Deluge Gaza -- Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Razia Iqbal, Colter Louwerse

LIVE ON AVENUE C, a conversation series by OR Books
On the current catastrophe in Gaza with Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Colter Louwerse, moderated by Razia Iqbal.
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About the Book:
DELUGE: Gaza and Israel from Crisis to Cataclysm
Edited by JAMIE STERN-WEINER
Foreword by AVI SHLAIM
With Contributions by
MUSA ABUHASHHASH, AHMED ALNAOUQ, NATHAN J. BROWN, YANIV COGAN, CLARE DALY MEP, TALAL HANGARI, KHALED HROUB, R. J., COLTER LOUWERSE, MITCHELL PLITNICK, MOUIN RABBANI, SARA ROY, AND AVI SHLAIM
SARA ROY, AND AVI SHLAIM
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Table of Contents:
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0:00:00 Introduction and opening remarks; the event is a book launch for "Deluge"
0:06:14 ️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities
0:12:55 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation
0:20:47 ️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications
0:27:26 The current state of affairs
0:29:11 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation
0:42:53 ️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy
0:48:31 ️ Two-state versus one-state solution
0:56:54 ️ The need for a moral reckoning
0:59:49 Potential for change and public perception
1:04:22 ️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance
1:24:30 The challenge of changing Israeli society
1:28:26 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes
1:34:10 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society
(credit: @nawafdreams)
#gaza #palestine #normanfinkelstein #slavojzizek #mouinrabbani #orbooks

[@gojiplusone]

Never thought I'd see Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek being that close to a disco ball.

[@paulchampagne-hx9ob]

I wouldn't waste my time listening to Zizek anymore. Since he's now recycling his own stolen stories now. However he was in a room with Finkelstein.

[@ReverseTranscriptase]

Slavoj has lost a ton of weight - good on him! Maybe his condition will clear up if he keeps this up.

[@mandarine1007]

😂😂😂

[@mandarine1007]

@@paulchampagne-hx9obbig words! Everybody deserves respect, even you after that unnecessary comment

[@nightoftheworld]

@@paulchampagne-hx9obwhat exactly don’t you like about Zizek’s views?

[@zasterheffor]

This video is criminally underviewed.

[@Helios--]

Yes. I just wish they had better audio!

[@DemonetisedZone]

Such a blessing for someone like me sitting in my flat in Glasgow 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to be able to look and listen to people who have a deep knowledge of the subject 👏😊

[@Mohamed_El-derderi]

Likewise, only substitute Glasgow with Aberdeen

[@5.1displaysystem53]

Eyyy Glesgae here tae!

[@infiniteindieclub]

Howdy fae Dundee

[@safanamakhdoomable]

Mouin Rabbani is also incredibly knowledgeable and has a great sense how to speak publicly

[@damian4351]

He gets somehow overlooked even though he has amazing ability to speak eloquently and respond with great points.

[@vleontis8940]

@@damian4351 I agree with you. Mouin is less sensational (if I may use this word) and more low key than Norman and definitely Slavoj. I like his composure and the knowledge capital he brings to such discussions.

[@vleontis8940]

@@damian4351 👍🏼

[@troubadour0663]

​@@vleontis8940I think the word you're looking for is "less sensationalist"

[@nisrinemarchoude5015]

I find Mouin's structured thought astonishing. He spots fallacies and responds by flawless arguments every time.

[@nazimbahrin3638]

I will continue to support the Prof and anyone fighting for justice and humanities!

[@boogeymanundertaker]

you support hamas and terrorism

[@LynaGalliara]

I have enormous respect for the moderator Razia Iqbal for the intelligence, confidence, and eloquence she displayed, moderating a talk of such importance, featuring so many great minds.

[@raihanasaadouni447]

in times like these, I thank god for the invention of the internet! what a privilege to be able to watch this from the comfort of one's living room

[@zacharyholley9520]

You’d be better off thanking the people who invented the internet, rather then a non existent deity. To which god are you praising? There are so many options

[@cicolas_nage]

@@zacharyholley9520 wow you're so smart and not at all an insufferable pedant

[@zacharyholley9520]

@@cicolas_nage Thanks, I am smart. Glad you took notice.

