Deltarune Chapter 3 Secret Boss - Immortal Hydrangea

Meet the Immortal Hydrangea, our concept for Chapter 3's secret boss, along with a revised and remastered unofficial soundtrack.
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[@NyanNegotiable]

I remember back in chapter one that Asgore gives you a bouquet of flowers which you give to Toriel, only for her to end up throwing them in the trash. I love this idea of those flowers being the secret boss of chapter 3, it fits perfectly and having to do specific task in a previous chapter to unlock a secret boss or route is genius

[@vectoraz1435]

She actually does that repeatedly and the trash can constantly smells like flowers

[@SleepyEggy13]

I sometimes dislike toriel cuz she's so rude to poor asgore

[@Kryistusx]

@@SleepyEggy13 Probably a reason why she does that to asgore but yeah she has done some sins

[@theworldisgonnaendinjuly4682]

make sense since kris makrs fountain in their housr

[@verity_amo]

It's implied she already has done that before, so maybe giving her the bouquet in Chapter 1 would make the boss harder lmao

[@apollyonnoctis1291]

Wait… A cyclical whirlpool of junk filled water, with what looks to be sewer drains in the background… Oh Angel above… *This fight takes place in the toilet.*

[@TheEggyOne]

OH WAIT NO I JUST REALISED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@shranos1134]

NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO TAKE A [[BIG SHIT]]

[@massgunner4152]

TORIEL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[@saiashadoesstuff1133]

Looks like the bath bombs have come come back to bite kris

[@notmintmobile]

this is our comeuppance for flushing the toilet a million times to see toriel react to it

[@Borapaws]

i love how the 3D model is melded with the sprites! it looks so cool paired with the stellar theme that just (fwug)radiates that Toby charm!

[@nikocob1228]

I see what you did there...

[@Krispilol]

It’s got that new super Mario bros piranha plant look

[@Cahrssomething]

@@nikocob1228 i don’t 🥺

[@Cahrssomething]

@@nikocob1228 Im gonna look stupid aren’t I

[@BokuNoDensetsuNoHoshi]

@@Cahrssomething it's a joke about Toby Fox

[@vitoriangamer7807]

And I love how this secret boss perfectly links to an object in toriel’s house “the flower scented trashcan”

[@schematikart]

That's what I always thought at the end of chapter 2. If the next secret boss isn't flower/flowey themed, I'd be really surprised!

[@vitoriangamer7807]

@@schematikart yup I loved this concept

[@jtjs6096]

Wait, if the boss is actually connected to the trash can, in the end of chapter 1, you can give Toriel flowers from Asgore and she will throw them away into that trash can, does that action make this boss more powerful or not?

[@vitoriangamer7807]

@@jtjs6096 Hmmm that would be an interesting idea, maybe the boss would deal less damage to kris because he delivered the flowers and more damage to toriel because she threw them away with the rest or maybe she will give you an extra item in the end

[@Lyncin]

also, whats the ultimate thing discarded from the dreemur household?

[@jivehornet90833]

Using hydrangea flowers is genius, because, yes, they're a species of flower, but the boss has multiple heads. I love it so much

[@thelemon2172]

also works well with multiple heads also being associated with the hydra

[@jivehornet90833]

@@thelemon2172 exactly

[@adridoes_sillystuff]

that makes sense why Hydreigon has 3 heads

[@adridoes_sillystuff]

wait a moment doesn't hydra mean water related?

[@jivehornet90833]

@@adridoes_sillystuff it might mean that, I think you're thinking of hydro

[@wiktorg.7629]

Undertale: Toriel burns bad flower Deltarune Ch3: Toriel burns bad flower _How nice_

[@smeesssme4261]

Poor asgore :(

[@vidyabatter]

At first I thought this would be a strange idea considering that Chapter 3 is taking place in Kris house, not Asgore's flower shop, but then I remembered Toriel throwing Asgore's flowers in the trash, and then it made alot more sense.

[@Missingno_Miner]

Motifs: 0:37 - Battle against a true hero 0:47 - Not a motif, but Flowey's laugh, x4. 1:20 - Your Best Friend/Finale+ Secret boss/Freedom motif 1:31 - ASGORE 2:14 - BAaTH again 2:25 - Heartache

[@Grimbaloo]

Deltarune music makers try not to rely on motifs for music challenge (impossible)

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@Grimbaloo I mean... it's good that they're using motifs. Aside from them being generally useful, fanmade undertale and deltarune music is generally trying to emulate some of Toby's style, which uses motifs quite often. Like, Queen's battle theme uses Berdly's battle theme, which in turn uses Queen's overworld theme. King's battle theme uses the castle theme, Lancer’s theme, and The Legend.

[@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123]

@@Grimbaloo you.. you do realize the joke that toby created 3 songs exists for a reason, right? I love it, but both undertale and deltarune's soundtracks are littered with leitmotifs from other songs. It's not that big a deal if someone makes a fansong using them, they're probably closer to something Toby would make then if they created a new song from scratch with zero leitmotifs.

[@ronster.]

The main motif is also Determination, specifically a variation OF the variation at the end of Asgore's fight.

