Derrick Rose's NBA Legacy | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

[@kyeem-curtismckend3130]

D rose deserved to win that mvp . Took the bulls from the number 7 to number 1 in the east , boozer and Noah missed a lot of games, better record than the heats, ohh Keith bogens was the starting 2 guard

[@Sticktothemodels]

Yep, 62 Wins without an elite 2nd option. Big 3 Miami only won 58 and LeBron regressed in every statistical category. Dwight was rightfully 2nd place

[@OhCanada613]

1000% and that is while Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were all on 1 team br, think about that

[@elianoavila90]

Keith Bogans lol. Dude now plays at my adult rec league, he ain’t that good either going against regular dudes

[@amc1140]

DRose stats were a joke for MVP. He wouldn’t have won in 2024. MVP was such a narrative award back then

[@David-iv6je]

@@amc1140 Still a narrative award. But yeah, there were many better candidates for MVP that year.

[@daltorthedestroyer2016]

I was a little surprised you were going to do an hour and twenty on Derrick rose but now it all makes sense

[@emirmetovic138]

Rose absolutely deserved that MVP. His second and third best options were out for a lot of the season. He was a one man offense on that team and they got the 1st seed.

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

Next to Bo Jackson, Rose is one fo the greatest "what if's" in sports history (at least in my lifetime)

[@peteynorthside]

Maybe Penny Hardaway, too, but he did accomplish a lot in the few seasons before his body broke down.

[@rickDArula]

Penny Hardaway, grant Hill , Brandon Roy , Tracy MacGrady A lot of players were robbed, yet D Rose felt different

[@Sticktothemodels]

It’s funny how D Rose’s MVP is put into question simply based off of Box score numbers, yet guys like Malone & Nash with far worse MVP cases escape the narrative

[@maxiqums1549]

same with Curry's 2015 MVP

[@4ktkaram395]

Nash was so much better lol

[@christophpettis1221]

Nash is always brought up Curry’s unanimous MVP is so lame too

[@JalenRawley]

Never underestimate how much the "local kid does good" hometown hero thing means to the fans. Chicago is a great fan city and we put up with a lot of garbage. The Cubs being losers for over a century, the Bears not understanding what a quarterback is or what they do for decades, the Blackhawks in the NHL finals and you had to pay for Comcast Sports to see it, the whole Tim Floyd era, Jay Williams, Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler, just all sorts of stuff that we weathered and still love our guys... and now here is this homegrown kid just laying it all out there. He was like our own in-house Iverson. We love him, unconditionally. Wins, stats, going against Lebron and the Heatles, that's all great and all, but we really didn't have that kind of thing before. I never root for the Knicks, but I definitely did while Rose was there. And I loved seeing him on the Timberwolves. It's so easy to look at it through rose colored glasses (pun intended) and completely overlook any negatives along the way.

[@Jokoman019]

Dwights mvp case for that season is a really good one i genuinely believe it shouldve been a 2 man race of dwight vs rose. That team had SO MANY injuries that whole season to really key guys and he single handedly kept them afloat, and he was phenomenal in that years playoffs, the rest of his team played god awful and the way he played in that series was the closest thing to prime shaq we’d ever seen at the time.

[@prod.snqwfall1347]

I think it’s insane to say that nothing relevant happened for Rose after 2012. He was incredible in the 2015 playoffs next to Jimmy, that team probably gave the LeBron/Kyrie Cavs their stiffest competition in the East

[@rickDArula]

I hate to think about that series. Back to back buzzer beaters in games 3 & 4. Yet we folded. Especially game 6 getting blown out at home. D Rose did play amazing. Butler was the perfect sidekick. Gasols injury was an issue but not an excuse for why we lost.

[@Shawn_M]

Peak derrick rose was spectacular! Dude was a beast

[@becameabird]

wait for the hidden trak at the end

[@andywalken6838]

🔥🔥🔥

[@farhanhafiz1924]

loved wht u said 34:38 he really was that special man

[@WhelmedButReady]

Simply put, he was on his way to being one of the greatest players to ever play basketball. The things he had already accomplished through just 3 years was incredible. And knowing he was barely 22 before his knees started to fail him and was already Top 3 in the league tells you just how far he had to go. One of the all time what-ifs, but even still, maybe will forever be the most fluid and entertaining rim finisher we'll ever see. He was one of one. He's D. Rose 🌹

[@DrPhill96]

😂

[@jasonrobinson4388]

Had to come make sure I wasn't the only one getting ten minutes of video. I've reset my firestick, uninstalled KZbin and reinstalled. Was starting to get very angry lol

[@jamesmarshall6619]

I would say using the music analogy, Derrick Rose is Jimi Hendrix. Just an explosive few years where he is revered by his peers, revered by those who saw him play, revered by those that never saw him play, doing things that amazed us, just didn't have longevity. Is he a Hall of Famer? I don't know, I would say no because his great years were so few but I'm also not passionately against it. I think I'm like a lot of fans, it's almost not important to me because while his prime wasn't long, it was so much fun to watch that the excitement of those memories are all that really matters.

