Is Double Predestination Biblical?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 1827
Transcript: www.desiringgod.org/interview...

[@hactx]

There are truths that are for human understanding and there are truths that gives a glimpse of God’s purview and are stumbling blocks for those who don’t want to follow Christ. 1 Timothy 2:4 is a truth for Man to hold to. Also God’s answer to job is another instance that there are things we can glimpse but cannot know. Faith is not contingent on the truth making sense to us.

[@wareaglejf]

No the Bible does not teach double predestination. Repent, John Piper.

[@rsm1161]

No John don't go down that road! 2 Tim 4 has nothing to do with election, predestination, calling ect. God's desire and what He does are two different things. 2 Tim 4 doesn't contradict anything.

[@captainmarvel76927]

The great think about Predestination is u don't need Jesus Christ. It's not required, because it was already determined. Besides Jesus Christ's human nature had no free will. U also have no choice in u being able to choose a personal lord abd savior.

[@theresaread72]

Believers, Romans 8, are predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son, Jesus Christ. It does not say lost, unsaved people are predestined to salvation or damnation. Salvation is conditional on man’s response to the Gospel with their faith.

[@vitaignis5594]

Even the Council of Orange declares, "We not only do not believe that any are foreordained to evil by the power of God, but even state with utter abhorrence that if there are those who want to believe so evil a thing, they are anathema." Double predestination has historically been condemned by the church and does not have its roots in the teachings of the church fathers or Scriptures.

[@haroldmcbroom7807]

I'm not going to stress out about all this predestination stuff, people just need to believe in Jesus, and not worry about the fine details as though it has anything to do with their salvation, or losing it. Remember, God's Word also indicates that we should not be debating on a lot of these issues that generate questions. But still, there will be those that say, "The Bible is pretty clear on this...", ...though I've never ran across a scripture that says, God is not clear on this subject don't discuss it amongst yourself. God is CLEAR concerning His Plan, but God's plan is not clear to even believers, least of all those that do not believe for no one knows the "work" that God does from beginning to end, and where has God declared this work, within His Word, so no one understands God's Word from beginning to end. God gives us each day our daily bread, and we should not dwell on these topics because they do not win souls, but only contribute more confusion.

[@NB3K]

I remember the very day that the Lord of Glory opened my eyes to this doctrine, and He manifested His Glory in all of it's fullness.

[@judethree4405]

The short answer is yes, double predestination is the only biblical and logical conclusion.

[@Racingbro1986]

Where the rubber meets the road is I don’t believe that if someone cried out to God and surrendered, that God would turn this person away just because he didn’t choose them. I think the purpose of the verses of faith being a gift is to guard against boasting in it. One thing that I think we do bring which is of our free will is surrendering, and simultaneously God meets us and fills us with faith as a gift, not because he is controlled by us but that he is the ultimate Good.

[@drkeithwright]

Deep and sobering! Why I must always do as my GOD says for me, Proverbs 3:5-6, Trust HIM with all my heart and do not lean unto my own understanding, in all my ways acknowledge HIM and HE will direct my paths. AND Micah 6:8, I am to act justly, love mercy and to walk humbly with my GOD. Thank you Tony and Dr. Piper.

[@TheCreepypro]

thank you Lord for using brother Piper to teach and help us to learn even though we can't fathom everything there is to know about you help us to learn as much as we can for the sake of your gospel and glory

[@ZanderDuPlessisRSA]

Very well explained.

[@WilliamBranhamsermons]

God bless you so much brother

[@terrymanahan9586]

Fully committed to the glory of God and not the glory of man.

[@jonathanjeff]

So good.

[@WePlugGOODMusic]

Did something happen in Christian KZbin circles this week? This is the second video in twos day I am seeing addressing this topic

[@hactx]

Looking back at Romans 9 it looks like Paul is really grappling with the fact that the nation of Israel as a whole has rejected the gospel of Christ. He remembered the times that jews would stir up trouble from town to town, trying to drive him out and silence him. He has done all that he can to reach them, what would it take "I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people".

[@escapatementalslavery8345]

And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

[@calebmotupalli]

To interpret 2 Timothy 2:24-25 (The Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth)