Deoxys-Speed is UNBANNED After 20+ Years.

[@jimothycool]

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[@jiankaifeng9164]

Merch idea: Jimothy Juul Pods

[@Herris456]

Jim you should do a video about iron boulder next IMO. I think it’s gonna get banned. One swords dance and there is no safe switch into cleave zen headbut.

[@fogwzu1939]

Specs Deo-S is very fun in gen 9 as you become a Dragapult at home which seems bad until you get to have basically 2 dragapults.

[@TheWretchedEgg12]

wait god damn, the typings are so wildly different that both can be on one team and fulfill different roles while being fast as fuck. Scary

[@A1D7]

Dragapult is Deo-S at home.

[@jimtsap04]

And it becomes even better once you realise you still outspeed all unboosted mons apart from other deoxys so you can run modest more safely than dragapult and you have a 140 bp stab move and all the coverage in the world so it's actually better specs pult

[@dorito29]

​​@@jimtsap04unfortunately you cant run modest, bc you become slower than iron boulder and scarfrai Sure theyre just 2 mons but those 2 mons are pretty strong in the meta rn so

[@Eggwynn]

my favourite thing about specs deo-s is that psycho boost 1 shots torkoal and pelipper so you can surprise someone by eliminating their weather setup while theyre expecting you to spread hazards

[@sombrego2260]

I love how power creep has become so insane that 4 legendaries/mythical pokémon are on the same OU teams and they are balanced for the metagame. Gen 9 power creep is ... insane.

[@TyeJak588]

tbf Darkrai's issue was always free set up via dark void, which got super nerfed

[@bosniagaming2708]

Heatran and cress have been ou for years already it’s not that weird

[@bosniagaming2708]

Just off the top of my head here’s a list of legendaries that have been ou mew, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, raikou, suicune, entei, celebi, jirachi, virizion, terrakion, cobalion, keldeo, hoopa, volcanion, necrozma, tapu bulu/koko/lele/fini, zamazenta, zeraora, zarude, wo-chien, chien-pao, ting-lu, chi-yu, walking wake, gouging fire, raging bolt, munkidori, okidogi, fezandipiti, kyurem, kyurem-black

[@notme8232]

Can't wait for Mewtwo and Ho-Oh to drop to OU in Gen 10

[@highwaystar4518]

@@bosniagaming2708serbia strong

[@20centsaday54]

Can't wait for gen 15 when they introduce stance change deoxys and it's a solid PU staple

[@larseunic]

Kyogre being rubl because weak BST and an ability that only sets rain up has no niche

[@larseunic]

I wish they gave a real ability to my boy mew two tho

[@20centsaday54]

@@larseunic give it neuroforce so it's insane movepool gives it a solid mixed attacker niche with expert belt

[@dadiscoverychannel]

Let's take a look at Deoxys-Speed, and it's various roles in the Gen 9 OU metagame.

[@ninjaelectivire1118]

The Physical Dragapult erasure is insane

[@CapmanOSPG]

It so annoying to use cos of fear of burn but I just can't help but use that 120 Base attack, then I get frustrated and end up switching back to Special Drag :/

[@fluff018]

Just goes to show how better special is offensively compared to physical. Sure you have to deal with chansey/blissy but at least you don’t have to deal with a status condition that half’s the user’s attack, an ability that lowers the attack stat by one on switch in or physically defensive mons like corviknight/skarmory. Surprised they never had a Pokémon whose ability was intimidate but lowers special attack instead. Also doesn’t help dragapult’s only good physical ghost move is a two time turn move

[@MaxBurnHeart]

@@fluff018 Not only that, Dragapult has very limited physical coverage. The physical variant has a hard time going against steel and fairy types in general.

[@ypob2007]

Honestly I prefer running a mixed set, mostly because of special walls. I really like specs with u turn, dragon darts, shadow ball, draco meteor. I usually don’t invest much into physical atk because it’s there mostly for when they throw a special investment wall at me and I can nuke them with a dragon darts coming off of a pretty good base atk stat

[@sthui2866]

Nobody running phantom force nor astonish

[@jamesgiles4517]

Deoxys speed might end up being balanced but I don't know what the council was thinking when they decided to let the 2 Deoxys forms who were infamous for they're hazard stacking run around in OU when the meta is already dealing with a hazard problem

[@viggosevenhant5595]

Finchinator X Gholdengo fanfiction when?

