Are We Predestined Or Do We Choose To Be Saved? | Q&A With Derek Prince

[@patriciakamanda5490]

One of the best Christian teachers the world has ever known! I always feel energised and revived in my spirit when listening to his teachings!

[@JosephYdelacruzi]

To everyone: Derect Prince preaching is aired everyday in New zealand chrisitian radio and tv station for.more than 30 years untill now.

[@hermanvisser4034]

How beautifull a message. I never leave empty handed after watching Derek Prince.

[@Deograce18]

Same here

[@arjancornelissen9634]

@@hermanvisser4034 "Nothing in my hands I bring, simply to Thine cross I cling!" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) Beste Herman, ik heb de boeken van Derek Prince stukgelezen zo'n kwart eeuw geleden, echt waar... Tot ik door kreeg dat deze leer niet strookt met wat de Heere Jezus Christus Zelf leert aangaande deze dingen, met name in Johannes hoofdstuk zes en zeventien. En: "the Golden Chain of Redemption", Romeinen 8:30. Derek Prince is niet voor mij gekruisigd en Degene Die dat wél is leerde hele andere dingen, dus KIES (...) zorgvuldig wie je wil volgen. Persoonlijk heb ik inmiddels liever dat Gods Geest alles uit mijn handen slaat wat niet van Hem is, óók alle leraren waarvan ik dacht dat ze heilig waren, zoals DP. Geloof de Schrift en volg Jezus.

[@jcfrazier5853]

"God chose me before I was born. I'm glad He did, otherwise He might have changed His mind " Charles Spurgeon

[@traceyhart2297]

When God chose you He already knew all you would ever do and still choose you thats real love

[@arjancornelissen9634]

That's why I rather listen to Charles Haddon Spurgeon than to DP. 🎉

[@peacefulruler1]

God chose Judas also. Chosen doesn't mean salvation. We are saved by His Grace through Our faith.

[@arjancornelissen9634]

@@peacefulruler1 wrong, God predestined Judas to be the son of perdition according to Scripture (John 17:12) but you Arminians can't accept the fact that saving faith is a gift of free sovereign grace from the Father Who chooses the Bride.

[@lawrence1318]

@@peacefulruler1 We are saved by Christ's faith in us. So it is all of Him.

[@marving0mez]

There is a lot of spiritual food in here, Brother! May you continue to be filled with all the fullness of God to overflowing!

[@charfraser1916]

I prefer teachers over preachers. I love the calmness

[@arjancornelissen9634]

It's ear tickling, isn't it? 🎉

[@zway4jesus]

@@arjancornelissen9634 and heart scratching too...

[@csinalabama73]

Those who are saved are predestined to be conformed to his image. Meaning, once you are saved the Lord will bring you on to conformance to his image, regardless of yourself getting in the way of it.

[@TamAllen-zc8hu]

I believe God does predestine certain ones in every generation so that the gospel will be preserved and spread through every generation. I also believe we have free will. And there are those who will and those who won’t freely choose salvation. I was born into a Christian home.Christianity is all I have ever known. I entered into salvation at age 8 and was nurtured in a loving Christian home. Both my uncle and my cousin entered the ministry. I cannot imagine a life without Jesus, the Father Abba, and the indwelling Holy Spirit. And I am so thankful. But I am equally thankful every time I witness someone else being saved and baptized. Life with Jesus is so beautiful and wonderful. I pray every day for those who are lost.

[@baphikorkhyriem1186]

Praise God for teachers like Derek Prince. I've struggled with the concept of predestination for a long time because I've always viewed it as contrary to free will. But this teaching has made me realise that these two concepts can coexist without contraditing each other.

[@ronnieherrera8830]

There is a way God can only explain. Each is given time to know, believe and be saved.

[@charlesratcliff2016]

I know I have free will with God has ordained. But it was God who choose me. I remember studying Sanctification in Scripture and creed. Creed agreed with Scripture. But all I could do is trust in God.

[@VijayReddy-gb5li]

Father Derek Prince, my teacher always taught something new everyday... Today I've learnt this 5:40 "if you completely know something now, totally, you know it's whole past and it's whole future." True a real vital point.

[@enotstehw]

Every knee will bow every tongue will confess that he is lord!

[@dsp62122]

That says it all.

[@JontheBerean]

Most will be crying tears of regret 😢

[@enotstehw]

@@JontheBerean So your God is a failure?

[@angloaust1575]

It's God drawing his elect to faith and repentance! Made willing in the day Of his power None can come unless drawn!

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

Timeline and context are essential. In John 6 God has called those before Christ's death and resurrection to learn and be disciples BUT Jesus' identity was hidden from the masses to insure his death. Paul says if they had known they would not have killed him. BUT...Jesus promised in John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me." And now he does. Just as Paul affirms in Acts 17 at Mars Hill. Jesus does not draw only his 'elect'. Jesus IS THE ELECT. Those who believe are only called because they are now... in Him. No one is chosen "to be" In Him... Eph 1 says they are chosen 'in Him' because the Holy Spirit seals believers AFTER they believe in him, not before.

[@angloaust1575]

The word all means all.the elect from every nation Belief comes after salvation Paul didn't believe until he was drawn by Christ on the road To Damascus! Even the devils believe and tremble! Simon the sorcerer believed And was baptised!

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

@@angloaust1575 Are you saying that salvation/regeneration comes 'before' belief'?

