Description of Jar'Kai Lightsaber Combat

I return to Lightsaber Combat with this video about the ancient style of dual-blade fencing, the style that served as the basis for Niman.

[@IdiocyShow]

Jar'kai is my favorite style of fighting. After about 2/3 years of training in actual dual blade combat, I started studying Jar'kai about a year to a year and a half ago. I love it!

[@moody-Bayonetta]

Could you post a video of your skills?

[@ariesstorm9577]

I think Jar'Kai can be applied to any of the seven forms but only after one has achieved a high level of skill in that particular style. Kit Fisto: Form I Asajj Ventress: Form II Obi-Wan Kenobi: Form III Ahsoka Tano: Form IV Darth Malgus: Form V Darth Krayt: Form VI Darth Sidious: Form VII this is just an example of who I think are capable Jar'Kai duellists

[@Yeet-yj9lw]

When Obi-wan uses dual blades he actually seems to go back to his Ataru training. If you watch his skirmish against Maul and Oppress he is constantly jumping around at high speeds, not setting up a defense, as Maul and Oppress combined could break Kenobi's defense quickly. For Soresu the only good example I can think of is actually General Grievous. His spinning of his blades can create a powerful defense to push his enemies back, in both the old and new Clone Wars cartoons. Palpatine uses a combination of all forms, so for Ju-Yo I would say Maul.

[@andrewsowl8696]

Form 3 = Darth Zannah

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

@@andrewsowl8696 Darth Zannah never used two separate lightsabers, she only ever used the saberstaff

[@Zac-cw1zz]

My little brother is a master of Jar'Kai and and he can seriously kick ass. He's even come close on ONE occasion of wounding moi severely. However, my knowledge of Soresu and esp. Makashi enables me to completely outclass him almost every time. I love my life!

[@chrismc410]

I think there should be 10 forms of Lightsaber Combat. I feel Shien, Djem So, Jar'kai and Vapaad are so distinctly different from their parent forms, they should be forms in their own right rather than extensions of Forms V, VI and VII respectively

[@angelmodderduncan1755]

Really wen you count all the Sith variants of the different forms you end up with a lot more. So you would have a total 14-16 I think? Not sure about the Sith Side, I just know they have there own unique variants.

[@wesleytimmer4715]

Jar Kai is my favorite fighting style in star wars.

[@deadlylaigrek]

That's funny, since I devoured every single word of every single lightsaber article multiple times. And now I'm watching you explain it again!

[@MasterRancisis]

and again, you manage to counter my arguments with superior star wars knowledge. I take off my hat to you sir.

[@slothburnswhenipee]

Just started watching your videos and now subscribed. Good work, I look forward to more.

[@kaljathpanthermage3711]

This Lightsaber form is my true favorite skill!

[@Wright805]

I'd say that was more a case of Kas'im being so highly skilled that he was able to overcome the style's inherent weakness, same with Dooku overcoming Makashi's usual weakness to multiple foes.

[@AndyHoward]

Thought I recognized the music. Good choice. MUADIB!

[@RotaFury]

you know i only Discovered Jar'Kai a short while ago be for this video and i pretty much instantly fell in love with it. i am not sure why but i am a very big fan of this stile.

[@romancapulus5577]

Firstly, you have no power, unless you're this guy (Pong Krell) That made me giggle

[@agent008chico]

I think that a good example of the application of Jar Kai is when using double swords during Wushu.

[@mgvillanmp478]

Very cool I like this

[@julianprice8518]

so mixing jar'kai with ataru fixes the problems a lot of the problems except for the energy draining. since ataru lacks alot of defence the extra lightsaber helps provide more, and ataru is bad for fighting multiple people and jarkai also makes up for that. of course theres stll problems but i love these two together

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

Only you wind up with the weakness of not being able to use your Force powers in any way outside of physical augmentation

[@Junglehunter677]

galen marek (starkiller) is the true poster boy for jar'kai

[@teleportaat]

no

[@Almighty_Mage]

+dynastywarrior46 asajj ventress > galen marek

[@Junglehunter677]

+Sannin86 ventress could never defeat vader or the emperor. galen matched the emperor after an intense battle with vader.

