Description of Shien Lightsaber Combat

[@tycad8990]

I love that bit toward the end. As if to say: "I may be about to lose this fight, but I assure you, by the time we're done here, you'll be eating all of your meals through a straw for the next 10 years.

[@piercewise2232]

who said that,vader?

[@darthrevan4933]

Pierce Wise it's not said he's talking about the bare fist beating Vader dishes out at the 5:52 mark

[@robrockstar9648]

Djem So. if your opponents lightsaber is not getting pushed back into their body you aren't hitting them hard enough.

[@lordinquisitorsec7532]

too true lol.

[@danmarusan2878]

If someone masters both Shien and Djem So he/she is (at least on paper) prepared for anything. He/She can handle blast deflection, can fight off multiple opponents and be a pretty good duelist at the same time. That's the reason why Form V is my favourite form of lightsaber combat.

[@marcusbrown9368]

Same

[@KumaoftheForest]

Trouble is Form V has problems with single lightsaber combat

[@danmarusan2878]

+KumaoftheForest That's the reason for mastering both variants of the form. djem so is optimzed for lightsaber dueling while shien is optimized for blast deflection and fighting off multiple opponents. Look at Anakin Skywalker: In episode 3 he fucked up count dooku, one of the best duelist at the time. During the clone wars he survived lot's of battlefield engagements using shien for blast deflection. You should listen to Jensaarai.

[@ThePeaterBeater]

+Danmaru San The issue I see with Djem So is endurance. It's so taxing that lasting long in duels can be difficult, especially if dueling with a Soresu specialist. The Soresu duelist could theoretically outlast the Djem So duelist, with its focus on "BRUTE FORCE BRUTE FORCE BRUTE FORCE."

[@TheGhostDogg100]

Only if you're someone of obi-wan's caliber.

[@gregzz55]

I loved the "he will fuck you up" part

[@legion6785678]

Same here. " He will FUCK.YOU.UP"

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

I LOVE Form V. Mixed with Soresu you pretty much become a lethal stone wall against blasters

[@jon636374]

Vader is a fucking tank. And even when he is getting beat, he will fuck,you,up. Best description of Vader I've ever heard.

[@99thJediWarrior]

Darth Vader does deserve the position of a Form V poster boy. Considering his defeat at Mustafar at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Vader still managed to re-obtain his prowess with Form V. That and unlike his former Jedi self, Vader learned to use Djem So in a more controlled manner instead of simply battering his opponents to dust.

[@99thJediWarrior]

***** It's all Form V, be it Djem So or Shien. Also, Vader was still good at the Shien aspect of Form V.

[@99thJediWarrior]

Apparently he did have alot of time, considering his careers as both a Jedi and a Sith. He was still very adept at what I sometimes call Shien: "retaliated blast deflection" as Vader. Not only that but he was a Sith almost as long as the years he was as a Jedi. I'd say he had plenty of time, even when he was retooling his style.

[@chrismc410]

Not that there's anything wrong with beating the enemy into submission, sometimes brute force is the best way

[@99thJediWarrior]

***** Well for one thing, Shien was developed from Soresu, which was also a lightsaber combat form in which you simply don't wish to be hit or when you're stalling for time. So Vader would have had enough time to develop his Shien technique from that form. Also, it should be noted the Shien was not very useful against a single opponent. But the fact that Anakin was able to use it against Count Dooku for so long during their first duel was a bit of an achievement. Also, in Episode II, Anakin didn't even use Djem So against Dooku. He was using Shien. He wouldn't delve into Djem So until during the Clone Wars and against his final duel with Dooku. Much like how when Obi-Wan fought Dooku when he was using Ataru, not Soresu.

