Why did God command the OT killing of women and children?

[@9livesmatter576]

"He waited until their sins were full." Makes me think of the direction our country and the world have come. God help us.

[@j.dieason7527]

I agree with you. However God is just, and always good. His will be done. But yea very scary to think of. What great patients the lord displays though huh?

[@mehmetsimsek4794]

@@j.dieason7527 however?! Isn't according to whatever God does automatically just? He was just when he is exterminating cananites, so he is right to be worried, God can do the same thing to your country and still would be just

[@j.dieason7527]

@@mehmetsimsek4794 correct but we also must remember prior to him destroying Gomorrah and sodom. Abraham asked if God would spare the city even if only a few good ppl were present and God said he would. Yes this world is evil , but not all who live in it are. Be blessed and have a great new yr

[@mehmetsimsek4794]

@@j.dieason7527 really? So God never saved a few believer and destroyed rest of the people? (This is a rhetorical question we both know the answer). And my comment was just to point out something. Looking for" just" here meaningless. Once you say "God is just" and everything he does is just there is no possible way for him being unjust, you are accepting from the start that everything thing he does is just. So what is unjust here, nothing! What action would be unjust for God, again nothing? I don't know do you see the problem here? If we return to the first comment here? God can do whatever he is afraid of. Saying don't be afraid God is just is not a calmer. God can eliminate all the human race and according to you he would still be just. Do you know what orthodox means? This is exactly like that. They are the one true denomination and all others are wrong. Why? Because that is what orthodox means. And happy new year too

[@thebumblebeemovie3514]

I realized the same thing. It’s scary. The thing with the canaanites, sodom and Gomorrah, and the peoples before the flood is that they were given chances to change multiple times. God’s witnesses were present and it was very likely that they warned the peoples that this would happen, but they refused to listen and refused to change. Murderers and rapists unwilling to change deserve death, each of these people displayed those things and refused to change, even with the intervention and chances. Imagine what would happen with our own country if it’s people are unwilling to change from its perverse and child grooming ways?

[@ABIELYASHARAHLA]

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@lovegod9045]

Amen to that. God revealed Himself enough so that we could be saved. He has hidden things from us because we would never understand the mind of God.

[@ABIELYASHARAHLA]

@@lovegod9045 it’s nice to hear someone with some sense of the Lord’s wisdom. 👍

[@ReasonQuest]

Classic go-to verse for people who don't want to accept the Bible's stories. If "God" gave us a brain, and created us in "his" image, he did a pretty poor job of giving us enough sense to follow him. I'm glad I don't have to accept the "God's ways are not our ways," excuse anymore.

[@mnm8818]

@@ReasonQuest all makes complete sense, if you swap God for a Governor of ancient Israel, who became like Pharoah, a 'god' ruler...

[@TheRgordon16]

No problem for me. God created life. There would be nothing if He did not create it. Therefore if God created life, it is His right to eliminate life at His discretion. If He says you are unworthy of the life HE GAVE, then He has the right to remove it from you. Who are we to question the Author of life? We sound as if we created ourselves and God comes along and steals life from us; how ridiculous. “Let God be true and every man a liar”

[@shawnjones2454]

Very well put, Asa

[@nevertrumper3692]

Can you PROVE god creates life?

[@johnm.6975]

Never Trumper can you PROVE life arose naturally from rocks

[@BiscuitBoi77]

So let me get this straight. Because God made you, he has the right to have you brutally murdered? Seriously? Like your being serious? An all knowing, all powerful, according to Christians, ALL LOVING, being, can't figure out a solution that doesn't involve the murder of small children and mothers?? Cult. That's all I have to say. You are apart of a cult that can convince normal people to condon OBJECTIVELY awful behavior

[@britmissions]

Thank you Dr. Cabal and God bless you!! And can I just say that I am so thankful that the time and effort was taken to put this content out there to answer difficult questions.

[@nihilistic7840]

Why not tell them what they did? Putting living children on the red hot arms of a metal statue until they burnt to death. Historical texts say they played drums loudly so that the parents would not hear their screams.

[@jmar5785]

Anil G the work of man. Definitely not ordained by god.

[@makingsense1970]

Jamie Marshall maybe he should have just shouted, “Oi! Stop it!” What kind of a wimpy, weak ass god is this.

[@joepineapples9332]

Which "historical " texts would they be pal,please leave a link to them ,hopefully not that horeshit old testament crap that thinks that Noah was 500 years old and that two penguins managed to walk all the way to the middle east to get on a cruise ship with a bunch of lions and tigers.let us know what those texts are,cheers.

[@makingsense1970]

Joepineapples 9 : but god is magical. He can do anything. He could get those penguins there sharpish!

[@angelusvastator1297]

@@joepineapples9332 Look up Carthage human sacrifice.

[@b.goodfellow465]

I can remember once hearing a minister tell someone that God never sends anyone to hell, we put our selves into hell, and to be honest I was horrified by the answer, until I really studied the scriptures seriously. I started to read the Bible everyday with commentaries and books, and I really started to learn what God’s Spirit revealed to me! Praise God!

[@b.goodfellow465]

spoo man Well, first and foremost, it depends on what someone believes hell is really like! If I was a Jehovah’s Witness, I would be answering that in Revelation there’s a scripture which talks about a second death, and they say that the second death means total oblivion, so there’s no consciousness and no life at all. When they die the first death, they are in a suspended state of unconsciousness until judgement day. But, some people think that it just means an eternity of separation from God, which in itself is an awful prospect. For many years I really was nothing more than a Sunday Christian, I picked up my Bible went to church and I got home put my Bible back on the shelf until the following Sunday. It was during this period that I was absolutely horrified by the statement that unbelievers put themselves into hell. I can also remember learning at one church that there’s many different levels in hell and the devil, together with the rest of the fallen angels, have already been allocated the deepest pit in hell. So, it’s fair to assume that each level becomes slightly less horrifying. The most important thing is to remember that God is good, He was good at the very beginnings of time and will remain so for the rest of eternity, but we also must remember that He is a Just God and if we humans can look at Hitler and wholeheartedly agree that Hitler should be in hell for eternity, how can we honestly say that God is evil when in all fairness God clearly gives us forewarning throughout the Bible that this is potentially what could happen to anyone who dies unrepentant. But, I am sure you will know the scripture of St. John 3 v 16 which says that God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son, so that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life. So, the person of Jesus Christ, who was both fully God and fully man, was crucified to pay our debt, He took our punishment. There’s an excellent video on KZbin by a minister called Paul Washer and it’s quite a short video and he explains this very eloquently. Just, one final point, I know for sure that God doesn’t want anyone to go to hell, as He says 2 Peter 3 v 9 that He desires all men to repent, but as I have said He is a Just God. But, in Matthew 4 you will read about the temptation of Christ, in verse 8 it says that Satan took Christ Jesus to the top of an exceedingly high mountain, and in a moment of time he shows Him (Jesus) all the cities of the world and their glory, then Satan tells Christ that he will give all this to Him, so long as Christ bows down to worship the him. But, he couldn’t have made this offer if he wasn’t actually the god of this world, so temporarily, very temporarily God has allowed this, we don’t know why, but we must trust God, He knows what He’s doing. So, in conclusion, God wants all men to repent and become a believer, so we must trust God that people who lived without any knowledge of God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, God will have an abundance of Love for them as this is His nature and He will deal with them Justly. As He will for babies and children who die before they hear the Gospel message, people who have mental illness! My parents were unbelievers, but, I am sure God will know their heart condition! But, who knows, maybe God comes to people in their final moments of life and talks to them. There’s a million possibilities, but at the end of the day you have to know that God IS Good! So, in short I am sure that the people who actually end up in Hell forever, will deserve it. There’s so many very beautiful scriptures one I have only just found Isaiah 30 it’s worth reading the chapter from verse 1 and this speaks to me of mans unreliability, it talks about Israel not obeying God. However Gods love and temperament come through and in v 18 we learn about the mercy of God being prepared to wait, and wait until we turn to Him and I am oh so thankful for His patience with me. 1 Kings 19 onwards. And the gospel of John chapter 14 really turned my life around when I was in a bad place! Well, I hope you have made it to the end, I said more than I intended so thanks for reading it! God bless you