[@teleportaat]

dynastywarrior46 not with jar'kai

[@Almighty_Mage]

Even if galen is stronger ventress is a better character. Plus he doesn't use jar'kai as well as she does

[@Ravengodj]

I love the dune music at the end.

[@IvanKroloCroGeek0424]

I would love to see some stuff on the light saber crystals, like which ones are the best and what are their attributes, its a big thing to do but it would still be cool.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Using things like a "cross block" while looking cool, defeats the advantage of using two blades because now you are letting the opponents single blade, hold up BOTH of yours, defeating the purpose of you carrying two (while you have the disadvantage of maneuverability, because a single blade with two hands will always be more maneuverable). It's the same thing with a "dual attack" when you have both blades close together when striking. This allows again, a single blade to stop BOTH. You want to use one blade to parry/evade, or both blades to attack different areas so they both can't be blocked. The strength of any technique is knowing it's weakness and avoiding it. Carrying your weakness into battle is a sure way to get yourself killed. Btw, I think Jar Kai is the best form (or one of them). I'm not hating on the form, I just think it needs to be practical.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

I will also add, what people call "POWER" attacks or "strength" is inaccurate. It is always and I repeat, always better to use finesse than to be a brute. I've taken some fencing and I can tell you the guys who put a ton of force (no pun intended) into their attacks were prone to 1. missing 2. getting parried. 3. slow to recover and all three of those are punishable with a reposte (basically a counter attack). You need speed/quick movements. Hard moves aren't practical and advanced users do not need such. Anakin won against Ventress because 1. He's simply a stronger character overall in force etc. 2. She was laying on her back nowhere to go 3. she actually didn't get hit she fell because the foundation beneath her broke out. So the "brute strength" argument isn't viable because one could simply 1. Dodge 2. guide the blade to miss (you don't always have to completely stop an attack, it takes less effort to redirect their energy else where. Check out wing chun. This principle always works. It's always better to redirect because you can control where their blade is. PLUS if you have two blades, one of theirs is caught up and your other can strike! Yikes guys!

[@UTU1O]

My preferred stance in Jar'Kai lightsaber combat is my own variation of the Dual Makashi stance mentioned in the video; except that you start in the traditional one and raise your arms into the same angle that Sidious has them in during the start of his duel against Maul and Savage in the Clone Wars' season V.

[@lote1234567891011]

jensaari1 is it posibletto mix lightsaber combat styles together or alternate while in combat?

[@kevinnorwood8782]

Jensaarai1, I have a question about two Jedi in particular: What would you say is the primary fighting style of Darth Revan and Exar Kun? I especially want to know about Exar Kun in your opinion, because a lot of top lightsaber duelist lists I've seen always place him very high, if not number 1.

[@42ndguardian]

Exar Kun was one of if not the quintessential master of form VI, albeit a ridiculously offensive variation

[@fightingfalcon777]

Don't know about Vader and Dooku, but he was brutal with Maul. one part of his training was Sidious abandoning him on an island with assassin droids programmed to kill him, only to have Sidious appear, claim he failed and had a new apprentice, causing Maul to attack him and wanting to murder him. When he lost, Sidioushad been testing Maul, there was no other apprentice, and Maul passed the test by WANTING to kill Sidious, showing his dedication to the Sith and the Grand Plan

[@TheChaoscard]

Can u do Kol Skywalker vs Darth Wyyrlok Or Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt for your next versus videos?

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

Can you make a lightsaber video that fleshes out Trispzest? I would but I don't even know how to make video at all, and my own Star Wars material is limited

[@diggerthecornflake]

If there is a form for duel-blades, is there a form for double-bladed lightsaders? Or would that be Niman as well since that is what Exar Kun masted?

[@derrickberlin]

Heck… don’t forget Boc from JK! He was pretty bad ass! 1st Dark Jedi/Sith ever to use this form that I can recall.

[@ariesstorm9577]

A thought just occurred to me while watching a collaboration versus video presented by jensaarai1 and Antoine Bandele (Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Malgus). What if, when using Jar'Kai, you use one blade purely for defensive Soresu and the other for purely offensive Ataru?

[@That0therG]

+Darth “Niman” Arkeskou how would that work? Ataru is a form based on movement, where soresu is based on stonewalling...you can't move AND be always on the move at the same time...

