Should Biden Step Aside? Wajahat Ali & Norman Solomon Debate Democratic Options for 2024 Race

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As calls mount for President Joe Biden to step down as the presumptive Democratic Party nominee over concerns surrounding his mental and physical capacity to lead, we host a debate between two longtime members of the Democratic Party: Wajahat Ali, who recently authored a column subtitled "Biden Is Very Old and Out of Touch, and Here's Why You Should Vote for Him," and Norman Solomon of RootsAction.org, which sponsors the Step Aside Joe campaign.
At 81 years old, Biden is already the oldest person to ever serve as president of the United States. His recent public appearances, including a poor performance at his first presidential debate against presumptive Republican Party nominee Donald Trump - who, if reelected, would be the second-oldest person to ever serve as president - have renewed questions about his health and ability. Biden has thus far resisted pressure to suspend his reelection campaign, even as the U.S. liberal coalition fractures over his candidacy. Ali says that now is the time to unite over a candidate to prevent a second Trump presidency, and that without a clear alternative, only Biden can run a winnable campaign. Meanwhile, Solomon argues that Biden's performance thus far has already critically weakened his chances of winning the election. "Uniting behind a losing candidate is a bad idea," he says.
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[@dmc2008]

Ali's position is maddening. If he believes voters will show up to save Democracy REGARDLESS of the ticket, why does he think it's a mistake to change the ticket??

[@giggleman9908]

Because of the incumbency advantage only Harris can replace Biden, and she is also the only one to have access to Biden's war money. If she is at the top of the ticket, she has never been tested nationally and she would have racism and sexism working against her. An open convention, the sitting presidents party has never won with one this late in the race.

[@alfredoroldan-flores6475]

Yes. Ali is confused at best and maliciously delusional at worst.

[@dadnonlyd3]

He's pandering to the spin masters

[@DJchestr]

These are the ones calling us bed wetters lol. I'm happy for his daughter's health though!

[@banonKING]

Exactly. If a ham sandwich does just as well, then let's do better than Biden or a ham sandwich.

[@sethmeyer2443]

Wajahat Ali doesn't grasp how many people have already decided they will not vote for Joe no matter what

[@DJVesperX]

That part.

[@60andover-timetotrain-join89]

@@DJVesperXThe Muslims should just stay home and not vote.

[@NumbzyDude]

That guy's is an idiot. "Abosulte immunity" is the biggest load of bs ever. Its not the immunity. It's only immunity in the role while performing the roles responsibilities. Funnily enough, I am a tin hat person. The immunity wasn't for DT, it was for Biden. How else do you get the Democratic party out of the violation for the unfair trail of Donald Trump? As much as I dislike Trump, the democrats are making it difficult to support them. I would vote for Trump over Biden everyday. Biden is obviously not involved or influential. He is completely incapable of retaining his own party. Allowing them to behave as they want while blaming "someone else" ((Biden)).

[@dayojohn7522]

The commenter above doesn't grasp how many people have already decided they will not vote for Trump no matter what

[@WheelhouseMike]

How do you know they won't vote for Joe? Maybe the people actually want to vote for young progressives. Why should the people listen to these filthy rich insiders who've actually moved the party right for the last 2 decades. If Garland would have done his job, Trump would have already been in jail.

[@kcobley]

AOC has now become a politician, telling us with a straight face how grand the emperor looks in his brand new clothes.

[@KellyKnowsLA]

And her attitude really pissed me off. What’s happened to her? 💰

[@jacobartis9853]

The progressives cant go against biden because the dem establishment will turn their focus to attacking them, instead of focusing on the problem. This is something the dem establishment has to handle.

[@Wokefolksuck]

And you igits voted for him!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@KellyKnowsLA Nothing. She has always been just another career Dem politician. Her socialist veneer was just that, and many saw it long before I did.

[@Bearbun38]

I think the progressives supporting Biden is to protect themselves from being scapegoats like in 2016. If Biden does step down it’s not going to be because the Progressives asked him to. It’s going to be because other elder statesmen pressure him to. Honestly seems like a win win situation for the squad. If Biden loses it’s his fault for not passing the torch and if he wins the squad backed him and showed unity.

[@lolab56]

It is not one debate. He's been like this for four years.

[@hizzlemobizzle]

If he was like this 4 years ago he would be a vegetable by now.

[@targgthewise2892]

@@hizzlemobizzleoh. Yet dum. Ok the then

[@DeepThinkersClub]

Well, it doesn’t matter, since the president does what he is told. It’s not like optics (which is his real job) is magically going to go back in the bottle, after the majority see it for what it is now. This is a new era, where old, tried-and-true methods don’t work anymore.

[@alanna8983]

​@hizzlemobizzle uh..he basically IS a vegetable now!

[@alanna8983]

Mr Ali, you're a Muslim and you are supporting Biden after his complicity in the murder of thousands of Palestinians?! You need to find a different line of work!

[@virginialuisa6769]

I am 71 so maybe my memory is faulty, but didn't Biden PROMISE to be a one-term President when he ran 4 years ago? How about pulling out some footage of that speech from 4 years ago? I blame Jill Biden for permitting her husband to run for another term for the presidency.

[@nunnayorz5836]

I remember hearing that but I just searched and can't find that quote from him. There are interviews from his campaign staff that he hinted at it early in, but I don't think he's on record as having said that himself. I did see a CNN poll where 75% of democrats didn't want him to run again. Unfortunately he doesn't care about saving democracy as much as he cares about his own ego. Like Trump, he thinks he's the only one who can save the country from the other guy.

[@IllusAuthor]

He certainly implied it. He said he would be a "bridge" candidate and that he would usher in a new generation of leaders. He should keep that campaign promise. It's his best and most graceful out.

[@sylviewalker7560]

Yes.

[@acejada976]

Well he said in one of the recent interviews that he is the fittest individual in the US for a candidate as well as the most experienced for the job. Something to that effect. Very much about him and not so much about the American people and democracy at this point in time.

[@roselee4445]

Note he said it's the best conference. Everyone says he's the best

[@UURevival]

The Emperor has no clothes and we can all see that.