[@giratina6665]

The council really is run by Gholdengos

[@jamesgiles4517]

@@giratina6665 true 🤣

[@bananaspice1967]

Yeah but Deoxys-D can't keep up with the higher powered metagame. Especially since it's weak to two of the top three mon. It'll probably drop to UU.

[@רפאלזטקובצקי-כ7צ]

I feel like deoxys speed is actually helping the meta in that regard just by shutting down ribombee and smeargal with fast taunt

[@MJB_SC]

Deoxys actually does get a pivoting move: it gets Teleport! And I think the application of a Pokemon that has the potential to both outspeed and underspeed everything (when attempting to switch out at least) is pretty interesting

[@jimtsap04]

Teleport is kinda bad on deoxys speed but definitely amazing on defense because unlike other bulky Mons it's actually pretty fast so the guaranteed underspeed along with its great bulk to tank hits before pivoting out is a perfect combination

[@Ze_Carrot]

Yes the paper towel wants to be slow

[@PunkPimster]

Great, now this gives me more info on how to use Deoxys Speed and how to build a team around it. Thank you for the video, Jimothy!

[@skkadoot9533]

can't wait for the zacian-crowned OU sets in gen 10

[@petrie911]

I mean, it's double weak to sound type so it gets -3 attack on switch in with their new entry hazard. Its ridiculous BST is the only reason it's not UU.

[@skkadoot9533]

@@petrie911 that’s… that’s actually very reasonable

[@TRANSGENDER_EXTERMINATOR]

@@petrie911 sound type? new entry hazard? what are you talking about!!

[@larseunic]

Fire spikes deal double damage to steels

[@Qurupeco41]

​@@larseunicImagine they actually add a move that adds a lava floor as a Fire type entry hazard If it burned on top of dealing damage over time (more to Pokemon weak to fire) on whoever makes contact with the floor it would be pretty broken ngl, but it would be a nice concept indeed

[@nyx812]

From the unquestionably best pokemon in gen 4 ubers, to ou. Gen 9 powercreep.

[@matteodotdpsatgmaildotcom2451]

Snorlax was the best pokemon in the game *including ubers* in gen 2

[@Jordan13299]

Just give it some time. Once people realize it’s more than a hazard stacking lead and can run more sets viably than something like Mew can and it’ll probably get banned. Such is the power of an insane speed stat with balanced stats and a crazy movepool

[@N12015]

People is already realizing this. The main problems I'm seeing in OU are Deoxys Speed and Roaring Moon.

[@bluebaron6811]

@@N12015 I honestly have no issue with Deo-Speed. I dunno, I think he's fine, unless someone discovers some crazy new D-S tech.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

​@@bluebaron6811 I've seen different types of deoxys on ladder. Most are the general taunt + hazzards + sash, but some are also bringing superpower for gambit or even nasty plot + life orb. Deo-S is a very versatile mon.

[@larseunic]

Big speed, and the other stats are fine. Dragapult already had a good support set, d speed is even faster and had better moves

[@larseunic]

D speed has to be a very centralizing mon in ou, it has so much. People tend to sleep on non offensive mons

[@baronobeefdip8075]

Whoa! KO'd by one hit! It scattered Spikes!

[@backup4now]

Versatility is the name of the game here. In addition to lead hazards and alternative super fast revenge, the surprise factor of a defensive d-s can throw people off guard when they get a bad matchup lategame, and similar unusual sets can make it difficult to play around when it's not a lead.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

If you showed the Gen 9 tiers to a Gen 4 OU player, they would have a heart attack on the spot Darkrai and Deoxys-Speed in OU, Garchomp (and Heatran for a bit) in UU, Tyranitar in RU

[@jimtsap04]

Salamence too was uber and is now uu, tho at least its legacy is preserved by roaring moon

[@啊啊啊啊-m4s]

And Gliscor in ubers

[@Cyanidebeans]

Garchomp is OU again rn

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@@啊啊啊啊-m4s not anymore! at least for a little bit

[@TheRRhoynar]

​@@Cyanidebeansyeah, but Gliscor fall, and Chomp is the last option vs Gliscor, LandoT and Tusk, maibe he drop again

[@okolo22000]

I’m surprised that Deoxys-Defense isn’t being considered over this.