[@piercewise2232]

+99thJediWarrior on the wiki it says when anakin was fighting dooku he used a shien opening stance to throw off dooku then return to his actual Djem So strokes/attacks

[@Sumguyinavan_]

Possible explanation for the Shien user preference of reverse grip: It puts the blade between the attack, saber or blaster shot, and the duelist, sort of like a narrow shield. As a more defensive form, it is better to be making your offensive counters while still defending. Reverse grip keeps the blade close to the body, allowing for tighter movement and less flourish which could mess up your defensive flow. Think of a reverse grip saber like a shield and it makes much more sense. Though something that rather surprises me is that we see the Gungans use hand held energy shields which are able to nullify blaster fire at least, so its strange that I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi employ such a shield. Even if it was useless against sabers, I would rather have a shield covering most of me while taking blaster fire and then countering with my saber than to rely on the saber alone.

[@BlazeIgnitus]

The reverse grip is HORRIBLE in actual swordplay. Lesser defenses and options for attack than a traditional grip. Take a look at Skallagrim's video on it as he's proficient in actual swordsmanship.

[@bluelick7578]

Actualy, I beleive the reverse grip is not geared toward efficiency, but more like a suprise attack. Not that you wont see the shot coming or anything but more that you cant keep your eyes on it. Like some chinese user of martial art or assassins in general, you'll know they have weapons but they keep it hidden until they strike. Its basicaly because people will keep their eyes on the blade to aim at it and judge the lenght to anticipate the 3d maneovrability of the blade. Without that sight, its a bit harder to go on. Someone used to fighting wont be troubled much, but someone else would be put off a bit. Hell, it'd be a bitch if the blade had multiple lenght choices.

[@Sumguyinavan_]

that's really for any form. part of using the force is attempting to read your opponent's moves by how they affect the force around them to determine a next attack or sense presence

[@kevinstacey763]

"Djem So practitioners are scary as all hell!" Damn right. And Vader... pray for whoever duels the dark lord of the sith.

[@InSanic13]

I would like to see a remake or addendum to this video, now that you've analyzed how Shien can be applied in lightsaber combat in the Vindican vs. Luminara video.

[@jeremysalkeld8742]

I think that the main reason for Shien's alternate Reverse grip is that the default Zone 5/ Zone 6 parry was a drop parry, and since drop parries could also be used for Zone 2/Zone 3 parries, using a reverse grip would make parrying more unified to help with the defensive focus of Shien.

[@ariesstorm9577]

I love Form V, as a kid I always wanted to fight like darth vader lol (even had a plastic darth vader lightsaber that lit up and made sounds). Anyway guys I have 2 questions: what mark of contact does Palpatine use against Kit Fisto and Saesee Tiin? What marks of contact does luke use above the sarlacc pit in ROTJ? This has bugged me for years

[@52superdude]

Form V is my favorite mainly cause its versatile. It can be used for both Light saber combat and using it do use an enemys blaster bolt against them. Plus, its aggressive which I like.

[@Hadgerz]

That juicy old school halo score...

[@WarriorNoldor]

It's my favorite form in stwor it's hard hitting

[@christiansmith1530]

What is that brilliant music you put in these videos and all so very good lesson even though I had all ready learnt form 5 light saber combat by my self I still found this lesson entertaining.

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Shien is just such a good form to practise, it is perfect blast deflection and is actually great for one on one lightsaber combat

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

DanTMusic to be fair as long as its not a djem-so or juyo user you're fine when fighting one on one, parry, strike, rinse and repeat

[@killermooseflie]

DanTMusic shien requires greater focus on where you send a blaster bolt you've deflected so you can't deflect as many oncoming attacks as seresu would be able to

[@EmjiAmsdaughter]

Brute force! Brute force! Brute force! Brute force! Great vid, and series!

[@shipmastershadowofintent5249]

First love the halo music in the background and 2nd iv practiced this lightsaber form for 3 and a half years . I saw Anakin use thus form and I'm physically fit enough and I use this at many reactments and other places . This video breakdown does very good at explaining this so good job

[@DogoHalibar]

I think the reverse grip is to more easily twirl it to deflect repeated blaster bolts like what Galen Marek does in the games if you've maxed out his blaster redirection abilities.

[@GargleMyMayonaze]

Darth Bane was a master of Soresu If you read Dynasty of Evil he was able to use this form in a monsoon to keep any rain from hitting him. On the subject of Rain, it was also this style that Darth Zannah used.

