What Made It Okay for God to Kill Women and Children In the Old Testament?

[@motherofangels1710]

I have lost 3 of my children, they perished by no fault of their own. The despair left me angry and lost for many years. Then one day I encountered a homeless man, he was very tall with grey almost white hair & beard and his skin had been hardened by the sun. He approached me & asked if he had heard right if in fact I had just lost my 3 child. I nodded yes. He said to me : Many years ago when I was a young man, I awoke to thick smoke billowing all around me. It was so thick I couldn't breath and could barely find my way outside. As I lay on my lawn gasping for air I heard "Daddy Daddy" being cried out. In my confusion I realized my child was still inside. By this time flames were 15 feet high and all the windows had been blown out. I scrambled to my feet and took off to save my boy but a force knocked me down. I fought it then another force jolted me and another, It was neighbors piling on top of me preventing me from returning to the inferno. I screamed and fought I had to save my boy but they would not get off of me. It took 8 or more men to hold me back. By the time the fire crew arrived there was nothing left of my home and my 2 yr old son had perished. I lost myself that day, I walked away from any and everything I ever knew. I spent the next 35 years on the streets drunk and miserable. I just wanted to die and be with my son, I was freezing one night and on my knees I cried out to God to just take me already and end my suffering. A great sense of calmness came over me which I had not felt in those 35 years, and Jesus spoke to me loud and clear like a speaker in my head and said my son did not parish to punish me and God does not do bad things to people however he does allow bad things to happen and if I were a great force wanting to destroy my enemy (people with good hearts that do their best to be good to others) would I not go after those I felt threatened by the most? What good would it be if I simply went after those that already had darkened their hearts as they would no longer be a threat. Then Jesus reminded me that this life is only temporary, a drop in the bucket compared to what awaits and my son will be there waiting for me. It was not my time to join him yet as I had work to do still. And I felt the intense all consuming our creator has for his children. Then with a jolt sort of woke up. I never touched a drop of liquor since. I walk in color now and go where God takes me. The man let me hug him and I bawling by now got in my car and wept for a long time. His story touched my heart and soul and helped me crawl out of the abyss I was lost in. I asked later to the manager and clerk that were there the day he told me his story and nobody could recall ever seeing him, which would be practically impossible considering he was well over 6' 6" with white long hair and well worn jeans and my sobbing had not exactly been quiet. Never saw him again either but I'll never forget him or his message.

[@freespeech4all723]

I'm so sorry for your loss. 😢 I can't imagine. Your 3 children are in the Lord's care for now and are waiting for you. May God give you peace 🙏🙏🙏

[@motherofangels1710]

@@freespeech4all723 Thank you

[@Daniel.Emmanuel10]

That’s so sad. God bless you.

[@motherofangels1710]

@@Daniel.Emmanuel10 Thank you, God Bless you as well.

[@MiltonMoJunction]

So this sadistic god just took your children and you suffered for 35 years. If I had spoken to Jesus I would have asked if he was so powerful why did he not let them live in the first place without all the suffering. I guess the answer is this god takes pleasure in other peoples pain and therefore has no right to be worshipped. I don’t believe in any god by the way and glad I don’t fro listening to these reports.

[@cottontop9276]

Jesus says "Love your enemy, do good to those who have wronged you, do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Now tell us how this fits into the slaughter of women and children.

[@ArcanumArcanorum17]

The gnostics had a satisfactory answer

[@liquidpza]

It seems that at some point the sober amongst us just have to accept that some people want and need this kind of existential crutch. No, it doesn't make sense. Yes, it's often horrifying. It is however a receding flock.

[@weebmaster9591]

@@liquidpza when I became an atheist, my father told me that he didn’t care what religion I belonged to, but that if I didn’t follow any religion, I would have no guidance in the world. I told him I understood. I later found out that he had secretly converted to Islam, not because of evidence, but because (as he said) Islam preaches that he can be redeemed through his works, so he hoped that he could be redeemed in Islam, because he could not be redeemed under the strict rules of Catholicism (rule that I believe are even more absurd than the base Christianity). I have understood for several years now that his words when I came out said infinitely more about him than me. I have discovered meaning in the absence of god. He seemingly never could. Blind faith now revolts me

[@JohnTroiani]

these religious fools are insane ,anyone who believes this crap or anything to do with religion needs a lobotomy asap ,the bible is pure nonsense and evil, hypocritical and should be used as toilet paper

[@Amadeus_2061]

@@ArcanumArcanorum17 Could you share the answer, please?

[@borrusimob575]

I haven't watched the full video yet. I just paused it after the guy responds to the question "Why does God kill children?" His answer is that God can do what he wants and owes us nothing. But that wasn't the question....The question was WHY? Ok now I'll watch the rest

[@krishanu-d1k]

Same man.

[@19perception83]

He's a sicko thinking god goes around murdering. If God is love not that's he's loving but is the definition of love how would it be possible for him to kill? That's the exact opposite. My guess sickos going around killing attributing it to God.

[@bradvincent2586]

Yes. Exactly. He avoided the question. Actually, to be a little more kind, he literally doesn’t understand the question. I don’t think he understands what a “why” question means in terms of God. By the way, I’m a full believer in Jesus, this was just a terrible answer

[@tingpan2723]

In the old testment, there is a very narrow view that only Israels are loved by God because they worshiped the one true god and obey the law, the rest nations are evil and sinful so they are deserved to be destroyed. We know this is not true, Jesus died for all mankind.

[@tingpan2723]

However, Pastor John is also a Calvinist, which means, he doesn't believe Jesus's love is for all man, but only for the ones who are chosen from the beginning.

[@saidhaneshbodapati3993]

So , he is stating that God does not even have the morality of a 7 year old.

[@comal90]

No, god is morality

[@Kuttas23x]

@@comal90What part of morality includes or condones the mass murder of woman and children and even unborn fetuses?

[@baelliche5647]

I don't know man, the part of morality for a being, to whom the very concept of death is alien and unconsequential in the great scheme of things.

[@russellngiele1886]

Man if God is the creator who are we to say what's right or wrong? Based on what do you say what'd right and what's wrong? ​(Am just trying to make you see a point don't take offense please)@@Kuttas23x

[@Gesu_Re_dei_re]

​@@Kuttas23xwhy is that wrong in your view?

[@empathicqubit]

One problem I still have after thinking about this is, sure, I can accept that God has the right to take life whenever he pleases since he granted it, but why would he directly command a group of people or a single individual to do so in an imperfect world, rather than just stopping their hearts or using a natural disaster? Taking someone's life can cause permanent changes to a person's psychology, and many describe as a line you cross that you can never go back from, even when they believe that they their decision to kill was justified or in self-defense.

[@bradvincent2586]

That’s a great question. One that goes unanswered in these circles.

[@Nameless-pt6oj]

Perhaps it is to help strengthen their characters, perhaps it is to help those who are weak to depend more on Him.

[@mslisasierra]

I think that submission to God is the significance of the question. Doing what the Lord commands not only shows obedience to the Creator, but it also shows genuine faith in him. Not to say he commanded murder just to see these things, but because the world at that time was extremely evil. Today, a murder or rapist gets the death penalty for their crimes. The only difference from today and back then, is that God commanded directly. 10/10 die & “ the wages of sin is death.” Those times were different before Jesus came into the world, and just like today, God won’t command anyone to do what was done in the OT, because Jesus changed the covenant between man and God. A thorough understanding of the entire Bible, and New Testament especially, will clarify itself. Look at Abraham, where his hand was stayed from thrusting the knife into his sons chest. His obedience to God meant everything to him. “Not my will, but yours be done.” He was so obedient to the Lord, even if that meant sacrificing his own son at that time. However, what did God do? He didn’t allow him to do it, but he surely saw his obedience & faith. Right before Abraham executed the sacrifice of his own son, God provided a ram for him instead. Later on, God provided his own lamb, his own Son, and thrust that knife of wrath for sin into Him (Jesus), for you, for me, and for all of humanity, so that we could be reconciled to him. Today, God won’t command anyone to murder a whole people or city, because Jesus already paid the penalty for us. There is no difference between a natural disaster or using people to do this. They are the instruments in which God uses. Sin deserves death and death is the wage in which is due to us. When you look at the brutal murder of Jesus, you see how truly blessed we are.

[@empathicqubit]

@@mslisasierra If Jesus suffered for all Christians who were supposed to die, isn't it better not to believe in Jesus so he doesn't get hurt more on my behalf?

[@mslisasierra]

@@empathicqubit Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, in eternity with Him. He isn’t suffering one bit if you choose to not believe in him. The only one that suffers without Him is the unbeliever. Jesus didn’t suffer for only Christians, he suffered for all. Everyone is a sinner, even Christians. A Christian isn’t a Christian until they understand the cross, it’s meaning, have repented of sin (perpetually turn away from it from the knowledge of our uncleanliness and for Jesus’ death), and place their faith in Him for the mercy we have been given through His death. Without His death, we would ALL be condemned because we have lived in disobedience and in sin. The wrath that should fall upon us, fell upon Him as if HE were guilty. The misconception about Christians is that people think we think we are perfect and sin-less. That is ignorance of the truth. A Christian who is genuine in their faith doesn’t lie, steal, cheat, fornicate, commit adultery, dishonor their parents, covet/envy, hate, blaspheme, etc. (doesn’t break the 10 commandments) not because we are perfect but because we are genuine in our faith and not hypocrites. That is how you can tell a false convert over a true convert. Honoring God’s Law doesn’t earn us salvation or everlasting life, it only shows genuine faith in God. A Christian KNOWS they are not good, and NEED God’s mercy for forgiveness. When the Bible tells us to repent, it is because the Law has been shown to us like a mirror, and shown us that we are wicked. When we acknowledge our sins and have deep sorrow towards God for sinning and seeing what Jesus has done for us, it is then that the Holy Spirit gives us a new heart with new desires that please God, a heart that seeks to do what is right and hate that which is evil. Our old self is “dead” and “we are a new creation in Christ.” We have put our old sinful and darkened selves to death and have become new. That is a miracle for a sin-loving sinner, to be transformed into a new person. That is the “new birth.” Since it is impossible to never sin again, the difference between a Christian and a nonbeliever is that a Christian may “fall” into sin, the devil can deceive us and try to make us sin. But the nonbeliever, chooses to “dive” into sin, or live in it by choice. Jesus died even for his enemies and those who mock Him, those who don’t believe in Him, who don’t trust in Him, who hate Him, who laugh at Him, etc. He didn’t die so we can love Him, He died so we can be reconciled to God, be clean, sanctified, and justified even though we are sinners. He died so we can have a relationship with God, because without his atonement for our sins, God’s wrath is all we deserve. A just and righteous God must punish that which is evil, or else He wouldn’t be good. It’s like a judge who would let a guilty criminal go without any justice or punishment for his crimes. That judge would be corrupt, and God isn’t corrupt. That is why the Cross is precious. An unbeliever doesn’t understand the Cross because they don’t understand who God is, or see their sin as “exceedingly sinful.” Humans tend to have low standards of goodness in their own eyes. All claim to be good, until we use God’s standard of good. His standard of good is moral perfection; in thought, word, and deed. Since none have been good, except Jesus, then that’s when we can see ourselves in truth- unclean and in desperate need of cleansing. Only Jesus can provide that for us. Since we will all die one day, (the wages of sin/what is due to us), are we to throw our fists at God and reject Him, or submit to Him. He did create us and all of creation. Just because someone doesn’t believe in His existence doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist. If I said I didn’t believe in gravity and jumped off a building, I would die. Ignorance of the law or the truth is no excuse, it still exists. So since we will all die, why wouldn’t we want to accept His free gift of everlasting life? We don’t have to earn it, work for it, do good works for it, it’s His mercy on us through Jesus. Of course, if we reject Him, then we will get what is due to us, death physically, spiritually AND after we die. We will spend eternity under His wrath “where the fire is never quenched and the worm never dies.” That is the punishment that is justly and righteously due. We are alive right now by His permission and will. He gives life and takes it. Who am I to question Almighty?

[@henrikasteberg1218]

On one hand I respect Johns perspective as he reads and believes what the text actually says and views it as true and justified by God. Many christians will simply never consider these texts in the Bible and see the theological difficulties with them. On the other hand I find the explanations he gives horrifying.

[@danielromerosol4158]

hehehehe most "evangelicals" only read the nice part of the new testament. hehehehe

[@kodidrive3033]

@@uniqueviewsnews It's America not the Americas. The Americas are the subcontinental regions of America hence the term in plural form. United States is of America not itself America. This is America: www.loc.gov/resource/g3290.ct007320/

[@Nunya-_-]

@@kodidrive3033 People generally mean usa when they say America…

[@kodidrive3033]

@@Nunya-_- At least you implicitly admit to the fact that writing the name America in plural form is an effort to obfuscate then appropriate the same by misrepresenting the United States as America. Sad transparent attempt to justify misrepresenting the continental term American as if it were a nationality. As to your argument ad populum, this U.S. popularized misconception is inconsequential to the truth.

[@Nunya-_-]

@@kodidrive3033 I beg to differ, i bet if we were to take a survey around the world and ask “what do you think of when someone says America or Americans” they more than likely say USA.

[@ozunoma]

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." Steven Weinberg

[@ulrohermit1369]

this is shallow and wrong

[@EricLarson123]

​@@ulrohermit1369no it isn't

[@ivadedeva7005]

AGREE

[@meeper46]

@@ulrohermit1369why do people conveniently forget all the horrors produced by atheist regimes such as the USSR?

[@mohammedfaiz4584]

I think this is what ISIS does. With an important exception. ISIS does not kill infants.

[@maxmarrero-sb5ej]

Allah and the God of the bible are the same god. islam came from ismael , christianity came from isaac , both were brothers. I the same filthy damn god.

[@DagdasSoup]

So, morals are not actually objective in the Christian viewpoint. Murder, in this worldview, isn't wrong because human life has intrinsic value. Murder is wrong because someone other than God kills. In the case of Biblical murder, it's even right for humans to kill if told to by God. This is sick. Absolutely sick.

[@Susan-fg3nv]

Back in the day we use to say "if you had a time machine where would you go?" A lot of times you heard "go back and kill Hitler when he was a baby" if you study wars and bible and see who was killed it was whole nations who were out to slaughter Israel. God's children. But that's wrong but as humans we want Hitler dead... hmmmm

[@aCarolinaGal]

This guy is Christianity like Dr. Fauci is "Science".

