 13 months paper clothes, no pillow, no mattress, paper blanket. Wasn't when most psychotic did I hear R Allen was placed in a type dog cage to be moved in the prison to meet his Prison appointed Therapist. In court it was stated once with Therapist he was made to stay inside this human dog cage. I see reasonable doubt for many, many reasons.

[@EgyptianDarling]

​@Nora-xk5tf He also said he was looking at the stock ticker, however his phone never connected to the cell towers while he was at the trail, brought up in the trial.

[@glenf6639]

How can ANY of you think that this is the way we treat people?

[@stephanypasnin1474]

Imagine if he was allowed to confess. There might not be a trial. Putting these families through all this again is terrible. Kathy and his mother are just as bad as him.

[@1014-m6s]

I’m curious as to why his attorneys didn’t move him in the direction of a plea bargain seeing as he was so insistent on confessing.

[@jeanie8831]

​@@1014-m6sSo true.

[@itsgood-vd7lu]

The sloppy investigation causes reasonable doubt for me. Thats unfortunate and i could not convict him from the information ive seen online. It would have been helpful had the judge not kept so much information hidden from the public.

[@katalinhayes5330]

Agreed, I wouldn't be able to convict him, purely on the dodgy police work and bias of the judge. Transparency is essential for justice to be just. As an Australian, I am appalled if this is what America holds up as their justice system

[@Kathie4]

I agree with you, completely. I still have many unanswered questions, too.

[@kimJohnson-fr6pz]

@@katalinhayes5330unfortunately our justice system in the US desperately needs reforming

[@twinkletoes6290]

If I were on the jury, I could reasonably convict him. Some basic common sense and logic would allow me to do so. The defense talked a big game, but I was majorly disappointed in their performance, delivery and arguments throughout this trial. I would have no issues convincing RA. The defense did not cause reasonable doubt for me and in my opinion. And if I were on the jury, I’d be picking a part the defense arguments in deliberation.

[@jessicarinaldi2005]

As a jury, your responsibility is to determine whether the evidence presented by the prosecution satisfies the charged criminal offenses beyond a reasonable doubt. Meaning the prosecution must convince the jury that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence they presented at trial. The burden of proof rests solely on the prosecution. All the defense has to do is create possible doubt.. which they absolutely have done.. None of the evidence the prosecution presented is solid or even irrefutable. All they have is a confession... and the defence provided multiple scenarios/explanations for why people have given false confessions.. which creates doubt on the validity of the prosecutions only real piece of evidence. Btw I'm not saying this as someone who believes RA is innocent.. I do believe he could very possibly be guilty. But I absolutely would not be able to convict him based on the facts presented (my emotions and gut instinct aside). The unfortunate truth is that the prosecution failed to prove his guilt without a reasonable doubt..

[@SassySouthernSusan]

The original sketch was of a young man who looked nothing like RA

[@walkietalkie1666]

No. That was the second sketch. The first one is an amazing likeness!

[@2manyjules]

@@SassySouthernSusan Police Sketch Accuracy. Hard statistics are difficult to come by, but some research suggests that facial sketches or composite pictures of suspected criminals are useful less than 20% of the time. Other studies put the even lower - maybe as low as 8%

[@nicola7609]

​@@walkietalkie1666 I agree it looks like him, and like the video. But wow did 2nd sketch skew things !

[@jayboek2854]

Why didn't Allen see bridge guy?? 😂 Why? Because he is bridge guy. Its obvious.

[@Courtney-R]

Right!!! Like..map out your alibi bro…🤪

[@beez991]

Exactly 💯

[@kenbrb6261]

Never thought of that! True!

[@bene6532]

Allen is 5 foot 4 inches... Very obviously not bridge guy.

[@sparklylittlechicken]

I never considered this!!