[@Space-ious]

@@Grimbaloo A fan made song for a Toby Fox game tries to replicate the music style of a Toby Fox game? Crazy

[@elias0240]

One of the best chapter 3 secret boss concepts I’ve ever seen. It feels like a love letter to Undertale with Undyne‘s, Toriel‘s, Asgore‘s and Flowey‘s themes incorporated into the song while still retaining its unique, secret boss-ish flair. The use of a 3D model is so perfectly integrated into the sprite of the boss, too! It looks so alive and doesn’t feel out of place either. The usage of another creative medium (pun not intended) like 3D modeling also pays homage to the photoshop elements of Omega Flowey’s fight, as they both use mediums not commonly found in Undertale and Deltarune. As seen in the Jevil fight, Toby Fox has used 3D elements in Deltarune before, just in the background, so it‘s thematically appropriate for this secret boss to also be 3D. Speaking of backgrounds: that is an amazing background! I feel like the background of a boss fight like this can make or break it, and you certainly chose the first option, as the rotating green vine-like things in the background (presumably being a part of the boss) not only emphasize the sheer SIZE of the boss, but also incorporate the trash from the trash can in Toriel‘s house into the boss fight. Having Toriel appear as part of a scripted fight at the end of the battle is also very unique, and allows for both the original Fun Gang trio AND Toriel to get some action in the fight, which is something quite enjoy. The way the background heats up because of Toriel’s flames feels very impactful, and having Kris being scripted to go down just adds onto that as well. I’ve seen the rotating green heart shield idea before, and I think it fit perfectly here, considering all the green and spiky things incorporated into this boss‘s design. Not only that, but I think it could be a very fun mechanic! Now for the one thing I think could have been better (Do take this with a grain of salt as I am not a music major and this DOES come down to personal preference, and your work is FAR better than anything I could make.) The one problem I commonly see in Fan-made soundtracks like this is that they spend a lot of time building up, but don’t have a good drop, or „Punch“ go to along with it. What I mean by this is that this lacks a short, yet memorable part of the song thats catchy and will make the audience remember it, like Spamtons whole „Now‘s your chance to be a big shot!“ Shtick in his song. I’ll edit this comment later to add some Fanmade Deltarune boss songs that have pulled this off. EDIT: See Moonster‘s „Power of the Ideal Man“ or „W0r1d D0m!n47!0n“, OR The_Updator’s „Knight“ theme and Kuromi1906‘s „GO TO HEAVEN“. In short, while I think the song itself falls just a little short of something that makes it stand out even more, the art direction is some of the best and most faithful to Toby’s style I’ve ever seen, while also being fantastically unique. I kid you not, If I saw this boss in Deltarune chapter 3, I would be overjoyed. All in all. Great work, you’ve definitely earned yourself a subscriber!

[@cybercider6620]

Actually, if I recall correctly, Toriel is only part of the fight during the weird route, and the flash transition doesn’t mean the two segments were actually connected. It’s just to show off the two different versions of the fight.

[@elias0240]

@@cybercider6620 didnt know that, thanks for telling me.

[@missingnumberaxolotl-9079]

The green soul mechanic is from undertale undyne’s fight

[@S0NIC130]

I think the "3D" element of Jevil's fight is actually just sprites. I feel like I recall toby saying something about that in the 5th anniversary deltarune stream.

[@charlie4christ536]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5LXeq2nrKdlmqM Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life. (John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[@venomasmark154]

I like the idea that the Shadow Mantle is the Chaos Kings cape. I also love how it seems everyone agrees Toriel would have a large brimmed hat with a long flowing cloak

[@tysondennis1016]

That’s what it might be

[@fod7281]

smurfcat

[@FancyMcSchmancy]

* The Immortal Hydrangea blocks your way. * Smells like royalty. * Hydrangea is snapping its jaw like a piranha. * Hydrangea is cackling along with the music. * The wind is howling with metallic groans. * It feels like something is wriggling inside of you. * Hydrangea is roaring like a warning siren. * It feels like the end. * _But you’re nowhere close to it._ * The air crackles with freedom.

[@fl3m1n9o4]

_you're*_

[@danhatter6823]

* You feel the Hydrengea stare you down. * …but it wasn’t looking at you.

[@BokuNoDensetsuNoHoshi]

the last one is America

[@ju_space_ne]

*Smells like wilted roses.

[@toast_thebread]

*The air smells like freedom

[@dragonashly3383]

*The hydrangea is longing to be remembered. *The gaping Maw has opened to swallow you whole. *The world is spinning...No, wait, it isn't, it's just you. *You're getting dizzy from all the moving *Your duckies are getting closer to breaking each second *Green ocean is beneath you, and the serpent is waiting for you to make one wrong move. *Your weapons are useless against thorns Phase two *Fiery pits of hell are opened to swallow you whole *Air is geting heavier *Toriel is not joking around anymore *The sea is burning *You can feel Toriel's anger in her eyes *Burning world brings calamity with it *Ill intensions are in the air. *Abandon all hope ye who enter here *Running is not an option, burning might be.

[@Dragoonmaster999]

This feels like an unknown connection got terminated...

[@ralseibestboi546]

Neutral *The air smells of freedom *This battle is growing darker and darker *Immortal Hydrangea cries as it laughs Snowgrave/Weird route *The air smells of burning *Immortal Hydrangea desperately tries to put out the fire *The fire spreads

[@harbringerboredom2353]

weird route as a route when we make other characters do things unnatural to them? Noelle would mean genocide and toriel- arson?