[@Wokefolksuck]

And yet you people voted for him in the primaries!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Wokefolksuck]

@@UURevival and you people still voted for him!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@hamdybarsoum]

Actually the emperor clothes have no emperor. Nobody tbere

[@UURevival]

@@hamdybarsoum 🤣😭

[@nevermorefrompast-qx5wb]

do not wurry trump wil have aorange one soon. on biden he is far far more conik then triator ramboling lying trump.... this is just far right owners of these "news" rtying to help felontrump

[@UURevival]

You know who also wants Biden to continue? The MAGA zealots.

[@targgthewise2892]

Hahahahah you have no one who can beat Trump! Fascist leftist. You also can’t replace biden due to several states primary laws! Hahahahahhaha

[@jamesprophet7060]

Regular maga and blue Maga.

[@luisdavidllense2293]

Both Red and Blue MAGA want Biden. That speaks volumes.

[@nunnayorz5836]

@@luisdavidllense2293 ^^^FACTS

[@DJVesperX]

💯

[@user-kh9sy7fh7u]

Wajahat Ali just lost all respect. He's trying to have it both ways and protect his future income.

[@samniman2352]

Absolutely 100 %........I just commented that he may be paid to say what he is saying

[@sarapetion]

Honestly I respect him for properly articulating his opinion. and explaining his opinion. Although I don’t agree with him, it was really interesting hearing a different opinion without all the name calling that we usually hear. You don’t have to agree with someone in order to give them respect. It’s just his opinion, and at the end of the day if he didn’t persuade you, you get to keep your opinion. That’s the whole purpose of debates such as these. 😊

[@Loquacious_Jackson]

​@@Thomas-to5dr why do you think? 😂😂😂

[@TheHighlanderprime]

What are you talking about? !!!! He’s making all the sense here !!!

[@TheHighlanderprime]

@@sarapetion It’s two men’s opinion. Why should the anti-Biden opinion get the last word?

[@Base612]

Wajahat's position is wholly afactual. Double and triple down on a situation that is nearly hopeless. Also, if Biden is complicit in genocide, he is not morally fit to be the President.. Shouldnt we select a nominee who will attract the voters who cannot vote for Biden due to his moral failures?

[@Jose-sy1je]

And who would that candidate be? Trump would have been even worse. He even put our embassy into Jerusalem.

[@muphart]

He is being practical. The race is about a few people in swing states, who likely don't care about Palestinians. That is the sad truth. NY is not a swing state, regardless of the fear mongering here. The Dems passed up their chance to primary Biden and now are throwing a hissy fit.

[@alessandromorosin3251]

Name a candidate who can attract the voters to win , and who is better on Palestine , this late in the game . Someone who has the campaign resources and name recognition to kick Trumps ass. It’s always crickets on this question !!

[@auturgicflosculator2183]

@@alessandromorosin3251 Four months away? I'll quote Biden on this one, after he was asked how many other democrats could win against Trump: "About fifty."

[@nevermorefrompast-qx5wb]

the onlyone complicent ins gneodise was trumps handling of covid, your bs on biden has been proven to be PURE LIE..

[@user-vz8uq2ev2m]

I DID POLLING FOR YEARS🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩THEY ARE PURCHESED BY BILLIONAIRES

[@phyllisfoster6589]

And your point is?

[@CCCC-de7qm]

The same polls predicted a "red wave"..😂😂😂

[@edwardlwittlif]

@@CCCC-de7qm This isn't correct. Aggregate polls were fairly accurate in 2022. The red wave was a media narrative that was pushed *despite* aggregate polling to the contrary. There were some Republican-funded polls that exaggerated the chances of a red wave, and which were seized upon by corporate media. But many of the polling outlets that were accurate about 2022 (and went ignored on cable news) are currently showing a dismal outlook for the Biden campaign, and I think we need to take that seriously.

[@marbleblue5127]

​@@phyllisfoster6589polls are mostly useless. You can find a poll to support any position.

[@khernandez46]

Polls are tools of manipulation by the elite to get voters to think or vote a certain way. Works like a charm!

[@jimmyjimenez9280]

if Biden would step aside, they would give him so much praise at the convention and he'll be looked at favorably in history. if he doesn't step down, all we will remember is how selfish he was.

[@phaZed9]

No, I doubt it. Joe Biden and the Dem party stole the election from whom people voted for, Bernie Sanders. All so we can be left here, looking at another Trump presidency. In 2016, the Dem party made sure to lose.. and they're doing it again. When Trump is president - nothing is going to make Joe Biden look good. He is a traitor. The Dem party is a bunch of traitors. The geno+sider is never going to look favorable, and he shouldn't. He is all that is wrong with this country.

[@lowhydrogen7018a1]

😂

[@rachaelkp]

Oh stop. Biden factually has been working non stop, with a full docket. Maybe if everyone would back off and remember that there's an entire administration standing behind him.

[@keithbrown4964]

@@lowhydrogen7018a1O 😂 as

[@keithbrown4964]

OBiden and his regime are without a doubt the sorriest pathetic excuse for leadership in this nations history. TRUMP24

[@josephschreiber3567]

We're asking the wrong question. It's not "Can he beat Trump?" The question should be "Is he fit to be President?" If not, and he isn't, he should resign now.

[@lighthouse6120]

Step aside. Period

[@Morning404]

Agreed.

[@Wokefolksuck]

You voted for him in the primaries. You dont believe in democracy.

[@unggrabb]

Biden is like an opera singer well past hos rime, just embarrassing, pathetic and sad

[@celestialtreetarot4260]

He’s losing Congress. He’s losing voters who are worried about who is running the country because they are literally saying this in focus groups Plus Ezra Klein reports that top Congressional Dems think a Trump presidency won’t end democracy so they won’t risk their careers

[@Wokefolksuck]

@@lighthouse6120 you voted for him! It was a primary, remember, cheap fakes??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡

[@stephen_pfrimmer]

Thank you Norman Solomon.