[@DRSilva]

John Piper: "everyone who dies, dies because God wills that they die." Bible: "God is NOT WILLING that ANYBODY should perish, but that all would come to repentance (a change of mind about Him)."

[@sushi_mermaid7116]

Thank you so much for this comment

[@cynthialewis3785]

It is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement. Hebrews 9:27. You have to repent before you die and are judged.

[@robinsydney140]

The Savior Jesus Christ had to come from the bloodline of the Children of Israel. The enemy knowing this tried to thwart the Plan of Salvation by making everything possible to avoid Jesus from ever being born in the flesh. Remember Herod trying to destroy the children younger than age two? Well, in the Old Testament, God had to order those heathen people to be destroyed because they had abhorrent practices that had corrupted the DNA so much that they were not salvageable any more, and the devil was using them to destroy the bloodline (Children of Israel) from which the Savior had to come. He tried this by tempting them to intermarrying with those pagans which would have prevented Jesus from having a perfect body to accomplish the almost impossible mission of saving mankind. Then you and me and everybody else in this world would have had no chance of being saved.

[@ADanZLife]

Exodus 12:29-30 "At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead"

[@Yahshuaismyeverything]

Everyone has an appointed time to die tho

[@binkbonkbones3402]

Asking Christians "is your god a ruthless killer" is like asking an abused girl with stalkholm syndrome why she stays with an abuser, there's always SOME EXCUSE like "oh, yeah he hit me but I was like, sort of being out of line for asking him to stop choking me 🤷‍♀️ what can ya do. Sure he ruthlessly insults me degrades me and tells me I'm useless without him, but I love him! He's my world!" This is literally their god. A walking abusive toxic masculinity archetype, but instead of like when someone gets out of a bad relationship and everyone cheers them on, if you try to leave the church you're socially isolated and "just being consumed by your own evil and vice, and you've disrespected and insulted the gracious amazing being that had the generosity to make you worthless trash" This is the ultimate Stockholm syndrome toxic relationship Like, the question is a simple yes or no, "is your god a murderous genocidal bipolar brat?" And based on the evidence YES, he has committed numerous mass slaughters, but "oh, it's a misunderstanding, oh you're not looking at it from the perspective of the times, oh just because he has a pattern of genocide doesn't make him genocidal they were just gay and god said he would never kill everything again, so it's fine right?!" Like... you can use all the justifications in the world, but the fact that you have more literature on explaining how you somehow AREN'T A cult worshipping a warmonger, than actual literary texts and manuscripts about your beliefs says a lot about the integrity of your organization, and the sheer amount of effort and mental acrobatics you do to try to desperately hold your worldview together should inform you that it takes more effort to refute bullshit than to make it up since nobody in modern sensible society can convince you you're dedicating your precious existence on this anomaly to an ancient wrathful cartoon character archetype despite evidence and logic, and some more evidence it's all metaphorical.

[@AmonRa_Stringer]

You typed out a whole speech with nothing but ignorants being typed out

[@binkbonkbones3402]

@@AmonRa_Stringer I acknowledge more of your book in that one paragraph than you've even read of it total

[@AmonRa_Stringer]

@@binkbonkbones3402 thats not true,you typed out a whole essay paragraph with not understanding the purpose,ideals or even how the religion works. you also just spouted heating hate instead of really a point

[@binkbonkbones3402]

@amonragames4016 my point is you guys take the "message" however your feeling tell you, instead of objectively looking at gods actions He slaughters innocent women and children by his word due to a hate bias against homosexuals and to refute this is to refute the holy book He floods the lands, killing his own offspring the giants and most life on earth, to save one guy because he props up his ego and hopes he spreads that message Also, to say act good or I'll kill you and plague your children is something I would expect a mongol warlord to say, not God, and it's straight up hostage abusive partner status Christians always try to refute stuff with their feelings instead of just looking, and can never provide contrary evidence other than "that's not my perspective of god" just because you cognitive dissonance the rest of the story

[@AmonRa_Stringer]

@@binkbonkbones3402 that is that not true from anything i have read,as god killed/made a flood to rid the world of sin with all people. Not just homosexuals and as well the entire group of people there. The other part is not true ether because he didnt kill his offspring at any point because of ego.I would like you to actually proof that. You need to show a source of this stuff your saying,because this has to be made up and you are saying stuff from feelings with no proof. read the bible or look up any of those things you proclaim is true and show me that and than we can talk respsectfully.

[@ribsybrown510]

I was a Christian for over 22 years and this topic is one of the reasons why I am no longer a Christian. Listening to this guy talk like this makes me realise more and more how brainwashed and detached from reality I was.

[@grimreapper3990]

Question: how can god be born , poop , pee , get hungry ... or the trinity be 3 all Christian say that like human made from 3 soyl , body, and brain .also god ,but i can't say to a soul full human as jesus full god or body as full human , as the spirit ... that make no sense if you tell me they are the same then u don't get the trinity right cause it clearly say father isnt son isn't holy spirit but they are all god somehow

[@blancaanvari2173]

You were never born again of the Spirit of God to comprehend who God is... and we are Not! May HE grant you repentance to “see” Him

[@ribsybrown510]

@@blancaanvari2173 A typical and cliche response Christians give when they have no moral or logical explanation as to why a so called merciful,kind and loving being & his followers would commit genocide, infanticide and the raping of young virgin girls. How dare I(a sinful dirty wretch who on his way to hell to be eternally punished for something that happened thousands of years before he was born) question the motives for slaughtering innocent people. How dare I.

[@stanleychukwu7424]

@@blancaanvari2173 amen!!!!

[@stanleychukwu7424]

i hope you find your way back, he's waiting with open arms!!

[@blasphememes]

Thank you for disproving free will and christian morality without even knowing it.

[@kspades2530]

You need to repent of your sins

[@blasphememes]

@@kspades2530 Oswald of Carim has already taken care of my sins.

[@EricLarson123]

​@@kspades2530 the christian god is responsible for far more sins than any human who has ever lived

[@adonisblox9198]

@@kspades2530you need to stop justifying the killing of children

[@kspades2530]

@@adonisblox9198 If I am saying repent of your sin, it's clear I am against the killing of children. So what are you talking about? I love what God loves, repentance and hate what God hates murder.

[@rodrigogonzalez-bishop3810]

I’m Christian and this answer is not helpful to unbelievers. “I can make this question harder” *eye roll*

[@notbloodylikely4817]

Same. Not Christian, but a child of God. What this person doesn't address is the hypocrisy and that's what challenges unbelievers. God commands, thou shalt not murder but murders freely. A perfect God would not court hypocrisy. There really is no way out of that moral paradox that doesn't paint God as imperfect. If sinners can be morally more righteous than God, God is not God. The issue, not addressed here, is that God 'hardens Pharaoh's heart' in Exodus. Pharaoh's free will is taken away by God so that God can visit plagues on Egypt. He is quite clear on this to Moses. I will harden Pharaoh's heart so that he does not release your people'. Had Pharaoh free will would he have released the Hebrews? Maybe not, but by taking away Pharaoh's free will God contradicts his own edict, that we all have free will, and as a direct result of forcing pharaoh to refuse to see reason, he slaughters children. Now, if we are all sinners deserving of Hell, why are the Hebrews favoured. They refute Moses and God even in the face of undisputable miracles. Is that not a reason to smite them? Are the family of Israel not sinners? They worshipped false idols and indulged in apathy and sin, preferring bondage to freedom with hardships. The correct answer, purely in my opinion, is that this aspect of Exodus is not historical but a parable about the testing of faith through hardship and philosophical reasoning. It cannot be otherwise because the alternative reduces God to a hypocrite and that cannot be true of the perfect being, aka God. Exodus is, for me, about the flight of humanity from the difficulty of the good path. Moses is tested, the Hebrews are tested and Egypt suffers to the end that a new nation of stronger faith emerges from the ashes of crisis. Taken literally, nobody in their right mind can defend the supposed actions of God in the OT. This is why fundamentalists miss the point every time and become hypocritical themselves. I mean, this guy is making a case for genocide. It's abhorent honestly.

[@Revolvercon]

@max marrero that literally makes no sense.

[@mrplayboyinternational.1999]

Thank you! A lot of men think that just because they're men everything they say is right. *rolls eyes*

[@notbloodylikely4817]

@@Revolvercon I think he's mixing his religious ideas with gnosticism. Gnostics believe Jehovah was not God but was the creator of Earth, they call him the demiurge but didn't believe he was Satan, just a massive jerk. I don't know how anyone can read the OT and not think that tbh. Jehovah spends the entire time slaying, reading, contradicting himself and being insecure. It's weird how fundamentalists say OT God is the last word in everything but don't ritualistically slaughter animals and bathe in their blood as Jehovah commanded. In fact ritual sacrifice is typically associated with Satan worshippers or pagans.

[@theoryofpersonality1420]

The answer is simple. Scripture defines and explains itself. The men of those tribes raped the women, the children and the animals. The women qould sacrifice their children (usually the first born) by burning them alive. We k own now a child abused grows up and thinks this is normal and will in turn abuse others. Other children know it's not normal and still go on to abuse others. The animals were defiled. So they were also killed. The gold was left behind. No spoils were taken. These were not acts of war. These were acts of purification of evil out of the land. These people who were killed did many other horrible things that are described in scripture. I notice the question didn't include why were they ordered to also kill the animals. It also doesn't mention that King Saul was cursed by God because he kept sheep. It's because the sheep had been defiled and were unclean because they had been raped by men. When the men of the other tribes didn't want children this is what they would do. This is not something just that was just back then. This still happens in places today. Sickeningly I came across a video of just such a thing. They defile the animals before they sell them to Christians in Africa. This is why God says don't eat animals sacrificed to other gods. They are defiled and unclean. The problem is there is only one Holy Bible. The others are not bibles at all. To publish a book for profit of a book that already exist one must change the book. They can't change the Bible so they make fakes. Some of these fake bibles are 60,000 words shorter. Some even more. Some of the fakes say horrible things. They are not the Holy Bible. This is why it's important for people to know there is only one Holy Bible and it's never been changed. People complain that it's hard to read because it's written in Gothic. The language made just for translating Hebrew into English. The Holy Bible has never been changed. It's never been edited. It's been preserved. If only people talk the time to learn to read the real Holy Bible. If your Bible isn't 30 pounds then it's not a real Bible. This is why so many people can't answer simple questions about scripture. Because they don't own a real Holy Bible. I hope this answers your question.

[@paulmsandbergable]

This is a classic logical fallacy that dates back to Aristotle called "petitio principii," known in English as "begging the question" (a phrase most people use incorrectly). It's where the premise of an argument presupposes the truth of the conclusion rather than supporting it---in this case, that it's morally just for God to command the slaughter of women and children because everything God does is morally just. It's like a book that says giraffes can fly, and when someone challenges it, you point out that the title of the book is "Everything In This Book Is True." It's logically incoherent.

[@bradvincent2586]

I am a Christian who loves Jesus and you are absolutely correct in your evaluation of this explanation. My current answer to the difficult passages in the OT is that I don’t know. I do need an answer and I am seeking God for it. But if people like this want to give an answer to their audience, they shouldn’t make such l logical fallacies. Or, maybe it wasn’t technically begging the question, more just avoiding the question.

[@booyaka870]

There isn't any premise that isn't absolutely true for those who believe it. If you don't of course you are going to fight it because you want your own opinion and not because you are right.

[@loveisraeljesusfirst2272]

​@booyaka870 you are very correct in your assertion

[@gustavomarquez4291]

I think you're incorrect and you're misinterpreting what begging the question is. Here, the argument is that for God is not wrong to take a life away because he's the one who gives it in the first place; therefore, he's sovereign to give it and take it back. That principle makes God's actions good, and ours bad, since we are not God to decide when to take somebody's life since we didn't give it in the first place.

[@johnclark6577]

@@bradvincent2586 YHVH only commands the slaughter of ‘women and children’ who belong to clans that are of ‘the serpent’s seed’, and are not fully human. The Nephilim, Raphaim, Amelekites, Zamzummin, etc., etc.. Genesis 3:15/Genesis 6:1-4. Given that you posted this two years ago you probably know this answer by now. I struggled with this question also, but as Yahshua promises, The Spirit of Truth, gives revelation knowledge to His people, but the world cannot receive The Spirit of Truth because they cannot see Him. The natural man cannot receive the things of The Spirit of Elohim for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. The Word of Elohim is not only true, but It’s fascinating! There’s far more to reality in this world than we see with our eyes.

[@danskyder1564]

If according to Piper every murder in history was right and good, then we shouldn’t view any death as a tragedy, correct?

[@booyaka870]

He didn't say each deed isn't evil but he does say that everyone has sinned which gives God legal right to do the just punishment which is death. Yet he saves people despite this and this is the glory of God.

[@Moneyman077]

Amen first people must understand that the wages of sin is death. When they understand this then it’s easy to understand why God pay sinners will death because it’s the wages of sin!

[@reverendbarker650]

yeah, serial killers are all part of the great plan . Ted Bundy was doing gods work !

[@DH-rj2kv]

@@booyaka870 That is the most sickening and twisted idea I have heard in a long time. If only you people could understand how crazy you sound.

[@booyaka870]

@@DH-rj2kv I have not made up my mind based on what people say or think.

[@sketchyskeptic852]

The irony here is that people like Piper often accuse us atheists as having "no objective morality." And yet we're the ones arguing that say that infanticide/genocide/torture will ALWAYS be wrong. No matter WHO does it or in WHAT context. It doesn't matter that he's God, because murdering innocent babies and toddlers is objectively wrong. There will never be a context in which genocide is just. Thankfully I haven't seen many Christians who think like this man.

[@waldeanwall1327]

This is the fundamental problem. The sinner looks to God and shakes his fist in prideful resistance. "I will not have any sovereign power over me. I will do what's right in my own eyes."

[@TheJazz20]

Putting the Bible aside or knowledge of Christianity or any religion aside. Honestly if there is a God which is what scientists or great philosophers believe then why shouldn't he have the ability to do what ever he want?. Why should he have to meet our human standards or morals if he created everything and allow us to have these feels. Maybe it's possible that we actually don't know what's really moral or right but at the same time in life you can't always go by how you feel but what is real. I believe God is real and I think he has every right to do what ever he please because truthfully he doesn't owe me anything. As humans can we really truthfully say that we have treated what has been given to us which is earth with care and love? We have pollution in the air, many cut down trees ,.and more. We don't even show love to man kind like we should especially with all the wars going then with all the evil in the world we all probably wonder where is God. I think as humans it's not that we don't believe in God it's that we really want God fit our own desire and standards. We want him to meet our expectations and be qualified for the position to serve us like he is some unemployed person and we are the HR manager.

