Designated Survivor | SB 8180 Senate Vote

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7 жыл бұрын

The senate votes on the SB 8180 section that deals with background checks for guns.
Sorry guys for not uploading for awhile. I had family issuses.

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@nativewood
@nativewood 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when i first watched this thinking "That's a horrible Senate stage, looks nothing like the real deal." Then I remember, it was blown up and rebuilt. That's why there's a show.
@mochammadalify183
@mochammadalify183 2 жыл бұрын
kinda remind me a scene in the series "no, he made several enemies in the hill" "emily, there's no hill anymore"
@NEFLAtlantic
@NEFLAtlantic 2 жыл бұрын
That’s not the senate stage, i think because it was blown up they are holding the session in the library of Congress
@jindaehyunclo
@jindaehyunclo 5 ай бұрын
In real life, this is the chamber and home of the Toronto City Council
@ohno3464
@ohno3464 3 жыл бұрын
The best part of this clip is seeing the smug smirk on Senator Bowman's face disappear to be replaced by a look of absolute horror.
@lilsam5374
@lilsam5374 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevuseth8027 Such a great moment 😂
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevuseth8027 Yeah, well, sdly, Mitch has had a lot more reasons to smile. Including the fact that he's still breathing cause they can't find his horcruxes.
@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676
@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676 8 ай бұрын
@@kevuseth8027 Well that comment didn't age well.
@coltsfan69
@coltsfan69 29 күн бұрын
I agree
@kellyj5610
@kellyj5610 3 жыл бұрын
You would think the top priorities would be the confirmation of a new VP and SCOTUS Justices followed by filling a cabinet. Once the basics of the 3 branches are reestablished then you can start moving on Legislation...especially Legislation with Constitutional implications that a significant portion of the Citizenry (on one side or another) dont want.
@joshuapope9225
@joshuapope9225 3 жыл бұрын
Think they were using this to set up Hookstraten's candidacy for VP but then her ex staffer stabbed her in the back
@HokadoKong
@HokadoKong 4 ай бұрын
I pretty sure if I am not wrong they had just barely filled the senate and house with temporary members and the only thing they were missing were cabinet members and the justices that needed the legislative branch to confirm.
@tumuafaasua7642
@tumuafaasua7642 5 жыл бұрын
I love this show and whole cast! Rockin Show...more seasons please!
@Danny199
@Danny199 3 жыл бұрын
This show was so amazing, sad that the third season didn't live up to these two.
@peach-panther
@peach-panther 3 жыл бұрын
Right? Season 3 felt rushed
@cmj0929
@cmj0929 3 ай бұрын
@@peach-pantherdefinitely, the first 2 we’re amazing
@romerohug
@romerohug 6 жыл бұрын
i love designated survivor
@gaillittle1700
@gaillittle1700 4 жыл бұрын
I love the one where the president asks Seth to be the White House Correspondent and his speech he made after.
@saudade2100
@saudade2100 3 жыл бұрын
I loved “Designated Survivor”. But then that damn last season. I’m the conservative, my wife runs liberal, she saw the last season and even she couldn’t stand it.
@spoyledbratt
@spoyledbratt 3 жыл бұрын
I think conservatives and liberals alike hated the last season. It was dreadful...
@ohno3464
@ohno3464 3 жыл бұрын
spoyledbratt what happened during the last season?
@Tranquility._
@Tranquility._ 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that got me hooked on this show was all the conspiracy of who blew up the capital and why Kirkman was designated survivor and there was no conspiracy at all no actual threats besides the bio attack which ended in 2 episodes and they also killed of hannah Wells for no reason she got such a rubbish death
@johnstorm9314
@johnstorm9314 3 жыл бұрын
@@spoyledbratt I feel I did the right thing and stopped watching halfway through season 2.
@coultergill7728
@coultergill7728 3 жыл бұрын
@@ohno3464 a lot of sex and profanity
@meridithbloom1289
@meridithbloom1289 7 жыл бұрын
We are glad you're back.
