Derrick Rose Officially RETIRES From The NBA + Favorite Rose Moments, Memories & Legacy | The Panel

[@mom3ntousjatt]

Chill has this habit of making a statement/ point, then realizing people are not in agreement with him but still willing to die on that dumbass hill. Like bro all you gotta say is you know what I shouldn’t have said that or I was mistaken but no hes gotta do mental gymnastics to prove his point which wasnt even that important but he is so adamant for some reason

[@cribate7548]

Or maybe he has a bad take and thinks he's right so he will defend it? Most people in a heated debate won't just admit that their wrong and mind you Chill is one of the people on PC who does that. Weird take

[@mom3ntousjatt]

@@cribate7548 yeah but its stupid to waste that much time on something that even if its true is so insignificant to the overall topic at hand. They were supposed to laude D Rose’s career instead of arguing about his mentality

[@hellcatsaymeow2095]

very ticket of him

[@boubacardiallo5945]

@@cribate7548 doesn’t make it right

[@victoralexander3767]

He does that. He did that at least twice this episode. Once sounding like Skip Bayless with that DRose mentality take and once with GS having foresight as opposed to getting lucky. Marz pointed out that they wanted to trade Steph AND Klay and couldn’t so therefore they got lucky and just worked with what they had and it worked out. Chill still tryna argue that they had foresight and KNEW what they were gonna be. Let it go buddy you’re cooked.

[@howitzdone8992]

Tore his ACL after the youngest mvp ever Came back tore his meniscus came back again and tore his meniscus again came back and played through a broken face and tore his meniscus again the next yr and came back again, But his mental Toughness is wat being questioned 😂 Wtf did I just hear

[@MoneyCarter-io1hj]

hate is a strong word man but damn chill you getting me there what ts man

[@moneyman4740]

And chill keep tryna compare PG to Rose when yes PG’s injury looked way worse but it was a clean break , no tendon tears unlike Rose , which means that injury is easier to recover from

[@MarzTalksSports]

psychologist chill is a weird arc

[@mom3ntousjatt]

Why is he so adamant about the stupidest things. How did the panel make a great segment about a retiring player turn into questioning his mentality

[@pensarebasketball]

This comment is mentally weak.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pensarebasketball cooked

[@ffyhvftg-dc1rw]

​@@MarzTalksSportsit's just filler marz.....it's just filler

[@JackoVX]

Chill tried to make it so much more about the mental to the point it was looking that he just wanted to be right for the sake of being right. Didnt look good whatsoever

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Chill's internal definition of mental health probably isn't as broad as the rest of us realize.

[@hellcatsaymeow2095]

Anyone notice Chills decline started when Ticket left 🤔

[@MKB2003]

Mmmmmm

[@mom3ntousjatt]

facts, he's becoming downright unbearable

[@bigdawg5150]

@@MKB2003 🤣🤣🤣

[@MJW777]

Ngl you're right 😭

[@Matthew-xl5bc]

W Pen for adding valuable insight about the greatest Raptor ever conversation. Kawhi being "the greatest Raptor" is an American narrative. Lowry and Vince are the two greatest Raptors ever.

[@WRLdPeAcE96]

Vince quit on the raptors and Lowry didn’t do nothing until kawhi came kawhi is the greatest raptor

[@pensarebasketball]

​@@WRLdPeAcE96Kyle didn't do nothing? 😭

[@97tilinfinity]

@@WRLdPeAcE96thank you for proving OP’s point

[@howitzdone8992]

Drose hate on the day he retired is crazy 😂 did y’all not see our starting center for half the season, 109 year old Kurt Thomas, Noah and boozer missed significant time and we still had the best record in the league had lineups of Drose Bogans Deng Taj And Ancient Kurt Thomas and was dominating with rose doing all the heavy carrying on O, yes We were a Defensive oriented team and he wasn’t great on that side he wasnt a negative either, If u think AI was the mvp in 01 u have to think the same for Drose

[@bigdawg5150]

Mannn shit is straight crazy 🤣

[@bigdawg5150]

Dawg said Russell Westbrook was always better than Derrick rose 🤣🤣 wtf do y’all find these dudes bruh 🤦🏾‍♂️ I got some respect for Russ so I’m not gon trash him.. but that dude most definitely wasn’t fw D🌹 y’all dudes smokin ass

[@MarHolmes]

Ok byddy

[@joshuad24]

I agree

[@AlphaTSH]

I agree that early Russ wasn’t better, but Russ at his best was better than Rose at his, even if it’s because injuries. Just how it is

[@bigdawg5150]

@@AlphaTSH I’m speaking on what dude said today about that always being better… Russ ended up having a better career cause he’s more durable but skill wise and the eye test wasn’t even a discussion! Y’all haven’t been listening to the guys that actually played with/against these dudes?