[@JoelCruz-ng4rn]

The fact that you brought up Lebron shows you aren’t looking at the MVP objectively either. Lebron finished 3rd, not second. He started the season bragging about a run of 8 titles. And then couldn’t even win best record in the East playing with his superstar friends. Teams with PG’s as the best player have a higher degree of difficulty for success. Best record and 3 wins shy of the Finals is awesome

[@christophpettis1221]

Either you win it all or you don’t

[@holtblvd]

Wild take if you think LeBron deserved MVP over Rose that year. That was year one of LeBron's villain arc and he had Wade and Bosh as teammates. Rose led a borderline playoff team from a year before to the #1 seed in the entire league. Also, and I don't think I'm exaggerating here, he was the only shot creator on the entire team. He drove 100% of the offense when he was on the floor. The starting #2 was Bogans - a 3&D guy role player. The backup PG was CJ Watson - a shaky ball handler at best for that position. Korver, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Asik... none of these guys were creators. Rose was a one man wrecking crew who carried a team like Iverson did in 2001, probably more so tbh. Oh, and Rose and the Bulls swept the superteam Heat every game of that regular season. (Sadly, the ECF was a different story but MVP is a regular season award).

[@christophpettis1221]

Eh everyone knew what it really was come playoff time

[@JoelCruz-ng4rn]

@@christophpettis1221 Lebron should be happy he wasn’t awarded MVP. Imagine being a 3 peat MVP winner just to score 8 points in a Finals game and lose as a favorite for the 3rd straight year in the playoffs

[@rickDArula]

Then the next year the other guys made up for it in 2011-12 when rose missed a lot of time. We still secured the 1 seed more or less without rose. That 2012 post season was the one, win or lose to Miami, that was their peak chance.

[@PeeedaPan]

He's revered because players know nobody was stopping him, only injuries stopped him from dominating

[@dereksupernaut]

as a huge MJ & Pippen Bulls fan, Rose played as hard to win as anyone...

[@drewbreezy5854]

That's pretty much it. Nicely done

[@TheUltimateRage]

Rose was on the "My Expert Opinion" podcast with Math Hoffa (a legendary battle rapper) last year detailing his life and career up to that point. It's a fascinating watch considering the fact that he rarely does interviews. Y'all should check that out if y'all haven't already!

[@montrelleholder6737]

He was revered back then as well by his fans & peers

[@montrelleholder6737]

So upset I never saw him play live 😢

[@Swagoullie]

I’m amazed at how many short runs he had after the huge injuries. I mean look at guys like TMac where they couldn’t really reinvent their game to still be a contributor.

[@robertgriffin5703]

Derrick was the best on ball defender at pg that year too.

[@aholegames4207]

cant wait for the rebrand: the zach lowe and ryen russilo podcast!

[@ewmcdade]

It was the “wow” factor of Rose despite the numbers. He was a highlight reel every game, doing shit we never saw before on the way to a #1 seed.

[@cyroneto1515]

lmaoo what is Kyle doing editing this? just an hour of nothing? 😅

[@BAMAMADEMG]

I thought It was maybe my phone 😂

[@dolu2668]

The editing is awful lmao but we forgive whoever done this it's a rare mishap 😅

[@cyroneto1515]

@@BAMAMADEMG lol I did too

[@joeg2258]

I was hoping this wasn't an audio of Russillo forgetting to shut everything down like Unc lol

[@sebastianpedone7209]

Gran final de video, lindas palabras, Russillo sabe como terminar un vid

[@JeewanthaBandara]

Nephew Kyle stays cashing them checks

[@akadanielmaia]

Just like Dwight, Rose is a default first ballot hall of fame

[@t-god2439]

If we talking about mvp. Does anyone else miss when the players used to get the award in front of fans? Imo it made it more memorable and impactful

[@selanryn5849]

They still do. At least, Embiid did. I think Jokic didn't get his at a game one year because he'd already been eliminated from the playoffs, but normally they do.

[@IndieGamerChick]

Derrick Rose's value couldn't be measured at Basketball Reference because there's no metric for boosting the confidence of your team. There's no metric for "a nominal player is twice as good just by proximity to this guy." It's something you had to see as it was happening. Boozer and Noah had just a little more swagger than before or after. Deng looked just a little more confident. These were guys who were missing games, too. When Taj Gibson walked out onto the court, he looked like a world conqueror. That's why Rose was MVP. Trade him for a run of the mill star and those guys would have a face like "ah shit, I hope the media isn't watching this game too close."