[@JacobisEl]

@@TheJazz20You are so foul. You’re justifying killing INNOCENT BABIES because it’s “God”? Make that shit make sense. Do what he wants? So, basically you feel it’s okay to kill innocent little children because “God did it”. Smh. Wow. 🤮

[@ulrohermit1369]

would you say the same for Hitler , Stalin or serial killers and rapists , pedophiles ???

[@JacobisEl]

@@ulrohermit1369 What’s your point? He literally just said in no way is it right.

[@diomedes8791]

«It is right for God to kill women and children anytime he pleases». What makes this monster of a god better than a sadist or a Mafia boss? And this bloodthirsty warlord of a desert god called Yahweh who smites rival tribes of the Israelites in the Old Testament (and to whom offerings of burnt flesh is most pleasing) is inflated to become the creator and ruler of the Universe in the New Testament. That’s pretty much all the evidence you need to tell you that Yahweh (and his twisted moral code) is all but man-made, and not the other way around.

[@CandaceArt]

Neither a sadist nor Mafia boss can save (your soul.) Neither of them are the Son of the living God, Jesus Christ, who died for the sins of man to bring you (us) to God the Father, that you (we) might be saved from Hell, have a relationship with Him and the hope to spend all of eternity with Him in the hereafter. What makes Him better is not a _what_ at all; it’s simply who He is. God bless you 🙏🏻

[@MrCmon113]

@@CandaceArt Word salad to justify the unjustifiable. You have completely abandoned all compassion for other people to cling on to your delusion.

[@CandaceArt]

I think you call it word salad simply because you do not agree and cannot refute the identity and nature of Christ. There is none more compassionate than the Lord. He will make right all in His timing. The devil and those who do wickedness will get away with nothing because the Lord is and will bring justice. We do not set the moral code, we are not the bar to which the Lord should meet our standards. Ultimately, this is a heart issue: if you make yourself judge in your heart and require all the answers in this life, you will be full of pride and outrage at what takes place in the world. If you will humble yourself before the Lord, accept you cannot know everything and are not the standard but the clay formed by the Potter and place your trust in Him, it will go well with you. Job asked God the reason for suffering. Gods full answer found in Job 38 may help you. “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding...”

[@doggycatalan]

God honestly sounds more evil then the devil sometimes.. which is why I try to stay far, FAR away from Christianity

[@trithos7308]

Very succinctly put

[@keithauguis2844]

This is a very chilly and creepy response for me. The fact that he didn't even try to beat around the bush, and straight up said God can either birth us in here, and then, wills us to be sent into our deaths even if you were very young. I can definitely understand that if God exists, he has the absolute right to command us, but, why suffer? Is there a need for suffering? How does that justify that he loves us? Unless he's toying with us? By ordering an atrocity? Why can't he just let the people die without suffering? Oh, I know. That's because we are "sinful". I'm very pessimistic when it comes to my religion, I can't seem to come to terms with it anymore.

[@willjen6595]

It’s almost like biblical god does not want to admit his fault for creating a sinful being. This raises more questions. How would a perfect being create an imperfect, sinful being that’s made entirely by God? Unless it was intended, that would be an impossibility. Therefore, he is the source of all evil, and good. As stated in isaiah 45:7.

[@georgehennen507]

@@willjen6595 God admitted he should’ve never made man. Unfortunately God gave us free will.

[@willjen6595]

@@georgehennen507 that’s impossible, if God is perfect. He wont make any mistakes, which makes him incapable of have regrets.

[@ArcanumArcanorum17]

@@georgehennen507 When you use the word god you're actually refering to a bunch of pagan sem1t1c deities. A bit of comparative religion and reading the bible in the original language will help.

[@Jiraiya-di7iw]

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him". If you find yourself detesting God for being God then you should be very worried. That is the Spirit of satan, the spirit of rebellion, that caused war in heaven because he didn't see eye to eye with God. Remember "obedience is better than sacrifice" to the Lord, "and to submit is better than the fat of rams".

[@excellence7018]

Killing a murderer or rapist is NOT THE SAME as killing women and children.

[@mrplayboyinternational.1999]

I know, right? Such evil words.

[@EinSofQuester]

God was psychopathic in ordering the Israelites to slaughter the Amalekites? Was Truman psychopathic in ordering the US air force to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[@EinSofQuester]

How about killing women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[@naturereporter2719]

@@freespirit7450 Every and any reason man has to kill children is evil, however, any reason God has is good? Isnt it somehow awkward that God kills only children that are in his way of doing his will. He would not have killed other children who maybe would have suffered a far worse fate because they are not hindering his "people" of leaving Egypt. The current moral of the story is: "Its ok for God to do evil and therefore for Gods people to do the same evil because its not evil, its pure good." Killing children is not evil if God does it, because there is some divine reasoning behind it. Humans do the same thing to each other if there is some divine goal or reasoning.

[@freespirit7450]

@naturereporter2719 So, do you really think there are good people on this planet?. No one is good. People only do good to get something in and return. Everyone is selfish to the core. Jesus was the only man who did everything to benefit others. And he was God. The Bible isnt just stories they have deeper meaning. You can't just read the bible and not mediate on it. For you to understand everything in the bible, it would take years. Don't listen to people who read the bible in one week or a month.

[@VenomousSoup14]

Seeing everyone defending child murder is why I left Christianity

[@paulmuriithi3228]

Me too

[@GreenEagle-p7z]

You should convert to islam

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, why do you believe that killing children is wrong?

[@GreenEagle-p7z]

@johnzuma4688 so tell me why do you call the muslims criminals while you now ready to k1ll a child

[@rubba6818]

@@johnzuma4688 "So tell me, why do you believe that killing children is wrong?" = This is your brain on Religion.

[@marciomaia4020]

So God is the source of all suffering. Got it 👍

[@mmorphy4258]

God had to create a reality where you and I have a choice. Love is only possible when there is choice. God put the tree in the garden so we would have a choice. And even when we make the wrong choice, He has given us a way to have get back on the right path. God could end all suffering in the twinkling of an eye, and he could end all joy. Using my limited mind, I would say, God saw that it was worth it to create this reality over any other one. One where evil could exist, and murder, and suffering so that REAL LOVE could also exist. He did not want a universe of robots who didn't have a choice. And He Himself came down to this world and suffered an excruciating death, so you may know how much He loves you and wants to be with you again. Like we were in the garden! Praying for you

[@marciomaia4020]

@@mmorphy4258 total nonsense bro. Grow up.

[@mmorphy4258]

@@marciomaia4020 I would never insult you like you just did to me. Shows where you stand in the world. Never the less, you are lost and I pray for you. The Truth will set you free

[@marciomaia4020]

@@mmorphy4258 again grow up bro.

[@mmorphy4258]

@@marciomaia4020 God bless you

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

This guy is literally insane! Giving some invisible dictator in the sky a pass for murder, rape, slavery, genocide, etc. Inexcusable.

[@stephengreathouse2143]

I suppose then you would give human traffickers, gang rapers, and child sacrificer's a pass? That was the evil culture of the Canaanites that God judged via the Israelites. And the women are just as guilty. They would continue to raise children to perpetuate that culture of evil. God loves his creation so much that he serves hard justice to protect the world from evil such as the Canaanites. Take a magnifying glass to D-day and we can be equally disgusted by the gore and death done by the Allies. But zooming out we can see the reason behind it. Hitler's evil ,at all costs, had to be stopped. -- All that being said, God is creator of all life. what position do we have to question his authority.

[@stephengreathouse2143]

400 years evil including child sacrifice, gang rape, and human trafficking. God should have given those people a pass, right? 🤔

[@Nameless-pt6oj]

Why is it that atheists completely ignore the context behind the killing of the Canaanites? I just find it to be so desperate of them.

[@MrCmon113]

@@stephengreathouse2143 God was doing the child sacrifice and gang rape and he commands his followers to do more of it.

[@justinstudebaker4867]

So... essentially God can just say "I brought you into this world and I can take you back out of it!!"

[@GreenToast01]

That's slavery. Fuck god. I want to be free

[@scottgodlewski306]

@JJ France God is responsible for sin. He's responsible for everything. If he makes the rules, why can't he just say sin isn't a dealbreaker now? Why does something have to die?

[@coachmellorock]

So basically every parent has the right to murder their children

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

@@scottgodlewski306 Because the entire story doesn't make any sense. Think about this: The first people to sin were Adam and Eve, right? What was their first sin? Eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. So I ask you this: How could God have ever held Adam and Eve responsible for sinning against him if they didn't have the moral capacity to assess what they were doing until AFTER they ate of the tree? (This is all rhetorical, not saying you believe this stuff. It's just an interesting questions that I've never heard sufficiently answered.)

[@scottgodlewski306]

@@BlGGESTBROTHER Did they need a moral capacity? Didn’t God just tell them not to eat it?

[@29-yasirkhan11]

Alhamdulillah for islam. Allah says in the Qur'an - If anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - It would be as if he killed all humankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humankind. THE HOLY QURAN - 5:32

[@jonkerjk]

You are wrong the god you're talking about doesn't exist According to the bible he punishes your wife and children for your sin 😢 And many other wicked things It's just an ancient book That was written a long time ago when knowledge was a fraction of what it is today

[@johnsmith-iv6sc]

That still doesn't answer the question or rather apparent contradiction in the old testament where it says in one place "love your neighbor" and then in another place God in effect says "kill your neighbor" by commanding genocide.

[@booyaka870]

Love and kill aren't opposites.

[@johnsmith-iv6sc]

@@booyaka870 dude, what are you smokin?

[@sbnwnc]

@@johnsmith-iv6sc Just don't take the Bible literally. Modern Christians take the Bible seriously but they do not take it literally.

[@booyaka870]

​@@johnsmith-iv6sc Thick with pride and oppression that statement is.

[@johnsmith-iv6sc]

@@booyaka870 Perhaps. So let's back up. Please explain your initial comment.

[@winner8x8]

4:24 - you mentioned killing for killing. Matthew 5: 38-48 is directly contradictory of that. Jesus came not to destroy the old teaching but to interpret.

[@antonionacionreluya8707]

God is a brutal being. He does things as he pleases and no one can question him because "he owes no man nothing". That is according to the flatterers who try hard to please the insatiable ego of a self-centered god. We were not here on our own free will. We were brought into this world to satisfy the megalomaniac.

[@alexmartinez9097]

I couldn't agree more. We never asked to be created.

[@doggycatalan]

Yep. God is evil.

[@robinsydney140]

The Savior Jesus Christ had to come from the bloodline of the Children of Israel. The enemy knowing this tried to thwart the Plan of Salvation by making everything possible to avoid Jesus from ever being born in the flesh. Remember Herod trying to destroy the children younger than age two? Well, in the Old Testament, God had to order those heathen people to be destroyed because they had abhorrent practices that had corrupted the DNA so much that they were not salvageable any more, and the devil was using them to destroy the bloodline (Children of Israel) from which the Savior had to come. He tried this by tempting them to intermarrying with those pagans which would have prevented Jesus from having a perfect body to accomplish the almost impossible mission of saving mankind. Then you and me and everybody else in this world would have had no chance of being saved.

[@authentic76]

a perfect example of how religion could subtly be used to poision a people. So according to his rhetoric, the wicked deeds done in the name of Christ is no different than jihadist Muslims. Smh

[@nioshamajedi4712]

“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10:10‬! I know a bunch of people who are atheists now because of the predetermined Calvinism doctrine! He’s a very subtle false teacher!

[@yourdad587]

@max marrero HAHAHAHA

[@MichaelMeridius]

And this is how religious beliefs can make you try and defend atrocities, contradictions, absurdities and lies.

[@hisworkmanship7258]

Ah, this is another atheist taking time out their day to try to understand something they never will. God is Sovereign. Deal with it.

[@MichaelMeridius]

@@hisworkmanship7258 Demonstrate god exists, otherwise your assertion is dismissed.

[@mofoshrimp]

God is going to take your life one day too, no matter how hard you fight against it by refusing to believe

[@MichaelMeridius]

@@mofoshrimp What can be asserted without evidence can equally be dismissed without evidence, ergo your claim is dismissed, until proven otherwise.

[@mofoshrimp]

@@MichaelMeridius On the basis of what evidence do you assert the claim that 'What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?' Present your evidence here that this claim is true!

[@barkerbikepirate4916]

No wonder I grew up with severe emotional problems. I deserved Hell for being born and a malevolent monster ruling the world was always reading and judging even my thoughts. I'm so grateful to have found my way out of that mind prison.

[@ronniedrake8196]

You don't deserve hell. You never asked to be created. To me. At this point. God is no better than Satan. Cowardice both of them why should we have to be created to fight their war with each other. Don't add up

[@truthseeker5698]

Reformers/calvinists characterization of God is reprehensible.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@truthseeker5698 Well, ever since 2 Samuel 24, Judges 9:23, and 1 Kings 20:36, do not ever assume it's easy, to even form that characterization, I say. Much mess was caused in past, on many fronts - even by Augustine? And surely, some more direct answers, might be tenable?

[@queenisrael8158]

GOD is always going to rule and we all have to answer to him when we die so you need to put your mind set there and stop fooling yourself and face reality!!

[@trafficjon400]

And if your Wrong by the necessity of the Scriptures with an ear to speak the Sermon? Reality of mind sets a very lonely betraying feeling in the unfathomable death bead.@@queenisrael8158

[@illuminus4420]

This guy really believes what he is saying. That is crazy!

[@jacobrussell1972]

AI program running strong lol, YWH is lucifer lol these people are going to have to admit who they worship pretty soon. Everything dating back to the old testament is from the demiurge false god. Earth is a glorified data farm for Elohim lol this guy is as beta as it gets.

[@paulmuriithi3228]

Imagine.

