What the Nazis Learned from Jim Crow: Author Isabel Wilkerson on the U.S. Racial Caste System

[@arhondasmith967]

. ..had to fight against nazism then come back to jim crow, that's more than crazy. America still has a really long way to go.

[@GaryTisdaleFungkSta1]

The way the Nazi's treated the Jewish population they actually learned firsthand, from "Jim Crow" and the mistreatment of Blacks here in the states, think you have to google "Ties between Jim Crow and Nuremberg law" Jim Crow Laws was the model for the Nuremberg Law

[@JessieCBear]

@@GaryTisdaleFungkSta1 Exactly. Horrifying. And this is how many Americans still think today.

[@YouGotOptions2]

Gotta remember, when Nazi POWs saw the treatment of ADOS service men in the south ....even the NAZIS was trippin. Like... "Damn man, that's foul"... That should tell you somethin. And think about that when these cats got all these monuments and flags in honor of confederates. Still holding them up and defending them as if they are "sacred"

[@GaryTisdaleFungkSta1]

@Fanta Graham And in America folks used to take a chance on being killed for marrying outside their ethnicity, so what's your point? 🤷🏿‍♂️ America has committed a lot of atrocities directly or indirectly, pull off your blinders

[@GaryTisdaleFungkSta1]

@Fanta Graham You're delusional, America always had a caste system based on skin color alone, also your statement about America not being as bad compared to other countries in regards to the treatment of it's inhabitants is a bold face lie and Slavery still exist but in another format via Social Engineering to keep us oppressed, you need to look into this country's real history, especially stuff taken out of the history books and stuff deliberately altered via White Supremacists

[@Semper_Iratus]

The nazis learned far more from American eugenics laws that were then on the books.

[@johnorosz7477]

Eugenics produced by the elite of the era was used as a means to control others, period. It made anyone the "good doctor" determined to be a lower man or animal like creature simply by declaration.

[@justsomebloke6784]

Eugenics was a British export to the world. It is the ultimate expression of aristocratic hubris. Various members of our royal family had strong nazi leanings and Moseley's fascists were numerous and very politically active. The sanitisation of 20th century history, to be the one we were taught at school and is still commonly held to be true, is a fantasy of how we 'wish', we had behaved, not what we actually did. It's the old adage : the winner writes the history.

[@ret1con]

Scot Fretwell I’m not an anti-abortion (the more extreme forms) movement apologist but it’s interesting to note that Planned Parenthood had its beginnings in the eugenics movement

[@ret1con]

Clive Bowden isn’t it true one of your royals married a Nazi? Hitler had hoped to ally with Britain against the rest of the world as he claimed that the Germans and English people were of the same Aryan stock

[@ret1con]

Preet Dhami Famous Nazi apologists or sympathizers: Joseph Kennedy (father of President JFK) Henry Ford (founder of Ford Motor Company) Prescott Bush (Grandparent of President George W Bush), Thomas Watson (founder of IBM) to name a few

[@raven113p6]

Interesting conversation. I am a “light-skinned” Black American, southern born of a very light-skinned New Orleans father and a cinnamon colored mother from S.E. Texas. All of my grandparents were from southern Louisiana. My mother’s father was dark skinned. As a child, it didn’t matter to me...but, as you grow up and hear people, black people, talk in terms of ‘light skin vs. dark skin, you begin to figure out your place within these color systems. It is a terrible thing to be exposed to seeing artificial differences between cousins in a family. This attitude still exists amongst African Americans.

[@rodneysmart9774]

I have a light skinned creole black friend in prison. He's discriminated against by blacks and whites.

[@juliansearcie1758]

Interesting but little tonroneith this topic unless your family created Jim crow

[@anniewilson6737]

Lots of folks have had colonizers eggs layed in their heads. 🤷‍♀️

[@YouGotOptions2]

Have you done a deep dive into the history of Louisianna?? The Book American Slave Coast talking about the Slave Breeding Industry goes a bit into it wth regard to "fancy girls" and such.

[@YouGotOptions2]

And on the continent of Africa as well as seen with the skin bleaching all over. The anti-blackness is a virus

[@ChooseCompassion]

The Warmth of Other Suns should be required reading for everyone. I am so grateful to Isabel for writing this book and all that went into it and I’m very much looking forward to reading Caste. Bless you Goddess of truth. Mad love & respect for you.

[@genewhitworth6174]

Caste sys is a great analogy, racism is being used by capitalists as a 'path of least resistance' regarding classism, making racism one of many forms of classism.

[@QueerPolitics]

Nah, subsuming racism under classism misunderstandings that nothing is ‘beyond’ racism, sexism, ableism, exploitation etc. They all coexist as an inseparable matrix of oppressions.