[@angloaust1575]

My own conversion Altho I believed in God I didn't believe in Jesus Until I was drawn I was dead in sin! Never heard any preaching Or involved in a church Until after salvation! Elect are drawn from all Situations! Amen John3v21 interesting Scripture

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

@@angloaust1575 the issue with predestination is understanding who is predestined and 'to what' are the predestined. No one in scripture is predestined 'to be' saved. Believers are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ and to the redemption of the body. A future event... We are sealed by the Holy Spirit 'after' we believe', not before. And the presence of the Holy Spirit in us is the 'earnest' deposit of our future redemption. Which is the Hope of Glory within all Christians. The Calvinist position regarding man's condition of 'dead in sin' demands that man is dead like Lazarus and BORN Totally unable to respond positively to God....until and unless God regenerates him first effectually causing and enabling him to come to Christ.... and man is unable to resist when God does this. He literally has nothing to do with it. They claim man cannot and would not choose to accept salvation even when presented with it. And God only does this act upon a pre-destined group chosen before the foundation of the world. Calvinism is wrong about that. And since it's the foundation stone from which all of their doctrine cascades, their conclusions are in error. Biblically, Regeneration/Salvation does not come before believing or exercising faith in Christ. Being 'dead in sin' is to be understood, not as Lazarus (which has nothing to do with salvation) but dead as Jesus said in parable of the Prodigal Son. The father says my son who was dead is now alive. He came to himself in the pig pen and chose to come home. The father was not obligated to receive him, but demonstrated mercy and love in restoring him. God is not obligated to save any one but has promised to save whosoever will believe. And can be trusted to honor his word. Some men will believe, some will not... but anyone can. That's why it's Good News for every man.

[@driver26swx31]

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

[@chillycheeks5318]

Such a difficult subject to deal with. Ultimately, we can’t explain God’s mind and balance it with the responsibility of the individual human life. Love Derek Price and admire his attempt to explain the apparent contradiction of God’s sovereignty and human responsibility.

[@williammiller6110]

So many people have rejected God because they were taught by so-called christians that God pre-determines who will be saved... leaving them no choice in the matter. What a destructive lie it is to suggest that God is not big enough to allow free will in His creation. Derek gets this right, and says this very well.

[@gabbeo21]

I agree, it is indeed a destructive lie. God also has a free will and he can change his mind. If we can do it then he can do it. He still knows in every moment which possible choices that will fulfill his plan.

[@hyeminkwun9523]

God never compels anyone to be saved, but leaves every man free to choose Life or Death on his own free will (Sirach 15:17). There should not be any confusion.

[@bible1st]

@@williammiller6110 well it all stems from a misunderstanding regarding God's foreknowledge. In a sense he did elect and predetermined but....not like they think. God by default done this the moment he chose to create , having already the foreknowledge of who would be saved and who not....he already had this knowledge and still chose to create thereby electing because in a world with free creatures with the capacity to choose , some will always reject the truth and sone will accept. God could make a perfect world but then we would all be robots with no ability to love ,or , reason , or deliberate.

[@williammiller6110]

@@gabbeo21 You said that God has free will and can change his mind. That is an interesting point, because the choices we make today can LIMIT the choices we CAN MAKE tomorrow. If you choose to jump off a cliff, free will cannot then save you from the fall. Our free will has consequences. Our choices AND God's choices have consequences, AND LIMITS choices going forward. For us, that is one thing... for God, it is another and even MORE RESTRICTING... For we are NOT God. We are flawed, and it is very well understood that we make mistakes, can change our mind, and we suffer the consequences. However, God does NOT make mistakes... and more often times CANNOT change His mind. When He makes a choice such as establishing a law or granting His creation free will, He CANNOT go back on it, because it would demonstrate that He does makes mistakes, making Him Not God. This is why His foreknowledge of our future choices is crucial to His accomplishing His will (He uses all things for good)... using the bad choices we make for good, even though we may have to in some way suffer the immediate consequences. God's Intervening or reversing the consequences of our choice to sin, or even the choice to reject Him would establish that we actually have no free will at all. This is why (i think) that the Law of Sin and death was established... Because He knew that man would reject Him (Adam & Eve would sin) and would need a mechanism by which they (we) could change our mind and escape the eternal consequence of that rejection through the blood of Christ Himself.

[@williammiller6110]

@@bible1st I hear you and agree, but I would like to point out that the word is pre-destined not pre-determined... There is a difference, and I think that is the true source of the problem with Romans 8:11. Salvation is a matter of ownership according to our choice (faith) in His Gift (Christ). If we CHOOSE to belong to God, then He pre-defines our PATH IN LIFE (destination) as He takes us THROUGH it. The enemy twists this passage by making us think "destination" is referring to heaven or hell, thereby removing our choice from the matter. The passage is talking about the process of our transformation... not our final resting place.

[@williamloree905]

There are free will Christians and then there are Gods elect. I didn’t ask I just was saved by a super natural power. He cleaned my mouth and I heard water all around me. My eyes were open to scripture that I have been studying since 2004. I have to study I love Gods Word.

[@HKFromAbove]

Love this. Yes God is in control. But is not controlling. IE. It's not just mere allowing. It Him exactly what will happen. What we will do in each second. What each atom will do. Yet each of those things is free to close crash and move as it designed to do. We are designed to have free will. And free to make choices some for good and some for bad. But in all that God still knows exactly what will happen and never surprised. I like to think God knows all outcomes of all possibilities

[@libertyc8688]

Amazing teacher, I could listen to him all day long. Thank you Lord for this saint.

[@terryfonz4603]

He predestined those that He knew would choose Him. It’s pretty simple!! God knows ahead of time what we will do because He is outside of time and He can see all of time laid out like a scroll so He knows what will happen. Therefore all the ones that would choose Him He predestines them!

[@bremac7]

Exactly 100%

[@Fleetstreetbestone]

makes sense, I honestly don't really care. All that matters is faith in Jesus.

[@blessedrthosesermount99]

Wow, great conclusion, thank you! 😊

[@sunshinegirl1967]

So glad to hear an honest answer. Both are true. And the best way to approach it is to hold in tension two seemingly conflicting views, knowing that no one, if he were honest, truly understands the full counsel of God. Usually people take sides. I love how Mr Price said it's not wise to take one thing that God said to prove how He didn't mean something else He said. Best answer I've heard yet. Thank you!

[@peterxuereb9884]

God can not confuse us by holding two conflicting views that is the most rediculas belief and understanding about the bible.