[@mosaicsage3880]

I also like how vader and luke used shien/djem so on each other and many opponents. i must agree that vader has the toughness of the t-800 terminator and he's smart enough to change his tactical advantages due to the fact that he borrows other lightsaber combat elements from the other contemporary forms.

[@markkimera]

One of the best vids out there. thanks bro

[@Hvitur_Ulfur]

I absolutely love the part where you describe vader. it makes me laugh every time. "HE'S A FUCKING TANK! HE WILL FUCK. YOU. UP!"

[@kevinnorwood8782]

I have one question regarding opening stances: Which form does Revan's opening stance belong to? His is one where he has a two-handed grip on his Lightsaber, but is holding the blade parallel to his eyes (typically with the tip of the saber pointed directly at his opponent).

[@Gyasipk]

Is it because of Djem So's lack of mobility? When your footwork is off, you will mostly likely slip, leaving yourself open for your opponent to atttack. Could that be the case?

[@pandoranbias1622]

shien is my favorite form because of its obvious and visibly counterable attacks in theory, until you realize their swinging at you with the power of a truck.

[@ZaddyGohan]

This is by far my favorite lightsaber combat style. Has no MAJOR weaknesses like the rest of the forms

[@piercewise2232]

besides mobility(Djem So) and Shien(difficulty against single opponents)

[@crazyscotsman9327]

+Pierce Wise It's ok if you a little slow you have a brick wall defense, and a strong offense. And honestly I would say Djem So is not all about brute force, but timing, precision and power. There are four main things to consider in terms of stuff like this, Speed, Power, Timing, Precision. And a master of Djem So has three of the components locked down, and of course they can build up speed and mobility through training.

[@piercewise2232]

+Josh Campbell yea. Anakin used Ataru in unison a bit with Djem So. I guess that helps. But as for a pure specialist of Djem So, yea I think they can over come their weakness in mobility via training as you said

[@crazyscotsman9327]

Pierce Wise Which is important if you find a weakness in your style correct it, figure out what you need to do to fix it and become better.

[@elyxr4785]

+dasd282 Its lack of efficiency against single opponenst (Shien) is a pretty major weakness, just ask Kit Fisto. As well as Djem So being very physically demanding due to it's emphasis on constant offense and power strikes, plus the lack of mobility.

[@lucusnorth]

there is a variation of shien which was formed by the sith whch involved long sweeps and reverse grips, it's known style was pracitced by ashokan tano and starkiller/ galen marek

[@lt.branwulfram4794]

Personally, I would base my lightsaber fighting style on Djem So and supplement it with Makashi’s precision and leverage based counters and Ataru’s mobility, deception and acrobatic nature, making it similar to German longsword only more agile.

[@TheDrewStroyer]

I would love to hear your reasoning behind this. Vaapad would be the absolute perfect counter to Vader due to his extreme strength with the Force. I'm not nearly as well versed as you are in the Forms and also, I have yet to read that book (gonna go buy it today), and to be frank...I'm a HUGE Vader fanboy. However I'm really hesitant to give Vader the edge in a fight due to Mace's mastery of several forms and also his Shatterpoint technique.

[@nobleclonetrooper]

Hey, could you elaborate on that? I'm not saying I disagree, I'm only asking as i'm interested in how their forms match up. I mean, MAce has Vaapad, a form that banks on drawing from an opponents dark side power, it's also, arguably one of the most powerful lightsaber forms ever, Yet, Vader diversifies and creates completely unknown forms from mismatching. He is only much more durable, a half metal skeleton will do that. So I'm interested.

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

I am very unsure about which style I'd want to do. I'm pulled between Djem So and Ataru, though I'm kinda leaning to Djem So and I'll explain why. I kinda want to base this on how I approach my Tae Kwan Do fighting style. When I did it, I was a frickin' monster. Nobody screwed with me. When I get a beat on you, there was no escape. I was fast, I could defend and evade, and I attacked like a beast. I was calm while I stormed my opponent. Sometimes I'd hurt my opponent unintentionally. Ideas?