[@genewhitworth6174]

@@QueerPolitics I didn't subsume it. Racism is not exclusively used as classism, didn't say that, it shouldn't be read into it. Nevertheless with widespread institutional racism along with social racism used this way too, its a huge chunk of the classism.

[@maxxwellbeing5208]

The racist were the KKK Democrats. Race baiting victimhood pushing here as usual.

[@johnmolina3284]

post-Modernist BS.

[@johnmolina3284]

"Queer theory" was invented by middle class white guys in the 90s with fetishes based on female caricatures and is ultimately, anti-woman @@QueerPolitics

[@judithwyer389]

There was a problem with Gandhi and his refusal to challenge the caste system in India Gandhi himself being from an upper Merchant Caste. Look at Roy's book on Ambedkar, a true hero and challenger of Gandhi. Ambedkar was a brilliant untouchable who was educated in the UK and Columbia in NYC and wrote the first Indian constitution. He is a hero in India but little known in the west, sadly.

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

The 1952 Act was amended by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, to include a significant provision stating: No person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence. So when Śrīla Prabhupada crossed the Atlantic on a free cargo ship passage he was already 70 years old. Imagine the sea sickness for 35 days, (during which time he suffered not one but two heart attacks.) He had not a penny to his name, and no support from his country although he humbly tried for over 40 years to get the message through to his own leaders and citizens. India was and still is seriously on the front lines of forgetfulness of real God consciousness. Their main goal is technological materialistic so-called advancement, which isn't easily accessible to them, nor neccesarily what their country can handle. The spiritual knowledge is what Śrīla Prabhupada brought from the East to the West because combining these two potentially great countries will be a successful mission. It's compared to a blind person and a lame person, India being lame technologically, and America the spiritually more blind person. So the blind can carry the lame. How? The lame, having vision guides the blind person... "Go here, stick to the right, watch out for the wall, there's a hill coming up, we're coming to a river, here's a place to rest", and so on. Śrīla Prabhupada had an extraordinary command of his second language, English. He dedicated years, in fact most of his life to translating and writing articles in English to save the degraded Western people. The scriptures he brought over the ocean are full of potency. Because they talk about the purpose of human life, they include every human. Animals cannot read or write, so not to take advantage of the Vedas is to waste away the window of opportunity. The soul of every human should be hungry and thirsty for this science. It's not dogma. It's not ritual. It's not a faith with a name. It's the original constitutional dharma we are made of.

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

Śrīla Prabhupada is the more potent preacher to come after Gandhi ji.

[@sophiawharton2424]

I was so disappointed to learn that Gandhi was racist.

[@gunner9936]

Your understanding of caste system of India was imported from the Portuguese Casta system and then solidified by the british. There was merit system called the Varna, exploited by the colonizers, leftist idiots use this to demonize the Hindus because they are paid by hinduphobic donors.

[@conealblack1164]

Great guest! I find this topic fascinating.

[@SkylabBeats]

C O'Neal Black I like your mustache

[@conealblack1164]

@@SkylabBeats 👍🖖😁

[@SkylabBeats]

C O'Neal Black no prob dude 😄

[@keirapinkney9398]

She is not African American! Shes jamaican American and Brahmin Indian

[@theother1406]

She's fascinating and brilliant.

[@johnmolina3284]

lol she's woke and predictable.

[@theother1406]

@@johnmolina3284 Since when is sleep-walking through life the winning way?

[@johnmolina3284]

you're asking the wrong person.@@theother1406

[@toocutepuppies6535]

Well, this fills in a gap or two in America's history. Thanks for this.👍

[@sandal_thong8631]

This makes more sense than saying that everything in American history is related to race (like the American Revolution), which I'm told is CRT. Just saw the movie _Origin_ based on her book.

[@lowesonia8551]

Brillant Speaker will buy her book

[@Miss_Cali]

It's a great book so far.

[@lloydrobinson6480]

📢📢📢REPARATION NOW!!!!ADOS

[@kreyvegas1]

Awazing work !! Thank you Mrs. Wilkerson. Thanks Amy !!

[@Babyboyo1]

Kamala Harris is NOT African American! Her father is from Jamaica and her mother is from India. How does that make her African American? African-American is a term reserved for blacks in America that descended from slavery and have little to no way of confirming where specifically in Africa they are from due to the U.S. Slave Trade. No other group shares this term. People from Nigeria don't call themselves African Americans because they know specifically which country in AFRICA (the continent) they came from. They call themselves Nigerian Americans. Africa is not a country. Why is the media trying to paint Kamala Harris as African American to appeal to African Americans? She does NOT represent us. She stated in an interview she is "NOT going to do something that benefits just black people". She is not for us and never will be. On top of all of that, her mother comes from the top caste in India that sustains the oppression of people in India from the lower caste system. She went to high school in Canada. Her parents had elite jobs and thus provided her with elite opportunities. This is not someone who represents African-Americans or our "black" experience in the United States. She is far from being "African-American". Is she black? Not sure, she has melanin in her skin for sure, but there are some Indians here from India darker than her and they aren't called "black". What makes her black? Rachel Dolezal and Jessica Krug both claimed they were black, but later confessed they were not. Will she do the same? She has already claimed she wouldn't do anything for her so-called "black people". SMH

[@johnmolina3284]

Excellent point.