[@MaddC]

While Dr Walla, may as a therapist be ethical to watch true crime, she still potentially tainted the main evidence against him, the confessions. It was totally inappropriate in this situation to share information with him that she had gathered, and also potentially influencing her own opinions and treatment of him, this is speculating but I would find it hard to believe that she wasn’t influenced in some way by her research and interest in the case, to what effect we will never know. There was a massive conflict as she wasn’t treating an ordinary person, but someone who is accused of a crime and awaiting trial. Also, would be interested to know what inside knowledge she was potentially sharing while participating in online discussions. I think it was the correct decision that she no longer treats people in that setting. Her lack of judgement on this undermines her testimony to me

[@BarryMcCockiner-em5sv]

Timeline alone locks in RA as BG.

[@michellelegall5287]

@@MaddC I agree, her behaviour and decisions were completely unprofessional

[@jeanie8831]

While what you say has merit, doctors watch filmed surgeries, they go to conferences, they constantly must renew their knowledge to keep their license. This discussion about Dr. Walla has no details, the full story of that is unknown. Therapists are also required to 'continue' their education to renew their license, as do social workers, as do nurses.

[@jeanie8831]

The only thing known about Dr. Walla is her testimony sitting quietly on the stand. There was no behavior presented. Likewise, there was no discussion of a decision.

[@MaddC]

@ Well, it was known that she followed the case and participated in online discussions on the case, which involved one of her patients. She did this before and during her time working with RA. She also discussed aspects of this with him, per her own testimony. At a minimum this was that he had people that supported him. She visited the ‘crime scene’ in terms of the bridge. I believe this is all known from her testimony but I could be wrong. I would struggle to find her credible on this basis, from the sheer bias potential this presents, she may not even being aware of this bias and it is based on her own actions. I personally would take her opinions and interpretations given in testimony with a pinch of salt. It just added to the general tone of unprofessional handling of many aspects of the case to me. Just my opinion and I appreciate we won’t all see things the same way. Edited to add: I’ve no reason to doubt her qualifications, or knowledge of her trade. I’ve just read your previous reply, I agree professional development is important. I think I’m more concerned about the ethics of researching and having what appears a great personal interest in this case, while also treating someone involved in it. There needs to professional boundaries and I think these were blurred in this situation.

[@RuthenicSundew]

I live not far from Delphi and have followed this case since the night the girls disappeared. I am just disgusted by this entire thing. I'm disgusted that mental health struggles are so heavily stigmatized. I am disgusted by the garbage mental health resources in the US. What would have happened if RA received the mental health care he has so desperately needed his entire life? I absolutely believe RA is guilty, but he is also a victim, and that is true of the majority of people that have been incarcerated. RA has likely received the most comprehensive mental health care he has ever had, but had to be sent to prison to get it. I am disgusted that no one is going to be held accountable for the fact that RA stated early on that he was there on the bridge and that information was mishandled. The family has suffered for years. The community is damaged. People's lives have been destroyed by accusations. I am disgusted by RAs former employers who *knew* RA was sexually harassing his co-workers, but instead of doing something about it, they just transferred him to another store. I am disgusted by the prison system. You can't expect people who are treated like animals to act better than animals. I am disgusted that faith has been lost in LE and the judicial system because so many mistakes were made. There are no winners here. Even if convicted, everyone still loses.

[@beez991]

His wife drinking every night with her alcoholic husband sure didn't help. His wife and mother are enablers.

[@sarabara29]

​@@beez991Didn't he go to rehab right after they were found? (Probably in a panic). If that's indeed true, would bear on Kathy potentially having knowledge or at least suspicions having lived with him so long. Curious

[@AuntBee185]

One of the legit podcasters said you can see the fish from the bridge,she saw them.He didn’t say he was fishing ,he said he was watching the fish.

[@BleakPod]

This is such a moot point. It really doesn’t matter. Like with all the other evidence, him saying he’s watching fish has absolutely no bearing on the case. This is not some mic drop moment. Richard Allen is the perpetrator. The female fan club is getting to be a bit disgusting. I Get that having some crazy conspiracy is more entertaining for the public, but sadly this is your garden variety sexually motivated crime. Tale as old as time.

