Deltarune Analysis - More Reasons Kris (Probably) Isn't the Knight

[@Dorked]

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[@chuckles2364]

Can't wait for more! Also, 5:59, I came to the conclusion that Alvin was 100% the knight on my own (a bold claim with such little evidence for sure) so I'm super surprised anyone else thought that too.

[@ericanightshade]

Ralsei being manifested by the fake horns makes SO much sense to me now. Nice vid!

[@Meddy54]

I’m curious…could the dog be the night?😂I know this sounds crazy but the dog caused the traffic jam and was within the library chapter 1 it’s crazy but possible

[@diamondmemer9754]

Kris is definetly the knight Not the one who created the chapter 1 dark world maybe, but definetly the knight

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

Congrats 💕

[@konbkob4156]

Another potential argument for Kris not being the Knight is that whoever the Knight is must've been strong enough to overthrow the other kings to place the Spade one in charge, and in the battle with him he nearly kills Kris which makes it unlikely that they can singlehandedly knock out every other king.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, it depends a lot on how involved the knight was in card kingdom in terms of overthrowing the other kings.

[@mecburnablasta6811]

I suspect that there will be an encounter with The Knight at some point before Chapter 7.

[@lukematzner7996]

Well, technically in the snow grave route, Kris singlehandly fights Spamton, and while they needed Noelle to do the finishing blow, Kris still took Spamton down to less than 10% of their max HP, which would be more than enough to heat the other kings. Not to mention, suddenly pulled out skills that they never showed having before like a healing move and X slash. So who knows what Kris can or can’t beat.

[@Kyumifun]

@@lukematzner7996 i mean they have got stronger in chapter 2 In chapter 1 to say the least their stats were lower

[@kyleb7974]

@@lukematzner7996 To be fair. That's when the Player had control of Kris. The Player controlling the party could thrash Spamton Neo and King, but when they aren't controlling Kris they got thrashed by the King and couldn't even react in time to dodge their spade attack in the cutscene. Same with Spamton in the neutral route where they're thrashed in a cutscene, even if you get as strong as 160 HP for Kris up to that point.

[@elizabeth_x51]

Another reason why Ralsei isn't an object on Kris's person is that he actually stays with Susie after sending them to gather the other items in the unused classroom

[@namehere98]

What if susie is an object 🤨🤨🤨 (this is a joke if you cant tell)

[@arohamumberry7324]

I- dang. That's a really good point.. cant argue with that

[@thesandguardianofthesand]

Maybe Susie owns a doll that looks like Ralsei? Or even a pin or something she hides-

[@arohamumberry7324]

@@thesandguardianofthesand Omg- I love that theory. In the past Susie stole Kris's horn headband and maybe that's how Ralsei exists

[@Kyumifun]

Ralsei also was forced ro go with Susie in chapter 2 leaving Kris alone

[@natashasaravia3137]

I feel like pointing out how distinct the fountain created by Kris is from the fountain recorded by Queen. Kris's comes in distinct stages: a pillar of light, a pouring of smoke, and then darkness. Cyber World's Fountain: One pillar of light surrounded by twin beams of smoke, all at once. These creations are pretty distinct, in ways that don't feel accidental. Possibly a hint that the Knight who created Cyber World is different than Kris. I'll admit it's not conclusive, and there's a variety of possible reasons why they re distinct, including location but still.

[@Dorked]

That's actually a really interesting observation! :) Good catch.

[@EpicFailureFive]

I think this could just be explained by the fountains looking different in the dark world versus the light world before the dark subsumes the room.

[@arceuse1999]

Reading this made me think that maybe, in one of the chapters, we may see another character creating a dark fountain, probably Noelle in the church to heal her father or something like that. Just imagine, in the middle of the act, Rudy starts to cough uncontrollably, Noelle feels desperate, picks up the knife used to cut the fruits for the famed church's fruit juice and creates a dark fountain.

[@ChaosAdventureMan]

@@arceuse1999 that actually makes sense, since at one point of the game it's practically inevitable that we're going to fight "the angel" and what better place to fight it than the church? (and another piece of evidence that the angel might be a bossfight is the currently unused 'holy' attack type)

[@Silly_Sulky_Seli]

they might be different because it'd be unique to each creator or! because this is Kris's first attempt while the Knight already perfected theirs because, compairing them Kris's needs a build up and then looks a tad sloppy and the other fountains like the recorded one are perfectly balanced

[@Nova-uq9nw]

I think the reason why Kris has their own save in Chapter 2 when you don’t link a Chapter 1 save is that, without having linked the saves, they simply went through Chapter 1 by themselves, without you in control. It’s like when you go to sleep at the beginning of a chapter, except it’s a whole chapter you’re skipping, not just the start of one.

[@Dorked]

Well, the thing is, that shows up specifically with a linked save. :o The footage I showed used my linked chapter 2 save! The only time Kris' name won't show up at the start of chapter 2 is if the .ini file has something else written for that slot (e.g. if you delete a save in that slot instead of starting fresh, it will say [EMPTY] instead).

[@MattBnl2ih]

Well then Kris sucks at this, they didn’t even get any armour besides amber cards!

[@X-Ter]

@@MattBnl2ih nor any weapons

[@MattBnl2ih]

@@X-Ter what a damn cheapskate

[@cake4964]

@@MattBnl2ih LMAO YOUR NAME AND THIS COMMENT IS SO FUNNY

[@FaeSparrow]

There is a scene where Queen says "Now that the Knight is gone and the fountain is open, let's create a new one". With the mention of the fountain it sounds as if she is talking about creating a new fountain, but I believe she is talking about creating a new knight. By using Kris as a 'Pawn' (to stick to the chess references), she can 'send them to the end of the chess board and turn the pawn into a knight' (according to the rules of chess). My theory is that: Kris is not the original Knight, but a temporary replacement until the original knight appears at the end of the game again. Edit to add: Father Alvin would fit perfectly to the role of the 'Bishop', so I believe he will take that part in a later chapter. Having a Bishop be the Knight seems... a bit odd.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, I think Kris isn't THE Knight but could've ended up being *a* knight in a sense. We'll have to see what comes of this, though. It's possible the Roaring Knight still made a fountain separate from Kris doing one in their house. Idk how to feel about the Alvin theory either. It's interesting, but I do agree there are other roles he could fill.

[@martinat3884]

@@Dorked That's how I feel. I think Kris will be called the knight in chapter 3 since they made the fountain, and Susie will be surprised, but then Ralsei will come in and say that Kris is not the knight, and while he won't directly say who the knight is, he'll clear Kris' name. If I were to take a guess when we'll find out who the knight is, I'd say it'd be chapter 5 or 6.

[@mmgmagic]

Something that I feel a lot of people overlook in discussion with Kris is their design. Both their Dark and Light World designs would seem like perfect red herrings that suggest them to be the villain. Their light world form looks a lot like Chara, as many have pointed out. Now, whether or not you believe Chara is evil or not, you can't deny that many associate them with evil. As so, making Kris look like an antagonist from the previous game would obviously sound some alarms in people's head. As for their Dark World design, they are quite literally portrayed as a knight by their armour and use of his sword. As so, when thinking about who the knight is, people would obviously flock to the character who is a knight. All this to say, Toby is a smart and subtle man. If he really wanted Kris to be the villain, he wouldn't have used such obvious design elements to do so. If anything, Toby using those design elements to subvert expectations seems much more in tune with his writing.

[@Dorked]

YEAH. Their design is definitely red-herring worthy, especially with how the fandom just assumes Chara = ebil demon.

[@Kyumifun]

Kris also use a shield when they are defending Not like this adds much to your statement

[@PrivateDaisy]

@Kund wait, wait, wait. Where is it text confirming Flowey left the Underground? I know about Winter alarm clock, but where does it say that?

[@PrivateDaisy]

@Kund i know but I don't see sentence suggesting that. Sorry if I am being dumb.

[@PrivateDaisy]

@Kund thats.... just too weird. I think that Frisk could easily visit the Underground in secret.

[@nicegoatdoctor8224]

I feel like you’re one of the only reasonable Deltarune theorists/interpreters I’ve seen on KZbin.

[@Dorked]

Ah, thanks! There are some other cool folks out there, but I do feel like a lot of DR speculation is very clickbaity overall.

[@nicegoatdoctor8224]

@@Dorked That and very surface level! You do a really good job at taking a deeper look at things and finding a more complicated understanding of them!

[@ana7icia]

helo wareoio

[@nicegoatdoctor8224]

@@ana7icia Wah

[@sunny0042]

i like to believe that Kris openned the dark fountain because they wanted to hang out with their friends and that they slashed the tires so that Toriel and Undyne would join.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, that's basically what I'm leaning towards at this time. Escapism being a main motivator.

[@ElectricBarrier]

I prefer if it's more complicated than that, something they don't want to get their friends involved in and don't think they would understand. An instance of being willing to get their hands dirty for an important goal. There's already evidence that Kris is the type who might do this kind of thing, not involving their friends in something dangerous, with how they try to go off and deal with Spamton on their own. Susie even delivers a very anime-y line about warning her and Ralsei next time they're gonna go do something stupid. To me this is foreshadowing what Kris is doing, cuz it seems like a prime set-up for Kris learning to share the burden with their friends and let them in more. I suppose the "wants more adventures" idea could still be that, motivated less by escapism for themself, and more for their other friends. It did come after Susie was talking like she already wanted to see Ralsei and Lancer again, after all.

[@sunny0042]

@@ElectricBarrier you know, i think you could be onto something here. it's true that Kris probably isn't the type of person to not be completely open with their friends about some things because they care about them perhaps the next chapters will also be about Kris learning to rely more on their friends, which i would like to see, because i like Kris and want to learn more about them

[@ElectricBarrier]

@@sunny0042 Kris just strikes me as the type who would say, verbatim, "I didn't wanna get you involved." when the others find out why they've been making dark fountains and ask why they didn't tell anyone.

[@abcdef-ms9mb]

My first red flag for the theory of Kris being the Knight which I noticed mere minutes after finishing chapter 2 for the first time was... If they went to insane lengths to hide their fountain opening in chapter 1 (eating the entire pie, breaking smoothly into the library and leaving no traces of it etc, all while moving like a slug), why the hell would they do it right in front of us in chapter 2?!

[@Dorked]

YES! Exactly. Why hide it then but not now? Plus the sluggish movements would make it very difficult for them to break in and out of the library and pull off such a feat.

[@abcdef-ms9mb]

@@Dorked I feel like Toby purposefully wrote some parts of the plot and some characters this way. To make the people who just gloss over the game and the people who look deeper into it come not just to different conclusions, but to opposing ones. Kris being the Knight is the clearest example of it I think.

[@mouthlesshater]

@@Dorked I do believe Kris will sometimes move more fluidly, which would allow for them to break in. Then again, it still may not have been Kris.

[@diamondmemer9754]

​@@Dorkedthey weren't hiding, they made the fountain where they hoped it wouldn't be found The pie was to have more energy

[@joeyrony2887]

9:00 OR the annoying dog (toby fox) is the knight and mad the traffic jam as a distraction. after all we know the annoying dog is the most powerful being in all of the Deltarune/Undertale universe considering it Created Undertale as implied by a room you unlock for dodging the credits.

[@Dorked]

Dog Knight is a super fun idea. x) If I ever do a video on possible other knight candidates, I may mention it.

[@lordspagetti9261]

İ think this would make sense as in chapter 1 if you tried to go the computer lab toby dog is working on chapter 2 which is ironic because chapter 2 takes place in there which is a foreshadowing we didn't see coming at all Also if the chapter dark fountains were to open at different locations of the town why do i feel like one of the fountains after the third one will be located in the upper floor of asgore's flower shop with the 7 flowers İt just looks eerie and mysterious and will be of more plot relevancy more then just infinite (gaster) eggs

[@Dorked]

@@lordspagetti9261 I think any location w/ double doors is fair game, and that includes the flower shop, the hospital, and ice-e's. Also the church.

[@lordspagetti9261]

@@Dorked lol the ice-e chapter would be fun though we never saw the inside of the church yet like the computer lab so they might be the place for chapter 4

[@thelolfaceguy]

​@@lordspagetti9261 but toby (in the beginning of ch2) is doing donuts in the street with his little tikes car in the light world. Undyne in the traffic says " I was directing traffic as normal when a little white dog (toby) drove one of those toy cars into the street and started doing donuts!"

[@user-gr9kh2jv2f]

I feel the actual subversion of chapter 2’s ending is going to be that the fountain doesn’t actually open properly and that there is a missing requirement we don’t have yet

[@yeeclaw5976]

i thought it may turn out to just be a dream kris had & didnt actually happen

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Kris hit the gas line and passed out

[@connorschultz380]

@@TheSkyGuy77 that is a fun joke

[@Yodah97]

That's possible, but from a meta perspective, it'd be so damn unsatisfying.

[@Door227]

It would make sense considering it looks different than other fountains

[@matti.8465]

Not much to say on the video itself (other than that it was awesome), but I'm so glad I'm not the only one who believes Father Alvin could be the Knight. For one, he's one of the new lightner characters (and those are more likely to play a role on DR's story compared to the UT cameos), he also represents the Angel-workshipping religion, which gives him a motive. Father Alvin could be trying to cause the Roaring to bring in the "Angel's Heaven", which he might see as a sort of rapture. I doubt it's Gaster simply because he seems to be exclusively tied to the hidden bosses storyline, it's more likely that the Knight is someone we've already seen or heard of.

[@Dorked]

Father Alvin is one of the more popular candidates and would be an interesting choice. While I personally favor Papyrus for a few reasons, he'd still be a sensible enough person. I've also seen people consider the Vessel and Dess as well.

[@matti.8465]

@@Dorked I suppose anything could go with Papyrus, since we know nothing about this version of the character. I'm not sure about Dess though, since the Knight has to move around the Light World and she'd have to be pretty sneaky to avoid being seen by anyone for multiple years. Same with the Vessel.

[@konbkob4156]

@@matti.8465 You don't actually have to be in the Light World to open a fountain since Berdly nearly creates one himself. But I can see Father Alvin, Papyrus, Gaster, Dess, Undyne, Kris, and the Annoying Dog all being the Knight. There was even a post about how Snowdrake can be the Roaring Knight so it probably can't be 100% proven

[@matti.8465]

@@konbkob4156 You can open a dark fountain from inside a dark world, but so far it doesn't look like you can enter a dark world if there's no dark fountain.

[@auramaster2068]

I mean maybe? I think thats just kind of silly though.

[@shadowshearth6068]

Personally, I think that the Knight is our original creation. We're asked to name the creation, then provide our REAL name. The scientist that speaks with us even has special dialogue in the event that we named the creation after ourselves. I also think that it's pretty clear that the Knight is "human" like Kris... He's immensely averse to any information about humans and makes the distinction that the Knight and the closet fits a "person" and not specifically a "monster". We know based on other dialogue surrounding us that Kris is the only human in the monsters presence, despite them seeming to know what humans are in a broader sense. As for the closet representing another person and not just Birdly, I think it's important to remember that Toby's writing style blatantly enjoys providing information that has double meanings - the same way that the "Underground will go empty" whether you choose a genocide or a pacifist route.

[@Dorked]

I think the knight being the vessel is definitely possible, and it'd work in a "you made your own enemy" kinda way, which woulda been cool.

[@shadowshearth6068]

@@Dorked I think so too... Especially in the event that you have chosen a "Snowgrave" route for your soul. Having Susie, Kris, and Noelle turn into the eventual "heroes" that force your soul out of Kris' body and into the "vessel" that we created, forcing you have to face a mirror of yourself embodied, would be very poetic and make it exceptionally clear that we have always been the one with the ultimate choice. In the event that we have done only a "pacifist" route, eventually being depicted as a "Knight in Shining Armor" for the Darkner world could also function as a good story plot that there was never really any villains... Only a test of your resolve.

[@martinat3884]

@@Dorked I also think it'd be cool if the knight acted differently based on the personality traits you gave it. For example, if you gave it a caring personality, it'd have a non-violent reason for making the fountains, but if you give it negative personality traits, it'll make them have cruel or selfish reasons for it.

[@zekeram129]

-Monsters are people too though- I do agree on The Knight being a human, though. Queen specifically mentions Determination in reference to a Dark Fountain's creation, something the game has been _very_ careful not to throw around lightly. If I remember correctly, Ralsei's SOUL explanation speech was altered in development to remove the word "determines". Additionally, when Berdly tries to create a Dark Fountain, he takes a whole anime powerup sequence, with ample opportunity for Ralsei to intervene. Kris, meanwhile, takes less than a second. It's been expressed that human SOULs have several hundred times the amount of Determination that monsters have, if Asriel's barrier-breaking scene has an amount of monster SOULs accurate to the Underground's population, so it makes sense in practice for a human to just be better at it. It'd be a whole lot harder for the Knight to stab and run if they have to charge up for a solid minute.

[@shadowshearth6068]

@@zekeram129 Monsters are people! I just found it peculiar that they used "person" and not "someone" as that seems to be the more common vernacular Toby uses when talking about an unknown entity. Similar to what you pointed out, Toby is very particular about wording choices and what exactly is used where in order to make things clear on closer inspection. I probably should have clarified that I have many reasons to believe the Knight is human, including the "determination" point that you made!

[@thesadinsomniac]

I think the closet is Queen's Mansion. As we see in the game, the giant GigaQueen bot is stored in the middle of it. "A large person" could be referring to the GigaQueen Mech.

[@deezgaming]

thats a really good idea??

[@gundamwarrior]

I don't think Kris is the Knight for a lot of reasons. Considering Queen could use any lightner she wanted to who has a strong will, monster or human. So fountain creation isn't limited to just Kris or humans alone which is enough reason to give credence to Kris not being the Knight. Kris only did it in the house most likely because he just learned how to do it because of Queen. Thats at least my take on it. As far as the tire incident goes...well Kris did probably slash the tires. Kris may have been out at the car. After all, Toriel and Susie didn't finish baking the pie after she went to get the bag of sugar out of the car. And when she came back her reaction was a bit off and decided to finish the pie later which is already a weird thing to decide. So I imagine Kris might've actually gone out to the car to clean the sugar bag out and done the tire slashing at the same time. He was out there quite a long time.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, I personally think Kris slashed the tires as well, but I also wouldn't put it past Toby to pull a "surprise, there WAS someone else out there, huhuhu" twist like he pulled the pie twist. My personal take is still that they did it to make sure that Toriel would ask Susie to stay the knight... which is really reckless on their part, but also fits their delinquent persona.

[@The_True_Mx_Pink]

Weirdly, though, Toriel already had the sugar. One of the dialogue options confirm this, if you talk to Susie and Toriel before you go into the bathroom, Susie'll say "She's sneaking sugar right out of the bag". Toriel knew something, and used an excuse to get out of the house.

[@gus9797]

Alvin's full sentence from the cemetery scene was "Is it right for this hammer to do some epic trolling" and proceeded to use it to destroy Toriel's tires Anyway thanks for putting Alvin there when comparing Berdly's height now I'm like 80% sure he's the Knight since the game would say "large person" unless it were an adult and Undyne, Toriel, and Asgore can't fit and Alphys is not a large person

[@trashlambo]

One thing I haven't seen referenced anywhere while talking about Kris and the knight is Jevil's dialogue after defeating or pacifying him. Regardless of whichever route you take to battle him, Jevil refers to the knight and Kris seperately. Because of that dialogue, I do not believe Kris is the knight, as well as several other points brought up in this video, and others. And quite frankly, I'm not changing my mindset until further evidence is presented in future chapters. After all, toby's main thing with making games thus far has been subverting expectations, and with chapter 2's ending, I am certain that he wanted to fake us out. Besides, the whole argument with Kris being the knight because he seemingly created a dark world completely falls flat when you consider the whole reason why Queen kidnapped Noell in the first place: because anyone with enough determination can create a dark world. You see this begin to happen with Burghley until Ralsei stops him. Ralsei seemed confused and a little upset when Burghley tried to create a dark world, which wouldn't make sense if he were incapable of doing so in the first place. But how Ralsei would know how a dark world is created in the first place is... extremely vague at best, as far as I'm aware. With Toby Fox being himself, I doubt we'll have solid answers until more chapters come out, so whoever winds up being the knight is anyone's guess, realistically...