[@aherbo18]

@@bigdawg5150it absolutely was close skill wise, in fact I’d give it to Russ. I don’t agree that Russ was ALWAYS better. Because when Rose was peaking Russ was not on that level yet. But 16-17 Russ is a better basketball player than 10-11 D Rose. He was a better playmaker and passer. He was a better defender. He was better in transition. He had a more reliable mid range. He was just better. Rose was shiftier, had a better handle, and had better touch by far. But those things aren’t the only “skills”. Russ simply impacted the game more. I hate to even make this about Russ vs Rose though because Rose was a monster in his own right and had he stayed healthy I believe he could have continued to get better and been just as good if not better than peak Russ. But peak Russ is just better than Peak rose plain and simple and if you give 16-17 Russ Joakim Noah and Luol Deng in OKC they win 50+ games in that stacked western conference in my mind. With all that said I know you’ll still disagree with me but what we can agree on is DRose is a legend in the basketball community and especially to Chicago 🌹

[@PraiseObito]

I can see why Ron is the host and not a panelist. Dude legitimately knows nothing about basketball. Literally all of his takes are bad. A lot of people in 2018 thought that it was the Raptors year because LeBron was playing on a bad team. To say no one took them seriously is pure revisionist history.

[@howitzdone8992]

Even if u thought they would beat Cleveland, they still don’t beat Boston 😂 don’t know y they were taking seriously

[@Funfun6000]

Not remembering ppl opinion on 2018 playoffs means u dont know ball. Sounding emotional.

[@Noiveikram]

We’ve seen him hoop, he knows ball😭💀

[@MOE__]

There was a time when I was a die hard D Rose fan bro was my second favorite player behind Kobe until I met my bearded Goat James Harden lol bulls should retire his jersey he had one hell of a career

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Ron gotta learn some superchats shouldn't be read and or needs to cut the convo before it starts on some.

[@dae_5O]

Did yall know D-Rose came 9th in MVP voting in 2021?

[@pensarebasketball]

Yup. The media is insane.

[@MOE__]

Did he really that’s new to me

[@neoblade8164]

Some dude gave him a first place vote I remember that.

[@Senseicjj]

Man what’s up with chill? He comes off semi slow like wth

[@birdo9039]

Scottie Pippen more talented than AD?! Ehhh idk bout that man. ‘Talent’ varies per person,sure. But I think talent is essentially based on the natural ability of a player. The separation is mentality, work ethic & IQ but it’s not too many more talented than AD y’all come on now.

[@thedepresseddog6035]

I personally think AD is 1 of the 10 most talented players to come into the nba

[@howitzdone8992]

Chill gotta stop😂 been ever since that Giannis over jokic offense take he just been progressively getting worse 😂

[@Enorm15947]

And I played against DRose in high school. I have NEVER played against anyone that fast. He was better that Russ early on, and it wasn’t close, and had he not gotten injured he would’ve been way better than Russ

[@1227weaverb]

AD would be drafted ahead of Scottie if they entered the draft in the same year. He’s 100% more talented. Let’s cut the shit.

[@Enorm15947]

Chill is slowly turning into the worst panelist. He said ridiculous things and then either slowly walks it back or makes even more ridiculous arguments to bolster his initial ridiculous argument. And saying that Rose was the worst MVP is just ridiculous. Look at his starting lineup, the load he had to carry, and the Bulls were first in the East over the big 3 in Miami

[@MarzTalksSports]

the world knows the worst mvp is wes unseld

[@promo-js8me]

He said one of the weakest nobody disagreed it's true

[@zbt62]

Chill forgets he looked the same after the CAL, maybe better. D rose was taking bout how his vertical increased n all that. It was the repeated m mcl injuries that did him in

[@bigdawg5150]

Yeah he was still the same until that injury against the trailblazers! These dudes up there talking that horse shit.