[@trentonware3851]

Perhaps the "genocide" route would be called "Cremation" route?

[@ralseibestboi546]

@@trentonware3851 That honestly sounds sick, love it

[@passwqrd_]

@@harbringerboredom2353 a r s o n

[@Wheee7245]

0:59 DAMN DANIEL UR UR UR UR UR *UR UR NOTES INTENSIFIES*

[@purplenothing9305]

After seeing the original concept art for this character you guys posted on your Twitter, I gotta say it came together just as planned! It’s impressive to again see how this boss moves and the trash whirlpool is a really great parallel to the garbage can! And how it turns red/orange with Toriel’s flames to mirror something like a lava pit or inferno is awesome! Great work!

[@krej1243]

When I first noticed that Toriel throwed flowers from Asgore to trash, I thought like "Typical Toriel-Asgore moment". But now, when Chapter 3 is most probably going to take place in Toriel's house, it makes it painful, and made me so upset. Poor flowers, poor Asgore.

[@-ArdhaniChandra]

And the flower start to speak "He nurture us with LOVE, why you don't LOVE us?"

[@KirbosPlanet]

@@-ArdhaniChandra that is a little bit scary considering LOVE is level of violence in Undertale

[@mill2712]

@@KirbosPlanet Makes you wonder if this is a dark world custody battle.

[@Knux5577]

Asgore probably did something really bad, which is why they divorced. similar to their separation in undertale. people keep saying he's so innocent here and she's so evil for throwing away flowers she doesn't want but he should know she doesn't want anything from him. maybe she hasn't told him no on-screen but that doesn't mean she hasn't... He probably has something to do with the disappearance of noelle's sister, if not more. I refuse to believe there's not a reason why she hates him so badly. Poor flowers, yes. Poor Asgore.... maybe not.

[@arazet]

I hope theres gonna be a fangame made at some point cause concepts like this are too good for just songs

[@navybluegacha2119]

Immortal Hydrangea Rosey and Flowey And the Roaring Titans Are the ones I want as playable fanmde fights cuz they're so good as a conept

[@couldntthinkofaname360]

@@navybluegacha2119 You know at some point after all seven chapters are released Toby will make the game compatible with mods

[@navybluegacha2119]

@@couldntthinkofaname360 AYO

[@navybluegacha2119]

@@couldntthinkofaname360 LESSAGO But since 7 chapters complete takes ages Maybe a fangame can be made to pass the years until it drops

[@sonicsansic]

@@navybluegacha2119 personally I hope all of those become fangames along with this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJW5m2iZbN-lo68 You have scrolled far so you deserve a pipis---> 🔵

[@thealpacaofsupport258]

The sky/shadow mantle becoming the tool that lets the soul blocks attacks as the Green sould is such a cool concept! Loved it a lot This is a great concept! Great job ^^

[@frogchamp.]

I love how the butterfly thing is reused from the king fight when his cape flies away. He's a divorced king and asgore is too

[@TotalyNotTony]

Maybe his cape is the shadow mantle

[@frogchamp.]

@@TotalyNotTony probably

[@ColeGamesYT]

Dude, the leitmotifs in this theme is insane. Hearing ASGORE was AWESOME!!! I love ASGORE so much and it doesnt get the recognition it deserves. That and the spritework is really well done. Great job!

[@brunttoast1704]

I like how each flower head takes a turn dancing. Great work, Very groovy Godspeed

[@danhatter6823]

I think it’d be neat as, for your soul ability, you’re able to press Z to temporarily counter all damage dealt to you, allowing you to make the boss vulnerable to attacks and acts.

[@winnersduplicate554]

Seems fitting. Alternatively, add diagonal shielding and attacks from diagonals. Or both.

[@choboy46]

Literally cyan soul from deltatraveler's porky fight (parrying the legs topples them)

[@conicthehedgehog9166]

@@choboy46 maybe reflect the projectiles this time, like in the dummy fight

[@ron9174]

Since charging up with yellow soul fires a [[ BIG SHOT ]], mabye charging up with green soul creates a shockwave

[@hell86790]

Out of all the deltarune concepts this is probably the most believable and fitting fanboss and ust ive seen. I really like it too because the boss arena and the boss remind me alot of paper mario

[@multithedungeonspirit7970]

* The Hydrangea coughs from the garbage spilling into it's jaw. * Smells like a corpse flower. * The revolution of the blossoms is hypnotizing. * A great dragon in it's hoard. * The waves seem to hold no end. * Burn the offering.

[@szkraft220]

there actually IS a 3d model like you guys said on twitter!!! omg!! this slaps too! feels like a real secret boss song, seriously great job, anything you guys put out is bliss

[@paranoig1135]

neutral route *the sewers are filled by roots *the flowers begin to sing a serenade *the air crackles freely cremation route *the Immortal Hydrangea appears to be angry at her sins *are you alone *you call for help... but... someone came *smells like smoke

[@RealestPerson.]

Cremation route is a good name

[@Metrocysh]

THE CONCEPT OF THE SHADOW MANTLE?? HELLO?? THE MUSIC! THE ART! THE 3D?? GOSH This is all incredible work and concept!!! Feels amazingly real and fitting.