[@deadlylaigrek]

If you actually watch, Starkiller strikes with the reverse grip in one direction, and a traditional grip in the other. This allows for better power and speed in both directions, since it allows you to utilize your wrist and elbow more effectively, allowing you to move the blade faster with more power.

[@SoraMatt]

well from a logic standpoint, the fighting styles have existed for centuries before them, so it all came from somewhere as well as (spoilers) Revan was kept in stasis for 300 years so the Emperor could've realized strengthening his army by using Jedi skills (plus field experience during the war) and it could've been written down. Sidious considers Juyo a Sith style (and it is), so Djem So is probably their "Defensive Form" because of its raw aggression.

[@cultofmalgus1310]

+Jensaari1 what is that opening stance of your guy in all the videos?

[@TheInterceptor12]

I would say the best reason to explain why it is weaker against single opponents is because of the way it utilize its key strength over djem so: mobility. A shien practioner tends to bounce from opponent to opponent, dancing around their aggressors in circular paths and taking the straight line against their enemy only if the opportunity appears. In a one on one saber duel, this tactic is much more difficult to apply, unless the difference between your agility and his is so vast.

[@SoraMatt]

well remember: The Sith were secretive as hell. Even when inside their perspectve in writing they're secretive. When they fell, nearly all their knowledge went with them. You're probably right that there were entire wings that could fill a library based upon combat, but by that same token, Sith hate each other and devise their own philosophies probably even down to combat. So while Juyo and Shii-Cho and the classic Jedi forms are among them, there's probably loads that are hidden or destroyed

[@gavatron1980]

Djem So seems to be one of the most practical styles, especially for real life people who cant use the force

[@Delphinium1000]

As A swordsman I can shed some light on your question regarding the shien reversed grip. In a nutshell the reversed grip grants greater control over your blade, allowing you to do more with less movement. The defensive advantage to this against blaster fire should be obvious. The drawback to the reversed grip is decreased reach and range of motion. Against blaster fire this makes little difference but in blade to blade dueling is a severe disadvantage, hence Djem'So.

[@ArvelDreth]

I prefer Soresu and Djem So along with Teras Kasi, but I could see how Juyo and Shien would be pretty useful as well.

[@SoraMatt]

I'd agree with this, but Juyo is confirmed by Darth Sidious and the Book of Sith as a Sith style. As for Shii-Cho, it's the most basic form of saber combat and naturally Juyo also stems from that. Djem So can also be adapted for a Sith style, so you could say there's only 3 real saber forms that mirror that of the Jedi. Also many Sith Infiltrators were trained Jedi in their own right so it wouldn't be a stretch they'd take their teachings back (it's in the SWTOR holorecords timeline thingy)

[@lanesmith8438]

They probably use the reverse grip because it has a natural flick motion that's used for blaster bolt selection.

[@InfernityZ3r0]

So basically putting, mastering both variants of form V makes you a more rounded lightsaber combatant, but that relies mostly on brute strength and can become predictable if not properly used, or i'm digressing?

[@cebenify]

Here's an idea for why the reverse grip. Shien focuses on blast deflection and this grip is very fast in making blast deflection

[@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs]

If i could use any of these forms..i would definately want to focus on SHien/Djem So..maybe add some switch to Ataru if i knew i had to be a bit faster and a slight usage of either Niman or Makashi.

[@jorbo4044]

Do you think that a jedi would be successful in having a primary mastery ataru and djem so while also being able to use vaaapad? Assume that the jedi is human and in his prime with strong force suppliments to his physicality

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

possibly my favourite form, if i had to give a ranking V > II > VI > VII > IV > III > I

[@lyconxero457]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the D in Djem So silent just like in Django and Djent?

[@ariesstorm9577]

Yes and no. I have the original fightsaber article and it pronounces "sun djem" as "sun gem", so I always call "Djem So" as "gem so". However it's never been verbally spoken anywhere to my knowledge so whether anyone pronounces the letter D is entirely up to the individual. :-)

[@filipinogopnik4161]

+Darth Marder i agree that it is called as what you always did, gem so

[@MrAmericanMapper]

Was that friend Antoine Bandele?