[@moneyman4740]

@@bigdawg5150remember that pre season game in 2013 vs the pacers , his 1st game back he looked super explosive and he still was explosive in the Fiba tournament in 2014 , look at those highlights , he def got in his own head , he still had it man

[@bigdawg5150]

@@moneyman4740 that’s facts he was out there hoopin dudes and it most definitely was a mind thing!

[@promo-js8me]

​@@moneyman4740yeah chill had a point real rose fans know. He still had the physical at one point he just stopped dunking

[@PrinceDJj]

First, this is the first time that I was on Penn's side because this rewriting of history for that Kawhi Toronto run by Ron/Swipa is crazy, and Marz, I agree. People weren't saying this then. Here's another thing: the Raptors only won the championship because KD and Klay got hurt. Also, yes, Marc was the better defender because that's the reason-well, part of the reason-they got past Giannis and the Bucks. It was due to Marc and the rest of the wall that Kawhi couldn't do anything against Giannis.

[@BlkStar99]

Chill acting like Rose was mentally weak for not being able to rebound from injuries is weird. Just because one player comes back from an injury doesn’t mean another player will do the same.

[@iceymagoo]

Swipa is All-Obnoxious 1st Team for how he was on that Kawhi/Vince Carter segment

[@dukebaylocks]

Defending Kawhi Leonard makes people look crazy. Probably harsh but it’s the truth🤷🏿‍♂️

[@DreJ912]

Seems like it was intentional to get under Penn’s skin. Penn is emotional so it worked

[@iceymagoo]

​@DreJ912 it was unnecessary, we could've got to more hoop talk instead of Swipa just being annoying for 30 minutes

[@PraiseObito]

@@iceymagoo Swipa is one of those guys who start trolling when they’re losing an argument

[@blacknetsmed]

This narrative that Kawhi "carried" that team is laughable. In the nearly 2,000 minutes with Kawhi off the floor, the 2019 Raptors played at 55 Win Pace. They were still an elite playoff team w/o Kawhi.

[@MOE__]

L me for not renewing my membership

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Kawhi is the best player to put on a Raptor Jersey and he defeated the Drake curse on the grandest scale

[@leninmejia5555]

😂🤡🚮

[@JHPG5]

​@@leninmejia5555Kawhi is a hof 😂😂

[@howitzdone8992]

2019 was the toughest east in 2010s IMO maybe 13/14 and kawhi pushed them thru it, the raptors were not taking serious cuz there supposed to be best player was ass in the playoffs, they in 18 even if they don’t get mopped by Cleveland they lose to Boston, Toronto was never a contender outside of 19 in my eyes

[@howitzdone8992]

Kawhi the best raptor and Lowry the greatest

[@promo-js8me]

Fav rose moment when he crossed iman shumpart and finished over bron to tie the game vs cavs in playoffs

[@BigSalmon13]

The Sixers picked centers 3 straight years from 13-15. 2 weren’t great for them , but 1 has been a top 5 player for the past 5ish years. Is Nerlens Noel, Marcus Smart, Mario Hezonja better than Nerlens, Embiid, Okafor?

[@howitzdone8992]

Didn’t care for ayton either didn’t think his defense was gonna be good In that spaced out league, liked his scoring

[@BeanHoopz]

chill hate for well loved players gotta be studied man tore his acl got his trajectory absolutely ruined and played 15 more szns yet his mental is questioned alright man lmao

[@cynric_]

Chill's take for Kawhi not carrying never made any sense to me. The 76ers series happened chill

[@DameFreshTV]

Pen cooked Chill. Wow. Chill with this mental toughness stuff was awful.

[@Ejayyy-i7o]

Yall definitely looking at it in hindsight Marvin Bagley was that guy coming out of college

[@lazndora2026]

Jesus Christ Chilltwn🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jumi48]

If anything Kawhi got carried by his teammates in the Finals

[@babatunde4335]

1:24:15 58 million actually🤓☝️

[@RogelioSanchez-si7il]

D ROSE big player

[@Noiveikram]

I wish the AD convo would’ve shifted from talent to just who’s better cuz it seems like almost evb up there believes that changes the tier he’s in when really, he’s STILL (outside Dwade) comparable to every single player you could name, at their best. This disrespect has to stop.

