Has God predetermined every detail in the universe, including sin?

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[@Vincentvuoto]

One day Christ will return and every person will see Him in His glory. No opinions will be entertained. Everyone will be silenced and know that He is the great, "I AM"

[@dayweed85]

evidence?

[@karu6111]

Yeah yeah we get it, we burn in Hell and you go to Heaven. Sweet, sweet heaven...

[@Vincentvuoto]

Leon Gackenheit I am not going to heaven because I've earned it. I'm no better than anyone else. Trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of you sins. Anyone who believes and asks is forgiven. :)

[@josiahsmailes791]

@@Vincentvuoto no, only the elect get forgiven

[@josiahsmailes791]

@kevin purdy lol, you're funny... 1. God creates creatures which become evil (Isa. 45.7) 2. Creates the wicked for the day of evil (prov. 16:4) 3. Is free to do as He pleases and is perfect in His ways (Dan. 4:35) 4. Saves individuals according to the good pleasure of His will doesn't mean that people aren't free in other decisions which they make.

[@Unfinishedbasementpr]

I struggle with this stuff too. But it's encouraging to know that He works it all out for the good of those who love Him.

[@Pandaemoni]

But He determines who is elect and makes them love Him. He chooses to create love in the hearts of some and chooses not to intervene in the hearts of others (who, so far as we know, may still choose to love Him, but who in their fallen state still are not among the elect). "For though the twins were not yet born and had not yet done anything good or bad, in order that God's purpose *according to His choice* would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, 'THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.' Just as it is written: 'JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED.'” Romans 9:11-13 Predestination assumes God intervenes in the hearts of the elect to make them follow the narrow path of salvation. Some believe He intervenes in the hearts of the non-elect to ensure they fall short, but the more orthodox Calvinist view is that He merely decides to not grant them mercy and leaves them to their own devices, knowing that that means they are damned. Still, that by itself doesn't mean those people won't love God at all, even if only to try to earn salvation by accepting Jesus in their own imperfect, fallen, and inadequate way.

[@outragedartz6187]

For all those who love him??? But he also made all those who don’t love him to not love him. So they go to hell because god simply did not want them to love him.

[@barbaud5920]

thats fine for the elect only. you have no good news to share with thenon elect. you r a dumb person

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

@@Pandaemoni standard calvanist verses out of context. Jesus calls ALL to repent. He calls ALL to believe. We have a choice and free will and it does NOT take God's glory

[@jesusisgod2953]

Calvinism is satanic

[@srjshapthnktl4978]

James 1:13 New International Version (NIV) 13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

[@eagleeye182]

He allows evil befall us.

[@craigjoyner9857]

Eagle Eye , no, he cannot be calvinistically sovereign, and then allow things to happen. He has to be in control of all. Did you watch the first 20 seconds of the video?!? God is in control of it all. There is no “let befall” in Calvinism.

[@eagleeye182]

@@craigjoyner9857 Who is talking about Calvinism in the first place? How is God "in control" when hundreds of thousands of people alone are committing suicide every year? In fact, the Devil has no power. He can`t do absolutely anything without God`s approval. God allows evil befall us in hope that we turn to Him, but in the vast majority of cases, people become too damaged in the process and lose any kind of motivation to carry on. It seems, we (God and we) don`t understand each other.

[@craigjoyner9857]

Eagle Eye , John MacArthur is a staunch calvinist/reformed theologian. When he answers this question, he is speaking from the Calvinistic perspective. There is no “let happen” in Calvinism/reformed theology. The only thing that happens, is what god decreed to happen. This is why I am opposed to Calvinism/reformed theology and consider it a different gospel.

[@eagleeye182]

@@craigjoyner9857 This is not John MacArthur but John Piper. You`ve obviously mixed them up.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Its strange how this man talks to us like we can make choices but also says that God has predetermined every single thing that we do and all that happens.

[@jacobbodin5041]

Both are true what are ya gonna do! 🤷‍♂️

[@authenticallysuperficial9874]

All that really matters for us is the illusion of free will. Doesn't matter whether God already chose something for us, since we seem to get to choose for ourselves what is is that God has already planned!

[@authenticallysuperficial9874]

In this view: If I choose to sin, then God already decided I would sin. If I choose not to sin, then God already decided I would not sin. So, I get to choose whether or not God already decided I would sin!

[@sciartion]

I don't think it has to be personal with Piper, remember that this is a long-standing question in Christianity and philosophy, he is not the only one that teaches this, nor did he came up with it.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Right. It can be one or the other.

[@raukawa4732]

I think that God knows everything, He knows every detail of every future event in every person's life before it occurs. Free will would suggest that He knows the choices we will make but doesn't cause us to make them, unless we ask Him to intervene. Of course, He knows if we will ask Him and He knows who are His, even before they existed. Also, God can influence the future through His plans, which never fail - His plans are always good and perfect, God either redeems or He destroys, either way He is just because He's admistering justice. So our will is often different from His will, because His will is always good, merciful and loving, while our will is foolish, proud and selfish - One of the beautiful things about God is that He gives us free will, He doesn't create robot's. His will ultimately must be done and ultimately will be done, but not at the expense of man's free will - It's not His will that sin should reign in people's hearts, it's the people's will, and yet God turns wickedness into grace and glory, yet He himself did not cause the wickedness. God is love, not sin! God is Good, God is kind, God is just! God is light, and there is NO darkness in Him at all!

[@tiff3156]

God literally says in Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

[@miminhaokip5578]

@@tiff3156 Darkness (representing evil or calimity) doesn't meant that God is the source of evil. Bible teaches that evil is the result of humanity's choice to rebel against God and turn away from His ways. But the point is even in the midst of these difficulties God is still in control and working for the good of those who love Him.

[@ovandograham7793]

@@miminhaokip5578but who predetermined human to sin originally???

[@miminhaokip5578]

@@ovandograham7793 In Christian belief, specifically in regard to this, it's not so much about predestination but about the free will of Adam and Eve. They were given the choice to obey or disobey God's command in the Garden of Eden, and their disobedience is what's often referred to as the 'original sin.' It's seen as a result of their own choice rather than something predetermined. Genesis 2:17 (NIV): "But you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."

[@ovandograham7793]

@@miminhaokip5578 I understand this but since discovering new information my opinion has changed. It says in the Bible has the potter not have power over the clay and it also says he determined things long ago. God is sovereign is over everything so nothing goes on without him permitting it. He wrote the script to life. Adam and Eve sin due to Gods script but I’ve realised you need to be able to accept that God can some how design sin (for his glory to show his justice) but in a way that makes him NOT sin

[@mirrortv364]

I am one of those who is going insane trying to comprehend what you said. On the other hand, I respect you for not dodging the question like many others do. Edit: 3 years later, today in Feb 12th 2022 (I must have written my original comment on 2019 before Covid hit), I understand God's sovereignty in a different, and more acceptable way. I believe that the solution is in what he said @4:10 like one of the comments mentioned below. I accept what I don't understand, and turn to the cross where He solved the problem of sin and gave me salvation and redemption from death. Everything else come secondary to this insight. God bless you all.

[@bencraven3101]

“It won’t drive you mad, if you say, he loves me”

[@bencraven3101]

4:10

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Because it's not biblical. He doesn't know God. No one who accuses God for all the evil in the world knows God.

[@jasont5300]

@@bobbyadkins6983 so God never predestined and had a His hand in the greatest sin and atrocity ever committed as stated in Acts 4? Who’s the one that doesn’t know God?

[@jasont5300]

@@bobbyadkins6983 it’s nice that you provide scripture for your accusations.

