Designing grades and helix for the Model Railway

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Marklinofsweden

Marklinofsweden

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@mountainmanpedro
@mountainmanpedro 9 ай бұрын
The comparisons between UK, Europe, and US layout styles is valuable. I draw inspiration from both US and euro styles in my euro outline layout in the US. There is a lot we can learn from one another, and I think people can benefit from these different approaches regardless of where they are. Another great video for a truly international audience, Martin.
@vitale6633
@vitale6633 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful Layout. Really appreciate your presentation style. Very Informative and helpful.
@andrewpalm2103
@andrewpalm2103 9 ай бұрын
As usual, Martin, you go into great depth and clearly explain the "big picture" on this topic, including its place in layout design. This is very valuable and shares a perspective lacking in many explanations found in videos which only focus on the technical details. Cheers from Wisconsin!
@OlafBohlen
@OlafBohlen 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing out the issues with the NEM couplings. That makes me rethink my Helix design and may make me switch to K tracks for the helix so save some height.
@AlexEhn
@AlexEhn 7 ай бұрын
Extremely valuable tips an tricks! Love the in-depth reasonings.
@southerncooker6475
@southerncooker6475 9 ай бұрын
Amazing watching your videos!
@christopherkelley1999
@christopherkelley1999 9 ай бұрын
Very good information! Thank you!
@rtalbot87
@rtalbot87 9 ай бұрын
Thank you. I have finalised my design. Now I will review all grades and vertical easements !
@jenssteenlarsen1818
@jenssteenlarsen1818 9 ай бұрын
Execllent video ... once again, Martin. I'm a dedicated subscriber
@lindaoffenbach
@lindaoffenbach 9 ай бұрын
Wow, this is delightfully well informative! There have been quite some debates and experiments here at home about the max percentage of inclines. Luckily Märklin locos are very powerful but we don't want to stress the motors too much either. There is a German YT where a guy visited M's QA dept. They demonstrated that a new design is tested at 5% with wagons each loaded with 200 grams. M claimed in that vid that a model should at least be able to haul in scale what the prototype could manage but that 5% incline is indeed the max tested by M. They also demonstrated that a loco is able to haul even more than prototypical, but not sure if it all was marketing talk related to the controversy that M went from their standard 4 tyres on Coco and BoBo locos to 2 on newer designs. We have no problems with 2 tyres though and we settled at a max of 3% incline which all locos with cars so far can handle easy peasy. Being careful with curved inclines and not using switches on inclines at all is a valuable extra bit of info here for us. Since we have read about and seen the many problems with helices (sagging) we just decided to avoid them altogether. Great upload Martin 👋👋👋
@stefanbattige7988
@stefanbattige7988 9 ай бұрын
Hello, thank You very much for the idea to split the gradient between the upper and the lower line! Great idea !
@lukebarber9511
@lukebarber9511 9 ай бұрын
In the US we tend to use percents as a way to measure gradients.
@Herriot7
@Herriot7 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic reflections and thoughts on design and planning. Thank you for sharing.
@elihay120
@elihay120 8 ай бұрын
Thank for your amazing videos and your clear explanations, I d like to understand how do you add a camera to your locos 🎉
@marklinofsweden
@marklinofsweden 7 ай бұрын
I use an action-cam on a wagon pushed by the loco.. my cam is Sony Az-1 but it’s no longer available. Look for current models, but make sure they fit under catenary and tunnels
@muir8009
@muir8009 9 ай бұрын
One thing I've noticed Martin, is with my M track I'm running in the mountains roughly 7 to 8% grades, and the old märklin heavyweights like the 3015, 3014, RSM800, to name just the Swiss loks are absolute machines. The big motor css800/ 3015 just climbs like a mountain goat. Reason why I bring this up is, for example, my 3029 BR44 is a fair way heavier than the newer, and much more detailed 3084 BR50 kabintender, and is a brute compared to it, notwithstanding the actual motor is practically the same. Just sometimes when looking at gradients for your model railway it can pay to consider what you're going to run. But those early big motor krokodils are indomitable machines.
