DERRY CIVIL WAR JUNE 1920

[@Ourdavey64]

Thank you for this. It gives me a better perspective of the times my Grandparents lived through. My Gran, a Catholic was 16 at the time. She lived at 14 Fahan street. My Grandad was English, a British soldier who came to the city in 1924. They courted at the gates of Ebrington barracks. They were married at St. Columba's church Waterside. (My Grandad converted to Catholicism) My gran faced serious threats and she fled Derry having to leave her two sons behind (my uncles) until they could be safely reunited. My Gran, nonetheless, remained committed to her Catholic faith. They had a long, loving marriage. All eight of her kids were raised Catholic. She maintained her gift of the Craic and sense of humour. My Grandad called her 'My Irish Lady', she called him 'My English Bastard'. I look forward to visiting Derry one day to walk in their footsteps.

[@dermotmcglinchey282]

Well said David, I was born and bred in Derry and left at 17 to go globetrotting..I love going back to my home town , you will find Derry people very welcoming and without malice..Make it a point to visit but excuse the crappy weather and enjoy having a pint in some of Derry’s great pubs..

[@Benidorm167]

Lovely story…… Toronto

[@stansirlmkhope2312]

My father a ulster loyalist converted to Catholicism to marry my mother in 48 .soon after threats by both communities they moved to England

[@seanmccole1847]

My granda was one of the 12 men. Amazing video. James Herron from Marlborough ave. Still a family owned house 100 years later.

[@paddydanagher2768]

Now! that is Amazing, I'm so pleased you like the video.

[@paddydanagher]

Pleased you enjoyed the Video, Great Story

[@aidan379]

A hero

[@huub1989]

My grandfather told me about this in the 1980’s, he also thought it strange that no one spoke about it. He thought that was due to the fact that everyone was so shocked by what had happened that they tried to erase it, also that partition had made the Catholics feel very vulnerable and so the Catholic population were determined to make the best of a bad situation and keep their heads down. He told me that he had, as a nine year old,witnessed the shooting on Bishop Street and around Abercorn Road. I’m not sure where he lived at that time, possibly Argyle Street.

[@naponroy]

I think it slipped from collective memory because it might have been overshadowed by the events of the Troubles.

[@tinmachine693]

It's a shame events from the 17th century haven't slipped from collective memory.

[@motobelo]

Informative movie. Well done.

[@victoriaaguer7681]

Thanks lord Jesus is good we to. Thanks 🙏 🕊

[@johnpaulmartinherron]

Derry always seems to have been a microcosm of the incessant Irish question....

[@TheBunter4]

When I was growing up this episode in the History of Derry was referred to - (long before1969) - as "the riots" and you could still see bullet marks on some of the buildings but these are all gone now due to redevelopments and rebuilding.

[@kevinquigg9328]

Fantastic.......Thank you.

[@elainemcgilloway2599]

Excellent research and programme I was unaware of this... I really must delve into the history of this town. It's amazing... That most of us do not realise the history of this town and an obvious loss not to know.. thankyou for this. Greatly appreciated.

[@shaunaustin7574]

My grandfather was the last victim mentioned, Augustus Austin. People think it was an unusual name, but his mother was from Berlin, Agnes Kramer. Once of her family was named Augusta,a popular name ,after Empress Augusta, in central Europe at the time when they left. The reason they left was anti-Semitism which was common in Europe in th nineteenth century - it didn't start with the Nazis. The Kramer's settled near Edinburgh which was one of two places German Jews settled, the other being Leeds, Yorkshire. They were tailors by trade. Agnes married Daniel Austin, a Scottish soldier Augustus followed in his father's footsteps and joined the Royal Scots

[@shaunaustin7574]

Fusiliers in 1910 and was stationed at Ebrington Barracks by 1912. He was sent to France in August 1914 when the war broke out and was wounded in both legs near Ypres in 1915. He wasn't passed for front line duty but stayed on training new recruits in the West Riding regiment. He served in the Labour Corps until 1920. Then he was murdered when he came home to his wife and children simply because he had converted to Catholicism. Sad to see the comments on here that show sectarianism is alive an well.

