Denon VS Pioneer - Who's Got The Biggest D

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This video talks about the big Denon DJ vs Pioneer DJ battle and what I feel are your best options when it comes to buying DJ gear. For those adamant that Denon DJ should be the new industry standard I'll also let you know your best chances of how you can personal make that happen!
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[@sebtaylor69]

I Moved from pioneer to denon just over a year ago and I do not regret it one bit. The features on denon are far superior and denon are constantly evolving but pioneer seems to have stopped innovating about 8 years ago! Denon is half the price of Pioneer gear, I think it's a no brainer!

[@FarbodJahan]

What features? I moved from ddj 1000 to denon prime 4 and honestly I prefer rekordbox ecosystem so much more and miss the FX I used on the ddj 1000

[@sebtaylor69]

@@FarbodJahan the use of streaming services is such a good feature. Being able to search for any track and have it playing in 10-15 seconds is a game changer! The touch screens on the sc5000 /6000 are better than those on the most expensive nexus 2. There are so many customisable settings on the X1800 and sc5000's which is a great thing to have. The effects do sound different on the denon mixer but I am used to those now, you just have to get used to using different parameters for the effects, and also the effects are a lot more customisable than they were on my old pioneer mixer. Also denon are constantly innovating which is something which never happened on pioneer unless you went out and bought the latest most expensive product and even then there wasn't much change from the previous model.

[@harveyspecter1653]

​@@FarbodJahan What FX don't you have on your prime 4 you had on the Pioneer? The features I miss on the NXS2 are: - double layers - Slicer - Roll - Spining motor (I used to be a turntable dude) - Multiple gesture touch panel (ok the rotary is a good enough work around but I notice when being used to the SC's, going back to a NXS2 is like steps back) - Streaming. I do miss streaming. You may argue: yeah but festival DJ's don't use that and you would be absolutely tight. But there's other purposes than festival DJing. And I want a player for ALL purposes. Like with the corona pandemic, many DJ's fill in the lost time by connecting with the fans over Twitch. As do I. I barely do any recordbox or Engine Prime prepping nowadays. I check out Beatport and select tracks I like and then I just load them on the fly from Beatport Link. I save so much time now. And when I play outside I use my cell phone sometimes to do the same. Of course I have a USB with most things on it but yet I have the extra option to improvise. And I wouldn't want to miss that now I'm used to it :-)

[@risquedj]

I moved from NXS2s to SC6000s. Exclusively played on the 6000s for 1.5+ years. I just went back to Pioneer with the 3000s. Denon are clearly pushing the envelope, but ultimately, Pioneer is just more mature (both the software, and the performance focused hardware). I still LOVE Denon and look forward to the day that they get their shit together. But, for now, the CDJ3000 & Rekordbox are just superior.

[@SuperPussyFinger]

Always insightful, perspicacious analysis. Best DJ instructor on KZbin. Keep fighting the good fight, mate.

[@ajzubek9106]

only if we could get denon gear with a pioneer aesthetic. love how pioneer club gear looks

[@piurtv]

I think Pioneer gear looks good and the CDJ-2000 range looks better than the SC5000 imo (but I would still go for the Denon for the features) but I really think the SC6000 looks amazing and I prefer it to the CDJ-3000 by far.

[@dj_paultuk7052]

Here in the UK at least some of the biggest clubs now have Denon SC5000's. And in my local area two large bars / wine bars which have a small dance area have Prime4's. I spoke to one of the DJ's there and he was a pioneer guy, but he can put his Rekordbox usb key into the Denon and 30 seconds later its imported it and he can crack on. He really liked all the extra features and the speed of the unit. But the key thing here is that he could play on it with no real denon experiance.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

This is interesting to hear - I didn't know it had already begun. Either way you're right, the switch between either is easy :) You're the man!

[@ricardobarrera9642]

I think Pioneer has marketed their product better that’s why it’s in most clubs . As a Dj I prefer Denon over Pioneer any day.

[@thomasrenelli]

love your content so much bro! also the location is so beautiful! have a good one!

[@deanjegleeson4504]

love you approach and attitude towards teaching indigenous kids Andrew. your a true legend and pioneer

[@paulcarlton598]

A little late to this convo but I will say that I'm really really really into the Denon SC primes. The pad's, loops, and cue buttons certainly takes DJ mixing from the usual playing 2 records (or 4) together to greater choreographic precision. I really really like them. I'm getting kind of attached. I've played on some Pioneer's and the Denon's are straight up better, straight up. Now I've got the DJX1850 mixer, and I'm attached to Pioneer mixers, let's be honest they're fantastic, we all know that. The flanger on the DJM600 to this day is superior. So, I'm still considering the pioneer mixer. lol. But as far as the players, Denon all the way. The new Technics as far as I'm concerned. I'm really looking forward to Denon's continued ingenuity with their players. It'll be hard for them to continue to keep up with Pioneer on the mixers, but I'm totally rooting for them and I would prefer Denon's in the club for mixing. That said, and I'm editing back here, after watching a little bit on the Pioneer's new player, jesus fucking christ, the price tag is so stupid. It's stupid. I'm sorry, I'm sticking with Denon.

[@ricardotmeyer]

You should not appologise for your metaphors, they are gems, each one

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Thank you :)

[@Pieter2360]

Excellent vid. What surprises me the most in the heated Pioneer vs Denon debate is how few talk about the far superior audio quality of Pioneer. I switched from the X1800/SC5000 to a V10/CDJ3000 setup during the lockdown. Even in my home studio, the difference in audio quality is amazing (in favor of Pioneer), and I’m so curious to what this combo sounds like on a proper club system when the venues reopen again. What really amazed me is that the X1800 sounds better when used with the CDJs and I did not expect that even switching players can have such an impact already. Then replacing the x1800 with the V10 blew me away. Yes, pioneer costs a lot of money, but price/quality wise, it’s worth every penny; think Golf GTI vs 911 :-)

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

well said, thanks for sharing

[@EricvZ1967]

Very cool players, both. But to be honest, do we need all those features they constantly come with? Of course they need to innovate, but I can still play a nice set on my CDJ-1000 Mk3's.

[@harveyspecter1653]

You can still play a nice set on turntables who do not have anything special. We used to party and be happy for decades like that. But times change. Features bring creativity. They help bring the audience a little extras. They allow the DJ to surprise the audience.

[@stellamwaki]

That CAPTION got me!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣I wasn't Ready 😂😂

[@r3sgthepvs448]

How dose everybody just ignores DJ convention utility This program is going to be very important if Denon is going to take a bigger market share

[@aringrey]

15:40 Denons can read rekordbox sticks! That nightmare is easily preventable. Great Video though, really summorizes the whole situation

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

You are right, I was more concerned with people going from Denon to Pioneer, not Pioneer to Denon (as Denon has made that easy for people). But yes, in hind-site Denon reads Rekordbox so people could use Rekordbox software - but anyway as mentioned, IMO I don't think moving from one to another is that bigger deal and in many ways I prefer Denon, but I also love Pioneer - aggghhhh ;) Oh well, instead of pulling my hair out I'll just jam on whatever's in front of me and cross any bridges as they come :)

[@fencedmusic113]

A year or so later and this is still answering questions. The big plus that's driving me towards Denon is that you can use rekordbox to prepare track's and Engine will still pick up all the cues and grids. Then it's just potentially a case of turning up with your set prepared via rekordbox, practiced at home on a Denon and playing straight through club's pioneer gear. Thanks for all the help Andrew via the course and these Vids. ✌️

[@dj-peterofficial2753]

The change of club standard gear only happens when there's a major new feature introduced that changes the way you play and /or prepare. When CD's slowly entered the booths, it was the Denon dual decks that dominated the 90's. Not because they were better in any way than the Pioneer CDJ/DJM-500, but smaller, so they could fit in between the still ruling turntables, and as a bonus, could also fit in tiny bars, while the Pioneer setup needed the space available. The turn came when Pioneer introduced vinyl mode in 2001, that really could compete with real turntables. Out went the dual decks and turntables, and from then on the Pioneer decks ruled. The next shift came in 2009, when Pioneer again introduced the USB port on their new players, CDJ-900/2000 with Rekordbox to prepare tracks. In a year or two those took over every DJ booth, and people seemed to have forgotten even how to burn a CD, because the used price on anything without a USB-port dropped to bottom levels and have remained there since. Here is the problem Denon faces, because the features they have introduced are not in any way ground breaking, or new. It's all been available on controllers/laptops/DJ software and that is still a much cheaper way to go if you want these features. Another huge problem for Denon is that every generation of Pioneer gear from the first CD-2000, can still read and use the current exported music from Rekordbox. Clubs with several rooms usually have several setups used in those rooms, and when the main floor get the latest and hottest, the old gear ends up in other booths. Very few clubs will buy new gear to all DJ-booths at the same time. It's pretty common that there will be the NXS2 setup in main room, the Nexus in the lounge area, and in a classic coffin that are taken out to the terrass or special events you find a first edition CDJ-2000's and a DJM-800 mixer. And no matter on what gear you end up playing, the same Rekordboxed usb device will work on all generations of gear. Denon will play Rekordbox... yeah yeah, my 13500 tracks will take an hour or so get ready to use, so that's not an option. At last, Denon and their fans always talk about all the options that the new Denon gear gives the user, but never about the options missing or that has been taken away. Most will not even recognize it. People old in the game like me will never accept to change the way we play because Denon think they can decide for us how to play. So if Denon and their users don't recognize that it actually is a problem with that, and try to adress it with solutions, they will not have a chance to get in to the clubs as long as we old farts don't think they belong. It's as simple as that. Finally, taking the whole Pioneer Eco system in account, including software, controllers, mixers, players, samplers, effects modules and pad modules that interact and work together, Denon has a very very long way to go, so for Denons sake, I really hope that all their fans really do buy into the gear, and not only shout out on KZbin. Shout outs only won't take Denon any further, only hard earned cash invested.

[@harveyspecter1653]

So when Pioneer decides to change the way we play it's fine but if Denon does it, it's not? I am not married to any of them. Once in a time, Denon had the better CD players as you said. Then Pioneer came with something that changed my life as a DJ. No more heavy lifting with record boxes but USB media. So I used Pioneer. But they sat on their lazy asses for years and Denon fought back, bringing an advanced player that allows much more creativity. Sure, it's all little things. There aren't that many more improvements and whistles and bells to offer yet Denon did. So I tried their set and had to admit they outperformed the Pioneers on every level. If the CDJ3000 had been a Denon killer it would be in my room. But it appeared to be obsolete tech with a LOT of issues so I've heard. From locking up players to jog wheel issues. Pioneer missed the opportunity. Meanwhile Denon pushed further with innovative products. As DJ's we should not be fan boys of whatever brand. We should reward innovation. Because in the end, that way we play out both brands and push them to to just that: innovate. Which makes our lives better due to better products. Sticking with a brand that has lost it's way, just because, is in my opinion the wrong move. No disrespect intended whatsoever here.