[@PhantomRaider100]

Quick question on one of your terms. When you said that when applying the Djem So variant of Shien would make your footwork "a little slow", how slow are we talking about?

[@PhantomRaider100]

Oh, I didn't know that, thank you for the knowledge kind stranger! :) Is there anyway I can contact you personally?

[@99thJediWarrior]

Well I suppose if you look at the final duel with Anakin Skywalker vs. Count Dooku, you'll probably see that Anakin's feet either moved slowly or he stood in one spot. In the final seconds of the duel, Anakin didn't really move when Dooku started dancing around him until he managed to literally disarm Dooku. Another example would be Darth Vader. If you notice how he walks and when he's in battle, he's almost like an unmovable rock. Vader doesn't need to have fast feet to be competent in a lightsaber duel. Instead of trying to be fast like his former Jedi self in a clunky dark suit of armor, Vader works with it in order to have more momentum and power with his Djem So strikes.

[@FallenArtistProd]

This may seem bad of me but I would like to ask. Am I the only person who believes that star killer or Galen Marek since he is from a game. I felt weird when he came into the universe even though I love the force unleashed games. I just feel like he shouldn't really be a part of the universe.

[@derrickberlin]

If I remember the mythos correctly… the robotic limbs are made out of some sort of light weight metal of some sort. In 1 book that I read… it was described as being like fiber optic cable. I know that there is something there that allows the person to feel through the limb. So there is a sensation of touch.

[@yu5uck]

That picture at 5:42 is awesome. Truly terrifying its like looking at a living corpse of pure evil, anger, aggression and pain.

[@LeftofCenter5150]

Vader is by far and always has been my favorite sith lord.. there so many layers to him

[@erusean8492]

+SuPah Man Shien is geared towards blast deflection and is bad for dueling, while djem so is geared for strong attacks with a good defense. Luke uses soresu, ataru, and DJEM SO, because his soresu already gifts him with awesome blast redirection and deflection

[@crazygab50]

there actually was a japanese sword designed to be wield with a reverse grip, and it was effective, for other swords it is less efective but can be useful in some circustances when using a single edged sword

[@JohnnyTsunami55]

Dear jensaarai. I was curious what form would be a good counter against djem so? I would think ataru since ataru seems more footwork to it ,but i was curious on your opinion

[@Jakeythesnakey666]

Great vid jensaarai this is the style I would like to learn if I was a jedi

[@BeastlyHaxorz]

what comic are the images at 5:50 where vader's out of his suit from?

[@jerrymazzola6017]

Sorry about leaving this comment twice, but I feel that it should be placed here. I have a question: can you use Form V: Shien/Djem So without being physically imposing? I know of several duelists, Ahsoka Tano, Luke Skywalker, Starkiller, Plo Koon, and Aayla Secura, who are not very physically powerful, yet still use Form V.

[@Jedidune]

great video just wondering how shien is weak against single opponents I understand its defense is mostly blast deflection maneuvers not parrys or blocks and its offense consists of power attacks but is its defense weak against single opponents or just melee combat?

[@Davidhenry1210]

The reason it's considered the "best" form is because it has no prime weaknesses. All it's down sides can pretty much be overcome with training, even people who are not very strong can train to still use the form to it's fullest. Bad footwork? well train that away to. This would pretty much be the form best to specialize in.

[@elyxr4785]

+David Henry Djem So's lack of mobility is an extreme weakness that can't be overcome with training. Plus while one can increase their strength through the force and training it still is too physically demanding for a prolonged fight. At best Djem So is good for short chaotic bursts against opponennts of average- moderate and speed. A skilled Ataru, Juyo, or Vaapad, user would cause a lot of problems for a Djem So practitioner. Even Makashi user could counter a Djem So user if they were fast enough to avoid the power strikes.

[@Davidhenry1210]

+Elyxr The lack of mobility is due to most users of the form putting great power into their strikes. This can be overcome simply by training with a more fast paced style or by just not swinging as hard. You do not have to be a complete brute to use the form to its highest levels. Just look at Anakin yes he was a strong guy but he speed fenced with Count Dooku. The style (Alone) has weakness but all can be overcome with training. What does it have going against it, That depends, depends on what? You.