[@Lily4444]

Aren’t the ppl off Jamaica not decent also from slaves from Africa?

[@l.l.9394]

Have you agreed- excellent point. I didn’t think she’d represent those who suffer under racist oppression and hardship. And now she has proven herself to play a role in all the horror of what is going on now…

[@Keepskatin]

Brazil and most Latin nations are Caste systems too.🗣️

[@ceciliamartin2263]

Indeed.

[@Keepskatin]

@TheHomoludens nah nah ninja;, it's Caste, which is why White Cubans hate Castro. He made equality with Black Cubans.

[@SZUSEast1]

@@Keepskatin finally someone who knows the truth about Cuba.

[@Not-Ap]

They are obnoxiously proud of it too. I can't stand them.

[@hueykhalidX]

@@Keepskatin - Yep.

[@jayrossatx]

beyond the fascinating subtext she’s wonderfully illuminating, Caste is fundamental to the human condition that erroneously differentiates self and other into hierarchies. . It predates colonialism. We also see it with the InCa, maya , and aztec, and of course throughout Asia.

[@tzefirayah_700travelmore.]

Well written and dynamic book! Thank you for this profound and much needed prospective on the caste system within these United states.

[@channyng1832]

Kamala Harris is not an untouchable in India. She's part of the Brahmin class

[@jonathonpoppleton4273]

For me corporate capitalism is the underlying issue that humanity needs to focus on in order to avoid extinction of the species. What it really comes down to is either you give orders or you take orders. Either you own large parts of the world or you rent yourself to the owners. This is why the system is stacked against the many.

[@darlenetillman7084]

The truth will set us free💯

[@CapedCrusader77]

We aren't impressed with Top Cop Kamala. Her record is atrocious. She's a corporate Democrat.... 🤷‍♀️

[@ronrivers1141]

Facts!! Unfortunately, she's what's thrown in our basket...........Unfortunately

[@persebra]

I am not impressed with her record or character. but she is WAAAAAAAYYYYY better than Trump/Pence by a country mile.

[@rubym357]

What you said is all true. BUT what choice do we have? We failed Bernie because the young people didn't move their asses enough, and the older ones keep on falling for McCarthyism.

[@markbrownner6565]

@@rubym357 no sanders was ganged up on by the obama clinton wing who got the others to bow out,,,now we sure are stuck with 2 losers..

[@majuli8420]

Fascinating. Will definitely check out this book.

[@GreenOrchid9]

Caste is the bone, race is the skin!🤔📚🌅🤕✊ deprivation of resources...

[@ashonlewis9353]

She can say racism because that's what that was.

[@anpdm1]

But she said it was caste, not race.

[@haragopal1]

@Kwum aix why there did she use the word CASTE??? It's a Hindu word not to mention I'm a dalit!!

[@haragopal1]

@Kwum aix what drugs are u using??? Caste system is nothing but varna.... In constituation it's called caste .......In Indian caste system people can change varna and it happened lot of times in ancient times.... Can she change colour from black to white????.. U idiots always take hinduism as reference for every evil thing and compare it and We have to face discrimination when we face foreigners because of their poor understanding.... Hitler nizi symbol is called hooked cross but there people made it swastïka.... Despite it has no relevant. . Despite it sacred symbol to Jains, Buddhism and Hindus

[@gunner9936]

​@@haragopal1caste is english word borrowed from Portuguese Casta. Its not a hindi word, those two groups manipulated the already croupted hindu varna system which based on merit, the colonizers had a divide and conquer strategy to dominate India, ironically these so called scholard do mention, I wonder why

[@shobaneshwari]

Kamala Harris's mother was from an Indian Brahmin family. Caste in India today is a complicated thing . I hope Wilkerson has looked at the complexities.

[@ehzAxemuzik]

shobaneshwari Kamala is higher caste in India - and i doubt she would be considered a nicca in the USA!

[@bhinbhinkaka6514]

@@ehzAxemuzik Kamla can't be a higher caste in India bcoz she married a non-Indian,that makes her outcaste. Any Indian who marries a foreigner loses his caste

[@Dot-Dot-Dash]

Wow! We always learn of new experiences and words of wisdom from Martin Luther King. Hopefully we can have a whole new dawn of evolution in the human race. Isabel Wilkerson writes on an essential topic!