[@eden8831]

This is a hard topic, and if you cannot wrap your mind around it just trust. Like proverbs 3:5 says: Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.❤

[@SavedByTheBloodOfChrist551]

Yes, praise Jesus. I can submit to these truths even if I don't understand them entirely. Same way I submit to the doctrine of the Trinity, Christ's Deity/Humanity, the in-filling of the Holy Spirit in believers, and on and on. AMEN

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

It is a hard topic because Piper is totally wrong. God does not even tempt men to sin, the Bible says! This is insanity to say that God has anything to do with sin. He is righteous and holy.

[@lilyduck4538]

Yep, don't lean on your own understanding. But you can understand the kind of power Piper talks about, it's a very human centric kind of power. All about himself and complete control. Yet God doesn't say he is like that. He says that neither power, knowledge or even kindness is valuable without love. He says that he will never tempt us. He says he does not even think of our evil, let alone command it. ( Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind) So if that is hard to wrap your mind around, don't worry about it, and simply trust him

[@murraylloyd6011]

Better to reject his perversion of Gods character and believe the gospel of the bible.

[@nomfundomasuku2443]

I love this humble man of God💓💓💓🙌

[@evanu6579]

Nomfundo Masuku He preaches a satanic doctrine. He makes God out to be ore evil than Satan. Actually he makes Satan out to be a victim of God’s.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

[@rahulshinde6210]

“To argue that God is “trying His best” to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent.” A W Pink

[@jordanbelcher3353]

rahul shinde what about when Jesus says to the Jews how long I have wanted to gather you under my wings like a hen but you were not willing

[@jordanbelcher3353]

or the old testament scripture I lay before you life and death blessings and curses now choose life so that you may live or ezikial 18 do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked now choose life so that you may live why oh why will you die Israel

[@frankh.5378]

Jordan Belcher in those passages, God is speaking to a limited humans (like us) who are bound by time who is dead in sin but his word is being preached! Just as it is being done now, God's Word proclaims his desire for you to knock, seek and find, lean not on your own understanding, do not be wise in your own eyes, repent! All these are ways God is showing what he wants of us so thay we may conform to his will. But in God's perspective, as the Word proclaims, we were predestined before the creation of the world.

[@siquod]

So you say God is lying: He does indeed take pleasure in the death of the wicked, and he didn't *really* want to gather the Jews under his wings. Also I wouldn't say God is "trying is best". God is not an optimization algorithm. He desires everyone to be saved, but prefers to instill faith by more subtle methods than having angels heralding the Gospel everywhere or whatever other means one may imagine as "trying his best". Not that this would work. The only reliable way he could save everyone was puppet master level control. I think you know why it is assumed he doesn't want that. And he certainly doesn't owe it to us to "try his best". He is still just and loving and his wish (not plan!) to save everyone is honest. Mr. Pink should explain why the ability to make a moral choice implies omnipotence.

[@jaymorris9952]

Well then your whole belief system is wrong, because the bible clearly teaches that it's God's will for all to be saved. But it also teaches that only few will be saved. So yeah, you have a problem. 1 Timothy 2:3,4: This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth

[@jessegavigan7966]

This fact that God knows our sins even before we were formed in the womb makes me realize how much he really loves me that he would still want to create me knowing about my dirty sin. He sent his son to die for our sins that we can be made righteous in his suffering. God's gift of free will is so amazing that nobody on earth will be able to comprehend until we get to heaven. THANK YOU JESUS

[@kaitlyn-gracesmith7923]

Ok but why not make you without sin?

[@jsbaldo5556]

@@kaitlyn-gracesmith7923 lol Do you not know the story? Through the first man and women sin entered the world by the choice they made to disobey God, Sin was then inherited by every man and women from there, Jesus came and obeyed every command and did not sin, He shed his blood as a substitute for our sin, So by his blood God no longer sees us as sinners but we recieve the rightousness of jesus, God in the flesh, His begotten son, His living word, He rose three days later so that by faith we will be forgiven and rise to, Now the interesting part is, He mentions "Just as by one man (adam) ALL were made sinners Now By One mans Rightousness (perfection) All are made Perfect/rightous, Jesus healed the wound opened by adam and eve, Faith in him causes us to recieve HIS perfection, It is the GIFT of God, not of anything you can do but what God did for you, the commandments were a teacher to show us we are IMPERFECT and NEED to be saved, Jesus FULFILLED the entire law, he was not born a sinner, he was perfect completly and being God he was able to fully save forever those who call on his name.

[@JesusChristIsLord__]

Thank you. All we have to remember is God loved us so much He sent His only begotten son for you and for me and for everyone who would believe in Him.

[@johnsivertsen7846]

Thank You for being . Thank You Lord for this True preacher . Love to you all for the word .

[@Mike-qt7jp]

In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

[@sonicgauge1]

This scrambles my brain.. the more I try to make sense of such things the more elusive it gets...

[@johnneufeld]

Same here dude sometimes I feel crazy trying to figure out how God works😅 I’m just gonna have faith and let God do the work.

[@caraisabelladeborah]

“These things have driven people mad”

[@muhammadamjad2614]

Same here... seems like no clear answer anywhere

[@Yuno08888]

@@muhammadamjad2614 hopefully you're not learning about allah here cause if you are. My duuude, Allah works in a very different way.

[@muhammadamjad2614]

@@Yuno08888 And what that way is? can you explain My duuude

[@jeremygreenidge5209]

This is reassuring. It makes me feel better that after the many mistakes that I've made in my life, they were still in God's plans. For my betterment in the long run. After a lot of trials and tribulations and suffering, I realized that God merely allowed me to go through them for a lighter path. This woman left me and I was heartbroken, but He knew she wasn't good for me. It wouldn't have ended well. He looks out for his children every step of the way. Even if it doesn't seem like it.

[@evanu6579]

Jeremy Greenidge Does it make you feel better that god uses certain people to rape little children? I was going to say that god uses wicked perverts to rape children, but they didn’t really have any choice in the matter either, so they’re more or less victims in all of this as well.

[@maluill]

@@evanu6579 everyone is a victim even Satan

[@msliberated3899]

@@MateoAZ it absolutely is! Trust God on this!! He knows better❤Don’t lean on your own understanding, it will get you in trouble for decades or forever

[@123456stronzo]

this so called god is a menace to human beings and animals as well, people should not be selfish, just because a certain thing goes your way, look at all the misery in the world, especially concerning innocent children ,his so called plan if it ever existed stinks to high heaven

[@123456stronzo]

@@MateoAZ you should have better things to worry about ,were not all Brad Pitt ,and it probably happened to him as well at some point ,were all on our own ,believing in a god is a waste of time

[@ggates5371]

When I try, I fail. When I stop trying, I succeed. Blessed is the name of the Lord.

[@tomasbenedict8612]

Thank you for your admonition to not follow my heart. This is very good advice and I try to remind myself always in light of Jer.17:9 that I cannot trust my heart. I trust only what the word of God reveals to be true about it.

[@gregorycallaway9537]

just because God knows your choice doesn't mean you can't still make it.

[@Pastor-Brettbyfaith]

Amen!

[@rickbaker261]

No one has argued otherwise. But, since God infallibly and exhaustively knows what will occur...you will make that choice, and you can not have chosen otherwise

[@2900405]

gregory callaway there are infinite factors to influence your choices so it's not your fault if you take bad decisions due to your ignorance and the fact that you're not perfect

[@anepicflyingbrick_4872]

From our pov we can still choose, but from God's, there is no choice.

[@JerrySpanglerJr]

Exactly. Well said. That, the freedom for man to choose right and wrong, is actually where the REAL "mystery" of God's sovereignty resides.