[@sssaym]

You sound like if Noelle had an alt account

[@Metrocysh]

@@sssaym Thanks Obama

[@Ant-Eater]

​@@sssaym r/rareinsults

[@Saul_Espinoza]

@@sssaym Accurate

[@snowytooktheacountbacklets9473]

attack ideas 1- vines will slowly move from any horizontal direction, with a 3 ping warning before slamming into the soul, if blocked they will bounce back like a spear on a hard surface, being hit will make the vines stab into the soul 2- same as one, but with a chance of a vine appearing on the sides and launching its thorns toward the soul 3- the soul turns red, pellets will fly like crazy as 4 vines slowly close in the box, after the box is fully closed you go back to green and it will be like 2. 4- the flowers will circle around the player and shoot "friendliness" pellets, each flower head has different effects, red will set fire that acts like karma, blue will freeze and make the soul move/block slower, yellow will shoot normal pellets, and grey will shoot a big pellet (about the same size as the pipis) that will bounce to a different direction, greys pellets bounce based on how many times you don't attack it, red shoots based on how many times you DO hit them, yellow shoots every second, and blue shoots at a random time from 2-5 secs, once greys bounces are done the pellet is gone, if in red soul mode grey will shoot a homing big pellet, grey will shoot stronger but slower if its hit by all the fun gang, in red soul mode, the grey pellets are bigger, the flowers laugh, and you can trick them into shooting each other. 5- just 3 and 4 combined, gl. 6- 2 and 4, vines + the flower heads Easter eggs: if a red pellet hits toriel it heals her, if the flowers hit themselves they are stunned with a shocked face, if you stay near each flower during red soul mode 4, they will react differently, grey will do charas iconic drippy face, red will look mad at the soul, yellow will slightly blush and have 4 hearts around their face, blue will stop being depressed for a second, yellows blush and hearts increase spare by 2% each time, if you attack yellow they wont do the 2% cause you are a monster >:(

[@BlueStorm988]

SOOOOO anyone else excited to see this thing ACTUALLY in action ;DD In The new Deltarune Pantheon of the Discarded!

[@danfan4914]

YUP, when I first saw this video my first thought was "this HAS to become a fangame"

[@theaxbowlotl]

If the secret boss ends up being the discarded flower, wouldn't it be nice if the personality of the flowers was almost Flowey-like? I mean, the secret bosses seem to represent some dark part of Kris' personal life. With Jevil, it reflected Kris' loneliness and how much of an outcast she felt like, and with Spamton, it reflected how Kris' soul isn't his own, being puppeteered by someone else. What if Ch3's boss reflected Kris' relations with their family? Again, going with the theme of the discarded flowers, which are a literal symbol of a broken family. Plus, who do we know in Kris' family that has a lot to do with flowers? Perhaps someone who's soul was put inside of one, turned bitter and cold after he couldn't feel love for his parents?

[@lendelostrinos4981]

Nice idea

[@SpectreCafe98]

whats with kris's pronouns changing every 10 seconds here lol

[@dimentio9833]

kris evolves from a she to a he to a they in the span of 5 seconds

[@fightingfefnir5733]

​@@dimentio9833this is my headcannon now

[@jacobrodriguez7365]

That sounds like an interesting idea maybe the pink and blue one red represent kris's parents the gray one would represent kris's inner voice (the vessel) and the yellow one could be a reference to frisk being related to undertale why I chose frisk it's because I think frisk is kris's ancestor or a relative

[@vivego5961]

I really like the concept of a new secret boss being a monster without much "personality" instead of a completely new insane character with some sad backstory each chapter

[@JoseRicardoAraujoDosSantos]

Its the flowers in the trash toriel got from asgore, combined with some other disfusting and depricated old things like the big mouth probably being a old toy, rubber ducks as the carts and alot of mush of stuff as the green (water?) Thing

[@melty1572]

yeah, considering it is implied that Toriel has thrown flowers in the trash before, maybe it could just simply be like a concept of heartbreak and have no real personality because they are just a concept

[@Tippex_Official]