@nick2s
@nick2s 2 жыл бұрын
Season 3 deleted all the characters that season 2 introduced on top of making Hannah irrelevant and killed off for no good reason.
@robertfullmer2467
@robertfullmer2467 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Netflix completely butchered the series. SMH
@blancaalbercafontecha2423
@blancaalbercafontecha2423 3 жыл бұрын
Maravillosa serie porque han cancelado la temporada 4 no entiendo y creo que no tienen en cuenta a los seguidores de esta serie
@tigerguy1013
@tigerguy1013 3 жыл бұрын
Was anybody else on the edge of their seats watching this??
@nwat1993
@nwat1993 2 сағат бұрын
The senate chamber used is actually Toronto city halls council chamber..
@michaelloud5206
@michaelloud5206 2 жыл бұрын
Of course, we got a Jack Bauer "Dammit!"
@Sometimes_Happiness
@Sometimes_Happiness 5 жыл бұрын
Fiction aside, I've always felt that Tennessee was always in reach for the Democrats on guns if they ran the right candidate. It's not exactly Mississippi or North Dakota where people hunt for their livelihood; TN has a vibrant service economy as well and a highly educated population compared to other red states. It also has a lot of major cities, so it's heavily urbanized. I really do think it's possible to get TN into swing state status with the right candidate and investment. Also, I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH! I just wish our real politicians had the courage of fake-Senator Vandenberg.
@mrjarock1234
@mrjarock1234 3 жыл бұрын
and this is why u guys lose, lol.
@jacobw446
@jacobw446 3 жыл бұрын
Tyranny of the majority.. is still tyranny! "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776 www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quotations-founding-fathers
@stareatme9983
@stareatme9983 3 жыл бұрын
Trump 2020 I
@EzraWyrick
@EzraWyrick 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@jmin8400
@jmin8400 3 жыл бұрын
@@stareatme9983 The boy lost. Get a life.
@josephineagapito1700
@josephineagapito1700 2 жыл бұрын
Love designated survivor much
@kingofrivia1248
@kingofrivia1248 3 жыл бұрын
Idk i am very liberal but i don’t understand the problem with guns - guns increase violence but if you want a gun the black market will always be there - the key is responsible legal gun ownership
@Stan13377
@Stan13377 3 жыл бұрын
In Switzerland people can have a gun too. The thing is, thay can’t buy a grenade, an AK47, a Sniper riffle and kill half of the school with it. They can buy pistols not semi fucking rifles XD
@CelsiusPC
@CelsiusPC 3 жыл бұрын
@@Stan13377 lmao very incorrect, Switzerland has conscription and anyone after service has the option to keep their arms, and Switzerland definitely isn’t using just pistols as their service weapons, it’s those darn evil semi auto rifles! In all seriousness different countries have different circumstances. Also “sniper rifles” are just bolt actions that shoots full rifle cartridges (bigger than 5.56 that an ar-15 is chambered in) and has a high powered optic. Make sure to do your research folks!
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@CelsiusPC They can be semi-auto ones as well.
@sid2112
@sid2112 6 ай бұрын
@@JnEricsonx Like my HCAR! It's semi-auto and fires something a LOT bigger than them little .223s!
@GuyFromCanada25
@GuyFromCanada25 3 жыл бұрын
1:17 I - Heard about the pizza
@jaredgunkle1562
@jaredgunkle1562 3 жыл бұрын
someone give that pizza a medal
@maurice4680
@maurice4680 4 жыл бұрын
It’s life a joke or a tv show president worries and respects people than the president we have today
@yenallchild7450
@yenallchild7450 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I watch it online? Help please. Thank you
@jplegend98
@jplegend98 3 жыл бұрын
Netflix
@lolipedofin
@lolipedofin 5 жыл бұрын
1 thing I still don't get, how such a divisive bill with a vote that they knew will come down to the wire.... Why wouldn't Kirkman nominate and confirm his VP first before pushing for the bill?? If he has a VP here, he won't need the widow's vote, the vote would have been a 50-50, with his VP to tie-break the result.