[@paddydanagher]

@@shaunaustin7574 What a tragic story about your grandfather, and it is sad to see comments that are sectarian. Mostly these comments stem from those who are ignorant to the history, and have no compassion for those effected by War / Violence. 100 years on, learning to live together is the goal, and to have a positive regard for all in our society. Understanding that we are all interlinked and intertwined in our history, and that our future will be also, we must do it together with understanding.

[@michaelf34]

My grandmother told me about the shooting at the bottom of fountain hill of a Mr o Kane...who apparently knew his killer .. I definitely never thought there were as many killed in this episode as it transpired .. 20😢not that well known even to people who live in the city..another reason to be a force for peace and reconciliation..

[@garyb5998]

Everyday is a school day and I had a lesson today , this coming from a Belfast born and rared and An Unrepentant Fenian . The intensity of the struggle for Irish 🇮🇪 freedom needs to be better known and better remembered . Excellent remembering of history.

[@seanohare9819]

Very well done great music should be more well-known

[@paddydanagher]

Glad you enjoyed the music

[@patrickball2493]

Very lnteresting , the 6 counties of the North tends to get forgotten in the lrish war of lndependence of 1920 as most historical attention is focused on the South.

[@robertmurray6043]

My mother was born at 103 Glendermort Road in the Waterside on 31/8/19 she and her mum and dad lived through this. That said the film is without doubt narrated and skewed towards the IRA and their anti-protestant agenda. By the way, my mum always thought of herself as an Irish wumman before anything else. A Derry wumman is what she said, The video is so one sided that it totally devalues the truth of what happened at the time. The hate should be forgotten and the future should be embraced.

[@johnfarrell5075]

The Body count and the obvious discrimination and pure hatred of Catholics at the time gives this a ring of truth

[@thomasharkin5063]

This is not ever mention in any of the history books of that period, well research.

[@emmetoconnor5105]

It's in all local histories, and a few national ones.

[@richardloring7545]

I'm English thru n thru but been looking up Ulster lately..Christ if I was Catholic I would have risen up...We weren't told the other side here in 70s...Maybe not truth from both sides may have stopped this tragedy...Every Northern irish people I've met have always been really friendly...whatever there denomination....peace now?????

[@ggeggums]

Richard, The english were purposefully kept in the dark.. Look up the Irish Famine and the british involvement in it. You'll be shocked. But mostly, I think you will be truly saddened.

[@amysands8925]

​@@ggeggums O God not the famine again. And you think the Unionist live in the past. That's why there will be no piece and the hatred will never die. When you hate someone to the extent that you would kill them totally sick.

[@redmcclaff]

I remember reading about this and many other incidents in Derry in the book The Orange State, in 1980s.

[@stephenmcwilliams5842]

Michael Farrell's wonderful book?

[@amc6116]

This is very well made, can I ask where you got all the images used in the video?

[@paddydanagher]

Sorry for the late Reply, not all the images are from the area, but are from Ireland during that time. its was difficult to get images, but those of the area are taken from old newspapers and a collection put together from the Museum of Free Derry. I hope this helps

[@amc6116]

@@paddydanagher helps surely. Keep up the good work.

[@ld1363]

Your showing footage and pictures from Dublin tho?

[@robertphair4285]

Very good factual documentary.

[@f.b508]

There is no London in Derry

[@billbo2117]

Now go n check out what was happening in Cork around the same time and you will understand why this happened.

[@celticguy197531]

I am related to the O'Kanes of Derry (Londonderry) i wonder if i am related to that O'Kane

[@leenewsom7517]

Ancient family there.