[@rickpettey8822]

Bedbug: I am sorry but you are wrong. God alone sends one to hell. (Matt. 10:28).

[@Ozzyman200]

That's a bit like a Mafia boss saying they don't torch people's businesses, they do it to themselves by not paying protection money. That's just an excuse.

[@b.goodfellow465]

Andrew Fairfax Well, Mr. Fairfax, I would say that if having faith in the God of the Bible makes me a gullible person, then I have never been so delighted to be gullible!!! So, this is not at all the insult you clearly intended it to be, it has now become my greatest compliment. God bless you, my friend.

[@mysticwine]

God loves you. Satan is in a rage because he failed to bully you into atheist suffering and misery.

[@MasterSpade]

at 1:55 you said "god alone is a righteous judge". First Prove that your specific 'god' even exists, THEN we'll discuss if he is a "righteous judge".

[@billbrock8547]

The killing of women and children is difficult to understand and accept if you believe that it was commanded by an all-knowing and loving God. But if you accept that the Bible was solely authored by tribal, Iron Age men, no further explanation is required.

[@963freeme]

You're right about that. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Ain't no God

[@omabador1702]

When a person watches porn, he/she is already mindf**ked....u seem 2 b that kind of person...ur mindf**ked opinions dont matter

[@mnm8818]

true true- also *if you swap God for a Governor of ancient Israel area* , who evolved via text to be a 'god' ruler, like many others at the time- the OT makes so much sense.

[@sirslob1]

What an ignorant response this is. So God had such a high level of incompetence in spreading his message that he couldn’t intervene in his own holy text to give the right moral instructions. That is mental gymnastics on a breathtakingly stupid level.

[@mnm8818]

@@sirslob1 yeah see above comment- everything makes sense if you swap God for a Governor of Ancient Israel, who became like Pharoah a 'god' ruler

[@joelsam1282]

"Not just the men, but the women and children too" - Anakin Skywalker

[@kevinkeyes6625]

Your defense sucks

[@joelsam1282]

@@kevinkeyes6625 lmao it's a meme, not a defense

[@daniellemeyer8568]

@@kevinkeyes6625 Anakin's defense sucks. He didn't have the high ground.

[@benjaelee]

ah yes, a man of culture i see

[@davidweigel2238]

There are over 3,000 children killed each day in the US, in a place that should be the safest place…a mother’s womb.

[@blakebarner]

God doesn't do something because it's good; it's good because God does it. He is Sovereign.

[@Charlie94781]

Appeal to authority fallacy: God declares that he is good and everyone must accept without question… or else they’ll mysteriously vanish and wind up floating in a lake while full of bullet holes

[@williamjohns9322]

@blakebarner So wait, killing babies is good? As long as God commands it? And how do we know that it’s God and not just Rev Jim Jones talking?

[@alguno1010101]

Because ancient Israelites made up God to have a religious justification for their wars

[@JamesRichardWiley]

You nailed it.

[@garydmcgath]

There's no problem. Some people thousands of years ago invented a bloodthirsty story of exterminating their enemies, just as many other cultures did, and offered God as an excuse. To say that this story is about a "just God" is an affront to everything that's good and an excuse for mass murder.

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

when God commands killing it's not murder

[@garydmcgath]

@@marcellofunhouse1234 Yup, the Bin Laden doctrine.

[@IFledFromKansas]

It amazes me that people just parrot "He's righteous" or "Because he's god" every time yahweh condones slavery, genocide, rape, or brutal torture.

[@testingspirits7446]

God does not do evil. Jesus says, ‘You will know them by their fruits.’

[@juliemauger6183]

God works in the universe, and often that has meant He has brought judgement on various peoples. The killing of the Canaanites happened at a specific time in history long past. Contrary to the Canaanites being innocent people, they were engaged in child sacrifice in their worship of Baal & other questionable moral issues such as the use of temple prostitutes.. God uses the Israelites as His weapon to bring about judgement on the Canaanites. God ordered the complete obliteration of the Canaanites to ensure these rituals were abandoned. Unfortunately, the Israelites spared many of the Canaanites, & began worshipping their idols & false gods, & engaging in the atrocities the Canaanites practised. They forsook their Lord. For this reason, after Israel was established in the promised land, God used Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, to bring judgement on the Israelites. God calls Nebuchadnezzar "my servant;" even though he was a pagan king, Nebuchadnezzar was being used by God to bring judgement on His own people. God's judgement is always fair - it is never undeserved. God used nations to bring judgement on other nations in the Old Testament. Many Christians, myself included, still believe God brings judgement on the nations today.

[@IFledFromKansas]

@@testingspirits7446 We must just have different definitions of the word "Evil".

[@Charlie94781]

@@juliemauger6183 did the Canaanites really sacrifice children or was that just god spreading malicious accusations?

[@taye7968]

So you hear voices in your head and decide that those voices are "god" and you kill ppl? You guys need to admitted.

[@brokengirl8619]

Who's you guys? The holy spirit never told me to kill anyone. In fact he says the opposite. Do good.

[@buhans2160]

@@brokengirl8619 thats Alcohol..not a spirit

[@elymX]

This is a question that is beyond human understanding, I will ask god myself when the time comes.

[@vlahblah4785]

But if you can’t even comprehend the question then how can you comprehend the answer 🤨

[@adenjones1802]

We are supposed to comprehend it. Thats why it was written. These religions believe it was divinely inspired. Why would God authorise this is it had no reason behind it? Unless it was not authorised.

[@tyman7156]

Amen. You can ask him now.

[@tyman7156]

Just know that nothing is ever Gods fault.