[@bigollameo]

What a panel! Thanks to all the members. Will pick up a copy of "Deluge Gaza" soon.

[@Marxist2]

I wish Norman Finkelstein would go on forever spreading his knowledge & wisdom. Thank you for having him on this panel.

[@Orion-lt3zz]

buy his books then.

[@greguretzky3749]

Norman Finkelstein is a selective historian even his quotes are never full, he always selects what will serve his narrative.. this behavior of his cause to the situation we are.. hiding the truth or telling half of it's a crime! I say so thing I thought he is telling the truth till I checked his quotes... and all of them were picky.. check me.. please

[@dLehman]

@@greguretzky3749so we should go and check all his quotes?? Why don’t you ‘select’ some of his selective quotes for us to prove your point. That would be wise. Also, how is his behaviour of being ‘selective’ cause for the situation that we are in.. what situation? You mean he’s responsible for the genocide that Israel is committing against the Palestinians? Such a tall order.. the burden of proof for this rests on your shoulders, mate!

[@promark5317]

@@greguretzky3749 Eli Lake is that you?

[@ChannelMath]

@@greguretzky3749 no. why don't you give us just one? we're not your research assistant.

[@fairdose]

Holy Shit! Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek on the same panel???? This should be broadcast on every progressive KZbin channel!

[@kucutooms8685]

These are the discussion that should be made on mainstream media, nt the constant discussion abt politicians' shenanigans.....

[@vleontis8940]

All four panelists bring something invaluable to this discussion. I bypass Norman (who is of course the giant anywhere) and I want to draw attention to Slavoj and Colter. Slavoj explained (in his own inimitable way) the state of mind of European political and intellectual leaders. Their double standard is so entrenched in their minds and milieux that they are unable to see it or recognize its illogical and morally vile nature. Germany is the worst of all, but in general, are no longer rational people - with exception of the Irish (so far). This is what any reasonable movement for the liberation of Palestine has to deal with. It’s important to know the background and Slavoj brought it out for us. And watch Colter. He is a great researcher and painstaking chronicler of the situation. He is the future Norman Finkelstein.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Tremendous points. Thank you. When I read something like this, I always ask what you're reading that you might recommend. 😊

[@dvegule920]

Does Mr. Zizek finally see the EU crooked nature. Because he didn't seem to be aware of it to the beginning of the Ukraine war.

[@vleontis8940]

@@l.w.paradis2108 Thank you. I suggest Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” (great historian) and an old, old small book by Noam Chomsky “Manufacturing Consent.” There are a lot of publications on Palestine and many of them are by Israeli or Jewish scholars. I just ordered “Deluge” because it’s a recent update.

[@djvincekline7338]

You forget the Spanish. Both the civilians and the political leaders of Spain are standing firm behind Palestine and will continue to do so.

[@Falafel556]

Norm and Rabbani are the one two punch the best !!!

[@sandrajayne5446]

NORM: passion unleashed and Rabbani: heartbreaking revelations, ❤❤❤🇸🇩🇸🇩

[@warikito]

I agree, both of them are unbelievable knowledgeable about Palestine and its cruel occupation. I keep listening to them learning volumes of information.

[@stellabrown909]

Thank you so much Professor Norman for getting fully involved in the debates and talks on Gaza, I have learnt so much from you on this topic of the prolonged struggle for freedom of the lovely people of Gaza, I pray and hope that you get to see this day come. I will never forget you as long as I live. so thank you, thank you.

[@lucavelli9723]

💖lovely

[@thairk]

Great Panel discussions by all participants. Good for you Zizek that you reflected in what you said the last months and avoided be part of the dead Europe and dirty place at which Habermas and alike occupy now.

[@jonathanshihadeh]

If this was in germany they would all get arrested

[@martinkupp9544]

Unfortunately, this is true. Our discourse here in Germany is just awful ...

[@djvincekline7338]

Including Norman and they would call him an antisemite :-D They do the same with Avi Schlaim, rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss (a rabbi!), Gabor Maté and Illan Pappé (Holocaust survivors) etc etc etc...

[@b-sideplank]

the first time I listened to a Zizek talk completely 😂 To his credit, he spoke with much clarity.