[@alperyldrm6385]

Rose deserved that MVP but they gave it to him mostly because Bron's move to Miami was hugely unpopular at the time and they don't do three-peats on MVP's. Last guy who won three in a row was Larry Bird in the mid 80's.

[@tmac731]

D Rose is the reason why Tyrese and Anthony Edwards have the money they do now because of the Rose rule for nba contracts. His MVP season alone is the reason why he should make HOF, also if you look at the PG position, they were pass first(CP3, Deron Williams, Kidd and Nash) after Rose we have Lillard Kyrie and Curry who are score first PGs

[@acrobatmapping]

He should have mentioned how the MVP race has changed. It used to always be best player on best team...hence Steve Nash winning 2 MVP's despite Shaq being the the best. Same thing. Now says analytics comes in as the primary factor with more of just a requirement to be in the top group of teams.

[@sebastianpedone7209]

Amo esa cocina alla HEAT

[@JR6Lara]

Youre a joke dude! D rose was the mvp because he was feared and was the best player that year. It's not all stats. Lebron had a better support team than Rose. just look at the head to head matchups that regular season! D rose was the highlight!

[@cam8868]

The bulls jump to the 1 seed was mostly because of thibs and them becoming the best defense in basketball. Rose was great and had to carry the load on offense but I believe that Dwight should have won that year

[@homerthompson416]

Probably third on my what if power rankings behind 1. What if Walton played for a team that gave a shit about its players instead of running them into the ground and 2. What if Sabonis had come to the NBA in 1988 instead of 1996 once his knees were gone. So another Portland what if. I'll still never forget that epic first round series DRose had vs Boston, some of the most exciting basketball I have ever watched. Feel like we got robbed because Rose would have brought a title or two to Chicago.

[@jamesmarshall6619]

I'm sure if we went through other teams histories we could find a lot of big time what ifs but it does feel like the Trailblazers just had more big ones. Walton, Sabonis, Bowie, Oden, Roy, just a collection of some "Holy crap, what could have been!" I don't think Bowie is some all-time great center but if he was healthy maybe he could have been a really good quality center that helps them in their quest for a title.

[@ericglass1270]

Russillooooo

[@MrEvannelson]

I get your stats backing things up but the guy retires from an amazing career and you 💩 on him the entire video? Did you do that with Gordon Hayward when you interviewed him??? 🤔

[@BowersGameCorner]

What podcast were you watching?

[@mikepetitti]

Rose won MVP in a large part due to the backlash against Lebron going to Miami. Yes, Rose had a great year in 2011 and the Bulls don't win anywhere near 62 games without him.

[@synapse913]

And most of us understood that at the time. This will be one of those things that as the years go by, that context will be lost. Everyone was PO’d at LeBron at the time; no way was he winning MVP that year.

[@RICHPHENOM]

Were you in a coma in 2011?? The Heat were supposed to Blow THROUGH the League and the Bulls were better in the regular season. They played on National TV every time and Rose outplayed the Heat big 3 and won every time. Chris Bosh cried in the locker room. Pretending that Rose MVP wasnt legit is something I expect a 20 year old to say who wasnt there.

[@Mamba219]

Surprised Russillo didn't mention this, but unless the Heat had gone 67-15 that year, there was no way LeBron was sniffing MVP. Everyone except Heat fans despised that Miami team, and the perception was of him and Bosh going to join Wade's team. There was always the retroactively stupid question that year of whether or not LeBron or Wade was the #1 on that team, too.

[@Stevemcnash]

The amount of time he spends protecting himself from fake twitter arguments by cavoiting everything he says is not only exhausting, but embarrassing for someone who's been a journalist as long as he has. Just give your fucking take and live with it.

[@Nootz10]

Here's how Lebron didn't win MVP that first season with the Heat: there was real debate as to who was actually the more important player on the team, Lebron or Wade. In 2024, people can think that's stupid, but that's irrelevant. In 2011, when they were figuring things out and Wade was still in his prime, it was a real question. Rose, on the other hand, was unquestionably the best player and guy who the rest of the team gathered around. It also didn't hurt the Bulls had the number 1 seed over the Heat, who had 2 of the best 4 or 5 players in the league, and 3 of the top 15.

[@NoName-cn3cp]

It's still D Rose forever

[@88smjls]

You left out LeBron was paying the the going Miami tax. The fan base is so incredible they were booing the dead GM’s wife.

[@willingexile3374]

LeBron wasn't going to win MVP that year, he had a stacked team, he had good stats but he wasn't driving the team. D-Rose did everything one would expect a competitor would do and more, with less talent around him, and him playing a bigger role toward winning, and the Bulls actually finishing with a better record than the Heat. Dwight Howard was coming off a stretch of dominant two-way basketball. Yes, voter fatigue and narrative had something to do with it, but the league did as it should - reward the player who did the most for the league.

[@tmac731]

the best athlete to play in the NBA was Wilt Chamberlain

[@michaelchen1838]

D Rose sticking around just cuz of his shoe deal was really sad. His interviews show that he was tired of the injuries and wanted to not be hobbled in his post playing life, but still did it

[@cgcouch]

Next life advice is going to be brutal for Kyle.

[@patricija4179]

In 2015 Steph won while averaging 23.8 ppg, 4.3rpg and 7.7apg. Harden had 28/5/7 LeBron had 25/6/7 Russ had 28/7/9 Harden even had more WS than Steph. Yes Steph had more wins but also a better supporting cast. If you just go back and review it Steph was not a clear MVP frontrunner yet at a time he WAS and HE DESERVED IT. The same applies to Derrick Rose. Bron the GOAT tho.

[@Shortballa11]

Rose won it because they faced head to head near the end of the season and Rose embarassed Lebron and Wade. The head to head matchups matter.

[@jackjackthompson5771]

Not sure that kitchen gets a lot of use…😂

[@ShirleyLee-m8r]

Abe Crescent

[@jchannelty]

Looks back at stats says “how did rose in this mvp” and then argues how looking at stats is wrong….. So dumb

[@yesmanyrangel9328]

D rose led a team no one expected to be a contender, bulls beat all the best teams during the regular season, he had no superstars, without rose bulls would of been a fringe 8th seed lol The heat would of been a contender or a top 4 seed without lebron. Lebron had two hall of famers in their prime, couldnt get to 60 wins in a weak east

[@Kalinbuggs]

Well wade and bosh being better than Drose second option. Also Rose, Wade & LBJ had similar production

[@OscarPrima-b4y]

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[@Bikegod1]

Take a look at Drose basketball reference page, why does he have a single first place mvp vote in 2020-2021 MVP voting? There needs to be a criminal investigation into who cast that vote lol

[@davincerica7232]

GET TO THE POINT RUSSILLO

[@chopin1975-tq3gx]

the 1 seed gave lamar jackson an mvp

[@LLLLL17992]

Overrated af IMO

[@RoninBgk]

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[@Anthonycheesman33]

Derrick rose definitely didn’t deserve to be the mvp even at the time I thought it was bs , and a decade later it’s even more so.

[@RoninBgk]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ndbobby1]

Quit on his team. Wouldn't play when he was medically cleared.

[@DrPhill96]

He will be looked at just like Westbrook and Iverson. Athletic non shooters that were exciting but never won a title.

[@JJ_5289]

Rose has the injury asterisk though. We got to see at least 8-10 years of iverson and westbrook at their peak

[@DrPhill96]

@@JJ_5289 - They all had the same ceiling. Neither could shoot from the perimeter or play defense well enough.

[@JJ_5289]

@@DrPhill96 I agree with you, but people could argue that Rose never hit his ceiling as a player since he had major injuries in his early 20's. He could have potentially imprpoved as a shooter

[@DrPhill96]

@@poorchris - All the same: athletic with no jumper or defense.

[@Shortballa11]

Allen Iverson had a jumper. he was an inefficient player much like all the 2000s guards. Kobe included. Rose also was developing a 3 much better than Westbrook and his midrange was consistent.

[@c.a.huggins7207]

Making the Hall of Fame? Lol... FOH

[@umberto488]

Yeah..he shouldn't make it with 3 good years

[@umberto488]

@poorchris Bill Walton was finals MVP and champ, bud....take him out your list. Reggie Miller was great for a whole career, not 3 years. Tracy Mcgrady showed more great years than Rose as well, though I'm not sure he should be in the hall of fame tbh.

[@umberto488]

@@poorchris poor man's rose? Ummm....they are nothing alike, buddy. Regardless, he had a good 7 years.

[@umberto488]

@poorchris eeeh.....you are looking at this with rose tinted glasses. Rose had 3 great years and was never beyond a role player after that. It sucks he was injured, but maybe he would have held up better if he wasnt eating candy lime a 6 year old and treating his body right...his choices play into his legacy. His heights were amazing, though he probably shouldn't even possess the one MVP he had. Reggie became an all time shooter and closer....Rose was great for a couple years. Walton was an all-time great who won when it mattered most(rewriting history is a slippery slope with no stopping point).....Rose made a playoff team better, and had a stand-out year. Mcgrady or Rose is a toss up....but Mcgrady will likely be listed higher on all time lists because he was more unstoppable for more of his career. Rose was great...for less time than a college education. He will probably make the Hall of fame, but I think it's questionable, and he most definitely isn't as impactful as those you listed....sans Mcgrady. They are neck-n-neck.

[@VictorGarciaJr]

Nephew Kyle forgot to turn off the tiktok camera.