[@MuiGabriel]

@@tyman7156 everything is gods full of omniscient and omnipotent he did all of he's killings for no reason just because they believe in other gods, he was just jealous, instead of giving them some justified reason that he is a God, then why kill them, if god's so smart why not just prove he's god why kill them

[@carolwilliams5337]

Good answer. Man always seeks to justify himself and underestimate his own sinfulness. God is more Holy than we can imagine, yet we accuse God of unrighteousness

[@kingkunta9505]

Killing babies is righteous how?

[@carter5007]

@@kingkunta9505 Life is in the hands of the Creator. Abortions in the womb, 2 weeks old, 90 years old he has the authority over human life because he created it. Why command another human to kill to bring the baby home to heaven, or why allow the baby to be created to then die? I don’t know with certainty. My knowledge is limited. Personal opinion/theory: The souls in order to be entered into his kingdom must be born of the flesh first. That is why we must be “born again” in the spirit. Because the original birth must take place before the spiritual birth. What I am saying is the flesh must be birthed and then the spirit birth in order to get to heaven. Why did God not just let the baby die in the sleep rather than killed by another human? I don’t have the mind of God. PS. Conception could be considered a flesh birth as the separate DNA is created at that point.

[@cheryllunn2827]

Because he was a blood thirsty dictator. If he ever existed. Or, he made a lit of mistakes. He's supposed to be infallible! If I killed all my neighbors for the same reason, I'd get the death penalty. I was raised in the bible. Spent years in bible study. I am an atheist now. The mental gymnastics you have to use to justify these horrible mass slaughters of people in God's name is amazing.

[@sids5002]

@@carter5007 You are literally justifying the murder of humans by your god, just because he created them. How evil is that? Your god sounds truly awful.

[@ueks69]

The easy answer and most obvious, There is no god

[@troyshrader3949]

This all sounds great but it sucks for the little kids that were just playing outside and all of a sudden soldiers pick them up stone them all and then burn their bodies. I'm a Christian but I was struggle with this.

[@jettruth]

Age doesn’t matter for a timeless God. He knows all the Canaanite children were going to be just like their parents. God alone knows our futures and is a perfect judge. Even if God kills someone who is saved then we know they’re going straight to Heaven in which case it’s not a bad thing to get to Heaven sooner. It’s all part of His plan.

[@963freeme]

​@jettruth No. Satan is the God of this world. What's the name of the God you worship? If it's YHWH then...Psalms 18:8. Revelation 12:9. YHWH is a Dragon aka Satan. Allah is also Satan. Isaiah 14: 12 Rev. 22: 16. JC is Lucifer. Acts 7: 43 Star of David is Star of Moloch.

[@AnnemieM]

If a good person is told to go and kill everybody, including children, these killers would end up with post traumatic stress disorder. I can not imagine it any other way.

[@radijaye7435]

I think according to Christian he will get a bonus from the holy spirit

[@peteralleyman1945]

72 virgins! Or was that another religion?

[@ivanmosquera3845]

The answer is not satisfactory. God killed thousands upon thousands, among them innocent children. What kind of loving god is him? Don’t forget that virgins were spared for the used of the soldiers and kings. What a loving God!

[@Ælfgifu-1]

Just a few of the reasons I reject the Bible! And the "god" depicted in it. When the "goodie" does worse things than the "baddie," it is either satire or a very poorly thought out story.

[@googla12]

@@Ælfgifu-1 What moral standard do you judge what is good and bad?

[@ivanmosquera3845]

@@googla12 Indigenous groups like the Yanamamo and Kayapo have lived in the Amazon jungle for thousands of years. Away from civilization or Christianity to set moral standards for them. These groups have thrived by setting their own moral standards and rules based mainly on the tribes' survival and benefits to the group. The jungle and the needs of the many have defined their morals. No Christian morals are essential.

[@arnulfoescamilla8577]

@@ivanmosquera3845 Didn't they also sacrifice to their gods?

[@trafficjon400]

Man said is elite and will control you any way. i going boon docking because this is coming faster than one thinks. the souless are planing a new Armageddon its here just not called to order quite yet. being beyong the Grid are the wise.

[@jailahbryel305]

Jesus loves you and died so you can have eternal life. Repent and turn to Him because He is coming soon! He loves you!

[@WildPhotoShooter]

Jesus is not coming, look at Mathhew 24-34 "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" . But it was the generation of the time that Jesus was talking to, NOT us 2000 years later . You have made the mistake of taking the place of the reader when it should be the listener. .......but don't forget EVERY generation has read it for 2000 years and Jesus has not shown up yet.

[@livewireOrourke]

@@WildPhotoShooter Read it again. He's talking about the generation who witnesses those events, they will also witness the second coming.

[@WildPhotoShooter]

@@livewireOrourke No he wasn't ! That is only an interpretation . Read the actual words ......the Bible was never intended to be changed by mere humans . There has not been a second coming for 2000 years , even this generation is saying Jesus is "comming soon" . When will you realise you are all living a lie , Jesus will never come back .

[@pedalman130]

@@livewireOrourke Mathew 24-34 Jesus was talking to the people listening to him ....'THIS generation will not die out" ..... but they all did die out .......and Jesus didn't come back !!!! The man Jesus was just another deluded crazy religious guy trying to convince people that he was the messiah.

[@livewireOrourke]

@@pedalman130 Once again, he's talking about *future* events, the people witnessing the Tribulation. ( "“Immediately after the tribulation *of those days* the sun will be darkened..." ) It's not difficult. Do some Research, read the Bible. So, nothing's changed: you will still have to stand before Jesus one day.

[@KCAugustine]

Why didn't God send a destroying angel instead of having people commit the atrocity on others? Would a loving father murder his children? Would a loving father ask his favorite children to murder his wayward children? No & no. It's a problem with these OT stories. More likely these acts were attributed to God in the retelling of the events. Easy way to get rid of your guilt, either 'God told me to,' or, 'the Devil made me do it.' For me one of the markers that none of these stories can be taken literally verbatim, but always with a grain of skeptical salt.

[@5065ca]

your a man , you'd never understand the mind of God

[@williamtotherow3367]

KC, you and I agree, such an evil act to justify stealing others land, and use religion as done so many times to do evil acts all over the world by all religions. Jews are not the chosen people, just chosen by the god they made up.

[@KCAugustine]

@@5065ca And as you are also a man (or woman), neither will you understand the mind of God. At least we both know that we do not know. What a lovely starting place.

[@KCAugustine]

@@evanlee6644 I never said that religion is the root of all evil, just implied one should be careful blaming one's murderous actions on God. That's how the stereotype you are objecting to gets started.

[@KCAugustine]

@@williamtotherow3367 There's definitely too much of that justification. Especially on honor killings and such. I think if someone is going to believe in God or religion, you must assume that God created us in love. All of us. Unless we understand God as loving all, then we can be sucked into factionalism, religious fanaticism and even violence. If God asks us to murder, and Satan does too, how do you tell them apart? If someone today murdered their neighbor, his wife, kids and burned down their house, would anyone accept that justification? Why should it have been accepted in OT times? To me it seems like a huge failure of discernment in the nature of God and what the desires of an all good entity would have to be.

[@bgarrison67]

To eliminate the corrupted seed of the fallen ones

[@larryg6865]

Wow if Christianity means defending genocide than it’s definitely not for me.

[@abelhamsa8382]

Imagine your neighbours placing their children on bronze alters which are heated red hot and killing them as sacrifice to gods…and the cries of those children you hear day and night for years. What would you do? And if those same neighbours come to your house and teach your parents to do the same i.e to sacrifice you, how would you react?

[@larryg6865]

@@abelhamsa8382 all I hear is someone else defending genocide.

[@abelhamsa8382]

@@larryg6865 I was just asking what would you do

[@abelhamsa8382]

@@larryg6865 they were given 400 years to change their ways… but they kept on killing their children. The Israelites were learning these practices and offering their children as well.

[@larryg6865]

@@abelhamsa8382 I understand sorry I snapped at you. I don’t believe in the historical accuracy any of it anyway. I speak as an Ex Christian but much respect to your and your spiritual journey.

[@lexyls4777]

God gave them hundreds of years to repent out of mercy but they didn’t

[@andrewmcnaught4523]

Source: God's covenent with Abraham in Genesis 14 or 15 (around there).

[@beiyongzui]

Did God gave the babies hundreds of years to repent?

[@lexyls4777]

@@beiyongzui In exodus 19:5 God visits the iniquities of the fathers upon the children unto the 3rd and 4th generations .

[@beiyongzui]

@@lexyls4777 not answering my question.

[@MBTechSearch]

@@lexyls4777 Why did your God ( jesus) order the killing of innocent children and infants 🚼 ?

[@michaelhoward5628]

Merciful warning to be very afraid of the one who loves you. Yep! Makes sense to me.

[@Jesus_Saves_66]

Funny how if someone sinned against you by killing your family, you would want justice on them and probably ask for the death penalty? Why is it when God wants the same death penalty for those who have sinned against Him, you complain?

[@michaelhoward5628]

God’s Child There is a big difference between sinning and killing someone. You are right. If someone killed my family and I could snap them out of existence I would most assuredly do so. However I am unable to do so. If I killed them on my own I would be deemed a murderer and punished accordingly. So I would be forced by our laws to let justice be served. God does not need to resort to bloody savagery by his followers, when he can snap the offenders out of existence. If god asked you to gut your neighbors pregnant wife, would you do so?

[@chrishardin3672]

Michael Howard, scripture speaks. Let me better say, God speaks. He is the only being of existence worthy to order such things and still be holy. The only reason men cannot seek out justice by paying vengeance back to those who wrong, is because we are sinful beings ourselves and are not worthy to be judge, jury, and executioner. God is. And sin against God, is the most offensive and corrupt act we as humans make no matter the form it takes. Sin is sin. And God will judge sin. And He is all righteous and just in doing so. I would ask you, why would you judge God’s actions of rightful holy justice when you are a sinful human being with a fallen and finite sense of morality and justice as all humans, even and in fact especially including me, are? We must not make the mistake of 1. Forgetting God is all righteous and Holy, and the only one able to bring absolute justice beyond fallen and finite human terms 2. That God is GOD and His sense of Justice and Morality is not of human finiteness- therefore, when we sin against him, it is spitting on and rejecting the almighty, Holy God who created us and that sin demands not our sense of fallen justice and morality, but God’s all Righteous and all Holy justice

[@michaelhoward5628]

@@chrishardin3672 I do not believe in any god and I especially don’t believe in a god who would assign his followers to commit murder and abortion wiping out an entire population when he could have blinked them out of existence. I do not wear the label sinner. I am simply put an imperfect human being. If you feel comfortable wearing the sinner please do.

[@angelusvastator1297]

@@michaelhoward5628 Except that the followers in question had legal authority and were justified.

[@catherinesummers5057]

Anyone who questions the morality of God is self contradicting because you are applying the moral laws given by God Himself. That said, the corruption of humanity with fallen angels which destroys the ' seed of Adam' answers this dilemma for anyone who takes the Bible literally

[@mjolnir9855]

Catherine Summers, if God have a righteous law, and He is also righteous, and the law is a display of the Righteousness of God, then it is inconsistent to break His own laws. We are using God’s law as the standard, not our own. God says “do not murder” yet he murders. This is inconsistent with his nature if his laws are moral commands which display his character.

[@ballasog]

This is stupid.

[@joshuaenodien3853]

@@mjolnir9855 The laws are applied to us not him

[@johnsteigalman9361]

THE WOMAN AND CHILDREN WERE NOT HUMAN... THEY WERE NEPHILEM... HALF FALLEN ANGEL HALF HUMAN..

[@charlesarmani6897]

So why can’t fallen angels mate with humans today?

[@johnsteigalman9361]

@@charlesarmani6897 it's not that they can't it's because of the punishment was so severe none of them would ever do it again...

[@charlesarmani6897]

john Steigalman How did you arrive to this conclusion?

[@johnsteigalman9361]

@@charlesarmani6897 from researching the scriptures and researching extra biblical text such as the 1st book of ENOCH...

[@MasterSpade]

The Real answer to that question is this -- The people that invented "god" had very different morals than we do now, so when they Invented "god", they gave that god THEIR Morals. They could not have known that their invention would set mankind back more than ANYTHING in Human History. It is that simple.

[@ob2249]

master spade well said.

[@1988TheHitman]

Hats off to answering a seriously big question, answered with graciousness and fear. God Bless and thank you for posting, it helps those of us involved in street evangelism 🙂

[@keisi1574]

HeWhoHasTheSon Would you kill children of God commanded you to? Or would you disobey God?

[@Carpaintry_of_God]

+THE Funky NinjaMaster of Peace I would obey

[@Carpaintry_of_God]

+THE Funky NinjaMaster of Peace That happened to Abraham. He was told by God to sacrifice his son. As Abraham was about to do it, God stopped him.

[@Carpaintry_of_God]

+THE Funky NinjaMaster of Peace it's part of trusting in the Lord.

[@Phylum123456]

@@Carpaintry_of_God You are a disgusting human being. Much like Hitchens, if some voice in my head told me to kill my children I would say "Fuck you". What kind of ALL loving God would even consider asking for such a sacrifice? In fact when the Israelite's broke free from other religions, child sacrifice was one of the main reasons... The bible makes NO sense and yet you follow it blindly.