Was bored, made some stat/ inspect stuff idk: Dentata: Has a teething problem. Will probably bite you. Hydrangeas: throws out a barrage of attacks. Attacks: dentata’s attacks: Bounce shot: fires a bouncing ball with teeth that bounds off the walls like a DVD logo. Relatively small but gets larger the more hydrangea heads get defeated. Roll along: fires out spiked balls that roll horizontally across the soul box thing (idk what it’s called). Hydrangea head’s attacks Pink head: will fire off either a spread of pink pellets (3/5/6/8 dependant if there are 3/2/1/0 other heads left) or an arced shot of either 1/2/2/3 projectiles dependant on other remaining heads. Blue head: fires a bouncing shot of 1/1/2/2 projectiles or fires a looping shot that performs 2/3/3/4 loops Purple head: drops 4/5/7/9 projectiles from the top of the screen to the bottom, or fires a charged bolt that takes 4/3/2/1 second(s) to charge Yellow head: fires a timed line of 3/5/9/11 projectiles that follow either the player’s horizontal of vertical position, or fires 1/1/2/2 homing pellets that track the player for about 3/4/5/6 seconds. Each hydrangea head has 1500 health, except the yellow head which has 3000, while dentata has 5500. Only a maximum of three hydrangea heads can attack alongside dentata New player moves/conditions for this battle: The basic attacks for all characters (excluding toriel) can only target dentata and the yellow flower. To compensate, each character gets one new special move that costs 25% TP Kris: blue slash (damages the blue flower with three weaker hits) Susie: pink buster (damages pink flower with high-ish damage) Ralsei: purple spell (damages purple flower and slightly heals all characters) The whole party also gains a full-party ability called ‘rainbow siege’ which costs 85% TP and allows them to hit any flower they want with any of their moves on the next two turns. (Also toriel has a fireball attack which hits for high damage on any target) I have no idea if this is well balanced but anyway. Edit: stuff I needed to add: 1) the hydrangea heads don’t die when they run out of health, but wilt. They can still trigger a powerful laser attack when wilted. 2) the player had a shield for this, mostly to help with the utter swaths of BS thrown at them. The shield can protect the player in any one of eight directions (those being horizontal, vertical and both diagonals) Yeah I know this is a really poorly made comment but idc.

[@alsartsavience3512]

Get bored more frequently, this is pretty neat (we'll see how it compares to Wandering Maker's version of the fight). Just a few things to note, especially the names: From what i understand from a concept art of the boss, the 4 flowers together are referred as ""Blossoms", while the plant snake thing is the "Immortal Hydrangea" (so i guess the Blossoms act as some kind of parasite to control the Immortal Hydrangea?). Also all 4 flowers have their own names, based on their colors: The Cyan flower is "Carnation", the Magenta Flower is "Magnolia", the Yellow one is "Yarrow", and the Key one is "Kalmia". CMYK, lmao.

[@yejing98]

Wow... The music, the animation, the background... Everything looks amazing!

[@TheUndeniablyPowerfulH]

its been over a year but god THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE CORRECT HP'S DISPLAY FOR THE PARTY MEMBERS

[@RetroSmash.]

wdym-

[@memeuz8882]

this is absolutely gorgeous. The sprites, animations, and the song are just god tier. amazing work

[@danbal5494]

*the blossoms have bloomed. *the garden is moving on it's own. *the guardian of the garden appears infront of you. *it senses your DETERMINATION. *everything seems familiar to you. *it doesn't want your DETERMINATION. * *it wants your soul.*

[@Dimentris]

This boss looks most canon among secret fan bosses

[@neonotterpop2528]

honestly i love the idea the shadow mantle would be used as a shield here, like it's wings would shield kris's soul, idk it just seems so cool

[@alsartsavience3512]

This looks AMAZING. Also banger theme as well. So i’ll take the version with Toriel is the Weird Route alternative? Also, is Kris actually permanently knocked out during the fight? I wonder if it’s because of the super laser at the start, but for some reason the shadow mantle WASN’T obtained, so they were forced to take the hit. …And yeah, Toriel DEFINITELY didn’t liked that.

[@hexbug101]

Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how you trigger the weird route in chapter 3, having to let Kris go down so toriel goes full mama bear (or goat in this case)

[@Much_Ado]

@@hexbug101 I would say less "how you _get_ the weird route", and more "how you stay _on_ the weird route". Especially because, as Kris would no longer be capable of acting on their own, it would further cement the theme that _we_ the player, not Kris, are the ones influencing people down these routes (edit) oh man, it'd be even better if we get the choice to take it or not, and Toriel thinks its a good idea to have, but we tell her that we trust _her_ to protect us, and _that's_ what sets up for this

[@ijustwantedtocomment8319]

@@Much_Ado I love that second idea so much, it matches so well with how much the player manipulated Noelle in chapter 2, in my opinion.

[@seanmchugh1981]

“You know who el-“

[@bandana5595]

@@seanmchugh1981 “-se I manipulated into committing mass genocide?”

[@luckytrap897]

I really like the detail that toriel has significantly more up than everyone else since shes, yknow, an adult

[@alsartsavience3512]

Well yeah, but also because she likely got stronger by burning up enemies along the way.

[@luckytrap897]

@@alsartsavience3512 I don't think that is a factor? Kris, and the gang are all children it makes sense for the only adult to be stronger than them

[@alsartsavience3512]

@@luckytrap897 I didn’t disagreed with your point, i just added that by the time Kris and Toriel reached the boss, she likely got even more HP than what she starts with (confirmed by one of the devs on reddit by the way).

[@BananaTrooper3650]

@@alsartsavience3512 So toriel is a member?

[@alsartsavience3512]

@@BananaTrooper3650 Definitely looks like it. My theory is that, just like with Noelle, Toriel will be the key to start the Weird Route in Chapter 3 and, after the requirements are met, she will fight with Kris against the secret boss instead of Susie and Ralsei.

[@silliestdonutl6098]

* Come to take out the trash, eh!? * well… w-we’re not gonna… go down that easy… * Yup yup! I think we should teach the spoiled heroes a lesson… * *For taking their lives for granted.* * We will not be forgotten, and will never forget those who abandoned us!! This is such a sick chapter 3 secret boss idea!! Gotta be the best one I’ve seen so far.