[@dj-peterofficial2753]

@@harveyspecter1653 2 things. Denon never had the better player. The dual decks were first, therefor they got into the booth first, and many rebuild to fit the 19'' standard, and as most mixers back then also were 19'', it wasn't easy to get a pair of Pioneer 500's in there for that reason only. The lasers in the Denon players required service or change every 3rd months or so, which didn't happen, so more often than not, several times a night the players stopped reading the CD. Didn't happen with the Pioneer and never has been a problem. The last model from Denon that never could read CD's properly were the DN-1200 back in 2010. So in 17 years they never managed to make a DJ-player that could read CD's properly. Denon always had more functions and more buttons, but they lacked reliability, always, at least compared to Pioneer. They also had no intuitive layout, so without owning one or having the manual at hand, very few ever used those extras. The only four things Pioneer did bring to the table first were Master tempo, loops, Vinyl mode and wave forms, and possibly you could also add the tabletop layout. But those were the stuff DJ's wanted, and they were easy to use, intuitively. Pioneer has never forced me to change the way I play by removing key elements from the workflow. They've only added new functionality that DJ''s optionally could use, or not, without changing anything important to the layout. Denons choice to remove the CDJ mode, which they've had since their first CD player, as it was the only way before Vinyl mode were implemented, really forces any DJ preferring the CDJ mode to change the way we play, and that's not gonna happen in my case. The question is more why did they remove something that affects the way DJ's play, when they've had it in every model before for almost 25 years? As always, this is just keeping the facts straight and it's my opinions and reactions to unwanted change that affects the way I play. No intentions to disrespect anyone else choice of gear. I'm happy for all competition among brands. That will give everyone better future gear.

[@harveyspecter1653]

​@@dj-peterofficial2753 I played years in the clubs. I had literally NEVER 1 issue with a Denon CD player despite them being in a stinking smokey room. I did have 1 DJM500 CD Deck for in my studio and I must say the build quality was bad. The loop buttons stopped working after a while. You had to push them pretty hard. Pioneer also jumped in the dual CD 19" market yet failed to convince clubs. Your statements do absolutely NOT translate to reality that I experienced. I toured in every club in my country. Never had 1 issue with the Denon players. Never saw Pioneer CD players tbh. I still have a 4500. Thing works like new. I put in CD's from which I was sure they would not be read or at least it would hang or skip considered the surface had extreme scratches. To my surprise it read them. Talking to Ampli, a renting company here, they always said the Denon CD players were the most reliable back then. They're a rental company who rent stuff to tomorrowland and exist since somewhere in the 90's. I think they can tell. About reliability, sorry, my xp is that it's the other way around. How many DJ's complained about CDJ's hanging during a set? Anyway, it's good there is choice. If you love Pioneer, use it. I can work with both. They both have their pro's and cons. Although with pioneer the past years it's been nothing new. They did not innovate. Denon did. That is an undeniable fact. The SC6000 bring the best of both worlds: vinyl feel with digital storage and cue points etc.

[@dj-peterofficial2753]

@@harveyspecter1653 I played on just about any and every model of the Denon decks from 1994 - 2010, practically every week, and I can't remember once I could play for the 3-6 hours without errors of sorts. This while I used my CD-500II's for 7 years as my primary player and did bring to wherever I could use them, and in those days also made all CD preps on, and they've never skipped a beat. That also goes for the other pair of CDJ-500II's and 3 CDJ-500s I have, and them I got later as used. So, there obviously must've been 16-17 years of pure coincident then. Every DJ who had the Denon complained about their player, because of its unreliability if not serviced often enough. Most of my pro colleagues learned how to do the service and replace the laser unit themselves to keep cost down and reliability up, and as I said many clubs did not keep the gear serviced for reliable performance. Sending the unit away for service you had to wait for weeks to get it back. This to a degree where either DJ's or the guests were surprised when the laser made the kakakatetetepapapa sound and the DJ had to push the ff button a few times to get it to read again. At best. Sometimes a complete restart of the unit were required but fortunately not that often. I visited your YT page. I just gave you a thumps up and a comment. The effort you put into making the video and the mix definitely deserved it. I do appreciate the competition from Denon, and when I arrange streaming events for me and my colleagues, they have the choice the best from both worlds. One of them is the Denon rep here and he provides the latest and greatest from Denon. I do keep up to date what happens and the people I surround myself with make sure I don't miss out on anything. This is from a couple of weeks ago. I start and DJ Matthew (Denon guy) take over after me. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYe8iZmgdrmah9k The thing about the ''innovation'' of Denons is that no one seems to use it. Not you, and not DJ Matthew, and not anyone else I watched using Denon, including LL. While i coiuld mention DJ's like James Hype and other that are really innovativ. Yet they seem to prefer the innovative gear... Personally I'm pretty traditional in my way of playing, obviously as I'm completely satisfied with what I get with the NXS2 setup, but I would love to see DJ's raising the innovation from Denon actually use that and do a little show off to demonstrate what it means in the real world. If they don't do more than I do with my ancient gear in this video, why even bother commenting about it. The sound coming out from this old gear is still pretty good don't you think :) . kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5CTaaCdmNt0o9E

[@harveyspecter1653]

@@dj-peterofficial2753 Hi Peter, thanks for the thumbs and comment. I also mean no disrespect here. Honestly, I have been DJ-ing since I was 16. I started with Lenco L75 S turn tables, then the Technics, then Denon CD players. In all honesty, I never had any issues with them. But as it goes, they got replaced by Pioneers. They worked very good too. The reason I finally moved towards the Denons was the combination of digital domain with analogue feel due to the rotating platter and also the fact they are closest to DJ controlling software giving you slicer, loop, rolling etc. In the end it will be up to the DJ. And I believe you can make great mixes with any gear, being it a Denon or Pioneer or NI or whatever. It's good there is choice. This should in the end lower prices and push innovation. About my video's, I use a software called synesthesia live. You can give it a try. You will need a green screen though but that costs nothing anymore these days. Have a nice day.

[@ernaXmeier]

"Size" doesn't really matter if 95% of clubs rock pioneer gear. If transitioning with rekordbox playlists from pioneer to denon devices was reliable & easy, maybe that would change slowly.

[@risquedj]

It is reliable and easy. EXTREMELY. Takes like 30 seconds for a flashdrive with a couple thousand songs.