[@marcelniles342]

How great is our GOD...❣❣❣

[@DashieNCheekie]

Not great at all

[@heymilli]

@@DashieNCheekie Infinitely great!

[@hassantucker8273]

That’s total control and knowing that lifts the spirit. Because if you leave it up to us to have total control with our ego in charge may God help us all.

[@patriciaasaylor5835]

Thank U so much..I just happen to find U here on Utube..I love your messages God's Blessing Be with U🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@marykinuthia5780]

Glory to God, awesome, no wonder we are told to fear God.

[@TrueLifeAdventures]

"And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." Jeremiah 32:35 Put that in your Piper and smoke it.

[@johnbrodeur3528]

Check out luke10:31 ...by chance

[@restoredtheology3689]

This is very good John. Comforting as well.

[@shali2000]

Every time I see Piper's video there is an argument going on these comment. I also have tried to argue with someone and its pointless. Bible is very simple to me at least. Love people Love God Serve Other with Love that has given to us By Jesus. I just think its waste of energy and time to argue when we can go out to the world and love others. Love, Faith, Hope that's what we should hold on to. First and most of all is love.

[@mesisson]

Gotta watch your words here. God isn't the author of sin. Sometimes our attempts to define the ways of God come across as double-talk.

[@rnbear]

If God is not in total control, he is a limited god and one whom would leave us with much doubt and uncertainty regarding our salvation in one who can't control the day from the night. But that is not the God of the Bible. He is bound by no limitations. He is ALMIGHTY and SOVEREIGN. (Genesis 15:20; 1 Chronicles 29:11; Proverbs 19:21, 16:9, 16:4; Jeremiah 29:11; Ephesians 1:11; Isaiah 55:8-11; etc)

[@madambutterfly7513]

Mark Sisson - God is not sin, I totally agree

[@JonathanGrandt]

Rachel Bear God is infinitely intelligent. He doesn’t need to be a puppet master.

[@zacharyspickard8108]

@@JonathanGrandt God is the only being that has libertarian free will. We are creatures that God has all control. In Daniel 4, it talks about how God does according to his will and that no one can say to him why did u do that. God's will overrides the creatures free will. Just as Piper said if we stay with the cross we will see.

[@RichardCranium.]

Calvinists are perverts. They believe God is a "sovereign" puppeteer.

[@SELLINGNEWHAVEN]

"God does all for his Glory, which is our Glory" I like that !

[@iyadmerhi2297]

Look to Genesis 50:20

[@livingforjesus8551]

So, God made that person rape those kids, for his glory. No, I think not. So, God made that person to be prideful, and made that person to lust, for his glory. I think not, because scripture tells us, that pride and lust come from the world.

[@joeyrchapa]

Piper says, “At the center to the solution of the problem is a choice YOU have to make about the cross”? If God determines everything how does that work? It’s contradictory.

[@Key-ps2iy]

Free will is the ability to choose something freely, the ability to want to do something. It’s not the ability to act on your own without God. That’s important to understand God is omniscient and omnipotent and of course that means that everything that is happening in this world is caused by him, he wills and does everything, otherwise he wouldn’t be God. So yes, according to the Bible everything is pure fate and predetermined. If you say, that this kind of predetermined world doesn’t make sense, then you don’t understand what it means to be a creator and what it means to be its creation. It automatically means it’s only important what God wants, not what his creation wants. As a creator you can wreck your creation or not like I destroy the gift wrap and get rid of it but keep the present. It’s not important what the gift wrap wants, it’s important what I who just wants to keep the present wants. When I complain that everything is predestined and God does what he wants, it's like my gift wrap complaining about why I do what I want. Also, Saying people could choose to sin is very stupid. It’s funny because that thought denies God. Only God is holy, only he can give you the ability not to sin. People who are like Yeah, but Satan chose to sin that’s why God will punish him with hell is so weird. In the beginning every living being God created didn’t sin at all by his protection. Now you want to tell me there is some kind of creation of God like an angel who is like „No God, I don’t care about your protection. I will sin now“ hahahah what’s that being who can do that. That would mean that today everyone in heaven could do the same thing the devil did in heaven. No difference. Revelation 17,17 Philippians 2,13 Romans 9,19

[@davidw5441]

I love the fact that though God is sovereign we are responsible. I wouldn't want to pray to God if He didn't control everything and everyone. I love you Jesus only because you first loved me.

[@livingforjesus8551]

So, you are telling me, that God controlled that person to rape those kids? He controlled that person ti be trans, and to shoot up that Christian school, killing three adults, and three kids? You are telling me that God controlled that person to be prideful, and to lust after that other person, even though scripture tells us, that pride and lust comes from the world? God is in control, byt he doesn't control everything.

[@chutdiggadigga]

Biblical events requiring sovereign intention for evil works in a good purpose can not necessarily be extrapolated to everything

[@HangingHabagat2005]

What do you mean? all things mean all things In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, Ephesians 1:11 ESV bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.11.ESV

[@SerendipitousProvidence]

Your definition of evil is objectively wrong then. Sin and evil are whatever that is contrary to God's nature, God's definition of these terms is the objective truth. Think of God's morality as a perfect object to be imitated, you use it as the standard or the ruler to measure your imitation, not otherwise

[@TheeeGrappler]

Foreknowing and predetermining are different

[@superdude1408]

I think this might be the key

[@perrysingh917]

Also, foreknowledge is not causative.

[@JesterStuttle]

Foreknowledge and not causative is not sovereign. Foreknowing of God (in the peers down the corridors sense) also suggests God is bound by time. Making God subject to time, makes time a god, in which God is subjected to. Is God the creator of time or has it always been?

[@vdrmusicofficial]

Foreknowledge does not suggest God is bound by time. He has foreknowledge precisely BECAUSE He is outside of time. We see time linearly as we go from past to present to future in our lives, but He stands outside of it and sees it all at once. That is why He foreknew us because He sees the end from the beginning.

[@trispytreems]

Not 'always' I would say. I would say that God predetermined what would happen, but He surely didn't intend or want it all to happen. His giving of choice is real I believe... God doesn't pretend to give us a choice to sin or not to sin, He does and our nature does what it does.

[@mikem4883]

This is the best explanation of God's Sovereignty over everything including the crucifixion I ever heard. Thank you

[@123456stronzo]

this guy is pinocchio ,what a bunch of crap ,did god tell him in person or call him on the phone ,how the hell does he know

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

[@mikem4883]

@@Mike-qt7jp hi Mike. Not even a sparrow falls to the ground without God's consent. We know that God does not tempt with sin but look at these two verses. I chronicals 21:1 and 2 Sam 24:1. God tempts no one but uses Satan and others. On 2peter 3:9 we see in verse 8 that Peter is writing to the brethren ( the elect). The beginning chap 1 we see his audience for the writing also is the Saints. Anyway. We may have a difference, but, as long as Jesus Christ is your Savior and you wish to produce fruit for His glory, then I love you brother, no matter what. And I thank you for your efforts to correct me, even if my thoughts are different. Doctrine does not save us, nor works of any kind. The Gospel of Grace alone produces good works and the desire to please God. God allows much, like the crucifixion, yet even that was ordained Acts 4.. So we’re you. eph 1:4 God bless you. Mike

[@Mike-qt7jp]