[@Dorked]

That's also a great point, especially in light of the fact that Jevil also mentions Queen on the FIGHT path.

[@SkyNinjaDelta]

Y'know, it's entirely possible Asgore's the Knight. I have several reasons to believe this. A: Asgore's life is absolute he[ck] at this point: losing his job as a police chief, Sans c[L]ucking him, bestie at bedrest, etc. B: The description is literally "a large person could fit inside"; both Rudy and Undyne (in Undertale) describe him as "big guy", and his largeness is commonly indicated. C: Asgore has knight-like armor in Undertale, and his most impressive feat in said game was... driving his blade into the ground, destroying the MERCY option. Perhaps during Asgore's investigation for Dess, he found out about the Dark Worlds, found an escape similar to Kris and Susie, and wishes to bring that hope to everyone. But that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY- (P.S: This could be wrong, we cannot TRULY read Toby's endgame.)

[@theyellow432]

That would break Asgore morals, why would him make fountain on kris's school? Like in Undertale, he kills the humans childs but he deeply feels guilt about it, why would him put innocent childs, and his own son on dangerous situations?

[@benjaminfricke4791]

I just realized: shouldn’t it be impossible for The Knight to LEAVE Dark Worlds seemingly at will? The only ways we can do that are by sealing a fountain or using Castle Town’s weird light-from-above exit circle, which seems to be unique to that location thus far. Perhaps the Knight has never actually properly “entered” a Dark World. Maybe they just set everything up as necessary in the room they make it in and then leave before the fountain finishes forming.

[@connorschultz380]

Possibly Ralsei always knew how to leave a darkworld at will, he/she ~~I'm very lost on that front~~ may have just really wanted us to seal the other fountain

[@TheYeetedMeat]

@@connorschultz380 it’s repeatedly stated that ralsei is a prince. Male.

[@SollidnitrogeN]

I have a feeling that the being which put us in Kris' body was this world's version of Chara. The Japanese translation uses a very particular tone for the last 3 sentences that's used in Undertale for Chara, and no other character. I also think it makes sense, given that the world of Deltarune acts as an inverse or alternative to that of Undertale in a lot of ways. It would be fitting for Chara to be a subversion as well. Since, in Undertale, we name them. And in Deltarune, they would be naming us.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, it's entirely possible that Chara is involved in some manner. I just hope that if that's the case, they don't end up purely evil.

[@auramaster2068]

I dont think so, Chara wouldnt really have any reason to do this given the context of Deltarune. Chara is probably just a normal human if they do exist in Deltarune, since Chara would have never died.

[@ghengiroo4143]

I think if Chara was involved in Deltarune, they’d either act the way they would before their death or would be an amalgamation of sorts of their post-pacifist and post-genocide personalities. If the latter, then perhaps the Chara in Deltarune wants to gain power like Geno!Chara but wants to gain it through friendship or something (this is just an example).

[@ElectricBarrier]

Kris is pretty obviously deltarune's version of Chara, though. I mean just look at them. More like Chara+Frisk, actually, they exhibit a lot of both's qualities and traits. Further, doesn't really make sense for that one to be involved since like other responses said, they'd just be a normal person anyway. There is reason to believe it would be UT's Chara, though. The message written in their style in the files of undertale after a patch, one that gave more lines about "Suzy" and made Gaster info about to be found without file editing if I recall, indicates they might be up to something outside of UT's world. The narration style is so similar that I've seen some use it as evidence AGAINST the NarraChara theory, but I see it as a hint they might be narrating again. Which Chara we're talking about, original(the combined Asriel-Chara soul, taken from the moment right after Asriel died?), Post-Geno, or Post-Pacifist is yet to become at all clear. Less so than whether or not they're involved at all. I don't think it'd be any kind of combination of the latter two like Gengiroo said simply cuz I don't see why it would be.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Imagine if the darkness through the door Kris left open spreads to the rest of the town & everyone in the town falls into the new dark world except Nappstablook because when the darkness knocked, he closed the blinds & ignored it.

[@RaphielShiraha64]

THANK YOU SO MUCH i hate when people mention Kris is the knight but all they do is mention the obvious and when i argument they're like "WelL Is JUSt YouR TheoRy" yeah because they aren't doing a theory either (sarcasm). Not to mention this is Toby Fox were talking about, he would not do something so obvious like that for a important plot point.

[@Dorked]

If Kris was the knight, I think Toby woulda saved it for MUCH later. But the timing here is just so suspicious, since Queen explained any lightner could make a fountain.

[@RaphielShiraha64]

@@Dorked Very true.

[@dhararry7929]

Also, the Cyberworld was clearly meant to have Noelle enter it. The mouse puzzles are composed of mice that sometimes have no effect on the puzzle, because the actual solution is to jump really high. Who else would that apply to? And Queen seems to be a representation of Noelle's mom, like how she's fixated on her specifically. I mean, she tells Kris that he's basically the perfect peon because of how silent and obediant they are, but she only wants Noelle. She says she wants Noelle because she's strong, but she wasn't talking about her abillity to create fountains since any Lightner can do that. And in the end, when Noelle finally takes a stand against her, she actually backs down.

[@MasterSquirrel993]

Hot take: People are _way_ too quick to jump to pinning Kris as the villain. Like, I’ll fully admit: After seeing that ending, my first thought was that they were the Knight, too. But practically within the day, after looking back over everything, there’s _far_ too many inconsistencies for that to be make sense as we know Kris now (so glad you mentioned Spamton’s comment about the Knight, that’s one of the most damning pieces of evidence, coupled with that he doesn’t know Kris’s name until you agree to meet him during a normal route). And from a meta perspective: Why would Toby reveal that we’ve been playing as the current antagonist of the game at the end of Chapter _Two?_ It’d leave us waiting for the other shoe to drop for the rest of the game; I’m sorry, but that’d literally just be bad writing. Just like Chapter 1, Toby’s whipped up an ending that seems black and white on paper, its intentions crystal clear, but upon closer analysis paints a picture that’s far more complex and, dare I say, far more _interesting_ that what our initial conclusions lead us to believe. And that’s why I’m shocked the fans aren’t being more skeptical about Kris’s actions this time around. Even more than Chapter 1, we’re really starting to get to know their character, and all signs point to them being a troubled kid (likely even Deltarune’s incarnation of Chara) who wants the freedom to truly interact with their new friends, and isn’t thinking about the consequences these reckless, potentially dangerous actions entail (though like you said, Ralsei’s own motivations are a bit sketchy on their own). But no, they have to be evil, or possessed by _”Chara”_ whenever they act weird (seriously, not even the Knight, but “Chara?” Excuse me?). Despite everything, despite the themes of both Undertale and Deltarune, everything just has to be boiled down to good vs evil. The good guys vs the bad guys. God forbid we play as a complicated protagonist. Because we ourselves could never be the source of Kris’s corruption. Right…?

[@Dorked]

People really do love to act like Kris is either evil or some other force is behind it. ._. It happens with a lot of Snowgrave fanworks where it's like "hehehe evil Kris is an abusive person" and ignoring the clearest distinction between Kris and us in the entire game.

[@MasterSquirrel993]

@@Dorked This exactly. I just don’t understand why the general fandom is so intent on simplifying one of the most unique character dynamics we’ve ever had…! :< I mean hell, it’s literally _us._ This is the perfect time for self-insert fanfiction, thought people would be all over that shit xD

[@auramaster2068]

Kris doesn't HAVE to be a villain to be the knight, neither does the knight have to be the villain if they're a different character.

[@MasterSquirrel993]

​@@auramaster2068 I think that's perfectly fair. While we're on the topic, I also think that the Knight is also likely not as malicious as we've been lead to believe thus far (have a completely unfounded headcanon about who they are that revolves around that interpretation). Sadly, for some reason either Kris or the Knight always has to be that "irredeemable force of evil." And if not them, some third party is brought in to fill those shoes. At the end of the day, the whole thing is just plain ridiculous to me; Toby might not be perfect, but he sure as heck knows how to write good antagonists.

[@toolazytorenamemyself]

At first I was suspicious of Kris, but honestly. I don't think Kris is the villain, especially when you put it in the perspective of toby. Further more, someone pointed out Kris "rips" out their soul before using the fountain. He likely didn't have determination because of that. So there's a chance we're being thrown for a loop into believing Kris is infact the knight but in reality they're actually more than likely innocent with the evidence through out chapter 1 and 2. I don't think I'll ever assume Kris is the knight with what we've seen thus far. If anything I'm rooting for them and their quest to become free. If we the player are given the choice to give them their freedom, my choice is clear as day.

[@nocturnemusique]

Ralsei is presumed to be a green crayon in the light world, which went missing at some point. Taking this into account, it’s possible that Ralsei has actually met Kris before the events of Chapter 1 (which would explain why he knows Kris’s name without any input from anyone else). The fact that Kris appears to be scared of the dark world at the start of Ch.1, and of the bunker in Ch.2, could potentially mean that they (and maybe Ralsei) were involved in some kind of incident in the past whilst exploring a previous dark world. This would align with the sequences in Chapters 1 and 2 where Ralsei asks Kris to imagine what Susie is doing at that point, in order to divert the attention of whatever is possessing Kris. It’s possible that Ralsei and Kris have their own hidden agenda, one that they must keep secret so that the thing possessing Kris doesn’t rebel against them. Of course this is all speculation, but I think it’s a decent idea.