@raymondleggs5508
@raymondleggs5508 9 ай бұрын
The earlier models with the early "open frame" motor had a lot of torque and were often weighted heavier than the later locomotives, this is true of even the early plastic Fleischmann locos, they were heavier than the later versions that came out in the 80's which is why they are still so sought after.
@piero_75
@piero_75 9 ай бұрын
17:00 - such a beautiful loco and setting, perfect! Can someone tell me which loco it is? Great video too, thank you Martin :)
@Christiane069
@Christiane069 9 ай бұрын
Very good analysis. In the US both the "Prototype" (real railroad), and the models use multiple locomotives to pull long trains (some can be 2 miles in length or more in the East), or going over mountain ranges like the Rockies.
@evileyeball
@evileyeball 9 ай бұрын
My father worked in a plywood plant for over 30 years so I've been close to plywood my entire life Its just sad that he's passed away so among other things I can't get from him is plywood advice or discounts haha.
@petter5721
@petter5721 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thank you 😀
@mikkelfalling3571
@mikkelfalling3571 9 күн бұрын
Super interesting information. Thanks for sharing. Mange tak
@muir8009
@muir8009 9 ай бұрын
Martin, a question: you mention using double 6mm ply as the helix subroadbed. Now, in Martinstown layout you used the Noch easy track roadbed, which is of course 4mm mdf. Is there any compelling reason you're using birch ply over the mdf? You've obviously experienced both products, and I was just wondering if one or the other is that much better? I do appreciate that mdf is quite heavy, however the Noch product is 4mm so can't be that much heavier... Cheers
@marklinofsweden
@marklinofsweden 9 ай бұрын
I had very little saying on the Noch product unfortunately. They didn’t accept my design since it was too large 3,10 x 1,50m. So, it was shrunk to 2,5m instead making the grades way too steep. The material is Noch ”Easy track” system and is selected on lowest manufacturing cost. A kit with ply subroadbed would have made the kit more than x4 in price and un-sellable. So.. The Noch product is what the Noch product is. It’s not ment to be a long-lasting permanent layout kit. Fast, low-cost and easy..
@muir8009
@muir8009 9 ай бұрын
@marklinofsweden thank you very much for your detailed and forthright answer. The reality is Noch is selling a suitable product for those enthusiasts who want a good-looking and well executed layout, and to understandably remain an affordable product. I suppose an analogy would be those exact martinstown Ikea tables. You'd used them as they are affordable, easy to build up, look smart (for a time) and do what is required of them. If they were solid oak I'm sure Martinstown would live for a thousand years, however Ikea would've probably sold one a year... It's awkward isn't it: 3,10m is just on that size of being too large for the spare bedroom. Funny how Bing's Table Railway, Trix Express and Märklins 00, and hornbys dublo were all developed to be able to fit your railway Empire onto the kitchen table. Model railroading has gone so far forwards, and yet gone so far backwards at the same time... Cheers Martin, awesome stuff
@FlyOz-b7b
@FlyOz-b7b 9 ай бұрын
Material thickness would be 12=12 so 124mm track top to track top gaah What a great explanation thank you
@elihay120
@elihay120 7 ай бұрын
Thank you champ.
@xanx1234
@xanx1234 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video Martin, answered a lot of my queries with regard to gradients and helixes but I do have some concerns with regard to the maths, although it could be me, for example at 8:4min a 1 in 30 (3.3%) = 1.9° ≠ 1.5° ....... (from Tan α = a/b) consequently steeper as an angle in degrees!
@szili76
@szili76 9 ай бұрын
I have bought Martinstown, which is your own design and the grade there is 3cm incline in 40cm according to my measurements. Now that is way more than 5 degrees.