[@PeterPeter20]

The mechanical part of it give me chills for some reason, also the remix of a lot of soundtracks on a single one is amazing, that's it, this song is amazing

[@beepyyy]

I LOVE THAT TORIEL SPRITE. seriously her as like a fire mage is PERFECT

[@mastdavid60]

No matter what, out of all Secret Boss Concepts this one is the best when the upcoming Chapters Darkworld is build around Toriels house like now. It should represent the flowers that Asgore gives to Toriel that she rejects by throwing them in the trash if i'm right and let me be honest this Boss is the best represantation of it, it gives the vibes of a Deltarune Secret Boss with the 3D...munshing thing and the 2D Flowers. Of course we have to talk about it first: The Song is really really awesome, you clearly hear there are other undertale tracks in it with it's own theme and it sounds really good, I don't think Toby would not put Undertale Tracks into a Boss Fight like that but yeah the theme is very well done you can't say it's bad. And the other thing: It would have so much potential for a good and innovative Boss Fight that you can easily compare with Jevil and Spamton with it's own fighting and sparing concept. You could make like a Roulette table out of what flower you can hit for fighting, like you can hit and kill each one of these flowers and it depends on the emotion of the flower how the attack looks like, and yeah you could make it that this grey/blue creepy looking Flower can give you damage if you're attack lands on it, do you guys know what i'm talking about like it would be so cool. And it could give you a bit Lore of course so like you can get a little bit more of the light world and asgore as a character, I mean they both are not that interesting you can just predict what's coming in the next chapters through Dialog and locations but that's it. I think this Boss would be the best and coolest thing that we can get now for a Secret Boss and I'm sure it wouldn't be really a difficult thing to add it in Chapter 3, the only problem is that the secret Boss for Chapter 3 is probably already done before this Concept got released and there is no time to change that and it's all still all toby's creation and imagination so he decides what's gonna happen, but it doesn't matter, he's still really creative and will make something good for Deltarune so I'm not going to hate him for not adding this Boss he already has enough pressure from the Community

[@marielyager9654]

Im sorry but thst is WAY too much text

[@Zenitricious]

​@@marielyager9654then don't read it and move on doofus If you don't have the time to read a textwall then don't waste that OH PRECIOUS time commenting on it

[@killerkirby366]

The smell of rotting love fills the air It begs for your acceptance Don’t forget it please The smell of false hope fills you with pity

[@RamixNotRemix]

I can imagine that in this fight there's a small chance that one of the ducks head's is changed by Everyman's head

[@emitrioff]

I like how it looks like ferris wheel since jevil had carousel and spamton had roller coaster so it fits in with the carnival theme

[@marielyager9654]

OH GOD I JUST REAÑIZED THAT

[@drthvrdr]

I really love this boss concept. Aside from a lot of the other really cool things other have pointed out (the fact it's likely a reference to the flowers in the trash, the flowey reference), I love the fact that Toriel would show up and fight it, as it makes perfect sense for Toriel to be the perfect counter to it. Not only is it a plant and she wields fire, she was the one to throw it away in the first place. The thing that really sticks out to me though, is the worldplay with Hydrangea. It's a plant with multiplie heads, so what if it's literally a HYDRAngea? In the first phase; Kris, Susie, and Ralsei can't take it down because they don't have anything that can hit multiple targets at once and thus the heads always continue splitting, but once Toriel shows up, not only are Hydras weak to fire, but fire attacks are oftentimes multi-target attacks too, meaning she could take down all of the heads more efficiently. Not sure if the Hydra part was intentional but regardless, it's a really cool concept.

[@alsartsavience3512]

It's a neat concept, but i think it actually simply Kris and the group fighting in the normal route, while with Toriel in the Weird Route.

[@JustAMonth]

everyone talking about the leitmotifs..BUT AINT NOBODY GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT TRUMPET AND FLUTE PARTS THAT GIVE SUCH GOOSEBUMPS?!

[@BmuXD]

I love that 3d looking sprite, good job! This is impressive! I hope it gets more recognition! And the theme is really good!! 100/10

[@skirdus367]

i absolutely love all the leitmotifs present throughout this

[@mrkathooloo5711]

Dude, this is amazing! The music is awesome, not to mention how incredible the animations are. Seriously, it's so smooth it's creepy. Awesome job!

[@notapro6430]

Good lord this theme slaps

[@sanstheskeleton3279]

This looks absolutely incredible!, I love it!, the sprites look great and the song sounds really good!, amazing work!

[@SSL_2004]

The inclusion of Your Best Friend (Aggressive Flowers and Asriel), Battle Against a True Hero (Green SOUL) and Asgore and Heartache (The thrown away flowers signifying Toriel and Asgore's divorce) is amazingly fitting. Lol. (Not to mention the Shadow Crystal Boss Motif)

[@finkhennipman-hin5076]

Insted od "the air crackels with freedom" I would say flowers are blooming and later in the fight chance it to on days like these

[@phrogcandy9298]

I like to imagine that hydrangea is the flowers toriel thrown into the trashcan

[@darkecstaticcomment]

Then this secret boss must hate toriel

[@valodia1]

toriel be like: dont worry kris i have taken care of asgore's flowers before i got this

[@supuhmon3217]

I love that “Hydrangea” is also a pun on “hydra”, with it having multiple heads.