I am not interpreting anything, just quoting scripture. It says, God did NOT command the people to make high places to sacrifice their children to Baal, and yet, they did. By the way, you said, "Not even a sparrow falls to the ground without God's consent." Consent is NOT the same as causing it to happen. You are not really addressing this direct Quote from the Bible: ", “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” I am not really arguing with you, just the idea of "Hyper Calvinism." God tells Adam and Eve, do not eat from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and yet He makes them eat from that very tree, since as per Calvinism, EVERYTHING is God's will. God gives the Ten Commandments, thou shall have no other gods before me, and then makes people worship false gods. God says, do not take God's name in vain, and then makes countless millions do that very thing. God says, do not kill, steal, commit adultery etc and then makes countless millions do the very things He says, don't do. A serial child molesting rapist/murderer is simply doing what God has ordained for him to do? You think of all the evil that is perpetrated on innocent people by evil, wicked, satanically driven individuals, and you want me to believe that God 's will is being carried out? The Bible says, God is holy, righteous, and full of mercy. AND the Bible says, God is love. God's will is not being carried out, at least not in the way Calvinists say. @@mikem4883

[@mikem4883]

@@Mike-qt7jp hi Mike Good to hear from you, my brother. I truly believe in God's sovereignty and that ALL things will work together for good. I don't pretend to understand it all, but, it’s a scary thing to believe God is wringing His hands in world events or even in tragic crimes. God could stop all of it. Isa 45:7 case in point. Or ordering JOsHUA to kill every man, woman, beast, in Jerico, or killing all but 8 in-the flood. And wars? Ordained . God lessens the restraints, and today we see what man is capable of. God hardens hearts, ( Pharaoh) or saves whom He chooses. Eph 1:4, acts 13:48, etc. God did not cause Adam nor Eve to sin. Satan did. God tested Job-with Satan. God ordained Judas to betray Christ, and for the exact change. 30 pcs of silver. Anyway, If I am wrong, I am still glad I worship a God who has total control of events and people, and will judge the evil doers. Acts 17 he chose the bounds of our habitation, our birth and death, before we were ever born. Anyway, I hope you will have a blessed day. As far as God ordaining everything, , I believe He has His perfect ordained will, and has also ordained permissive will ,and that only to a point where God draws the line. Romans 9 is all about it. Well for now, take care. Mike

[@BT3701]

If God predetermined the sin I commit then why am I held responsible for it and eternally damned for something God predetermined that I should commit?

[@amandah.2202]

Exactly if he made us sinners why is he taking it out in us? And then why do Christians say babies are born pure if we all are destined to sin? Also sin is determined by what society says is a sin not god ..... the Bible has been manipulated and changed to fit the man in powers agenda

[@BT3701]

@@amandah.2202 Somethings we now no longer consider to be sin were considered to be sin in earlier years. If we say that sin is what society says it is, then that means that what is and isn't sin has an evolving standard. But God is the one who sets the standard of right and wrong and his standard doesn't change. What God said was sin years ago is still sin in God's eyes today.

[@amandah.2202]

BT3701 exactly my point sin isn’t what gods says sins are it’s created by human

[@BT3701]

@@amandah.2202 Man wouldn't know what is and isn't sin unless God had first told us what it was by giving us 10 Commandments

[@amandah.2202]

Did you not say sin changes?

[@littlelylygirl]

Now that makes me think about the passages in the Old Testament when God says "I will harden his heart". I never really realised what it meant.

[@trebmaster]

Just remember the verses before that say Pharaoh hardened his own heart. At a certain point, God began hardening as a judgment for Pharaoh first hardening it himself.

[@RegretsOf27band]

Right, you're headed in the right direction. We can never fully understand God but only with what He has revealed to us through His word. In the bible we find the sovereignty of God. I thank that my salvation doesn't rest in the fact that "I chose it", but rather that God has chosen me.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

God chooses anyone whose repents. The Bible is very clear

[@maluill]

@@rocketsurgeon1746 Imagine 9 years later dudes an atheist 😂. Point is no one could know they were "chosen" if they were "chosen".

[@katym.8250]

Please hope no one like this ever comes to comfort you after a horrific tragedy. Just know God is there comforting you.

[@L.Fontein7]

No, for me it's just the opposite. Think about it this way... If God does orchestrate everything including the tragedies, that means He is in them with us and there's a reason that he orchestrated those tragedies even though we don't understand why or why me. Better that than a God who stands off to the sidelines wringing his hands because he's left things to chance or because he's not behaving as a sovereign in control of everything. If God is in everything then there's a reason and utility for it for us or others even though we often don't understand the why of it or even like it. But if God isn't in control of it then that means that we can't count on Him for anything really and what happened was not done to us with any particular purpose or reason in mind.

[@AnAn-wp5rk]

Thank you pastor John 🙏

[@Idontlikethisever]

It's so seductive to talk about all this. Blessed the men or women that understand that not everything we can explain not all is revealed to us. Only what is nessisary to find and believe in jesus

[@RobertEMason]

Thank you for this heartfelt explanation

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Heartfelt???? Far from it.

[@brandonmack8573]

I love you John piper I'm not a calvanist and even though we don't hold to the same view of soteriology I still see you as a brother.

[@KeithThompson52]

Listen, to all the naysayers let me ask you something; What exactly does it mean to be God? Think about what it means to actually be the creator. People who say that they don’t like the idea of God having predestined every single aspect of life are actually saying that they do not desire a God who is in complete control which is another way of saying “I desire to suppress who God is/or I hate God”. Either God is omnipotent and omniscient or he’s not God, there is no in-between. Secondly, if you truly understand Grace, having a God that is not in complete control is absolutely terrifying and leaves much doubt to our very own salvation. This erroneous view of God is derived from Men making God out to be small, somewhat equal to themselves.

[@CanadianOrth]

God Is powerful enough to create agents with self determining movements of the will. Omniscience doesn't require a decree for knowledge. Knowing is not determining. Calvinism does not allow even Christ to have free human will. Monoenergism and Monotheletism are old and condemned heresies.

[@KeithThompson52]

+CanadianOrth wrong, repent!

[@CanadianOrth]

+Keith Thompson Keith, hand waving will not correct Calvinism's defective Christology. This shows up often, like MacArthur insisting for decades that the Son is not eternally generated. And go ask Sproul why it is that he refuses to admit that God died on a cross. And why is it that Piper insists that evil is necessary....even for God, and that the full effulgence of his glory requires someone to mete out wrath upon. Tell the Holy Trinity that creation and evil are necessary amid the most pure loving communion and perichoresis of the divine Persons, having need of nothing.

[@KeithThompson52]

Repent

[@CanadianOrth]

+Keith Thompson I repented by forsaking Reformed Christology, which confuses Person and Nature and ends up Nestorianizing. Even the Lutherans have rightly charged you with this for centuries.

[@jdubrey77]

How comforting... we are in HIS palm.

[@maluill]

Or under his fist, depending on your predestination of course, so chill and wait and see

[@daisycakes9309]

Soooooooo encouraging!!! I totally needed to be reminded. Thank you!. Soli Deo Gloria

[@johndisalvo6283]

"God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all" 1 John 1:5 My God did NOT predetermine sin.

[@Android-ds9ie]

Your god is different than my god ha ha

[@scottleary8468]

@john disalvo "Therefore [God] has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens" (Romans 9:18). Explain the obvious meaning of that verse away with your Arminian theology!

[@scottleary8468]

@@lightisgreaterthandarkness Obviously you have never read any Calvinist writings! Calvinism does not teach that God is the author of sin but He is sovereign over sin! Nothing can happen unless God sovereignly wills it, even the sinful acts of human beings. Otherwise, we are left with a limited deistic "god" and not the supreme "God" described in Scripture! Jude 4 even says that apostates are "foreordained" or "marked out for this condemnation."

[@stephaniesykesdavis]

Yes he did. He created evil.

[@johndisalvo6283]

Stephanie Sykes-Davis You’re a deluded woman, drunk on calvinism

[@eperon]

I can’t comprehend it all, but I’ll continue to trust God.