[@Minime163]

Poor northern Ireland when will you ever put your difference's aside and start working together to make northern Ireland a viable entity. Peace and happiness for the new year from the republic

[@patrickconnolly6185]

Why should we accept what the other 26 counties couldn’t a lot of people give their lives for the Republic of Ireland independence who came from the six counties . I live in the north I have no problem with unionist people who I have many friends but I have my aspirations for a United Ireland I don’t need someone from the south telling me to accept something they wouldn’t

[@johnorourke9767]

For the sake of everyone there especially the children move on

[@barrymcguire5048]

@@patrickconnolly6185 you are completely right the south should hold its head in shame from a native southerner🇮🇪💚🇮🇪

[@sararyan1255]

🇮🇪🇮🇪Derry. 🇮🇪🇮🇪🥰

[@pcmaclin]

🇬🇧🇬🇧Londonderry. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🥰

[@johnorourke9767]

Just Derry the same as the rest of our country

[@Jim54_]

How Protestants and Catholics, two groups of people who worship the same god, same Jesus, and use the same bible, don’t get on, just baffles the mind

[@fcb9950]

It's about national identity not religion

[@ocomaing]

Lol it’s called British imperialism

[@Jim54_]

@@fcb9950 I’m not talking about the nationalistic element of it, Im talking about the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics around the world since the Reformation. Plenty of Protestants were Irish patriots, but religious conflicts in Ireland long predate the Ulster plantations

[@cynthiaalver]

​@@fcb9950I don't understand. A man on the street accosts two men, asks them what religion they are and shoots them when they respond as catholic. How is that not religious? Please help me understand.

[@johnkirwan6327]

Very interesting documentary but you need to remix the sound, the music is far too loud and off-putting

[@sararyan1255]

🇮🇪🇮🇪Derry

[@pcmaclin]

🇬🇧🇬🇧Londonderry

[@eileenkillen1481]

🇮🇪DERRY 🇮🇪

[@pcmaclin]

@@eileenkillen1481 Nah, no such place as Derry. It is OFFICIALLY LONDONDERRY. Check your FACTS.

[@pcmaclin]

@cú chulainn Ok so you went to all that bother of copying all that drivel and then typing it all out here 🤣🤣. Just about all of what you wasted your time copying, I learnt at school anyway 😂, so your not telling me anything new. It doesn't change the fact that it's Londonderry.

[@edwardfalcus7013]

I think Dublinderry has got a better ring to it!

[@margin606]

Very intrusive music 😔

[@michealcregan3726]

Free palestine Same fight different country's

[@chrisnicholl6078]

Anyone know what the background music is?

[@paddydanagher]

HI, I composed the Soundtrack

[@chrisnicholl6078]

@@paddydanagher it's perfect for the story, atmospheric and dramatic.

[@paddydanagher]

@@chrisnicholl6078 Thank you

[@emmetoconnor5105]

1.12 who were the Bun Eaters?

[@stephenmcwilliams5842]

I think that is a reference to those of Catholic background who scraped to the British and ate from their table.

[@idcraw]

Vita Veritas Victoria

[@judithparker4608]

THEY'RE HERE !!

[@johnmccarthy1770]

So well done time for Ireland to unite and work for the common good

[@lamontcranston3177]

Too bad the narrator was overpowered by the really loud brass orchestra. I would have watched this.

[@robertalpy9422]

America has always supported complete Irish liberty. They supported the Union in The Civil war while Britain ran our blockade of the South and all but openly supported the rebels until emancipation made it impossible for them to continue doing so. We have long memories. If Britain was so interested in destroying our Union of States we don't see anything wrong with Ireland regaining all its territory. We still consider Britain an ally, but what's the point of holding onto such a small slice of Ireland when you've already ceeded the rest.

[@ulstervol.]

Because the majority of people in Northern ireland want to remain in the United kingdom.

[@robertalpy9422]