[@iconlex]

I think he nailed it. This was a different time, a much harsher existence where grace (via Jesus) was not yet introduced. Payment was not yet met for man’s sins; thus, God was in the position of Judge on a much different level. God had to take stricter measures to separate the Israelites from other cultures and people. If God did not, we’d see another episode like what took place with mankind prior to the flood. All of mankind became utterly evil, with no hope and no possibility of change. They were doomed. Humans were only fortunate enough that one family (Noah) still served what which was good, and that was God. God had no choice but to wipe the entire earth and start over with this family, because mankind would have destroyed themselves anyhow. I don’t think God had any pleasure having women and children systematically decimated, but He also had no other options. If the Israelites got corrupted (and they almost have on many occasions), and were ruined utterly as a nation, then we’d have no Jesus. No Jesus, no payment for sin, no payment for sin, the destruction of mankind is secured.

[@mjolnir9855]

A Nagle , so an omnipotent God, who can do anything, had no other option? Nah. Try again.

[@iconlex]

@@mjolnir9855 doesn't work that way. Read your Bible.

[@mjolnir9855]

@@iconlex Not a legitimate answer to my response. Not only did you limit God, and did not give me a biblical response as to why God couldn't handle this a different way, but it's also inconsistent contradictory with the character of God. There's actually a better answer to this problem. Might wanna take your own advice and go read your bible as well.

[@iconlex]

@@mjolnir9855 your response alone demonstrates your character, which would make me question your understanding of Gods character. Yes, I do believe God is sovereign and omnipotent, but He restricts himself. He will never override your will, he can never lie, he can never change, etc. He is all-powerful but that doesn't mean he overrides his principles. Read 2 Peter 3:9. He wills that all men come to repentance, but do all men come? No. So there are things that extend beyond His will. Does it make him less omnipotent? No. He restricts himself due to his own character. There are plenty of examples. Be blessed man.

[@mjolnir9855]

@@iconlex Yet God displayed his power in such a way with Paul to make his self known that it was too persuasive and needn't override his free will. Try again, you're getting off on strawman arguments.

[@pridepotterz6564]

If you can’t convince them…confuse them. Fact is…any rational human sees the drowning, burning, and slashing of innocent children as evil. Regardless of what their “pagan” parents did.

[@vj9695]

U have problem with god killing children but u are fine with abortion, so hypocritical

[@apracity7672]

@@michaelfourie345 the irony in you saying that you take problem with adults believing in what they believe and them asking for other people to respect their beliefs, yet here you are, by your own free will, coming on Christian youtube channels and commenting everywhere to complain about their beliefs

[@eccolibri]

@@apracity7672 This channel is CNN. I'm pretty sure the C does not stand for Christian.

[@vdgitaliano]

The scripture very clearly defines the reason, there’s no need to question or to wonder. The Bible says that the Canaanites had attacked the Israelites hundreds of years earlier, with great weapons of war and destruction and the Israelites were simple farmers having nothing but pitchforks and simple shovels. In order to fully understand this you have to go back to the scripture and find the reasons. The Bible says that the Lord forgives all of our sins, the most scarlet of them and he makes them as if they never existed and he remembers them no more. With the Canaanites he clearly says that he remembered what they had done to his people. That’s a sign that not only have they not repented, but it was also in their hearts to continue to do it again because it says he remembered which is contrary to what he does when we have repented and asked for forgiveness and turned away from our evil ways. When we continue to grasp on to our evil or our sinful minds and hearts, he remembers our sins, it’s only when we turn away from our old ways that he also turns away from the memory of what we’ve done or will do. The term waiting for their sins to become a full or to fulfillment means that he was waiting for every last hope of repentance to be gone and for the desire of their sin to be the only thing that was in their hearts before he acted. He wasn’t waiting for them to become the most evil that they could, he was waiting for every last shred of hope that they would repent to be gone before he sought justice upon them. Believe it or not people, he was waiting for the Canaanites to repent, that was his hope and he wasn’t going to besiege them until every last shred of evidence that they would was gone. Only at that moment did he act and he acted by justifying it through saying he had waited hundreds of years. The Canaanites would have once again infiltrated Israel and brought destruction and evil upon their nation and also into their nation. It should also be noted that the Bible says that the sins of the father are visited upon the children up to the fourth generation. The Lord in his wisdom knew that the children of Canaan would not be free from the many and great curses that were about to come upon them, they would never be able to escape them and that death was a better option for them than to live in the life that was being delivered to them by their fathers and that the afterlife that would be delivered through divine justice upon them for having done so. most people only see that the Most High murdered children, what they don’t acknowledge is that he saved them spiritually in the long run, he kept them from the sins of their fathers and the curses that would’ve fallen on them causing them to live lives that would’ve made them stand at the final judgment and be sent to hell. He took those children while they were still his just as he promises, saving every last one of them, even the ones that were in the wombs of the women. The Lord commands us to understand that his ways are higher than our ways, as far as the sun is from the earth are his ways higher than ours and he doesn’t need to justify himself, we need to trust him in all things and know that he works toward good and righteousness alone. If you ask him, in some strange way he will always reveal the truth to you. It may not be what you want to hear, but he’s not a liar, ever!

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

No he isn't. Cos he don't exist. And if he did all he'd get from me is laughter. Nowt but a sick, demented creature.

[@mauricegibney8449]

If death was the final straw and no life after death it would be wrong to kill. But if God is real then death is bringing children home and wicked parents to judgement ending another generation of moral depravity! We all have a date to face our Saviour. ❤

[@whyismyricewet1986]

So killing kids is okay if they go to heaven anyways?

[@Constance-e4g]

Actually this is not God but these small God's of men. If you understand it well it was cananites that allowed those things.

[@KravMagoo]

Why is it "wrong" for God to kill??? He made everything and everyone, and it is His prerogative to do whatever He wants, and He can do so with no limitation of any sort. He is not bound by any law that He created and gave to men, just like if I tell my children not to go out into the street, I am not thereby prohibited from crossing the street to check the mailbox. The rule was for my kids, not me. God creating life does not in any way oblige Him to that life. You might not like it, but you can't do anything to change that fact.

[@masonridgewell8063]

​@@whyismyricewet1986 Are you God? From God it is not wrong, for mankind yes. If God would kill me knowing he let me enter His kingdom I'd sign up this very minute.

[@InsanityShorts_TV]

you are sickening. No WAY you have the Holy Spirit with that kind of sadistic, sociopathic outlook

[@LindsayJackel]

What’s offensive is that all too many people believe women and children are more precious and valuable than men. All humans are of equal value and worth. It is evil to prioritise one group over another.

[@koonkoon01]

This is what I don't get nowadays. That drama of who's superior and who's boss doesn't really make sense to me. It should be of harmony, God made us that way. To support each other and make good things. People really need to let go of their pride and be humbled.