[@augustineusikhifo64]

Ultimately, God will always work to bring everyone to the knowledge of the Truth. Knowing the truth now puts the ball in our court to either exercise our will positively or negatively on the basis of the revealed truth. God doesn't compel us to respond but does everything to make us see the light of truth and knowledge and understanding so we can react on the basis of it. We are not held accountable for our will until we have come to the point of knowing, then our will is truly exercised and the choice is ours.

[@tammysims8716]

Mike Winger does a great exegesis of scripture on the subject. He answers lots of questions through scripture and dispels errors related to the subject as well.

[@EGGZ1983]

This is litteraly the hardest question i struggle with all the time.

[@iamdanieloye]

Beautiful answer. Predestination is God pre-ordaining the result of our choices based on His foreknowledge not God pre-ordaining our choices to the exclusion of free will.

[@piehound]

Yes nice word salad. But i can come up with good stuff based on scriptures also. But they aint payin me the big bucks. And "free" anything is an illusion.

[@Mark-fr5of]

Wrong

[@piehound]

@@Mark-fr5of Right . . . *A - N - D* . . . Wrong

[@HB_IE52829]

Where exactly is then the aspect of predestination? Forgive me, but it sounds like a chain of buzzwords... God bless!

[@piehound]

@@HB_IE52829 (1) Whadaya mean by " aspect of " ?? (2) No forgiveness for a real question. (3) It's either predestination or NO predestination. " Aspect of predestination " ?? What is that ????

[@carolynedunsford6582]

one is predestined to come to God through yeshua but one has the freewill to choose our path

[@partlysimpson5154]

But why some die, they never have Gods calling..like dream or touch by God, like some testimonies do? I have thought

[@jonnyfrench19]

Where does freewill come into predestination? 'No one can come to me except the Father draws him.' Seems cut and dried to Scripture, and that's good enough for me.

[@driver26swx31]

First, we are predestined then we have free will to choose if we walk in the spirit or the flesh. It’s not both at the same time yet it’s both in its respective timing. Peace.

[@kimberlyrainey771]

This was my thought as well.God bless you. ❤️

[@patmyles4776]

If we are predestined, we can only have one choice

[@JohnDaniel38]

So simple…. Why was this so hard to understand for so long…

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

My thoughts too. Free will is a gift that infers great personal responsibility. Thank YOU God. You created man in Your image, not satan’s.

[@EGGZ1983]

I believe God is love and he is all knowing. But I just can't get my head around this. You can't have both. If your outcome is pre destined (which it has to be because we are here In the present time), THEN regardless of what choices you make, it doesn't change the fact that You are limited to to ONLY make the one choice on eternity. Every single person ever created has a pre destined outcome on eternity. This for me takes away free will, because your eternal future has been pre determined REGARDLESS of your decisions here and now.

[@ChrisXMetal]

Many are called, few are chosen. Romans 8:30 King James Version 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

[@MooMoo-ef5tv]

Few are chosen because their seed wasn't planted in good ground.

[@MooMoo-ef5tv]

If we are lukewarm we aren't going to make it. If we don't take the time to build a relationship with God, we won't be chosen. We have free will.

[@jamesesparks]

LOL..can you say out of context...

[@aletheamallory9674]

AMEN.......ABBA FATHER already know those who are HIS Children. 👑💓🙏🏾💞👑

[@terryfonz4603]

So praying for them is necessary to fullfill what God already predestined!

[@ToyneHarris]

There should be no confusion on the subject of predestination. Yes God does predestinate people to be saved. But on what basis? On the basis of His foreknowledge of how each individual will react to the gospel. God knows who will respond positively and accept His invitation of redemption through the shed blood, the death, burial and resurrection of His sinless son, Jesus Christ. God knows the end from the beginning, since He dwells outside of time. His choice of the elect is based on His foreknowledge of who, by exercise of their FREE WILL, choose His offer of mercy and grace.

[@Tekoa80]

This is my understanding of the topic, too 😊

[@dsp62122]

Interesting testimony you gave... That is, among us, you testify that the Lord Jesus foreknew that someone such as yourself would choose to respond positively and accept His invitation of redemption. I commend you. Foolishly, I thought it was my Lord Jesus Christ who alone chose to do the will of the Lord. As for my testimony to you... The Lord Jesus chose me by His grace before the creation of Creation to be predestined to be saved from out of this perishing world. It was my Lord, God, and Savior Jesus who alone by His grace sovereignly changed my heart, my mind, and my free will so that I believed, repented, live by faith through Him, and strive to live a life pleasing to Him. He chose me to be among the first fruits of His many future eternal sons and daughters that are to come to declare His eternal Gospel. Unequivocally then, all honor and glory redound to my Lord, God, and Savior Jesus for my salvation. ...Unequivocally. That is, I had zero to do with my salvation. Zero. So, then, that is my testimony as to how my Lord, God, and Savior Jesus saved me from out of this perishing world. Therefore, it would seem that you and I have given radically different testimonies as to how we were saved. But, alas, our different testimonies will be settled on that glorious Day of our Lord Jesus. That is, if we are alive and remain till His coming. Otherwise, our different testimonies will be settled when we fall asleep in Him. In either case, we both, indeed, all of us, will be appearing before Him to give our testimonies. So, if you are confident in your testimony, then I trust that you will confidently testify to our Lord Jesus that you chose to respond positively to His offer of redemption. I, on the other hand, will be kneeling before Him thanking Him for sovereignly saving me by His grace before the creation of Creation. Now, then, with those starkly different testimonies before our Lord Jesus awaiting the both of us to give... If I may boldly add by telling you this. The good news for you? You, too, like me, will be kneeling before our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus. Then you will be, in a flash, and the twinkling of His eye, be made incorruptible and immortal. Then your present testimony will be changed. Therefore, what awaits us both is eternal life with our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus in a new Creation. After all, that is His eternal Gospel to all of mankind who will be changed into His eternal sons and daughters.