[@izahrawr1246]

I don't think it's correct brother. There's different angles to this misunderstanding. 1. Faith is not a work, as Calvinists keep saying. That's opposite of what the Bible says 2. Just because God foreknows the future, does not mean it has been determined and forced by God. Freewill and foreknowledge are both possibly in coexistence, no contradiction 3. Just because God can't do morally good things does not mean man can't understand what's right or wrong. Man has the law in his heart to convict, even as a non-believer, (Roms 1). Faith does not give God a command, as Calvinists say. Faith does not rob God's glory because man willfully using his faith is exactly part of God's plan and makes relationships genuine. God wants us to choose him. 4. Various scriptures show God saying he is good to all, mercy is for all and God loves all, even love to your enemies, yes even those who hate God. It's not farfetched that God reaches out to his enemies or those that don't want God

[@chan-qs9zo]

​@@izahrawr1246faith is a work. John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent

[@izahrawr1246]

@@chan-qs9zo I seriously think that was sarcastic. The whole of the scriptures show that faith is not a work. The book of James speaks about making Faith and Works as opposites in glory and in different categories. You get saved by faith, not works. That's fairly clear

[@brandonwhite8996]

​@@chan-qs9zoNot only is faith a work, but it is the work of God!

[@ctcampbell]

God is in the heavens and He does all that He pleases

[@SpotterVideo]

Did God cause Satan to rebel against Him? Did God make Adam eat of the forbidden fruit? Did God make Cain kill his brother? If God is the author of sin, why does He compel men to "repent"? Foreknowledge of men making certain choices, does not make God the author of those choices.

[@Android-ds9ie]

@@SpotterVideo yes he does everything

[@MrBazinthenow]

@@Android-ds9ie It pleases God that man chooses to believe the Gospel .

[@Android-ds9ie]

Really

[@jasmeetstudiesmotivation230]

God stands for greatest omnipresent dimensionless

[@nachoooooo800]

If God determines everything, then He sent Christ to redeem the very sins he determined to happen... He has to redeem his own choices?

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

How dare you show inconsistencies with Calvinism! Who are you oh man? :-)

[@GunnersStudio]

@@rocketsurgeon1746 you think your smart , you dont even truly know what Calvinism says for sure ..... ask yourself this question , " as dumb as i am , and as dumb as i can be , if i can seem to find inconsistencies with Calvinism why those great reformers seem to miss this thing? " nd then search and enlighten urself with what they said bout it , smh

[@tayooyinda1225]

Yes! so glad you shared this scripture!

[@alwayslookingatself]

I like what he said about the dangers of people getting arrogant with the doctrine, & using it to club people. This tends to push people away & inflates ones pride.

[@ptperry9013]

Exactly, yes, thank you. Plus, does it really make a difference? As long as we can identify with the true gospel, don’t we have Jesus in common? Isn’t that enough? It’s like my 7 and 10 year old arguing over what Heaven looks like; it’s interesting to think about I guess, but it’s an argument going nowhere!!

[@rocio8851]

Dear calvinists! Have you ever tried to live consistent with Piper's view on God's sovereignty? I lived for one month and a half. It was the most terrible time of my life. I was struggling with ups and downs and asking myself why God didn't choose me? Why should I pray for my brother who is not saved if God didn't choose him? I was a student at theology preparing to go into ministry. Why should I preach the Gospel of everything is predetermined? Thank God He saved me from that thinking.

[@eagleclan75]

So what's your point? You are elected if you believe and have real faith. The difference is that you believe its your doing or you made the decision to be saved. The bible says that brfore the universe was made he chose us. Even if you believe it was all your doing how do you know it wasn't all predetermined? You don't know... After All no one comes to Christ unless the farther draws them. If God who holds the visible and invisible in place draws someone then I'm pretty sure they come. You tried for a month and a half living like a calvinist? So what your saying is that you couldn't just let go of pride? You have to be in control? You have to save your family members. You you you you You? I choose to except the fact that God is in control of everything and if one is saved they will at some point receive the gosple from someone because it's just what supposed to happen.

[@abisamraj4408]

@@eagleclan75 your god is an asshole

[@MrBazinthenow]

@@eagleclan75 where does it say that you were chosen to be saved before the universe was formed ?

[@MrBazinthenow]

Where does it say in the bible that the father draws people after the cross ?

[@pbuckets9242]

The exact same thing happened to me.

[@rideforrestride]

2790 Comments. I would say people are still really interested in this. Thanks for the vid.

[@jackcross8616]

I understand the issues some have with these ideas but for me it leads me to having a stronger desire to worship God

[@josephgoudreau7425]

Nothing is random although we perceive our lives to be random it is not, thank God life isn't meaningless!

[@dver89]

Piper: "Everything, including every sinful thing, is ultimately governed by God." Also Piper: "The center of the solution to the problem is a choice you have to make about the cross" Someone explain to me how God can predetermine everything, down to the movement of a dust particle, and then Piper can say that I have a choice to make about the cross? If God predetermined everything, I can't see how there is any choice on our part.

[@timg4718]

Exactly Daniel. Well stated, my friend. I personally prefer Molinism as an explanation of God’s sovereignty. William Lane Craig describes it well and pulls Calvinism apart. The other issue I have is that Calvinism calls God the author of evil, and that everyone’s fate sealed from the conception of time. This theology caused many of my Christian friends to despise God and fall away. Mankind are responsible for our choices… We reap what we sow…Choose Jesus and reject sin… it’s up to us!

[@stevehardwick1578]

God's eternal, he knows who will reject him from before the foundation of the world. He plants the seed in the elect in order that they'll receive the gospel. Much of the scriptures we can't comprehend by either view on free will, it's above our pay grade. God used many evil people to achieve great things without them even knowing they were in his service. One day, believers will have all of these answers.

[@timg4718]

@@stevehardwick1578 I agree with you that one day we’ll know all the answers. However, I strongly disagree that God plants seeds into the elect. Do you have a verse for that?

[@stevehardwick1578]

@@timg4718 Ephesians 1 is a great example and there are many more, simply do a search.

[@stevehardwick1578]

@@timg4718 I'd suggest watching John MacArthur's videos on the subject of predestination. He's a great teacher and easy to follow.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Here is absolute proof that God does not predetermine and cause everything to happen that happens; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

[@bizmogrowth9081]

“Absolute” proof lol

[@rk5782]

People get bent out shape when it comes to this message (ie God is in control of everything) - which I can relate to. It makes me want to fall on face and ask for mercy. What other choice is there? We are nothing. God is everything. I am powerless. He is my only hope.

[@evanu6579]

Ray Kandi There is no choice at all if this is what you believe. Fall on your face and ask for mercy or kill your neighbor. It’s all God’s will for you if that’s what He manipulates you to do.

[@Deacondan240]

Yes, because Jesus loves me, he regenerated me and gives me the ability to chose to love him.

[@MrJking1962]

"choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve." I have a choice. I am not a bio-puppet. I am made in the image of God. God is not cruel and does not create beings that have no chance to escape damnation.

[@ianpaterson4956]

Remember Jesus himself said he was the friend of sinners.

[@AChristian316]

"The choice" in that verse is between two different false gods. Joshua 24:15 ESV - And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the LORD, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell.

[@nyambsdeborah8954]

@@AChristian316 Still a choice

[@nyambsdeborah8954]

@@scottleary8468 Can we choose NOT to sin?

[@nyambsdeborah8954]

@@scottleary8468 But do I have a choice in the matter of weather I lie or telling the truth. Can an unsaved person choose to do right? Not living a holy Life, but to do right. Can he choose to tell the truth. Can he choose not to rob a bank? Can he choose not to beat his wife and kids? And if so, how can he choose since God ordained Him for hell? And do we have a choice to do wrong? Or is it just Adam's sin?

[@musicprodave]

He is saying God is responsible for rape murder and heresy? absurd! Calvinism is really out there. What does he mean we have to make a “choice about the cross”?? thats a contradiction of Calvinism.

[@rudyferrell]

You'll never understand unless you're filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit told me that everything is EXACTLY the way it's supposed to be. Just because you don't know the reason , doesn't make it not true.

[@fynix.]

Choice =/= Free choice We have our own will but it is ultimately not free. We are either slaves to sin or redeemed by Christ.

[@mslyrics1321]

Thank you Pastor John

[@robtyler5074]

God doesn't make anyone sin, but he uses everything,including our sin, for His glory. We worship and serve a very big God. I am God and there is no other.. Isaiah 46:9.

[@Gokujr768]

True there are MANY places in scripture old and new testament that show God is literally in control of Literally everything that happens. no bird dies apart from his will. He has absolute tabs on everything even the numbers of hairs on our heads. Thats Amazing

[@madambutterfly7513]

Bernard boateng - Yes, God is all powerful & in control of everything, He knew all of us before we were even born - I love God & His Son, Jesus, who died for my sins & for all mankind so we may have eternal life IF we accept Him as our Savior - we have a choice ( free will), either heaven or hell, you decide before it’s too late - God bless

[@EvaElyse]

God's sovereignty is one of His most interesting and amazing attributes!

[@explodingrubberducky797]

God does not need to control everything to be sovereign

[@002kenken]

@@explodingrubberducky797 But isn't it not the meaning of sovereignty?

[@bstein9500]

​@@002kenken Sovereignty is the right to rule. It is a declaration of Kingship. 'God knows the end from the beginning' is not the same as saying God determines every step in between.

[@shepherd7744]

​@@002kenkenno it's not the meaning, sovereignty means God chooses however he wants to rule, NOT as the calvinist defines it, only in calvinism is Sovereignty described as total determinism, NO WHERE ELSE would that be defined as sovereignty. Redefining everything, that what the calvinist must do to holding to their precious doctrines that they have elevated over the Word of God

[@robert1411]

@@bstein9500what about Ephesians 1:11 (for example): God “works all things according to the counsel of His will”

[@TheCreepypro]

may our sovereign Lord be glorified!

[@user-il1hb3xp8v]

Revelation 4.11 ''For thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things and for thy pleasure they are and were created'' . Notice how he says ALL THINGS and not just some things, that us with our human understanding think are good. Shalom

[@phillippasteur3904]

I agree, Pastor Brett, both Arminianism and Calvinism in their extreme forms are unbiblical in my view. If we emphasize man's autonomous free will we end in error. No one is saved because they chose to be saved, but because God chose to save them. And the foreknowledge spoken of in Romans 8 is personal foreknowledge, not factual knowledge. Obviously He knows everything, but God foreknows the elect personally. However taken to the extreme we also end in error with the assumption that we fully grasp the mystery of God's will and purpose and that God willed sin into existence. We lose our perspective of God's absolute and infinite holiness.But God must give us the will to believe. The new birth is like the experience of Lazarus who died and whose body was in a state of decay, and yet Jesus spoke life into a rotten corpse and resurrected him to life. So it is in the regeneration of a sinner dead in trespasses and sins.

[@1974jrod]

You say, "no one is saved because they chose to be saved, but because God chose to save them." I agree to a point. God says that he loved us first. That while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Why did Christ die? To demonstrate his love towards us. Correct? Did he not say that there is no greater love than a man lay his life down for his friend. So yes God did chose to save. But men do chose. Do they not? Did not Christ say to the theif, because of YOUR BELIEF, this day shall you be with me in paradise. Additionally, I did not read where Jesus forced the woman at the well to drink. What I am saying is that I think folks need to be careful using terms like elect and predestination in regards to salvation. It is easily construed into compulsory salvation instead of God's foreknowledge about ones salvation. There is a huge difference. I am certain scripture say that it is God's will that ALL should come to the knowledge of the truth. And it seems to me that if the rich man went to hell, God's will won't always be done. And, I am very certain, scripturally speaking, God didn't elect the rich man to hell or it makes scripture contrary. Also, did you say that God willed sin into existence? I was kind of confused with that part of your statement.

[@charliehutch3533]

Who the fuck authorized your ass to speak for god? any of you? because you are in direct contradiction of Yeshua's words. yep, that's right; "the kingdom of god is within you' ' those that are blind can see, and those that can see are blind'... a fitting choice for those of you who purport to 'understand' and 'know' ...

[@phillippasteur3904]

1974jrod No, brother, my point was that hardshell 5 point calvinism leads people to the conclusion that God created evil. He.of course did not.

[@phillippasteur3904]

Charlie Hutch Jesus died for you and wants to save you! The Bible declares that no profane person such as yourself will ever enter the kingdom! Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved before it is too late!

[@1974jrod]

Phillip Bassman Yes, I don't remember specifically what we were talking about, but yes I agree. 5 point is very dangerous. It is on par with Islam in that God is the creator of evil instead of the creator of free will. I can't help how I feel, and when I realized that 5 point teaches that God in fact did predestinate some to eternal hell because he got glory from this, that's when I got as angry about "religion" as I ever had in my life. 5 point makes Jesus the father of lies instead of resting upon Satan where it belongs, and as Christ told us it belongs.

[@ronarprefect7709]

I had a thought, and it may be wrong, for--though I can claim some intelligence according to man's standards--I am an idiot when it comes to understanding God. My thought was that ALL good comes from God and that God allows evil but does not author it. Its shape, form, and extent are determined by God through His good and all-knowing influence on the universe surrounding the evil. If I am wrong in this don't fail to correct me and quote some scripture to me. It is easy for me to be wrong.

[@nothingfree3524]

this person like anybody can create answers from only what makes them comfortable as a understanding of a god which leaves those still guessing from a guesser.

[@a.nash.594]

His gift of Salvation is for ALL, but SOME choose to believe it and others do not.

[@bryanpratt5850]

No one can come to Jesus unless the Father who sent Him draws him. All whom the Father draws will come to Jesus, and Jesus will not turn away any who come to Him. Of those whom the Father gives the Son, the Son will lose none, but will raise them up at the last day.

[@sskuk1095]

To me, this is a bit too much determinism and I can not quite reconsile myself with this view!

[@graceonline320]

Thankyou Lord!!

[@ianpaterson4956]

Just come over to the provisionist side everyone, everything fits together beautifully from here.

[@zacharybeauford2244]

Is a gross extrapolation to say that because God ordained the death of His Son therefore He ordains all sin!

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

Did God know that Adam and Eve would fall? Yes He did. So why does He place them in a garden with the tree that can bring about death? I think you are missing the entire point here. God knew that you were gonna sin and those who will go to Hell, God knew about, and STILL God allowed us all to be born. He could have stopped all sin before it ever happened, but He created a tree that could cause Eve to sin, and thus all of mankind with her. God knew, and yet STILL did not stop it. Now, why would God do that? Could it be that God has purpose on sin? Could it be that God is glorified in the punishment of wickedness?

[@michaelbain399]

@@EdgeOfEntropy17 Ezekiel 33:11 does say that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. So why would he predetermine who would reject him and die in their sins?

[@seeinglight]

Michael Bain I surmise that God is glorified and honored in the exercise of bringing His perfect judgement against those He’s bound over to sin. This does not mean that He enjoys or finds pleasure in the vanquishing of those He created in His image and blessed. The esteem of God may be present when the painful justice of God is exhibited.

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

@@michaelbain399 Anytime we ask the question, "why" in relation to "why" God does things, we have only the Scripture to teach us. We cannot stand in the place of the Almighty and say "This is why God does that" because we are finite beings with very limited knowledge of God's overarching plan. The fact is, God find no pleasure in the death of the wicked because God is love and God is merciful. But that does not negate His judgment, for sin is an offense to Him, and He would be unjust in allowing wickedness to continue without judgement. Just as He is love, He is also just, and only God knows "why" He does anything at all, save for the glimpses he reveals to us in His word. God bless.

[@albinsiby729]

Don't blame him too much. Piper's tok old... and old age makes you a bit Stupid.

[@feelgoodfishingwithhenko251]

Help me with this Past John.....so God made (ordained) the crucifixion of Jesus happen...for the atonement of all the other sins He made happen (ordained)....?????, No sir....Is it not blasphemy to blame God (who hates sin) for sin? The Father who looked away from the Son because of the sin on Him???

[@Jesus_Saves_66]

Jeremiah 19:5 ~ That is something I did not command or speak about; it never even entered my mind

[@ttimetotroll]

4:00 focus on cross and humbleness when believing in God

[@saycheese6773]

Saying god predestined sin is blasphemy

[@2BLO97]

You fool you are saying god did not plan the history of the universe ? So he did what ? Create it and let it roll out the way it does and see later what comes out of it ? Of course god did plan everything in advance cause he is all knowing and all powerfull and an all powerfull and all knowing god does not let the universe do whatever it does without planning it to do according to his will.

[@Hels_95]

@@2BLO97 no. God hasnt predestined. God is all knowing (islam), therefor God knows the future. God has "written down" not what you will, but God has "written down" what are are going to do. Will and are going to are different. Will means God has predestined (you are gonna do what god said) , are going to means ( God has said what you are going to do) he just knows it beacuse well he is all knowing. He has only predicted not predestined. If God had predestined everything it wouldnt be a mistake of a child who will grow up n commit sin, beacause well, God had predestined it, therefor ppl wouldny take responsibility. So God has given us freewill. God has given us freewill so we will take responsibility for our actions. Therfor if we have freewill it means that God hasnt predestined it. This comes back to the conclusion that God has only predicted (what you are going to do) not predestined ( what you will do beacause he wants you to).

[@FutureNotFixed]

"It does not say God turned it around for good. It actually says God intended it for good." That's right. Remember, God intended it for good. It does NOT SAY that God decreed for Joseph's brothers to mistreat him. So remember that.

[@fredlada1634]

He did planned his brothers to hate on him and mistreat him, just like God gave Joseph his dreams, and place in Egypt, his time in prison and as a ruler, and his death too. And God does all of these things for each and everyone. You have no control over anything whatsoever. Dont worry man, even before Abraham was, you are, and so i am. The end game of all of this is to become gods, and that too is predetermined by God to happen, and there is no escaping it.

[@fynix.]

​@@fredlada1634? Are u Mormon

[@simonm.castrojr2787]

God gives us the earth to take dominion of. If evil is in our lives it is our fault because we our negligent of His Will and what Christ has done to Sin & Sickness. It is not Gods Will you be in Sin or be Sick. He has set us free from that Kingdom of darkness. We are free in Christ and been commanded to free others with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Thank you Jesus.

[@jeanclink8199]

I am SO glad I did not hear any of these ideas until a few years ago, when, no matter what happened, someone would say, "God is in control," absolving all wrongdoers from any personal responsibility. "God controls everything for His glory." Which would be to say that God is pleased with love he receives from people he pre-programmed to love Him - people who would have no idea how to live or even wipe their noses except it was pre-programmed for them to do it? This is a seriously twisted viewpoint. Such love is not love at all. I wouldn't want any of it.

[@johannwilder1437]

I'm shocked that all these comments seem to be saying Piper is wrong. He is actually correct. Have you not read the Bible? Paul, himself, repeatedly told the Jews (and others) that their sin of killing Christ was pre-ordained by God. Those of you who disagree with Piper here are arguing against Scripture. Is it hard to grasp? Sure. Does it seem somewhat cruel? Sure. But this is undeniably what Scripture says.

[@jeanclink8199]

Johann Wilder So, God is cruel, but deal with it, because that's what this man thinks scripture is saying? This kind of interpretation does not point to Jesus Christ. Think on this a while: "39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life."

[@Lucas747G]

Johann Wilder amen. protestants idolising the bible

[@paulwilfridhunt]

No those sins weren't pre ordained by God just because He knew they were going to happen.

[@kobidobidog]

Wrong. Corinthians 2:8. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; That is where Lucifer wanted to put the unseen Father God. That is why Jesus was crucified.

[@jesusyeshua4665]

god never created sins, the old tstament says clearly we die and have flesh because satan and his demons and our choice to follow him since the beggining... so, no, god didnt crated sins ... and god cant kill satan neither, because demons and angelsare astral body (spirit) so they cant be killed even by god, they have been created to last for ever (that's why he casted out lucifer, because lucifer has no flesh and that's why during exorcism you cast out demons and do not kill them because they are spirit not flesh... god wouldnt have sent his son dying on the cross if he coul just kill satan...

[@ianandpeejisiderio5060]

Few things to reflect on: The defense of "free will" hinges on the argument that man is born into this world "neutral" - having the "autonomy", to choose for himself, apart from either influences of God or the devil, to either do good or bad... Is this Biblical? A white lie and a murder, both are of equal gravity in God's court - and so is the sin that fuels disobedience, questions divine authority - the sin of Pride. So When God says He is Sovereign, what does He really mean by that? Do we say "Amen" to that or do we get offended by it, or simply say, "it depends"? Does His authority cover all things or does His jurisdiction end where man's "free will" begins? Is He the Ordainer of things or is He, just like man, "beholden" to what He, as many of us conveniently refer to it, "foresaw in advance"? And since He has surrendered to man the outcome of his own free will, can man "actually" derail God's agenda? Lastly, when Jesus died on the cross and uttered the words, "It is finished", did He actually finished the work of salvation or just made man "savable"? Does a slave (in bondage to sin) have the freedom to determine his fate? Is a dead person able to make himself hear, see, understand and receive the gospel, without the awakening of the Holy Spirit? And is a dead person, made alive in Christ, choose to remain dead afterwards? Is Christ's saving grace not powerful enough to snatch and keep him out of the grave? May the Holy Spirit illumine our hearts and minds as we ponder on these questions and may He help us see the glory of the Father and the Son beyond the horror of the Cross! God bless!

[@snowboard927]

Thank you for your thoughts, sir.

[@JohnQPublic11]

All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely two-bit players; stumbling through their assigned roles, the elect, the un-elect, the good, the bad, the ugly, mere mindless robots, mere mindless puppets with the Calvinist god as master puppeteer, mere mindless muppets with the Calvinist god engineering the freak show inside a swirling morass of garbage in an ocean of sewage performing 7 billion simultaneous roles, as HIMSELF! And in the demented mind of the Calvinist cultist the Calvinist god wrote/arranged/produced and STARS IN all of this for glory, the Calvinist gods glory and the Calvinist gods sadistic pleasure! And you wonder why we think and know Calvinists are stark raving mad nutters!!!

[@JohnQPublic11]

BE --- Did you watch the first 14 seconds of this video?

[@fantom5894]

"A white lie and a murder, both are of equal gravity in God's court"? No, they are not. Ever hear of venial sin and mortal sin?

[@siquod]

I find the Calvinist conception of "sovereignty" quite strange. Who is more sovereign: A) Someone who has to predetermine everything, lest he would not be considered sovereign if the slightest thing occurs apart from his orders, or B) Someone who brings to pass whatever he wants, even though others are trying to work against him? To me, its clearly B, even if I don't factor in that A is blasphemous.