[@MarzTalksSports]

im the only one apparently who thinks AD is really one of them ones

[@thedepresseddog6035]

AD is a generational talent, his combination of size, skill, athleticism, coordination are what makes him a great defender. He's to me the most talented player of the 2010s. Not sure what pen is talking about.

[@branmarston]

chill hates luka so much😂

[@msqgteam]

Y’all sound crazy

[@pensarebasketball]

Just want to fact-check myself on a few things I mis-stated. 1. Kawhi shot 16/39 in game 7. Not sure why I remembered 16/41. 2. The population of FRANCE is 90 million. I said Italy. The population of Italy is just under 60 million.

[@MarzTalksSports]

always knew italy were bums

[@pensarebasketball]

@@MarzTalksSports *immediately Google's UK population* 🧐

[@matthewburke5044]

There's no dam carrying when you have a great team. Carrying is lebron with trash teams to the finals.

[@WRLdPeAcE96]

And losing

[@lakergang]

This man swipa is so weird. He's going off of the last 2 years when saying that the lakers can't beat the nuggets. Before the last 2 years, the nuggets have never beat the lakers in a series. Bro is a clown

[@maxwellsplash970]

My fav D.Rose moment is in 2015 against lebron that buzzard beater (Legoat fan here) I was locked up watching it..smh it was crazy work and lebron hit a game winner following game 5 or 6

[@georgebokolos2111]

Ron is wrong about Luka. We definetely knew Luka was generational. Most of us in Europe were shocked he didnt go number 1.

[@howitzdone8992]

B4 they was losing to bron they got mopped by the wizards and Brooklyn 😂 outside of 16 against Cleveland it’s bad for demar

[@howitzdone8992]

At 15 and watching less Luka the. Anybody else in that draft Ik he was by far the best player in that draft Bagley was my number 2 and MPJ was my number 3, passing on him at 1 was a fire able offense, passing on him at 2 is I should never have a job in the nba offense, Any GM who didn’t think he was generational didn’t do thier job

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

If Luka came out today he would be a cant miss Generational prospect. People where just stupid about Europeans in 2018

[@Noiveikram]

2:39:29 nah Ron face say it all😂if sb said the 15 Hawks were championship contenders, evb would roar in disagreement (except Chill)

[@Melly_Wayy]

injuries affect everyone’s bodies & minds differently no matter if it’s the “same” injury.

[@howitzdone8992]

I would never draft fit over better player top 3 unless they are close if 1 guy is clearly better I’m taking him, fit over talent is a mid rd thing not top 3-5

[@howitzdone8992]

If FOX was the guy I building my unit around and I go in the draft and Luka was on the board Guess wat Chill I have a new gaurd I’m building my unit around

[@DD-rk6kn]

1:34:28 No wrong chill steph had a potential career ending injury. wariors tried to trade him but didnt get good offers from other teams. Steph signed a low budget extension adapted his game other then derick rose and even with less athleticism became a way better player . focusing fullly on handles and shooting

[@DD-rk6kn]

1:17:45 Facts Luka played pro basketball for the best european team real madrid at age 17 and was europe league mvp in the arguably second best league besides the nba. Scouts that thought he wasnt generational is crazy

[@howitzdone8992]

Dwade and Scottie came to mind instantly and I’m taking AD>Scottie think ima say Gimme Dwade tho

[@MJW777]

I'm glad chill said the truth about Drose I don't agree with the psychological thing tho

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

Ayton was not generational or a clear number 1 overall pick it was because Phoenix got that pick people became stupid and said they had to pick a guy from Arizona

[@richuk69]

In my mind talent in sport is a marriage of IQ and the physical. It's a sliding scale, some guys slide more onto the physical side of the scale naturally they run faster and jump higher and are bigger out of the gate. Other guys slide into the IQ side of the scale their CPU is faster than most players like a Larry Bird. The closer you are to the middle of the scale the more talented you are

[@justinjones9579]

Chill Roses NCAA had to be Vacated, so it doesn’t count towards his Basketball career

[@howitzdone8992]

Ppl don’t care abt defense the way they say 😂 or they only care abt 1on1 on the perimeter

[@howitzdone8992]

B4 the lakers series in 01 was the defense or offense better?