[@dattibboy]

the vader pic at 5:41 where is that from ?

[@Imperius1772]

Diversity in combining all the forms is the key to victory in any battle.

[@dtumpal6671]

Thanks for explaining!

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

True that. So probably master Soresu, Ataru, and Djem So and maybe some Shien and Makashi for some more flavor, and obviously expirience in Shii-Cho. Sounds like a good base for getting to Juyo, yes? Though, now that you say that I'm like a Juyo practitioner, I might be BA like Windu and go with Vaapad. Just saying.

[@weldinsson]

a reverse grip allows the blade to cover more of the body with less movement..

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

I find it more useful against blasters in exchange for tougher time against sabers (kudos to Ashoka for pulling it off anyway). And is less in the way when using two hands for Force powers

[@Mrshadowman460]

+John Peacekeeper you can easily make it useful for lightsaber combat by switching to a normal grip you can throw off your opponent

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

mr. fakename Exactly. It's fun when you do that. Best part about Shien btw is it's a one-handed style, while Djem-So is two-handed, meaning you're less restricted in movement and can dual wield

[@piercewise2232]

+John Peacekeeper but in a fight with a skilled force user or power attacker its not wise to use dual wielding unless you have the strength to block such vicious attacks. But yes I don't see why Form V masters or specialists just switch between shien when using one hand and for two hand use djem so. I feel like they flow with each other and it keeps your enemies off guard with power attacks

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

I believe Luke made use of both Shien and Djem So while Anakin focused primarily on the latter until he got put in the suit, and then made more use of Soresu with his Djem So due to his restrictions

[@TheNorthie]

So do you learn both at the same time and decide which one is better? Or choose one and only one to learn?

[@teleportaat]

Two schools of similar style.

[@piercewise2232]

most people prefer either style like how someone prefers their right or left hand. of course you can practice both but they are geared from different situations of combat. Like Asokha learned shien and later learned a "bit" of Djem So from anakin. Personally I would learn Shien first for the reverse grip training and then focus on Djem So to make a one handed reverse grip strength oriented style.... unorthodox lol. The rest of my training would go into mostly Niman my priorities would be as such Djem So Shien Niman

[@2TCHOLMES]

Thank you. By the way, excellent reviews of all seven combat moves.

[@pivotchampion]

Would you consider Darth Malgus as a user of Djem So? It looks like that he's highly efficient at countering as well as using power oriented strikes, but I'm not entirely sure what to label his style.

[@Alexzander1989]

Just how effective/practical is it to use Shien in saber combat? Shien is based on Soresu and both are best suited for blast deflection, but Soresu is also effective in blade to blade combat. Does this hold true for Shien or is it in a duelist's best interest to just use Djem So or another form?

[@2TCHOLMES]

6:20 Indeed. Darth Vader was still capable of fighting even after his armour was badly damaged, as proven in the alternate ending of TFU. His major weakness was Force Lightning. 5:48 Where are these panels from?

[@moscanaveia]

The movies are what counts. Lucas' description of Vader's and Obi-wan's final duel in Ep IV stated that it was essentially the fight between two old men. So, with all his experience, Vader would still be highly debilitated by age and his prosthetics. So the comics just play on Vader fanboyism, and take away the fact he is not supposed to be as powerful as depicted because he was chopped up on Mustafar.

[@gustavramirez2891]

My favorite by far!! xD

[@ariesstorm9577]

Which variation do people prefer? Shien or Djem So? My own preference of the two is Djem So.

[@roytommy9625]

shien

[@derrickberlin]

In my rehab trying to get back to normal, I’ve met a lot of guys that served overseas. 1 thing that blows my mind is it doesn’t matter if you lost a foot, an arm, or a leg, they will give you a artificial limb, slap a weapon in your hand, & expect you to continue your tour. My question to you is if someone is missing body parts… are they not as able as someone that is fully equipped?