@aaliadoesanarchy6277
@aaliadoesanarchy6277 5 жыл бұрын
They address it in the show, I forgot the rationale
@evanvanreese9020
@evanvanreese9020 5 жыл бұрын
They don’t have a Vice President because he died
@KsPRNightrmare
@KsPRNightrmare 5 жыл бұрын
The last VP was part of the conspiracy and tried to have Kirkman killed so he would ascend to the presidency. Kirkman has to be careful about who to choose for VP because there are very few people he could trust in the position.
@overlordjay9807
@overlordjay9807 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the vp o nly had word in the senate,not congress
@jplegend98
@jplegend98 3 жыл бұрын
@@overlordjay9807 only if it's a tie
@CRYSAW
@CRYSAW 4 жыл бұрын
Legends say seth still denys pizza
@joeoneill8222
@joeoneill8222 20 күн бұрын
There all great keep them comming😂
@hachi7484
@hachi7484 3 жыл бұрын
what party is the president? i assume democratic because of the post it notes on the board
@ArtemMuze
@ArtemMuze 3 жыл бұрын
He was an independent secretary in a Democratic administration.
@kingofrivia1248
@kingofrivia1248 3 жыл бұрын
After this i always watch john maccains actual vote
@King_Havoc
@King_Havoc 3 жыл бұрын
This show was amazing until season 3! Season 3 was absolutely garbage! I had to skip so much of it that it wasn't even worth watching. They had so many amazing directions they could've taken the show but chose none of them! Very disappointed ☹️
@Joshua-Samarita
@Joshua-Samarita 4 жыл бұрын
Moss is the example of saying in politicians. You don't have friends or enemy in politics,
@lexusdriver1963
@lexusdriver1963 6 жыл бұрын
3:10 High Fives all around
@aethelwolfe3539
@aethelwolfe3539 3 жыл бұрын
Designated Survivor ( they chose someone’s name who could have been Mary Sue)
@benefitsvids2402
@benefitsvids2402 Жыл бұрын
Bro good old times tom and moss were friends but in season3 they arent friends
@indaybrady
@indaybrady 3 жыл бұрын
Hannah Wells got eliminated, I only watch the show because of Hannah. She is drop in season 3.
@Tranquility._
@Tranquility._ 3 жыл бұрын
And is wasn't even this amazing death she's fought bigger threats yet she died to 2 episode villain like what the heck
@monitor1862
@monitor1862 6 жыл бұрын
Extended background checks (for sales between private citizens) sounds great but how would they be enforced?
@jacobw446
@jacobw446 6 жыл бұрын
They cant be! This will be just like prohibition... widely ignored by the general public!
@mikemesser4326
@mikemesser4326 5 жыл бұрын
It IS possible, just a nightmare for logistics. Even then you could only track rifled weapons - ones you can run both ballistics and serial numbers on. Require all weapons be registered. Then upon sale, have ownership be transferred the same way you transfer a vehicle - except require the background check before ownership can be transferred. Make the original owner responsible for the weapon until that is done.
@chelseaoliver5404
@chelseaoliver5404 4 жыл бұрын
With all due respect it's a similar system in the UK and it works well
@jacobw446
@jacobw446 3 жыл бұрын
@@chelseaoliver5404 All the knifings and murders in UK shows that weapons control does not work.
@chelseaoliver5404
@chelseaoliver5404 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobw446 with all respect while yes there are still unfortunateky alot of stabbings especially in London there still comparatively low to the US and there is alot being done to decrease the numbers, our shootings are r really low due to the current laws, although I wont pretend there hasn't been mistakes and instances were they gave tragically occurred and please consider the fact the UK last had a school shooting 25 years ago no comparison to the US on that I'm afraid
@Angus_Gibson
@Angus_Gibson 5 жыл бұрын
Tennessee pulls through! Woot woot!