[@TheRedMC]

Mate, the music for this is INSANE. And everything else about it, too. Phenomenal concept for a secret boss, holy crap

[@juanjerez1609]

That dark world Toriel sprite is GOD TIER 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@smeesssme4261]

There was other looking Sprites from leeks of Toriel

[@smeesssme4261]

But those weren't as cool

[@Golporos33]

Gaster be like: "Guys, I trolled some depressed flowers".

[@-ArdhaniChandra]

This probably some sort of theory about the discarded things. Fountain was made by someone (we don't know that likely to use Kris body). The purpose of Fountain is to animate object and unliving things so people know them if they were alive Joker card always discarded when playing card. The player likely the kids in the school and so the reason why the Fountain was made there. The purpose of Fountain is to show Jevil are lonely (Joker) and want to play too (showed he want to play with the gang) E-mail spam always ignored and discarded. Among the spam is likely promotion of things from a Salesman who tried their best just to live. Not everyone seems to be interested or able to afford a computer so a place where there's lot of computer (cyber world) is the Library and Fountain was made there. The purpose of the Fountain is to show Spamton (Spam of Salesman promotion who did his best to live) was to be taken notice as they're exist like how Spamton tried his best to show Kris that "I'm here" What do y'all think about chapter 3? A bouquet of Flower for the loved one that always discarded, just to rot in vain and the Fountain was made in the house of the loved one tho show the feeling of the flowers as they said "we've been nurtured with LOVE, why you don't LOVE us? Are we not beautiful enough?"

[@user-id3fc8qs7y]

The song is an absolute banger. It really looks like one of the possible themes for next "secret" bosses

[@CalamitasCalliope]

A very good secret boss concept. I also really like that you show what I'm assuming is the weird route equivalent of the fight in the second half. It looks sick, the music is amazing, and it makes me wish i could play this

[@djtabor]

The next character everyone will fall in love with because for someone reason people love all the secret characters

[@JoseRicardoAraujoDosSantos]

Bet its 100% gonna be cause of the vines, when a character is squid or plant like, vine go in vagina

[@volnartheunforgiving3952]

I love this and the concept of Asgore's discarded bouquet becoming sort of a representation of Kris having to deal with the divorce, it also perfectly fits the themes with the secret bosses At first I wasn't the biggest fan of the sort of wind up piranha plant thing, it's sort of covering up the main boss sprite a little and it looks a little odd, but it's good I also love the detail of the bow, just like in the alarm clock It's also cool how the positioning of the duck boats actually makes it seem like the party is being chased around the whirlpool

[@TheAdvertisement]

Holy crap that pixel art is some of the smoothest and coolest Ch3 secret boss concept I've seen!

[@richbrine64]

Hear me out: The secret boss SOUL order in deltarune is the True Pacifist SOUL order reversed. Red =Jevil/Asriel Yellow = Spamton/Mettaton And so if it does turn out that the flower toriel threw in the trash becomes the secret boss, it should grant the purple soul, with its vines would be what replaces the webs.

[@caramelsgr]

Could be the reverse Omega Flowey/broken equipment order too, which would make this the green SOUL

[@slugindetub]

looks like something straight out of Super Paper Mario, this is SO COOL!

[@patty5097]

You know the heads of the hydra remind me of a pinwheel. and The body looks like one of those windable bath toys.

[@grayishgray-]

YOU JUST GAVE ME LIKE 5 BRAND NEW IDEAS THANKS SO MUCH MAN

[@thegreatdraco3923]

I've watched this video several times in my life, and I just noticed that the flower heads take turns looking directly at us! What an awesome and subtle nod to Flowey.

[@gaminggranny1541]

If there's a version of this without the intro sequence to be more loopable, that would be greater than great!

[@martinmoraurena4155]

What you do is that you google yout (not KZbin itself) enter the link of the vid, cut the part ya wanna cut and download it (not the best quality but atleast it is p decent) Finally what i saw in computer class comes in handy ^-^

[@Helpames]

Finale Drums Battle Against a True Hero The World Revolving Finale Asgore Heartache Fallen Down (Last few notes)

[@damoonguy3743]

Imagine the forgotten princess from Bob T. C.'s Chapter 3 was the final boss, this was the secret, and then they both teamed up for the weird route for Thorns of Agony.

[@ChaseVaccaro-ge3gk]

Cool ass idea. Maybe they're both secret, but this one has loads of mechanics to work around, and the other one has constant bullet waves, and those two concepts end up combining and being the ultimate mind screw.

[@issjgohan8488]

imagine if the yellow flower randomly says "You really are an idiot" every so often

[@marinator_666]

flowey has 6 petals the yellow one only has 5

[@issjgohan8488]

@@marinator_666 it is joke

[@marinator_666]

@@issjgohan8488 it is not a joke you didn't make a joke

[@issjgohan8488]

@marinator_666 whatever you wanna think over a youtube comment pal

[@marinator_666]

@@issjgohan8488 you're making a marinator mad now u gotta pay me money

[@MYHEARTFEELSDEADINSIDE]

Wow, this was incredible! I loved the visuals and the music is so great! Amazing! (99 subscribers? time to be your 100th subscriber!)