[@andrew_cunningham]

I don't like how this interpretation devolves into a second-by-second Ace Attorney crimescene analysis once you require the fountain to have been made while Noelle and Berdley were already in the room. Hiding in the closet (for some unknown reason), sneaking out behind the two monsters like they're playing Metal Gear, creating the fountain in such a way that the aforementioned two monsters are somehow absorbed before turning their heads to look, then fleeing the scene just a second before the traffic jam formed by pure luck. It's incredibly janky, and implies that Noelle and Berdley were specifically targeted by the Knight (otherwise why camp out in the closet?) while Kris and Susie's involvement was unplanned (nobody else in the light world knew Noelle had invited them to study). It also means the classroom fountain was created with a different MO than the library one- it was just opened in an empty room and left there, versus what you're saying was basically a targeted heist in chapter 2. Overall, I think the extent to which this version of events complicates matters and relies on coincidence outweighs both the timing of Ralsei's appearance and the open books.

[@Dorked]

Hands too hurt to give a thorough reply- but I do still think the Ralsei detail is still worth noting because of his motivations and it opens plotholes if it existed since the previous night. Ultimately, I think even if it's not the precise scenario outlined, there's still room to doubt Kris made that particular fountain. I could see a grounds for Berdly and Noelle being targeted, tho, if we assume the Roaring Knight is a more malicious actor who wasn't thrilled w/ card kingdom's fountain being sealed. But ultimately it's too early in the game to really know what Toby has in store.

[@andrew_cunningham]

@@Dorked Sorry about your hands, I won't be offended if you don't reply further. But I can think of two explanations off the top of my head for why Ralsei shows up when he did. One is that he withheld the truth (I'm not in the "Ralsei is the villain" crowd or anything, but he's clearly hiding some of his motivations), and the other is that he sensed lightners entering the fountain rather than the fountain itself. Idea one isn't particularly strong, and idea two even less so, but they don't need to be. Point is, we don't immediately hit a plothole if the fountain was made the prior night. And I still don't see why the Knight would target Noelle and Berdley, even under the assumptions you just outlined. They had no more relevance to the events of chapter 1 than Temmie and Jockington, and if the Knight wanted to keep the fountains from being sealed, deliberately importing lightners into the dark world is the single most counterproductive thing they could do. The only motivation I could see is if their intent was similar to Queen's: tricking one of the lightners into causing the Roaring by creating a fountain in the dark world. This, however, still doesn't explain why the Knight was waiting in the closet for Noelle and Berdley in particular.

[@Minefan200]

@@andrew_cunningham If you don't mind, I'd like to pull in some points in favor of it being made on that day, since I find the first point interesting. Queen had mentioned in her monologue that the fountain was made on that day ("Today, It Deigned To Create This World."). Queen's a laptop, she has an internal clock, so we already have an established timeframe of anywhere between 00:00 on that day to the afternoon when Berdly and Noelle visited the library. Here, we run into a few possibilities, some of the ones I thought of are: - It was made during very early morning under the cover of darkness (Like 3 AM or some shit) - It was made during the morning, when Kris and the others were already in class. - The culprit was waiting in the computer room closet until the afternoon, when Noelle and Berdly arrived, they struck. The first idea *could* be viable. Depends on whether public buildings are locked up during the night. This is mostly a point of contention due to Hometown being small and crime activity being in the negatives. Although, considering Asgore locked up Flower King while he's not there, safe to say public buildings could be locked after hours. Second idea is even more viable. The library is open, people are preoccupied with their daily routines, free real-estate. Although, someone would've probably seen if somebody just went into the computer room and only coming out after two other people went in. Third idea, I don't really need to tell about, I think. For now, it looks just as likely as the second idea. How the culprit went about it, either just knocking Noelle and Berdly out or letting the darkness miasma cover their escape is up in the air. Although, Queen also provides support for this idea as her first line is "Hell Of A Study Session". Queen saw the fountain being made, so she presumably still remembers things that the laptop's facecam saw. If Berdly and Noelle instantly dropped into Cyber City, Queen would have no context of their plans prior to falling. She is a computer, but she doesn't know everything.

[@queen-of-trash]

Food for thought: Kris may act differently than themselves when they rip out their soul, not because they’re possessed, but because beings without souls are just different. Sorta like flowey and asriel being the same but different (although I could be misremembering UT lore). So the decision to rip out the soul is Kris’ however afterwards they act differently, maybe not as a completely different character but different nonetheless. Or maybe not, nothing is confirmed. (Did any of this make sense?)

[@我妻由乃-v5q]

That makes sense, does Kris still possess a soul? If that was not the case, then he wouldn't feel empathy and could become a sort of second flowey.

[@kevinm5940]

About that unused intro: it says the Knight would briefly appear at the end, and the melody there is similar to the "Nightmare Knight" track Toby Fox made years ago, possibly implying that he might repurpose that melody. It also frames the Knight as the final boss, which also make it unlikely that it's Kris.

[@mooseyluke]

I'd personally like to see the knight be a Grovyle like character. You think he's up to no good and can see him doing bad things, only to realise you've actually been lied to the entire time and he was trying to save the world

[@moon4236]

Ah, a fellow mystery dungeon fan

[@Musicalquest]

What has gotten me confused the most is that final berdly scene where he says something along the lines of “i’ll make a perfect world” and ralsei stops him as he raises his halberd

[@limesandlemons1367]

That's because any Lightner can make a dark world... Queen says this a few minutes before.

[@Greatwolfpearl123]

I love watching your videos, especially the analysis ones. You seem like such a smart person, so keep up the good work!

[@ElectricBarrier]

Much like the "Ralsei is evil" theories, I'm not opposed to "Kris is the Knight" because I wouldn't like it if they were. If Ralsei was evil he'd be the cutest villain ever and I would still love him. If Kris were the Knight I would assume it'd lead to a big anime-style "Gotta fight our misguided friend and knock some sense into them" stuff and Kris would not just like, die at the hands of their teammates or something in the end. I just think these both seem very unlikely and would not be good writing. Kris being the Knight especially because who in the hell writes a story like that? The Knight only really mentioned at the end of chapter 1 and really fully established as a mystery villain at the end of chapter 2, by telling us that it could be any lightner. Why would you establish your mystery and then reveal it's answer so early into the story? In addition to theorizing based on what "sounds the most interesting" instead of what actually makes sense, many UT/DR theorists seem to theorize without considering story structure at all.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, that's a big part of it. Like, sometimes revealing the mystery early can then shift things to "why dun it," like with Invincible, but I feel like there are way too many red herring elements. Kris' appearance, the timing of everything.

[@TheReddieRed]

Bro, the knight hiding in the damm closet is the W O R S T theory ever, bc why would the knight wait for berdly and noelle?

[@modernprometheus99]

It's because it's the only time frame that was possible, and the closet dialogue itself hinted at it. We don't know the knight's motives. Clearly, they were capable of escaping without Noelle and Berdly seeing them. Noelle and Berdly never told anyone, and so no one probably thought much of a mysterious figure just...walking out of a library.

[@HeronHero]

Queen also says "*today*, the knight deigned to create this world", so the timing couldn't have been earlier than after school on day 2, yet more evidence that Kris didn't make that fountain.

[@Victini7472]

On the topic of the Knight, and Toby's quote about the game's cut intro having "Everyone running up the staircase as the silhouettes of the bosses show up" , I noticed that the entrances to Jevil AND Spamton's "areas" both have long staircases leading *down* to them. (?????? and Mansion Basement, respectively) idk what to make of this, but i thought it was interesting to point out!

[@CreativelyJake]

if you ever do a video on knight candidates, there sure are a lot for alvin, with his involvement with the school, gerson potentially having explored dark worlds, and "THE HOLY" being fountain music but i think something interesting is that spamton says "speaking of communion..." when attempting to talk about the knight. what if he was going to say the knight has a communion? what if thats a light world communion... like the church?

[@OhsweetOhno]

I like to think that Kris isn’t the knight but only opened the dark fountain to get people to realize that something bad is happening with them (whole having a sound that, as we know, definitely isn’t theres thing). That and to potentially one up the knight and get one step ahead of them-seemingly bad actions, but good intentions.

[@springtrap1156]

I initially was thinking all the actions kris did at the end of chapter 2 were so he could warn the police about the situation, but I’m not entirely certain now.

[@D_YellowMadness]

It makes a lot of sense that the annoying dog is so heavily involved in Chapter 2 but not 1. He was seen using the computer lab in chapter 1 & would therefore be too busy to get involved but Chapter 2's dark world opened in the computer lab so even if he hadn't planned to be there, he could've just fallen in at some point when trying to return to his work.

[@cosmicsongbird3047]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[@Dorked]

Likewise to you as well! :)

[@Fexxis_]

Finally, people will understand.

[@Dorked]

Hopefully! I think I covered a lot of the big points I missed last time, and made some neat additional observations.