@miya3920
@miya3920 3 жыл бұрын
I love Mos.Because he is generous at this time.
@miya3920
@miya3920 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry. I loved.
@oxi2514
@oxi2514 3 жыл бұрын
Yes at this time lol
@el.d0njuan
@el.d0njuan 3 жыл бұрын
@@miya3920 you just saw the end of season 2?
@pantarei8382
@pantarei8382 3 жыл бұрын
What bill?
@steviej.
@steviej. 3 жыл бұрын
It was bill involving gun regulation
@aaronstanton7894
@aaronstanton7894 Жыл бұрын
Sb8180 with stronger federal background checks
@Siptom369
@Siptom369 2 жыл бұрын
The series that makes you enjoy politics
@sid2112
@sid2112 6 ай бұрын
Watching an ersatz Senate strip Constitutional rights?
@akashgeorge3326
@akashgeorge3326 3 жыл бұрын
Was the VP not going to vote aye?
@joshuaalfaro4781
@joshuaalfaro4781 3 жыл бұрын
There was no VP at this time
@sladestegall9820
@sladestegall9820 4 жыл бұрын
in reality emily is the bad guy lol
@steviej.
@steviej. 3 жыл бұрын
In the end, u could sqy she technically was the bad guy since she ruined kirkman's reputation and made him look like a liar to the people
@ReaverLordTonus
@ReaverLordTonus 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, the number of glum faces and lack of respect for the opposition winning fair and square is really being laid on thick at the end of this scene. Losing teams shake hands with the winners after a little league game and these grown ass adults working in Government have to sulk when they failed to shoot down a bill calling for increased safety?
@aethelwolfe3539
@aethelwolfe3539 3 жыл бұрын
Because what government is at the end of the day is the use of force and fraud to achieve objectives. You don’t shake hands for real if you do.
@nascarnut18
@nascarnut18 3 жыл бұрын
Every pro gun control argument is entirely emotional with zero substance. Hate to burst your bubble.
@ThyPandora
@ThyPandora 2 жыл бұрын
@@nascarnut18 I still wanna understand why you need 100-round drum magazines for home defense?
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThyPandora Because Murica. That's why. :(
@Ultra_Sauce
@Ultra_Sauce Жыл бұрын
@@ThyPandora because that’s none of your business and legislation will only get more people killed
@ugheieiemmmfmfmff
@ugheieiemmmfmfmff 8 ай бұрын
Mr. Moss was supposed to be far right, so why did he say "Lets get champagne!" when the gun vote went through?
@KajolKhan-qj5ne
@KajolKhan-qj5ne 7 ай бұрын
You expect a pure politician to have one principle and stick to it?! They change skin better than the snakes do, so switching from a political view to another is pretty normal.
@codyrodgers6426
@codyrodgers6426 6 ай бұрын
Moss was a moderate republican like Kirkman was but after Kirkman canned him for back dealing with the Russians without approval and killing the ongoing investigation he decided to run for the republican nomination. Kirkman would have brought in the independents and moderates and the democratic candidate would bring in the liberals. So moss had to shift and embrace the far right so he could win the nomination and the presidency.
@AmericanNinja02
@AmericanNinja02 3 жыл бұрын
I miss this show !!! Hell can we get keifer or Dennis Haysbert as president?? Both would get my vote
@jamesderrick9967
@jamesderrick9967 3 жыл бұрын
And Leslie Knope 2024
@Egilhelmson
@Egilhelmson 9 ай бұрын
Keifer is ineligible, as he was born in London England to two Canadians (as per IMDb). Haysbert is, per same source.
@AmericanPoliceState
@AmericanPoliceState 6 жыл бұрын
We already have background checks. Anyone who says we don't is either ignorant or lying.