@@ulstervol. most southerners thought their rebellion meant they were a real country but they were never recognized as such by any foreign power and after four years of bloody war The north was finally able to help them realize that they were never anything but rebellious states in The Union. Oaths of loyalty were extracted to drive the point home and the South was quickly reabsorbed at wars end. Aren't most "northern Irish" really Scottish or Welsh Presbyterian implants or English Anglican implants? If I drop 100000 palastininian implants into Dover, does that make southern England AA new Palestinian state? The implants in the north of Ireland were meant to be a foothold by which Ireland could be permanently held as a part of The Empire. Being that Britain gave up on keeping the island as part of Great Britain, shouldn't the whole island pass to the new government? After the revolutionary war Britain tried something similar with the Oregon territories but we eventually brought that all in. The Catholic Irish aren't going to strip them of any rights any other Irishman has, so why walk around with a carbuncle like northern Ireland attached to your heel? When we conquered Mexico we only took the good bits because if we kept the whole thing, which we could have, we would have had to make all the Mexicans American citizens. Rather than take on that trouble, we took the top half, left them the bottom and made sure the territories were flooded with English speaking settlers. If I Were Great Britain I would drop northern Ireland like a bad habit. Seems more trouble than it's worth. Either that or truly commit to conquest and retake the island and displace all the Irish to some other country. You're riding the fence. Just pick a position and stick with it.

[@steveburn8125]

It’s long past time for Britain to be out of the North it appears that when a democratic vote, put Sinn Féin in, that it was simply not accepted by the loyalist minority. Now I know both sides have done terrible things to each other, but surely, looking at modern Ireland, couldn’t most Protestants live in that state? I wish I lived in Ireland rather than Brexit Britain.

[@ulstervol.]

@@steveburn8125 loyalism is the exaggerated version of unionism, the majority of people in northern ireland are unionist, not loyalist, 24% of Catholics vote unionist, the reason being that they have the sense to not want to be a part of the broken republic, and if you really want to live in the republic of ireland go ahead, they have inflated prices in nearly everything compared to the uk, also the fact that a gp visit costs €50 😂😂 I'll take my nhs thanks. Long live the UK.

[@ulstervol.]

@@robertalpy9422 sounds like a yanks perspective on an irish problem, if you weren't so ignorant you would know that for 2000 years (long before the norman english invasion of Ireland) there has been cultural and economic allegiances and kingdoms which had land on both sides of the irish sea ( kingdom of dal riada, the viking settlements) dont attempt to simplify the politics of these islands. Seems to me you need to research further in to the history and drop your romanticized view of irish vs english colonial nonsense. Ireland wasnt a conquest of the british empire, it was one of the founding countries of said empire.

[@Kazby78]

Derry has always had a nationalist majority.

[@drfeelgood9814]

If you want to hear an example of unionist sectarian and racist Grotesque bigotry,you only need to hear wee gregory campbell,2020!

[@niceuneasy]

Only in Ireland

[@mikemccall9375]

Despite all the crimes committed against the Irish , by the Loyalist's , they can never alter the fact , that in the end they've lost , because a united Ireland is only a few year's away. When this happen's , any loyalist who bear's arm's against the Irish state will be dealt with.

[@Fighting_Irish184]

Then it will not be a “United Ireland”. Just a different majority persecuting a minority. Need to look at the flag and remember it’s meaning.

[@edcarson3113]

Mike...yous have been saying that for a hundred years, you’re no closer. And Brexit has solidified Northern Ireland’s place within the UK. Northern Catholic business men are already enjoying the benefits and pounds are more precious than a romantic ideal . 🇬🇧😁

[@johnorourke9767]

There i is no getting away from the facts it's coming sooner rather than later be prepared there is a big change coming your way???

[@johnorourke9767]

They have being getting away with murder and what have u but and I say but none of u will get away with anything when the country is united

[@johnorourke9767]

Justice will prevail

[@chadferris1]

the ira come across as very good fellows ffs, and very bad shooters and boy wasn't it nice to have a arms dump in Donegal to protect the poor Catholics. Who were as bad as everyone else involved in the troubles .

[@thomaswilga735]

I am afraid your words betray your wafer thin bigotry, well known tactic of pointing the finger when you are caught doing something wrong ,being used frequently by your bedfellows on the mainland at the moment, that connection hasn’t gone too well ,hung onto their coat tails and tried to gain any advantage but I’m afraid they have thrown you under the big red bus and there’s no way back ,but don’t worry unduly the poor catholics that you deemed will look after you better than your brethren looked after them ,when the island is re united again An old Chinese proverb for your enlightenment one finger pointing forward three pointing back

[@chadferris1]

@@thomaswilga735 what happened a100 years ago in Ireland is completely different to the world we live in today. My point was ALL sides done wrong over the last 100 years.Also I have no problem living with my NON violent fellow Irish men and women ,so point your wee bigoted finger somewhere else.