[@YuunaQUEXYYEN]

I like the concept that the shadow mantle gave you a power of green soul

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

The leitmotifs here match the concept pretty well, along with the new one: (SPOILERS about both games) 0:37 Undyne here, probably for the possibility that she will be in the next chapter. It also ties to the theme correlation between the secret bosses so far and the bosses in the Genocide route backwards. 1:23 your best friend, because flowers related to a tragedy between the Dreamur's family. Also variations of Jevil's theme. 1:27 Toriel, because she threw these flowers alway

[@polocatfan]

undyne also relating to the green soul mode.

[@Danieh12]

Love this, so well done and overall and interesting concept!

[@calbum7078]

I love the concept of a fight against asgore's flowers, and the fight gives me bug fables vibes

[@MJMcKenzie322]

I was thinking that exact same thing

[@blackburne2110]

I dont think anyone has said this, but i love how the 4 heads shifting from looking at kris and looking at the 4th wall. Its like they know you, the player, are there

[@Zenitricious]

1 is always looking and dancing

[@embee753]

I thought this was real for a second.

[@mayo4685]

My headcanon for these guys is that they want to spread joy and love and wanted to help Kris especially, but they mistook the person who through them away with Kris. Which is the reason they fight them. Each of the heads would have their own personality. The yellow is joyful wanting to fight Kris the least. Red would be constantly angry, wanting Kris dead the most and is likely the one to attack Kris in the weird route. Blue is slightly lazy and also quite sad and only smiles as a way to match up with it's partners, they mainly because it's fair and not out of spite. Gray (who seems to be related to Gaster), doesn't show much emotion despite it's smile, and speaks in all caps and also in a more cryptic manner, for reason of attacking, probably just because the others are.

[@theidiotsandwich8147]

this looks like a paper mario boss and i love it

[@TheDexplorer2011]

I love all the little details like that the 3d mouth as like fish dragon part which fits perfectly with the ost because it contains part of the song from battle against a true hero PS I searched the name of the song

[@bandband4498]

Tag yourself! Yellow: Truck freak Red: Crazy ass Grey: *друг* Blue: The fighter

[@alsartsavience3512]

Finally, someone that gets it.

[@SkullandBones-js9rg]

Grey: *цветок*

[@SuspiciousTemmie]

Nice, you have a KZbin channel now! :D Your take on a fanmade Chapter 3 is legitimately the best one I've ever seen, I'm glad I can support you on here since I don't have Twitter.

[@torracatt.c.e2845]

That's what secret bosses in deltarune should be, parts of Kris's personality, having connections. And there's people who think that Mike will be ch3 secret boss

[@birb70]

I agree with that but does Jevil represent or relate to anything of Kris? Spamton does ofc, as they both have some kind of control issue but Jevil’s just… there

[@torracatt.c.e2845]

@@birb70 Jevil represents Kris being an outcast i think

[@martinmoraurena4155]

​@@torracatt.c.e2845I think it's more that each represent one of the main cast, idk

[@skell6134]

Finally,someone using correct hp amount for chapter XD

[@garynumber22]

Flowers? What could that b- THE FLOWERS TORIEL THREW IN THE TRASH!

[@beefoon9517]

It'd be interesting to see how this would work, especially since it appears you can either fight the Immortal Hydrangea using either the Fun Gang or just Kris and Toriel

[@alsartsavience3512]

The team will likely elaborate on the fight and the weird route in chapter 3 eventually.

[@MintyMoron64]

The one with Toriel seems to be the Weird Route variant of the fight

[@alsartsavience3512]

@@MintyMoron64 Yeah, that’s confirmed.

[@etstinguty1276]

This is incredible good job!

[@miguelanimacoes19]

oh my god this is incredibly epic! the flowers that toriel threw away now fighting toriel herself, amazing animation and genius concepts, keep it up :D

[@BenG6509]

Well that IS what she gets

[@yourworstdoggo5113]

This was really well made, good job bro

[@Kanerudo]

I'm actually 99% sure that the flowers will be the optional boss. And I like the idea that King's cape returns (after it escaped like a bat) Jevil: The Joker in card games that gets discarded (put in the box = small prison) Spamton: Spam Emails which also getting discarded Fun fact: Our ch1 character also got discarded😉 Will it be an optional boss, too? I think they will

[@_skyfall_multi_5848]

Response to the fun fact: I sincerely freaking hope so. The vessel could be perfect for a return in a late chapter, from 5-7. If it's a secret boss, a final boss, or it even just makes an appearance and says a one-liner, i want to see it again

[@cybercider6620]

I personally think the vessel is the knight, it seems like such a meta and toby thing to do, especially given the inspirations he’s listed for deltarune

[@jtjs6096]

1:43 I forgot that Toriel was also in chapter 3. She looks sick, it makes sense that she is a magic caster.

[@KatsyFNF]

This is phenomenally creative.

[@alsartsavience3512]

Okay, it took me a LONG time to even notice it, but behind the Blossoms i think there's something that looks like a cog wheel with 2 pointy looking leaves attached to it? I guess it is consistent with the Immortal Hydrangea having the windup key attached to it.

[@kiwiscananimate]

this i problably the closest guess to the secret boss i've seen so far