[@josephb.4640]

Hi, Dorked. Great video as always! Hope you had a great Christmas! I very interested by the idea of Papyrus being the Knight and was excited to see that you mentioned it in this video. I think I have a pretty solid theory for this, and since you have a very acute understanding of Papyrus's character, I'd like to share it with you! I hope this (lengthy) comment will be useful to you in the future. Without further ado... *The Knight is FREAKIN' PAPYRUS.* We never see him, even in Chapter 2, because he's busy creating dark worlds. True to the motif of bosses being themed after chess pieces, this fits with the Knight’s behavior in chess: always just out of reach of the pawn. Why would Papyrus open Dark Worlds, though? What are his motivations? In Undertale, his core motivation is to become a part of the Royal Guard, which doesn't exist in Deltarune. Instead, he plays out his fantasy of being a Royal Guard, or more generally, A KNIGHT, with his action figures in his room. In fact, he specifies that he plays with them in Undertale to re-enact battle scenes. Just like how Kris and Susie enjoy the toys in the old classroom coming to life in the Dark World, Papyrus probably has some friends in the form of the action figures in their Darkner forms. This explains why he stays inside all the time and has no friends in Deltarune, because he's busy in his own Dark World... Naturally, he wants more friends to join him, so he creates more Dark Fountains around the town in hopes that he can share this experience with others. After all, Papyrus has a very compassionate attitude in Undertale and generally performs deeds for the good of those around him, even though he is a bit misguided about it. That’s the purpose of his puzzles in Undertale, too. He wants to provide a fun obstacle course or “experience” for someone to participate in. Imagine how gleeful he would be to create a whole Dark World full of puzzles and other obstacles for his friends to experience! In Deltarune Chapter 2, there's a closet in the computer lab where the Dark World was created. The description says that "a large person could fit inside." We know that the Knight must've hid in the closet to create the Dark Fountain for the main protagonists without the library staff knowing and to fit in with the timing of the story. In Undertale, Papyrus says this about his own closet: "There are no skeletons in my closet, except for me sometimes!" Coincidence? I think NOT! Finally, this ties well into the overarching narrative of Deltarune and even the relationship between Deltarune and Undertale. Deltarune is supposed to be the inverse or rearranged version of Undertale. While Undertale took a deep dive into the character of Sans, I think that Deltarune will focus on Papyrus. Deltarune Sans seems rather normal, not teleporting or using any Gaster Blasters like he did in Undertale, possibly hinting at the fact that Papyrus is the one who inherited Gaster’s odd qualities, explaining how he was able to create the Dark Fountains in the first place. After all, Gaster’s Entry 17 seems to describe the Dark World. There are also seven action figures on Papyrus’s table in Undertale, perhaps reflecting the seven chapters of Deltarune and their respective antagonists. The stature of the main human protagonists seems to reflect this connection to Papyrus. Frisk and Chara are both roughly the height of Sans, while Kris is noticeably taller and thinner, perhaps pointing towards the taller, thinner skeleton brother. This also makes sense from a narrative perspective, and Toby could write a character arc connecting Kris's and Papyrus's shared loneliness and desire for more friends.

[@FuzzymothGames]

Dang that actually makes a lot of sense

[@FuzzymothGames]

Although, I just thought of something. The Roaring implies that there has to be three Dark Fountains to trigger it, but if Papyrus has a dark fountain in his room, then the roaring would have started by now due to there being 3 fountains at multiple times in the story.

[@kevinm5940]

2:48 the dogs in the prison say that they were attacked by some mysterious entity at night. This could just be a throwaway line though.

[@Youaveragecountryhumansfan]

Wait, I just had an idea while watching this… What if the knight is actually the vessel we make at the start of the game? They would probably have enough determination to open a dark world, seeing as they were going to be given a soul of determination. And it’s sort of like when you name Chara, you think this is for your player character only for it to be for an enemy (I’m not saying Chara is a villain, but it gives the same vibe.) There’s not a lot of evidence, but it’s something to consider!

[@sagacious03]

Big fan of your previous theory video, so I'm super excited for this one! Will probably comment more later! Thanks for uploading!

[@flowerboi16]

Personally, I think it's possible that the knight created the dark fountains long in advance, like before the events of chapter 1. Maybe the newer dark fountains we'll see in future chapters would be created between chapters 2-4.

[@Dorked]

I think the chapter 2 fountain had to have been made that day, but it's hard to say what the deal is with the supply closet or abandoned classroom.

[@flowerboi16]

@@Dorked Ya, also I think the knight could be that vessel we create at the beginning of chapter 1. Toby made that machine we also made in chapter 1 apart of chapter 2, so I think Toby could be planning something to do with the vessel, and making it the knight would (IMO) be the most likely thing to do with it. Which is why I always roll my eyes at the Ralsie is evil theory, the knight is clearly the main antagonist of the game.

[@flowerboi16]

Plus, if the knight is the vessel, they could also be a student at the school, explaining why a dark fountain was in the school. (The main reason why I think this is mainly because the vessel looks like a teenager because there the same height as kris, and the other students we meet at the school)

[@chippotato5647]

@@flowerboi16 The only other class in the school besides Kris' is Toriel's elementary class, though. So unless the vessel was made younger to fit in with the class, I don't think that's what's going on, here. Frankly, I'm not sure if we'll ever see the Vessel again, because then it'd probably fly in the face of the message the beginning of the game was drilling into you; how "you don't get to choose who you are in this world."

[@flowerboi16]

@@chippotato5647 For your first point, if you explore the school a bit you can see two other extra doors in the school, which could be classroom doors so I don't think Kris's class and Toriel's kindergarten class are the only ones. For your second point, I don't think that's what the game means by that "Your choices don't matter" it means Kris's choices don't matter, not the player's. What I mean by this is that if we go off the notion that these weird cutscenes at the end of both chapters are Kris breaking free from the player's control, then if the player is controlling kris, the player is the one making the choices, sure the game might force you into predicaments that you have no control over (Mostly chapter 1) however my point still stands. Sure the player's choices don't matter in chapter 1 however they do in chapter 2. You get new dialogue choices that you have the option to say (not kris), you have the option to do the infamous snowgrave route (also not kris) along with a lot of other choices. Honestly, what the game means by "Your choices don't matter" is its own separate theory entirely but you probably get my point, it's that Kris's choices don't matter, not the player's.

[@incsOld]

6:25 This is a stretch but what if Dess is working for the knight. I can really see Toby doing this and I feel like would be VERY VERY INTERESTING

[@lukematzner7996]

A few comments on your theory: Kris saves in between ch 1 and ch 2 at ralsei’s dark world. Since the save file says Kris, and not the name of whatever potential thing possessing them like the knight, as it does for us, means that Kris must be the one who is doing the whole heart ripping scenes. Also in order to get to the school to save at the dark world, they would have had to go past the library, and we last saw them with a knife that could open a dark fountain. And we know Kris has a past of getting into places they weren’t suppose to. Just saying. Also if Kris had planned on Susie sleeping over with them and not opening a dark fountain, then why didn’t they just ask Susie to stay over or use body language or a pre planned note to get toriel to invite them to stay over? There are a lot simpler solutions to this problem then just SLASHING YOUR MOMS TIRES. We have never heard of Kris doing major vandalism like this, and it seems weird for them to start now. But what slashing the tires does do is force Toriel to sleep with Kris and Susie, guaranteeing that they would all be sucked into the dark world. Since the objects in the light world correspond to the dark world geography, I think it is safe to conclude that the dark fountain was by the table (most likely where Kris and Susie were) which represents Queen’s castle (the laptop representing Queen is in it after all). And all of those things were fairly far away from the closest. Also if Berdly and Noelle were really in the room during the creation of the dark fountain, why didn’t they ever mention anything about it? Having the room explode with light and then be filled with smoke, with a mysterious person run out would be fairly hard to forget. Not to mention, how those two even got to cyber field in the first place since they would have dropped into presumably Queen’s castle. Finally, I did want to point out. Kris does have a lot of weird knowledge. For example for the whole hand washing thing. Kris does nothing to get Susie to come inside the house. Susie walks Kris home on her own volition, and then just before Susie leaves Toriel just so happens to open the door to greet Kris and invite over Susie. Then in the dark world sections, Kris calls the dark world bake sale a reoccurring bake sale despite being the first one in the game, and laments about the jukebox at ralsei’s dinner not working, how we can’t find a working juke box anywhere. Both of these are references to undertale. So does Kris know about Undertale????

[@scyrossel.900]

Oh, great!! I'll see this video when I go to bed because, seriously, I finished Ch. 2 two days ago and have so many thoughts about all of this (I'm trying to write it down first to organize my ideas). And that Kris was the Knight was just one of them, but later it got banished beucase of others facts I was seeing throughout the game (and speculations). Seeing the timestamps there are things that I probably didn't thought about.

[@shadowboi8620]

Many people want to deny that Kris hates us for controlling their body, much like how people want to deny that they killed all the monsters in undertale. But, there is one key thing that we must remember in theses games. YOU, the player aren't always gonna be the good guy. I'm not talking about Frisk. I'm not talking about Chara. And I'm not talking about Kris. I'm talking about YOU.

[@obelix8492]

Imagine making a complicated plan with usage of dark magic, neconomicon and scheming just to make blue bird understand that it is stupid

[@adoggo5884]

Ralsei knows exactly how the journey will go so of course he pretends that the fountain just appeared. Plus he hurried kris and Susie to the computer lab when he “hadn’t detected a dark presence yet” He knows it all.

[@TheAdvertisement]

Since your last video I have reverted my ways and am on board with the Knight being a separate character. Kris being able to open the previous fountains is too unlikely, and their motivations for opening the new fountain are some great characterization and parallel extremely well with Ralsei's warning. 5:20 Queen describes seeing the Knight herself I beleive, so it wouldn't make sense for the Knight to have been in the closet the whole time. Also, they likely fled, as the dark fountain seems to fill up the room quick, and the Knight would've been pulled into the Dark world as well. 6:12 I'm pretty sure it's just supposed to reference you saving over Kris's life? After all it shows no data. It doesn't say Kris has a save file really, more that by default the save file is connected to Kris, but you take control.

[@Sauraen]

One problem with the double doors theory is that while the supply closet (Ralsei's Castle Town) does have double doors, the abandoned classroom (chapter 1 world) does not, nor does Kris's living room / the TV (presumably chapter 3 world).

[@Nai-qk4vp]

It would be wonderful if you did more of character analyses like Papyrus'. Especially if you did one with Asgore , he is easily one of the most multi-layered characters in Undertale yet all he is one of the most misunderstood.

