Actually, today big part of the fans credit Alan for EVERYTHING, and when it comes to Martin, they talk only about his lyrics. That's unfair, dude. And writing a demo is a tough work considering you have to make every song different and memorable. Alan worked with pretty much finished ideas which he just had to polished. I would say give Martin the credit he REALLY deserves. We all know what Alan did, no one disagrees at all here >.>
@attilaremzso74046 жыл бұрын
I like ur opinion , but I recon we cant compare really the two persons. Look at the spanis taster of the have and to hold or the Alan's version on the MFTM. both great, and no one can refuse the part of Alan's part from the DM's success
@ash23neuro5 жыл бұрын
Alan took production from MftM and his input increased but earlier already was hard working in studios with Gareth and Daniel.
@plutostube4 жыл бұрын
agree 100%! I love Alan as much but let's be honest, this demo, the one for "shake the disease" and "lie to me" one shows clearly the melodic lines where written totally by Martin, in these 3 cases actually everything was done by him beside mix/production. What was really beautiful over the time, was this "ping pong" between them, rarely see in a project 2 genius persons, beside maybe The Beatles
@trancer4e4life4 жыл бұрын
@@attilaremzso7404 No one refuses it but in all comment sections i see Alan's name. "Alan this, Alan that". Fine, i don't mind it at all when it's in healthy doses, but those people's comments sound like they think Alan did all. That's what i do not like! Clearly, Alan wouldn't have come up with Strangelove, Shake the Disease, Everything Counts and so on if it wasn't for Martin's melodies and progressions, since, by their own words, in earlier years they stayed close to the demos. Which demos they were? Which melodies they were? Martin's and it seems like no one gives him credit for the music of DM! This annoys me. DM is my all time fav band and i know who did what and who didn't do. I just want to live in a world where BOTH of them are credited and cherished for the MUSIC. Not Alan for the music, and Martin for the lyrics. Unfair, man. Totally unfair. I know what Alan did, i know DM doesn't sound the same without him (tho honestly if he stayed, they would've sounded with the same darkness like years ago and i wouldn't have liked that probably, my opinion, what happened - happened) but everything the people talk is pretty much about him. And DM is not only him who did ALL. Unfair and sad. Just a little bit appreciation for Martin's music is all i want. I want to see people talking about his genius with coming up with these songs but i haven't read even one such comment. I know they exist but they are overshadowed by... you know what.
@attilaremzso74044 жыл бұрын
@@trancer4e4life okay, so let's see this more clearly. The only person who was educated to music really was AW. Forget it, ... music can go on without that sometimes pretty well. Than we need consider only the history of DM and the facts. Alan was apply for an advertising but was 5 years older... the three whos are there still today were probably never forget that cheat ever. 5 years means a lot, especcially when U are young. I know, as I have a brother like that. But when U are older and come from a family was more organized and things... again that can be a huge gap. AW was more principaled and decided to quit after SOFAD. the other three wanted still live and act like teenagers. So what can we say about the studio work? Marin is a genious, right. I like his deep dark relegious and anti relegious ideas... Whatever. There was only one man to sit and sit in the studio all the time and fcuk the fun around, but give a fcuk about the sounds.... and beside the MLG lirycs that was lift to the top the DM. :) I don't know what else to say really. Flood could tell more maybe about the very last period. Ask him :) ;) Peace and thanks to take time to write to me. Take care
@ICTS223 жыл бұрын
The Black Celebration version of this is my my favorite Depeche Mode song ever.
@vladimirivkovic60309 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.... these demo songs (voice+drums+keys) are something to put Volume on max. on Your stereo.
@mswildergore8 жыл бұрын
"With or without words I'll confide everything..." Those lyrics. That got me back when I was in high school listening to it and even now many years later. Damn, I love this song and Black Celebration.. I have always loved this band, still do and always will...
@ash23neuro5 жыл бұрын
'And I feel your warmth And it feels like home And there's someone Calling on the telephone Let's stay home It's cold outside And I have so much To confide to you'
@nc58093 жыл бұрын
This is extra haunting in its demo form.