[@Tawahaj]

I got used to his way of talking very fast. First time I found it unbearable though 😂

[@CrazyLinguiniLegs]

⁠@@Tawahajsame. At first I was like, “I can’t even focus on what this guy is saying.” But several videos later, I barely noticed his glitches anymore.

[@marcomarek7734]

​@@Tawahajit's quite a normal tempo 😅

[@safanamakhdoomable]

Norman is such a BOSS - moves me to tears sometimes - incredibly just person

[@jaialaiwarrior]

He probably moves himself to tears also, especially with his solitary social life and how much he loves the sound of him own voice.

[@HughCurranAedh]

Norman and Colter speak with admirable clarity. The situation in Gaza is so depressing that any level of clarity is uplifting...Rabbani said it well as an Israeli leadership is made up of children and have run amok, not comprehending the consequences; In the extreme impunity that is evident in the destruction of Gaza, one must look also at those who support it and allow it to take place. But as Norman said, 80% of Israeli society supports what is taking place. It has become "such an ugly place" and the position it has placed itself, "it is horrible" and Israeli society is not seeing what it has done. Is there a "capacity for self-reform" in Israel?

[@koyou22]

Hi Hugh, I'm an Israeli and I, along with the majority of my statesmen, am misrepresented by Norman. By Normans own admissions he has never been to Israel, doesn't understand the Israeli mentality because he, "doesn't want to" (see lex Friedman's debate), and consistently misrepresents the history (see that same podcast episode which hosted left leaning Israeli historian Beni Morris). There is plenty of internal dialogue in Israel about the current situation. We are a liberal western democracy, we do not celebrate death or violence, we did not initiate the current round of conflict in Gaza. Israel had been pursuing a policy of de-escalation in Gaza up to Oct. 7th. There had been an increase in the number of Gazan Palestinians, who are not Israeli citizens, allowed in to Israel to work, get medical treatment, or travel around the country. Qatari money had been flowing into Gaza at regular intervals, Gazan farmers were selling produce in Israel, and the education, health, infant mortality rate, and other objective markers of life quality were better than in most places in the middle east. This is part of the reason Oct. 7th caught so many Israelis off guard, we had been working hard to try and stabilize the situation and make it better. The current situation is obviously horrible for everyone involved. However, we currently have 133 hostages in the hands of an Islamic extremist organization who has made it clear that they have no intention of returning them. The way things are right now, if we stop we are capitulating to terrorists. The Palestinian people deserve better than their leadership, but we have an obligation to ensure that this kind of action is not seen as a viable strategy by our enemies. Humanitarian aid should flow in as much as possible, and all efforts should be made to minimize civilian casualties, but under no circumstances can Hamas remain in power in Gaza and in control of Israeli civilians (some of which are women children and infants). I'm not sure where you are from, but I'm sure that you would hope that if you found yourself in a similar fate, that your country would do everything in its power to bring you back home.

[@immortalnightbody]

@@koyou22 This is the longest, most poorly-written lie that I have seen in quite some time. Hamas exists because of your lies. Nothing you've said is true. Hamas exists because you and your European ancestors think you have ethnic ties to the land when you do not. No one is buying the bullshit anymore. Might as well talk to a wall.

[@pratika6352]

I can see why Finkelstein is not interested in visiting Israel. In that long comment lauding your hard work to stabilise relations, all you have described is how you are trying to make a open-air prison viable. You also want the world to appreciate that after dispossessing a population, you are offering them jobs, health, etc. We have not even begun talking about the illegal settlers in West Bank. All in all, it seems pretty obvious how Israelis are quite unable to have any serious dialogue among themselves. They have just come to accept that they are "a western liberal democracy" somehow relocated into the east, and that they will go to no end of violence and deceit to keep things that way.