[@StudyReport-h6l]

The LORD is not our God. It is Satan. Satan has the authority over the Earth because Adam and Eve sinned and became slave to sin and gave Satan right to rule over the world. Remember when Satan appeared to Jesus to tempt Him, he said "All this authority I will give to you because it has been delivered to me(Satan), only if you bow down and worship me". Since, Adam and Eve sinned, God lost the jurisdiction over this planet Earth. That's why Jesus said in His prayer (the Lord's Prayer) "Your kingdom come. Your will be done ON EARTH as it in IN HEAVEN". Jesus asked for God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven. This simply means that God's will is not done on Earth. Jesus said "Who has seen me as seen the Father". This means that God is not a accuser, murderer, slow to anger, kind, humble, sober, meek, deliverer, does not give eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth. Whereas, the LORD in the Old Testament did those things which is completely contrary to the nature of God, our Father. Now, this is why Paul says in the Bible that there is a veil on those who read the Old Testament because our Father also speaks to people in the name of LORD and Satan does also. That's why it is written to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD". Many times in the New Testament, Jesus Christ rejected the words of Yahweh (the LORD) and gave a new law like the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth or take oaths in the name of the LORD. Jesus also said "Every Good thing is from God" and "No one is Good exceot God" which makes clear that many times Satan used the name of the LORD to kill, steal and destroy and did those things which are Evil. The LORD in the Old Testament brought prople to bondage but Jesus said "I have come to set the captives free". Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE" also Jesus said "Every Kingdom divided against itself will never stand". This means that Jesus's Kingdom and Father's Kingdom was not divided but was ONE. So, when Jesus rejected the LORD'S words in the Old Testament, Jesus was not going against His Kingdom but Jesus was going against the Kingdom of Satan/Darkness. This is every evident that the theory of "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, foot for foot, hand for hand" is a Satanic theory said by Satan in the name of the LORD to defame our Father, God. Remove this veil. I have scriptures to prove each and every point I am saying. I am not quoting it because the message will get very long. But, if you want the scriptures, ask me in the reply of this comment and I will give you.

[@maxmarrero-sb5ej]

@@paulmuriithi3228 that's the nature of fear , trust and don't question ,or else. 😨☠💀🤣🤣🤣

[@ZeOnetruth]

Lemme hear everything​@StudyReport-h6l

[@lauriehester357]

Do y’all hear yourselves? The mental gymnastics is astounding. Gold medals to be able to justify it.

[@excellence7018]

"God never wrongs anybody". This argument makes is absolutely impossible to reason with a fanatic who murders any human being. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. (Genesis 6:6 NIV)

[@StudyReport-h6l]

The LORD is not our God. It is Satan. Satan has the authority over the Earth because Adam and Eve sinned and became slave to sin and gave Satan right to rule over the world. Remember when Satan appeared to Jesus to tempt Him, he said "All this authority I will give to you because it has been delivered to me(Satan), only if you bow down and worship me". Since, Adam and Eve sinned, God lost the jurisdiction over this planet Earth. That's why Jesus said in His prayer (the Lord's Prayer) "Your kingdom come. Your will be done ON EARTH as it in IN HEAVEN". Jesus asked for God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven. This simply means that God's will is not done on Earth. Jesus said "Who has seen me as seen the Father". This means that God is not a accuser, murderer, slow to anger, kind, humble, sober, meek, deliverer, does not give eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth. Whereas, the LORD in the Old Testament did those things which is completely contrary to the nature of God, our Father. Now, this is why Paul says in the Bible that there is a veil on those who read the Old Testament because our Father also speaks to people in the name of LORD and Satan does also. That's why it is written to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD". Many times in the New Testament, Jesus Christ rejected the words of Yahweh (the LORD) and gave a new law like the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth or take oaths in the name of the LORD. Jesus also said "Every Good thing is from God" and "No one is Good exceot God" which makes clear that many times Satan used the name of the LORD to kill, steal and destroy and did those things which are Evil. The LORD in the Old Testament brought prople to bondage but Jesus said "I have come to set the captives free". Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE" also Jesus said "Every Kingdom divided against itself will never stand". This means that Jesus's Kingdom and Father's Kingdom was not divided but was ONE. So, when Jesus rejected the LORD'S words in the Old Testament, Jesus was not going against His Kingdom but Jesus was going against the Kingdom of Satan/Darkness. This is every evident that the theory of "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, foot for foot, hand for hand" is a Satanic theory said by Satan in the name of the LORD to defame our Father, God. Remove this veil. I have scriptures to prove each and every point I am saying. I am not quoting it because the message will get very long. But, if you want the scriptures, ask me in the reply of this comment and I will give you.

[@jgullotta]

God did not kill them. Joshua's soldiers, commanded by God killed them, to "put them to the edge of the sword." So imagine being one of the soldiers rushing into a house, hacking and slashing the men, women, and children with your sword - with blood spurting ang guts spilling out. Then in another room is a baby in its crib. Do you stab it? Slash it open? Cut it in half? Now you repeat this as you go from house to house, covered with gore and with the screams of the dying ringing in your ears. Being killed by a sword is quite painful - people don't just fall dead as in the movies. Don't you think that these soldiers would suffer severe trauma from being forced to slaughter defenseless women, children, toddlers and babies? What Joshua should have said to God when he was ordered to send his men in is: "Lord, you are God - if you want these thousands of people dead, do it yourself! With a wave of your hand you could make them all drop dead."

[@InspiredHTV]

How do we know God actually commanded this? It reads exactly like Isreali warrior culture, yet I thought God was above culture?

[@robinsydney140]

The Savior Jesus Christ had to come from the bloodline of the Children of Israel. The enemy knowing this tried to thwart the Plan of Salvation by making everything possible to avoid Jesus from ever being born in the flesh. Remember Herod trying to destroy the children younger than age two? Well, in the Old Testament, God had to order those heathen people to be destroyed because they had abhorrent practices that had corrupted the DNA so much that they were not salvageable any more, and the devil was using them to destroy the bloodline (Children of Israel) from which the Savior had to come. He tried this by tempting them to intermarrying with those pagans which would have prevented Jesus from having a perfect body to accomplish the almost impossible mission of saving mankind. Then you and me and everybody else in this world would have had no chance of being saved.

[@deeman524]

Job 1:21New King James Version (NKJV)21 And he said: “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked shall I return there. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.” Job 2:10 Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

[@risafey]

But note the overarching theme of the Book of Job. It was SATAN who assailed Job. God had retracted his "hedge" of protection so that Job could be tried. Job was ignorant of Satan's existence, I think, and still he did not charge folly to God. "The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy."

[@deeman524]

Biscochitos Galletita Amen

[@kalifsonbigboy9539]

jobs children were just non persons..just massacred allowed to be to make a point....and REPLACED by the most beautiful daughters in the land? like taking out the trash?

[@risafey]

kalifson bigboy Who said they were non-persons? You have two instances here: either they feared God and went to Heaven (and therefore would not mourn their own deaths since to die is gain), or they were wicked (in which case, their wine-drinking in this temporary life was all they had to look forward to, since everybody dies and must be Judged). We don't know which one of these they were, but little hints point towards the latter (Job constantly making sacrifices for them). If they were wicked, whether they lived 30 or 100 years wouldn't ultimately matter, for the things of the Bible can only be spiritually discerned (eternity is at stake; this world is passing away and will be destroyed). Also, if they were wicked, they were only protected *because* of Job (or for the sake of Job). Otherwise, they would have likely reaped what they have been sowing (death and destruction) before then. Which only goes to show the grace of God even moreso. Also, this was very much a one-time event. And though people will mourn over physical death and blame God for everything, they don't see that he's the one who gave them life, nor do they turn from their wicked ways, nor do they understand that life here on earth is smoke--a dying flower. Eternity is at stake, not this physical, temporal realm that is Fallen and reserved for fire. But if you think their Satan-caused deaths are unjust (and we are all deserving of death by God's standard and Law), then that should point you to the ultimate Unjust Death: Jesus Christ, the Son of God on the Cross. He died the death required of everyone in the Law, so that those who believe on him would have eternal life. Jesus did not deserve the death, but he submitted to God's will and died in our place as us; we do not deserve the blessings, but by Christ's obedience, death, and resurrection, we are made Sons, destined for heaven; and as the Apostle Paul said, for the believer to die is gain. Eternity VS Temporality.

[@kalifsonbigboy9539]

Nameless.... fate UNMENTIONED in the Bible..Job lived as a happy man rich and with the most beautiful daughters in the land, So says scripture. Any man who ADDS words to this book or take away from it...his name shall be STRICKEN from the book of life. So says the word of God. please provide the vrse and book they were named in or mentioned singularly...I will gladly accept and apologize if these children were again mentioned not the trials...the children that were betted upon.

[@PT-TOC]

Respectfully, I disagree, if He created us does He not owes us his sovereignty. How can God create something and abandon it, that's not Godly. Regardless if we're sinners, we never asked to exist.

[@KariKidd]

This relationship is too much of a reminder of an abusive relationship for me. " Love me and only me or you will suffer for eternity."

[@mcsh2457]

God doesn’t say love only me - He does say love me MORE than anyone/ anything else

[@ademyilmaz5327]

Except that God is love and not man.

[@beastfromtheabyss]

@@ademyilmaz5327 how is he love, when he's willing to torture you forever?

[@michaelregis1015]

@@mcsh2457 semantics. The point is he says love me above all, and don't you dare love any other god.

[@BrandonBurx]

​@@ademyilmaz5327 "Love" dosen't command people to commit genocide

[@h.a.b.arguille1896]

It truly, truly amazes me that anyone could find this interpretation of violence in the Old Testament honest and just. God proved on countless occasions that he was jealous, petty, megalomaniacal, and eager to destroy those that he claimed to love as well as those that he hated. The argument that he need not justify what he does because he is the "supreme authority" is absolutely false, because a sufficiently powerful dictator could make the EXACT same case, and have JUST AS MUCH evidence to support the statement. There is as much evidence for the existence of God, as there is evidence that Hitler was a god. Absolutely none. The deeds of the Old Testament, carried out by illiterate and barbaric desert tribesmen, satisfied the basic human urge to cause pain, suffering and eventually death; that they were led by a hallucination makes it no better.

[@booyaka870]

How you justify your own violence by making these claims?

[@Ashclayton1994]

​@@booyaka870 sounds like you dont know what "violence" means

[@booyaka870]

@@Ashclayton1994 It sounds like you're making assumption(s). But please appease my suspicion. EDIT: To add something about the original post: It seems like it compares people to God. Worshipping God as a created being is idolatry. I agree with you that that is wrong. Though God is not a created being and therefore cannot be equally compared.

[@whirlsnwaves]

Insanity.

[@resumacast]

Their god is Satan! They just don’t know it: “he was an assassin since the beggining”. Who kills is Satan. One of the missions of Jesus was to win against death. These people take everything is said about the creator as plain truth without acknowledging the real character of the Creator. Jesus said who sees me sees the father I do only when my father does. Would Jesus kill children in the name of his father? No, so forget. That’s is not his father. The author either are lying, covering their atrocities as it was commanded by Jesus father or that’s definitely not the Almighty father of our saviour.

[@Gary_The_Gray]

@@resumacast ~ Learn the whole, real story. Learn of the work of the devil to contaminate the human race. Chuck Missler tells the truth of the Nephilim. So does Michael Heiser and L.A.Marzulli. Do your homework. KZbin search them.

[@Gary_The_Gray]

@max marrero ~ Piper isn't telling us the whole story. KZbin search Nephilim then do your homework.

[@jotaroandtheworldofdolphin79]

Nailed it in one Word.

[@kdoggaming4289]

Im starting to think that god dictates heaven and wants people to be murderd so he can continue to rule his world

[@zeitgeist5134]

It's not just the question of a God that murders at will. The greatest dilemma facing someone who believes in an Omnipotent God is the question, "When someone is subjected to appalling suffering, why doesn't an Omnipotent God use his power to intervene, why is he content to merely observe? Any father in that circumstance would act immediately to stop the suffering of his child. Yet God merely watches. Either an omnipotent God is amoral and coldhearted, or he is a psychopathic voyeur. The people who first posited the idea of an omnipotent God didn't think it through, didn't perceive the implications. The only answer to this dilemma is to let go of the idea of an omnipotent God. You can believe in some sort of God, just not an omnipotent God. It brings to mind the angels in Wim Wender's movie, "Wings of Desire". The angels are deeply moral beings, deeply compassionate beings, who themselves suffer anguish when they observe suffering...and suffer anguish because they are not able to intervene. They are morally superior to the God worshipped by the Christians who, in these comments, assert that their God has the right to kill, has the right not to intervene to stop suffering. There is a blind, cold-hearted moral vacuity in their assertion. Me, I'm with Wim Wender's angels.

[@birdstuckinchimney]

What an incredibly dangerous man!

[@harrrgh944]

birdstuckinchimney ...maybe you can get some therapy or take some pills to calm yourself down...

[@leeandalicja]

birdstuckinchimney i agree...i am a believer but this man is talking some serious rubbish.

[@harrrgh944]

leeandalicja You better run from people who think Christian Believers are "dangerous", especially when they add generalizing superlatives such as "incredibly"! When someone gives themselves a channel name that conjures us an unpleasant mental image, gravitates to a video with a gory title, & starts ragging on believers, you want to say "thanks for the warning" & stay well away from them in reality, don't give them your name on here or anything. THEY are the "dangerous" one! Takes one to know one, as the commonism states...

[@princessdiamond4683]

birdstuckinchimney Well, you could seek some help & counselling for yourself, & maybe change your diet, to some eat less "inflammatory" foods...

[@princessdiamond4683]

leeandalicja It's rubbish what Job said? "The Lord giveth & the Lord taketh away!" That means He knows best about who should live on the earth & how they leave this paradigm to go on to the eternity they deserve...

[@andree4726]

This guy didn’t even answer the question

[@soioioioioioio34]

Well he has no answers he's lieing

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

I answer the question on my channel. Warfare playlist series.

[@1stribe]

​@soioioioioioio34 How many times have we killed living things throughout our lives and we didn't even create them? How much more for God who create it to have the right to take it?

[@PrinceRodriguez-jo5yn]

He did Don't you understand

[@pilgrimpiper7832]

As much as I respect Pastor John Piper I have to disagree with the specific point about capital punishment (i.e., the death penalty as currently enacted in the US). 1) It negates the possibility of redemption (some murderers have subsequently found Christ) 2) There is the possibility of the miscarriage of justice, i.e., people wrongly sentenced to execution. There are many innocent people who would now be dead if they had been in a country which had the death penalty. Any system which has that as a possibility must be wrong.