[@michelletruelove7783]

Still makes no sense to watch from a rickety bridge that far away rather than by the water on solid ground if that's why you're there. Just because you can see an entire store doesn't mean you'd stand n the back if a shirt you desire is located up front. What's the thing that makes most sense is the point of the analogy. We need to stop stretching all the things we know due to emotions running high he certainly wasn't treated fair but it doesn't make him innocent

[@AuntBee185]

@@michelletruelove7783 yes, I agree, the analogy is good ,if your talking about john’s analogy. There is another fact I believe John got wrong ,police were called to his home for dv. They were not.They were called for RA wanting to unalive himself.Just need to get facts right.That’s all I’m sayin. If your building a theory that he is a perp,lying and DV help, but this was misinformation.I still hold true to beyond a reasonable doubt,He probably did it but I could not convict him with so little proof.I could not make a decision with out more info.This is a mess. The LE surely messed things up and it’s so hard to get answers.

[@AuntBee185]

@@michelletruelove7783 Stretching? Noting he could see the fish from the bridge. He was truthful in that. Also John said the police were called to RA’s home for Dv.They were not. RA was wanting to unalive himself is why. I’m not taking a side here.Emotional responses are in these two lectures about my comment.

[@gleannemarie]

This case has been so exhausting - I can't imagine how hard it has been on you, Lauren. Thanks to the fabulous Matthias family for all their sacrifices.

[@IGGinAZ]

Respectfully, the Innocence Project has shown that false confessions really happen sometimes.

[@malinoscarsson9362]

It absolutely happens. Not all confessions are false though, it usually happens during long, aggressive interrogations though where the suspect feels threatened and exhausted. And you cannot convict someone on a confession alone, you need evidence that support the confession. And in this case they do.

[@Drew-w3p]

@@malinoscarsson9362 RA held it together during his interrogation, and only confessed when he clearly lost his mind. How are people isolating his confessions from all the delusioned thinking, the false confessions of molesting sister and daughter, and last but not least the times he recanted his “confessions”? It’s just unbelievable. If a person walked up to you on the street with shit smeared all over their face, and masturbating for all to see… you wouldn’t believe a word out of their mouth and you’d immediately think they were crazy. 😮 Listen I think RA is likely the suspect but I don’t believe the state has proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@JamieBB1753]

Dr John!!! I am shocked! I don't know if ra is innocent or guilty, but your argument of torture vs. solitary is illogical, you're over simplifying it to make your point. Don't do that!

[@PollinatorR]

I don't understand. If he were so racked with guilt, why not confess at all in five years, why wait until he was put in prison? Why aren't there any friends or acquaintances to testify to behaviour changes after the tragedy? No witnesses from either side to talk about those five years? It somehow doesn't make sense to me.

[@hippiebits2071]

I would imagine he realized that admitting he had done this was not only going to destroy his life but that of his family as well.

[@bene6532]

I can assure you that whoever did that to those girls is not and never will be racked with guilt... It is a literal reptilian monster that did this -- incapable of guilt.. The monster just isn't Richard Allen though..

[@sarabara29]

And why not get rid of the pew pew, Carhartt jacket, and change his appearance dramatically? Scrub google, and leave Delphi to start over in another state?

[@michellelee7230]

@@sarabara29he probably didn’t get rid of those items because they were trophies. He didn’t know about the video right away so he had no reason to change his appearance in the days after the crime. He did change it on paper with the fishing license paperwork he filled out a few weeks after the crime, changing his height a few inches. When he’d consistently filled out his actual height on past forms he filled out. Other than that, I’m not sure how a guy like him could’ve drastically changed how he looked immediately after the crime aside from growing a long beard or shaving clean. He may have even done that but no one around him at the time remembers when he’s arrested 5yrs later

[@ferrari251]

@@michellelee7230you’re guessing. This whole case is guessing m. That’s the point. You can’t convict innocent people in the United States without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@lindam3515]

It sounds more like protective custody and suicide watch rather than solitary confinement

[@jeanie8831]

It was.

[@AMFibers]

I'm a podcast listener and this episode was just uploaded. I have to say, John comes off as biased in this one. I'm not someone who's out here going "there's no evidence at all to say the Allen did it," but I do have doubt. And, in my opinion, from what I've seen, there's an argument that Allen's constitutional rights were violated. Yes, you lose constitutional rights when you murder someone, but Allen was innocent until the verdict came back. So he had those rights and they were arguably violated. John is right that not all evidence is equal, but I disagree with how he weighs things. I don't have much trust in the testimony of the warden or the guards. No one is ever going to testify that they tortured someone or violated their constitutional rights. And if they were going to say that, the prosecution wouldn't call them. To me, holding an innocent person in prison with zero privacy (24 hour surveillance even in the bathroom), constant light, and (likely) frequent taunting and harassment from inmates/guards is a form of torture. And at the time those things happened, Allen was innocent. Also, I am curious about the dependent personality disorder. Is it possible that Allen confessed to his wife because he wanted the torture to end? And he thought if he confessed it would be over? I understand he wants to please her, but maybe his desire to end the torture superseded that. I'm curious as to John's thoughts on that. I also wish the false memory theory had been explored more. I think the defense put a lot into the Odenism theory and then couldn't make it so they scrambled to come up with something else. But I have heard from other attorneys that they've had cases where the state convinces their client that they committed a crime that they absolutely didn't do. We know that false memories can be created and that's why we changed how we interview children who have potentially been abused. But we didn't change interrogation tactics. I wasn't on the jury. I wasn't in trial. I don't know what happened to those girls and I can't know because I wasn't there. I do know that from what I've seen, I have a lot of questions. (This is also why prosecutors don't generally want attorneys on the jury, we always see doubt lol)

[@MizTrial]

This case reminds me of the lady that Lauren interviewed a few months ago who said she & 2 friends were SA victims of the man who became a serial killer. She described complete compliance to the man, who controlled the actions of 3 girls with only a knife. She was terrified and described moving in and out of her presence of mind. The man had them undressed and she redressed but none of the 3 ran or screamed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@nicelydone4846]

I can think of several murders and SA where 3 or 4 girls/women were controlled by one man with gun or knife

[@Gaiartemis]

Lauren out of all the youtubers.. you have done the best. Thank you! Another thing.. I know why it is at times difficult to watch you and John. You guys are so on point that I get so frustrated when others don't see it. Dr. John your analysis always amazing, correct and again OBVIOUS to me. Great job.

[@sbaumgartner9848]

I think Lauren ( and Dr John) have excelled in their own ways and being married have made an amazing team on this case. However I think as a defence lawyer who now has a YT channel, Andrea Buchart is so good she’d make any prosecutor really nervous!

[@JulieAnne-7]

@@sbaumgartner9848 I’ve heard she asks people to buy her merchandise. That’s not a good idea.

[@anythingforselenas806]

Yess! Love her!

[@MyAngels5]

I agree, I've listened to others, and although some are great and bring different talents, Lauren did nail this case. Just like she usually does.

[@Alexander-fw7st]

Unfortunately, I feel they are showing bias. Disappointing.

[@julieoshea7360]

Dr John you have lost all credibility with me over Richard Allen's treatment . He was injected with Halidol & he was feigning ? Which is it ? It can't be both He was kept in a prison not a jail, in solitary confinement for 13 months. Innocent until proven guilty You have proved yourself to be a a doctor of the State not a doctor of prople. Toe the line & stick to the state's narrative. Unethical

[@Grizzly_Lover]

This was an excellent podcast. Thank you Dr John! You echoed alot of what I was thinking and more. Justice for Abby and Libby. Rest in peace beautiful and brave souls❤❤❤❤

[@jessyjeantruecrime]

Sorry, one more thing - The wife's denial is definitely not a new concept when it comes to girls (kids, victims) being assaulted. It happens all the time, and it's heartbreaking. The only thing stronger than love is denial when a loved one has done something unspeakable.

