Derrick Rose's NBA Legacy | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

Ryen discusses Derrick Rose's retirement, his career arc and what will be his NBA legacy.
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[@kyeem-curtismckend3130]

D rose deserved to win that mvp . Took the bulls from the number 7 to number 1 in the east , boozer and Noah missed a lot of games, better record than the heats, ohh Keith bogens was the starting 2 guard

[@Sticktothemodels]

Yep, 62 Wins without an elite 2nd option. Big 3 Miami only won 58 and LeBron regressed in every statistical category. Dwight was rightfully 2nd place

[@OhCanada613]

1000% and that is while Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were all on 1 team br, think about that

[@elianoavila90]

Keith Bogans lol. Dude now plays at my adult rec league, he ain’t that good either going against regular dudes

[@amc1140]

DRose stats were a joke for MVP. He wouldn’t have won in 2024. MVP was such a narrative award back then

[@David-iv6je]

@@amc1140 Still a narrative award. But yeah, there were many better candidates for MVP that year.

[@daltorthedestroyer2016]

I was a little surprised you were going to do an hour and twenty on Derrick rose but now it all makes sense

[@cyroneto1515]

lmaoo what is Kyle doing editing this? just an hour of nothing? 😅

[@BAMAMADEMG]

I thought It was maybe my phone 😂

[@dolu2668]

The editing is awful lmao but we forgive whoever done this it's a rare mishap 😅

[@cyroneto1515]

@@BAMAMADEMG lol I did too

[@joeg2258]

I was hoping this wasn't an audio of Russillo forgetting to shut everything down like Unc lol

[@becameabird]

wait for the hidden trak at the end

[@andywalken6838]

🔥🔥🔥

[@poorchris]

2011 Derrick Rose wasn't just the 1 seed. Derrick Rose was the 1 seed without his 2nd & 3rd best player for the majority of the year. Rose was 1 seed sweeping the Heat in the regular season, despite Rose not playing with a single All Star/All NBA player (Lebron/Wade/Bosh same team). Lebron was not the MVP. There was a question whether Lebron was even the best player on his team (see 2011 NBA Finals, would've been Wade's FMVP if Heat don't choke). Dwight was a monstrous two way player. There was a two horse MVP race and Lebron was neverrrrr in it. Had nothing to do with reputation, had to do with results. You can't promise 8 rings, a dynasty, join up with multiple MVP candidates and then not even win your conference. At the time MVP votes were cast, Lebron hadn't won a single Head to Head game vs Derrick Rose despite the matchups being Bogans/Deng/Gibson/Kurt Thomas vs Chalmers/Wade/Haslem/Bosh supporting casts.

[@Lebronluver321]

Joakim played 50 games, boozer played 60 and deng played all 82. As a chicago native I loved rose but there is no real argument for him over lebron for MVP that year. 25/7/4 on 44% from the field vs 27/7/7 on 51% first team all defense. Better argument for dwight than rose that year

[@poorchris]

@@Lebronluver321 ahh the "Chicago native" unbiased take form *lebronluver321* 😂😂 Lebron stans like you have been crying about this award for a decade and no one cares. Lebron got swept by a 6'3 PG carrying an AAU team to the #1 record in the NBA. Pout about it, seethe, copy/paste raw stats like that means anything. Derrick Rose is the youngest MVP of all time and you will never change it

[@Lebronluver321]

@@poorchris lol if u dont get the irony behind my name I dont know what to tell u , clearly u lack proper schooling. Live in the Gold Coast and have been in Chicago the past 20 years of my life. I loved rose and what he did for the bulls but through an objective lense I can acknowledge both bron and dwight had a better season. And to say he carried an AAU team to the #1 seed is such an insane statement just shows u dont watch ball. Deng averaged about 18 that year as second fiddle and boozer/noah were great bigs at the time. Rose was great just didnt have the production to deserve the award. Basketball is a team sport and MVP is an individual award. Dwight and bron had better seasons by about every metric u can name lol no need to get all emotional just talking ball

[@bluesnem8396]

@@poorchristhe irony lmao

[@bluesnem8396]

@@poorchrisyou’re the real lebron fan 😂

[@jasonrobinson4388]

Had to come make sure I wasn't the only one getting ten minutes of video. I've reset my firestick, uninstalled KZbin and reinstalled. Was starting to get very angry lol

[@holtblvd]

Wild take if you think LeBron deserved MVP over Rose that year. That was year one of LeBron's villain arc and he had Wade and Bosh as teammates. Rose led a borderline playoff team from a year before to the #1 seed in the entire league. Also, and I don't think I'm exaggerating here, he was the only shot creator on the entire team. He drove 100% of the offense when he was on the floor. The starting #2 was Bogans - a 3&D guy role player. The backup PG was CJ Watson - a shaky ball handler at best for that position. Korver, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Asik... none of these guys were creators. Rose was a one man wrecking crew who carried a team like Iverson did in 2001, probably more so tbh. Oh, and Rose and the Bulls swept the superteam Heat every game of that regular season. (Sadly, the ECF was a different story but MVP is a regular season award).