[@sexykids6500]

I like how she has the Magritte placed in clear view.

[@ajwalker4416]

I wish Amy would stop calling Kamala Harris the first "African American" woman nominated and then in the very next sentence say Harris' father was from Jamaica and her mother is from Indian. Neither of those two groups identifies as "African American." Jamaicans will slap you in the mouth if you try to call them anything besides Jamaican. And then how do we have a whole discussion on caste and not once mention the caste that Harris' mother is from? Harris is at the top of the Indian caste system but that's not mentioned?🤔

[@leadingbyxample]

My thoughts exactly.

[@justsomebloke6784]

This disappoints me too. Would : 'woman of colour', be better? I don't know how other people want to be referred to. It seems to me that even colour is not the whole of the issue with discrimination, any difference at all seems to suffice when it comes to defining who is 'in', and who is 'out'.

[@ajwalker4416]

@@justsomebloke6784 Woman of color is fine. It would be more accurate to say she's the first daughter of immigrants but that would be too confusing for some.

[@venusbrownreacts]

African American includes ANYONE who is American and has African ancestry. Therefore she is according to that definition African American.

[@ajwalker4416]

@@venusbrownreacts Nah, that's the 2020 capping for Kamala definition. African Americans used to be a very specific designation for those who were American Descendants of Slavery. It's only recently it's been trying to be co-opted by everyone and their granddaughter. Jamaicans, even until the 2nd or 3rd generations still call themselves Jamaican, as do people from India. Grifters will try and reshape the definition to get some cache when it suits their purposes but never let you forget from whence they came. Don't get it twisted, the only reason people are pushing her "African American" designation is to shift the optics, gaslight all ADOS, and get some seat at the table that isn't for them.

[@aqrealestateking]

Very well put together book unbiased and fact based

[@919liz]

My mother educated me about the case system in India when I was was a child in the 60's...my mother compared the American system too..

[@keyfiender799]

Thank you for this interview. Full circle. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@jayhall1849]

Way to go! I'm just finishing The American Slave Coast. Have your new book "Caste" sitting on my desk. My goodness. You are so righteous! I am so proud of you. Howard University Class 82.

[@folasadeosibodu7119]

What an excellent observation, very true

[@persebra]

2042 will NOT be much of a change. Irish, Italians, and Jews at one time were not considered white. Now they are. I am sure her book covers this. but there are also other books like "Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrants Became White: The Strange Journey from Ellis Island to the Suburbs Paperback - December 4, 2018 by David R. Roediger (Author)" in other words, Hispanics and Asians will adopt white identity so that "whites" will retain their "majority"

[@sgrew]

interesting, never thought about that. Hopefully by then we can all be just Americans. HOPEFULLY

[@Not-Ap]

There is a solution but it's not a very nice solution, in fact it's a very divisive subversive solution, and it's worked in other places where caste systems or class-like caste systems have thrived in the past. What needs to happen is people need to create another political identity with a equal or greater amount rights & privilege to act a counter balance/opposition to whiteness. Anywhere this identity thrives whiteness should not. Reverse the tide of discrimination and things will change though maybe not for the better but still. Examples of this are things such as Islam or early Christianity. Both fostered and created opposing political identities to that of the societies they live around. They granted special rights and privileges but only to there members not outsiders. As there small enclaves grew so did there power if they didn't outright take it by force. This isn't a very nice solution but it has always proven successful against political systems which refuse to expand or accommodate change.

[@fdavis1555]

Informative report.

[@Rbk428]

Fantastic book! Caste system exists in Latin America too! Your book must be read by everyone!

[@Miss_Cali]

Kamala is Jamaican American and Indian not "African American." She comes from the top level of the Indian caste system, Brahmin. She is the daughter of a Doctor and a professor and has NEVER lived the life of struggle and oppression most American descendants of slavery deal with.

[@venusbrownreacts]

Amazing how people want so badly to redefine a word when it doesn't fit there preferred situation. African American includes ANYONE who is American and has African ancestry. Therefore she is according to that definition African American.

[@caspianhall]

@@venusbrownreacts no she’s not you idiot

[@IAMNOTAYOUTUBER]

@@venusbrownreactsno, descendants of emancipation means black Americans. They will never allow a Descendant of Emancipation power. They fear us, STILL

[@atis9061]

such JOY, right? this is political maneuvering? she has jailed plenty of men-of-color for low-level crimes. but she made it! she made it! would King have the same reaction?

[@Miss_Cali]

She's also locked up black women I watched an interview with her yesterday Cheree Peoples discussed the trauma her family experienced because Scamala wanted the press for her " truancy" laws.