[@jermaineknight]

There are no innocent people unless you are in the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

@@jermaineknight innocent people are born all the time. Whether they stay that way is another matter. But I'm not buying this voodoo about a creator. Seems a bit desperate and fanciful.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@jermaineknight And even He couldn't sort out a blood libel, Inquisition, slave trade, Thirty Years War, or avert many schisms. Or end slavery within Christendom, timely? Or warn that Augustine would screw up interpreting 1 Corinthians 10, and Matthew 27:25? And ultimately, some Elohim did not apparently design angels as all equally sane or knowledgeable? It is hard to set clear yardsticks, here. Now, how old, were the youngest, put to death, in 1 Kings 14.

[@mattr.1887]

If you get a chance, sometimes you should explain your view to the families of the victims of rape and murder.

[@rishnasrasheed7414]

What a farce. Capital punishment is necessary. If u believe otherwise ur ignorant af. The ideal world with a perfect system doesnt exist bro.. humans have limits. You cant save someone who doesnt want to be saved.. when someone kills someone else u just cant let him go even if it was a mistake. The only rightful person who can forgive him or condemn him to capital punishment should be the victims families. Justice is for them.. not for u.. u who has not lost anyone or anything shouldnt be saying oh but he might become a good person afyer a few years.. or regret the crime.. and thre are crimes in which there is no other option but to enforce capital punishment.. What u should be saying is to reform the prison system so that inmates are treated as humans so that they can come back and rejoin society as a human.

[@nightskyabc]

The God of the Old Testament was a demon Do your research. Never does Jesus call his father Yaweh Yaweh was a demon

[@MrShreds22]

you would be correct Yahweh was infact Samael.

[@maxmarrero-sb5ej]

@@MrShreds22 Exactly , Hosea 13 :7-8 and Revelation 13 :1-2 is the exact same evil entity. He's end is near because we are awakened.

[@MrShreds22]

@@maxmarrero-sb5ej i wouldn't worry about him anymore. he has already been defeated casted into the lake of fire.

[@leovandenheuvel5814]

God will take 50, 000 lives every day because he is just that nice of a person.

[@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040]

It's scary to listen to this old man justifying collective murder as something just and commendable. Hope when bad guys come to his house he doesn't dial 911, just to prove God's mercy on him when these guys would be murdering him.

[@scythee7775]

His justifications about the morality of the gods also make no sense. God gave us life so that God could take everyone's life. This is not even an explanation, there are no moral standards in it, with the same reasoning, if you gave someone life, you can do whatever you want with it? The same reasoning in the Middle Ages, when the priests persecuted everyone who went against their will, using the same doctrine. Suppressing and killing anyone who opposed him, with all this "free will" talk. When in reality we are nobody and God can do whatever he wants, killing anyone. Crazy dictator.

[@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040]

@@scythee7775 That's why I walked away from religion as psycho god didn't make any sense to me. Afterlife does exist though, you can hear more about it in this interview where Professor Stafford Betty (California State University) talks to Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD in Forensic Psychology on his "New Thinking Allowed" KZbin channel. Type "The Spiritualist Vision of the Afterlife with Stafford Betty" to see how things work after our time in this realm is up.

[@thorazine8402]

A god owes nothing to a 7 year-old who was raped? How utterly sickening for people to value their lives so little. People: you are more moral than your god.

[@javiervelasquez6478]

Dont play stupid

[@anntrejo]

I don't think you understood what he was saying there.

[@MrCmon113]

@@anntrejo That's what he was explicitly saying. If you think there is anything at all wrong with a seven year old being raped, then you are against Yahwe.

[@moniicamonz7649]

But God doesn't like suffering so why cause that suffering then?

[@Zebulunies]

Sin

[@CristOportunidad]

Through the suffering in this life we learn to be grateful for what God has done for us

[@CristOportunidad]

Same thing with Evil, in the matter of free will comes love and good, but also the lack of it.

[@trithos7308]

​@@CristOportunidadthat's not a good enough answer. If good is omnipotent, he could just make everyone understand what he is keeping them from. If suffering is necessary for free will, will we be mindless zombies in heaven because there is no suffering? And if not, why couldn't god just have done that?

[@CristOportunidad]

@@trithos7308 my dog died today. I am very grieved because of the suffering this has brought. God could have saved him, but he didn't. Instead, he answered my father's prayers and the pet passed away with all of his family around him. God is good, He is omnipotent and omnipresent. He is also omniscient, meaning he knows all. All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to his purpose. This pain will go away, actually all we see will fade away; it is what is unseen that will remain forever. This life and its suffering is infinitely smaller than the afterlife. God is love, and love is eternal. We are in this fallen world being tested for such a small time, yet we value it more than the forever that is to come. God is good, He knows what he is doing. My friend, you have been offered the free gift of salvation from this fallen world into an eternity of joy, where everything that is good will be manifested in one place. Use your free will, and choose Jesus, the one who came into this earth to suffer with us, take our punishment and save us from our sin. (also this is a John Piper video, Calvinism is false btw) I love you and i hope you can one day see how much more he loves you. And dont forget, God allows the bad so that we can recognize and accept the good. Heaven will be awesome! And all tears will be wiped from our faces.

[@sunnyl7330]

So God can kill, and he can even command ME to kill, but I should be put to death for the taking of a life????... Yet Gods commandments says "thou shall not kill" ???... I've been really hurting and confused about God, and if he really loves me and my family, that's how I got here. This has made me more confused than ever.

[@iamrealniko]

Well Gods commandments apply to humans, not to Him, and if he commands a human to kill, it's different than if a human kills by his own choice, because ultimately, as far as I understand, the problem with humans killing humans is that we don't have the right to decide who lives and who dies, only God does So when God commands someone to kill, it was Gods decision who dies, so it's justified, cause everyone will die eventually right? and God has to make a choice when that will happen either way, so if he chooses it to be today instead of in 50 years, it's His right to do so Hope I could help, I am often hurting and confused about God too but I pray and eventually get answers

[@InspiredHTV]

@@iamrealniko Absolute nonsense you just typed. Not biblical at all. Scripture says the moral law is WRITTEN ON OUR HEARTS!!! Morality isnt a result of evolution, its FROM GOD Our moral compass is a direct extension of Gods nature. God is slow to anger, wishes no violence on anyone, etc. To say God can break his own moral code is insanity. Its literally his NATURE. Evil and wickedness is foreign to Gods nature. Stop trying to turn God into a monster with unblclical nonsense.

[@iamrealniko]

​@@InspiredHTV first of all I never said morality is a result of evolution, that would be silly. Second of all I did not say God can break his own moral code, that would also be silly. What I said is, it's NOT immoral for God to take a life in the first place taking a life is only immoral if a human does it, only for the reason that it's not up to a human to choose who lives and who dies If God takes someones life, it's not immoral, because it IS up to God to choose who lives and who dies If you think that's wrong, please do give me scripture or catechisms that show otherwise

[@Lowclasswarrior778]

@@iamrealnikoIf god cannot break his own moral code he is limited and thus not all powerful. Also no that just makes him a d**k

[@robinsydney140]

he Savior Jesus Christ had to come from the bloodline of the Children of Israel. The enemy knowing this tried to thwart the Plan of Salvation by making everything possible to avoid Jesus from ever being born in the flesh. Remember Herod trying to destroy the children younger than age two? Well, in the Old Testament, God had to order those heathen people to be destroyed because they had abhorrent practices that had corrupted the DNA so much that they were not salvageable any more, and the devil was using them to destroy the bloodline (Children of Israel) from which the Savior had to come. He tried this by tempting them to intermarrying with those pagans which would have prevented Jesus from having a perfect body to accomplish the almost impossible mission of saving mankind. Then you and me and everybody else in this world would have had no chance of being saved.

[@sbnwnc]

What you have learned to trust is a story that you have been told and you grew up with it so it seems true to you. I grew up with the same story. But all you have to do is imagine yourself not believing it and then ask yourself, "how would I convince myself that it's true," and you'll see that you probably can't. I definitely respect Christianity, and if you have faith in it, that's great. I just don't think that it's rationally justifiable.

[@booyaka870]

Christianity is not justified by you or me but by God. You don't convince yourself that it's true. God is not asking you to believe a lie but the truth. You believe it's true or you reject it. Either reject or believe. There isn't a third option like "I don't know how to believe." You believe enough to believe by rejection alternatively you already believe but you reject it and want to do your own thing even though you know it's wrong and try to justify why it isn't.

[@sbnwnc]

@@booyaka870 So it was okay to kill babies? Got it.

[@sbnwnc]

@JJ France You think it is okay to kill women and children?

[@ac0mpleteunkn0wn]

It is frightening to hear this talking about god and murder.

[@yourdad587]

Definitely never picked up a bible in your life, eh?

[@danktube21]

@max marrero read psalms 137:1-9 not just 9 bruh

[@yoshi9706]

@max marrero read numbers 31 17-18

[@Nameless-pt6oj]

It’s frightening to see atheists ignore the context and still convince people.

[@clyderue7108]

God does more evil than satan lol sometimes I think that God just created satan so he can take the blame

[@masiya3802]

What horrible take from a horrible human being. There's no way we can say God is all good if he does bad things.

[@themissmay]

As a very recent believer both sides of the comments make some sense to me. What is becoming very apparent in the difference between those who don’t believe is that they think they know or could even know what is .... what’s right or what the world even is at all. The whole point of God to admit you know nothing. To come to terms with how small you really are. I think that those who have a harsh reaction to this video ultimately have a problem with not being in charge or giving up any illusion of power and control over themselves... To be worthy of God and a perfect life means to let go of yourself and give up your free will in a sense... to give back the choice that he gave you in the first place. It feels so much better once you admit and submit to what IS - - to the truth - - to God almighty. Only he can know and that’s the whole point. None of us have the answers.

[@paulgavian90]

As a conflicted believer, I respect this response. I still think God is kinda unfair but unfortunately he's the Creator 🤷

[@horanghae9489]

​@@paulgavian90how is God unfair?

[@trithos7308]

Funny you say that, it's actually the other way around. Those that believe claim to know all. There is zero evidence for Christianity. None. Yet here they are claiming to know how the world works, with murder literally being commanded by their god to murder babies and they have the nerve to say that would be a good god. And you don't need to explain anything because "how could we know". Yeah, how the fuck do you know Christianity could be real? Why the f* are you following a being that by all modern moral standards is awful?

[@InspiredHTV]

Stop trying to mental gymnastics that killing babies is okay in any sense. God put his morality, which is an extension of HIS OWN NATURE on our hearts. So why does God go against his own nature by killing innocent beautiful babies? I know you despise people but seriously, babies are unable to be hated. god is beyond evil by his own definition.

[@StudyReport-h6l]

The LORD is not our God. It is Satan. Satan has the authority over the Earth because Adam and Eve sinned and became slave to sin and gave Satan right to rule over the world. Remember when Satan appeared to Jesus to tempt Him, he said "All this authority I will give to you because it has been delivered to me(Satan), only if you bow down and worship me". Since, Adam and Eve sinned, God lost the jurisdiction over this planet Earth. That's why Jesus said in His prayer (the Lord's Prayer) "Your kingdom come. Your will be done ON EARTH as it in IN HEAVEN". Jesus asked for God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven. This simply means that God's will is not done on Earth. Jesus said "Who has seen me as seen the Father". This means that God is not a accuser, murderer, slow to anger, kind, humble, sober, meek, deliverer, does not give eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth. Whereas, the LORD in the Old Testament did those things which is completely contrary to the nature of God, our Father. Now, this is why Paul says in the Bible that there is a veil on those who read the Old Testament because our Father also speaks to people in the name of LORD and Satan does also. That's why it is written to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD". Many times in the New Testament, Jesus Christ rejected the words of Yahweh (the LORD) and gave a new law like the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth or take oaths in the name of the LORD. Jesus also said "Every Good thing is from God" and "No one is Good exceot God" which makes clear that many times Satan used the name of the LORD to kill, steal and destroy and did those things which are Evil. The LORD in the Old Testament brought prople to bondage but Jesus said "I have come to set the captives free". Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE" also Jesus said "Every Kingdom divided against itself will never stand". This means that Jesus's Kingdom and Father's Kingdom was not divided but was ONE. So, when Jesus rejected the LORD'S words in the Old Testament, Jesus was not going against His Kingdom but Jesus was going against the Kingdom of Satan/Darkness. This is every evident that the theory of "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, foot for foot, hand for hand" is a Satanic theory said by Satan in the name of the LORD to defame our Father, God. Remove this veil. I have scriptures to prove each and every point I am saying. I am not quoting it because the message will get very long. But, if you want the scriptures, ask me in the reply of this comment and I will give you.

[@maddyg2320]

This man has me almost speechless. How pathetic that ppl actually think that way and defend that disgusting book which was written by liars to promote and justify their own sick & twisted agenda!

[@angelasantana9288]

May God forgive you for your words of hate 💔

[@maddyg2320]

@@angelasantana9288 ... Lol, if you're referring to the god in the bible then that god can kiss my A$$ as I don't need his forgiveness 👍

[@angelasantana9288]

@@maddyg2320 You poor soul 💔 God bless you

[@ayushabraham7782]

Why do you think so..??

[@maddyg2320]

@@ayushabraham7782 ... The Piso fam wrote it all with the help of Rome and Greece. Even the OT was written in Greek and later translated to Hebrew as the oldest copy of the OT is the Septuagint and not the other way around. I'd recommend ppl read The True Authorship of the New Testament and also Hebrew is Greek. There are countless books that expose the buybull for what it is, but most ppl are biased and ignore facts. It was hard for me to accept this fact at first but I continued researching thus am positive that none of it is from the creator. Still, to each their own.

[@faisonhoward9191]

To answer this we must first explain holiness and righteousness of God..God's justice is always from this. God said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy.

[@kcgrappler]

Exactly! There is always a theological context we need to set when trying to think through these questions carefully. Piper's answers are thoughtful, careful, and properly nuanced. I appreciate that about his teaching and ministry.

[@zuby985]

There is nothing holy or righteous about killing innocent children.

[@DexterWhite-v8i]

It was okay because we are His creation and He can do with us what He wants.

[@maxmarrero-sb5ej]

Screw you.