[@TheWretchedEgg12]

id guess its a little too tanky even vs boosted sweepers while having a little too many moves including recover. Imagine it teras at the right time and then just walls entire teams.

[@jaxsomon3333]

IG the higher ups are still traumatized from the last time they did that.

[@mrttc9348]

​@@jaxsomon3333Deoxys-D is OU rn tho

[@bananaspice1967]

Deoxys-D really only fits on more defensive teams. Deoxys-S is more splashable on more teamstyles. Deoxys-D will probably drop back to UU like in the past. Having a niche in OU as always due to Teleport.

[@jimtsap04]

Defense is good as it got better bulk than toxapex and better speed than even many offensive mons so it can be great bulky support with stuff like hazards t-wave knock off teleport and recover, however using it means you can't use the even more incredible deoxys speed so it really depends on your team',$ needs and usually speed is preferred over bulk

[@samlemay5333]

I may have misinterpreted what you said, but psychic noise shouldn’t prevent drain punch from being used. It only stops the lifesteal on lifesteal moves, they still do damage in game. Source: I used it against Lacey from the dlc’s Alcremie, it could still click draining kiss, It just wouldn’t heal from it.

[@DMSwordsmaster]

That's still a pretty harsh nerf for those moves. I mean literally the only reason those moves are used are for the healing, so taking them away just makes them weak damage moves.

[@ConverseTea68]

showdown just stops u from clicking moves that heal might not be in game but showdown treats it that way like sinstcha cant giga drain. ormatcha gatcha after psych noise

[@tymunster]

Deoxys-Slow has never been banned to Ubers, but now is being tested for generation 6.5 UU.

[@blackfriezaproductions]

Deoxys speed is one of the former Uber ranked Pokémon

[@wilfredterry1441]

No

[@pride_mitochondria3921]

No

[@luisprego2225]

why not

[@Sam-Pound]

Wait, really???

[@TyroneTheProphet]

​@@wilfredterry1441 Haha it's like stopping one of those viral fast food pay it forward chains. God bless you 🙏

[@Mijzelffan]

Great video as always, can't wait for the "Deoxys-speed banned from OU" video next week

[@a_person_1596]

For people talking about Deoxys-Defence or hazard stack, Deo-D is essentially a shitmon in gen 9. Its invested bulk is essentially the same as Mew's, but Mew has Will-o-Wisp, making it much better at running defensive sets. Mew also got Spikes in Gen 8, which means it now mostly outclasses Deo-D as a suicide lead thanks to its superior stats and movepool. You would almost never run Deo-D when Mew is stronger, faster, more versatile, has better utility moves, and is a better wall thanks to Will-o. The only advantages Deo-D has are Pressure and better bulk with just HP investment. In Gen 8 National Dex, this allowed it to run a Cosmic Power PP stalling set as a wincon on defensive teams. However, the Recover PP nerf severely hinders the viability of such a set in Gen 9. The worst part is, Deo-D is a worse Mew, and Mew is not at all good in Gen 9. Bulky Psychic-types don't do well in a Kingambit-infested metagame, it turns out. Mew even has Will-o-Wisp to potentially cripple an incoming Kingambit, while Deo-D gives it a free switch and is immediately forced out. Deo-D is currently in NatDex RUBL, and has no niche in UU because Mew is also in that tier. It's hard to imagine Deo-D doing any better in the main generation. EDIT: I just realized that Deo-D gets Teleport in SV but Mew doesn't. That might actually give it some sort of niche as a defensive pivot, though it's still extremely passive and lacks resistances. Also, it is notably bulkier than Mew with 252 HP/252 Spe, so it might be a better lead in UU, but I'm not sure. It's also competing for the lead slot with the 10 billion mons that got Spikes, notably Sandy Shocks, which is as fast as Deo-S with booster energy but has much better stats and typing.

[@a_person_1596]

calcs: 252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Deoxys-Defense: 102-121 (33.5 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mew: 142-168 (35.1 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Deoxys-Defense: 132-156 (43.4 - 51.3%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 198-234 (49 - 57.9%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO

[@N12015]

It was already a pokémon who would have been fine back in gen 7 considering Z-Moves keep it in check. Is a worse toxapex as far as I can tell.

[@DoctorTomm]

Deoxys-speed is in the top 4 of the spaghetti pokemon, so it might indeed get banned later. we'll just have to see folks.