[@DJDOG-zakkgamer6423]

Denon are number 1. Currently own a Prime 4. I have a Pair of Sc6000m’s & 1850 mixer on order , due in 2 weeks time.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

F yeah - sounds like a killer set up - I'm jealous - perhaps if I get more subs Denon will give me a set up so I can side with them ;)

[@DB82TECHNO]

It’s basically apple vs PC everyone has their own favourite and reason. And sometimes it’s familiar or what you bought first and maybe for others it’s what’s in clubs. Either way these two and traktor are cool and any DJ can use all given time. I have the Ddj 1000 and it’s amazing but the denons look pretty sweet too.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

I feel the same way

[@Suntdy007]

Finally someone who actually said it how it is!!! If your a good DJ and truly know and understand the art then the gear is irrelevant. You can rip it up on anything. Personally I have the prime go and prime 4. Nothing against pioneer, I just love the innovation Denon have come out with .

[@jerrardbeasley4247]

While this is true, I find that most people who say that are Pioneer people. And then when you suggest they play on something else, they try to weasel Pioneer stuff into the discussion by saying something like "I could just bring over the Pioneers, you know they are the standard everybody can play on them" Hoping you fall for it.

[@Suntdy007]

@@jerrardbeasley4247 true but I’m not a pioneer person and I try to be agnostic as that makes me better at what I do having said I’m leaning towards Denon especially as I’ve just seen the new release by pioneer the RX3 which again is just a repackaged RX2, no innovation whatsoever, no Wi-Fi, no streaming, only 2 channel and built on the same outdated tech.

[@benoitpiret9065]

It’s much about the feeling too. Which one gets less in the way… it’s like cameras… Leica, you pay more for less. Doesn’t get in the way. Streaming is great but not well implemented. Can’t really create playlists other than on the deck… Pioneer older pressure screen is still more reliable (denon you need to press 2-3 times some times for it to work) . The 2 features I really wish pioneer had are 1) the incorporated network switch 2) the dual layer These are really 2 major things IMO. Even though I don’t use 3 decks often having the capability handy to throw some accappela in a mix is cool (but not worth buying another CDJ…. I like a few features on the CDJ lacking on the denon 1) waveform preview 2) seing waveform from other deck 3) better key shift implementation 4) I personally like the library filters I like the touch and feel of the pioneer hardware better As far as price maybe there are a lot more consumer DJs than pro DJs and venues. I can’t see how pioneer would really justify such a difference (other than lower production)

[@hugojay3040]

Cheers Andrew ! That was a very thoughtful and nuanced take on the subject, you summed up the pros and cons in a very straight-forward and coherent manner. An interesting fact to eventually take into account is that you can read Recordbox formated USBs (cue points & all) on Denon equipment. I have a Prime 2 at home and use the same USBs that I use on the Pioneer setups I play on at clubs. In that regard the main factors you should take into account are the "feel" you evoked at the start of the video as well as the sturdiness of the gear, the double formatting between engine and RB really shouldn't be an issue. I bought my Prime 2 new for 800€ less than what the RX3 is retailed at so it was a bit of a no brainer for a budget-minded fella like myself. However if i could afford it, I probably would have shell'd out the extra dough for an RZ: external inputs, better effects and Full Sized Jogs. Like you said the intermediate stand alone range is where they really stand out, and for many of us DJs (especially techno, house, d&b) reliability, familiarity and refinement will more times that not weigh in our decision vs novelty & innovation.

[@Laxlii]

the prime go and the ddj 1000 are both amazing gears... but what i want is a standalone unit that I can throw into a backpack... especially, if I am only travelling with a motorcycle. I don't know where will I put a ddj 1000 including a laptop when travelling on two wheels. so for me the prime go suits me best.

[@stellamwaki]

I started out with Denon Controller and I have to say it's a score!! 👌🏾✨✨

[@salami2516]

watching these types of your videos always reminds me of the wealth of knowledge you have accumulated over your life and career. you could almost be a life coach haha. you should also make a video about your craziest and favourite sets and stories you've had over your dj career so far. cheers!

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Thanks so much Sam this is a huge compliment I really appreciate it - I think I would enjoy life coaching and I try to impart those kind of teachings into my channel and I appreciate you watching and picking up on that, I really do :)

[@richierich9696]

Denon is way better. It’s just that Pioneer has had better marketing.

[@jamessepulveda5202]

thats what I have been saying. Pioneer got that serato licensing on the jump with their controllers. although rekordbox i feel is better than Serato. But Rane and Denon is light years

[@DjRealll]

With the fact that Denon units can read Rekordbox prepared tunes, including hot cues etc, you can have Denon decks and not ever have to use their engine software and use Rekordbox prepared USB on the Denon gear and still rock up to a venue that has Pioneer.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Good call, I didn't mention that - Denon uses using Rekordbox

[@bboymac84]

Denon can use Rekordbox. Pioneer is here because old school DJs like it. Denon has great uses incase things fail. If you forget your usb or your usb don’t work denon works online! You don’t need USB’s anymore! That’s revolutionary!!

[@loicbaird7431]

Love the filming locations the past few vids

[@darrendeep]

Well said and well put. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I have switched from pioneer to Denon but to me it’s about what’s feels/best for consumer. Yes Pioneer do has some great features so do Denon. People need to research in what they want to buy and compare features in what they want.

[@iamandynewton]

As an "open format" DJ, quik mixing is key depending on the crowd. Denon gives me the ability to be as efficient as I would be on my Serato without a computer. And I can jump back & forth between the two setups without any discomfort. I just can't with Pioneer right now !