[@Miss_Cali]

@Peggy Wiley You are extremely delusional. God does not approve of your treatment of black people or Palestinians.

[@Miss_Cali]

@TheHomoludens Peggy chose to be ignorant.

[@KingKull1971]

Read "WallStreet and the Rise of Hitler" by Anthony C. Sutton.

[@KingKull1971]

@Marshall Kinnaird I'll check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

[@ucanthandledatruth01]

*hi five Micheal* I have a lot of respect for Anthony Cyril Sutton and Jeffery Sachs

[@PeaceAkaShanti]

My question is when in America does one finally becomes an “ American”? How many generation does it takes someone to shed their Italian-American, Japanese-American tag and become a plain vanilla “ American”?

[@persebra]

why stop there? why cant everyone who lives on the North and South American continents call themselves Americans?

[@sunnymarie2060]

1 usually.

[@geekmeee]

Maybe its a false model that you are trying to achieve?

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

Above and beyond nationalism is the neccesity to realize our human identity as spirit soul, part and parcel of God. People mostly want to forget God. They become atheistic, but they are not happy.

[@ITALJUTE]

It is not up to the individual. It requires the whole of society to stop seeing "other" in their fellow American.

[@Pradeep.Singh.d]

You can take Indian out, but you can't take caste out of an indian. Sad truth of indian society. Defaming india and indian on foreign land.

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

Take Indian out of bodily consciousness, national pride consciousness, superiority consciousness, and even out of the commercialized caste consciousness, and there will be a revolutionary peace. The racism is quite prevalent in modern India. It is very very important to admit that India is struggling because they want to be Westernized, not understanding the dangers of materialistic so-called advancement.

[@JamesSmith-kt3bi]

When the South African apartheid elite, realized that the writing was on the wall, they covertly traveled to Brazil to attempt to understand how the white elite had managed to retain their dominant position even through a "re-democratisation" of civil society, they were unable to replicate this due to their own folly of creating a bipolar society rather than the creation of the myth of racial democracy which is, in fact, a highly graduated caste system, one only has to sit on the beach in Rio to see this graduation the blacker you are the further you sit from the shoreline, justified that the fairer your skin the less sun you can take. The Bazilian society has an incredible vocabulary of racial shading as a consequence.

[@johnorosz7477]

If voting by mail is vulnerable to cheating, trump would not be complaining about it, he would be promoting it with all his might.

[@mackmckinney5206]

Not only did our racist caste system inform nazis systemic racism but also south african apartheid as well.

[@dolphus32]

Her father is of African descent. But that doesn’t mean she’s a black American like a Dr. king and his kids. Her experiences and upbringing are totally different from that of black Americans. And to try and make people who can think for themselves, that she is no different from an ADOS, is gonna get some fierce pushback.

[@turquoisepurple7sky151]

Her father was a Tuskegee Airman. She is African American and African

[@dwightlove3704]

Fun Fact: Ghandi hated black ppl as well

[@MrLakers92]

Brilliant thoughts

[@dgmgneco1516]

THANK YOU

[@ansleyjukeboxxjoye884]

This is facts. I've gone to India 3 times and the racism

[@tobylangdale95]

There is definitely a working caste system here in the U.S., everywhere you look there is one or another of the " big clubs" and you aren't in It! And you will never be in It! They are drawn upon racial, ethnic and socio-economic lines. As wealth inequality becomes more and more apparent the dividing lines become clearer in contrast.

[@ret1con]

This is nothing new. We talked about this in my high school social studies class (more than 40 yrs ago) - even the blood quantum scale of racial identification in the US. Also the fact that Italians and Ashkenazi (sp?) Jews were not considered “white”. What was amazing about the discussion in this class at the time was that my teacher was white, Hitler’s inspiration from Jim Crow laws is also well documented. My uncle who served in WWII in France after the battle of the bulge would sometimes relate a story of German soldiers having surrendered to him, one of whom spoke perfect English in a southern American accent. He wondered whether this was a southern racist who joined Nazi Germany in hopes to fight a global race war.

[@ret1con]

Rose Lipton indeed this is true, but not to the extent of global aggression perpetrated by a nation state whose ethos matched that of the defeated Confederacy and their post civil war terrorists (KuKluxKlan)

[@harrypatterson8802]

Is this a page from the great book "The New Jim Crow"

[@misterlyle.]

Wilkerson responded at length, but didn't answer the question about Native Americans.

[@dbadagna]

That was very odd.

[@misterlyle.]

@@dbadagna Right, but people often dodge questions.