[@ariesstorm9577]

+GraemexIrwinator haha I guess I didn't think about that

[@That0therG]

if you mean the sword techniques, then I can understand where you're coming from on that front. but it still wouldn't work, cuz you have Soresu's tight, energy efficient beadwork (normally done with two hands) vs. ataru's flamboyant bladework (from what I see is normally one handed, but can be two). either way, unless you have more than one hand I really don't think it would work. Interesting idea tho

[@ariesstorm9577]

+GraemexIrwinator for some reason I might have been thinking of wing chun parrying and striking simultaneously (I've never practiced this art, only read about it). Alternatively, how about Djem So with dual blades? Could someone who focuses on physical strength like a body builder be effective at Djem So/Jar'Kai?

[@That0therG]

I don't know dude, I practiced with a Bo (i.e I'd probably have a saber staff. though i have had experience wielding two swords (just like jar'kai) I always used my second blade sooley for defense. unless you have equal strength in both arms (ambidextrous) then using Djem So would be difficult, but not impossible. personally if I had to have two different styles I'd rather have Shii-Cho/Makashi and Soresu (but being a dancer may make me more akin to ataru movements)

[@Crouza]

I am curious about 1 thing, and that is how do you feel about the way the clone wars depicted lightsaber combat?

[@bigcjuly]

Djem so and vaapad plus ataru and soresu are my favorite.

[@LunaticReason]

I'm curious what style would be suited for a light-saber pike/spear? I'm trying to develop my own skills and I wanted to focus on the idea of range and a balance of offense as defense. Not necessarily seeking to attack but using that extra distance to increase my defensive attacks.

[@chadelliott5568]

Well it does sort of sound like Form V in a way, sort of like Shien or at least a variant of it.

[@loringwhite9805]

Niman, as it covers all the bases, and doesn't have any weaknesses(though no strengths either)

[@LunaticReason]

Neon Flash Interesting that is exactly what almost every jedi form quiz tells me that I would use.

[@pablerarav9016]

I would have to disagree with Niman. Or rather, Niman is a bit of a lazy option- it's neither good nor bad for anything. A lightsaber pike could potentially be used for most saber forms. As a saber-pike is not suited for confined spaces, I'd say Ataru is the best bet. All that leaping around would compliment the extended reach of a pike. One would certainly need to be skilled with the force to augment the fatiguing moves. I'd avoid Makashi- the pike lacks the ability for overly precise bladework. For defence it may be necessary to fall back on Soresu. And some knowledge of Juyo would help, since aggressive attacks compliment well with the acrobatic of Ataru. Side note- putting a metallic blade or spike at the bottom end of the pike would add some attacking force, without the added worry of a second lightsaber blade.

[@kevinsanchez4808]

I say that Ataru would be a good choice. But if you've ever seen Avatar The Last Airbender, then you get an idea on how to use it: like avatar Aang. Spinning around, lots of jumps and flips.

[@GurmanKlar]

Are you finished the Anakin Skywalker vs Sora Bulq verses video yet. Because when is it coming out.

[@SpaceMonke99]

Start adding what other characters you can to your duel series something about Darth Malak would be cool that is if you have sufficient info on him to compare him to other possible opponents. Darth Malak vs Darth Maul would be one i would most certainly watch to the end

[@tommyg506]

What does galen marik use? I mean he chains force attacks uses dual blades but i am not sure

[@fightingfalcon777]

I don't know. I don't know much about his training of Dooku and Vader, given that they already had some training with the Force. But with Maul, he raised him from birth basically as a killing machine. At one point in his training, he abandoned Maul on an island with assassin droids programmed to kill him, then Sidious appeared to him, said he failed and had a new apprentice, making Maul attack and want to kill him, only to reveal there was no other apprentice and that the test was to make Maul

[@MasterRancisis]

I think that stance that you said was similar to soresu probably was the soresu stance, being as it was obi-wan doing it, and he doesen't usually have a second weapon

[@meemstar2333]

what do you recomend for a sith

[@TyranoRexProductions]

Jensaarai, here are some ideas i would really like you to put in a video: saberstaff usage in combat a vs video with general greivous in it a vs video with mace windu in it

[@revanmasters6687]

could you do an episode on Teräs Käsi?

[@Guillotine-Chan]

would you ever consider talking about other forms of star wars martial arts

[@OFJehutyV2]

So could Jar'Kai be used in any style or was it pretty much it's own style? For example, could a Jedi/Sith use Makashi with dual blades, long sword and short sword/dagger.

[@traitora.i.]

Can you do the Trakata and Sokan

[@clitniblr36]

Just out of curiosity why did you decide to use soundtracks from the movie Dune for Star Wars?

[@anthonychoi2421]

He sure is very correct when he says that Jar'kai users often rely too much on their weapons and forget the force, like when Ventress dueled Count Dooku. He totally beat her up with sith lighting. But using Jar'kai makes you vulnerable to being very sloppy, swinging your blades around wildly. Just like master Luminara said to Ventress, "You fighting style is sloppy... undefined," although she could recognize Dooku's fighting style. Oh and a twin strike is useless against creatures like Yoda, as demonstrated in Episode 1 of star wars the clone wars.

[@GargleMyMayonaze]

Awesome Dune soundtrack I've been watching this video for weeks without realising what it's from. It's the original movie right, the one with Sting

[@HaruteSoran]

Starkiller in the first game used mostly shii-cho, ataru and possibly juyo/niman but would his second one still be considered jar kai even though his attacks were extremely force based?

[@ironinquisitor3656]

he used shien, juyo and soresu.

[@wesleypierre9484]

why didnt you talk about Kas'im

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

I would think that using two blades would double your offensive capabilities, at the expense of halving your defensive capabilities, simply because your strength is split between the blades. Or am I reading a bit too much into that?

[@Yamcharotto]

I think of as Jarkai is Makashii with two sabers. The key is to overwhelm/out-manuveur your opponent with a constant barage of attacks. So in my opinion, if you are using jarkai against a saber wielding opponent you should seldom if ever have to defend.

[@SuperWindsage]

a weakness that has been shown also is they have no free hands this has allowed people countlesly to just grab their hands and wail on them after wards also I imagine they would have a weakness with ataru Jarkai users have to be QUICK so enclosed space where they cant whirlwind might be a issue wonder how good the defence is 2 lightsaber = more to defend with but wont be use to puting that much strength into it so endurance might be an issue. they cant get pinned down in a fight or their dead

[@MrBracey100]

I rather miss the links that usually follow these videos.

[@joshuatorres6181]

Hey Jensaarai, why don't you make a video on Lightwhip combat with its poster user.

[@faketeeth6]

Good Music

[@tuanvandersluis4433]

can two defrint weapons all be jar'kai?

[@christiannguyen1266]

To be honest, I like jar'kai dual blade fencing because of it's u predictability and options in battle. However, this won't weaken my skills when I use a single one like Ashoka tano and ventress

[@Weeeilll88]

Source? Where did he get this information? Or did he just make all this up?

[@animefan1986okay]

I would love to see a Pong Krell vs vs General Grievous video. :D I really hoped, that those two would fight each other, but no. :( Plus, I wouldn't mind a viedo about the lightsaberstaff usage in lightsaber combat. :) By the way, Jar'Kai rules! :D

[@MarkSamurai5]

Wouldn't Jar'Kai be also based off Niten Ichi-Ryu and Escrima?

[@MrAmericanMapper]

400th like!

[@LeviathanVZ]

I've been wondering for a long time and I'm pretty sure I'm right but I don't believe the newest clone wars TV series is canon instead I believe the one from around the time of Episode 3's release is the more so canon. Am I correct?

[@brandontitus7199]

Technically they are both considered T-Canon or Television canon only overridden by G-Canon or basically anything George Lucas said. Although if the question is really which is more accurate, generally the older series was less contradictory as the newer one was just like "eh we do what we want"

[@LeviathanVZ]

Brandon Titus But didn't Lucas himself say the new one is canon?

[@benlewis1087]

New: Cannon Old: Non-cannon/legends

[@nathanmitchell5550]

If I were a Jedi/Sith, I would practice Jar'Kai with an emphasis on Makashi, Ataru and Shien with the intent to outmanoeuvre opponents and finish them quickly with precise attacks from unpredictable angles. I don't particularly see defence as an issue despite the apparent weakness to power attacks because I would rather deflect and/or evade them than meet them head on. This strategy will serve me well both in a 1-vs-1 duel and against multiple opponents.