[@jordanstevens3927]

I have used pioneer gear quite a bit but recently I have given denon gear a run and I was super super impressed with everything the denon players could do and the ingenuity behind them and and the features are amazing so I actually went and purchased some and I have never wanted to go back to pioneer gear because pioneer hasn’t really changed their ways with their gear or done something that brings out the wow factor. Not only that but the denon gear is the fraction of the price of pioneer gear. And like you said it doesn’t matter about the gear it’s the person playing on the gear but it is cool to have the extra functions for more creativity. But I am not biased because I have played on both pioneer and denon gear I just really like the functionality of the denon gear that’s I went with that. But I too have had some very good and awesomely fun sets behind the pioneer decks in clubs and bars as well. I just like the direction denon is headed

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

I agree my experiences with Denon have also been good - hopefully they give me a set up - have to build the subs first!!! Then I can really root for them lol ;)

[@charithasirimanna5033]

Before the CDJ revolution, denon was a standard install on 18 inch racks.. Dual deck players. Dn 1800 and dn 2000f were the standard. Ahh the old days. :).. It is not over for pionner by a long shot. I have a very big soft spot for denon since I played with the dual decks in the 90s. But it will take sometime especially with covid to dislodge pionner from being the industry standard. It's just not gonna happen. No club is gonna invest on new gear when they can't even keep the place running. Maybe if the economy was good and we didn't have a raging pandemic there would have been a possibility.

[@mcpeko]

19". U for units

[@benoitpiret9065]

Another point is portability. With its dual layer and mended network switch and internal SSD, the denon kit is a lot easier to carry around in a flycase (acting as table) if you need 3-4 decks… a lot less things to worry about and much easier to setup. With CDJ, unless you play in a venue where they probably already have CDjs, you’re going to need to carry a few cases, think about your drive, a switch and even a stand probably when you do your own parties, weddings and private events…. So probably get CDJs for studio and denon when mobile :D the SC6000 kit isn’t much bigger than a prime 4

[@djdiscoworm]

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN ! DJ DISCOWORM SAN FRANSISCO LOVE DENON !

[@trevorsharman4338]

Club Ready DJ School you hit the nail on the head there its not the gear that makes a DJ but the DJ that makes the gear look good,,,, with the release off this new gear from both denon and pioneer and other has nothing with poor timing this gear would have been planed 2 to 3 years ago for release at around this time , they didn't plan for this covid 19 to be around,, and for the software unfortunately its the way of the future as all software not only the DJ software is going this way

[@VoyageOne1]

I just switched from Pioneer XDJ-700's to Denon SC5000's and it was the dual layer functionality that sold me.

[@jockeandersson2698]

I feel that Denon will take over but it might happen in say 5 years or so. Denon has really good products but my biggest concern is that, they still have way to many problems, if you following Denon groups on FB you'll see almost everyday issues with the players. As a dj you want your players to work all night long with out any problems. When Denon delivers on that, they will be a real threat.

[@darrendeep]

I have got SC6000 x2 and I have no problems with my decks what so ever. I think it’s more about the software for me (engine prime) it’s not as advanced as RB.

[@darrendeep]

@@codex6594 I never said that people don’t have problems with there unit or mixers.. All I said that I have no problem with my decks and Denon software is way behind RB. I have had loads of pioneer gear before and I have no problem with there gear. I switched to Denon because it felt more of a future proof thing, and value for money .The cdj3000 looks a great piece of kit, but I could not justify the price for two (plus it will be for home use only) Not being rude, but haven’t pioneer had issues before (hardware & software) it just comes down to preference in my eyes... it’s just nice to have a option

[@darrendeep]

@@codex6594 no worries mate. 🙏🏾👊🏾

[@trhoades2063]

Denon hardware is fine it's the software that's the issue engine prime sucks balls

[@jemmanuellrt]

Very, very, very nicely said with wisdom❗️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@SuperFluidFerroFluid]

Andrew you're a true legend, You wrap it all up so perfectly! I'd be honored if i were your student.

[@AuSCastDJ]

Love the vibe and the information,great location.

[@kristofknevels5670]

The way i'm taking advantage of the Denon/Pioneer battle is by buying 2000nxs2's for half price. Just got me a set that's basically brand new, half price and i'm loving it

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Score!!

[@skandral1339]

sound quality is the biggest factor for me. pioneer just has that smooth smooth sound. over denon

[@mikesantos38]

This just remides me like, the apple phone, and android phones.pay more for one and get less all the time, and pay less on android and get more for the buck.so in my opinion android wins.just like dennon get more and pay less,and have a different view in hiw much dennon made compare to pioneer. And the dj is the one that will make the difference in between how its done.good job to the dennon all the way for listing to the djs and made a big difference in djing for the new djs that will have more options available to them. Good job dennon I nkew u would kick ass.

[@mikesantos38]

@Wex well I'm just comparing it to pioneer, not 🍏. It's just a way to look at it. But even for my self in my opinion I think dennon is doing there best to do better in the future. As for money wise and get more it just makes more sense.and now djs like spend a reasonable price for equipment that has what they were waiting for. So it's time for a good change.we just can't give are money away to big corporations and get nothing back.now it will be more and, who will do more and pay average and happy wit what they get there money's worth. That's my opinion.

[@djpapakuma]

Loved the video! Thank you for your perspective! :)

[@ToddBryantsr]

I don’t think that existing clubs will change for a long time because they have an economy that allows them to amortize gear over time. So if a Pioneer CDJ and Mixer costs $7000, that’s $117 over 5 years whereas if a Denon setup costs $5000, it’s $83 over 5 years - materially insignificant for the volume that clubs pull. Nobody is going to risk their establish business over $30 a month. What will happen however is that new businesses and venues will bootstrap Denon gear because it’s technologically advanced and reasonably compatible.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

It's hard for a leopard to change its spots, I grew up with Pioneer, I am biased, just like if you grew up with Denon - people love what they know, it's weird :)

[@ToddBryantsr]

@@ClubReadyDJSchool I grew up on Pioneer gear too. It just got to a point where the price/feature curve for Pioneer became unsustainable and the people I was teaching couldn't afford the gear. Any current 4 channel Pioneer controller is within a couple of hundred for a Prime 4+ and then you need a laptop. That's a lot.