[@thelastminmom5251]

AOC literally said 2 years ago that she couldn’t support Joes second term. But now…..she’s all in? Sure

[@cocopuff8303]

Wajahat is completely wrong. Everyone’s opinion about Biden is fixed it won’t change. There’s hope for new candidates. It’s a risk but you take risks when the alternative is certain defeat. Stop infantilizing us and saying it’s too late to do anything. Many if not all people who are undecided are making their decision in the final months not taking 6 months to make it. People want to vote for something and not against something.

[@TheHighlanderprime]

BS x 10!!!!

[@nunnayorz5836]

@@cocopuff8303 Who in the world is still undecided? At this point? Were they not around in 2016 or 2020? Neither of those ghouls has changed except that they're even older. No one should be on the fence. They're not bringing anything new to the table.

[@deutziana4370]

@@nunnayorz5836 Well, yes and no. You are forgetting about the people who haven't decided to turn out to vote for anyone. Low voter turnout means a Trump victory. Biden will fail to get enough people to the polls.

[@RootofEcstasy]

​@@deutziana4370 That's it exactly. In 2020 enough people were inspired to get out and vote for Biden to stop trump. Now? Seems unlikely.

[@missx147]

Both sides are completely CORRECT! Im a Black wm of NY, voted for JB and will again. However, JB is too old for the job and so is DT too! However, what is the agenda? This is a choice between 2 men. But what is the agenda? Universal childcare or health care? Universal Basic income? Stopping inflation? Housing? College debt? Jobs? Income inequality?ANYTHING? WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRAT OR JB TELLING US TO VOTE FOR??? Im 45 and I have been a struggling single parent for over 25 years and i keeps getting harder and harder to survive. My 4 kids a great and they are struggling too! This fight over which too old candidate, the too old nice guy or the too old evil guy is RIDICULOUS! I WANT TO KNOW HOW WILL ANY PRESIDENT HELP ME AND MY CHILDREN LIVE A BETTER LIFE! Thats the question and no one has an answer. Im tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils

[@e.billiematthews4014]

I agree both arguments are true and not mutually exclusive. We have a better candidate by candidate standards. It's who we should stick with. But I, too, wish to choose between more than just these particular two people.

[@bertbaker7067]

@@missx147 I don't think either Democrats or Republicans will ever do anything like guaranteed housing, healthcare, education, income, or employment type policies until we make them. Both parties are beholden to corporations and economic elites. It'd be a lot harder and more expensive for companies to get people to work most crappy jobs if we weren't worried about starving to death or becoming homeless. As long as we're desperate, the wealthy owner class can pay us less and keep more for themselves. Most politicians are millionaires and part of the owner class and/or get donations from them. They use culture war stuff to get votes for one party or the other (equal rights are definitely important) but they use that stuff so they can basically ignore stuff like guaranteed housing, healthcare, etc. Unfortunately, the same owner class also owns all the newspapers, TV news channels, and almost everywhere else we get information, so they make sure to never talk about any of this. Search for this paper written by researchers from Princeton, basically it shows how politicians only care about rich people, it's called _Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens_ I think it's going to take a revolution to fix things, some people don't. I hope I'm wrong, but looking at all the violence and suffering the owner class is already using against working people, I don't think they're going to stop until we make them stop. Workers already do all the jobs that keep the world going. It's time we had a say deciding what all our labor is meant to be accomplishing. Guaranteed, housing, healthcare, and education for everyone. Nobody's gonna give it to us tho, we have to take it. Solidarity forever ✊

[@phinex4797]

Both should drop off. We need someone who cares for our democracy. We as a nation have lost our footing and dying as a nation. We have allowed the enemy to root its hatred of this country to grow. I have lost all hope for our future as a country. Politicians do not care only about the votes they get. 😢

[@stephaniehampton3525]

TRUMP 2024! AMERICA 🇺🇸 FIRST BABY!!!!😊😊😊

[@antoniogomez5]

​@@stephaniehampton3525why?

[@chucklindenberg1093]

@@antoniogomez5 Because Trump was never a politician despite the continual drumbeat of labels that leftists like you choose to label Orange Man Bad.

[@wyndiefeatherstone948]

You cannot lose hope, if everyone loses hope we will lose our country. You however can make a very big difference along with the rest of us and vote Democrat/Blue all the way down the line. Keeping Republicans OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY THIS YEARS IS ALL THAT CAN SAVE OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. READ PROJECT 2025 AND YOU WILL SEE THE PLANS TRUMP HAS MADE TO TEAR OUR COUNTRY APART, LITERALLY AND IT IS ALL TRUE!!!

[@user-hs4ih8zp7e]

Actually its a republic. Stop watching Rachel maddow

[@ChavezDIY]

If Biden was not showing cognitive decline I would agree to let him run. But cognitive decline is unpredictable, gets worse over time, and its a huge distraction to an important election. Biden should drop out and let Harris run so the Democratic Party can unite and move forward from this.

[@jusxmia]

Agree! It's getting worse fast. If he believes in Harris, and loves this country, he should step aside. Stay on as an adviser.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

Kamala Harris would take this country even farther down a rabbit hole...are you kidding me? The woman is a complete and utter disaster of a candidate. Other than cackling at inappropriate times and possessing zero diplomatic skills, what purpose does she serve?

[@krellend20]

@@jusxmia He doesn't believe in Harris. She was a pawn for his ambition and remains a pawn, hoping she'll get the next nod (but she won't.)

[@gracieb.3054]

I agree with everything but the idea that Harris should become the nominee. While I like her and think she's competent, I have not heard anything but insults for her for years. Plus, sadly there are too many racists and sexists for her to win. If our Democracy didn't hang in the balance, then sure, let Kamala be the nominee. However, these aren't normal times. We need someone who is a LOCK to beat Trump.

[@user-oi8si6wl8o]

Yes cause that decline could be slow his mind could be all gone in a year no one knows we need someone who can do 4 years

[@sandrajensen497]

How can anything be worse than genocide in Gaza and a losing war in Ukraine, Wajahat!

[@edwardlwittlif]

I'm glad Wajahat Ali brought up the example of the French elections. Because in France, the left *changed course dramatically* in just one week. Candidates doing poorly *withdrew* in order to bolster the left overall, a strategy that happened too quickly and dynamically for polls to capture. The lesson from the French victory is clear: when you are projected to lose, *you need to change your course* and pick a better strategy. So again, thank you, Wajahat Ali, for raising this illustrative example.