[@maxwelltaranhike9194]

This son was our ancestor Isaac. When he married Rebekah, she gave birth to twins. But before they were born, before they had done anything good or bad, she received a message from God. (This message shows that God chooses people according to his own purposes; he calls people, but not according to their good or bad works.) She was told, “Your older son will serve your younger son.” In the words of the Scriptures, “I loved Jacob, but I rejected Esau.” Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not! For God said to Moses, “I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.” So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it. For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.” So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen. Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles. [Romans 9:10-24]

[@dsp62122]

@maxwelltaranhike9194 I commend you for citing Romans 9. Through Romans 9, Paul revealed the Lord Jesus's eternal Gospel for mankind that He predestined before the creation of Creation. But, there are many among us for whom Romans 9 can be very difficult to understand or accept as it were. Indeed, many among us will say there is tension between the Lord's predestination of all things and our being free will beings. They say such things because they have been blinded. They do not understand the obvious that should be plainly understood... Our Lord Jesus is in the process of creating His future eternal sons and daughters who are made in His image. That is, to be truly made in His image His future eternal sons and daughters are presently being inculcated with the knowledge of good and evil molded together with free will. So, then, as a Creator, it was necessary for Him to do things just as He is doing them as Paul declared in Romans 9. But Paul also revealed the Lord Jesus's eternal Gospel and thus reconciled any tension some would have between predestination and free will. That is, Paul revealed in Romans 9 how these things work together to bring about the Lord's eternal Gospel through Romans 9:22-24... "What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory- even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?" So, then, since this reveals the Lord Jesus's eternal Gospel for mankind it begs the obvious question... Who are the objects of our Lord Jesus's wrath and mercy... ...That is obvious to those to whom the Gospel has been revealed.

[@maxwelltaranhike9194]

@@dsp62122 Freewill remains true. But freewill remains paralyzed unless we have a predisposition towards one thing among the choices. Now the fallen man is predisposed towards fallen things. He can never have a desire for God, only for fallen things that is why he is fallen. 'God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if anyone is truly wise, if anyone seeks God. But no, all have turned away; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not a single one!' [Psalm 53:2-3] That is the state of the entire human race until grace enters the scene. It is grace that regenerates fallen man to a state where he desires God. Now he exercises the same old freewill but he is able to choose God. The operations of grace are the means of divine election....the sovereignty of God.

[@damonhunter7522]

Derek Prince is by far my favourite go-to pastor for insight (2nd only to the Holy Spirit), But when Jesus Christ himself was amazed at the faith of both the Centurion & Lady at the table who humbled herself (both were seeking healing for loved ones), This 'amazement' by Jesus Christ very strongly suggests, to myself at least, that He was not expecting to hear these response from said gentiles, Yea, i firmly believ that God the Father knows the begining from the ebd, But i also believe that 'our choices' decide our fates and are outside of GOD' influence in our daily decisions made, Just my opinion mind based upon Scripture.

[@Franklin-ww6nc]

God knows our response because He's all powerful. You can say our response is not compelled but God has all power to persuade.

[@barbarajackson3901]

Lord, have Mercy!!!❤

[@watchmanjason]

The love of God is so compelling. But one thing for sure as written in the Scriptures... The Father is doing the drawing, it's not our will.

[@RobMaskell-r4v]

You had better hope, that is true for you❤😂😂 haha

[@bjones5791]

i'm just glad i picked Jesus.He seems cool.

[@peteroreilly7065]

We take different options for every single action in our lives. In effect, we have infinite numbers of decisions in our lives. God is omnipresent and sees every decision and options we take. So He knows every outcome of the decisions we choose. It’s quite simple when you think about it.

[@melvinhunt6976]

We chose and that makes us Predestined! Believing and Repentance are not a WORK!!

[@nealcorbett1149]

The answer is YES.

[@gabriellawilmart3417]

Wonderful ❤❤❤

[@Samek119]

Predestined would mean our paths are laid out before us. Choosing to be saved means that person wants to be saved, and in this case, would mean they are predestined because at that time, the Lord intervenes and makes their paths straight; otherwise their destinies would lead them to their own demise. Not too difficult to figure out; either take the empty life without the Lord or the full one, in this case it is a choice but you become predestined when you choose His route.

[@HB_IE52829]

I think "predestined" a "I chose" is a oxymoron. That's a use of "predestined" that has nothing to with the meaning. "Predestined " doesn't mean "God knew upfront" and even the aspect of time makes no sense since time itself is His creation, but doesn't exist for him in the sense that he is info by it.

[@johnmacias7267]

It’s up to you, your choice Christ said you either accept me or reject me, again your choice

[@josephbrooks7590]

AMEN.

[@nunya3097]

It's a trick because you don't know what you're choosing when you choose it. You are in an illusion.

[@joebloggs2862]

John, you can choose with your mind that’s right,but your hart is not changed so simply said you not converted, because conversion comes from God and penetrated the hart, also God bend over your will from evil to see the light.

[@nunya3097]

@@joebloggs2862 so if God doesn't want my heart converted then it wont be? A spirit told me when I was a child that cruel intentions were against me and I would be a victim of circumstance. I know the spirit world arranges circumstances around us to elicit what they know is the reaction in our hearts... true they can't control our free will what it will be, but the spiritual workers good and evil know enough about us and how we are intricately psychologically wired to "predict" how are hearts will be affected and how we will will react. So it looks like a test but it's a set up. I desire change and a pure heart. I've done all things for repentance... I know there's a war for my soul I can feel it daily. I can also feel and sense someone controlling my circumstances. I receive messages daily that I've failed God's tests and won't be saved. I'm getting to the point of acceptance of this. I'm just being exploited here as if for a spiritual wealth or ransom I can't understand or see. I'm in a spiritual prison and I'll never be given a fair trial because it's too profitable for the enemy that I remain in prison. I am disheartened that the spiritual world is corrupted this way... a gangstas paradise, but it is. It's time I get over all this God stuff and hope for him to save me. I'm just being exploited. It's hopeless for me.