[@matthewlubin5425]

Great researching. There's a book called Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law by James Whitman that presents a detailed investigation of the American impact on the notorious Nuremberg Laws, the centerpiece anti-Jewish legislation of the Nazi regime

[@shannalee2520]

I will look into it. I hope Wilkerson is notified Americas, "now leader," Prime Minister Baerbock, travels in a blimp sized personal jet with an Iron Cross Emblem painted on it. The same Iron Cross Hitler wore, and Biden's cabinet is filled with eugenicists.... A carryover from Trumps border hysterectomy drs.

[@nancypeiffer6427]

In the interview the author was discussing a bipolar caste system in the US. It sounds very strange today, but the Irish and the Italians were placed in the 'black' category in some cities and regions of the US in the 19th century.

[@markbrownner6565]

catholics were a despised minority now they dominate the supreme court..

[@charlienelson1946]

Reservations became known as concentration camps.

[@dbadagna]

Where is part 2 of this interview?

[@rowenaburke4689]

My goodness Nazism, Racism, n Discrimination have always had sickening similarities . Glad you are learning. Better to learn late than not at all. This ain't new news. Swe always know less than what is there to be learned.

[@kimberlychappell5555]

“A bipolar hierarchy/caste system.” ✔️

[@saucesquatch9]

Why would you not stop the interview and have her fix that mic?

[@tomitstube]

it did get better, i'm sure the engineer(s) were working with wilkerson while amy was talking... you have to realize they do this show live.

[@markbrownner6565]

don't they do a sound check before starting..??

[@tomitstube]

@@markbrownner6565 not always. and sometimes there's not much they can do, with all the social distancing people are left to their own devises, and they don't all have expensive equipment.

[@stenyethanmathews945]

Holy.carp didn't know MLK went to Kerala! I'm from there! Tho I immigrated to USA when I was young.

[@camilledepalo1042]

Truth.America does have a caste system

[@cheryl6184]

Question, where is part 2 of this interview?

[@matthewmann8969]

Yeah the isolation, seclusion, exile, separation, segregation, division, spreading, splitting, submerging and subduing was very high

[@marykayryan7891]

Just for the record, Irish people were not considered to be "white" in this system. They were actually portrayed in political "cartoons" as being akin to African peoples and were said to be a "lost wandering group from Africa." This strongly supports Ms. Wilderson's contention regarding the arbitrary construction of "whiteness" vs "blackness" in America. Irish people had to choose to and fight to be allowed to "become white." For more on this see, How the Irish Became White by Noel Ignatiev. Too bad. We made the wrong decision. Should have rejected "whiteness."

[@ehzAxemuzik]

Mary Kay Ryan the Irish still can give up whiteness - but where would their privilege go?

[@marykayryan7891]

@@ehzAxemuzik I think you mean metaphorically--which I agree with. But I meant that the Irish were literally not thought of as white. Be that as it may, they are "white" now and have to deal with the choice they made.

[@marykayryan7891]

I do not mean metaphorically. The Irish were actually thought of as some non-white race and were characterized as such in British newspapers along with pictures showing their "racial" similarity to African people.

[@marykayryan7891]

@@kaya856 I am always serious about history. If you mean to ask a question do so.

[@Anointed012]

She’s not african american hello she’s Jamaican and Indian . She wasn’t here 244 years those terms shouldn’t be given to her.

[@theother1406]

I thought Jamaicans ultimately came from Africa in the first place... but I know what you mean, she's not a descendant of slaves.

[@Anointed012]

the other 1 , Is Jamaica america or its own country ? She might be a descendant of slaves in Jamaica but that’s not america. She has no connection to america like that. That’s like saying didn’t the french and English both come from europe! Well aren’t they two different countries ? So if a frenchman leaves france and takes on english identity does that make him english in 1 generation? Having not come from any english stock ? Nope.

[@paultrought267]

@@Anointed012 Do you not understand your own rules on citizenship ? She was born in America. Ergo...She's an AMERICAN.

[@venusbrownreacts]

Your argument is irrelevant to the definition of African American. African American includes ANYONE who is American and has African ancestry. Therefore she is according to that definition African American.

[@leomoore3597]

@@venusbrownreacts I concur !

[@bobbullethalf]

A great and disturbing book that must be read!

[@constancejackson1698]

What’s up with blocking this woman’s words ?

[@nativegrl77dances67]

What do y'all think the Vatican would reveal?