[@glitchedoom]

The Noodle Meta is sadly overlooked by most players.

[@plumsweater7947]

This pokemon's coverage is insane.

[@dastardlydwarf6909]

Deoxys speed just eat one too many pies and now all the paradox zoomers with their speed boosting protein shakes can outspeed it

[@Rose-ez7yn]

tbh i really like mixed deos with psycho boost knock superpower/low kick and spikes. its stupidly fast but the coverage means even stuff that should on paper answer you really really well (ting lu, galarian slowking) is actually quite a subpar check

[@UnfunnyGoose]

The fact that 20 years has passed makes me feel like I've been hit by roar of time

[@DoodleWill]

I really missed Heal Block when it got Dex Cut, a move nobody really cared about but personally the idea of being able to stop pokemon like Chansey and Ferrothorn passive healing was really nice, of course in comp it is extremely niche but still.

[@techknight3753]

If Deoxys forms were actually bound to their specific move pools then I think they would be so much more interesting. For example, deoxys defence would be the only one with spikes, speed would be the only one with e-speed (*deo-a might?), along with a ton of little coverage differences

[@superiortroodon3112]

I kinda thought the deoxys forms would be a problem in the tier, obviously not because of their power, but because of their hazard. These Pokémon have always been amazing hazard setters, and this gen in particular has a pretty major hazard problem, so I figured introducing the deoxys forms would send the hazard issue over the edge.

[@azeria1]

The question is it better to be ou then ubers since more people will use you and you will be more relevant since it is the most played tier so I disagree with deoxys speed feeling humiliated

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Yep. Better being OU than useless in Ubers and too powerful for OU. But Ubers UU is a thing so there's that.

[@aldwych285]

You're too slow!!! -Regieleki

[@akow2655]

Australians and Emus definitely have one of the greatest rivalries in anime history

[@memes77387]

This is insane.

[@redwarrior118]

Deo-S was also unbanned in gen 5 and gen 6

[@jamesgiles4517]

And banned because of hazard stacking

[@larseunic]

Goldhengo also exists in gen 9. Oh oh

[@LordEgilYGO]

For Stellar type the best way I've seen it described is as somewhat similar to shadow pokemon

[@dii3218]

i remember when Platinum came out and Deoxys-S was tested for OU, it was fun using it back then, excited to run Trick Room/E.Speed again

[@kefkapalazzo1]

Power creep over time is insane to see

[@larseunic]

Remember when a 100 attack normal type was the best mon in gen 1 ou ?

[@larseunic]

Well actually that's not fair given gen 1 mechanics

[@Luigicat117]

I'd love to see another video on Weavile now that it gained Triple Axel.

[@blomgaming6480]

Idk what the crazyness is all about this already happened in gen 5

[@c_f0rce]

And gen 6. People are just freaking out because they know nothing. It's literally noob players who have never even looked at d speeds trash stats. A fuck ton of speed to do what exactly?

[@larseunic]

It's not that crazy but it's always been centralizing in ou for its support sets. Might not rise to Uber again tho.

[@piku2able]

What I think that makes deoxys truly balanced, is that it "only" has 95 offensive stats. By gen 9 standards is quite weak. It is a truly good lead, tho predictable. It's also slower that some paradox mons under the sun. I think that both Deoxys are good in OU, not broken

[@henriquepacheco7473]

pult has historically made great use of "just" 100 special attack. Of course, Dragapult has a few traits over Deo-S, especially u-turn and stab shadow ball, but considering Deo-S has way more speed and also a much broader utility/coverage movepool, I wouldn't quite discount its potential as a brokemon yet.

[@piku2able]

@@henriquepacheco7473 As you already said, Dragapult can easily pivot, and does have two really good stabs. It's not that I find Deoxys-Speed "bad". On the contrary, I think it's good. I just don't believe that it's (for now, at least) broken, not yet at least

[@glennakiovideo]

I been having fun using it as a revenge killer and set up disruptor. Taunt, Psycho Boost, and a coverage move to clean up slower pokemon followed by the rare focus sash + counter to stop dragon dancers and other snowballing sweepers Special focused pokémon is it's only blind spot in this hyper offensive metagame right now

[@SalmonOfK84]

Tbf, this one is at least a little less surprising. Deo-S has been tested a bunch over the years, this is just the first time it's not been absolutely overwhelming (yet)

[@Cyanidebeans]

Can't wait for Miraidon and Mega Rayquaza to be OU next gen and for literally every legendary to be in OU next gen

[@enoyna1001]

I still don't know what qualifies for 'being OU'. What if, let's say, 50% of the current OU mons are shifting to a higher tier*? Why is the tier still called OU and why isn't the higher tier with all those mons called the new OU? *I didn't want to call it 'banned' and create an easy argument for a distinction between OU and Ubers.