[@nadikou24]

Look, God is omniscient and lives outside the concept of time. We are the ones who chose to be saved. How did I come to this conclusion? So, everything we experience has already happened. God saw that and knows how it all ends. He just helps us along the way by pointing us to the direction of our choosing with subtle nudges at His perfect timing. I don't know if this sounds crazy or makes sense and to be honest I don't care, but this makes perfect sense for me and ties up every loose end regarding our free will and God's sovereighnty. Glory to His name!

[@prayalways]

Amen

[@henkmeiring01]

When someone claims you have no free will ,my first thought: You better use your free will to choose,otherwise somebody else will choose for you.And you might not like it.The "choice" and the "somebody else".

[@arjancornelissen9634]

Nee Henk, fout: je hebt geen vrije wil, je hebt een EIGEN wil en dat is een groot verschil. Zelfs een wederom geboren gelovige heeft geen vrije wil, maar vlees en geest en die staan tegenover elkaar opdat je niet doet wat je maar wil, kortom je hoort je EIGEN wil te verloochenen om in plaats daarvan te doen wat Gods Woord zegt, dóór de Geest. (Galaten 5:17) Conclusie: valse leer. God is Soeverein, wij niet. De Vader kiest de bruid.

[@henkmeiring01]

@@arjancornelissen9634 If you can choose to loose your own will,you still have to use free will to make choice.Many parables told by Jesus illustrates it clearly.How people decide to go wrong or right way.We are invited to wedding,not manipulated.You can only be invited if you can choose: yes or no.The fact that God choose(or invite!) you,dont nullify common sense that you can choose.It is just that He knows what you will decide .

[@arjancornelissen9634]

@@henkmeiring01 mooi verhaal hoor Henk, wat jij wil, zeg ik met een knipoog 😉 Maar schrap dan even Johannes 6:37-65 uit je Bijbel. En het bijbehorende gebed, Johannes 17:2-3. Dat is volgens Zijn wil. Begrijpend lezen is moeilijk...

[@henkmeiring01]

@@arjancornelissen9634 How do you explain parable abou t people that are INVITED to wedding?And lost son?Nothing was forced or decide for them- they choose for themselves Why did Jesus said he came so that all can have life,and abundantly.Why didnt God save us all,if it is only his decision,why options like Deut28 ?. And again why do fact that God choose us,cancel our free will?He knows all-he knows our dna,experiences,and decisions we make and will make.

[@arjancornelissen9634]

@@henkmeiring01 what you don't understand, is this: a sinner is by definition an enemy of God, not capable to make peace with God and not able to "accept" Jesus. That's the teaching of Christ Himself in John chapter six. When you see Christ in Scripture and when you hear Him preached through good and biblical preaching and you want to call upon Him for salvation and eternal life, then there is something invisible going on in your heart, which is the drawing of the Father, as mentioned in John 6:37. It is the Father Who makes the elect capable. This is not the same drawing as in John 12:32 because when Jesus draws all to Him on the cross, that means: all die. All of mankind will die. But only the elect can say what Paul said in Galatians 2:20. The rest will die twice... Mankind is condemned already, see John 3:18. From Genesis 3:15 on, mankind is divided into two categories, and in fact even before the foundation of the world, according to Ephesians chapter 1 and (listen and read carefully) Romans 9:22-23. God is Sovereign in His choice. And you may say: That's not fair! Well, "fair" would throw all of mankind in hell, that would be fair.. You don't want fair, you want grace! The elect of His choice get mercy and love and sovereign grace, again: Ephesians 1:5. The rest will get justice. No one will get injustice. Mankind is laden with quilt and sin. If you are born again and filled with His Spirit, you don't fight Scripture, you listen what Jesus Christ is teaching in John chapter six and you don't walk away angry! But read that chapter, Henk. Most of them didn't like His teaching and most of them did walk away... Oh, they where still "believers" but of their own choice, and they still have their "ministries" and even youtube-channels like this one... Cain also worshipped God! And got angry, remember? The invitation is real, yes. But only with the faith that God gives, will you be saved. Again: John 17:2. You see? His will. 2 Peter 3:9 also has a context, namely the first verse (2Pet.1:1) . Peter is writing to believers to strengthen their God given faith. But when Jesus Himself teaches where true faith comes from, people get angry. Instead of thanking the Father Who enables the elect believer, see Colossians 1:12 (HCSB and Herziene Statenvertaling) If you are His, then He chose you! Why fight that thought? Listen to Scripture, Henk. Calvinism isn't invented by John Calvin, but by Christ Himself in John 6. I have read lots of books from Derek Prince and liked it very much, until I began reading Scripture for myself... I (still) don't like John Calvin's books. I follow Christ and Scripture, period. What I don't like about it must be crucified! In the first place my so-called free will, the greatest idol of fallen men. Jesus didn't make mankind saveable, Jesus saves His sheep with Divine power and certainty, that's the Good News. May God bless you in English, of gewoon in het Nederlands, ik hoop je hiermee geholpen te hebben.

[@wexxtech5928]

You can't chose Christ without Him chosing you first. And for Him to chose you, He'll comfirm it by baptising you with Holy Spirit and fire, as John the Baptist said.

[@ajons190]

The true answer, seen long ago by Augustine and Luther to name but two, is that we both are predestined and choose to be saved. This apparent contradiction only exists if you misunderstand the human capacity for choosing while dead in sin.

[@anajackson7526]

Of God are you in Christ Jesus If it wasn’t for His drawing us we would never choose Him on our own I know my mom got saved through prayer and the power of God She said the sinners prayer with me just before she passed

[@riderstreamer6259]

Glory to God and thk U Jesus Christ The Anoited One🎉

[@John-nl7xo]

It's very tough understanding... I struggle with this all the time, We differently have free will if you read the bible.. There plenty of examples of ppl given the opportunity to choose God way or their own way... Look at David or Noah,etc..