[@StuUngar]

The ok for innocent people to be killed bc of something their neighbors did is exactly what the Taliban uses in its justification for terrorist activity. So by extension, we could assume the narrator agrees with terrorist plots as long as it’s for Christian purposes and the perpetrators believe that they are carrying out God’s will.

[@doggycatalan]

Exactly! These people are insane!

[@LRM5195]

Just finished reading Exodus 22 and here I am lol. I love reading the Bible but there’s so much, especially in the Old Testament, that I just can’t wrap my head around. He says not to murder, then 2 pages later he wants everyone’s firstborn. Is there a difference between murder and sacrifice? Imagine a woman spending 6 days with a beautiful newborn baby and then on the 7th, the baby is headless or being burned alive.

[@pieterplatvis4286]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6PUn6uNartqqMksi=o93IfBILZVKdWDAx

[@InspiredHTV]

The OT stories seem to be written in the same style of the culture of the time (ancient middle east warrior culture). But isn't God above all mans ways and above all mans culture influence? The conclusion I have gathered is that the people writing the OT and involved didn't understand the full revelation from God, because remember, Gods character wasn't fully revealed until Jesus. And wat did Jesus do? Healed and fed everyone. Forgave anyone who had faith in him. DIdnt kill anyone, yet actually raised Lazarus from the dead. I don't think the writers of the OT were in perfect revelation and communication with God, and they for sure didn't fully understand Gods true character because Jesus had not appeared yet and revealed Gods nature. Just like 99% of christians today, they think theyre hearing from God. I dont believe God actually commanded the killing of babies. Its just not Gods nature anywhere

[@StudyReport-h6l]

The LORD is not our God. It is Satan. Satan has the authority over the Earth because Adam and Eve sinned and became slave to sin and gave Satan right to rule over the world. Remember when Satan appeared to Jesus to tempt Him, he said "All this authority I will give to you because it has been delivered to me(Satan), only if you bow down and worship me". Since, Adam and Eve sinned, God lost the jurisdiction over this planet Earth. That's why Jesus said in His prayer (the Lord's Prayer) "Your kingdom come. Your will be done ON EARTH as it in IN HEAVEN". Jesus asked for God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven. This simply means that God's will is not done on Earth. Jesus said "Who has seen me as seen the Father". This means that God is not a accuser, murderer, slow to anger, kind, humble, sober, meek, deliverer, does not give eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth. Whereas, the LORD in the Old Testament did those things which is completely contrary to the nature of God, our Father. Now, this is why Paul says in the Bible that there is a veil on those who read the Old Testament because our Father also speaks to people in the name of LORD and Satan does also. That's why it is written to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD". Many times in the New Testament, Jesus Christ rejected the words of Yahweh (the LORD) and gave a new law like the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth or take oaths in the name of the LORD. Jesus also said "Every Good thing is from God" and "No one is Good exceot God" which makes clear that many times Satan used the name of the LORD to kill, steal and destroy and did those things which are Evil. The LORD in the Old Testament brought prople to bondage but Jesus said "I have come to set the captives free". Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE" also Jesus said "Every Kingdom divided against itself will never stand". This means that Jesus's Kingdom and Father's Kingdom was not divided but was ONE. So, when Jesus rejected the LORD'S words in the Old Testament, Jesus was not going against His Kingdom but Jesus was going against the Kingdom of Satan/Darkness. This is every evident that the theory of "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, foot for foot, hand for hand" is a Satanic theory said by Satan in the name of the LORD to defame our Father, God. Remove this veil. I have scriptures to prove each and every point I am saying. I am not quoting it because the message will get very long. But, if you want the scriptures, ask me in the reply of this comment and I will give you.

[@robf1801]

@@InspiredHTV Problem is, Jesus never refuted or corrected any of the old testament stories or laws, and claims to be the son of (essentially one and the same) the OT God.

[@marymonsour9217]

​@user-bb6rp6yk2x Yes, please, I want more

[@davestrongman9519]

The idea that we’re born sinners and deserve hell is kinda twisted. Even if we are born sinners, burning eternally for something we were created as seems beyond harsh.

[@michaelbee2165]

Pick up a Bible sir and read it.

[@davestrongman9519]

@@michaelbee2165 which version?

[@to6955]

Conditional Immortality. Chris Date. Read about it.

[@notofthisworld5267]

Exactly! Lol over a stupid fruit tree in a garden. Ridiculous. There is no god anyway. MKe the best of your life, because now is all we have. There are no magical places where the streets are gold. Only in the minds of humanity. And they've got some big imaginations.

[@nihar1987]

Let me translate that into plain english. "God is a tyrant who can kill as he pleases because he created it all in the first place." There, fixed your headline.

[@GaudioWind]

It's like saying that we cannot distinguish God from the Devil by his acts. Can we?

[@petratical]

Yes, we can distinguish, as John say's " He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. 1 John 3:8 and 10.

[@natgenesis5038]

Gaudio Wind God is more evil than devil himself

[@andrewt248]

So, if you think God dealt harshly with sin and rebellion in the Old Testament, you're at the very beginning of getting a picture of what Jesus bore on our behalf on the cross.

[@MrCmon113]

Lol. Your god murdered and enslaved those people. They didn't do anything to him. He is a monster, a purely selfish bully.

[@bensurrey6836]

Frank Turek would give his strangely happy and excited, "God is infinite, we are finite. He can takes us out anytime he wants."

[@jancat6474]

God doesn't work like that!

[@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKorea]

@@jancat6474 Jan, I honestly believe if we were to make our Biblical Heavenly Father moral according to any timeline past the dark ages, we would have to correct more than probably 80% of the entire Bible. And oh, yeah, most of them being in the OT. So yeah, God doesn't work like how he is written in the Bible.

[@FINESTGAMER100]

@@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKorea if he doesnt then is it safe to assume the bibles not true?

[@ribsybrown510]

@@FINESTGAMER100 Correct 💯👍🏾

[@rainjb]

@@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKorea What is your basis for absolute morality?

[@DanielPerez-xl6lf]

At least murderers take responsibility for their actions and are willing to face justice, the consequences. But religious people will say it's part of gods plan that I killed that babie. And Jesus died for my sins.therefore I'm saved because I pray everyday.

[@bailujen8052]

If God was in court, he would be in prison for trillions of years

[@nathanaelmukyanga3866]

Bailujen watch your mouth

[@FrNSICs]

Nathanael Mukyanga why? is god gonna prove him right?

[@bailujen8052]

@@nathanaelmukyanga3866 that is for a sentence a lawyer would do if god turned mortal

[@michaelregis1015]

@@FrNSICs sick burn

[@FilmPro09]

Another poor human twisted by the evil of religion. Learn about these people, kids, so that you can protect your own children in the future from this poison.

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, why do you believe that killing children is wrong?

[@FilmPro09]

@@johnzuma4688 Killing any human besides yourself can be considered wrong if they prefer to still be living. What kind of question is that? You just made yourself look very ridiculous by even asking this. 😂

[@johnzuma4688]

@@FilmPro09 So I take you you have no problem to tell me on what you base your claim that killing a human being is wrong. Or is that just something YOU feel to wrong? If that is the case, then someone else (Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc) might feel that it is NOT wrong and as we have seen murder millions. So tell me, why do YOU believe that killing people is wrong? And as you put in the addition "if they prefer to live", you obviously have no problem in killing someone when they decides they don't want to live.

[@FilmPro09]

@@johnzuma4688 you should read my answer more clearly and not make presumptions that you have no basis on making. I said “can be considered wrong”… is that misunderstood by you? It’s obvious you were going to respond the way you did even if I said evil flying puppies are the only ones allowed to kill humans. Again, you should have proofread your initial question and my answer first. Does your basis for morality stem from a murdering, sexist, enslaving god who also created all the people you listed? Don’t try to simplify a complex issue by listing off someone else’s comments.

[@johnzuma4688]

@@FilmPro09 My friend, always remember, it is not what you say that is important, only how you are understood. You say >> “can be considered wrong” > It’s obvious you were going to respond the way you did even if I said evil flying puppies are the only ones allowed to kill humans. > Again, you should have proofread your initial question and my answer first. > Does your basis for morality stem from a murdering, sexist, enslaving god who also created all the people you listed? > Don’t try to simplify a complex issue by listing off someone else’s comment

[@Axel_Monroe300]

I’m sorry but this is complete bullshit. I agree that if god kills me or you he has done us no wrong that’s correct. However what about a 2 week old or a donkey who has no sin. The Bible says death is the punishment of sin so why does a little baby or an animal die if they haven’t sinned? Someone might argue that the moment Adam sinned, death affected us all but this is wrong because it’s morally wrong. Killing a little child is never justifiable

[@joycembeboh1877]

i like how he didn't sugar coat it either, that something i have to learn...

[@Whyboi007]

Depends on your audience can’t use this for all people they will not listen to you

[@BootneyFonsworth1969]

Crazy AF

[@wizolufa1452]

I wish God would have been taught to us as this dictator like being who can kill your baby at 2 weeks and you dare not question him, instead of the fallacy we were thought of a kind loving God who hesitates to kill

[@jasont5300]

The only reason we still have breath in our lungs is because God grants it to us. Who are we? We are nothing. We owe what life we have to Him. He has appointed even the boundaries of where we live. He has appointed the time of our conception to even the exact day and time of our death. Job 14:5. The fear of the Lord is wisdom.

[@blancaroca8786]

@@jasont5300 soon we may not have breath in our lungs as humans are capable of contaminating and destroying everything. God is not going to interfere in such physics and chemistry we humans have to use our brains and get our act together and stop fighting and destroying everything.

[@hereami4651]

Entitlement is the problem. How am I, a rebellious sinner worthy of life? Without the Blood of Jesus, I am as lost as the next guy.

[@TomeRodrigo]

There are many people who are excited to be punished just for breathing and doing absolutely nothing wrong. You look like one of them.

[@hereami4651]

@@TomeRodrigo That's the ironic part !! It's not about what I have done !! It's what JESUS has done for me 2,000 years ago. It is finished. God doesn't want your perfection - He wants your heart.

[@bradvincent2586]

Read your Bible. Jesus values your life. You are worth the blood of Jesus. That’s his idea, not mine. You are adopting a false humility and in the meantime maligning the character of God, even if you’re technically correct.

[@MrCmon113]

@@hereami4651 No, he wants your foreskin, that's abundantly clear in the bible.

[@CaptnHampton22]

What a terrible answer lol

[@Lonelythoughts3]

The Old Testament was never god to begin with but the work of the devil

[@MrBadway_636]

😆

[@edlaoyeah]

It’s the only answer. God owns our lives He has every Right to Take what’s His. As Pastor John States it is merely by His Grace that we are living each day, the only reason why man is incapable of accepting this truth is because of his entitlement to life, life that’s not his to begin with but the ONE who created him. If you call yourself a christian evaluate who you worship, if you worship a god who aint sovereign then that must mean he isnt all powerful and all knowing enough to understand his creation neither their limits and their full potential. If that is your god, that aint the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[@robinsydney140]

@@edlaoyeah Actually, there is a better answer than that. First, we have to take a look into who those people were that God ordered to be destroyed. God put into action the plan of salvation immediately after Adam and Eve fell. After the flood and the peoples dispersed, and according to this plan, God called Abraham and made a covenant with him. God chose Abraham because all those around him were idolaters and he worshipped the true God. He made a covenant with Abraham telling him that He would make him a great nation and that all the families on earth would be blessed in him (Abraham). From him, were the children of Israel born. As part of this plan of salvation, a Savior would be born as a descendant of Abraham; and this Savior who would die instead of the sinner; this was to be Jesus Christ. The reason all families on earth would be blessed in Abraham is that Jesus would come from Abraham’s bloodline. Knowing this, the enemy, tried to thwart the plan of salvation by preventing Jesus from ever existing in the flesh. The reason why God gave the children of Israel the health laws, for example, was so that the Savior to be born would have the best of genetics to withstand the tremendous mission He had to accomplish. The pagans had abhorrent practices through which their DNA had become so corrupted that there was no chance for them to ever turn to God; they were already lost. Should the children of Israel get their genetics mixed with the degraded heathen people by intermarrying them, the Savior would have never been born and me and you, and the whole world would have been lost forever. Remember how Herod send for Baby Jesus to be destroyed? So, to answer the question, God had to order the destruction of those heathen people because they were already lost, and they posed a trap for the children of Israel to disappear as a people and, consequently, the Savior would not be able to die for us.

[@NicholasMcGuire-yd7zh]

@user-xe3xv4fu5v Your wrong…

[@alfonsocamacho2234]

Either a killing God or a god commanding people to kill is not good...

[@s.d.melcher]

So, should God have given someone like Hitler a cozy home and ice cream? You don’t understand God, which is understandable because He is very complex, but assuredly, God is the only good one.

[@alfonsocamacho2234]

@@s.d.melcher Hitler was a sinner just like you and me and everyone else ... I suggest you dust off your old Bible and read it.. you'll find out that your 'good' god is racist, jealous, vengeful,killer,etc..i rather have a god that doesn't send me to a sea of eternal flames when i commit a sin.... According to the Bible he's like living in a house with an abusive father, always punishing at the minimum fault. Look for the GOD OF BARUCH DE SPINOZA for what a god should be with his children ❤️

[@freespiritpearl89]

​@s.d.melcher Wow you are insane.

[@s.d.melcher]

@@freespiritpearl89 Care to debate that statement? Your assertion is easily tested… and so is mine; that God is the only good entity among us. If you’re willing, tell me, do you think you’re a good person?

[@alfonsocamacho2234]

@@s.d.melcher the Bible is full of nasty things... Rape, incest, murders, beheadings, racism, clasism, wars, etc... all made in the name of one god.... I rather have a good god... Please read the God of Baruch de Spinoza.. it describes how a good god should be... That's why Albert Einstein believed in this god... You'll thank me later...

[@ademyilmaz5327]

The default of man is to judge God by man’s carnal and lustful desires, mainly to be gods. “All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.” ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16-17 KJV “And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ The serpents (satan’s) seed Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44 KJV The woman’s Seed (Jesus) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 KJV “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/1/isa.55.8-9.KJV

[@MikeJunior94]

One does not need to be an atheist/agnostic to realize how asinine this answer is. What kind of father would create sentient, conscious beings, only to slaughter them and cause extreme harm? I guess God can torture babies as well, nothing morally wrong with that... he created the babies! Such absurdity.