[@deutziana4370]

Good point. Wajahat Ali is letting his fear cloud his judgment.

[@windellcrowell1891]

Answer to the question! ABSOLUTELY BIDEN SHOULD STEP ASIDE ,HE'S DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE ALREADY

[@susanyz7864]

Biden, please stay to the end 11/5/2024!

[@MikeWoot65]

Do you want him to step aside bc he can't run the country, or bc he can't win an election? If he could win, you couldn't care less that an almost dead dude is running the country. So long as your party is in power. pathetic

[@user-os2hf1ie8o]

Iniatally I was leary of Biden running for re-election after that debacle of a debate, but after watching his EURO press conference I'm reassured to the point he's capable and should be given the chance of serving another term. Despite sometimes mixing up names or even inadvertently misstating numbers, I found him to have a wide breadth of understanding of politics and the presidency, and a man of good moral character. He also seem to be resided in a fact that he would adhere to adverse medical diagnosis. On the other hand he's running against the Antichrist

[@leslietaylor9313]

Register early and vote every republican out of office everywhere. 🦅🌊🇺🇲👍

[@samueleborn9909]

Yes! 🙌

[@alin81-82]

I wish the progressives/squad would just say "No comment". They're doing themselves no favors by supporting biden. If he loses, they'll get blamed anyway.

[@lisamurdoch2525]

Yeah. They’ll get blamed no matter what the outcome. They may as well do the right thing.

[@aemyay5169]

Democrats and the gay community need to be informed about the "Project 2025".

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

AOC was *always* a Pelosi sheepdog

[@goodwifeweaver]

They've been selling out since the minute they stepped in office. No reason to stop now.

[@WAEVOICE]

@@aemyay5169 Odd how the media waited until a year like this to start reporting it-- I'd be more concerned about *that* .

[@adripecas]

When using France as an example… you’re failing to acknowledge that the people didn’t rally behind Macron and his centrist party… they had other options they voted for to block the far right. Democrats can begrudgingly vote for Biden… the undecided/independent (uncommitted) votes don’t have that here.

[@Gamandizer]

Yes

[@2011stepin]

School them Mr. Norman! Thanks for your insights. We are not MAGA; we have standards, character. and morals. The fact that TRUMP with all his bagages still poses a threat to Biden shows that Biden is out of touch with the voters

[@TheHighlanderprime]

Solomon spoke of fear and pessimism. That’s the cowards way.

[@user-mq1ue1mp9t]

Does a Fascist arrest their opponent and hold a Show Trial with pretermined outcome?

[@user-mq1ue1mp9t]

​@TheHighlanderprime Does a moral candidate arrest their opponent and hold a Show Trial with a pretermined outcome?

[@MikeWoot65]

Maga is sooo scary. Wanting to have a secure border and put America first is sooo radical. Keep believing your conspiracy theories ie. Project 2025

[@hiamgozaine8834]

@@2011stepin or the voters are disconnected from the danger we face if Convicted Felon Trump wins. So stop bullying and fight and VOTE AND GET ENGAGED SO DEMOCRACY WINS?

[@albertoserrano67]

We don't want Biden pulling a Diane Fienstien now.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

Too late!!

[@shirleydietsch1279]

He can’t. That’s why there’s a VP.

[@gracieb.3054]

@@shirleydietsch1279 They need to use the 25th Amendment if Biden won't leave. It is unfortunate, but he needs to go ASAP.

[@antoniogomez5]

Then Kamala would take over.. the choice is easy democracy or a dictatorship

[@adkest9914]

LMAO😂

[@serenasapphire8883]

Agreed. Get him off the ticket. No time to play it safe. People love new and fresh. This could reinvigorate the campaign. But leave him in and it will be a blood bath.

[@angelamossucco2190]

Fundamental debate . *Unity* against hate is everything. Why not have a new primary on 8/1 and let the people reiterate their support.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@angelamossucco2190 Woah! That sounds radically... democratic. And the Democrat managers don't like that idea.

[@srsmopar3808]

"People love new and fresh." Yes, that is how normal people pick out vegetables.

[@cilla5277]

Biden spoke forcefully AND eloquently while hosting the NATO summit . What's wrong with these people ?

[@julietag4]

I agree with the squad . I also agree with Wajahat Ali.

[@daveweil6767]

Liver donors are the real heroes of the day !

[@alicetimmons2938]

80% of Americans think he’s too old is there anything else 80% of Americans agree on?

[@leechowning2712]

I would have a hard time getting eighty percent of americans to agree that the sun rose in the east.

[@ONeillsJimbaLounge]

Note: Remember, throughout all of history and time the centrist will always hand the keys of our cities to the tyrants.

[@KennethSmithLive]

And conservatives always think they can control the fascists to their right.

[@e.billiematthews4014]

Can you elaborate? (Seriously.)

[@cristinacamero3733]

Those leftist are a joke! "The best president of her life!" That really lowers the bar for the rest of them

[@goodwifeweaver]

The entire point of "the squad" is to demoralize the left and make sure normies think we're stupid and crazy.

[@nunnayorz5836]

Yeah I'm kind of surprised at Bush, Presley, and Omar. AOC has been all about the establishment for a while now, and Bernie isn't the left wing paragon he's marketed as.

[@TostonDePana]

I've seen some claim the squad are not supporting efforts to remove Biden because they would actually cause people to side with Biden. Let the establishment handle this, win win.

[@sarapetion]

Yeah that surprised me too. Going that far makes it feel forced.😅

[@mka1967]

Fascism is already here

[@billkaiana7441]

Gen joe...is going the way of gen franco of spain...!!!😮😮😮

[@anthonywatson7676]

That's right, When President Biden tried to use Osha to force people to take the vaccine by telling them it was a safety risk in the work area. We know when it comes to Osha and safety it is either solve the problem or get fined/ Shut down. President Biden was willing to let unknown number amount of Americans to lose their livelihoods because of HIS fear he had about covid. Fascism behavior for sure. Trump 2024.