[@koyou22]

@@pratika6352 I'm sure you have also never been to Israel, and that you likely never will. You've been so inundated with anti-zionist, anti-Israel, and sometimes anti-semetic propaganda that I probably couldn't say anything you wouldn't find fault with. Mostly the people Israelis are most able to have a dialogue with are Arab Israelis and Palestinians. The people who actually live in this region, who actually have the true and full picture of what's happening, don't make the points you make. They know what the true issues are both within their own society and in Israeli society. It's is not true that Gaza is an "open air prison" as you described. I've seen the quality of life there with my own eyes. The restrictions that are put on Gaza stem from the practicalities of sharing a border with a territory run by Islamic extremists who openly state in their charter, and at any available opportunity, that they want to kill you. The dispossession that you speak of was born of the Palestinians own repeated decision to pursue violence instead of diplomacy. If you attack someone for wanting to live with you or near you, and then you fail to kill them, and you continue to loudly tell them that you will kill them at the first opportunity, then don't expect them to trust you or go out of their way to make your life better. Mostly people are ignorant of the violent history and modern attacks committed by Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians happening on a daily basis in Israel. Probably in your case you even think that it's justified, which is a common theme in the Arab world. A wall with Arabs living on one side and Israelis living on the other seems racist, till you look at the second intifada where Israeli civilians were being blown up on commuter busses and restaurants every day. Before the second intifada, for 30 years, there was no separation fence. Today there are almost no suicide attacks in Israel. The Palestinians, in most cases, made their bed, and now are complaining loudly that they don't want to lie in it. Though honestly, I don't think that you are interested in finding solutions to this conflict, because you have no real skin in the game, this is just some interesting topic of discussion for you. You are Muslim, they are Muslim, you root for the home team, regardless of if they are right or not.

[@Themrsnappyify]

@@koyou22 you are spouting propaganda while telling other people they are brainwashed, you are justifying genocide you fool. wake up

[@jorgeadame5158]

Norm is such a big balls humanist. Respect

[@HelbergProductions]

It is interesting to note how Zizek (uncharacteristically) never interjects with a question or joke when the other panelists speak here. It shows how much he genuinely respects their insights and expertise.

[@ADogNamedElmo]

He never interjects other panelists

[@aisharasheed8225]

Norman is a legend and the rock star of Palestinian cause… thank you Norman

[@tameemmohsen]

What an amazing panel!! Great minds and hearts sitting side by side

[@oktayakbas4904]

didn't Slavoj Zizek say "Russians are worse than those Arabs!!" recently on Piers Morgan or something? Do I remember right?

[@jaialaiwarrior]

They all look about as miserable as their cause.

[@lalodaniels1388]

I want my only child to be as principled a human being as Norman Finklestein.

[@noahghost4476]

Fink is a sneaky liar. He tried to say he didn't know how bad oct 7 was until 10 days later. His argument is based on the writings of Benny Morris, who says Fink misinterpreted. Israel was attacked over and over and over. Intolerant, hateful people tricked you into supporting evil.

[@tonybanks1035]

you're living in a crazy period in which a demented extremist that praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorists has the reputation of a great humanist. There has rarely been more moral confusion in the west than currently.

[@DavidDemurs]

You want him to hate himself and be a hypocrite?

[@lalodaniels1388]

@@DavidDemurs@DavidDemurs, I want my daughter to dedicate her life to never being afraid and always being honest. That is a righteous person.

[@lalodaniels1388]

​@@Liberte-bq5rc, you don't know what you're talking about. It would help if you were more transparent; that way, no one would be confused or misunderstand any facts. I also want my daughter to have the ability to communicate facts clearly, another Norman Finkelstein skill. I suppose it's easy when you are as honest as he is.

[@TheInternetFan]

Slavoj Zizek is just awesome! He's so passionate when he points out the fallacies of German politicians in regards to the vengeance of the IDF on Gazawi civilians. He just quoted Primo Levi 22:45 , one of my favourite Italian authors. ❤

[@tahalaperigo9771]

I agree with Slavoj Norman has to be by far the most admired person historically with admirable honest of historical facts and knowledge like no other person I know. Respect.

[@raheem4real]

Norman the world's most well-read velociraptor. He's so dedicated he's willing to sit in this room in those hot clothes under that lamp, even at his age. My dad would have refused to do this like even 10 years AGO

[@hamonryechinaski180]

Can't wait to buy this book. Jamie has done a great job getting chapters off all these great people.

[@darling_tonia]

What a great panal! Such a fan of Mouin Rabbani, whose dry contempt for the racism and hypocrisy of the Zs is one of the only things keeping me sane for the last half year...