[@earnestlycontendingforthef5332]

​@@koonkoon01 It's very simple and plain enough if we humbly accept the "Word of God." The woman Eve, was created for the benefit of man. "If a woman will not wear [a head] covering, then she should cut off her hair too; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her head shorn or shaven, let her cover [her head]. 7 For a man ought not to wear anything on his head [in church], for he is the image and [reflected] glory of God [ his function of government reflects the majesty of the divine Rule]; but woman is [the expression of] man's glory (majesty, preeminence). 8 For man was not [created] from woman, but woman from man; 9 Neither was man created on account of or for the benefit of woman, but woman on account of and for the benefit of man. 10 Therefore she should [be subject to his authority and should] have a covering on her head [as a token, a symbol, of her submission to authority, that she may show reverence as do] the angels [and not displease them]. " 1 Corinthians 11:6-10 (AMP.BIBLE)

[@luckypurl]

One of the few on here making sense. The idea that it's acceptable to kill men, but once you kill women you've crossed a line, is completely unbiblical and it's completely amoral. It's simply a gross cultural preference that our culture made up and tries to impose on other cultures who know better.

[@heyguysitsmichael7183]

I’ve read a lot of the comments and I suggest instead of trying to find the answer just accept that we are human and we don’t understand the works of god, and maybe that’s part of the test. What I do know is he does things for the greater good.

[@hillarycolen1163]

So god expects us to understand and follow moral ethics but god doesn't follow his own laws.....'so Orwellian.! Seems like proof that gods are half-baked human creations.

[@heyguysitsmichael7183]

hillary Colen the problem with some of us humans is that we want an answer to things, my answer: we have to accept

[@nybfbg9442]

@@heyguysitsmichael7183 Its a funny thing, but atheists demand certain answers until atheism itself is questioned. Then its " We have to accept some uncertainty."

[@MuiGabriel]

I am not accepting some guy who killed thousands because Some parts of its country is evil, all the massacres he has done is not justified, saying it that's him teaching them a lesson is justified is not common sense just cause people don't believe at something they didn't have any evidence of existing is "not believing"

[@watchman895]

Right we can't undersrand His great intension. But i think the cannaites were not pure humanbeings. They were like beasts without souls. We can assume that according to the Bible. Fallen angels had interevened into human history. They had tried to confused human genes with animals or another things. Because the Messiah would come to this world as a pure human being. Satan and his fallen angels had known about it, so they tried to mix human genes with anythingelse. The cannanites also were mixtures by fallen angels (or Nephilim) 's experiments. The book of jude expresses them as other fleshes. It means that they were like zombies and they could contaminate all the people in this world. To prevent that contaminatoin God had ordered his people to kill the canaanites even children.

[@ryke1414]

If you hated the answer, you were a better Christian before you were a Christian.

[@josefernandez-leon4024]

We are not to ignore the Serpent seed line, and in every occasion when God needed to deal with this line with extinction/destruction, it was because of their seed line. Genesis is critical, especially ch 6.

[@josefernandez-leon4024]

EH, you hit a bull’s eye! (Even if you wrote this comment a month ago!).

[@fredgillespie5855]

Jose Fernandez-Leon - the Serpent seed line is fiction.

[@josefernandez-leon4024]

@@fredgillespie5855 It is for those who do not seriously study the Scriptures, but limit their knowledge to that which other men say.

[@dominiqueharry7436]

Its sicking that people are justifiying slaughter innocent people,what the hell! This is Genocide!!!!!!!

[@dominiqueharry7436]

This man is also incorrect. The only cannanites who were doing child sacrifice according to historical evidence were the people of Cartherage and ISREALITES to YHWH.

[@vladeymir5231]

No one questions God when he pronounced judgment against his own people of Israel and caused Nebuchadnezzar to invade Judah and to exterminate hundreds of thousands of Isralites. God is not biased as some people may think. God subjects his people to even more scrutiny because they are called after his name. We don't need to find excuses for God as to why he did what he did. The bottom line is that both Jews and non-Jews underwent God’s judgement throughout the human history.

[@jonpool9030]

Absolutely spot on my brother

[@airbolt6496]

Vladey Mir so what you’re saying is, don’t question god just accept his punishments. Yeah that fairs well for everyone. That is the same as a dictator forcing you to allow his unfair rule and punishment without question

[@henryzayef9650]

And am perceiving our judgement being most severe because of 'being well fed and knowledgeable yet so delightfully critical of other generations before us and God who dealt with them.

[@yaboy20071]

Yes! It didn't occur to me until now that I can't recall anyone ever raising the point that God judged His own people using the very nations that they were to destroy. In fact, the Israelites became so disobedient and desperate that they resulted to cannibalism. Isn't that something.

[@adams13245]

So God's justice is have all the nations beat the crap out of each other. Yet somehow Israel is better than the other nations... cause... God's the one ordering them to conquer and slaughter and rape. Just like Marduk for the Babylonians. Wonder how people can tell them apart?

[@Horaciojonesjr]

What did the infants do or not do to have their murder to be defined as “just”???????????

[@neilsiebenthal9254]

God said so..

[@claudiasolomon1123]

Don't act like you don't know what those babies did.. .

[@chuckhough]

Who deserves justice? Who is the arbiter? You or God? And are you certain justice hasnt been served. What if their young death on earth was done justice with a 100 fold peace, happiness, and pleasure in heaven?

[@jasonchelette8175]

Why couldn't God have simply raptured the children to heaven? They didn't have to be killed!?

[@bizmanpatrick214]

Life is not simple. Perhaps these babies would have grown up to do the same practices of human sacrifice. If God is In charge, there was a reason

[@dawndanner6672]

U don’t how much this helped me. I would get so angry about this and even told my husband I didn’t think I could follow a God like this. I looked this up on google and I found 1 article about this 1 and he pissed me off even more. So I came over to KZbin and found u so thank u so much!!

[@radijaye7435]

Now u feel ok to see people killing children. How did you convince yoir self with that wow . If god did it him self we can say ok but it's human beings killing children that's hard even to imagine. And not only human god according to u didn't even forget the animals

[@cputeq007]