[@josephbrooks7590]

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[@rudiefierloos394]

I love you too ❤

[@uncleaa8955]

I believe it to be we were all predestined to have the choice to choose Chrsit because of his sacrifice on the cross.

[@Jesus_is_Lord_316]

God has revealed what He has revealed and we are to study to show ourselves approved and to rightly divide the Word. However, nowhere in the Bible is the New Testament believer commanded to reconcile all of the difficult biblical truths. Many things are God’s business. Salvation is of the Lord so I’ll leave it up to His plan of Redemption.

[@bruce8961]

That path will only take you to a place you don't want to go.

[@TruthSeekerAll]

He's 💯 spot on. That's as close to the correct understanding of predestination as possible. Even to understand this doctrine of predestination is only possible by the grace of God. Predestination is 💯 true. This doesn't negate your exercising of your "mighty" free will. That your free will choices have consequences is 💯 true also. Don't worry if you can't reconcile both. Your not called to do that. What you're to be concerned with is about yours sins and your need for a Saviour. That is the gospel. Whether you got the correct narrative of predestination or not, doesn't even matter one bit because that's not even the gospel. I believe a lot of Calvinists and a lot of Arminians too will be in heaven.

[@riderstreamer6259]

Amen!

[@francesvincent793]

God can prechoose but we have to choose HIm

[@MrCranberries17]

In his letter to the Ephesians Paul said that we were dead in trespasses and sins. Dead people can’t make a choice we were made alive. Jesus said you must be born again. We didn’t have any choice in our first birth. We have none in our second, “no man can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him” we do not even have the ability to choose Christ because we are dead in trespasses and sins just like Lazarus was dead and could not get up out of that grave until until Jesus called him.

[@darcymoerike5462]

We all have a choice.

[@arjancornelissen9634]

Derek Prince changed his complete theology on 24 september 2003. Just saying.... Scripture cannot be broken. God will not be mocked!

[@elizabethrajan1813]

Hallelujah

[@jeffreyterrio5665]

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up. John 6:44

[@webgold3408]

What Prince is teaching is not Biblical Predestination. It is Ratification. Prince is teaching that God ratifies a choice that he sees that man will make. Salvation does not come to man by ratification but by the Grace of Predestination.

[@RobMaskell-r4v]

Good is love that should answer all the questions. Lots of silly stories but no spiritual knowing or a relationship with the holy spirit itself.

[@chingneetan6816]

Amen 🙏

[@larrybulthouse455]

No one comes to salvation from a preacher or any other man. God alone has the right to save those whom he chooses or has chosen. You cannot save yourself. Pretty simple

[@michaelmcgill4627]

God has already chosen to save everyone through His Son Jesus Christ, it’s up to us whether we trust in Jesus Christ to save us or not. The free gift which is forgiveness of sins, eternal life is for all men who believe. “Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭

[@HB_IE52829]

​@@michaelmcgill4627 yes michael. I think you are right.

[@michaelart4878]

The grace (favour/power/light) of our LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you all 🌎🌍🌏 💘

[@DavidTaufa-n6b]

I agree with most of the things that D.Prince teach about predestination , however I have difficulty about human free will against the soverinity of God. My difficulty is that due to our sin which affect or influence our choices , we don't always choose to do right.Refer Rom.3:10-18. Verse 11 says, there is no one who understands,no one who seeks God. For me, we do not have the moral strength and ability to choose God. This is the basis of my belief on predestination.Proverbs 21:1 " The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord,he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases" Phil.2:13 For it is God who works in you to will and act according to his good purposes.Example. Acts 16:14b, The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. There are other scripture passes but suffice to say that it is by God's enabling grace that we choose to accept God's free offer of salvation. Refer Eph.,2:8-9. Note that this text is in the preceding context of Ephesians 1:4-14 which is about predestination.

[@HB_IE52829]

I think its a phenomenal example of the glory of God, that His creation with a free will has the ability to understand that it's necessary to die of itself and be reborn of water (the word, that became flesh) and spirit and to choose that path after understanding that only God is holy, pure and perfect in every way. You can't add to or remove from holy, pure and absolute truth, love, righteousness etc and keep it holy. It's then fallen, rotten. But that's what we all do. Add and remove by doing it our way, but we have to deny ourselves, die to be truly created in His image because its then Him in us. It shows the glory of God because "in the end" there will be only one "omega". I think any aspect of "chosen" somehow doesn't go well with His glory. A almighty God can do anything- that's no surprise. But a creation with free will that understands we have to die of ourselves for his glory because there's nothing more holy than Him... that combined with His sacrifice for our sinns to reconcile us with Himself, to give us that chance by the gift of grace.... Praise the Lord!

[@mr.t114]

If i have a lousy life, i can be responsible for that myself, that´s for sure. What i just wonder about is if God doesn´t like me anymore or at all. I saw things that´s not so easily explained away as anything but supernatural in the world´s way of interpret things. Still i fight with thoughts about what to do at this point. 9 going on 10 years in solitude, good health overall, i did fine a bit more than i should i think. I just want to know if i´m still in God´s grace or not, i can´t get a direct update on that and that makes me go back and forth on my thoughts more than i want to. I want to matter and make a difference but i´m cut out of the loop, society overall. One man said to me in a rehabilitation home that seemed to be well connected that i was "like a leaf in the wind but i could have been, or be, a pillar in the church". I just want some answers, the net is pretty weird but i take any chance i can get for good dialogue.