[@Traku25]

Thank you so much for your videos, i really learned a lot. You are a very nice person,and a very good teacher :)

[@bassjackerz6580]

I love your videos 💕

[@albertopopescu7848]

Great video 💪💪

[@dj_paultuk7052]

The other killer feature is you can put a HDD or SSD into one of the units. So you could have your entire music collection in one of the players. The other players are all connected on the Ethernet bus as the Denon mixer has a built in network switch. The other players then all access the music from the player that has an internal drive. The Prime4 controller also has a drive bay so thats a great option for the mobile / wedding DJ since you can carry unlimited music with you.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

You're right Denon has got the killer features - it'll be interesting to see how it all unfolds :)

[@ronnywouters7037]

16:07 So true. Pioneer earned it. Denon was actually market leader and club standard with the 2000F cd player. Denon dominated the market during the entire CDJ500 era and only when the CDJ100s came out and all existing 2000f players needed to be replaced, pioneer earned it.

[@easychats]

That was fun. What a cool guy . Respect 🙏🏼

[@windsailor]

I expected some giant spider falling from the tree or some weird 🐍 sneaking up... at least he is Australia :D

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

I admit, I scouted the area before setting up there lol ;)

[@benoitpiret9065]

I also wonder if the pioneer shortage will drive some new venues to go Denon

[@huwwackman]

A great video as always. Good work. Pioneer will be dominant for next 5 years at least. Like it or not, that's happening. Peace!

[@littlefela6889]

Both are good, denons pushing a lot more rn. How about we just learn how to dj properly😁

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Haha - you got it - that's the message of the video ;)

[@ToddBryantsr]

If you get Pioneer gear, you have to get a performance laptop . That price has to be factored in. Denon is a better platform.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

fair point :)

[@TheRckstr74]

Good video! I learned a lot! Thanks.👍

[@alandale6326]

Wedges vs Fries... Good debate.

[@lawrencebyrdsong7570]

The Standalone features that are available with Denon newest controllers destroys pioneer

[@bboymac84]

Exactly!!

[@KYLOWW]

Loved your video well said it definitely is a choice and that's the beauty preference. 😊🙏🏻

[@sinky4077]

best video on this subject. i dont think pioneer will have streaming in an update because the 3000 cant analyse tracks.

[@djquikdr]

When COVID-19 is no problem anymore for clubs , festivals it would be a perfect moment to make the mainstream switch from Pioneer to Denon. But I think the only way when clubs are going to make this switch is when a new feature is introduced by Denon (which is a must have feature) which Pioneer does not have. For example before Pioneer clubs used Technics turntables but then CD's became a thing which was supported by Pioneer. Hence the switch. So I can imagine if Denon would support a good streaming feature (maybe together with Beatport) which is not supported by Pioneer that that would be decisive.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

I always take notice of what you say - very good point :)

[@quantumtheory5111]

Self-admitted Pioneer fanboy here... Got two of the CDJ-3000 units new and one player was having issues. Tooks weeks to try and get meaningful help and Pioneer support was problematic - ended up not being of assistance (the last email giving them what they asked for went unanswered). A replacement was sent out for the CDJ-3000 unit and this one also had issues. The "new" replacement showed up in a Pioneer box that was obviously dropped / damaged and the platter was having issues upon unboxing (the outer generic shipper box wasn't damaged so unit packaged from Pioneer likely came this way from a Pioneer warehouse). On for the 3rd try now and hopefully this will be resolved soon. This experience seems to go against the touted reliability and durability of this new release. Love the new V10 mixer here and my confidence in the brand is simultaneously starting to lessen. They took forever to release the CDJ-3000 but it still feels rushed somehow with all of these quality control issues

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

This sucks. I feel you man, this would be enough to turn me off. I have also had some bad experiences with shipping :(

[@djbobrokk723]

unfortunately we live in a world where 'quality control' is an 'annoying option'..about 'customer care' Pioneer, Denon and Rane (which I've tried contact to about some tech questions) all of them given no reply..maybe better turntables and real vinyls..

[@quantumtheory5111]

@@ClubReadyDJSchool Ah sorry to hear that!

[@quantumtheory5111]

@@djbobrokk723 Yeah, no idea if Technics / Panasonic is better because I never had to get support on 1200's, haha. They've always been rock solid!

[@JamesLewis-er3qm]

I just bought the SC5000's and the X1850 mixer, and I will never use anything else!

[@d.holland209]

Denon all the way! They should have both in the clubs!

[@djrohan_presents]

brilliant observation on this debate. balanced and fair! lets just celebrate we have choice!

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

You get it. In truth I was a little nervous how this one would go down as it always gets so heated, but it seems I have a nice little followers of buddhist punk DJS! ;)

[@djrohan_presents]

@@ClubReadyDJSchool brilliant! keep doing what your doing, really enjoy your content

[@reddepo]

16:00 when monopoly meets complacency. Thank God for competition #Merica💪🏻🇺🇸

[@reddepo]

0:20 David is Goliath 🎤💧

[@mariolibasurf]

I compare with my fishing reels, some reels have 6 bearings (pioneer) and some brands have 11 bearings (denom) just to compete but doesn’t mean they are better, they do the same thing. Denom has put more features to sell it more and compete with pioneer but during a gig these features won’t be really used by the Dj, who is gonna use double layer and play 4 tracks during a gig? If the Dj is recording a video yes but during a gig I doubt because it’s so many things going on that the Dj end up just playing normal, look at the top Djs I don’t think they really care about performance pads they will just play and create an atmosphere that’s what matter, the biggest mistake of pioneer was to put the hot cues on top of the jog wheels the rest i think is good and their gear looks better ✌️

[@ToddBryantsr]

Andrew. Would you consider getting a Denon setup and teach using them?