@MikaAaAaS12 жыл бұрын
Martin is a poet
@revelatorj0hnn Жыл бұрын
I love Martin sm, his voice in this demo is so comforting
@wysterm35045 жыл бұрын
Love this song and Martin ❤️
@SSS.1984 Жыл бұрын
As a musician I gotta admit that I have a great fondess for the demos before the mixing/production process. There is a real intimacy captured on a demo recording. You don't get the full studio experience, but what you get is pure, raw, uncut and unprocessed musicianship! Listening back to old demos reminds me of just why I live to create. One can spend hours on songs like these only to produce half a dozen minutes or less of music. But every hour spent has been worth it!
@revelatorj0hnn Жыл бұрын
Ik a lot of people criticized DM for the SOTU demos, but I like some of the demos more than the final songs
@SSS.1984 Жыл бұрын
@@revelatorj0hnn same with the Delta Machine demos.
@davidnavarro48214 жыл бұрын
Martin Gore likes to write haunting sensual lyrics.
@nc58093 жыл бұрын
Electrosleaze
@easytigeruk1234567895 жыл бұрын
I am amazed by martins use of notes. even more complex tracks like "walking my shues" everything was there. just needed polishing. I did read that the band asked mart to do less in demo after music for the masses as he pretty much made the complete sound. Alan did add alot but i do think he gets overplayed
@Syfoll3 жыл бұрын
His demos are great, but just for very simple songs, such as this one. I don't think he was very good harmonically, here he basically just stacks melodies on top of melodies, which are great, I've learned them all, but he isn't a very dynamic composer. I can't imagine him being able to orchestrate something like Black Celebration (the song), or It Doesn't Matter Two all by himself and you can hear the differences between how A Broken Frame sounds vs how Construction Time Again sounds.
@basehead6173 жыл бұрын
@@Syfoll I think he is actually fantastic harmonically (at least he developed into it) - the ‘counterpoint’ style was more of an early stylistic choice.. the 2 main choices for the band were avoiding playing chords and avoiding using the same sound twice.. but for a pop songwriter some of his songs are quite advanced harmonically underneath at all.. that is not to discount Alan’s production choices but I think the songs are fully musically formed
@messybuttons75252 жыл бұрын
@@basehead617 I agree with you. Martin’s grasp on melody and harmony is very good. In fact I’m shocked he had such a firm grasp on songwriting at such a young age.
@leoninocat50705 ай бұрын
Alan got his hand from Music from the masses onwards
@19stretch7215 жыл бұрын
i love love love this,prefer to the polished end result , thanks for posting D M forever!
@donpedro25215 жыл бұрын
Here is the house Where it all happens Those tender moments Under this roof Colours and shapes marge together As we come closer together And is it happens It happens here in this house And I feel your warmth And it feels like home And there's someone Calling on the telephone Let's stay home It's cold outside And I have so much To confide to you With or without words I'll confide everything Here is the house Where it all happens Those tender moments Under this roof Colours and shapes marge together As we come closer together And as it happens It happens here in this house So we stay at home And I'm by your side And you know What's going on inside Inside my heart Inside this house And I just want to Let it out for you And I feel your warmth And it feels like home And I feel your warmth And it feels like home Here is the house Where it all happens Those tender moments Under this roof Colours and shapes marge together As we come closer together
@MDWIMS6 жыл бұрын
... ach ich liebe diese Depeche Demos. Martin ist einfach genial und Dave gibt dann den Songs seine ganz eigene Note. Sooooooooo klasse
@Kohlewerk5 жыл бұрын
mich stört das jedes mal Mr. Wilder vergessen wird...
@alregis86684 жыл бұрын
A lot of lyrics are changed in Black Celebration's demos. And I agree, Martin could already made DM alone, others guys sublimed his work, but he really deserves more than the others members (who are still very good artists).
@evilspin10 жыл бұрын
Love the change to body and soul come together better. Its a more sexual and relatable lyric to the songs subject
@blueshifter11 ай бұрын
This. That change truly takes the song to the level of "timeless classic".
@Hirnlego99914 жыл бұрын
The synth melody is perfect!
@kaleid199015 жыл бұрын
Ah, I love this demo!