[@dereksupernaut]

as a huge MJ & Pippen Bulls fan, Rose played as hard to win as anyone...

[@farhanhafiz1924]

loved wht u said 34:38 he really was that special man

[@JeewanthaBandara]

Nephew Kyle stays cashing them checks

[@JoelCruz-ng4rn]

The fact that you brought up Lebron shows you aren’t looking at the MVP objectively either. Lebron finished 3rd, not second. He started the season bragging about a run of 8 titles. And then couldn’t even win best record in the East playing with his superstar friends. Teams with PG’s as the best player have a higher degree of difficulty for success. Best record and 3 wins shy of the Finals is awesome

[@Sticktothemodels]

It’s funny how D Rose’s MVP is put into question simply based off of Box score numbers, yet guys like Malone & Nash with far worse MVP cases escape the narrative

[@poorchris]

Based 💯

[@maxiqums1549]

same with Curry's 2015 MVP

[@PeeedaPan]

He's revered because players know nobody was stopping him, only injuries stopped him from dominating

[@MrEvannelson]

I get your stats backing things up but the guy retires from an amazing career and you 💩 on him the entire video? Did you do that with Gordon Hayward when you interviewed him??? 🤔

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

Next to Bo Jackson, Rose is one fo the greatest "what if's" in sports history (at least in my lifetime)

[@prod.snqwfall1347]

I think it’s insane to say that nothing relevant happened for Rose after 2012. He was incredible in the 2015 playoffs next to Jimmy, that team probably gave the LeBron/Kyrie Cavs their stiffest competition in the East

[@poorchris]

Facts. Rose went into 2015 Golden State's gym (39-2 at home) and handed them their only home loss to an Eastern Conf team all season. Bulls played that game without Jimmy Butler too. Went into OT and D Rose hit the game winner over Klay. Rose was piecing up every elite PG he saw, including peak Steph, peak Kyrie in the playoffs, peak CP3, before or after injury *no one* wanted to see D Rose on the scouting report. Guy was an elite defender too.

[@Stevemcnash]

The amount of time he spends protecting himself from fake twitter arguments by cavoiting everything he says is not only exhausting, but embarrassing for someone who's been a journalist as long as he has. Just give your fucking take and live with it.

[@Shawn_M]

Peak derrick rose was spectacular! Dude was a beast

[@WhelmedButReady]

Simply put, he was on his way to being one of the greatest players to ever play basketball. The things he had already accomplished through just 3 years was incredible. And knowing he was barely 22 before his knees started to fail him and was already Top 3 in the league tells you just how far he had to go. One of the all time what-ifs, but even still, maybe will forever be the most fluid and entertaining rim finisher we'll ever see. He was one of one. He's D. Rose 🌹

[@DrPhill96]

😂

[@danielmaia3559]

Just like Dwight, Rose is a default first ballot hall of fame

[@Swagoullie]

I’m amazed at how many short runs he had after the huge injuries. I mean look at guys like TMac where they couldn’t really reinvent their game to still be a contributor.

[@poorchris]

It's actually insane Ryen will say "Rose had no playoff success" with a straight face Tracy McGrady *never* won a playoff series. Never got out of the first round. And he's in the Hall of Fame. D Rose has 50+ playoff games, took the defending champion Celtics to Game 7 as a rookie, held the highest scoring playoff debut ever after Game 1, carried a limited roster to the Eastern Conference Finals on a sprained ankle (watch that 44 point clinic vs Atlanta ECSF 2011) & buried game winners vs dynasty Lebron teams. What individual star was going at Kobe, Mike, Steph the same way in their same conferences? No one. Didn't exist.

[@TheUltimateRage]

Rose was on the "My Expert Opinion" podcast with Math Hoffa (a legendary battle rapper) last year detailing his life and career up to that point. It's a fascinating watch considering the fact that he rarely does interviews. Y'all should check that out if y'all haven't already!