[@olafmikoaj3121]

​@@enoyna1001 Imean OU is the main metagame. There isn't anything higher than OU. Ubers is a OU ban list so overcrowded that it bacame it's own tier. So everything that isn't balanced enough is in Ubers. If Zacian Crowned fell to OU that would mean it's not broken for standard metagame any more. Basically people kinda want some pokemon to be overpowered so these pokemon will feel more special.

[@enoyna1001]

@@olafmikoaj3121 But then why isn't Ubers UU considered the standard meta? It's balanced as far as I can tell and all that is not gets sent to Ubers.

[@olafmikoaj3121]

@@enoyna1001 But Ubers UU is Ubers. These pokemon are still used considered Uber tier which means the are banned from OU. Ubers UU is a fan metagame with pokemon that have low usage in normal Ubers metagame.

[@enoyna1001]

@@olafmikoaj3121 Yes, and OU mons are banned from UU, and so on. Everyhing we list is a fan metagame. I don't know what questions to ask to get the answer I'm looking for.

[@MrShadowThief]

At this point I'm wondering what's the point of Ubers anymore.

[@CapmanOSPG]

Current Set i'm running with Deoxys -S, let me know what you guys think: Great Tusk @ Booster Energy Ability: Protosynthesis Tera Type: Ice EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Stealth Rock - Rapid Spin - Ice Spinner - Headlong Rush Gholdengo @ Air Balloon Ability: Good as Gold Tera Type: Fairy EVs: 64 HP / 252 SpA / 192 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Dazzling Gleam - Make It Rain - Nasty Plot - Shadow Ball Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy Ability: Protosynthesis Tera Type: Flying EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Acrobatics - Knock Off - Dragon Dance - Dragon Tail Enamorus @ Choice Scarf Ability: Contrary Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Stellar EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Earth Power - Moonblast - Tera Blast - Mystical Fire Kingambit @ Lum Berry Ability: Supreme Overlord Tera Type: Flying EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Sucker Punch - Kowtow Cleave - Low Kick - Swords Dance Deoxys-Speed @ Focus Sash Ability: Pressure Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Ghost EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Psycho Boost - Spikes - Stealth Rock - Taunt pokepast.es/a1fa8da4f45e9c7a

[@bg8561]

Roaring moon dragon tail sounds kinda bad ngl.

[@CapmanOSPG]

@@bg8561 I initially had EQ in there but opted for a potential set-up counter which also offers dragon stab, especially if hazards are already up. I see what you mean though, it weakens Moon's full on attacking prowess but it's a work in progress. I might end up running roar on Ninetales-A as a lead to make up for this

[@alimirza4608]

@@CapmanOSPG but 90% of the time roaring moon would get OHKO'd by the things it wants to dragon tail away so wouldnt it just be better to yknow...... use something else lik roost or eq

[@CapmanOSPG]

@@alimirza4608 fair point, I’ll definitely be tweaking things a little here, thanks 👍🏾

[@jimtsap04]

Booster tusk isn't that good so probably run lefties or something, and gliscor is not that common currently with deo-s being the primary hazard setter so I'd replace ice spinner with temper flare to dunk on dengo(give it attack instead of hp investment as well to ensure ohkos) and obviously without ice spinner change the tera type to maybe steel or fire, or you can keep ice spinner and change rocks with temper flare if you find 2 rocks users redundant. Also you don't need both earth power and mystical fire on enamo especially with stellar tera blast so probably change mystical fire to healing wish,and gleam isn't that useful on dengo so probably change it to recover or maybe turn it into a t-wave hex set, you can keep tera fairy or change it to water or dark if you want.

[@Submissive-Soul]

Deoxys speed is one of the former Ubers ranked Pokemon that is now being tested in gen 9 OU.

[@tobin2.0]

Can't wait for Gen 10 where Arceus falls into OU

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

Deoxys-Speed is one of the former Ubers-ranked Pokemon that is now currently tested in Generation 9 OU. The power creep is getting high, folks.