[@jylyhughes5085]

Norman is utterly magnificent

[@conorknapp6764]

I am glad to see a panel with figures like Finkelstein and Zizek on it since, while they are both undeniably leftist thinkers, they have held radically different views on the situation in Gaza and I believe a lot can be gained as a listener from hearing different viewpoints rather than having a group who simply agree with each other on every point of the issue. And to anyone who mocks Slavoj for his speech impediment, you are the fool staring at the wise man’s finger while he points to the moon

[@Leftseat52UT]

Excellent presentation! So sorely needed! Thank you!

[@Goodspaceguy]

My partner and I are in Brooklyn and super bummed we missed this

[@FrankReif]

I'm shocked the algorithm allowed me to find this.

[@lucavelli9723]

Exactly

[@galmunk]

Way, i got it and im Israeli, idias are like water, easy to spread, regardless of reality or substance solutions. Its in the benefits of china and Russia thet the west will despite between each other

[@deanmcinerney2324]

Why? As soon as you look at Palestine on YT it all comes up. Google has behaved itself compared with Meta.

[@merzoukanis7550]

me too man

[@BatkoMakhno-go1sr]

Everyone was on point as usual but Zizek was especially spitting, his insights are so original and important, I love that man

[@Lmoes]

For a split second I misread the video title as including the names "Deleuze" and "Žižek" and got excited. What I actually watched was to me equally interesting. Thank you for the upload

[@juliusseizure591]

Same haha

[@Lmoes]

​@@juliusseizure591hehe, I'm happy to hear that I wasn't the only one

[@t-man1385]

Norman and Rabbani. So much respect

[@AtakanAltay]

closing the window and saying no problem. People who call themselves philosophers always do this. thank you norman

[@crackthefoundation_]

Thanks all! ❤🇵🇸

[@shanihandel9621]

Excellent, thank you! ✊❤️🇵🇸

[@samsue2924]

Wow, what a line up.

[@Chowringhee]

Outstanding in every respect. These are true humanitarians in the best sense of the word. Great to see Razia, too.

[@FenrirFluffyFreyja]

Maybe we need to have the Israelis take a walk inside Palestine Gaza to see with their own eyes what has been going on to help them change just like was done to German people at the end of ww2.

[@itzelouise8714]

Noo they will start building houses and picking lands immediately 😤

[@richardwillford2418]

Maybe the Gazans should take a walk in the villages were babies were beheaded and children forced to witness the murder of their parents? Oh, that's right, they already did.

[@DipherOneCICrew]

Wouldve loved to hear Alain Badiou on this panel, he went through a similar thjng to Slavoj earlier jn the 2000s when he wrote about Israel/Palestine and being accused publicly of antisemitism. Great panel tho, Norman is truly a great man.

[@user-eo6uz7ck7x]

Mind blowing discussions, thank you all for standing up for justice.

[@MsIdiot000]

SUCH GREAT MINDS AND PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY AND INTELLIGENCE IN ONE PLACE. AWESOME. ❤

[@IMA321]

I'm a simple man. I see Norman Finkelstein, I click.

[@Zagros_1948]

From which side ?? 😂😂😂

[@lilnoir4213]

@@Zagros_1948 From the jew hating side of course.

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

@@lilnoir4213 🤡

[@lucavelli9723]

@@lilnoir4213 try something new and creative. That has been exhausted to the point that it no longer means what is intended to mean. Norman dismantled all this fake narrative single-handedly.

[@lilnoir4213]

​@@lucavelli9723 Intresting, before you even know my critic you can already dismiss it. You are in deep propaganda my friend :)

[@onatone]

Ty for re-uploading this with better sound 🙏

[@22many77]

how about just cut out that crypto fascist zizek

[@meshzzizk]

@@22many77 🙄🙄🙄

[@paulalexander5358]

'NO SILVER LINING IN A GENOCIDE'...that's PURE GOLD...!!!

[@lucavelli9723]

What a fascinating meeting. This is a great source of knowledge for those particularly interested in the P and I conflict. I wish all people can watch this instead of watching incompetent reporters on mainstream media. These are real competent intellectuales who report and document knowledge objectively and transparently. People should listen to these for truth. Otherwise they are giving chance to agenda-driven institutions to brainwash them.

[@zovalentine7305]

" Every life is a whole world " ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Good grief, always saw through Habermas. Never could stand him.

[@nawafdreams]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📚 Introduction and opening remarks* - The event is a book launch for "Deluge," which explores the ongoing crisis in Gaza, - The book highlights the historical context and recent developments in the conflict, - The panelists will discuss the crisis and its potential ramifications. 06:14 *🕊️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities* - The PLO and Hamas have both expressed willingness for a two-state solution, - Israel and the US have consistently rejected or undermined Palestinian peace initiatives, - The current crisis is a consequence of missed opportunities for peace. 12:55 *🎤 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation* - The claim that Hamas attacked Israel to disrupt a Saudi-Israeli normalization agreement is unfounded, - Such an agreement was unlikely due to US commitments requiring Congressional approval, - Hamas's attack was motivated by broader regional and international neglect of the Palestinian issue. 20:47 *🗣️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications* - Zizek faced accusations of anti-semitism for acknowledging Palestinian suffering at a German book fair, - He criticizes the depoliticization of the conflict and the unconditional support for Israel in Germany, - Zizek draws parallels between the current situation and the failures of European Enlightenment ideals. 27:26 *🎭 The current state of affairs* - Israel has become increasingly reliant on criminal gangs to control the West Bank, - The Israeli political spectrum has shifted further to the right, with no center or left, - Recent events mark a dangerous new era in the conflict. 29:11 *💪 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation* - South Africa's application to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the Gaza crisis is a significant development, - The ICJ's ruling against Israel and the support from various countries offer a glimmer of hope, - The persistence of young activists and the resilience of the Palestinians inspire continued efforts for change. 42:53 *⚖️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy* - Public opinion in the US is shifting towards recognizing the illegitimacy of Israel's actions, - Senator Schumer's recent speech shows a more balanced view of the conflict, - The New York Times comment section reflects a growing understanding of Palestinian rights. 48:31 *🗺️ Two-state versus one-state solution* - Western politicians use the two-state solution as a distraction from their actions that perpetuate the conflict, - Despite challenges, a two-state solution remains feasible, but its desirability is increasingly questioned, - The current Israeli government's stance makes negotiations impossible, and the conflict may continue for a long time. 56:54 *⚖️ The need for a moral reckoning* The high death toll in Gaza demands a moral reckoning for the failure to protect innocent civilians, Western media often downplays or justifies the suffering in Gaza, placing blame on Hamas, It is crucial to challenge this narrative and expose the reality of Israel's actions. 59:49 *✊ Potential for change and public perception* Public recognition of Palestine by several European countries is a positive sign, It is important to shift public perception beyond acknowledging suffering to understanding its root causes, Changing public discourse and challenging dominant narratives are crucial steps in the struggle for justice. 01:01:22 *🗣️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance* The brutal blockade and repeated attacks on Gaza have left Palestinians with limited options, Diplomatic efforts and non-violent resistance, such as the Great March of Return, have failed to bring about change, The lack of response to Israel's violence against peaceful protesters raises questions about the effectiveness of non-violent strategies. 01:24:30 *🤨 The challenge of changing Israeli society* - The protest movement in Israel focuses on specific issues like hostage release and judicial reforms but largely avoids addressing the Palestinian question, - Israeli society's long-standing impunity and sense of superiority make it difficult to envision significant change from within, - External pressure and accountability may be necessary to bring about meaningful reform. 01:28:26 *🧱 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes* - The current war is not solely attributable to Netanyahu but reflects a broader societal consensus in Israel, - Polling data indicates overwhelming support for Israel's use of force in Gaza, with a significant portion favoring even greater escalation, - Transforming Israeli society will require addressing deep-rooted ideological issues of Jewish superiority and Arab inferiority. 01:34:10 *😨 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society* - The recent events have led to a sense of disillusionment and insecurity among Israelis, particularly those in Tel Aviv who previously enjoyed a sense of normalcy, - There is a growing trend of disinvestment in the national project, with many considering leaving the country, - This internal shift adds complexity to the situation and raises questions about the future of Israeli society. 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[@koshka02]

Oh wow, all the superstars. What a treat this is.

[@ferdwenen4892]

Wauw.. this line up is something else

[@saqibsultantemuri2437]

Such a deep dive Discussion. What a shame KZbin trying to suppress this gathering. Two days online now, with those names, only 29k views with 1.5k likes, 300 comments.

[@EM-od6yr]

Appreciated Colter's contributions. Was very direct about the ways in which Israel has always acted in bad faith, and in pointing out the media's role in misinforming the public and coming up with false narratives.

[@simonsteen-andersen3181]

Thank you for this conversation

[@joesabet2001]

Going to buy right now! Good to know, great presentation! ❤

[@Salman-sc8gr]

What did they do to Arafat after he bent backwards to accept Oslo? Barricaded in his residence, cut off electricity and finally poisoned him.

[@michaelmcdonagh5104]

Yes

[@burimsaliji23]

Thank you for speaking on the side of humanity and justice, cruelty and hatred towards Palestinians is demonic and should be condemned by anyone who has a decent heart in their body.. thank you 🙏♥️

[@DrXtoph]

Thank you!

[@DrXtoph]

Thank you.

[@dieterbarkhoff1328]

Hooray for Nicaragua!!!!!

[@paulshafee7798]

Wonderful event, many more please O/R books

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

If anyone is interested in a conversation with the attorney from Nicaragua, see The Grayzone.

[@Heinrick192]

Thank the algorithm for bringing me here. Great panel!

[@saeedmir7999]

thank you guys.

[@Tily0507]

Wow. Thank you whoever put these people together.

[@WordToMomsYo]

Damnit, I wish i had known in advance about this event, would've loved to have been in attendance. At any rate, thanks for the upload!

[@rez_tu]

Wow 😮what an amazing panel ❤

[@mogh2603]

Norman is my hero, he is a living saint , I have enormous respect and love for him

[@user-we8tw7xu1b]

Bravo

[@disneykilledstarwars]

4k video, thank YOU very much

[@ingridhildebrandt8053]

Slavoj is right. It is awful in germany, you cannot say anything about israel- palestine and you will get aggressively attacked. It may happen that you have to pay a fine or even be jailed.

[@Tawahaj]

It was predictable that germany would take such a stand on everything that has to do with Israel. The antisemitic crimes of the third reich effectively constitute the original sin of postmodern morality and a perceived hereditary debt to Israel was to be expected.

[@spooky_mane]

Thank you for this video!

[@stellamillburn6145]

Brilliant panel, brilliant discussion, thank you all so much

[@shysonofficial]

thanks for this, sharing knowledge is the key to peace

[@user-ix7qb4du6k]

Deleuze's treatment of Nietzsche's of "resentemont' ( (French... as Nietzche intended)... in his book "Nietzsche "... Screams. Why is Zizek the only person speaking fluently at this event.... except for the Chair Lady. Hats off to Chair Lady and Zizek. Awesome. I need this. I'll pay you back latter. Great thanks, James.

[@hughmac13]

_Ressentiment._ French, as Nietzsche intended (to translate or not being a central question for the philologist), but arising from the lack of a suitable term in the German.

[@DipherOneCICrew]

Nietzsche had the diametrically opposite view to Rousseau regarding pity. Not sure if Nietzsche would have much value in a discussion such as this

[@irabraus9478]

Slavoj exposes the obscenity of the affirmative, "Absolutely!"

[@MichalisKarakatsanis]

I believe, even only based on personal experiences, that it rather useless to discuss about future state-related solutions. We need to start with material conditions: who is going to build infrastructure, houses, systems of governance. Then we see how it goes

[@vleontis8940]

Sorry Michali, no infrastructure is going to be built unless political entities (within and without Israel) know for whom and on whose land they are building.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

i kind of disagree, i think the 2 state solution is important and that the world should recognize a Palestinian state right now

[@crizish]

Great panel discussion! On a side note …. I was listening to this without video and could swear McFly was on the panel. There is a “Back to the Future” sentiment with this conflict.

[@supertigik]

Ironically the way this panel was organized felt like zizek's description of his experience in Germany. If it wasn't zizek, the moment he said he condemns hamas' actions he would get booed.

[@isync0025]

The only thing that was critically missing from such informative presentations is a historical timeline chart that pinpoints the major events sequentially and ties the narratives visually and intellectually. Great regards and respect to all of your efforts, support & voice.