[@CaptainSianica]

Question, doesn't Shien/D'Jem So hamper your mobility in a fight?

[@aguteempasil]

loved the vader commentary on this one!

[@derrickberlin]

In my grandfather’s day… they only allowed you to serve 2 tours. Because of psychological reasons. But now there are some people that are expected to serve 8 or more tours. I don’t know about you, but I have a lot of respect for these guys that are missing a part of their leg, & are expected to carry the same weight load & perform on the same level as someone who isn’t blown apart yet.

[@tannern6926]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between Shien and Djem So? Also, which variant does Luke Skywalker use?

[@GargleMyMayonaze]

thats a good point and one I hadn't considered. Obviously Fallen Jedi like Exar Kun and Darth Revan would be familiar with Jedi styles, but a warrior such as Malgus who grew up in the Sith Empire wouldn't know them. I'm sort of disappointed the Book of Sith didn't go into more detail on Sith fighting styles, all we got was two pages from Darth Bane about Djem So and Juyo/Vaapad. Someone should do a book devoted to lightsaber in the Sith Empire...Maybe you??

[@doosuburoosu3319]

pretty cool. also i changed my fighting style. i would combine Soresu with Juyo. i thought about it, and i thought it would make sense to be very defensive but when u see the opening go psychotic on their asses. it would also be very unpredictable.

[@Vazkiel]

@Jensaarai1 - Excellent video. I myself prefer Form: V over the other forms, with a focus on the Djem So variant. And thank you for the laughs when you talked about Darth Vader being the poster boy. "He is a fucking tank!" Got me laughing out loud. Thank you for another great video.

[@Simbi88]

Isn't the d in djem so silent. it sounds ridiculous said de djem so. i think you must have this one wrong mate. but I might be wrong

[@InfernityZ3r0]

I'm personally not a big fan of the reverse grip or Forms IV and V for that matter, I'm more inclined towards Forms II & III, and recentlñy Form VII. But I understand the concept behind their creation and why they are popular, both complement a rather lacking Soresu and can be used for prolongued duels save, Ataru that has a mobility that Form V wishes it had.

[@lightrunner8169]

Ok I'd use djem so. Mainly because I'm aggressive as hell. In a duel BRUTE FORCE is what I usually use.

[@teleportaat]

You sure must engage in a lot of stick fights huh

[@lightrunner8169]

Lightsaber toys

[@lightrunner8169]

Not much of an acrobat. Ataru uses lots of acrobatics.

[@MPPRODUCTIONSger]

Maybe you should try Juyo/Vapaad

[@lightrunner8169]

A little too aggressive for my taste

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

I agree that Vader is tough, and cunning, but to say that "Galen Marek only won because of superior force powers" seems like a cop out. Having played Force Unleashed 1 & 2 myself most of the time when Galen beats Vader its because he out Djem So's the Djem So Master! (or Shien's him to death, considering Galen's reverse grip) Galen seems to use the Shien Power, mixed with Djem So counters and the odd Ataru spin thrown in. I'd actually love you to do a file ON HIM, if you wouldn't mind?

[@2TCHOLMES]

How do you know that Djem So is the most talked about style?

[@GargleMyMayonaze]

What style does Malgus use? Is it Djem So?

[@shinobisauren]

What would the advantage to using Galen's reversed grip form be? I know reversed grip is used sometimes with shorter blades, but with a full sized sword/lightsaber, it seems less practical than the orthdox forms. The only advantage I see is your opponent being less trained in fighting unusual stances, such as with Southpaw fighters in hand-to-hand combat.

[@derrickberlin]

Mace was robotic in his own way in regards to dealing with a situation & thinking it through. It’s like with the Red Baron. Everyone knows that he was a fighter ace, but no 1 remembers who shot him down. So who was the better fighter pilot? Kind of the same thing here with Vader & Mace. Like Ash said in Army of Darkness… “The good… the bad… I am with the gun.’