[@tomasbenedict8612]

good one! I'll have to remember that one.

[@rdftreeman]

Awesome video, piper. Keep it up

[@stephenglasse2743]

Just because God predetermined the death of his son which resulted in the redemption of creation it doesn't follow that all events e.g. Syrians being tortured and killed by Isis are ordained by God. The quote from proverbs seems very weak because (1) a dice is not the most random thing one could think of and (2) it probably refers to numbers 26 and the stones of the ephod which were used to determine YHWHs will. God explicitly ordained these as a means to determine his will. It doesn't follow that God determines the fall of every dice in lasvegas!!!!

[@simeonvvv]

+Stephen Glasse exactly Stephen.... Ezekiel 18:23. They have no explanation for that-but people who are Calvinists are literally addicted to their "chosen" status, and are not spiritually capable of understanding because they do not know or serve the same God we do- they serve their god of "Theology"....

[@siquod]

So, where does the bible say it was God who made them into vessels of wrath? Paul uses the passive voice in Romans 9 to describe them.

[@jackshadow325]

Calvinism is self contradictory. “You have to make a choice...” “Everything was predestined...”

[@ErynIstar]

Our human minds cannot comprehend it but it is true. It seems like contradiction but somehow there is a harmony between mans free will and Gods Sovereignty over the whole Universe.

[@davidw.4524]

It's simple we have laws in the constitution (predetermined?) , we know exactly what will follow if we break them(fate) but most still don't give a damn and breaks them anyways (choice). So de we blame the law makers, the law breakers or the choice they made?

[@blazeovich]

Feeling you sir.

[@aintthatstormy]

Thank you so much:)))

[@olivercromwell9294]

Nice! Thanks John, now I'll continue in my besetting sin because God predestined it, which means He condones it. (Even though the Bible tells me to repent of sins for fellowship...)

[@bobbymanao4825]

Just do it. It means you have never been regenerated..

[@TrueLifeAdventures]

@@bobbymanao4825 Well, if the person did continue in it wouldn't they be following God's meticulous divine control and thus doing God's will? Who are you, oh man, to talk back to God?

[@nyambsdeborah8954]

@@TrueLifeAdventures 😂😂🤣🤣! Exactly. I just want to do what God has predestined and decreed

[@jacobzosangliana8443]

Our righteousness is only in the righteousness of Christ, its an alien righteousness. To know that God determined all my besetting sins makes me feel secure because i know that God will direct them to keep me humble and to have faith in christ only for my salvation. It is good to know that God will keep me that way untill the day i will be free from sin in the glorious day less i boast in my own righteousness. This does not refute God's command to repent. Repentance is a grace of a lifetime, it is not a one time thing. We repent each day, dying to sin and turning to Christ our righteousness each day till we die.

[@KosinskiStudio]

@@jacobzosangliana8443 "Bear fruit or else...................!"

[@ROYBOY322]

If everything is predetermined, doesnt that prove that free will is just an illusion? That directly contradicts christian belief.

[@karmasutra4774]

Then what was the point of it all? Agree that is strange

[@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG]

It does. Trust me don't be a calvinist lol

[@Key-ps2iy]

Free will is the ability to choose something freely, the ability to want to do something. It’s not the ability to act on your own without God. That’s important to understand God is omniscient and omnipotent and of course that means that everything that is happening in this world is caused by him, he wills and does everything, otherwise he wouldn’t be God. So yes, according to the Bible everything is pure fate and predetermined. If you say, that this kind of predetermined world doesn’t make sense, then you don’t understand what it means to be a creator and what it means to be its creation. It automatically means it’s only important what God wants, not what his creation wants. As a creator you can wreck your creation or not like I destroy the gift wrap and get rid of it but keep the present. It’s not important what the gift wrap wants, it’s important what I who just wants to keep the present wants. When I complain that everything is predestined and God does what he wants, it's like my gift wrap complaining about why I do what I want. Also, Saying people could choose to sin is very stupid. It’s funny because that thought denies God. Only God is holy, only he can give you the ability not to sin. People who are like Yeah, but Satan chose to sin that’s why God will punish him with hell is so weird. In the beginning every living being God created didn’t sin at all by his protection. Now you want to tell me there is some kind of creation of God like an angel who is like „No God, I don’t care about your protection. I will sin now“ hahahah what’s that being who can do that. That would mean that today everyone in heaven could do the same thing the devil did in heaven. No difference. Revelation 17,17 Philippians 2,13 Romans 9,19

[@LitoLochoss]

Not really bible never hints free will

[@BabliucAlina]

@@Key-ps2iy so i can’t blame the wrapping paper for going to hell if I do whatever I want with it just because I want to. Sure, it’ll go to hell, but in that case, I can’t blame it

[@chrisschene8301]

I see it from this perspective: I am a mere man and how could I possibly understand the Almighty God and how He accomplishes His will? How could I, a being who lives in time and only understands time, presume to understand the Almighty who has had no beginning and no end and lives outside time? I know what He tells me to do through the scriptures and that is simple for me to grasp!

[@jtbruchaurd3024]

He said it!! "Every horrible thing and every sinful thing is governed by God". And then he said God planned the worst wickedness in history. Can you imagine this guy being your public spokesman???!!!!!!!!!

[@DougCameraMan]

Do you treat other people's children as well as you treat your own? No. You don't mistreat them but you don't love them in the same way that you love and correct your own. Some people are God's children and some people are the devil's children. Jesus made this very clear as the gospel of St. John tells it. Jesus told a group of people who mocked him that they couldn't hear his words, they couldn't believe him. He knew that they weren't deaf, so why did he tell them they couldn't hear him? Because they were not God's children, but instead, they were children of the devil. He went on to say that if they were God's children they would hear him. So if there were two groups of people then, there have always been two groups of people. When you understand this very basic principle that we are not all alike no matter what the world tells us, it can begin to help you make sense of it all. The next time you hear someone say that all people are God's children, you should know that they are contradicting what Jesus taught. You either believe Jesus or you don't.

[@siquod]

"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to *become* children of God". You seem to assume some people as babies are already better persons than the rest. No. We're all born depraved sinners. We need to be born again to become God's children. Before that, we aren't.

[@FutureNotFixed]

Norse god worship has been overthrown. The One true God who made heaven and earth who shall have no other gods before him has revealed himself in history through the prophets, in great signs and in sending his Son Jesus Christ who was raised from the dead in accordance with the oracles of the Holy Prophets. This is the God who said his dominion will be over all the earth. His reign shall not end and he will show all the gods of the nations to be false. He has done so, and after singularity comes, Jesus will return. God's glory will be known everywhere and the gods of the nations will be but a sad memory in history.

[@tomasbenedict8612]

Matthew Henry "The divine Providence orders and directs those things which to us are perfectly casual and fortuitous. Nothing comes to pass by chance, nor is an event determined by a blind fortune, but every thing by the will and counsel of God. What man has neither eye nor hand in God is intimately concerned in."

[@OpenTruthMinistry]

I love it.

[@justin____2882]

Teaching that God Predestines and decrees all things that come too pass is a very blasphemous and demonic teaching. It is literally accusing God of being the author of sin. the Calvinist God is not the God of the bible.

[@joenbjerregaard7816]

God is only one residing outside "the farm", therefore the only one with free will.

[@marcelniles342]

It still amazes me that DESIRING GOD has not yet decided to close the comments section...

[@Lili-Benovent]

They won't close the comments section because it brings them KZbin money, God loves money.

[@jtbruchaurd3024]

Can you imagine this guy leading and teaching people? We are screwed.