[@justinchew1173]

dont forget to add juyo

[@Dragonflyjones67]

jar kai does have it weaknesses. Unless your facing multiple opponents. That's when it comes in handy.

[@Racald]

My own response to a form like this is usually: "If you can't handle 1 saber, why use 2?"

[@zyggybaranowski6852]

The best reason for that is simple:. Psychological warfare. More blades often intimidate opponents, and create the illusion that you are 2 times as skilled. Win the fight before it's fought, scare your opponent into making a mistake they otherwise would not make. A risky strategy, but potentially worth it against unseasoned opponents.

[@starwarsrebelain9020]

I love this form it awesome don't you so many options with two blade especially pending how you use and what type form you use it great form not best but definitely up there

[@darthnox72]

Niman is soooooo underated

[@Myth_or_Mystery76]

I have the whole page under my favorites. lol

[@markhayes4184]

i would youse jarkai mixed with ataru and juyo

[@SuperWindsage]

Another thing is they really cant attack from the inside that much generally outside more you have two hands each with a blade while with one blade both hands would mean their saber is inside the body better protecting your body those with two blades cant they can do the cross angles and if enough room can do the whirlwind to protect from that but that means they have to keep combat with them on the offensive has to be Fast to get the whirlwind going Momentum and precison are the Bigest factors!

[@savagenature1]

What does that have to do with anything?

[@TheJoker10259]

The really mean/rude Jedi general in the clone wars, he's the same species as dexter jester and has two double blades lightsabers

[@spikegilfer1997]

How can Jar'Kai have a weakness regarding precision when Makashi's primary benefit is precision and it generally employs a one-handed grip?

[@elyxr4785]

Even though makashi practitioners do often use only one hand makashi is still more precise due to the fact that they can focus all their energy into one blade. Plus the footwork is better and it relies heavily on counter striking, being able to find openings in an oponents guard, and quickly defeating them with the least amount of effort. Jar kai practitionors also tend to become too dependent on having two lightsabers. As such, if they lose one their offensive and defensive ablilities are greatly restricted.

[@prestonthornton2125]

Nevermind its a fan film but please still watch it

[@TurboManTom]

Pre-vader Anakin vs Satele Shan?

[@FollowTRAX]

Why not a lightsaber gauntlet, like a pata or a design like vega's claw from street fighter

[@robrockstar9648]

+bigchun95 it be very hard to protect your back with such a weapon and you would need to either sacrifice reach fro range of motion or range of motion for reach.

[@razoreye001]

why not a video on Trakata, the ability to exploit the lightsaber's ability to be turned on and off to confuse the opponent?

[@robrockstar9648]

+razoreye001 its less of a martial art and more of a tactic.

[@OTGGaming0594]

I think Asajj Ventress vs Asoka Tano (rebels) that would be interesting.

[@kennyb1588]

asajji is dead sadly

[@TalonBlades]

Nice use of the Dune soundtrack......

[@Destroyer83]

Note: I don't see why why you would need much brute strength with a weapon that can cut through almost anything. That's why I would prefer Jar'Kai fencing, so that you can get an almost guaranteed hit, And for lightsabers, a hit either is majorly crippling or means death. Note:Now that I think about it...Grievous vs Darth Traya and/or Pong Krell...Watch the sabers FLY! Note after watching example: Wow, a Jar'Kai master can rotate their entire torso at incredible speeds essentially turning them into a lightsaber Buzzsaw (an idea I have entertained myself with telekinetically controlling a saber staff) But now that you think about it...it's kind of disturbing.

[@avatar_zach481]

huh duh because a lightsaber cant cut threw another lightsaber, overwhelm the user ie. Jedi knight Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader (Episode VI)

[@Destroyer83]

So...you HOPE they block your strike...instead of trying to outmaneuver them to get in a killing blow...It kind of reminds me of the Juyo strike, the assured strike, trading strength for an...assured hit. and with the previous fact that the lightsaber pretty much slices anything...yeah...

[@avatar_zach481]

u have a better chance of opening up a killing blow if u overwhelm them ie Anakin vs Dooku from ROTS

[@Destroyer83]

ok, agreed, and that's what I like about Jar'kai (Hey, back on topic!) is that you can hold off our opponent's saber and be able to inflict a killing blow because of it. That's why Jar'kai is my favorite lightsaber style.