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

You are far better at twisting everything to make an innocent man look guilty than the prosecution was. The judge did everything she could to prevent RA from being able to defend himself and despite the defense not being aloud to present 90% of their case they still did better than the prosecution.

[@sashmo8]

RA is guilty

[@jeanie8831]

The jury disagrees with your opinion.

[@mjmichalson]

Though I have leaned not guilty I appreciated your analysis of the confessions, and it made me pause. When you said the defense has no theory of the case, that is absolutely not true, but unfortunately they were not allowed to present their theory at trial (Franks Motion). Also someone else confessed twice unprompted just after the murder. Why can’t we believe him? He was subpoenaed by the defense and didn’t show up. Also I’m stuck on how he killed both girls, with no screaming, and Abby was described as pristine with no blood smears. It seems too organized if a crime scene for it to be “I got scared and panicked and killed them.”

[@JustAnEarthboundMisfit]

I hope Indiana Law Enforcement is being investigated. They made this case so much more complicated by their incompetence, treatment of witnesses, and arrogance. Justice for Abby and Libby. I seriously doubt anyone in this little town will ever willingly come forward with information again.

[@Ewa-uh8vh]

Thanks!

[@SuperMelrose1]

Whether it’s Richard Allen or not, I don’t like it that they say Bridge Guy forces them down the hill. Because unless we (those of us not in court) don’t know something, we still aren’t totally sure the murderer IS bridge guy. It’s misleading.

[@marilyn8225]

There was nobody else on the bridge at that point.. Also if RA is innocent he should have seen the girls and the murdere, concisering the timeline.

[@HumanimalChannel]

I'm holding back.

[@HumanimalChannel]

We do know. We know that Bridge Guy ordered the girls off the Bridge. And now, YOU go look up FELONY MURDER and relate it to that act of kidnapping. K?

[@michelletruelove7783]

I can't grasp this thought process. I get not knowing if RA is BG. I get doubt about the pic enhancement. I do not understand after these smart girls felt instincts n recorded this man telling them to go down the hill, Where they were found dead, within minutes of that recording as recorded by cell data, that we dont know BG is the killer.. How in the world does that make more sense to anyone? I'm serious I'd love to understand that thought process

[@With_a_Grain_of_Salt]

Complete speculation: Someone could control two people who care about each other by saying, “if you run/ if you scream, I will kill your friend.”

[@Tarlu17]

Absolutely, I’ve always felt like that was a very reasonable explanation given how much they cared about each other. That would have been so so brave, and such an act of love, and seems very in line with who they were.

[@kc-lp6wg]

Sad, terrifying and true.

[@glenf6639]

And you are saying that one person is still controlling the other as they slit the others throat and they don’t scream or do anything????!!!!!! No.

[@1014-m6s]

@@glenf6639I would expect the remaining girl, who had just been kidnapped and sexually assaulted at gunpoint, now just watching her friend’s throat slit….would have been frozen in horror.

[@With_a_Grain_of_Salt]

Some people would scream. Others wouldn’t. It isn’t just fight or flight. It can be fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. Freeze and fawn wouldn’t involve screaming and fight and flight don’t have to. People respond differently.

[@janeferguson1246]

Emotional and biased on one side of the duo.

[@debbiehartman534]

THANK YOU JOHN, AT LAST SOMEONE SPEAKING SENSE. This guy is so guilty and his lawyers are making him out to be this little wilting flower.

[@77atbirth]

Exactly

[@LuColdFactsB]

@@77atbirthagreed!