[@777-hg1if]

Hi, i know what you are talking about and that is not a nice space to be physically, mentally or spiritually. At the end of the day our past is gone and we can only make the most of the new day. And hope and pray for his mercy and grace, the same grace Jesus requested for the sinners that were crucifying him when he said Father forgive them, for they know not what they do. There is also a verse in John that says the Lord is patient with us not wishing anyone to perish. I believe if you pray from a contrite heart and to sincerely ask the Lord to show you how to draw closer to him, he will answer you. When you feel like you have nothing left to give the Lord has a way to come through, i believe when our cup is empty he wants to fill it, if we completely submit and acknowledge our shortcomings, i think its important to pray this grace and mercy for others too as all fall short, but whats important is how sincerely we want him to work in our lives & change us. You can also ask the Lord to send someone your way who needs help, he often sends people strong in the faith my way who are going through something and then i would see them outside my house passing by and wanting to talk, at first it seems random but makes perfect sense once we start talking about the Lord and everything. When i pray this way i often see a very bright Single Star in my small bed room window, it is my belief that is the Lords way off saying im still here I Am the Bright Morning Star (Revelation 22 i think). Also i use to see a Cross of Light reflection often last year. In my laptop or phone when the light reflects. I believe the Lord can reveal himself in unique ways as he knows as personally and knows how to get our attention, we must be very alert and search for him with our whole heart and understanding. What you said about the leaf made me think of that verse when Jesus said to Nicodemus, look at the wind it bloweth where it listeth, one can hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell whether it cometh or goeth, so is everyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit (baptized). Hope that encourages you, will pray for you that the Lord bless & give you Revelation in Jesus name. The fact that you are isolated is a chance for the Lord to reveal his glory to you, you dont have to wait for circumstances around you to change, you could also chat to believers or non believers in comments and share fellowship etc. God is good, God bless.

[@Mr.MarkGuerrero]

Romans 8:28-30 NASB95 - And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified

[@dawnharvey4763]

In the description theres a link to a sermon, but its also part of a series

[@philippians.4.8]

I believe that not only does GOD ALMIGHTY know the number of hairs on our head, but knows WHICH number EACH is! I b.e.l.i.e.v.e. that our MOST HIGH loving FATHER ABBA is that detailed in each of our lives. I HOPE... HE KNOWS what for ... praise JESUS CHRIST of NAZARETH. AMEN 🕊🌾

[@manster546]

Let’s make it simple. The choice and only choice people have is to Reject the love of Christ. You are predestined and some are predestined to reject Jesus for the world’s stuff.

[@ImForgivenToo]

👍👍 we were 5 kids in my family. My sister and I are the only ones who chose to follow Jesus. The other 3 don't want anything to do with God. 😥

[@andrewtsousis3130]

Simple? You’re suggesting God has predestined some to reject Christ? Where in scripture does it say that? And don’t say Romans 9 because that’s not what it means.

[@patmyles4776]

His example suggests that there was a greater measure of righteousness in Jack than in Jim. If so, did Jack have this from the beginning? and if he did, was it because God blessed him just as he did John the Baptist who was filled with the Holy Spirit in his mother's womb.

[@chamuuemura5314]

Perhaps it was prophecy given to the father. The wealth was to be used for God’s kingdom instead of personal enjoyment so in a way the inheritance would be a duty Jack was blessed to receive and John blessed not to receive. John may have gotten saved later but wasn’t when the inheritance was set to be deployed so receiving it at that time would’ve been detrimental to John.

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

0:40 Mystery is allowed, but not any mystery which brings into question God's nature or character as Jesus portrayed him, or as Paul describes him in 1 Cor. 13.... God is LOVE/noun.

[@aussierob7177]

We choose to be saved, just as we choose to be evil.

[@keiarahjohnston9887]

We didn’t choose to be friends evil we were all born that way. That’s why we choose Jesus and receive a brand new spirit and as we read and hear the Word of God, our soul is changed. Soul and Spirit goes to eternity….good in heaven and evil in hell !

[@barryvandeelen8358]

Great teaching, but we dont have a free will. Calvin was right in this...

[@Lili-Benovent]

Predestination- The very notion that an omniscient (all knowing) God who knows everything including the thoughts and motives, noble and ulterior, of every human being that has ever, or will ever be born means that everything must be predestined by him. He knows before you are born everything that will happen to you and whether you will be a fit person to live in his fantasy land in the sky after your death. If he can look into the future what is the purpose of a judgment at some later stage, why would he judge us if he knows everything beforehand, is it so the godly can gloat over being smarter than the rest of us because they passed some test? If the punishment for not following his multitude of rules is that we suffer being burned forever then why not consign us to that destination immediately upon our demise, why the judgment process? In fact, if this all knowing presence knows the outcome of our fate before we are born then why permit us to be born at all? He only wants the pure of heart to live in his Heaven, that seems to be his ultimate goal, so instead of allowing us to live a life of temptation and sin (which offends him) why doesn't he look into the future of each of his creations and select the good from the bad before they complete their lives of sin, which he must already know about if he is truly omniscient? This is just one small area of question about the personality of this so called God, there are thousands of other parts of his attitude towards humankind which should be examined in detail. If he created us just so he could allow us to be tortured for eternity then he is sadly deficient in the sense of justice that he has supposedly imprinted on the minds of most human beings. SOME GOD.

[@busayog.6105]

So the question arises, since God knew a person would not receive the gospel, why did He create the person at all?

[@rickroden7666]

We have free will just like the Angels did. We were originally destined to be with God, but the human race gave in to evil with very little coaxing.

[@crystalsky9512]

God wishes that all should be saved however, he gives the choice to us if we choose him. A man and a women join together to be married obviously the woman had to say YES to the man. We have to say YES to God or we can't attend the marriage super of the lamb in heaven.

[@TonyGalla-kw4hw]

Free will is indisputable. God's will is indisputable. Before I was born, Jesus knew me. HE knew what I would say and do and believe in throughout my life. THEREFORE, I was written in the Book of Life because I choose Him. HE IS ALL.

[@bruce8961]

No one can come to Christ until they are drawn by The Father in Heaven.