[@stef__an]

ABOUT THE SAVE FILE While we can only access the file in the Dark World, we know full well that it is accessible, and even able to be edited in the Light World. Once the Chapter 1 ending occurs, the game automatically auto-saves in the room, without letting this spot in the file be accessible to the player. Once the file is continued in chapter 2, however, the location of it is "Your Room", clearly canonizing the save. tl;dr: the game saves in kris' room, in order for that location to be available in chapter 2, therefore save files are very well accesible in the light world.

[@billymoak3848]

What if Kris opened the door before making the fountain to let the knight in? I’m not really sure why they would do this but considering the previous two dark worlds were already influenced by the knight when we arrived I think it will be the same by the time we get control in chapter 3. Otherwise it doesn’t seem like the antagonist would have any reason to protect the dark fountain or try to spread more darkness like the previous ones. Maybe Kris is setting a trap for the knight? Luring them in with a new dark world so they can learn more about them?

[@juiceinabucket5289]

i know, but it would be an AMAZING cutscene when the entire thing is about meeting the knight, and when it finally happens, its just a mirror. and then kris goes nuts lol

[@sagacious03]

Another interesting analysis video! Once more, thanks for uploading!

[@thethree13o]

one thing i would like to note: the knife that kris held at the end of chapter 1 looks different to the one at the start of chapter 2 (though this maybe just be the angle) the chapter one knife blade looks the same size as then handle, whereas the chapter 2 blade is a bit longer going forwards (if you know what i mean)

[@MeloniestNeon]

Don't know how I missed this at first, lol. Once again, I agree with pretty much everything said here! I'd love to see your thoughts on certain connections, such as Father Alvin, the church, the Delta Rune and mentions of the Angel from both games, ect.

[@farbencut]

For me, the strongest arguement is TOBY FOX LITERALLY TELLING US (1:39)

[@metroid031993]

I think "The Knight" isn't necessarily a single person. Just a term whoever happens to open a fountain. In this case, we see that Kris is indeed "The Knight" for the fountain opened in Toriel's house. A few other things to mention; the closet dark world is the first we see. Kris could have opened it before the game starts (Toriel notes that they're going to be late for school, so its possible Kris didn't get as much sleep as usual, thus waking up late) and that Kris doesn't want to enter it since its the first and what will happen with it isn't entirely clear, but Susie goes in, so Kris has to follow. Regarding the library, either Kris did make it and things just ended up that way once everything was said and done, or indeed, someone else knows how to create fountains. Maybe this is the person Kris learned the ability from (Asgore, potentially? Could be related to what happened in the bunker, or with Des, or both. Assuming something traumatic happened within a previous dark world, it could also explain Kris' hesitance to the first one as well). Just my personal thoughts, we'll see what happens when ch3 comes out

[@jogosdoarthur6847]

I'm not really sure, I think the one both King Spade and Queen refer is a single person, because they call him "The Roaring Knight", directly refering The Roaring, so I think "The Knight" knows about The Roaring, and well, as you stated, if Kris actually created the first dark fountain and then backed up before entering it, he shouldn't know about the risks he was taking by creating a fountain. I believe Kris is exactly what Queen wanted to make of Noelle, a New Knight, that can also make dark fountains.

[@papermr.magolorguy7957]

Merry Krismas! :D.

[@Dorked]

Merry Krismas to you, too! :)

[@Basicallydeleted]

I feel like paps being the knight is a possibility I feel like it could be a luigi situation, paps is just a being of godly power and is being used by someone we know to do whatever Paps us very kind, what if alvin convinced him to open fountains to bring the angles heaven?

[@Dorked]

Papyrus could be doing it simply outta loneliness/escapism, too. He might not realize that it could destroy the world. It depends a lot on how the knight learned about opening fountains, etc.

[@questionmarkquestionmarkques]

@@Dorked the queen refers to the knight as "The Roaring Knight" and if this is what they call themselves then they probably know about the roaring and are trying to start it

[@Reialine]

@@Dorked I was about to state the same since most of the heads up lines up with papyrus in undertale, his obsession of becoming a Royal Knight and do good things with the wrong thoughts, his veritable good shoes but guillible personality that can drive people to adore him, tall figure to fit in a closet, tends to talk to people thru a phone a lot, active internet user, confirmed having some sort of close relationship to gaster. It sounds that papyrus checks out a lot woth facts about the knight, there is a chance that either he is being misguided by gaster or just think he is doing the right choice while being oblivious to the consequences of his actions. There is also the fact that Toby prevents us from meeting papyrus, despite that Sans would like Kris to be his friend. Especially suspicious on what he has written about papyrus in the deltarune steam game store page, as if Toby himself is preventing us from meeting Papyrus so early (Mostly because he must ve a major character related to the biggest plot elements of Deltarune).

[@jam-etc]

again, it is absolutely wild to me that all my theories have all been touched on in this video. Absolute wild, I feel so much less crazy

[@childish4487]

What if the knight is quite literary the night? As in darkness personified and darkworlds kinda just apear in dark spaces like a empty classroom or libarby. This is assuming that the knife thing is a fake out again.

[@Jebiwibiwabo]

I still think its asgore being the knight, ok so few things, Motive: Trying to find a cure for his best friend (healing magic working in dark world + noelle's comment on wishing it would work in the real world), interacting & having adventures to escape reality (his situation isn't exactly great due to financial issues and relationships with others), a way to reconnect with their kids (possible that he has met ralsei and that's the reason ralsei knows the locations in the school, since toriel is a teacher there asgore would most likely also previously been inside) Other things: being the previous police chief its possible he had access to locked buildings & retained them explaining how he got into places; the "large person" quote for the closet; him being entirely missing from ch.2; asgore in undertale had a reluctant dark side to him involving killing children, not saying he does that in deltarune, just the shady side being a factor; asgore also wearing knightly armor in undertale; asgores fridge containing one of the places for the multiplying gaster egg to be placed potential problems with this (that I can think of): if sagore has met ralsei why would he be creating dark fountains if ralsei would discourage him from doing so, probably doesn't still have the "keys to the town", no clear indication that he's involved in any of this (that we know of/have seen), non-solid reasons for creating multiple dark fountains beyond seeing what worlds are made/revealed, asgore might not have been able to make the first fountain for ch.1, or at least we wouldn't know or see any indication of. idk, thoughts? lol

[@elvisanderson630]

I think the closet is Queen's mansion. The "large Person" is Queen's giant robot. All the other things we can interact with in the computer lab correspond to something in the dark work it wouldn't make sense for the closet to be an exception.

[@mx.hershey5070]

I think ralsei isn’t an object on Kris just because his object likely belongs to the storage closet rather than the unused classroom, hence why he was able to stay at the castle town. Also, I think that explains why he can travel to other dark worlds. Since the closet’s fountain is pure darkness that can accommodate for any darker, and darkers are representative of their dark world, then it would make sense for Ralsei to be able to accommodate to other worlds. How exactly he was able to travel I have no clue on lol, but I really do appreciate your videos on whether kris is the knight or not! I never really believed that they were, and it’s nice to see that not everyone does lol

[@Cool_Kid95]

The white door thing has me convinced it's Gaster now.

[@JohnSmith-wv5km]

Oh man I never made that connection, it might not confirm anything though

[@Cool_Kid95]

@@JohnSmith-wv5km I’m glad i found evidence no one else has

[@roysparkizay]

6:36 quick correction: the shelter sound is slowed down by -85%, not -666%

[@Dorked]

Ah, thanks for clarifying!

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

I love your analysis and theory videos for this game, your content is next level 💖💖💖

[@sachiy2893]

that bunker theory w dess is actually really interesting, i like that one!

[@EpicFailureFive]

I do have an argument for Kris being possessed by another entity besides us. Ralsei states that the SOUL is the culmination of our being, same as Flowey does in Undertale. Likewise, in Undertale it was apparent that humans persisted as their SOULs even after death. The 6 human SOULs still held traits of their former lives and were able to counter Flowey with their own will. With this evidence and the "culmination of being" line, it seems to be heavily implied that humans are inseparable from their SOULs, as it is their SOULs which define their identity rather than their bodies. Since Ralsei states this same "the SOUL is the culmination of your being" line, the same is likely true of human SOULs in Deltarune. Kris therefor should not be able to remove their own SOUL, as doing so would make them no longer Kris. The reason why I bring this up is to point out the major flaw in the idea that Kris slinks around like a zombie and has to put the soul back in because of some imaginary timer where the human body can survive without a soul. It's complete fanon that goes against what we already know about human souls, and was simply made up as a counter to the possession theory. A human shouldn't be able to exist separate from their SOUL, and if the Red SOUL is only the player, Kris should still have their own SOUL and be perfectly fine. If this is the case, and Kris can remove us at seemingly any point of their own will, then why bother putting us back at all? Why not remove us during points such as the Snowgrave route or talking to NPCs in Hometown where Kris is clearly uncomfortable with the situation? And simply put, if Kris can remove us at any point of their own will, are they still a puppet based on this supposed meta commentary? Furthermore, we also need to remember that we were forced into Kris by another entity, one which speaks suspiciously similar to post-genocide Chara, especially in the Japanese translation. So here is what I think is going on. I believe that the Red SOUL is actually both the soul of the player and Kris's soul after being connected together, similar to Asriel and Chara in Undertale. And the entity that forced us into Kris removes both of us so that they can possess Kris's body temporarily in order to push the story forward. The meta commentary here thus isn't just about the dichotomy of the player's choices and the character's, but there's another commentary about the inherent limitations of choices in video games compared to reality. The necessary progression of the video game's story is being represented as a puppet mastering antagonist forcing the game's plotline which neither we nor the characters can stop, hence why "your choices don't matter". I should also state that I don't think this entity is the Knight, but could be the one responsible for Jevil and Spamton's meta knowledge (I don't think Gaster is the one behind this since both seem to suggest a deeper dark carnival/amusement park motif which doesn't really befit a royal scientist.)