I'm glad this video helped you -- and I would stress the *most important part* of this video is the very beginning, where he says we must uphold that God is always just and righteous. If that is the case, then we have to be extremely careful when examining hard texts (like the Canaanite extermination) lest we make a rash decision that something is unjust - which sets ourselves above God and His knowledge and judgement (see the end of Job, where God puts a smackdown on Job that is unrivaled in the Bible, because Job presumed to know what was going on). Additionally, I think it *really helps* to realize that not only don't we know even a fraction of what God knows, but we often have a different perspective -- humans keep to the immediate/temporal perspective vs God's eternal perspective. What that means -- Say for instance we see in the news a young child horribly abused then killed by their parents. We look and say "Why God, why did you allow this? This is unjust!" Meanwhile, God in His mercy may have actually brought that child out of a horrible situation that, had the child /lived/, would have caused that child to turn away from the very God that wants to save them! Instead they are in eternal bliss with God, vs living in a horrible state on earth. Now let's transport this *possibility* (I can't be sure of all of this, but it's possible) to the Canaanite externmination. We know the Canaanites were idolaters and worshipping using child sacrifices -- so we might consider "okay, it's just that the men be exterminated." However, women were most likely also taking part in this worship, as they also felt it honorable that they bore the very child they were going to sacrifice. Complicit in the crimes -- so maybe it's the women that get exterminated as well. But what about the children? Why them? Here are a couple of possible alternative scenarios -- 1) The children are taken as slaves for the Israelites vs being killed -- and grow up (some at least) with a knowledge of what the Israelites had done to their families. They grow up resenting and hating Israel and vow to never serve their God, therefore damning themselves. 2) They're taken as slaves but follow Israel -- right into condemnation because Israel ended up being horrible idolaters themselves and subject to horrible punishments. Therefore, they end up being caught up in the same condemnation as the Israelites earned. Now let's take what really happened -- God made a righteous judgement and had the Israelites wipe out most of the Canaanites, even children. However, God, in His mercy, has rescued these same children by doing so! There are several times in the Bible when the death of a young child is equated to being with God (David, when his child died, felt better and said he would be where the child is one day)...and I believe John (don't quote me on this) says it would have been good to be stillborn and with God than not (I should really look up this text). This doctrine is called the "age of accountability" but more aptly should be called the "condition of accountability" (since the age at which one can knowingly reject God is different). Not everyone subscribes to this doctrine, but what it essentially says is that people who are unable to accept or reject God (typically young children) are granted grace and are brought into heaven. This would explain where the souls of aborted children would go, for instance. We can't 100% assume this is in fact the case every time...only God knows it all. But there is biblical support for young children being in the presence of God. If we firstly rest on the justice of God, and Him knowing way, way more than we do -- we can at least read the Canaanite extermination with humbleness. If we then examine the possibility of a condition of accountability, we see it's possible that God, in His gracious mercy, actually *saved* those Canaanite children.

[@dawndanner6672]

@@cputeq007 thank u so much! Maybe in the future I could ask u some other things but at the same time I don’t want to take up your time but I am so glad u answered back to me. 🩷

[@radijaye7435]

@@cputeq007 that's sad to think god will order the killing of children by human and even the animals. If god want to kill all the people he can do it directly no need to order himan being to do such a horrible thing

[@starfox5352]

An omnipotent god can acheive its goals without slaughter. Unless slaughter is the goal

[@iTACHI270]

I like how we dismiss our morals when it comes to God, calling fear "just", is the abused housewife mentality.

[@adenjones1802]

Exactly, its like spiritual Stockholm syndrome.

[@christianmotley262]

I see that you have become an expert in ancient Neolithic tribal goings on.

[@wildbillhackett]

Not just men, women, and children, but their animals too.

[@asgaard636]

That's right- If it was breathing, it died.

[@chvazquez]

An excellent book addressing this question (and others) is Is God a Moral Monster?, by Paul Copan. Blessings from México 🇲🇽😊

[@general8109]

The late Herbert Armstrong and the present Churches of God give the best teaching on people who have died without hearing of Jesus and those who God destroyed...there is going to come a time when ALL will be given a chance to hear who Christ is.

[@FrankNStein-pf9rr]

100% CORRECT!! AND that IS NOT just generally speaking, General. :-)

[@Ozzyman200]

Disgusting to say mass-murder is fine as long as you have faith. Would he be willing to be killed as long as his murderer said his god had commanded him? This is why religion fails so badly with morals.

[@Ozzyman200]

@Philip Tooley Ah, ad hominems. You want me to be wrong, but you can't explain why, so you just use insults. And then you pretend others are stupid. Always the way. All I did was criticize mass murder, and this is the response. That says a lot.

[@leelind2694]

@@Ozzyman200 The point is, is that either the guy is this video is wrong or disingenuous. The fallen angels corrupted the blood line of humans. They were trying to STOP God's creation. I went to church most of my childhood and early adulthood and was never taught the truth. But all one has to do is read the integrated message system that God has compiled for you and I. Seek and you will find. Faith does not come without confirmation.

[@Ozzyman200]

@Philip Tooley Ye there was as everyone could see. Busted. Now, tell me, is mass-murder ok?

[@Ozzyman200]

@@leelind2694 I've been where you were, and it's good that you can see you were brainwashed as a child. I'm sorry that was done to you. All you have to do is think if you would like to be murdered. If you wouldn't, you can see how evil the god character was. I have no interest in faith, only truth. Seek with an open mind, and you'll see.

[@Ozzyman200]

@Philip Tooley Ah, more ad hominems. And all I did was oppose mass-murder. There's that religious love for you.

[@justincredible.]

Here's a great pro-life one for ya; Hosea 13:16 "They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.

[@drdisrespect5318]

God is the only one who have the right to take life just as much as He gives life according to His ultimate plan.

[@captainkrajick]

Isn't that the result of the Israelites continuing to rebel and not follow God? That they will be conquered and that's how their conquerors will treat them? wat

[@maegardnermills4292]

@@drdisrespect5318 Which God? Their are many gods.

[@drdisrespect5318]

@@maegardnermills4292there is only one God. Jesus Christ

[@themaneatingrabbit]

@@drdisrespect5318 I thought Jesus was the son of God

[@ETERNALLIFEINELOHIM]

THE FACT THAT "GOD'S WAYS ARE NOT OUR WAYS", SPEAKS VOLUMES! WE DO NOT LOVE MORE THAN HE DOES, BECAUSE HE IS LOVE. GOD MAKES DECISIONS BASED ON HIS TIMING, HIS PURPOSE, AND HIS REASONING, NOT OURS. HE IS ALL- KNOWING, ALL-POWERFUL, AND OMNIPRESENT, BECAUSE HE IS ALL-SPIRIT. GOD SEES THE BEGINNING AND THE END, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END. HE MAKES DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT LIMITED BY WHAT WE CAN NOT SEE. WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW. AND WHERE WE CAN'T GO. SO, SENSE WE CAN'T. SINCE WE DON'T. AND SINCE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO, HE DOES. HE IS. HE IS THE I AM. HIS DECISIONS FACTOR IN THE FUTURE. GOD ALREADY KNEW THE HEARTS OF EACH PERSON WAY BEFORE TIME CAUGHT UP WITH WHAT HE ALREADY KNOWS. PERHAPS HE ALREADY KNEW THAT THE CHILDREN WOULD HAVE REJECTED HIS MESSAGE IN THE END.

[@TheEddiez06]

That’s why we need to deposit our hopes and believe in him, because he is the way and the truth.

[@jackjones3657]

Protecting a God-fearing people from those who, after being given every opportunity to repent and turn from evil do not, that is a LOVING thing. God judges because He alone has the ultimate right to do so. And He protects those who fear/revere Him in the process. We're all prone to do it but it is the height of arrogance for a finite human to feel we can judge God by our superficial standards.

[@kazmiller96]

The real height of arrogance is telling your children that you know everything and every choice you made was indeed the right one. Then, telling them that questioning you is a capital offense.