[@Bobepc]

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me. (Jn 12:32)

[@rolysantos]

@@Bobepc Yes "ALL men" meaning ALL nations or ALL peoples of the earth. Not "every single person." Remember, God had promised Abraham that he would be "father of MANY nations" yet that's not what we see in the Old Testament. With the exception of a few gentiles, the masses are "overlooked" (their ignorance of Him) and "allowed to go their own way" (Acts 14:16, 17:30) MOST of them perished which is why Paul said in Ephesians 2 that AT THAT TIME gentiles were "without hope and without God" It was not until Jesus "the light of the world" brought the light of the gospel that "The people walking in darkness have seen a great light" (Isaiah 9:2) And THEN God sent His servants to evangelize "the nations" or "the gentiles" But this was a "Mystery" to the Jews who still held gentiles in contempt as "unclean" which is why Paul revealed this mystery in Ephesians 3 that "The gentiles are fellow heirs with Israel." This was unheard of! Which is why EVEN AFTER JESUS WAS ASCENDED even the Apostle Peter did not understand the mystery and in Acts 10 God gave Peter a vision on the roof showing him "Do not call unclean what I have called clean" and THEN sent Peter to a gentile's house (cornelius) to share the gospel. In acts 11, peter's fellow Jews were upset that he went into a gentile's home UNTIL Peter explained that God had NOW accepted Gentiles. THIS is why Jesus was continually telling His disciples "If I be lifted up I will draw ALL MEN, meaning NOT JUST JEWS, to me" They had never heard this. And this is exactly what we see in Revelation 7:9 which gives us a glimpse into God's Kingdom of all the souls HE brought out of the earth; "people from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne" NEVER in scripture do we see that God saves or ever wanted to save "every single person." This should be abundantly clear by what I've already shown you that even in the elect nation of Israel, God intentionally did not save "every single Israelite."

[@markshard]

lambs book of life was written from the start. some are chosen. many are called but all names are in the book.

[@barend4803]

Acts 9:3-5 KJV [3] And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: [4] and he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

[@JMusar795]

❤❤❤

[@harrionl]

God draws us, but we still have to respond. A Gift is given, but the Gift still has to be received. To be obedient is a decision and not automatic, and we can still resist the Holy Spirit. Scripture is clear on this. But God already knew our decisions from eternity past. Nothing is hidden from Him.

[@malcolmhayward4431]

The predestination was the PLAN of salvation NOT the individual that’s personal choice

[@barend4803]

Acts 16:14 KJV [14] And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart *the Lord opened*, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

[@walker4973]

Jesus Christ died for everyone no matter what you are and where you come from he loves us all, before we were born in sin he died for us, the door is open. We are individuals although the commandments are for everyone, nothing is done out of his permission, seek him.We are all sinners, those who think they have no sin are deceiving themselves, he told us not to judge one another because he loves us all.By time I noticed that the commandments he gave us reflect the love he wants to give for those around us also gave them to those around us to show the love he has for us, and not to just read them and obey because he said so without understanding. He loves us.

[@gknight4719]

He got that right, we have no idea about this imagined god, so lets just make up BS!

[@zatoichiable]

We are all predestined to be in hell or heaven.... we have to choice to choose them.... both are true to you to happen...

[@ghostownaproach]

In a Twilight Zone episode a Poloroid type camera took pictures of several minutes into the future before it happened and printed it in a photo, so they used it to choose winning horses at the race track. Their "foreknowledge " did not make their choice win, but they chose because they knew it would. Can God choose us the same way?

[@user-su6fy4pw2h]

Interesting question... and that's a great episode of the Twilight Zone.

[@paulhazel5754]

both

[@caleb.lindsay]

there's only two uses of "predestined" in the NT and they both have to do with "those in Christ". it's nothing more than "where you go if you're in Christ or not is predetermined." how/who GETS into Christ is what's at stake, not what predestination is. i LOVE this man. and even though i disagree, he's amazing. this is the only thing i've ever disagreed with him on before.

[@TG070]

🙌🏽

[@ToyneHarris]

Caleb, you fail to take into account that God knows the end from the beginning. He chose, before the foundation of the world, those whom He knew would, of their own free will, accept His offer of grace and mercy, so there is no conflict here between free will and predestination, just a failure by some people to understand it.

[@caleb.lindsay]

​@@ToyneHarris that's okay. i know this is engrained, but what you said just isn't true. we are chosen IN HIM. teachers have conveniently always forgotten to include that important point. Christ is eternal, we are not. Christ is "THE Chosen One", and our election comes THROUGH THE Chosen One. so how you are "in Him" is what matters. and there are copious amounts of verses that talk about who and how you get in Him and people who were NOT saved being placed "in Him" and when/why that occurred. the conflict isn't between freewill and predestination, it's that Biblical predestination is unrelated to being chosen. those in Christ have a fixed, pre-chosen (determined beforehand) destination and form: Heaven and being in Christ's image. it's not more than that. predestination is real and Biblical, it's just not election like this definition includes. i know why you say these things, but that doesn't make them true.

[@gabbeo21]

Amen brother, ”in Christ” is the key word. You have the Holy Spirit brother.

[@caleb.lindsay]

@@gabbeo21 stoked to see you on the Other Side, Brother!

[@doccollins5131]

The Bible teaches both are true...We do not have the mind of God, so we can't understand how that works😊

[@sonnytanod8862]

Of course we are predestined to be saved. Why would He create us to destroy us. That's why He sent His Son to guarantee that whoever believes might have eternal life.

[@paulhazel5754]

thats how god can put the bible codes in the first 5 books of the bible

[@tedprice5828]

John 1:12-13: “But as many as received him he gave to them power to become the sons of God, even to them that believed in his name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of Man, but of God.”. New birth is from above and not below.

[@riderstreamer6259]

Amen!

[@larbikingsley3135]

Predestination simply means God foreknew those who will hold on to the end He chose them according to his foreknowledge otherwise John 3:16 will be misleading.

[@michaelbartholemew4327]

If you reject predestination, you rob God of the glory of His Grace & take credit for your salvation

[@Bobepc]

Not at all. If God sovereignly grants free choice to men, no glory is being robbed since it is all by His plan and design. He still does the saving, but simply grants it conditionally to any who believe. Predestination, NOT predetermination.

[@arthurmartin8252]

Scripture says those who need four new he predestined to be conformed to the image of his son