[@ronnieyoung267]

Gonzalez Christopher Hernandez Steven Hall Eric

[@tmac731]

D Rose is the reason why Tyrese and Anthony Edwards have the money they do now because of the Rose rule for nba contracts. His MVP season alone is the reason why he should make HOF, also if you look at the PG position, they were pass first(CP3, Deron Williams, Kidd and Nash) after Rose we have Lillard Kyrie and Curry who are score first PGs

[@t-god2439]

If we talking about mvp. Does anyone else miss when the players used to get the award in front of fans? Imo it made it more memorable and impactful

[@Nootz23]

Here's how Lebron didn't win MVP that first season with the Heat: there was real debate as to who was actually the more important player on the team, Lebron or Wade. In 2024, people can think that's stupid, but that's irrelevant. In 2011, when they were figuring things out and Wade was still in his prime, it was a real question. Rose, on the other hand, was unquestionably the best player and guy who the rest of the team gathered around. It also didn't hurt the Bulls had the number 1 seed over the Heat, who had 2 of the best 4 or 5 players in the league, and 3 of the top 15.

[@homerthompson416]

Probably third on my what if power rankings behind 1. What if Walton played for a team that gave a shit about its players instead of running them into the ground and 2. What if Sabonis had come to the NBA in 1988 instead of 1996 once his knees were gone. So another Portland what if. I'll still never forget that epic first round series DRose had vs Boston, some of the most exciting basketball I have ever watched. Feel like we got robbed because Rose would have brought a title or two to Chicago.

[@88smjls]

You left out LeBron was paying the the going Miami tax. The fan base is so incredible they were booing the dead GM’s wife.

[@ericglass1270]

Russillooooo

[@tmac731]

the best athlete to play in the NBA was Wilt Chamberlain

[@patricija4179]

In 2015 Steph won while averaging 23.8 ppg, 4.3rpg and 7.7apg. Harden had 28/5/7 LeBron had 25/6/7 Russ had 28/7/9 Harden even had more WS than Steph. Yes Steph had more wins but also a better supporting cast. If you just go back and review it Steph was not a clear MVP frontrunner yet at a time he WAS and HE DESERVED IT. The same applies to Derrick Rose. Bron the GOAT tho.

[@cgcouch]

Next life advice is going to be brutal for Kyle.

[@mikepetitti]

Rose won MVP in a large part due to the backlash against Lebron going to Miami. Yes, Rose had a great year in 2011 and the Bulls don't win anywhere near 62 games without him.

[@synapse913]

And most of us understood that at the time. This will be one of those things that as the years go by, that context will be lost. Everyone was PO’d at LeBron at the time; no way was he winning MVP that year.

[@Bikegod1]

Take a look at Drose basketball reference page, why does he have a single first place mvp vote in 2020-2021 MVP voting? There needs to be a criminal investigation into who cast that vote lol

[@jchannelty]

Looks back at stats says “how did rose in this mvp” and then argues how looking at stats is wrong….. So dumb

[@Anthonycheesman33]

Derrick rose definitely didn’t deserve to be the mvp even at the time I thought it was bs , and a decade later it’s even more so.

[@RoninBgk]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ndbobby1]

Quit on his team. Wouldn't play when he was medically cleared.

[@chopin1975-tq3gx]

the 1 seed gave lamar jackson an mvp

[@c.a.huggins7207]

Making the Hall of Fame? Lol... FOH

[@umberto488]

Yeah..he shouldn't make it with 3 good years

[@poorchris]

Derrick Rose is guaranteed Hall of Famer so get those tears out now D Rose has a significantly better peak and better accomplishments than dozens of Hall of Famers: Reggie Miller, Tracy McGrady, Mitch Richmond, Chris Webber, Bill Walton...

[@umberto488]

@poorchris Bill Walton was finals MVP and champ, bud....take him out your list. Reggie Miller was great for a whole career, not 3 years. Tracy Mcgrady showed more great years than Rose as well, though I'm not sure he should be in the hall of fame tbh.

[@DrPhill96]

He will be looked at just like Westbrook and Iverson. Athletic non shooters that were exciting but never won a title.

[@JJ_5289]

Rose has the injury asterisk though. We got to see at least 8-10 years of iverson and westbrook at their peak

[@DrPhill96]

@@JJ_5289 - They all had the same ceiling. Neither could shoot from the perimeter or play defense well enough.

[@JJ_5289]

@@DrPhill96 I agree with you, but people could argue that Rose never hit his ceiling as a player since he had major injuries in his early 20's. He could have potentially imprpoved as a shooter

[@poorchris]

​@@DrPhill96Rose was 10x the shooter Russ was, 10x the playmaker Iverson was at 22 years old..

[@DrPhill96]

@@poorchris - All the same: athletic with no jumper or defense.

[@VictorGarciaJr]

Nephew Kyle forgot to turn off the tiktok camera.