[@KyloRein-mr5qq]

It’s really inspiring to listen amongst all the , eye boggling gaslighting in the west . Thank you all I’m not giving up # boycott Israeli goods get the app No 🙏

[@user-po5ln2ei6j]

My analytical mind recognizes that the historical dimension of the conflict is a contentious matter in which two parties to the dispute believe in their own interpretation. namely the one they think is the right one. But for me there is something even more important. and that is the psychological and philosophical. The story often depends on the interpretation of the seemingly insignificant actors in the third or fourth row. Then it gets difficult. because subordinate clauses often determine political approaches. often because they simply reinforce a myth with a “charismatic” speech or, worse, with sophisticated rationalizations of impossibilities. In psychological and philosophical interpretation, it is easier to see a synthesis, so to speak, built on myths. and it is even easier to summarize a failed policy on a general human level. an example: How often do you hear the question: “How can we effectively fight Hamas?” This question is used as an argument. I once replied: “If you think all Hamas fighters are vermin, the best thing would be to use insecticides.” But if you assume that these are people, you have to differentiate. Does every Hamas fighter bear the same blame for the massacre? How would a court like the Nuremberg Trial judge the matter?” and so forth. Ultimately, this level is the only one that allows myths to be visible to the eyes. and also the only level that can create a sense of shame about how myths create a completely distorted image of humanity. Ultimately, the idea of ​​good versus evil determines the political assessment of most conflicts today.

[@Peace2051]

A technical suggestion: next time please hook the camera into the sound system rather than depend on the camera microphone to pick up the ambient sound in the room. The result will be less muffled. But a great panel discussion!

[@khurramaziz2430]

Norman and Slavoj Zizek❤

[@nexusyang4832]

Woah!!! Prof Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek together!!!!

[@MisterTea123]

"The masks are slipping literally ... we are entering a new era, an extremely dangerous era ... What is happening now in Gaza is the death of Europe in the sense of, you know, you talk to a Palestinian, he will tell you: 'Yes, European human rights are bombs which are falling on us.'" - Slavoj Zizek

[@user-df3sx2vl3l]

Penetrating insights by all concerned, Great discussion.

[@syafiqsya465]

Thanks prof norman

[@isync0025]

prof. Colter Louwerse, any link to your PhD thesis, please?

[@pingpongo69420]

Damn what a lineup of thinkers. This is gonna be a good video

[@diogenes2550]

Do you condemn Habermas?

[@knowledgeispower6726]

That earns a ⭐

[@foufoumohammed1537]

People hating on zizek in the comments, obviously he is the least engaged person in this topic in part of detailing the conflict and probably the least knowledgeable but other than that I don't see a problem with his analysis even if he personalized it a little bit

[@Facerip]

They dont understand him or dont know who he is.

[@ukcryptolondonbased2953]

It's unfair to say people do not understand him. It's not necessary to know all his work. He often seems overly Euro-centric. I saw another video where he was asked about the Palestine issue. He spoke for 30 minutes minutes on what it means for antisemitism. It comes across as lacking compassion. There are many criticisms of him in communist circles for portraying fascism as a cultural problem detached from capital.

[@raycooper1943]

Zizek adds an important perspective.

[@hikmatmana1]

He is a charlatan

[@bryc528]

@@hikmatmana1how does what he says here substantiate your claim? He brings immensely important perspective by pointing out the absurdity of only subversion being labelled political, as if the dominant hegemonic systems are somehow not political. It’s typical tactics of the owning class to manufacture consent for their unjust monopoly of violence and power.

[@hikmatmana1]

@bryc528 What is this "immensely important prospective" Zezik is bringing here? Decode his pasturing and tell me where is the substance?

[@paddystatofield]

​@@hikmatmana1 when you consider his lifelong pro-European stance, him saying "what is happening now in Gaza is the death of Europe" is pretty substantial

[@Facerip]

@@hikmatmana1You have no clue what you’re talking about.

[@Salman-sc8gr]

The rogue entity did 1109,the world remained blind.

[@ingridhildebrandt8053]

The ICJ has urgently to be reformed. Please help to spread this thought.

[@Irene-im8xi]

AIPAC and the donors to AIPAC vetted and approved Senators have a lot to answer for.