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Perhaps if Denon gave me the gear haha!

[@Atem_S.]

still to this day, the best controller pioneer has ever made is the DDJ RZ.. The RZX had so much potential but you had to have a PC plugged to it and that's was a total joke in my opinion!! I would rather have an RZ with a tablet for screen and have everything I want! XZ is great but the 2 mic layout, the way they did it was dumb... How it was set before was fine! and could've had a screen there on each side! Having all the stuff on the center screen annoys me!

[@bigdaz7272]

Having to connect to your Laptop and use the software to be able to use Decks 3 & 4 is even more stupid decision than making the Recordbox Seqencer only available to Paid Subscription lol.

[@Atem_S.]

@@bigdaz7272 They literally told everyone we think you folks are dumb... When I saw that I went from level 9000hype to - 9000 in 0 seconds! They like to fuck up their controllers and it shows... Ever since the RZ, every single one had something dumb done to it!

[@Atem_S.]

@@bigdaz7272 am channelling my inner guru 'cause I swear I would buy them and start knocking sense in their heads...

[@ellijackson6023]

Love these videos

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Thanks Elli

[@tonzofgunzXD]

Thumbnail for the video is hilarious

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Yeah I know, I actually loving doing the thumbs :) :)

[@scottfrost317]

The problem with denon is they will abandon Oder gear faster than pioneer to get you to buy the latest. Their support is also WORSE THAN PIONEER. this happened when in music bought them. Seems to be the in music business model.

[@salami2516]

20:21 best part haha love his analysis in general, such a legend

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

The ends of the video usually are - it's when I get personally for all the people that have bothered to watch.

[@Jay_LM]

Waiting fot this video🔥

[@kartik_adhia]

me with a hercules controller ->😅😅😅

[@mcpeko]

I'm going from Pioneer XDJ R1 to XZ.

[@aloneinfiction4101]

Denon DJ 💜

[@Benderiukas]

About reliability is a good point, I think what will happen to Danon if someone bring it to Burning Man for 7 days in the dust :D :D :D And Pioneers play there 24/7 and same devices going there next year and next year again. About streaming services so their stream quality is still far behind if you looking to play on high end club or festival gear, I try 1 month Beatport so wasn't able to record mix from rekordbox , dj play count was not saved so I prefer to have music on my hdd. And the last thing is how you feel when you touch Pioneer gear and how it looks it's really make enjoyment to play even in the darkness :)

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Good call :)

[@Bogdyindahous]

You're right about what you say. Pioneer for clubs, Denon for businesses and private venues. You can manage one with the other as well, it's about preferance. Pioneer asks a lot of money for what they are offering in the last 5-10 years, but they will get it, their name speaks for itself. They're the pioneers of djijng and clubs. We have to remember that, things will change if they keep this direction a couple more years. I love the tree, just so I end the rather long comment on a fun note and I don't come out as being a serious dude about this debate. I'm no hater, if you're a dj, alright...You love the music and you don't give a f*** about the gear, the gear is just the tool you're using to create the magic and not the magic itself. People that get heated about this debate and battle missed their chance in doing something else, what I mean is, maybe they were better at doing something else in life. Do you honestly think if I hand out a cdj deck with a mixer to a die-for Denon fan and ask them to do a mix, they'll be like: "Sorry I don't work on Pioneer.."? Off course not, most of times, but there are some a bit crazy though, those people shouldn't dj.🙂🎧🎚️🎛️🎚️

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Love it, thank you!

[@Bogdyindahous]

@@ClubReadyDJSchool Cheers, mate! Wish you all the best, but most of all, good health. We need people like you to keep it up, until the new seeds will bloom to light the way forward.

[@ac12484]

You’re awesome! ;)

[@reddepo]

17:50 that’s cute; good for you. I’d like to introduce you to star link. 🙃 18:39 it is, that’s where you’re very wrong. The world is smaller. 19:29 yes, last years model. If you’re a dust rat dj seeking to secure your spot for retirement, than you’re right, but many have already retired. It’s time to hit the update button on your console and mind set thru mixing. 20:04 too late for that, they failed.

[@LobstaLegs]

MEGA RESPECT!

[@nemonada3501]

I liked Pioneer DJ, but they're getting complacent. The subscription model is ridiculous and the reason I'll never buy their stuff again. Denon are where I started, Numark is great for most things and where I'm going these days, and both those brands are pretty innovative.

[@nemonada3501]

Nice location shoot! Love the scenery ❤

[@dptv5458]

Not sure if this is a valid question here... Ok I'm old it's always been a childhood dream to be a DJ I chose text book life 1st and now finally found a gap to fulfill this childhood dream... I've decided to look at getting old equipment to DJ in my room with (spare room being married with kids) and not at all do any professional gigs... I've got kids and this is just me doing something for myself a bit... I've recently came across someone selling old equipment both sets for the same price... Pretty old but basically the route I would like to go / start from scratch if I can put it that way.. I would like to go the cdj route and not the controller route for my own personal nostalgic reasons... If anyone can help I've came across someone selling a pair of Denon DN-S3000 cdjs and a pair of Pioneer 800 Mk2 cdjs.... Any suggestions on which is the better pair.... I've read thousands of reviews and still don't know what is the better choice... Please help 🙏

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

I think in this case probably the Denon, however I would aim for the DDJ1000 if you can afford it - buy cheap buy twice :)

[@dptv5458]

@@ClubReadyDJSchool awesome. Thanks for your response. Much appreciated 🙏🏾

[@Trailer__Swift]

So if I get a DDJ-1000 am I going to have to subscribe to Rekordbox 6? Or will I get a key that gives me a lifetime license?