@mezzovii5 жыл бұрын
I love the sound. My heart is forever DM 🔊
@TheyMadeMonsters9 жыл бұрын
Unique original tunes like this deserves massive reeespect..! ;-o ! It's nice to hear this being played because as with you it has had a profound influence on my life, very inspirational stuff! thanks for the upload! It's cool to connect :)
@alexkumar95936 жыл бұрын
Why did not discover this 3 years ago?
@SynthMusicWorld13 жыл бұрын
@deltamode8 the fans may know, but he never got official recognition for it...that was one of the big reasons why Alan left DM in the first place. "Since joining in 1982, I have continually striven to give total energy, enthusiasm and commitment to the furthering of the group's success and in spite of a consistent imbalance in the distribution of the workload, willingly offered this...this level of input never received the respect and acknowledgement that it warrants."
@HortusMedia11 жыл бұрын
it would be interesting to hear more demos.. From this one it is clear that Martin apart from the song basics (lyrics, vocal melody, chords), also created the majority of the arrangements that will end up on the album version. The song is basically all here, apart from the production touches.
@Syfoll3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, it's very clear when a song changed very little, and when Alan's presence is more strongly felt. Martin-dominated songs are very monophonic feeling, there isn't that much harmony, it's just stacking melodies and countetmelodies on top of each other, while songs where Alan changed more are much richer harmonically and more synchopated rhythmically.
@basehead6173 жыл бұрын
@@Syfoll yup... also, if it has a drumloop, that's Alan's presence.. lol. personally I feel like Martin's demos prove he didn't need any special producer or musician band member to make their music special.. Alan to me was more like a good remixer
@leoninocat50705 ай бұрын
In Violator and Music for...Alan did the harmonies
@22bk113 Жыл бұрын
Alan , changed this into a classic🎵🎵🎵🎵
@THEdjpluto15 жыл бұрын
I like "colours and shapes merge together" better than the other lyric.
@blueshifter11 ай бұрын
C'mon. I was thinking the opposite! That small change gives this song such emotional depth, sublimely capturing the depth and intimacy of a couple in love sharing a home home truly feels like. Body. And Soul. Frikkin' genius!
@ucity882 жыл бұрын
I SO miss Martin's bleepy bloopy synthy demos! *sigh*
@tikzero14 жыл бұрын
great! Thanks you for the upload of the one of my DM favourite song
@tssajo8 жыл бұрын
I heard, it was originally titled "Colors and Shapes"
@z00h5 жыл бұрын
Ich don't think so. It was titled "Colours and Shapes".
@johnnyneuchs6813 жыл бұрын
lovely. just love it.
@TheRelevo10 жыл бұрын
SEMPRE EM QUALQUER VERSÃO, DEPECHE MODE É MUITO BOM!
@krba20107613 жыл бұрын
this is lovely.
@SiouplaitMerci15 жыл бұрын
Very very nice !!! Thxs for this demo !
@lockwyn15 жыл бұрын
great demo, great song, ty for upload!
@b.l.u4 жыл бұрын
love this demo so hard
@MisterWilliamss3 ай бұрын
Proof of the GENIUS OF ALAN WILDER
@maiaramoniquesantossouza65859 жыл бұрын
isso e belo !!!
@biospark6415 жыл бұрын
I don't see why everyone says that this is fake. I mean, Martin doesn't always have to sing in his tenor voice that we're used to, this was a demo to practice on. If this demo is fake, then the Enjoy The Silence demo is fake. Now, we know that demo is real, if I'm not mistaken, the Enjoy The Silence demo was released to the public on the single (And I'm not confusing it with the Harmonium version).
@rascallydave6 жыл бұрын
biospark64 This is absolutely Martin. He's singing melody and harmony. And yeah Martin has a deep baritone and tenor. He's a great singer. My wife is obsessed with Martin and got me hooked on DM a long time ago.
@tendragon200012 жыл бұрын
i agree man.... I heard a rumour They travel far You know what it's like The way people are They talk and they talk Though they don't understand
@miitudja4882Ай бұрын
AWESOME 🖤🌹🤍
@JaredLeesMom15 жыл бұрын
thank you thank you thank you!!!
@JesseDark10115 жыл бұрын
@berlinerkind73 Of course he is it... Is it a very young Martin!