[@adkest9914]

😂😂😂

[@MikeWoot65]

Correct. Fed gov't telling new organizations and social media what to do/say. DOJ trying to jail the main political opponent in an election year. Dems don't agree with the first or second amendment's

[@karlad4082]

That’s AOC’s nominee, not mine! She needs to stop using the word OUR. We’re not a cult!

[@sarahbaker4030]

This is the wrong debate to be having. We are lagging so far behind reality and the real work at hand. We are wasting valuable time and energy debating which genocidal pro cop pro capitalism anti-nature person should run in order to beat the genocidal pro cop pro capitalism anti-nature person we are told will be worse.

[@bertbaker7067]

You ain't lying. Solidarité ✊

[@6155ipb]

I hope you get your no cop world and when faced with need for help remember, it’s what you asked to have. Move…to socialist country. Buena suerte.

[@bertbaker7067]

@@6155ipbIn the US, cops are there to protect property, not people. In the court case _Warren v. District of Columbia,_ judges confirmed that cops are not legally required to protect someone, even while they're being attacked. Remember Uvalde. Also, _Warren v. District of Columbia_ is a brutal case to read about, fyi.

[@DiCarloJr]

Just avoid confusion and depression. Save America 🇺🇸. Vote MAGA King Trump and all MAGA candidates. 100% a winner 🏆

[@bertbaker7067]

@@DiCarloJr King? Lol, bootlicker

[@user-px3nc2qs5e]

Save Palestine

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

from Biden, Trump and the rest of the American ruling class.

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

Jill Stein is the only anti-Zionist

[@WAEVOICE]

From itself.

[@srsmopar3808]

LOL potato joe is working on it.

[@adkest9914]

Save Brandon😂

[@jujutsu_panda]

Biden step down.

[@TheHighlanderprime]

For whom?!

[@knowledgeishalfthebattle]

A few of the articles JOE"s leftist news media hide on their servers as web pages never to be seen as video during PRIMETIME... Bama and Joe will never let the Separatist regions to be free of Ukraine... 1) "Misery in UKR as deadly conflict drives civilians from homes Diana Magnay and Laura Smith-Spark, CNN 5 min read, Sept 2, 2014 2) All the Separatist Regions wanted was freesom. But Obama and his puppet UKR govt murdered them all including Alexander Zakharchenko killed in Donetsk cafe explosion! 3) "Biden Establishes a Ministry of Truth" WSJ. May 1, 2022 - "The Disinformation Governance Board already looks like a partisan instrument." 4) NBC-18 Jun2024 : "Before war US made 14K 155 mm shells, now 30K a mo, expects 55K by summer end! Ms Wormouth Sec of Army:"I think we need to invest more..were doing that!. 5) Israel 24: IDF reported battling Islam on at least 6 fronts: Gaza, Philadelphi Corridor at Egypt, Hezbollah Lebanon, Iraqi militants, Houthi Yemen and Iran.. 6) IDF reported battling Islam on at least 6 fronts: Gaza, Philadelphi Corridor at Egypt, Hezbollah Lebanon, Iraqi militants, Houthi Yemen and Iran.. 7) JOE DEEKD EM Aljazeera couldn't brag enough - 7 May 2024 -"US has halted..some types of heavy bombs to Israel! Pledged to halt supply if Rafah attack" Israel largst oil refinery, POOF! ​​8) 70 40 USAs died on Oct 7! And The Lone American soldier SGT ROSE LUBIN was KIA in hand to hand against HAMAS on Nov 6. AND NEVER A WORD OF SILENCE ASKED BY JOE FOR OUR AMERICAN fallen! 9) ...NBC Nightly News ep Feb 8 2024! EVEN LESTER HOLT DIMED ON JOE!!!!! "Won't prosecute Joe for willfully retaining and disclosing classified docs...!!!! Did Lester change sides too? roflmao 10) Stephen Gardner: "Trump Colo trial WH scam! Suit brought by Citizen's for Responsibility & Ethics in DC who's CEO is former DOJ trial attorney Noa BookBinder member of Joe's Border Sec Council. 11) Washington Post: - According to county records, the DA's office paid more than $653,000 to lover Wade's law firm between Nov 2021- Oct...$600,000 more than her other prosecutors" Jan 14, 2024 12) COVER UP?? Corrupt GA GOV RINO "Kemp rejects talk of special session, says punishing Fani Willis carries risks" AJC 31 Aug 2023 just keeping it 13) NEWSWEEK: "Fani Willis Met With Kamala Before Indicting Trump..?" WH denies meeting. but, "Merchant says WH records show Willis meeting Harris in company of Atl Mayor Dickens- 6.Mar 2024 14) ​​Brian Craig Show: "FOX colluded with JOE to stop Trump! "It came out in one of the voting lawsuits. Since FOX gets Trump's campaign ads ahead of time...gives em to JOEs campaign" 17Jun "Biden’s China Tariffs Are the End of an Era for Cheap Chinese Goods" - The NY Times - May 18, 2024 "Hooters store closings: List of 41 locations closed in 2024" | newscentermainecDOTcom HOOTERS IS CLOSING? OH NO! NOW JOE"S GOTTA GO! YELLOW closed firing 30,000! PA BANK FAILED IN APR! CBS News MoneyWatch-13 May 2024 - The 30 retailers... announced plans to close almost 3,200 locations in 2024! Teenage MALL staple RUE 21 clsoing all stores! CBS News MoneyWatch-13 May 2024 - The 30 retailers that are closing the most U.S. stores this year. Retailers have announced plans to close almost 3,200 locations in 2024!!!!!! CBS News MoneyWatch-13 May 2024 - The 30 retailers that are closing the most U.S. stores this year. Retailers have announced plans to close almost 3,200 locations in 2024!!!!!! Fox Business - Nov 29, 2023 - U.S. Steel issued layoff warnings to 1,000 employees of its Granite City, Illinois, mill this week

[@MikeWoot65]

But he won the primary. this who you all wanted and voted for??

[@jujutsu_panda]

@@MikeWoot65 There was not primary.