[@LAZZA1993]

*really high

[@sethnicholson8048]

Smh

[@wizard5552]

Darkrai is currently A-B rank in viability lol

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I think that Deoxys Speed might end up being ruled as OverCentralizing because it is versatile enough to run Skill Swap and make dedicated anti-hazard pokemon like Magic Bounce Sableye/Diancie cry. Speed lead teams are always tough

[@dolphinheadlock1977]

Sableye/Diancie? Megas don’t exist anymore in SVOU

[@danielgysi5729]

That enamorous set looks super fun. I missed that it got contrary. I was over here trying to make Malamar work

[@ShadowXeldron]

All pretence of the universe staying in balance is now officially over. I will be retreating to my ultra-secure bunker where I will remain until balance has been restored.

[@AvaluggEnjoyer420]

its still stronk 💀💀💀

[@marcoleali111]

1:28 Deoxys actually has teleport!

[@beni_802]

very nice video! It would be nice if you raised the volume of your mic with like 20% tho

[@Alola_love7119]

Is there any updates on Iron Thugulis?

[@TylerjWebb]

I think it's time we remove the psychic resistance from steel types... how is they former titan of a type so bad. What they did to psychic is why I initially hated fary type.

[@frtd12345]

I think the reason it doesn't feel too oppressive this time is due to completion from other very strong mons. Samurott-H completely beats it in the lead matchup since it doesn't fear taunt, has the type advantage and priority to prevent 2 layers going up. Ting-Lu and Glimmora also offer alternatives for hazard setting that are still very good in their own right. Offensive Deo-S can be scary but even with fantastic speed and coverage, 95 Sp.Atk isn't that crazy these days and things like Dragapult will offer more over the course of a battle, namely resistances and immunities.

[@shadowdraqon2479]

The taunt hazard lead set is terrible now, it is vastly outclassed and countered by smeargle. Thx to the introduction of stone axe and ceaseless edge. Smeargle is no longer shitted on by magic bounce or taunt or magic coat. So smeargle(nuzzle/rapid spin/stone axe/ceasless edge) will win 1v1 vs deoxys with taunt stelf rox spikes.

[@shadowdraqon2479]

Because of this, i feel deoxys Speed wont be banned and might even drop to UU

[@silvesta5027]

That hyper offensive team is so cool

[@Mepphy99]

Darkrai tearing a part some shit and Deoxys-S being ... Deoxys-S is always fun, even tho a think skarmory and excadrill are more sane addiction than those two

[@itsyaboi1245]

check this out folks Deoxys-S in the Scarlet and Violet OU metagame

[@Flamelance_Accendo]

Its crazy that Deoxys speed at +EVs is as fast as Regieleki's base speed.

[@SamuelDwightVanDeusen]

I think what defines Deoxys-speed is it's supreme moveset options, not it's stats. We've historically seen Pokemon with similar bulk & offenses & *effectively* similar speed not do nearly as well bc they didn't really have good utility moves and were basically just revenge killers

[@iss2075]

I think it will probably get banned eventually. This same thing has happened again and again since Gen IV. I'm surprised they still bother testing it each time.

[@michaelballack3051]

I love screens taunt deoxys speed

[@mogamerman]

Watching this while drunk hi Jim!!!!!! I have a personal goal in life to radicalise one of your viewers so that one day when an their airstrike hits a major city you can go “this is insane” and get free content out of it

[@-addo-]

as an australian, jimothy is very well versed in the “emu-style” pokemon after losing the war to them

[@NobodyDungeons]

Keep in mind expanding force has returned so don’t forget to take advantage of the psychic hyper beam

[@certifiedicecreamtruckmoment]

I AM SO FUCKING MAD EXPANDING FORCE CAME BACK BUT RISING VOLTAGE DIDN'T

[@blueknight8657]

Didn't I hear that Psychic Noise doesn't block Regenerator? Something to note if true

[@phoebe5114]

I sae the thumbnail and laughed so loud it startled my cat

[@RetiredPenguin]

Psychic noise doesn't block regenerator though, unfortunately.

[@Scrap_]

Yea the power creep this gen made me switch to doubles- And doubles made me switch to league of legends.

[@gbpooky]

5:47 boots pivot the house down

[@alfiehaddow3647]

can you do a video quick summarising each ou pokemon?