[@thomaspollock5709]

They had to get the British to save them

[@johnkelly879]

🇮🇪 💚🤍💛

[@corkboy4523]

It was apartheid, nothing less!

[@conorfields171]

irish nationalism needs a broadcasting voice the british, the northern establishment and the southern establishment will NEVER tell the truth of the nationalists plight

[@jimmihotdog3469]

BS

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

Other way around, the IRA provoked Loyalists who after showing superhuman restraint gave Irish Nationalists a taste of their own medicine. Thank god Londonderry triumphed and our freedom was maintained.

[@gmcdoire3464]

Keep trying to rewrite history planter. Derry is and always will be a Republican town

[@brazilianbhoy]

Very soon you'll be living in a united Ireland. TAL.🇪🇺🇮🇪

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

@@brazilianbhoy Yes, Brexit and Covid will probably make you beg to us to take you back.

[@edcarson3113]

@@gmcdoire3464 you don’t know history. You’ve been fed a crock of fairytales. Ireland was only ever united under an English Monarchy. The North of the island has always been a separate people from the southern tribes. If you look at any war you’ll find the North always wins.

[@gmcdoire3464]

@@edcarson3113 that's ironic coming from a loyalist whose whole history is built on fictional nonsense. If you knew your own history you would know that foreign planters first arrived in Ulster in the early 1600's and it was the last part of the island to be stolen. Derry is 95% nationalist, the cityside used to have many Unionists living there but where are they now ??

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

Interesting, my father is from Hawkin Street in the Fountain and my aunt used to own a shop in Carlisle Road, my grandfathers both B-specials. Some fascinating images of Londonderry, remarkable how much of the city survived unchanged through the years. BUT a lot of these images are not from Londonderry, some are from Dublin both from this period and even pre-Rising (you can clearly see the DMP constable with the Tommy and Auxies), one is from the South's Civil War, the destroyer pictured is indeed sailing up the Foyle but quite clearly from WW2. Never knew Clancy and McKee were behind all this, glad they got what they deserved on Bloody Sunday. You just marvel at the stupidity and timidity of the government for not sending in the army sooner and going all out to defeat the IRA, their acts of appeasement to Irish Nationalism up to this time are incredible and disgusting. Of course this is forgotten, it barely mattered at all, Londonderry lost thousands of people in the Great War, this was a minor skirmish in comparison.

[@paddydanagher]

This is correct about the images, it was difficult to find enough moving or still images. Trying to capture the mood of the time the idea of using moving images from that period of other areas was needed for the duration, only 2mins of original moving image was used, and reused. However i'm glad you found it interesting.

[@weekendwet1]

It seems the Unionist got beat.

[@johnorourke9767]

They have never being much of a fighting force anyway

[@grouchomarxwisewords]

LONDONDERRY!! 🇬🇧

[@johnorourke9767]

Not for much longer ???

[@wor53lg50]

Why do yanks try and put on that fake Irish accent when talking about Ireland?, i'm half Irish from my grandad and English and i find it cringe, even i dont do it when among real Irish, in fact if i did thered either rip the piss out of me, or rip me to shreds?, i blame hollyweird and them watching to many films?!...thered get more clout if they learned gaelic instead, but going by their education system and how its fixed this would be a very,very tall order so it would...

[@kevinmccauley6135]

Good information spoilt by pointless "Music"

[@markbrave]

It’s Londonderry NOT Derry

[@Aindriuh]

It was Doire long before some twat put London in front of it.

[@turidoreilly9078]

Derry will be free soon as unionism dies on its poisonous vine

[@markbrave]

Turid O'Reilly no such pace as Derry

[@gerardmacmillan6699]

Lovely Derry go away n take your union flags with you. IRA (Undefeated army)

[@patrickball2493]

London is in England and Derry is in lreland. Don't confuse the two .