[@MikeWoot65]

@@jujutsu_panda There absolutely was a Democrat Primary. Imagine not knowing this.. and still thinking your smart enough to vote for the right guy

[@luisdavidllense2293]

Ali putting the US on the same level of education as France and the UK just betrays his outright cluelessness. What the US is experiencing now is very similar to what Germany underwent in the 1930s. More than half of the population didn't even know what fascism was until it happened. Sorry, Mr. Ali, but the American population is not at the same level, as a whole. Not to mention we have a different electoral system entirely. Please think before you opine. BIDEN. NEEDS. TO. GO.

[@evinchester7820]

So you support a traitor, who willingly and knowingly violated his oath of office. Who have 34 felony convictions. Who lies every hour on the hour. And is in bed with the Heritage PAC who wants to turn the USA upside-down and no it's ear.

[@bobhanson1037]

Every single biden voter would vote for harris if he were to drop out and endorse her. Harris would get back the voters who are leaving. Even if biden wins, we are hoping he lives or its harris anyways.

[@agoodchow]

A good deal of uncertainty in Harris Vs Trump. Despite Harris unimpressive record, there would also be some Upside in Harris campaign, such as "VOTE Youth, out the oldies."

[@Wokefolksuck]

But you morons voted for joe and insured he had no real challengers.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

😂 Harris would be even worse

[@KennethSmithLive]

I think that is wishful thinking. I doubt she'd pull in low information voters (i.e., most Americans).

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

@@KennethSmithLive DNC loyalists are the low information voters, and they live when MSNBC tells them how smart they are

[@bigcrazewolf]

Wajahat, no my friend.

[@glasperlinspiel]

Interesting that only O’Donnell covered Biden’s unscripted visit with Labor leaders yesterday

[@dbarker7794]

Media doesn't care about labor issues. Media is owned by multimillionaires who hire millionaires to read the opinions crafted by other millionaires.

[@LeftKinect]

It’s shocking he is still backing Biden. From all of his past interviews I never would have guessed this would be his view.

[@michelleflora2957]

I’m disappointed & disgusted how people are abandoning Biden/Harris over one debate performance!

[@MWhaleK]

It wasn't just one debate performance, it was the debate performance on top of a rigged primary, four years of questions/doubts about him being to old/his mental fitness and his support for Genocide. Also support for Biden was never that firm in the first place.

[@Landis_Grant]

Actor George Clooney publicly stated that Joe Biden should step down as the Democrats’ candidate for US president.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Who cares what an actor says?

[@WAEVOICE]

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Had it been an actor like Jerry Seinfeld, we'd be playing another tune.

[@IllusAuthor]

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx It's not that he's an actor. It's that he's been a major Democratic operative for 25 years, raising millions upon millions of dollars for Democrats.

[@radioactivewifi]

Clooney?

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@IllusAuthor True enough. Clooney, if we judge his speech apart from that wealth, has nothing to offer worth listening to.

[@oghyeahoo6165]

America is becoming what it always was.

[@srsmopar3808]

LOL so nothing is changing?

[@oghyeahoo6165]

@@srsmopar3808 Is America not more racist & decisive than ever !? Say no and I'll reply: you're sharp as a bowling ball, lol 🤣.

[@billygarner7362]

They need to leave him alone. They are making him look weak. With friends like these he doesn’t need any enemies. Et Tu Brute or is it Et Tu George.

[@longshank59]

I'm old and smoke but still have my little heart down on the bottom Wasn't expecting to get chocked up. Happy 8th birthday to your daughter

[@michelleflora2957]

If you all are terrified of tRump you should 100% back Biden/Harris!!!!!! Ugh!

[@Stinglikeabee2]

Perhaps you need to include Allan Lichtman. Allan Lichtman, a historian who has correctly predicted the results of nine of the 10 most recent presidential elections, said Sunday that if Democratic delegates rebel against President Joe Biden and choose another Democratic nominee, it could spell chaos for the party.

[@EasyKiwi111]

Wajahat sounding real sycophantic rn

[@careyculbert5071]

What is the alternative? You're not finishing the sentence. It's too late for him to leave and then we figure it out. Dems do this every effing time. Joe knows his shit. Stop this

[@Monticlaus]

Mr. Ali's whataboutism is infantile, misses the point and and is just stupid. Dump Biden, have him take Kamala with him, so that we can get to the real business of winning.

[@adinahaun6001]

Agreed!

[@Jose-sy1je]

With far less than 4 months to go. Whoever would run instead would stand no chance in that time frame. Americans like the same old same old. So Biden still stands the best chance of winning.

[@simonepeterson3301]

There will be a slight technically,the 230 million raise in fundraising money will be frozen,any other candidate won't be able to touch that money ,it's just gonna be sitting there stagnant,so it's not as easy

[@Monticlaus]

@@simonepeterson3301 Not a problem I think. The Supremes have made it easy for individuals (and corporations are people too) to set up a pack that spends unlimited funds. Biden and Harris can just exit and leave the money in a Pac which will operate independently of the chosen successors. In any case if just spending a huge pile of money were that only relevant issue, we would not be in this pickle. A losing candidate (Biden or Harris) will lose regardless of how much money they have. There is plenty of money in America which remains raiseable by the chosen candidate. Let's move on and win.

[@Ronaldinho1996]

If dem primary voters had seen that Biden debate before they voted in the primaries, high chance Biden wouldn’t be the nominee right now. Let’s be real.

[@OhGoshAwwGeez]

I watched the debate and I saw Biden answering the questions and trying to tell the American people what he had done and what he plans to do. He even rattled off some statistics and actually tried to have a debate. Meanwhile, on the other side of the stage maniac lied and lied and lied. Democrats kill babies after birth… They’re letting criminals out of mental institutions to migrate over here… One lie after the other. You can’t debate that. Now everyone wants Biden to step down. Hows that work?

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

THERE WAS NO PRIMARY - HE IS NOT A LEGITIMATE NOMINEE!

[@Jose-sy1je]

​@@alpheuswoodley8435He is bc he is the sitting president and therefore entitled to run for a second term. And he became president due to a primary.

[@user-rt6st7ss8q]

We had an alternative on the ballot; Dean Philips. Why didn't people vote for him? If you truly believe vote blue, don't you vote for the lucid Democrat?