[@wonderfulrose477]

Lmaooo Jimmy’s Espathra PTSD will never end

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

0:35 - to quibble, doesn’t Phermosa have 181 speed just to rub salt in Deoxys-Speed’s wound?

[@stallsunguy3064]

If you're not running Max Speed in Deoxys-Speed, I would personally run Modest and then a bit more Speed EVs instead of Timid and more HP EVs because the extra power feels more important than the extra health, but that's me ig lol

[@aclevername7613]

When this this is considered balanced as gliscor you got a clear indicator power creep has been allowed to go to high and something drastic needs to be changed.

[@about7grams]

Speed pokemon is one of the former deoxys ranked Uber

[@thomasxl200]

Kinda crazy that Deoxys is 20 years old 0_o

[@FenShen-us9tv]

damn we're old

[@jonathano503]

Power creep is really creepy

[@timothyswain2382]

Deoxys speed actually has teleport, not that it would run it but it does have a switching move.

[@EnjoyGengar]

Trick Room wants a word with this :)

[@ultimatehope549]

Gen 9 power creep is ludicrous

[@hessiankyojin]

Looks like Deoxys Defense is next

[@TheFallfish]

The year is 20XX Mewtwo is one of the former ubers ranked pokemon

[@timmyreobed5043]

We're probably going to see multiple boxart legendaries dropping to OU by Gen 10-11. Zamazenta could use the company.

[@KindaKaon]

Deoxys-slow is two of the future PU ranked digimon

[@ashemabahumat4173]

Oboi, I cant wait for this speed demon of a mon to just be a hazard/taunt/explosion/screen lead. Again. Not that I dislike it nor think it shouldn't be in the tier, but it won't have a need to innovate.

[@alb7466]

deoxys speed does have a pivoting move, just not one it would use

[@jimtsap04]

Teleport is definitely amazing on deoxys defense though as negative priority is massive for a wall that's actually fast

[@alb7466]

@@jimtsap04 the teleport buff was one of the coolest buffs they have ever done imo and its such a shame they immediately robbed it in the next generation since almost nothing gets it

[@ArtisanAspirationWorks]

The Tiers in Gen 9 are this. If a Pokemon is banned from OU. Use the Pokemon the said Uber was meant to be checked against by the game designers.

[@TheCangu97]

"you don't assume dragapult is going to set up screens" it's the most used set on showdown, jim if i see a dragapult i take for granted they're going to set screens

[@TheRRhoynar]

I love deo speed, but i realy thing he is broken, just for gholdengo, hazzards are a problem in this gen, and DeoS is one of the best setters in history, and have the movepool and the speed, i hope he stay, but is hard

[@RealNikTrustMe]

what happened to gholdengo? did it get banned to ubers or something?

[@darkmoonblade4165]

pokemon power creep is so scary that deoxys speed is ou with 180 speed

[@enoyna1001]

Ninjask isn't threatening, either.

[@CoralReaper707]

How about deoxys defense? Is he eating well tonight?

[@larseunic]

Probably uu, could be OU because ou lacks good defensive mons. Psychic typing sucks for tanks tho

[@N12015]

Nope. It's terrible and would have been meh back in Sun/Moon.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

deoxys speed was never really a hazard stacker in ou, that wasn't why it was banned iirc, deoxys defense was way better as a hazard lead, even in HO teams. once people realized defense was good, deoxys speed was never used for hazards. deoxys speeds real "claim to fame" was its mixed set, it was a godlike revenge killer that was incredibly hard to wall, it had perfect coverage, utility in knock off, nuke power with psycho boost, and could be tailored to specifically target ANY pokemon. you could outpace the entire meta, and have enough ev's to max out both attack and special attack so both sides hit like a truck.

[@M3rtyville]

I think Speed Form will be banned. High base power moves and insane speed makes it pretty much a better Talonflame from gen 6. And we know how insane Talonflame was despite its low offense. Not to mention, there is tera.

[@500938ful]

Waiting on shaymin sky to arrive

[@verytired8340]

I wonder what the meta would looke like without switch in hazards

[@jimtsap04]

I wonder more how it would be without dengo and more defog users

[@enoyna1001]

Fire and/or Flying types go *BRRRRRRRR*

[@Sunny92809]

Stall would be absolutely insane