@thomasgary12195 жыл бұрын
For some odd reason I can see this as one of those early Beatles song's with Lennon and McCartney harmonizing
@vilhjalmrwt3 жыл бұрын
Most excellent Most kool Most loved group in this world
@Domisimi15 жыл бұрын
Oooh ... I love it.
@GarryShepherdDreamGazePostPunk Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the demos were better than album version, though this is raw and more acoustic, album version wins this time, Thank you for the upload!¡☆🎸🔥🎹🎶🎵
@DxModel219 Жыл бұрын
The album version wins it but listen to the Live acoustic version when Martin plays it in San Francisco during the Violator tour… it may sound if not better just as good as the album.
@dana.15463 жыл бұрын
I always loved this song. They often joke in the band that they would release it as a single because they don't seem to like it that much, but I truly think it would have made an amazing single release. I just love that song so much. People often say that DM owed a lot to Alan Wilder and he was good yes. But there would have been no Depeche Mode at all after 1982 if it wasn't for Martin's. All the great songs he wrote are no fluke or luck, just raw talent for writing. And I believe Alan was responsible for a lot of the most darker side of DM, a darkness that wasn't there in the beggining before Alan's influence became more important (look at See You and a lot of The Broken Frame stuff). But sometimes Alan was right, Enjoy The Silence wouldn't have been the same without him that's for sure that's why together there was a unique and marvelous balance from 83 to 93.
@Syfoll3 жыл бұрын
Yes, both are important, and overpraising one, devalues the other. To have the classic Depeche sound, you need both and of course Dave's voice
@trancer4e4life15 жыл бұрын
Vleon1012, how you are so sure only Alan worked on this song? You think that he made all DM songs on his own? Hate when people think that he did all and don't appreciate the work of others who helped the band.Give credit to others as well.
@biospark6415 жыл бұрын
Actually I was mistaken, heheh... Though there was a demo CD was released on the box set of Sounds of The Universe, and Martin's voice is very similar to here.
@melodymontana53705 жыл бұрын
Nice
@differentcoloredsox15 жыл бұрын
so, so, so wonderful...mmmmmmmm
@AleahDHehe3 жыл бұрын
hi
@rori3dura6 жыл бұрын
I dunno why but I prefer this version
@simpsonizadoful9 жыл бұрын
Menuda instrumentalizacion le metió Alan Wilder al tema!!!!! Sin duda toda la calidad de las canciones de Martín se le deben al el.
@wwiitop8 жыл бұрын
Eso es una tontería Martin hacía las demos muy basicas, de hecho la estructura del tema entera ya está en su demo y después Alan,el productor y Alan o el productor y el grupo ( Ya que no sabemos que influencía tuvo cada uno en el estudio en esta cancion en particular ) la refinaron ... pero de ahí a decir que toda la calidad se deben a él es una autentica barbaridad ...
@youtuvevida8 жыл бұрын
Manuel Carballo el crédito es de Martín concuerdo bastante si bien suena muy simple, en la interpretación de Dave no hay grandes cambio, Alan debería llevarse el crédito si ha cambiado la estructura para mejor pero no cambio casi nada, por lo tanto el 80% del crédito es de Martín.
@THEdjpluto15 жыл бұрын
@RabbitPunching And "Body and Soul" doesn't? lol Besides, colours and shapes is a much more creative lyric.
@M_Carter_13 жыл бұрын
@scott56239 i really doubt that he "never got credit" for that. most depeche mode fans who know their shit are aware of how much and what exactly alan contibuted
@basehead6173 жыл бұрын
he contributed nothing to this song, essentially
@tino_superrospo49493 жыл бұрын
Sborro con questi demo e ❤
@croonologist8 жыл бұрын
oh and have you noticed that very final chord on 4:24??
@croonologist7 жыл бұрын
A beatlesque 6th
@benoitminfirgilbert43683 жыл бұрын
I must produce a 120th comment
@RabbitPunching15 жыл бұрын
@81pluto ummmm...just has more meaning, but colors and shapes...well, as creative the lyric is, well, it's just jibberish.
@MichaelHahnDesign15 жыл бұрын
The the h... did you get this demo??
@DepModMuffin11 жыл бұрын
Yep. That's why these days their sound isn't as refined. They still don't bother, but there's no one there to take over the duty.