[@GargleMyMayonaze]

I've studied HEMA for many years and you certainly CAN wield a sword with power single handed. Viking and Saxon styles like I practise use a shield and sworn and the swords can be swung with quite a bit of force, obviously not as much as a two handed stroke, and I Imagine a lightsaber bade wouldn't have any weight to it, but infinitly better cutting ability

[@Allhailmegatron821]

Sidious didn't seem to have Problems with strength or power when he used it.

[@romancapulus5577]

I tried practicing this form after I got my new lightsabers from ultrasabers.com... admitedly, its not really easy, so... I just stick with my single blade or saberstaff when I'm training

[@raikagekamikaze]

💜💙👍

[@k.a.r.r.7460]

💜💙💜💙💜💙

[@deadlylaigrek]

Mixing lightsaber styles was fairly common among the Jedi, and they are referred to as hybrid styles. They tend to be frowned upon by purists, and often lose effectiveness. There's a reason that most Jedi focused on the seven classical forms, and that's because (apart from Juyo) they were complete and didn't require the time and patience to devise your own system. A lot of the tactics and moves are incompatible with each other. That being said, Vader did it very effectively.

[@prestonthornton2125]

Darth Maul does use Dual blades in the early years of his apprenticeship his saberstaff isn't actually a saberstaff, there paired lightsabers, this is shown in a short movie called Star Wars - Contract of Evil, I encourage you watch it

[@ironinquisitor3656]

fan films are not considered canon by Lucasfilm.

[@nicholassims5366]

pong krell vs starkiller clone please do that

[@TheWaluigiman1]

Despite Krell's strength, I'm pretty sure Starkiller would find a way to fight him. If he couldn't;t force augment his strength, then he would go for his force abilities and lightning him till he's burned and crispy... Though I do want to see them fight.

[@_Egil]

+nichols sims Starkiller one-shots.

[@kvash3154]

Maybe it's my lack of knowledge on how the force works, but why couldn't a force user direct all their force enhanced strength from both arms into one arm? Especially if they can "anchor" their feet to the ground to give them leverage to offset their lack of weight if they are lighter then their opponent? Since it's a flowing energy, I could imagine a jedi drawing the energy from one arm and into the striking arm. Strength training would seem almost useless against a super strong opponent.

[@fightingfalcon777]

Oh no question, as shown by Darth Maul. I was just saying that the way you wrote it made it sound like you thought Teras Kasi was a lightsaber technique.

[@bigcjuly]

By the way forgot. Do pong krell vs sombody.

[@4mobius280]

What do you need power strikes for with a weapon that cuts through anything? Besides which, raw strength IS NOT AN ADVANTAGE IN A FIGHT. Really, technique will serve you far better, redirecting or evading strikes.

[@robrockstar9648]

+4Mobius2 lightsabers do still feel resistance when cutting through materials so it still requires force to cut through things.

[@4mobius280]

Robby Bach Not a lot however if the films are to be believed. And my original point stands. Redirection works far better than raw strength

[@DarthArachnious]

When I think of a Lightsabers gyroscopic effect. I imagine a 3-5 lb dumbbell with a light flexible blade: bamboo, carbon fiber, what have you. With a tennis ball half full of water at the end. Swing that around with any precision. Then try two.

[@SSawy3r]

could we see your take on the mandalorian culture? I my self have read a little bit on this but on the knowledge you just put forth in this video, i differ to you.

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

Shouldn't Maul be the poster boy? I mean, Ventress is good and all, but I think Maul is much better at lightsaber combat. Plus, he is more popular.

[@MisterPrince01]

who is pong krell again ?

[@TheJoker10259]

Pong Krell vs General Grievous

[@whitesnow6738]

Hey :D I would like to hang out with you guys in skype, facebook OR whatever you guys use's to talk to each other. I would like to meat you guys and shear some of my idea about starwars that I think you guys will like :D

[@GargleMyMayonaze]

With two blades it's all about speed, with speed and a lot of skill you'd be better off with one

[@emericaman222]

Starkiller

[@jamesgordon1441]

you said that it was imprecise. This is untrue as at high levels it is just as pecise as other froms , although maybe not makashi. Lord Kas'im uses it against darth bane and completely outclasses him as his saber skills were so perfect.