[@kevblaze6318]

Chill is starting the month off bad. A broken bone is not as bad as a knee that’s been destabilized in a sport like basketball ball

[@hellcatsaymeow2095]

How can you even argue that it’s more mental than physical? How is that even a debate?

[@User-yt88]

Derrick Rose is somebody I will remember for quitting on his team and getting called out for it by his teammates

[@hbkjordan131]

never happened.

[@User-yt88]

@@hbkjordan131 yes it did. His teammates said he was healthy and the best in practice but he refused to play and watched his team get wiped out in the 1st round of the playoffs. Stop lying.

[@hbkjordan131]

@@User-yt88 ok. year? source? link?

[@User-yt88]

@@hbkjordan131 2013 and only channel moderators can post links in the comments

[@35inTHEwood]

@@User-yt88Expecting a dude who hadn’t played all year to just jump into playoff basketball vs the big 3 heat is just insane

[@austinjmendiola]

Pretending that "talent" doesn't have a definition is weird.

[@HectorConCarne23]

In the Midwest drose is legend

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

In no universe was Ayton a better prospect then Luka

[@DreJ912]

Penn makes most of his points based on how he feels instead of logic

[@jackjohn325]

i could have sweared d rose announced retirement like a month ago

[@howitzdone8992]

every name pen said Gimme AD

[@theprophet9656]

Chill turning into logical ticket now

[@StreetmoneyRae13]

WHAT ARE U DOING DRAGIC? DID U NOT GET THE MEMO?

[@howitzdone8992]

WTF is pen talking abt

[@howitzdone8992]

Vince was not top 5

[@Ejayyy-i7o]

You trippin Marz Fox and Lonzo was right there with Markelle coming out of college

[@MarzTalksSports]

markelle>>>>>lonzo>deaaron as prospects

[@Ejayyy-i7o]

@@MarzTalksSports they were all talked about the same here in the states Lonzo actually probably had the most hype

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Ejayyy-i7o lonzo forsure had the most hype but as prospects (just speaking from how i viewed them) markelle cleared them

[@Ejayyy-i7o]

@@MarzTalksSports ehhh it was close but I respect it my bad bro I thought you were speaking from a hype standpoint lol

[@JESUSSAVES-n9i]

Yall need a time stamp person

[@birdo9039]

lol man the amount of praise Kawhi Leonard gets on this channel makes me sick.

[@yahiaali4059]

You sound like a hater so u want them to take shit about kawhi 😭

[@birdo9039]

@@yahiaali4059 lol nah it ain’t that serious to me at all, they can give him all the credit they want, he’s an amazing player who’s had a really good career. I just think most of the panelist are extremely bias when it comes to him,did you not hear Ron basically saying Kawhi carried Toronto to win that championship?! That’s absolutely ridiculous bias.

[@yahiaali4059]

@@birdo9039 kawhi was the best scorer and defender on the team so Ron saying that isn’t some blasphemous take. Like if u told me tatum carried this year ppl look at u crazy but kawhi scored the most points in playoffs since mj

[@birdo9039]

@@yahiaali4059 he wasn’t the best defender though bro, that’s what I mean by exaggerating the carry job. Marc Gasol was the best defender for them also, you cannot fail to acknowledge Kyle Lowry & Serge Ibaka on defense as well. NOBODY who cracked the rotation was a liability on the defensive end. I understand he scored very well but they won by committee, not a carry job.

[@yahiaali4059]

@@birdo9039 you thought gasol was better than kawhi defence in 2019 that’s wild too me im not saying they were bad but as soon as Nick nurse switched kawhi on giannis that series flipped on his head

[@howitzdone8992]

No way u had Gianni’s over kawhi in 19 marz?

[@MarzTalksSports]

I dont know probably

[@unclebuckhistory5901]

Pen mad annoying condescendingly saying people don’t know anything about Europe then said Italy has 90 MILLION bro it’s like 55 stop talking just to talk

[@pensarebasketball]

My bad, I really meant France had 90 million. Italy has 60. Ironic I got that wrong. My American education failed me.