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

@@Jose-sy1je No, that's not how it works. Stop drinking DNC Kool aide

[@teresamorales6444]

Biden is not stepping down. VOTE BLUE

[@ginilinenkemper9261]

When you cannot change your mind about funding Israel while a genocide is happening that is a sign of being too old and stubborn in yr thinking.

[@descartes7126]

He will step down - he's now an international embarrassment

[@gracieb.3054]

I believe he has Alzheimer's. Unfortunately, a hallmark of your brain not working well is confusion, denial, delusions, and becoming quite obstreperous when they do not like the facts. My grandmother had it, and it looks just like that. I believed I was already seeing signs before he was elected last time. Unfortunately, his wife and Obama need to set him straight. It takes courage to stand up to The President, especially when he's not mentally all there and will respond with excessive and out of control anger. He needs to see him leaving is what is needed to save the country.

[@prismpyre7653]

All of this reminds me of Helios Flight 522-- and Wajahat is the preacher of learned helplessness, the flight attendant who is telling us all "everything is fine, the pilots know what they are doing, SIT DOWN and be quiet...."

[@ArtOfHealth]

Sad to say that this is a fair assessment. Thanks for saying it. We Americans are easily lulled into complacency while life is getting worse and the Washington, DC efforts are not being held accountable. I have not given up.

[@JenelleMartin-dr8wb]

I almost cried when he talked about his daughter. Beautiful story ❤

[@rosemariebredahl9519]

'Project 2025' isn't even the 1st volume of this mandate, and having accomplished goals detailed in prior editions is how they've gotten us to this crisis point where such radical new changes are within their grasp. Voters must RESIST! 💪

[@Sonturist]

As a black woman who know many black voting women, sigh 😔

[@nunnayorz5836]

I definitely don't see all this strong black support for Biden-Harris here in MA. The older black people who always vote for the Democrat are still going to do so. As for the rest of us, I don't know. Some people are probably ok with voting for a replacement. Others are disenfranchised and over the whole stupid red vs. blue team sports nonsense. A few ashy people are gonna vote for Trump, and some might go 3rd party. One thing I think is good is if the liberals get less of the black vote, they might finally stop taking it for granted.

[@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs]

Ali is arguing against the wrong idea. The question isn't "Is Biden better than Trump". The question is "Can Biden beat Trump"

[@brucerayson3544]

Vote for Biden! Truly the greatest president of our lifetime!

[@SweetBoyEden]

Sorry, Ali’s comments could be argued against keeping Biden as well. It wasn’t persuasive and almost seemed like someone from the Trump campaign, ensuring Biden stays in so we lose.

[@nunnayorz5836]

Like when he said that because our system has less political party variety than other democracies, that's why we need MORE unity 😂 Blue MAGA

[@stuartk.nelson6001]

Trump should step a side! NOT Biden!

You need testosterone supplementation

[@RR-lq3ef]

Both should, this Elder Abuse needs to stop

[@Ferrislilly]

Get out of here with that nonsense. Talk about a cult. Running a dead guy? That's pathetic.

[@stephenglover1818]

why would Trump step aside when he's up so much in the polls. Biden needs to take a cognitive test, he's become a national security risk

[@heynowls3058]

Not the point! He won’t. Dems can be bold. Joe has to do the right thing & go.

[@wkwk9367]

Disappointed in Wajahat’s position to support the genocide enablers given Wajahat’s recognition of the genocide of the Palestinians and he wants Americans to vote for the “lessor of the two evils” 🤷‍♂️. Why can’t Wajahat support a candidate who is anti-genocide?

[@rochellestarr9538]

Replace Joe Biden and you are FINISHED!!!!

[@flyingsquirrel111]

I'm so sick of hearing liberals telling us progressives to hold our noses and fall in line. We've been doing that for decades and look where it's gotten us.

[@uptick888]

Progressive here I know what you mean but then are we going to let Trump win?

[@GinoTheSinner]

​vote for one of the wisest, well read big heart dude cornell west. Yeah that's probably Trump again but that is the corporate "democratic" party in action and then you show what could have been.

[@radioactivewifi]

Then vote for the Tremp.

[@Ahng_Noying9574]

Welp, bring out the hammers and sickles...

[@theicyridge]

Thank you for this good-faith debate. Thank you, Norman, for winning it with an exemplary and crucial argument.

[@esausjudeannephew6317]

I don't think any of them understand the meaning of the word "fascist"

[@thenoseknows9391]

I'M VOTING FOR JOE BIDEN 💯👍🏽👍🏽💯💯

[@fredturner7787]

Do you mean should Jill step aside? He's become an empty suit.....who is really ruining our country?

[@stephenglover1818]

he's certainly not running domestic policy, all he talks about is Ukraine

[@nickkatiforis9017]

​@stephenglover1818 that's Simple...its Obama!

[@stephenglover1818]

@@nickkatiforis9017 yep !!

[@Jesse-ey5xd]

The corrupt supreme Court seems to be running the show

[@sideshowbobrobert]

...the wealthy (here and abroad). elections in this country are more about window dressing than meaningful change for the citizens...

[@perseuspersikus6830]

Wajahat, you are making all sorts of guesses based on irrelevant data or assumptions.

[@kitkatcats3360]

Biden should continue. He is an honorable and healthy president 😂😂😂😂

[@psycareutube]

Well done wajahat keep raising the flag of good and great journalism.

[@harleyshoffner2086]

You guys do realize that in the majority of states electors are not bound by law to vote for the candidate who wins the state. That means in most of the states your presidential vote is just a recommendation that's it. Every other vote for congress and senate matter but not the presidential vote in the majority of states.

[@leechowning2712]

Every election for the last century has had at least one challenge to the vote count. It is completely ignored because the challenge has to be supported by a second house member and then the senate member for the same state. The democratic convention Primary happening in two weeks has the exact same function. The members from each state are expected to act in what day they believe the will of the people of their state are... And no it is not a specific requirement to follow the primary election. If joe continues the way that he has, The primary delegates in the convention can vote for anyone.

[@fellsmoke]

Vote Jill Stein.

[@adinahaun6001]

Yes! The only candidate to end genocide!

[@BericD]

Yep.