@mswildergore8 жыл бұрын
Yep. I know. I have been re listening to so much of their songs, but I always go back to their early albums. Something about them. SO awesome!
@strychnyne35302 ай бұрын
is that a guitar riff i hear?
@skacicki15 жыл бұрын
stare ale jare
@alregis86684 жыл бұрын
Does Martin play guitar here ? Why not more of this ? ...
@DepModMuffin4 жыл бұрын
He does not. Most of his demos were made with a simple keyboard.
@alregis86684 жыл бұрын
@@DepModMuffin OK.
@alregis86684 жыл бұрын
@@DepModMuffin However at 4:24 I really hear it like a guitar.
@alregis86684 жыл бұрын
Edit : Plus he said that he composes at first with his guitar, so it is not impossible.
@DepModMuffin4 жыл бұрын
@@alregis8668 He does, but the demos presented to the band were almost always made on a synth, especially in the early days.
@vnvmode15 жыл бұрын
Not a fake.
@SynthMusicWorld13 жыл бұрын
@mattressjedi Alan took Martin's raw work like this and turned it into what you heard on the album...and he never got credit for that.
@rascallydave6 жыл бұрын
Scott Smith without Martin there are NO songs. He created the structure,melodies AND lyrics. This is just a home demo like Martin always creates alone. Alan goes in with big pro studio equipment and adds fills and affects. Of course it sounds better. Martin could make the whole album himself, but he always wanted to be in a band. Even Alan credits Martin with All the songs, except for the few Alan write on earlier albums. Stating he added affects later and wanted more credit for producing. He has always stated he isn't prolific like Martin at coming up with great songs.
@FlickanIDetKroktaRummet4 жыл бұрын
you truly are the biggest idiot of all time. this is a demo recording of a new song, he wrote more than 40 for BC and recorded all of them as demos. you truly believe that this would have been the album version if Alan wasnt't in the band... have you thought about that Martin isn't the lead singer? have you thought about that Depeche Mode is a band and not a home studio project like Recoil?
@SynthMusicWorld4 жыл бұрын
@@FlickanIDetKroktaRummet what you're saying does line up with what Alan Wilder himself said when he left the band. Are you saying he's a liar?
@SynthMusicWorld4 жыл бұрын
@@FlickanIDetKroktaRummet listen to Some Great Reward, and then listen to Hydrology &1+2, and maybe it will sink into your head that the samples used in the Recoil recordings are the same as the samples used in Some Great Reward...because Alan created them. Not Martin. Not Fletch. Not Dave. Have more respect for the man.
@hamishcox792512 жыл бұрын
Sometimes song writers use "guide" lyrics
@PerteTotale15 жыл бұрын
1985
@beitos4411 жыл бұрын
I agree with that. Alan was great, but in my opinion seem overrated compared to Martin and Dave. Having followed the group from the early 1980s, I find it strange to read about how Alan sort of was the genious of the band. Well, if not for Vince, the group might not have lived long enough to release any material. And then, if not for Martin, they likely wouldn't have songs good enough to release albums.
@dukeofpearl8 жыл бұрын
beitos44 from construction time again right through to SOFAD you can hear Alan's production/engineer skills. Whilst they did have Gareth Jones and Flood, it was ultimately Alan that made the Mode so domineering from their best periods in time. 🕶
@Hirnlego9997 жыл бұрын
Without Vince there would have been no DM as Vince was pretty much the driving force behind it.
@RabbitPunching15 жыл бұрын
@81pluto no way, colors and shapes is just well, just gay
@avantkool63684 жыл бұрын
what about colours and genders merging together ?
@evilspin11 жыл бұрын
Oh were you there for each work? ignorance
@withouto15 жыл бұрын
its a biz to earn a living to be a fake like this. haha, i know many die hard fans believe it blindly and proud to be a rarity collector. martin and daniel just let it go.
@brokenpromise98096 жыл бұрын
E-G
@d3p3ch3mod314 жыл бұрын
body and soul come together is a thousand times better than colours and shapes. body and soul all goes back to the idea of the mental vs biological thing that's been so big in philosophy as opposed to colors and shapes which is basicly just filler. one is about spiritual healing through love, the other is just catchy and takes away half the meaning of the song