[@ElectricBarrier]

Hey you know this is actually a pretty compelling argument. I got all sorts of stuff that makes me wonder about that but it's not implausible and I'll keep this in the back of my mind. I will say though Flowey is evidence that soulless people can live so long as they have the determination to do so, and continue to be themselves in a sense. Asriel's soul was responsible for his empathy and such, but initially Flowey still had Asriel's personality and memories, and it was only in being unable to feel properly mixed with his near godlike powers that turned him into Flowey proper. And, as the undertale alarm clock dialogue shows, even Flowey has managed to improve somewhat in that regard as he is heavily implied to have been worried about Toriel and poured her a glass of water. Not to mention, when turned into Asriel again, he was eventually able to temporarily recover his ability to feel properly and his original personality, despite being filled with souls that were not his own(including human souls). Now, this is the case of something like this happening to a MONSTER, not a HUMAN, and we do know human souls work different than that of monsters'. However, there's still precedent and reason to believe that the self would still reside in the mind and remain there even without the original soul and potentially with another soul as a replacement. Kris could easily be shambling because they are struggling to drum up enough determination to live and move without the soul providing it. I think it is then possible for the soul in their body to not be their own, as such a thing worked for Flowey/Asriel like I said. There's more reason to believe that the self can exist for a human without a soul and in another human's, as Chara's consciousness was attached to Frisk's soul or at least their something as evidenced by them just showing up at the end of the genocide route. Now, if you don't believe the Chara is the Narrator theory and you don't believe that the Chara shown at the end of the route was the real Chara, I've seen different interpretations, then this part of the point doesn't stand. There's definitely a lot of merit to your idea, though, and we could learn something that makes it clear human souls would definitely work differently than that or even from how they did in undertale.

[@susiiajwnendnsnsn]

Honestly, I always thought that Dess would be the knight. I don't know why, but it always felt like it would have someone who we have barely seen be the big baddie. But then again, it does seem pretty obvious.

[@MolassesLover]

I found the idea of the knight sneaking around in Hometown absolutely hysterical, I don’t think that’s the case. The knight in all likelihood has some way of moving through the dark world or possibly underneath Hometown

[@thevioletskull8158]

You know I first I thought it was very likely that Kris was the knight but the more I watched, the more I doubt it. (Though I guess there’s a chance it’s possible) I now agree with the consensus that Kris being the knight is a red herring.

[@WeatherReportsHat]

The real nail in the coffin is that neither King nor Queen ever recognize Kris. We know they both have seen the Knight, and idolize them, so they'd very clearly recognize and say something to Kris if Kris were the Knight.

[@galegopaulista4564]

One thing that bothers me about your speculation of how the library fountain was opened is Berdly and Noelle not seeing the Knight open the fountain basically in front of them. With it being so noisy and visually striking, you'd think they would notice (also, they'd probably find it pretty weird to see someone simply enter the computer room and hide in the large closet for whatever reason. I still think it's more likely that the Knight made the fountain before they entered the computer room.

[@Dorked]

I just wanna note: I said the knight opened it behind them. The smoke woulda started gushing up as they turned around (assuming this person was hiding out in the closet before they got there). Plus if the knight fled as the room was filling with darkness, they probably a) didn't get a good look and b) brushed it off as a dream after the fountain closed. Assuming Noelle and Berdly arrived after school, the knight coulda been hiding there already, and they weren't aware of it. Ralsei didn't notice the fountain any sooner, so it had to be after Kris and Susie left the castle town to go do their homework. Since Kris went to the old classroom first, then back to castle town, then explored castle town, and then left, that's a lot of time where the fountain coulda been made.

[@ghengiroo4143]

Noelle and Berdly were asleep when they came back to the Light World, which is odd since Susie and Kris return awake in both Chapters. Since we know people can sleep through that stuff with the Chapter 2 ending, it’s possible the Knight created it while they were asleep.

[@kyanzennaro2290]

@@ghengiroo4143 or he knocked them both down,and they don't remember it considering up until now they all consider it as a dream

[@ghengiroo4143]

@@kyanzennaro2290 that’s also possible.

[@yitraboom]

I am a fan of the thought that Kris heard about any lighter being able to open a fountain from Queen and decided to try it for themselves

[@harperiitmf]

Haven't finished the video, but the thumbnail made me laugh more than it should've

[@Plackowicz]

In my opinion Kris is The Knight. As Queen shows Noel a hologram in the sky, we see a blade that creates the Dark Fountain. That blade is a knife, and I even noticed it during my first playthrou. WHY NO ONE IS MENTIONING THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT???

[@metal42]

That doesn't really mean anything?? Multiple people can use knives.

[@Plackowicz]

@@metal42 and this is enough evidence fo dismiss it? You are technically right, but with the context that Kris opens a dark fountain later, and mysteriously pulled it out of nowhere the previous night, it's just ignoring some clues bcs we don't agree with this take. If Tobyfox wanted to show us somone else in this cutscene, he would show us a sword. But he specifically chose knife, often associated with Kris/Chara/Frisk, aka the main focuse of his games.

[@metal42]

@@Plackowicz it could also be a new character (like the vessel). But that being said, I don't necessarily disagree with Kris being the knight.

[@judsongaiden9878]

0:50 In horror movies, the cops never believe the people who know what's going on. Same for horror comedies like 'Killer Klowns from Outer Space'. Undyne is way more relatable than Curtis Mooney, though (especially the Undertale version of her). If we're sticking with cop characters, I'd say she's less of a Curtis Mooney and more of a Eugene Tackleberry-type person. Assuming you've seen Police Academy, that is. I always thought Zootopia needed a Tackleberry-type character. 3:35 Gotta love Alphys's use of the word "intonation." Toby-go-nuts uses all the best words! Like when Nerdley uses the word "dextrose" as a way of saying "that's sweet" and then follows it up with "stay sanguine." 5:10 '90s LAN party room. 6:40 The Toby-go-nuts mythos is chock full of esoteric symbolism, much of it with what appears to be a Kabbalic flavor. Pewdiepie described Undertale as "an Illuminati game" for exactly that reason, but the Illuminati's goals are more political, not mystical. They do recruit through the Freemasons, though, and the Freemasons borrow a lot of iconography from Kabbala. Toby-go-nuts is from Boston which has been a Masonic stronghold since before the American Revolution. You can see it in the architecture and aspects of those motifs definitely bled into Undertale and Deltarune. Every time you see twin pillars (representing the duality of Boaz/Earth and Jachin/cosmos) combined with an archway with a triangle it in, it's typically a Masonic motif. The three dots that Omega Flowey uses to represent "everything," which also show up in Seam's right eye, are an esoteric symbol known to some as "the Masonic trinity." Members of the Order of the Golden Dawn, who bore the title of magus, used to put that symbol next to their name. Anyway, where was I going with this? Oh, yeah. That 666 symbolism. That gets thrown around a lot and most people don't really understand its full significance (the same way too many people misuse the terms "Apocalypse" and "Armageddon" which both have specific rather than general meanings). It's a numeric symbol for the Roman empire. 7:00 Ever notice how Ralsei acts like a little brother rather than a big brother? 7:08 Do you think Toby-go-nuts is paying homage to Tim Burton with those German Expressionist-style motifs? 8:27 The Delta Rune symbol has an Egyptian look to it. Other cultures of Antiquity, throughout the Near East and Middle East, made use of that "winged sun" symbol in one iteration or another. Most scholars corroborate that its meaning has something to do with the worship of royalty as divinity. Remember that Undertale's version of Asgore pointed out that he "never wanted power."

[@Fishy-Chips]

I actually headcannon that Kris was inspired by the Knight which is why they made a fountain at the end of chapter 2

[@kevinm5940]

7:01 this isn't really related to the video, but the promotional posts on Undertale's twitter account seemed to have been made by Gaster, and he presented Deltarune as if he was its creator. This leads me to think "the prophecy" is the story as he wrote it (in-universe), with the player saving the world from evil gods with the power of Friendship, and that the alternate "B-side" route is messing this up. (Toby Fox has explicitly said that there is only 1 ending, so you'll probably save the world regardless, just without the 'friendship' part.) The Japanese translation implies that the voice that discards your vessel isn't the same one who created it. This makes me think that Gaster gave you control of the soul, and wanted to make a body for you to use, but some other entity put the soul into Kris. There is a distinction there from how people usually seem to frame it. I think that Gaster didn't specifically have the goal to possess Kris, and the player isn't stealing Kris' existing soul. (This also sort of avoids the bizarre implication some fans make, that you're a bad person for playing a video game) I also presume the "voice" that Noelle was talking about in the B-side route was either Gaster or the other entity, who speaks to the characters when the soul selects an option. It makes no sense for this voice to be the player, as you obviously don't control the game via speech.

[@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123]

Personally, I really hope Napstablook is the one to show up instead of Undyne. I feel like it would be a very Toby Fox move to set up all these signs that Undyne will learn about the Dark Worlds that instead its Napstablook who shows up. They are a police officer after all. Who knows? Maybe Undyne still dealing with the traffic jam from earlier, and so Napstablook shows up. Toby could even make it funnier by when you tell Undyne this time, you mention Napstablook, too which Undyne mentions Napstablook is always seeing weird stuff and managing to show it to other people, referencing the even where Frisk and Napstablook share a moment of peace with each other in Undertale.

[@annaluisaiorio5347]

how does he take advantage of the traffic, its gonna be even more obivious becouse the traffic was stopping usg

[@a-loser]

I would really like to see if the player was the villain, like the soul controlling kris. And kris is trying to save everyone from us.

[@Anthony-pt8ws]

You brought up several interesting points in this video, and while I still believe Kris is the knight, I can find myself agreeing with you on several points. I do not believe Kris is the villain of Deltarune. I don’t think they have any malicious intent at all. I really dislike the apparent link some people have drawn between the theory that Kris is the knight and the theory that Kris is the villain of the game. I don’t think the knight is evil. They’re definitely the main antagonist, but look at what happened to all the main antagonist from Undertale. I think Toby is capable of writing more compelling characters than just “people who do bad things”, so I don’t know why the assumption that Chris is the night would pair with the assertion that they’re the villain. I believe Kris turned to the dark fountains to try and relive the life that they had with Asriel. Perhaps they opened the first dark fountain by accident at the start of the game, and upon discovering that this could be used as a way to continue their adventures with their brother. Kris is a character that cares about their family and friends very deeply, as is evident from them slashing their mothers tires in order to get Susie to stay over the night(i still do think that was Kris, they genuinely care about Susie and I think it’s perfectly in character for them to something like that). Kris views the dark world as a place for them to avoid the trauma of their life and to spend time with their friends and the people that they care about, which is why they’re so quick to go back to the dark world even after the snowgrave route. I think the points about the knight opening the dark fountain while Noelle and Berdly were in the library computer lab are interesting, but I personally find Kris’s dark world save file to be a far more compelling piece of evidence. We know that at the very least Queen never saw the knights face, and if I recall correctly it’s implied that King didn’t really know them that much either. The first time you save an Undertale, the safe file is blank, but in Deltarune Kris’s name is already there. They had to have been the dark world at some point. Maybe they opened the classroom fountain by accident and were scared to jump back into the dark world. Or maybe they’ve been to the dark world in the past and it carries some bad memories. Either way Kris visited the dark world prior to the start of the first chapter and at some point between the and second chapter. I really don’t know why else they do that unless they were the knight. The points about Noelle and Berdly already having their books on the table just feel less strong in my opinion. We know Kris and Susie were able to walk from the storage closet to the abandoned classroom while in the dark world, so to me it would make sense that Berdly and Noelle made their way over to the table somehow. I don’t really think the knight is being alluded to by the closet, but I don’t really have a good counterpoint other than the closet is probably dusty which would mask Berdly’s body once he turns to dust (Long story short, I don’t think there’s any reason to assume monsters don’t turn to dust in Deltarune. Berdly could easily have just “fallen down “, and the flavor text on the graves in the cemetery seem to align with funeral practices for monsters as described in Undertale, so monsters turning to dust does still seem to be a mechanic in this world.), but I accept that’s not a very good counter. The most interesting point you made in my opinion was the fact that Ralsei should have sensed the dark fountain being opened, but doesn’t when Kris and Susie are visiting him in the dark world. This is a really interesting point. My best counter would be that Ralsei mentioned a second fountain appearing on the horizon in his legend, so maybe he only noticed the classroom fountain was there because he could see it (the library is much further away from the closet then the adjacent room.), but he does mention at the start of chapter 2 that he felt a dark presence and rushed over to the library fountain. All I can really say in response is that I don’t entirely trust Ralsei. I don’t think he’s going to be a twist villain or anything, but I certainly think he’s hiding from at least the player and Susie (Kris gets a pass because once in each chapter so far, there’s been a moment where the players perspective is shifted to watch Susie, and Kris and Ralsei say are left to have a conversation without the players oversight, which wouldn’t raise too many alarms if it wasn’t for Ralsei’s reaction to this little chat being skipped in the snowgrave route, but that’s a different theory for another day.), so I do think it might be possible Ralsei had other motivations for waiting to tell Chris and Susie about the library fountain. Or heck, maybe he only sent the dark presence once a lightener fell in. Overall, you made several great points and I throughly enjoyed watching your video. I just still think Kris being the knight provides a far more compelling story, and adds to the Kris vs player meta-narrative that’s been running throughout the game. Kris finally discovering a way to be reunited with they’re brother even though he’s away at college only to have the player plopped into their body would definitely add to conflict between us and Kris(and perhaps them opening the fountain was the reason we were put in their body instead of the vessel). To me, it just highlights the story of the game a lot better than the knight being a separate entity, or Kris being possessed by a third entity when they tear their soul out. It also makes Kris a far more compelling character for me to follow. Anyways, I hope I was able to defend my position adequately. Deltarune is a very important game to me, and I suspect it will be to a lot of people since a lot of us will be growing up as the chapters come out, and I love having the opportunity to talk about ideas and share thoughts like this. It’s the strength of the chapter release format that I enjoy the most.

[@appeli1]

king and queen have seen the knight but if kris was the knight they would have remembered them

[@ndisfoshiz]

I actually had a conversation with a friend of mine about ralsei. They asked me why he didn’t turn into a statue and how did he get to the cyber world? I told them my theory. Ralsei comes from castle town, who’s dark fountain is made of pure darkness. While the others come from a fountain that is not. Because of that, the others don’t have a specific kind of darkness that the cyber world has. Since Ralsei comes from a place of pure darkness, this makes him compatible with many dark worlds. As long as castle towns fountain is flowing he’ll be ok. As for the moving between worlds, I got an idea. Remember in the legend story in the first chapter? When Ralsei says there was another dark fountain that appeared that was the world from chapter 1. If he could see that fountain was open he would be able to see/sense the cyber world fountain. Also notice how castle town isn’t part of the first dark world since it’s still there after the fountain was sealed? Remember how we entered a door to get to the first world? That could be a way that Ralsei could get to the cyber world.

[@Sauraen]

The castle town fountain is in the supply closet, and the chapter 1 world fountain was in the abandoned classroom next door to it. There's a door between them, in both the dark world and the light world.

[@garysnyder4537]

Really enjoyed this explanation, but I am curious: who do you think is likely the Knight? I think that the closet sort of implies them as an adult, but I’m curious to seeing exactly who bc there is no clear guess at this point without just immediately going for Gaster. I expect for chapters 3-5 to have a little more focus on who the suspects could be. Or maybe it’s just a totally new character altogether and I’m being a dum dum

[@dontoverthink4766]

"This video will probably be short" *ends up longer than the original* me: key word "probably"

[@flagonking1337]

Never forget the fakeout from Chapter 1. My bet is still on Dess/The Vessel.

[@MegabombGamer-rb5kh]

Now I must say I disagree with this theory. so here's mine: Kris is the Knight, but the Knight isn't actually the true villain of the game. This theory operates alongside a different Deltarune theory, known as Chess Theory. Chess Theory proposes that the chapter antagonists will all be based on chess pieces, and faced in order according to their point values, descending from highest (King) to the least (Pawn). According to this theory, this means we'll face the Knight in either Chapter 4 or 5. I believe that the Knight will be defeated in Chapter 5, which will also include the revelation that they aren't the true villain but rather being manipulated by the actual big bad, who will be faced in Chapter 7. One problem with Chess Theory is that there are 7 chapters at least but only 6 types of chess pieces, however I propose that the villain of Chapter 7 will be analogous to the Chessmaster. I believe this is fitting as 'The Chessmaster' can both mean someone who is really good at chess or someone who manipulates events as if they were playing a game of chess. Now, as you stated, one point against Kris being the Knight is that they aren't recognized by King and the others. However, I would like to point out that we've never seen Soulless Kris in the Dark World. The closest would be the "what's Susie doing" scenes, but those appear to be different as the soul only leaves Kris's body during the Susie v. Lancer fight in Chapter 1, and it goes back to Kris whenever Lancer finishes attacking. We have no idea what would happen if Kris was in the Dark World without their soul. My theory is that lacking their soul causes the Dark World to treat Kris as an object instead of a Lightner and grant them a more powerful Darkner form. I suggest that this form also hides Kris's face somehow, such as behind a knight's helm, to justify why no Darkner's recognize Kris as the Knight. (Also before anyone asks why Kris' soulless body would be stronger than Kris with a soul, the power of Darkner's does not appear to directly relate to an object's light world power. Some of the strongest Darkners are the King of Spades card, the Joker card, a laptop, and spam emails combined with an unfinished MSPaint drawing.) Now to respond to one point not directly related to my theory; when Kris backs away from the Castle Town portal at the beginning of the game, it's possible that Kris wasn't thinking "what is this, why is it so dark in there", but rather "what is this, I didn't make this one".

[@queenofglitch]

Additional point about the fountain being formed while Berdly and Noelle were already in the room: I do not think Noelle would willingly enter the Dark World door if it looked the way it does to us by the time she arrived, nor would Berdly have any reason strong enough to motivate him to pressure her to. (He'd probably say something about how walking into obvious danger is "STUPID" and/or "Susie-like".)

[@jakieboi1117]

Not really something to do with the video but got any theories on Ralsei and who he really is? he’s very obviously has a secret as he knows things he shouldn’t like saving.

[@janiradariasmorales7918]

Another things that explains that Kris is not the Knight: If the fountain was made in the night it should has been noticable that someone broke in, yet nothing has been tampered. Kris state when they don't have the soul make them a bit slow and sluggish and who knows if they can even last long without the soul. Remember when we meet the Queen the first time? The first thing she says and I quote: "Hell Of A Study Section." This expecific line means that she knew about Berdly and Noelle studying on the Computer lab, which shouldn't had been possible if the fountain was made the last night. Some people already had been mention it, the fact that there are just 2 chapters, why would Toby show the Knight this early?

[@Dorked]

Yeah, I think it'd be weird for Kris to make a fountain offscreen and hide it from us and then show it to us plainly the next chapter, too.

[@janiradariasmorales7918]

@@Dorked Yeah, is odd. Also the fact to where they get the information about opening one in the first place.

[@ufoludDziad]

the player is the knight thank you for coming to my ted talk

[@32th]

This seems to be something a lot of people miss: if you check the TV at the very start of chapter 2, it will be plugged it. If you check it at the end of chapter 1, it won't be. This means that it is during the night between chapter 1 and 2 that the TV was plugged in. Kris could've done that while soulless, since I doubt Toriel would plug the TV in

[@Dorked]

I addressed the TV in this video, too, and I think Kris wanted it plugged in even before opening a fountain became a factor.