[@hizzlemobizzle]

If want Trump in then why not just stay home and not bother?

[@descartes7126]

@@adinahaun6001 nope - b/c a vote for Stein is a vote for trump and he will escalate the genocide - your choice

[@markg.7865]

No way, that's just a wasted vote that helps Chump.

[@dlovestar]

Thank you Democracy Now, for always providing controversial issues in a straightforward, easy to digest, manner and most of all for always telling the TRUTH!!!!! Wajahat Ali, so happy your daughter, with the help of her parents, Dr's and organ donors, for saving her life!!

[@quesadilla79]

Allen Lichtman is right media is complicit and democracy now is on the bandwagon too

[@drewspinoso4849]

The ridiculousness of the Pakistani’s argument. Daughter: “911, my father is senile and wants to drive!” 911 Officer: “Does he have a license? Daughter: “Yes, but he’s dangerous!” 911: “Sorry we can’t help you!”

[@MNpale]

It’s crazy, but trying to help people with mental health issues actually goes like this in a lot of states. You can’t just make a claim against someone and expect the government to do anything. They usually ask the person affected if they want help. If they can speak a few sentences and reject help, it’s going to be a difficult journey. Same with Biden, he thinks he’s great.

[@rajshim1]

"Pakistani’s argument."??

[@jakefrost8017]

Don't worry. It's sunnah. The daughter doesn't know what she's saying 😂 How can she try to speak for a man?

[@robbob1866]

The "Pakistani"? Racist much? I forgot to add that you nullified your point by bringing Wajahat's background into it

[@jakefrost8017]

@@robbob1866 Ah yes. Ever the intellectual response: cue the faux outrage! *cry a widdle, and exit left of stage. Don't consider the idea. Strawman built with a red herring. Brava! Encore! 🤣 Classic Opera.

[@ICHope1]

Vote GREEN - Jill Stein ‘24

[@janedmunds4218]

In the primary only, please. A vote for a 3rd party gives support to tr**p

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

​@@janedmunds4218eat 💩 blue fascist

[@uptick888]

All third-party votes are vote for Trump. Don’t you remember Ralph Nader

[@aquateenhungforce8807]

Undecided voters won't have any trust in the media if he steps down now. I think we are seriously underestimating how hard it will be to get traction with another candidate regardless of how well they speak.

[@mpphotofilm]

The white guy is 100% right. Voice of reason. 😊

[@landonkandon]

Lmao calling it a democracy when we the people haven't had any say in who the democratic candidate is and are being forced to swallow Brandon. Harris would win. Nobody cares who the VP would be

[@Jose-sy1je]

Harris barely even got 1% of the Democratic vote in the primary. Nobody likes her. Yet you are trying to push her?

[@CEELOW3000]

This discussion should have been 10 min long at its best

[@buriedbits6027]

Wajahat Ali made a lot of sense, all the points he made are factual. Get up 🇺🇸 Someone is thinking.

[@CashSache]

"Our NATO leaders". What?

[@gurjeetchawla7558]

Make it Sanders-Harris ticket then maybe we can win but not the vice-versa or Biden-Harris Period

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

No way - no vote for a Harris or Biden ticket

[@minskysfeedbackyianni1302]

I can't agree with Mr. Ali on this one. As an outsider (in Scotland) I would say that every minute counts now for the Democrats so they need to get a future leader for their party lined up asap! I personally don't believe that Ms. Harris would win the election either & I think that to ignore this growing wave of concern would be reckless.

[@Jose-sy1je]

So you say Harris can't win. Yet you want to throw in a new nominee with less than 4 months to go? I don't know about Scotland, but here people despise change and like the same old same old. That's why you can win in Mexico with third parties, but you can't do that here.

[@nunnayorz5836]

This is why the democrats should have allowed the normal primary election process to happen. Instead they either didn't allow competition in some states or outright canceled primaries in other states. Biden never even debated anyone during the farce of a primary we had. They knew Biden's health was failing and tried to shield him. Now we see that the emperor has no clothes and they're still doubling down.

[@paulantonio740]

The Dems should write off 2024 and let the people decide the winning ticket for 2028. Unfortunately, the anti-democratic DNC stands in the way,

[@RogerChamps]

Absolutely not! I can't believe so many people are still talking about it!!? Do you want Trump to win? This is so stupid.

[@TheRbruin10]

Now look whose Party is in chaos 😎 🇺🇲

[@b.thomasdiener4928]

If Biden needs to step down ASAP, then Trump needs to do the same (concerning his 34 felony convictions in New York state).

[@srsmopar3808]

LOL, good luck with both of those.

[@joannh.3061]

Please stop devoting time to this and doing the Republicans' work for them.

[@stephenglover1818]

should we go back to lying about Biden's mental state.

[@berg8970]

I'm sick of the media running this narrative too.

[@stephenglover1818]

@@berg8970 this guy says he's sick of only having two parties to choose from yet the Democrats didn't allow RFK jnr into the debates. Democrats aren't about democracy that's a joke, they even fix their own primaries.

[@michaelphillpott4884]

Hey Wajahat, I am proud to be a Christian Nationalist. Like my forefathers who fought, bled, and died for this country.

[@kcobley]

This clown changing the subject to avoid the question, Ali needs a doctor.

[@DLFfitness1]

Jill Stein 2024!

[@NX4.6GT315]

Theodore Roosevelt 2024

[@janedmunds4218]

Vote your ideals in the primary. Use your head in the general election. Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the election in 2000.

[@NX4.6GT315]

@@janedmunds4218 exactly... We don't care if Biden is funding Israel and its war.... It just can't be trump.

[@goodwifeweaver]

​@@janedmunds4218it's really pitiful that there are still people who don't understand that we are being ruled by the military industrial complex. Obama dropped more bombs than George W Bush if you need help figuring out what's going on here.

[@nunnayorz5836]

​@janedmunds4218 Stop gaslighting. The election was decided by SCOTUS. We have phones and we can read.

[@tammyludwig1526]

Wajahat, you are SO ON POINT!!! Thank you!!!

[@teresabravo564]

he lost me when he said black women have understood what's at stake NOW THAT'S RACIST