[@cainslawyer8058]

Two things can be true at the same time. 2019 Raptors were extremely well built but that means nothing unless they have a legit top 3 player like Kawhi. Bosh and Carter were not on that level and they were never going to win with a similar roster. So to suggest that Kawhi was just their leading scorer is as dumb as saying he singlehandedly caried them

[@MarzTalksSports]

maybe i am a kawhi hater the more i hear people talk ab him and the more i see how different our perspectives are particularly of 2019 kawhi

[@shotarokaneda7525]

Just to make it clear. IT WAS CUT AND DRY THAT LUKA WAS GENERATIONAL. Luka was the best player in the second best league in the world in his mid teens! he passed the eye test and he played the best in important games, winning MVPs...nobody watched him and thought otherwise besides people with an American bias. IT would be like watching Lebron and thinking, he is good now, but maybe he wont be that good later. No! It was that obvious. He was levels above Cooper Flagg, for example. He was just that good. Mars gets it because he doesn't have the Gilbert Arenas eyes

[@pensarebasketball]

Thank you.

[@RIDGEMATIC]

W RAWN

[@MoneyCarter-io1hj]

1:23 cmon chill

[@newzay50]

Too many holes in Pens explanation on the sacramento marvin bagley thing. I need to get one one time. Cuz pen aint mentioned the coaching sabotage, he didnt mention how good bagley stock was from hs to college. Mars luka was not projected to be definite generational talent whether its our fault or whatever most americans saw what we were able to see. But his physical stature was in queztion as well

[@MarzTalksSports]

yeah i think i said i know he wasnt projected to be generational but thats cos people were stupid. scouting departments who are meant to have watched him should have all came to the same conclusion that he was generational

[@newzay50]

Pen jus questioned eddie jones athleticism smh wtf is he doin lol

[@pensarebasketball]

Didn't question Eddie. Just said Eddie wasn't on the same tier as VC.

[@zappa3837]

Love my fellow south Slavs (I’m only 1/4 though, for transparency’s sake), but L Pen on the Vince Carter v Kawhi argument. Glad when Swipa pulled up.

[@pensarebasketball]

6 years... 😂

[@zappa3837]

@@pensarebasketball NBA Championship 😂 But you do have point. Vince did put them on the map, and it is sort of like the Dwayne Wade and LeBron Heat situation (except D Wade won before LeBron).

[@reimeralgabre2986]

I'm one of those that think Luka should be number 1 at that time but Marz and Penn act like Ayton and Bagley wasn't a logical top pick at that time as well. Penn is acting like he never missed on a draft. Lol. Drafting in the lottery is not always that easy. If anything, it's more misses than hits.

[@MarzTalksSports]

Luka was very clearly the only generational player in that draft (and i loved mpj and bagley they were my 2 and 3) and i guess im speaking passionately cos i was right ab it in hindsight. theres been players i been wrong ab too ofcourse but when i viewed someone as generational and had them number 1 and they live up to it best believe ima be sayin everyone who didnt see it either didnt watch or was stupid

[@pensarebasketball]

I've missed. We all have. I just didn't miss Luka.

[@dukebaylocks]

Great Panel episode today! Gospel to my ears.

[@nykareem2001]

Luka isn't generational he's the 5th high volume high assist scoring guard I've seen in my life time (Steph, Nash, Harden, Kobe, Lillard, CP3, SGA)

[@akshyadeep2222]

Wtf is a high volume high assist scoring guard?

[@nykareem2001]

A guard that averages more than 20 pts and above average assists per game

[@akshyadeep2222]

@@nykareem2001 So how is Luka not generational?

[@BigSalmon13]

If Luka Steph CP3 Kobe SGA and Steve Nash are the same type of player to you you probably need more categories to separate these players into.

[@nykareem2001]

@@akshyadeep2222 A generation is every 30 years. It hasn't even been 10 years since peak Harden and Luka is just a way worse version of him....that's not generational. There will never be another Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, LeBron...etc thats generational.

[@Senseicjj]

God listening to pen feels like a job sometimes, he don’t really be saying shit I promise