[@MikeJunior94]

SkysJAy Bullshit. Nowhere does the text indicate that.

[@MikeJunior94]

SkysJAy Ehm, Piper isn't talking about Genesis 6, which doesn't talk about angel orgies btw, but about passages in Numbers, 1 Samuel and Deuteronomy. It makes no sense to bring up what you are bringing up.

[@ianyboo]

SkysJAy Who created Satan?

[@NotOfThisWorld567]

BecomingMike *"...only to slaughter them and cause extreme harm?"* For you, the atheist, you think the worst thing that can happen to you is death because you believe that that is the end for you. As a Christian, I know that death is not my final destination, but an eternal life with Jesus is. So from your perspective (*which is based on your choice to reject Jesus Christ*) death is the end for you and the One you think is responsible (even though the Spirit of God will be taken from you *from your own choice to reject Jesus and not as a result of God's choice* to kill your flesh) for bringing that to you is to be hated, but from the Christian perspective it is not. *"What kind of father would create sentient, conscious beings,..."* The kind of Father who wants us to *choose Him* using our own will which he equipped us with through our sentience. For those who choose Him, it is not the end and death could never be defined as "extreme harm." 1 For we know that *if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved*, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, *eternal in the heavens*. 2 For in this *we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven*: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 *For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon*, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 2 Cor 5:1-4 (KJV) Your argument is valid, but only to you (the rejector of God), because you alone will suffer "extreme harm" from your death, when you die, but those who accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour will not. *When God kills me, God is doing me a favor, but when He kills you, He is bringing judgement upon your head for your choices*.

[@ianyboo]

NotOfThisWorld567 sorry but you can't just make up an imaginary thing like "eternal life" and then use that to justify yourself. You have to actually provide evidence that such a thing is possible for it to be a valid argument, as it stands now you've simply asserted that death is not the end but given us no justification for that assertion. Your Bible verses give us the claim, That's fine, the claim is step one now comes step two where you give us the evidence. If you can't give us that then we are well within our right to dismiss your claim.

[@shiphrahhopeful]

*Hear it from the horses mouth:* John Calvin said, "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." John Calvin said, “Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed." John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.” *Now, let’s apply these quotes to rape, incest, child abuse & murder…* John Calvin said, " rape, incest, child abuse & murder happens because the Lord deemed it meet that they should." John Calvin said, “rape, incest, child abuse & murder are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that no rape, incest, child abuse & murder happens but what He has knowingly and willingly decreed." John Calvin said, “Whatever rape, incest, child abuse & murder are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very acts are the right and just works of God.” *That is the Calvinist doctrine of Sovereignty.*

[@InnerMittenSignal]

Do you really like saying those words over & over to prove some spurious point of doctrine? You have to realise how your annoyance factor is pushing the point you're trying to make off to the side somewhere. You're typing to the air my friend, no one is listening...

[@cristovive8398]

Calvinism is not the bible. We must believe what the bible says.

[@robinsydney140]

The Savior Jesus Christ had to come from the bloodline of the Children of Israel. The enemy knowing this tried to thwart the Plan of Salvation by making everything possible to avoid Jesus from ever being born in the flesh. Remember Herod trying to destroy the children younger than age two? Well, in the Old Testament, God had to order those heathen people to be destroyed because they had abhorrent practices that had corrupted the DNA so much that they were not salvageable any more, and the devil was using them to destroy the bloodline (Children of Israel) from which the Savior had to come. He tried this by tempting them to intermarrying with those pagans which would have prevented Jesus from having a perfect body to accomplish the almost impossible mission of saving mankind. Then you and me and everybody else in this world would have had no chance of being saved.

[@aesthetics1726]

I’ll add this video to my playlist and show it to anyone who ever says “religion never hurt anyone.” It has quite clearly hurt this man’s mind to the point where he defends child slaughter.

[@davidardelean2832]

Youre kidding me anime person

[@user-sj1tt3ie3z]

I agree with you. I have often asked: 'What would the little children not understand about the k!lling wrote of in the bible?'

[@intothekey]

Just out of curiosity, what's your possession on abortion?

[@JamesRichardWiley]

This is what religion does to a good man. A conscience corrupted by words on a page..

[@GreenEagle-p7z]

But you atheists ain't better😂

[@jonahwoodward3623]

This idea seems to suggest to me that morality is purely arbitrary - that whatever God does is right simply by nature of him being God rather than because the action is truly good. John only calls the ethical practicalities of this scenario into question when humans are involved - does that mean that God is immune to any moral complication? According to this logic, God could perform an atrocious act, but it would still be morally acceptable simply because he is God.

[@jonahwoodward3623]

@4Infinite Well then his morality is by very definition arbitrary. I do not claim to be the arbiter of right and wrong. But I do reserve the right to suggest that maybe sending someone to hell for 10,000 years upon 10,000 years for eternity is maybe not an indication of benevolence or a weighted moral system.

[@phieble]

@@jonahwoodward3623 Logically, being that God is everlasting, supreme and perfect, he MUST be good because no one exceeds him to define good for him and hold him accountable, and since he created all things for his purposes, he defines what is good and evil for them. Scripturally, God is love and needs nothing, so he created the world in order to share his love and happiness with all his creatures in general and his elect maximally and salvifically, and good for us is defined as loving God and being satisfied in him and loving our neighbors rightly, and when we fail to do that we operate against what God created us for which is evil and worthy of eternal punishment because our sins are against an everlasting, infinitely glorious God. For God to punish us temporally and eternally is perfectly just, and whenever he doesn't send someone to Hell it is due to his mercy and his grace that is purchased for us by Jesus' death and resurrection and applied to us by grace through faith. God's righteousness is consistent and his choice in whom he shows mercy and grace to and who he withholds it from is not arbitrary because it's not subject to change and it's not based on nothing-only those in Christ are saved. We are not told in the Bible what factored in to God choosing who was elect and who wasn't, but we are told why not everyone is elect and we are told that God has the right to show mercy to whom he will and withhold it from who he will as the Creator and Judge of all people. So, although he doesn't love all people to the same degree or in the same way, he is still loving inherently and he is not obligated to anyone in loving them sufficiently or wrong toward anyone by loving insufficiently as it pertains to salvation because he doesn't owe anyone anything. Therefore, in all of his ways God is incapable of being evil because his preeminence and will defines it, his nature and character cannot change or deteriorate, and even if that were possible, it would be of no advantage to God to do evil because he has everything he needs in himself to live forever in perfect love and bliss.

[@jonahwoodward3623]

@@phieble But by this interpretation, not only is God good, but it would be impossible for God to be evil. Even if they had created a universe where the maximum number of beings suffered maximally for eternity, this would still be a perfectly good act, because the actor is God. If you want to argue at all that God is not the kind of being who would do such a thing, this is again holding God to a a moral standard external to himself - but according to your argument, God can do whatever he wishes, because he is morally beholden to no one but himself. So any explanation as to why God is good aside from 'because he is God' is not just redundant, but actually incoherent. Saying God is any more good because he is merciful is not true, because he would always have to be perfectly good if he were merely just, or even actively malicious. I find this view to contradict all of my moral intuitions. Perhaps moral intuition is insufficient as an objection. But ultimately, moral intuitions are all we have when judging what is right and wrong (by definition), even if we believe that intuition comes from God. Alternatively, if you take the view that what is good is promoting the wellbeing of conscious creatures, and judge the standard of right and wrong against that, it seems to me that God cannot be good. He designed a world where the punishment for disobeying him (or, more accurately, simply believing he doesn't exist) would cost an eternity in hell, with the knowledge that the majority of humans would meet this fate. He will allow people to suffer in hell, as he has allowed many people and animals to suffer on Earth, without any hope of improvement or escape. The only justification for that punishment is that we had the chance to seek forgiveness, but did not. The only explanation for that punishment is pure vengeance, with no other purpose but to inflict suffering. If such intent is good, or loving, then again, my moral intuitions fail me.

[@phieble]

@@jonahwoodward3623 I think I should clarify my argument if I can - morality is defined as whatever the character of God is eternally / unchangeably, and whatever he commands of us according to his will or what is pleasing to him. Therefore, since goodness is based in the character of God and what pleases him, we have to know what that character is and what it is that pleases him and that depends on special revelation which I know to be the Bible. God inspired / authorized the doctrines of what is true and revealed it to several authors in different places throughout thousands of years and preserved it for us to read in a singular book, and there alone is where we discovered what God's character is and what pleases him. That is what good is, and since God is supreme there is no other objective, authoritative, meaningful definition of good. God has revealed that he is self-sufficient, triune, and loving, which is only logical, and so, he created the world with love as his end- sharing his love and happiness with a group of people of his choosing without them being worthy of it or meeting any conditions to be chosen to love, which of course they couldn't since they were not created yet. Since God had that very specific end in mind when creating, and God is perfect, there could not exist any alternative universe and course of history then the one we have and God could not be different, therefore your hypothetical is not possible and I cannot answer you on those terms. There is no "what if God were this way" or "what if God decided to do this or that," rather the way that God is and the decisions he made as to how to run the universe are perfect and unchangeable. There are certain attributes and character traits that God is not capable of and there are certain desires that he could not possibly have, and I call this good not just because I agree with it dispositionally but because it is the way that it ought to be logically. If there is a God then that God is eternal, self-sufficient, sovereign and happy because of those attributes. God is also triune and exists in three Persons as revealed in the Bible, and so there is relationship in God and that relationship brings complete happiness because it is full of love, and so God is happy and loving and could only create with the intent to share happiness and love as his main end because to do otherwise would reflect something that he is not eternally, that is needy, unsatisfied, angry and hateful. Of course, this takes us right up to the question of why it is that God would plan out, cause, and / or allow things that he hates and is not pleased with when he has the full authority and power to eradicate them, but again, for his purposes, it is good that even that exists and has its place in history, and since he is not committing evil in planning it or allowing it, and he will address all evil and deal with it rightly, he retains his goodness.

[@booyaka870]

Nothing is arbitrary if there is a God whos will is supreme. What ever complication there will ever be will be orchestrated by God, the outcome known and orchestrated by God and no complication will ultimately ever change Gods predetermined plan.

[@narasimah]

Slaves of an imaginary master are really frightening, if a voice in their head command them to kill their on son they do it

[@OSleeperTactical]

Dude. They saw God turn the sun black for 8 days, part a sea and literally appear in a pillar of fire. They collectively as a nation hears his voice out of a cloud of lightning and thunder and saw Moses's face glowing aftwr he got done talking to him. They would have had to be insane to say they were all collectively as a people imagining it. Then there's Egypt. Crops destroyed by locus, fish killed after the water turned to blood. First borns supernaturally dead all In one night. Army destroyed by aformented parted sea. These people saw terrifying acts of God. They would be insane to not listen to him when they said "Go destroy that pagan village."

[@OSleeperTactical]

If you saw the things they saw you'd do just about whatever you were told. Not to mention they were slaves, taken out of their house of bondage. Reason to be grateful. And then they were fed good from heaven. Healed of snake bites. Watched a wall fall from them yelling at it.... Basically this. If you criticise the actions of the Israelites you have to accept that the account of it happening is basically reliable. And that account includes God acting miraculously. You don't want to accept that so you'll reject thst to continue bashing believers but you can't. I mean you can and probably will but it's not honest of you to do. You can't reject part of the source you're using as criticism. It's either one basically reliable source or it's one basically rejected source. Or one source with accurate points, but other stuff added on. But thing is, the supernatural stuff is where the focus is. The normal stuff happens because of the supernatural stuff. Moses doesn't build dams or boats. In fact building those in the time he had would be almost as miraculous as what God did. So because the normal stuff is the effect of the supernatural and a direct result of it, you can throw out both or neither but you can't just throw out the supernatural stuff. So if you want to continue in your indictment of believers, you have to affirm God's existence and supernatural interaction with his creation.

[@bluephionex7119]

I'm Christain, and this didn't help me understand any better

[@brettwinstead]

Nor should it

[@kingduckdodo6672]

@@ybstar05 that's why new testament exist, if they only read old testament, oh boy.

[@ABKvengeance22]

@@ybstar05 what do you think abortion is? Thus man is right. GOD OWES US NOTHING. Life is a gift. And being all knowing and above our understanding who are we to say hes wrong? Thats foolishly putting yourself above God.

[@saikoa2129]

If people could simply understand the main purpose of our existence was to worship the creator. This is why it's important to study and meditate on his word. We humans were the last creation however we posses something no other creation has and that's free will and was given dominion over those previous creations.. this is where Lucifer comes in at. Being an Archangel created before man, he and the other angel's were given the tasks of watching over mankind but the pride in Lucifer's heart wouldn't allow him to accept the fact, as gorgeous and gifted he was, his main obligation was to serve man. Thus causing his fall. Since then, his main goal has been to corrupt the one creation the creator loves most which is mankind. Lucifer succeeded by first getting Eve to sin through disobedience. The fallen angels began to lust after women and took them as wives and begot children. The fallen started to teach mankind the knowledge of the heavens which we know as science and technology. So in essence we were taught things the most high never intended for us to know. Because of this knowledge we became exceedingly wicked. To where the father killed everyone except Noah's family. The only reason Noah's family was spared was because his DNA was still pure meaning, everyone else was mixing bloodlines with the fallen angels offspring the nephilim. Noah's ark was the purpose of starting mankind over again without the influence of what previously happened. The most high made a promise to Noah that he wouldn't destroy mankind and that every time you see a rainbow it should be a sign of that promise but look what America has done with the rainbow complete mockery. So to everyone who doesn't understand why these terrible things still happen is bc the most high made a promise and had he did destroy us , that'd make him a liar but as believers we know better.

[@finalfrontier001]

@@kingduckdodo6672 Jesus recommends killing kids. Matthew 15. He quotes Exodus 22.

[@ypusefbenali4694]

But you claim that GOD is love ???? is killing infints is love or fair or just,what did the infant do to deserve this bad death ??????

[@soioioioioioio34]

God thinks babies are evil the bible hate a baby

[@Charlie94781]

God was always a brutal dictator who murdered the innocent yet pretentiously declared his position of moral authority

[@berrydark425]

God does not answer because he doesn't give a shit or does not exist.

[@jolamin6442]

@Gary's Mod Why about the new born babies that were kill during the time paroh disobey to let the Hebrews free

[@jamesmassingale8512]

charles Receski So,are you one of the innocent??