[@YenkammaNe]

After 1947 in India Brahmins are Untouchables

[@canteluna]

I hope Wilkerson also studied the Caste systems in MANY (if not all) countries in Africa and that she admits that caste is the norm in societies that are not completely homogenous. The ONLY "system" that can end caste is classical liberalism, which is the system that we all inherited - at least constitutionally. Sadly, we also inherited cultural racism and white supremacist views. However, because of the constitution and our underlying principles, we have the tools to address caste and racism in a way that many nations do not. Whether you think we've done a comparatively good or bad job of de-institutionalizing racism and caste, no one can argue with a straight face that we have ended institutional racism (i.e. there are no Jim Crow style laws on the books anymore) and that opportunity exists for everyone who has the means to take advantage of it. Obviously, professional, educated parents are more likely to provide their kids with greater opportunities than other families without a comparable educational background and financial means can, but at least we've gotten rid of the obstacles that prevent it altogether. I say this aware that upward mobility is in decline in this country. But we on the left also need to stop focusing so much on the obstacles as excuses and while addressing them through policy when we're able (we do have an obstructive right wing GOP to contend with) and with determination and other means in the meantime. Jews in this country flourished all the while antisemitism was rampant. They learned how to get around obstacles and find other means. In the meanwhile, through politics we mostly ended institutional discrimination based on existential qualities such as ethnicity or skin color. But since the floodgates opened up academically about 40 -50 years ago and we all learned much more about the injustices in our society - some we knew existed and some we didn't - scholarship on these topics has proliferated to the point where - if you didn't know better - you'd think no progress has been made at all and that is really unfortunate because race relations have never been better - if you look at empirical data. If you look at viral videos of police killings of blacks you could think otherwise. I did. I bought into the BLM narrative until I got around to looking at the data. Also, caste cannot be framed in terms of whites and blacks, as many whites were in a caste system with white Anglo Saxon protestants at the top, blacks at the bottom, then Jews, Catholics, hispanics, native "Americans", Chinese, homosexuals, poor whites (hillbillies, crackers, etc) also in their "place". Wilkerson's explanation of European whites and others coming to the US and having to navigate their way in a caste system is a bit disingenous also in the sense that the explanation is very much in contemporary contemporary terms and values. I am not at all denying the existence of racism and prejudice against other ethnicities. But that would have been true of ANY group in this situation. And there were pragmatic reasons also. In order to forge a single nation, ethnic identities would have to be subsumed to the larger American identity and you couldn't assimilate into the larger culture until you learned English and adapted to the protestant customs, otherwise, we would have tribalized and end up as 15 different countries. We almost did that initially. The earliest settlers (obviously besides natives) in large numbers were French, Spanish, British, from the empires of the West. Had the Chinese been the first to settle, Europeans would have been down in the hierarchy.

[@matthewdeepblue]

Damn.... Mind blowing

[@whiteangel1871]

Gandhi was a racist, My black brothers please read this book to know the reality of Gandhi - The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire Book by Ashwin Desai and Goolam H. Vahed

[@henrirauhala4335]

As an exploitative system, capitalism does indeed have traits from earlier feudal and slave-owning societes, but a division between the working class and the bourgeoisie is the defining one. This class division becomes increasingly "bipolar", in contrast to the Indian caste system that has a more multi-layered structure. In the U.S., racial division persists but not as strongly as the class division, of which Kamala Harris' vice presidential nomination is yet another example.

[@henrirauhala4335]

@Colette de la Creme It's hardly a luxury to raise one's class consciousness. It's a must in order to succesfully fight against racial discrimination, which was seen very clearly in the 1960s-70s in the United States. Otherwise you'll be fooled, time and time again, by con artists such as Obama and Harris. No matter how many black governors you get, it won't stop police brutality or slave labour in prisons.

[@henrirauhala4335]

@Colette de la Creme People do have to change their minds and hearts, but this won't happen without proper leadership during class struggle. Without a working class party, spontaneous movements will always be either suppressed or captured by opportunists such as Ocasio-Cortez.

[@QueerPolitics]

Class doesn’t exist without racislisation, gender etc. Class IS racialised and gendered, inherently.

[@henrirauhala4335]

@@QueerPolitics Ethnic/gender discrimination is connected to class society, but nevertheless social classes exist and they define the basic structure of capitalist society.

[@venusbrownreacts]

@Marshall Kinnaird even if you take out those words you claim to be made up the reality they speak of still remains the same.

[@saurabhsadafale1441]

Human Hierarchy division was envisioned by Vedas, Plato, Confusious etc. Varna System, caste system are the product of this hierarchy which continues till today. It has redefined itself with time and geography. It was always been about control of resources and access. In India base of caste is religion in America it is race, you can find castes in Africa, Japan etc. It is global issue. In Marxist terms one must think caste as a base along with class rather than superstructure. Isabel is onto something here.

[@fiendssanctuary]

Another reason indigenous people could be considered "middle caste" because at one time they had their own nations recognized by the so called US and chose to identify a certain way to get benefits like other groups.

[@PandaNFriends23]

My sister Wilkerson has cheek bones for days. You bask in those lovely genes you got there, queen.