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

My advice, you could always use Rekordbox 5 - that's what heaps of people are doing but to answer your question - no you don't get a license with the 1000

[@windsailor]

DDJ 800 and DDJ 1000 (maybe even the 400) have hardware unlock for Rekordbox 6 so that you can use the performance features “for free”. Some features like lyrics won’t work though. But who needs that anyway?

[@jaka.valencic]

KING!!!

[@thevortexATM]

those of us with Roland gear(DJ-505) await the results of your pissing match :D

[@Rahimraissnia]

make how to mix dnb

[@VineV-Dutch]

DJ mixers are overpriced anyway, I've bought a 16(!!!) Channel Behringer mixer for 3/4 of the price of a DJM900/Denon 1850. It's just the name and the fact that dj's use it. I have a mixer which almost never leaves the house. So I started looking for studio mixers. Way better sound, much lower price. Do a video on that!! Everybody is paying easy to much, because dj's & famous clubs use that mixer. But for at home, young people can get better mixers for less money. In the end, most mixers work the same and have sorry of the same layout. And most dj's don't abuse gear anymore... It's not like you have to over-push a mixer for the sound anymore: the '90's are over, gear got better.

[@jerrardbeasley4247]

A DJM900NXS2 is about $2200USD and a DN-X1850 is about $1200USD so not even close in price. Furthermore, these are premium DJ mixers. a Behringer X32 is considered an entry to mid level at best mixing console. There are a ton of DJ mixers that would be considered entry to mid level and those cost about $500. These permium mixers are more like a Yamaha or Digico when compared to a Behringer. You could mix Aerosmith on a Behringer, but you wouldn't. Just like you could play Ultrafest with a Numark Scratch, but you wouldn't.

[@adamkukuczka3756]

Hi, i have a question.. why every dj use mac instead of windows.. what's the benefit ? 😁

[@matthewjswider]

Years ago, downloading iffy music was the issue. Macs just weren’t as susceptible to viruses. They were faster to load a track. I used to be able to download songs from lime wire on WiFi while still mixing on serato, on an iMac. There were zero PC’s that would pull that off without massive amounts of upgrades and optimization. Also, exclusivity. If I spend 5k on a laptop I’m a serious fucking Dj. If I walk in with a 500$ dell not only are the other Dj’s gonna be skeptical of my skills, so will the crowd and the promoters and everyone else. Nowadays PC’s can compete but the exclusivity factor still plays a little bit. Same goes for pioneer and denon. Walk into a guys house with a nexus setup or brand new 3k’s and you know that guy is seriously doing work. Not to say someone who bought denons isn’t but, from a glance it’s an obvious factor.

[@adamkukuczka3756]

Thanks dude

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Haha, this is it's own video and almost rivals the Denon vs Pioneer one. If you are just using your computer to prepare music for a USB it doesn't really matter, but I find when you start going down the more creative route - production, editing, even connecting your computer to a controller - the macs seem to operate a lot more efficiently - from personal experience - it seems macs where build for design and production in mind and PC's more for business - but that's a very loose spin on it :)

[@matthewjswider]

Club Ready DJ School This is an angle I didn’t even think about because I was just answering on a DJ level. If production is your focus then just remember one thing: windows commercials are made on Mac computers.

[@AlIguana]

@@ClubReadyDJSchool it's just "spheres of use". Macs were used by musicians, so naturally when it came to DJs taking up the laptop game they used what the musicians used on stage (just as upcoming DJs use what the superstar DJs use - Pioneer and Macbook.) Realistically though, there is little difference between platforms, iTunes/Beatport/Bandcamp/Rekordbox exists on both. For me, it's purely down to price. I can buy a PC laptop, use it to death for a year or two, then buy a new one, or probably 2, for the price of one Macbook. Does the Macbook have a longer shelf-life? Maybe. But then Big Sur comes along and messes up Rekordbox and it's like "gah you dont' get these problems with a cheap PC laptop" lol

[@easyrouge]

I have Pioneer Decks in my home studio but it’s common know that denon decks are better.....It’s nothing to do with age though ..A club sound dude told me clubs go for pioneer because of support reasons and their good relationship with clubs , the decks are easy to tear apart and repair..pioneer also do worldwide next day shipping for parts , denon have a reputation of being a pain to repair ...Yep pioneer over priced and rekordbox nowhere near as good a traktor...and yeah charging for features pissed people off cheeky gets ...

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

Well said :)

[@JL-bu8bz]

Less talk and more product

[@NOopulence]

Denon gear can read Rekordbox usb's.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

You are right, I was more concerned with people going from Denon to Pioneer, not Pioneer to Denon (as Denon has made that easy for people). But yes, in hind-site Denon reads Rekordbox so people could use Rekordbox software - but anyway as mentioned, IMO I don't think moving from one to another is that bigger deal and in many ways I prefer Denon, but I also love Pioneer - aggghhhh ;) Oh well, instead of pulling my hair out I'll just jam on whatever's in front of me and cross any bridges as they come :)

[@NOopulence]

Club Ready DJ School honestly if you know your fundamentals you can play on anything as you say in the video. When I made this comment I had someone else’s comment on this video in mind not the video itself haha. You’r video was very balanced and well informed. Thanks as usual:)

[@adrianfurtyk2663]

PIONEER is the past, DENON is the future.

[@LucidMusicIncRecordings]

LOL zero mention of Native Instruments.... Went with Denon.

[@ClubReadyDJSchool]

I love Native instruments but this video is more what people seem to be talking about right now - just a commentary video :)

[@tenantscltr]

Are you wearing a crystal bro?

[@Lordofbeings]

If you’re a club Dj, buy Pioneer. If you’re a wedding/private party DJ, but Denon 😊

[@jamessepulveda5202]

if I am club Dj and Im brining my gear im Brining Rane. No pioneer gear or controller can compare with Rane Sound Quality.

[@djoneforever]

New clubs gonna go with Denon. Why ? Better & cheaper