@AmericanPoliceState
@AmericanPoliceState 6 жыл бұрын
@Jon Do you own a firearm?
@erikagehr8273
@erikagehr8273 6 жыл бұрын
Jon I'm certain you have never been through the process of purchasing a firearm.
@Marley260
@Marley260 6 жыл бұрын
NO,you are, Jon
@overlordjay9807
@overlordjay9807 4 жыл бұрын
Stronger background checks btw lmao Yes we do have background checks,but their still weak
@PandemicGameplay
@PandemicGameplay 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, just left political agenda B.S. from a shitty show
@el.d0njuan
@el.d0njuan 3 жыл бұрын
We can all agree that season 3 was trash, abc should have kept the series
@Sahilprakash1999
@Sahilprakash1999 2 жыл бұрын
2:11 Seth Wright: wait wait wait Emily Rhodes: what Seth Wright: Vandenberg voted yes Emily Rhodes: are you sure Seth Wright: yeah go back rewind it
@rockymntnliberty
@rockymntnliberty 4 жыл бұрын
Just started watching this series and got to this particular episode last night, and I have to say it freaking pissed me off. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, with today's media and entertainment what they considered to be a moderate independent 30 years ago would have been considered a socialist. They portray all those individuals in favor of crapping on our constitutional rights as so thoughtful and courageous. The individual standing in favor of defending our second amendment rights is of course a duplicitous jerk.
@nevermore7285
@nevermore7285 4 жыл бұрын
Son of Liberty While I don’t agree with some of the extremes gun control people go to, I also have never really gotten the constitution right thing. The problem with the second amendment is that is was made during a time where the best rifles and pistols were muskets and such, not the automatic guns and large round clips we have. They didn’t have the same issues with guns with do now, and so it is natural to alter it to fit the current times.
@saramcnick7022
@saramcnick7022 3 жыл бұрын
They weren’t trying to do something extreme like take guns from everyone or remove gun rights from the constitution. They were instituting a background check to make sure that certain people don’t have access to that kind of weaponry. Such as someone with a history of violence or abuse, or a person known to have a mental illness. It’s not “crapping on a constitutional right” it’s putting rules in place to keep that right to people who are of sound mind that won’t fo around just hurting people with the weapons they have access to
@rockymntnliberty
@rockymntnliberty 3 жыл бұрын
@@nevermore7285 Actually at that time they did have newly renovated rapid-fire guns, so they were aware that that could be something people would have, but was not relevant as the second amendment was designed to assure that the American public your average Joe Blow had an equivalent Firepower to that that would be marshaled by any potential standing army. If you look at the thought processes of the founding fathers on this subject oh, you would see that they probably would favor your average Joe Blow having access to an M1 Abrams or an F-16. They guaranteed are right with the Second Amendment to make sure that the power of the peoples of the United States would be equal to or greater than any military force.
@rockymntnliberty
@rockymntnliberty 3 жыл бұрын
@@saramcnick7022 What you were describing is your basic red flag law that has been passed in certain parts of the country these red flag laws sound like a reasonable things to do. Reasonable that is until SWAT team kicks your door in in the middle of the night sees that you have a gun and shoots and kills you, or you hearing an intruder in the middle of the night shoot and kill one of them before they kill you, and all a result of a neighbor who got pissed off at you because you yelled at his kid to stay off your damn lawn. All this without any due process except after the fact. Oh yes mr. Johnson we kicked in your door scared your family to death took away a constitutional right but you can hire a lawyer and possibly get it back once you prove your innocence after your conviction. These red flag laws are not constitutional period the end. you might get some moronic judges to say they're okay, but they do not follow the Constitution.