[@mrcead]

The comments speak to everything this book is about

[@israeliteinpanama3263]

Nazi Hitler also said he was following the example of the Jesuit Order, his 'handler' was Pope Pius XII (Hitler's Pope)!

[@valeriemichelle07]

No taking from her. But Kamala Harris is West Indian-Brahman American... African descendency does not make her "African American". That "title"/designation is the invention of and refers SPECIFICALLY to those who are descended from those who were enslaved in the land that would eventually come to be known as "The United States of America". While it is wonderful that Senator Harris may be the first African-descendant and WOC to sit in the seat of Vice President, she is not "Foundationally Black American". This is not meant to be divisive. However, clarity is necessary.

[@devapala879]

Did not see people apply these strict definitions to Obama.

[@valeriemichelle07]

@@devapala879 Perhaps you missed that conversation, because it was had during the Obama years. The difference is that concern was not amplified at that time.

[@MrK-wu7ci]

Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law September 4, 2018 by James Q. Whitman (Author)

[@thebachelors1624]

What happens to the good usable concept of "Class"?

[@AmScEn]

I think Wednesday Martin in her book Primates of Park Avenue jokingly referenced caste system!

[@whiteangel1871]

Gandhi was the biggest Hippocratic in the worlds history, he was a strong supporter of caste system, I think now its the time that our black scholars/students and Indian Deprived class students should come together for this discussion. through social media groups etc.

[@ReadingComprehension8X]

Why is the audio off

[@bobbyjhay4594]

Remember the U.S 1st Black Present and the "CHANGE THAT NEVER COME". Is there anything that Black America could be hopeful about in K. Harris as V.P.?

[@joannchamness3194]

It would be 400 years for an Apache indigenous native American .

[@dawnslight676]

If both of Kamala's parents are immigrants, how can her father be an African American? IS her mother an Indian American (who is probably culturally Jamaican)? Do you know?

[@joelhammer3538]

Only in america is race of importance. You all are sick, both sides

[@venusbrownreacts]

@fireson23 African American includes ANYONE who is American and has African ancestry. Therefore she is according to that definition African American.

[@CetMM]

13:42 is where discussion of Nazi Germany starts

[@micshig]

It's sad how many "fake" accounts have posted comments.

[@preservation_of_institutions]

Two names - Lothrop Stoddard and Madison Grant

[@jefferyanderson2839]

Wish I had volume

[@triston_tree9153]

The disrespect of my ADOS women continues. Jamaican/Indian does not make African American

[@TheSNOTTBALL]

Ashe

[@robertrichard6107]

Pretty realistic observations, lesson guides should uncover this system of social division instead of covering up our dualism.

[@anpdm1]

The title seems intriguing but her interview was a sleeper. No new info to those who recognize being bottom caste. Didn't hear any justice remedies in her claims. So then, how is pointing out the obvious going to help?

[@persebra]

what a silly comment. Most people watching this interview probably didn't know many of the details or the context of what she was saying. I think its a long book and they talked under 20 minutes. this was just part 1, didnt you hear her say that?

[@alro11]

MLKJr a spiritual prophet of our times

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

Yes , & he & his wife spent 5 weeks straight in India... He sort of popularized Gandhi to a few who had the ears to listen.

[@monaturals9315]

While the Caste system was created by white British, it is pervasive and also commonly used by black Americans against other black Americans in the US.

[@svanablak]

why did she refer to kamala harris as "african-amerikkkan" after stating that her mom was indian and her father was jamaican? ijs🤷🏾‍♂️

[@lwilly1269]

Jamaica father, India mother make an African American Vice, and a woman of color. What a mix. White is a color too. yes?

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

Scary stuff and as good as this interview is I'm sure it doesn't quite do the book justice. This idea of a caste system reminds me of a programme on BBC's radio 4 over lockdown. The programme was on what is called the 'passing woman' genre in literature where a woman appears so white that she passes as white. The general gist of such stories is that the passing woman is successful, is intelligent, has a career, a family, a home, but for some reason falls from her position of success and fails to regain her position of success. These stories are generally written by white men. That struck me that that fall from a position of success is the opposite of Charle's Dicken's Oliver who is an orphan from a wealthy background. When Oliver asks 'Please Sir can I have some more?' it is not that he doesn't 'know his place' or is brazen but more that he is entitled to ask for more. Similarly Oliver doesn't so much succeed by being clever or industrious or whatever. He 'succeeds' because it is in his blood, the natural order as it were is restored which is what appealed to wealthy Victorians. I don't know much about the 'passing woman' genre other than that one programme but it seems a chilling reversal of Victorian literature but very much the same message, that there is some 'natural' order that people are born into and that order will be restored or maintained. The coercive message is that success is by blood rather than ability.