[@gaddock3713]

from what i gather due to this video and my own research is shien is dexterity based...djem so is strength based....shien is basically a soresu-makashi variation(though not a fleshed out as makashi)....djem so is soresu shii cho possibly juyo(i doubt it though) shien is more mobile and scrappy.....while as youve said djem so is basically a tank build in heavy plate armor...i prefer shien over djem so(ive allways been a fan of dexerity based builds than strength cause im short and skinny and quick on my toes(that being said i think ataru is too much even for me

[@quangtrungbui675]

maybe the first thing you should think in your imaginary Jedi progression is neglect form V completely and move your career to something else. Form V is for the outfield agents who often travels far and wide to the dangerous and hostile places, for Jedi guardians. You can be a freaking excellent doctor, remember the Force is a powerful tool for medication. But you also should not separate Shien and Djem So so exclusively since they are two sides of form V, they work in sync together, and Jedi guardians have to develop at various aspects to be a good form V stylist, precision, strength, speed, dexterity, agility, endurance, they have to develop everything without neglecting any. And from my experience as I shared your shoes at the time of your comment, being short and skinny can somehow be a blessing for you when you even mentioned your vigor. Being skinny means you are very sensitive to strength training, and even if you just lift the weights at moderate intensity and you just focus purely on technique, your strength is still going to fly over the roof. And being short means your exercises can be more varied than the bigger and taller dudes with similar experience levels. You are blessed with calisthenics and gymnastics my friend, you can have your strength develop in a more broad and varied manner when you have reached the level of basic strength and endurance to practice more complex moves. And you don't need form V much, cycling through forms I, II, III, IV and refining your Force abilities can make you great already. In fact, mixing and matching the four previous forms can be somewhat a more sketchy and less standardized version of form V, making your opponents feel uncomfortable if they haven't known how to deal with such technique. Hope I helped you open something up.

[@2TCHOLMES]

Do you think Vader could give Mace Windu a run for his money? I mean, Mace Windu does have Vaapad, which would be quite formidable against Vader's Djem So.

[@wulfricwolfblood3333]

What music did you use to make this awesome video?

[@loganthekrogan2182]

This has to be the best Lightsaber form on it's own. So many strength's and very little weakness. I hope to combine this form with Makashi one day.

[@AnimePhantom1]

you jusy like it cuz its brute force krogen

[@loganthekrogan2182]

If that were the case my form would be juyo, simply relying on my secondary and tertiary organs to absorb the damage. But I appreciate someone who knows what a krogan is.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Why? You have guns that Lightsabers can't bounce back! Just use a lot of Claymores and blow the fucking Jedi away. XD Mandalorians-Krogan Alliance is my dream utopia, by the way.

[@loganthekrogan2182]

Bullets or "Slugthrowers" can be used against efficiently, but their not full proof. A jedi can use telekinesis or tutaminis to stop the projectiles. These tactics are not the best for dealing with master swordsman.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Logan Stair True, but I'm talking about first contact, shooting them all by surprise. They will take a while to adapt. Also, don't Mass Effect guns actually shoot "highly accelerated molten lava slugs"? That does some mean damage, and not all Jedi have Darth Vader or Galen Marek-levels of Telekinesis.

[@aidanhearn4210]

Can the Djem So, be partnered successfully with Jar'kai?

[@99thJediWarrior]

Aidan Hearn Only is you have Malgus's strength

[@nicholaspeterman9111]

So, Shien and Djem So would have very different move-sets? I know Shien is designed to fight blasters and Djem SO focuses on the blade, but they are based on the same principle. Would Shien (Anakin used it against Dooku in Attack of the Clones) have the same power attacks as Djem So or would it not have any moves/sequences designed for blade to blade combat?

[@nicholaspeterman9111]

Anakin Skywalker Thanks, that makes sense. Now if I can only find a moveset for Niman. So many Force Combos there.

[@2TCHOLMES]

1:58 Maybe not, but it's cool. Ahsoka Tano and Galen Marek use it well. And would you believe it, they have the same master!

[@deadlylaigrek]

Mastering both Soresu and Shien would be pointlessly redundant. Maybe Soresu and Djem So, but Shien is basically a watered down version of Soresu with some attacks thrown in.