@user-yq3fz9ch5q
@user-yq3fz9ch5q 8 ай бұрын
​@@nevermore7285there were automatic firing weapons back then, not in large supply, or just one type of example then. US Citizens owned cannons then also🤷‍♂️ The point the founders included protections in the Bill of Rights was to ensure the government didn't turn tyrannical upon the people who elected them. The 2AD was not enshrined in the constitution for squirrel or rabbit hunting, it was the common defense against a radical government. Plenty of citations by the founders, seek and yes shall find.
@SpaceCommand
@SpaceCommand 6 жыл бұрын
America needs *EXACTLY THIS!!* 👍👍
@James-dc3yt
@James-dc3yt 6 жыл бұрын
America has background checks
@forrestyoung6588
@forrestyoung6588 6 жыл бұрын
Dagger TX no we have loopholes to get around background checks. Idiot
@Marley260
@Marley260 6 жыл бұрын
Typical Liberal. Cant have a discussion,have to name call
@forrestyoung6588
@forrestyoung6588 6 жыл бұрын
Scrooge simply stating a fact, your welcome. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, typical republikkkan.
@Marley260
@Marley260 6 жыл бұрын
Again,typical Liberal. Don't know SHIT about weapons. Also don't know shit about me. I am NOT a Republican LOL
@texasboy9036
@texasboy9036 3 жыл бұрын
Only and best season. 2 and 3 was not good at all.
@bigbios7940
@bigbios7940 3 жыл бұрын
It all no
@RogueBlackOp
@RogueBlackOp Жыл бұрын
All it takes is one person to stand up for what they believe in.
@whicked_stone7566
@whicked_stone7566 Жыл бұрын
President Kirkman solves every big political problem in the United States
@Egilhelmson
@Egilhelmson 9 ай бұрын
Why not? President Jack Ryan did it during an Ebola Outbreak.
@sid2112
@sid2112 6 ай бұрын
By stripping citizens of the means to defend themselves. Oh yeah, great job. It worked so well in the Clinton and Obama administrations, didn't it?
@thiernohassanediallo6522
@thiernohassanediallo6522 7 жыл бұрын
alors Trump na k s'inspirer de ça.
@kingpin6989
@kingpin6989 3 жыл бұрын
Senator Lewis is a SILF.
@jacobw446
@jacobw446 3 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, People can still make guns in their basements, regardless of these stupid, unconstitutional laws!
@stevenfoster9402
@stevenfoster9402 3 жыл бұрын
That's not exactly a good thing dude.
@jacobw446
@jacobw446 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevenfoster9402 Liberty, of law abiding citizens, is always a "Good thing". "who is the militia? It is the WHOLE PEOPLE, except a few public officials (like President, Congress, Supreme Court justices)" George Mason "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776 "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776 www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quotations-founding-fathers
@CathrineMacNiel
@CathrineMacNiel 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobw446 you do realise that this law is over 200 years old right, and that the times were different? Well now you have to defend against a tyrannical Preseident who uses the Military against his own people.
@jacobw446
@jacobw446 3 жыл бұрын
@@CathrineMacNiel Civil rights transcend time. You also have a freedom of press today, regardless of if you are writing with a quill or on a modern computer. Technology advances, but the civil right stays the same. Quoting Heller pgs 55-56; "It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service-M-16 rifles and the like-may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have lim­ited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right." www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
@stefanidk7371
@stefanidk7371 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobw446 well this aged well
@arthurmead5341
@arthurmead5341 7 ай бұрын
One of the cringiest scenes of the show
@ArshLX12
@ArshLX12 9 ай бұрын
Bowman's a bastard button ------->>
@catchgenerics8667
@catchgenerics8667 3 жыл бұрын
I hate the modern GOP and right wingers but this show seems very much like propaganda.
@opticbigevil7828
@opticbigevil7828 Жыл бұрын
Which is why I'm surprised Kiefer was even willing to take on this role considering he is very conservative in real life
@opticbigevil7828
@opticbigevil7828 Жыл бұрын
Oh damn my apologize I'm surprised to read Sutherland is actually very liberal 🤣
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