@jt-rz9up
@jt-rz9up 8 ай бұрын
3 in 40 is 4.3 degrees
@Jerry_Treich_NM_USA
@Jerry_Treich_NM_USA 9 ай бұрын
Martin, Thank you for an excellent explanation. I found it very helpful because I am designing a Marklin HO layout with a 610mm total height. I plan to use Atlas Code 100 Flex track for the two helices planned for the layout. Can you recommend how to add the center contact to such track?
@Mike__B
@Mike__B 9 ай бұрын
33:16 I thought it was a universal no-no to solder the inside of tracks. I mean I understand with careful solder and possibly sanding down any solder bumps it can be done but still why risk it.
@politicsandtrains
@politicsandtrains 9 ай бұрын
What are you using for switch indicator lights I saw ?
@marklinofsweden
@marklinofsweden 9 ай бұрын
Hi! I´m not sure exactly what you mean here.. Can you expand on the question? The video shown is collection from 8 different layouts using many types of switches.
@politicsandtrains
@politicsandtrains 9 ай бұрын
@@marklinofsweden Good day, I noticed in one of the videos when you were talking about grades, their was track lights for switchs , they indicate the track open or closed, nice green and red lights
@CrazyBob1357
@CrazyBob1357 9 ай бұрын
Hi Mark Bob Cooney here
@haraldljusarbetaren8649
@haraldljusarbetaren8649 9 ай бұрын
It would be nice if you could produce a video were locos control other locos automatically in different blocks by changing signals, changing directions of turnouts and turning the elctricity on and off. Thanks.
@joanmanueloliverovira4073
@joanmanueloliverovira4073 9 ай бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@michu.z.1457
@michu.z.1457 5 ай бұрын
i ve been fighting with helixes some time ago i ve done my own helix at taht time i didnt know nothing about grades , after that build the trains where falling down from it finally i decided to get rid of helixes and finally i ve got 4x inclines 2,40 long each . i also have been trying to do it myself i eaven bought electronic level that counts the degrees of inclination , but still i ve got something wrong after some help from one of germanys shop i decided to buy ready-made inclines from woodland scenics - they very cheap in compare to noch - so my advice is buy premade inclines from woodland scenics or noch - and when it comes to helixes also buy it from noch - i wasted on this doing this by myself so much money that i might but 1x locomotive and 5 freight cars rolling stock for it ; - i ve got leyout 9 square meters and for now i ve got 53m of tracks
@Tauraco00
@Tauraco00 8 ай бұрын
I was scared to do a helix 😮
@mikeseba7817
@mikeseba7817 9 ай бұрын
👌👍👍👍🛤
@legobauer2.0
@legobauer2.0 9 ай бұрын
I have an suitcase Layout with 10 cm in 70 cm😅
@adp5R3x
@adp5R3x 9 ай бұрын
... Helices ...
@markmiller2859
@markmiller2859 7 ай бұрын
promo sm
@abbofun9022
@abbofun9022 9 ай бұрын
Why all this explaining in inches and other imperial measures? You’re from Sweden and are part of 95% of the globe using metric.
@JockeB70
@JockeB70 9 ай бұрын
Bad day eh?
@papmobil7557
@papmobil7557 9 ай бұрын
But he is right
@abbofun9022
@abbofun9022 9 ай бұрын
@@JockeB70 not really, just a bit irritated with all that imperial nonsense. Why does the world need to cater to this outdated measurement system only used by 3 countries (Liberia, Myanmar and USA)
@Dragonflyte1
@Dragonflyte1 9 ай бұрын
Leave him alone. It's not hurting anyone and the 10s of thousands of us in the US appreciate it.
@abbofun9022
@abbofun9022 9 ай бұрын
@@Dragonflyte1 eh? and the rest of the world doesn’t count, they should simply adjust to you?
@evileyeball
@evileyeball 9 ай бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hill This Existed in real world where in Canada we used to have a grade of 4.5% when the Canadian Pacific Railway first opened but it was NOT good at all and was only made as a temporary measure to allow the completion of the railway. It's been replaced by much more sensible grades.
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