[@Miharu2020]

Yeah its kinda hard for people to accept that god is sovereign he holds everything in his hands including everyones life he knows the future he is everything

[@InnerMittenSignal]

It IS hard for us to understand, especially when we're allowed to be in the power of a deceiving Enemy of God. We're learning that dude is EVIL, & to ditch our pride & ask for Help from Above...

[@gertscheper9653]

Miharu2020 that went realy well the last 2000 years .lol

[@JamesRichardWiley]

If god knows the future then he knew beforehand all the terrible suffering he would inflict on innocent little children. Yet he loves little children. If god is everything then we are god, because we are a part of everything, also.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Are people God's children, or His crops and clay?

[@kaboom9081]

I think Piper should've put like this "God KNOWS when our last day on earth will be" and not make it sound like God is a psycho killer. God is omnipotent and omnipresent as owner and creator of life and the physical world. But God's justice is death for sin and that was demonstrated in the OT. You cannot sugar coat it. In order to provide a way to forgive He had to CRUSH His own son. We are rotten to the core and the Cross confirms it. That should be you and me nailed alive hanging there, not Jesus. So DO NOT try to ignore God's true Justice just because you think you're so lovable.

[@Guivalv]

AMEN!

[@bean7496]

@GDDM sam God is the creator of life and earth, only He decides when we die, nothing is out of His control

[@bean7496]

@GDDM sam my very existence is proof, God does not need to prove Himself

[@bean7496]

@GDDM sam fine, I will not force or argue with you, the proof of my existence is God

[@bean7496]

@GDDM sam if that is what you think then that is fine, but this is what I believe. I will pray

[@Egyptbalti]

In islam it is forbidden to kill women or kids Even we cannot separate a kid from his mother after the war We also cannot break a church or kill a priest in wars

[@nid_lt]

Islam is the best

[@DrinkExtrawataaag]

What cap you guys did it in 911 bro

[@Kapanalig999]

I don't believe that my God would be like that, He loves everyone!

[@lutkedog1]

What God are you talking about LOL

[@RicardoCray]

@@lutkedog1 Yahweh

[@johnramirez3247]

Blackmailing, threatening and murdering is for sure a lovely gesture, isn't it??

[@narasheen1375]

Amen🤍 every single second of my life is a gift of grace from Jesus! I did not deserve any of it-so I am overwhelmed with gratitude every second. I love you Lord!!

[@Taehoon8172]

you're insane. Did you even watch the video?

[@Taehoon8172]

the video topic is on god commanding moses to kill innocent women and children and you post that under the comments? Are you a psychopath? 미친놈

[@narasheen1375]

@@Taehoon8172 Yes, I did watch the entire video Casey! Just as you thought I watched a part of the video and misunderstood, I understand how misleading it would be for you to read just a part of the bible and assume the entire character of God. It will be really helpful for you to read the bible entirely! Try starting out with the New Testament part☺️. I pray that you find your peace in God Casey!

[@Taehoon8172]

@@narasheen1375 I got peace, common sense, and I don't got a fake nice personality. You're still insane and subordinate to something you don't understand because of ignorance.

[@Taehoon8172]

@@narasheen1375 I really hope you didn't read the entire bible and you just listened to sermons on bits and parts of it because if you read the entire bible and still think this god is all loving and great you weren't blessed with a brain.

[@unclescar5616]

Sounds like a spouse that has been abused for many years. He beats me, but I am not worthy of him. Y'all need Seymour

[@RicardoCray]

That’s not the same thing Jesus took away death there is no death with Jesus

[@unclescar5616]

@@RicardoCray Yet somehow God is able and has the right to inflict death aka kill. Doing something good for people (including creatingthem) doesn't give you the right to treat them anyway you like because you think they are gradually indated to you. That's the mindset of an abuser

[@RicardoCray]

@@unclescar5616 we are dust we’re OT our own God saves God is love that’s why he gave us Christ death is not knowing and excepting Jesus

[@RicardoCray]

@@unclescar5616 he doesn’t treat y us any kind of way he gives us a choice

[@RicardoCray]

@@unclescar5616 the people in heaven are much happier trust me they would rather be there next 2 God then in the burning world

[@Lili-Benovent]

What a pleasant personality this God Christians claim to love has, it seems one of his hobbies is to murder innocent children, we know he set about massacring whole populations of people he didn't like and he sent people to war against each other because he felt they didn't observe his rules, but to murder innocent women and children really gives a good insight into his character, He is an obsessive psychopath with not even the slightest amount of conscience. Read on - Isaiah 13:11-18 I will punish the world for its evil ...Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes. Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. Samuel 15:2-3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling. Jeremiah 19:3-9 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place ... And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters. This is just a very small sample of the psychological makeup of this evil God, he even advocates cannibalism. Where is the love, compassion and understanding that is supposed to be the symbol of this SkyGod, it can't be found anywhere in the bible but there is an abundance of hate, anger and cruelty. Nowhere in this fake bible is there one example of Satan ordering atrocities against women, children or anybody. Christians are worshiping the wrong God. Blessed be.

[@pandit7130]

I am really amazed that people can come so down to defend so called "God's judgment". I would like to ask only one question, then what difference is there between a Jihadi who kill hundreds of innocent lives in the name of God and those Israelites? I can claim to be the apostle of god and then do whatever I want in the name of god.

[@StudyReport-h6l]

The LORD is not our God. It is Satan. Satan has the authority over the Earth because Adam and Eve sinned and became slave to sin and gave Satan right to rule over the world. Remember when Satan appeared to Jesus to tempt Him, he said "All this authority I will give to you because it has been delivered to me(Satan), only if you bow down and worship me". Since, Adam and Eve sinned, God lost the jurisdiction over this planet Earth. That's why Jesus said in His prayer (the Lord's Prayer) "Your kingdom come. Your will be done ON EARTH as it in IN HEAVEN". Jesus asked for God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven. This simply means that God's will is not done on Earth. Jesus said "Who has seen me as seen the Father". This means that God is not a accuser, murderer, slow to anger, kind, humble, sober, meek, deliverer, does not give eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth. Whereas, the LORD in the Old Testament did those things which is completely contrary to the nature of God, our Father. Now, this is why Paul says in the Bible that there is a veil on those who read the Old Testament because our Father also speaks to people in the name of LORD and Satan does also. That's why it is written to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD". Many times in the New Testament, Jesus Christ rejected the words of Yahweh (the LORD) and gave a new law like the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth or take oaths in the name of the LORD. Jesus also said "Every Good thing is from God" and "No one is Good exceot God" which makes clear that many times Satan used the name of the LORD to kill, steal and destroy and did those things which are Evil. The LORD in the Old Testament brought prople to bondage but Jesus said "I have come to set the captives free". Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE" also Jesus said "Every Kingdom divided against itself will never stand". This means that Jesus's Kingdom and Father's Kingdom was not divided but was ONE. So, when Jesus rejected the LORD'S words in the Old Testament, Jesus was not going against His Kingdom but Jesus was going against the Kingdom of Satan/Darkness. This is every evident that the theory of "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, foot for foot, hand for hand" is a Satanic theory said by Satan in the name of the LORD to defame our Father, God. Remove this veil. I have scriptures to prove each and every point I am saying. I am not quoting it because the message will get very long. But, if you want the scriptures, ask me in the reply of this comment and I will give you.

[@Bugsy0333]

Sickening to hear this coming from a human being just sickening .

[@flavioa2252]

You must be pro life huh

[@Bugsy0333]

@@flavioa2252 Nope

[@unemployedingreenland9358]

Truth is so sick huh? Mike Cummings only likes to listen to what he wants to hear. Typical “believer”

[@ethanweber6744]

​@@Bugsy0333 Then you have no intellectual integrity

[@jonathanwynne6925]

​@@Bugsy0333Exactly.

[@Ultimime]

I'm an atheist for lack of evidence to the contrary but like i stated above the moral questions are the primary reason for my anti-theism. You're quite right our lives are meaningless in terms of an outside objective meaning, the universe couldn't care less either way. All meaning comes from us.

[@David-ij2op]

Very deep

[@ryuhadouken1404]

Good morning Sir, interesting approach. Do you still hold to this belief?

[@Ultimime]

Morning @@ryuhadouken1404 yes I still remain unconvinced of the existence of any gods anyone has claimed so far. I'm even more of an anti-theist now because 10 years later religion has been the primary motivator for people to block social and economic progress and to outright persecute other people for being different and I hate it.

[@kennyfinger8306]

In other words, God is an immoral monster.

[@Moneyman077]

It’s crazy that we question the authority of God when we can’t even question the authority of our politicians. God be praise!

[@Demonoicgamer666]

We live in a democracy, democracy is about questioning your authority. We are always questioning authority. If you vote your questioning authority. If god kills a 8 month old child I’m going to question that decision cause infants die all the time. It’s cruel of god to force a mother to carry here child for 9 months only for her to find out her baby is still born or born dead that deserves a answer as too why. It’s healthy to question your authority on important things.

[@Moneyman077]

@@Demonoicgamer666 Do you believe in God/Jesus Christ?

[@Demonoicgamer666]

@@Moneyman077 I’m agnostic I’m trying to find out.

[@yazidproduction]

you mean the authority of your imagined friend you call God, no thanks

[@Moneyman077]

@@yazidproduction Don't worry you will see him one day and you will remember this massage!

[@sgt7]

So, if this man's children end up in hell, he can say that they deserved it and that God owes them nothing. He will then somehow joyfully go on to enjoy the bliss of heaven. There's something horrendously wrong with this picture. This is a prime example of a heartless (and demonic) abstract theology being used to justify the actions of an imaginary genocidal tyrant. When you allow some hideous theology to override your own compassion and basic sense of justice and rational thought, you have joined a cult.

[@thinkbyyourself1668]

You are 100% right. It makes no sense that a so-called all-powerful god could have the desire to kill children and women. If god was all-powerful he could give to himself happiness, peace, love... So he would just have the desire to share his free happiness with the ones he had created, with the ones who never asked him to live. This man is sick, this man is mentally ill, he is brainwashed, he is dangerous, he is stupid... There are texts which prove the cruelty of the biblic god : - Bible (Ezekiel 9: 6) "The Lord said: (...) Let not your eye spare, and have no mercy. Kill old man, young man, young girl, child, woman, until extermination " kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpjImZ5jZtl5q6c&ab_channel=McGeoghegan2007 - Bible (Hosea 13:16) "Samaria will be punished, because she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword; Their little children will be crushed, And their pregnant wives will be split open." kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoOsipSZp851frs&ab_channel=Pandadeist - Bible (Deuteronomy 28:63) "The Lord will take pleasure in destroying and killing you." In the chapters of Deuteronomy, God indicates to the Israelites the general behavior to be adopted with regard to the cities which do not accept their preeminence : to put all the males at the edge of the sword, but to take for oneself the women, the children, cattle. Of course, a man with a new and lovely captive runs into a problem : since he has just murdered his parents and brothers, she may not be in the best of places. loving dispositions towards her. What does it matter! God anticipated this slight inconvenience and proposes the following solution : her owner must shave her head, cut her nails and lock her in his house for a month, while she cries all the tears in her body. Then he can walk into the room and rape her.

[@jasont5300]

I’m assuming you’re an unbeliever and have never cracked open the Bible. Piper is right, he’s God, he doesn’t owe you squat. Who are you to take God off His thrown and place yourself on it? You wouldn’t be here right now if it wasn’t for Him… The only reason you have breath in your lungs is because He’s allowed you to breath and you wanna sit there and point your finger at Him and tell Him what He can and cannot do? People have been dying in this world since it’s been created - this includes women and children. They died because God ceased them to exist or else they’d still be alive. God has appointed every person, the place and the boundaries to where they live, the specific time from conception till death, and nothing can change that Job 14:5. And you act as if dying, you no longer exist as if you’re annihilated - you just change locations. Heaven or hell. Be thankful you’re still alive, enjoying your life the He granted you to have.

[@jasont5300]

@The Mask 😂😂😂😂

[@jasont5300]

@@thinkbyyourself1668 you mean the only true living God. You just showed your ignorance in things you shouldn’t speak of. the world was perfect, no death, disease or anything, guess who screwed it up? Us. Guess who’s still screwing it up? Us. But you wanna judge God and tell Him what He should and shouldn’t do with what He creates and gives life to. That’s been the problem since the dawn of creation. Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed Eve. Never taking responsibility for their own actions, and you’re no different. God owes you or anyone else nothing. Matter of fact, He would be just to destroy every single one of us because of our disobedience to Him. Every person is appointed once to die, then the judgment. Don’t say you weren’t warned. If you don’t repent and believe in Christ, you surly will spend eternity in the lake of fire.

[@jasont5300]

@The Mask says the guy who speaks on morality that steals from a Christians worldview. You have no ground to stand on when talking about morality. You don’t believe in God so you must believe we evolved from space dust. So in your world view morality is subjective.

[@joshb600]

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Lamentations 3:33 For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. Ezekiel 18:23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? John 3:16 For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. A Final thought, why would Jesus include in the Our Father Prayer "Your Kingdom come Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" if His will was already always being done.

[@theCommentDevil]

To paraphrase the onion knight: 'If your god commands you to kill children, your god is evil.'

[@justinernest2363]

I agree with what he is saying, but you must understand that from an atheistic and secular point of view, it simply seems cruel, cold and unloving...how can we bring this answer to the unbelievers in such a way that still shows that God is loving, kind, compassionate and slow to anger?

[@liquidpza]

😅

[@MrCmon113]

Cruel, cold and unloving is a pretty good summary of the bible. And your attempts to justify it only shows the horrible effect of religion.

[@Yeshuameanssaviour]

Simple.His ways r not like mans.Rebeling against him will only lead to destruction.Jesus showed what true love is but as a christian i dont forget that his also not to be messed with.

[@reverendbarker650]

You cant because god is NOT Loving, kind, compassionate and slow to anger, the god of the old testament is cruel ,vengeful, demanding and terrifying, until we invented adequate hygiene and vaccinations god supposedly let around 50% of young children die . Kids in third world countries still die of hunger and disease in droves, care to elucidate as to why god thinks this is necessary and how its a loving and compassionate act?

[@reverendbarker650]

@@Yeshuameanssaviour Id say god is JUST like much of humanity, acts of violence and callousness seem to come easy to him, as we are supposedly created in his own image it stands to reason that we would share his faults as well as his good points.