[@lovelybeautynails4261]

Ive never understood how defence lawyers can defend criminals, it's sick

[@Su_aSponte]

@@debbiehartman534 wouldn’t it be cool if we all could be held in a one person cell for 13 months? Lololol

[@debbiehartman534]

@Su_aSponte we are not alll murderers but if you would like to join Ricky you are welcome too.

[@BeckyRodriguez-db3gt]

I really wish they would have allowed the Odinsism into the case.

[@janine9871]

Not sure how 13 months of solitary confinement is not torture.

[@CathTG18]

because it wasn’t solitary confinement as a punishment. It was protective custody. No torture, but RA may feel as if it was. FACT is, nobody exhausted RH w interrogation, or withholding food, or phone calls, reading materials…. that’s PCustody!!

[@tangledcharlotte]

@@CathTG18 Changing the label doesn't change the material conditions. Even the state witness admitted the reason for someone being on the unit didn't change how they were treated.

[@Alexander-fw7st]

He was housed with the worst of the worst and treated as such.

[@CathTG18]

@ if he did this crime - RA belongs with the worst of the worst, right? There is discrepancy about the privileges he received. There were daily psychologist visits, the ability to use the phone and call home to ConFeSS, he was offered a tablet, had reading materials and human contact. Torture is when isolated from human beings. Torture is hours and hours of interrogation resulting in confession. Did that happen? NO

[@backwoodsgeorgiagirl5594]

He was not solitary. He saw and interacted with others daily.

[@mwillis7791]

If he is a violent sexual deviant and sex addict then would it be uncommon for us to not have heard from anyone in his past?

[@sara_387]

BTK was almost 30 when he first offended, and he was very disturbed.

[@jenniferferguson1517]

@@sara_387 he was 28, almost half the age of RA when this crime was committed, and BTK did his that crime in a home in the middle of the night, not in the middle of the day in a public place.

[@sara_387]

@@jenniferferguson1517 Almost 29. He took on a family of 4. But my point was you can be quite disturbed in your thinking/fantasies and not act on those until there was possibly life events that triggered this offending.

[@sara_387]

@@jenniferferguson1517 Col. Russell Williams was over 40 when he started offending.

[@jeanie8831]

The first time would be the first anyone heard of their crime.

[@NicolaMaxwell]

Something about this couple creeps me out. Neither understand the legal system or human compassion, if this man had people in his care that's terrifying to me. Lauren you won't get on MSM because you joined the echo chamber.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Dr John Mathias works within the legal system.he does know the legal system. Thankyou and Goodnight

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

Neither of them is a lawyer and they don’t pretend to be.

[@jenniferferguson1517]

I know! And the scariest thing is one of them is a psychologist! How scared is that ?!?!

[@NicolaMaxwell]

@jenniferferguson1517 It's horrifying to me.

[@rickolinger9586]

From no more evidence than what they have I believe Rihard Allen will be released and if you wanna actually be constructive and truthful they'll need to return to the drawing room and go from point A too Point B and begin all over again..and forced to turn the entire case over the Federal Bureau of Investigation the GBI and the FBI Special Response Task Team and find the actual person responsible for these crimes of Libby and Abby and get an honest resolution for the Justice in this case 🙏 🤲 This will eventually happen I can assure you

[@andykopsova]

"The Board of Psychological Examiners cares about the mental and behavioral health of our clients, patients, and communities. The Board understands the risks associated with psychological practice and we work to hold our profession accountable to the public by establishing education, training and practice standards and providing our licensees with the guidance needed to practice according to the law, professional ethics, and clinical best practices. The Board is guided by the values of efficiency, transparency, fairness, and equity in service of the public’s interest." struggling to see how this is upholding these righteous ideals.

[@V.Oakley]

Imagine how the jurors are going to feel when they do get out of this and find out all the information that was not given to them in order to make a true and just verdict? I would be so mad if i came out of this and found out about the Odin 3rd party culprit defense and the judge would not allow the defense to even put 9n a defence for their client.