[@sids5002]

@Eddie 1967 If he is happy to create sentient and feeling human beings, then slaughter them, he sounds truly awful!!! He also, sounds imperfect, as he must have made mistakes in their creation!! Either way, not really worthy of admiration is he?

[@julianmarsh1378]

total and complete nonsense...God had the power to simply remove them peacefully from the Promise Land but chose instead to have them slaughtered even when the Hebrews hesitated to commit genocide. A monster.

[@Cole-Thinks-Things]

No Jack. We're judging God by HIS* standards. You see the difference? And God said - Thou shalt not kill... Unless I don't like someone. Then thou shalt kill all of the Men, women and children. AND even the animals because I am a merciful god. . . Except don't kill the virgin girls. You keep them of course. After you sacrifice a portion of them to me. You keep the rest. And if you have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader I think you can figure out WHY God specified VIRGIN girls. I'll give you a hint - it wasn't because they were really smart and we're valued for their book learnin's

[@arpthirteen6713]

So how will God judge the devil if he created him to be evil?

[@kurtfrederiksen5538]

So if I am getting this right, through God everything can be made moral? Or in other words whatever God says is moral, so if God tells me to nuke this planet so everyone dies, that is completely moral, same if he tells me to sleep with my own children? I guess this kinda makes sense, in Genesis God intentionally created humans without the ability to know good from evil, then subsequently punished us when we stole the ability from him. Though that only makes him out to be the bad guy, sounds like he just created us to uncritically and unquestionably obey and worship him. If God created everything in the garden of Eden perfectly, then why cannot we use the ability to distinguish of good and evil to judge him?

[@neilsiebenthal9254]

It's simple, if you don't believe in God you have no good morals. What are good morals? Well if you're religious it's whatever God says and does, which is why humans have been killing each other for centuries thinking it's a good thing. If you're not religious, it's based on what makes people happy, healthy, and not suffer. Which makes nonreligious people immoral.. Because only moral people rationalize genocide, rape and torture... That's what religion teaches at least, to those that actually read the Bible.

[@KolbyKHart]

Hey! Good points/questions here! Shows your thinking through it all a lot and that’s respectable! I think the phrasing “we stole” the knowledge of good and evil is a slight change in phrasing but a big change in meaning. What I mean by that is if you read through genesis and look at the historical context of the passages, it’s clear that the age old scenario is set in motion right from the start. God creates us, God loves us, he wants us to love him, in order to have true love we need free will (otherwise we are robots), in order to have free will we have the ability to NOT choose God. So it wasn’t a matter of God putting our childlike hand “near the hot stove” so to speak. But moreso him giving up some of his power to say, I love humanity enough to give them a choice. So it’s not that we “stole” the knowledge of good and evil, but rather that it would be unloving for God to NOT give us the ability to choose it. For example, what if after 20 years of marriage, your wife said “I’ve been forced to love you by a man hiding behind the scenes” would you still consider that true love? Or even more, would you continue to say the two of you love each other going forward? In my opinion, no you would not. Hopefully that makes sense. I struggle with questions like this a lot but it’s also good to ask them and think critically! I commend you my friend!

[@kurtfrederiksen5538]

​@@KolbyKHart I will concede that the "we stole" is a bit of hasty wording on my part. As how does one steal from a being that is both maximally knowing and maximally powerful? Though further reflection on this revelation only makes things worse. God created the garden and man and women without the ability to determine good from evil. He also created the serpent with full knowledge that it would tempt Eve and she would lack the ability to determine what she was doing is wrong. As they say "Qui tacet consentire videtur"; humanity did not steal the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, we took it with complete consent of God. At any point God could of intervened or ejected the serpent from paradise. He had knowledge of what was going on, he had the power to trivially prevent it from happening and yet he did not. God could of given Eve the ability to not be deceived by the serpent... wait the serpent did not deceive her, as far as I can tell it was the only character in this story which consistently told the truth. God said that if they ate the fruit from good and evil they would surely die, they ate and did not die (it logically follows that they were not immortal due to needing to also eat from the tree of life, so death had already entered Eden). The serpent said that if they ate the fruit from the tree of good and evil they would become more like God, which is what happened. So perhaps God should of given them the ability to know good and evil from the start so that they would know what they did was wrong. This would at least mean that when Eve was tempted she would actually be able to make a moral choice. Then you run into the morality of punishing another being for doing something it has no capacity to know is wrong. Do you toss your dog out on the street because it ran off when someone else called it? Or do you accept that your dog is not able to act as a moral agent (know good and evil) and should not be punished for the act? This is only further compounded, not only were Adam and Eve saddled with this punishment but all of their decedents. That seems like an inequitable punishment. If God is the one who makes the rules who gets into heaven and the duration and scope of the punishment he could of removed it at any time. Instead he decides he is going to spend an insignificant amount of time among us then sacrifice himself (in the son form) to himself (in the God form) so that he would change his own mind about a rule he made. It appears the entire sacrifice was trivial unnecessary and was only done as a form of self aggrandizement. As to the issue of free will, God still could of stepped and prevented Eve from taking the apple at any point and she still would have free will. This is the same as you stepping in to prevent your kid from drinking bleach, it does nothing to stifle their free will, nor does doing so show that you do not love them by removing their choice. As for it being unloving for God to not give us the choice, I would agree if he also gave them the ability to act as moral agents and at least to some extent understand the ramifications of their actions. However, he intentionally deprived Adam and Eve of this and then punished them when they acted on this lack of knowledge. Honestly, the more I read the bible the more I see a textbook case of a gaslighting.

[@KolbyKHart]

@@kurtfrederiksen5538 100% see where you’re coming from! When I was in the darkest part of my life, these are the questions I asked. Which are all essentially asking “why God?” for a lot of different scenarios/situations. My main push back would be on the serpent point. To say that the serpent told the truth and was the only one to do so is falling into the very trap the serpent has always used. If I were someone’s enemy, I would tell them truth mixed with lies. In this case, the serpent does just that by saying “you surely will not die” (the lie) and then combining that with a truth “you will be like God knowing good from evil”. Mankind would not have death if it weren’t for the fall, that much is clear. But we do know good and evil. So Eve buys into the statement and the rest is history. As for why God did not intervene, again I would go back to my original question of “what is more loving”? I see what you are getting at with the bleach analogy. But let’s take that further. What if we made the bleach represent the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If I simply took the bleach away, does the child to choose to obey me? Sure there’s no bleach to worry about, but what if someone else introduces it, is the child equipped to resist? Let’s take it further, when a parent raises a child, you can try to control everything they see and touch and experience, but would it be loving to confine them to a room with 0 chance of danger or corruption or outside influence? My point being, even as humans we understand that for a relationship to be real and for life to be genuine, we have to let others choose. That’s why parents raise up their children the best they can and send them off into the world, even knowing that harm could come to them. And, in Genesis, we read that we are the children, God is our father, and we chose against him. Yet he loved us enough to give us that choice. Which in my opinion, is wild and crazy. But it’s also so true cause it’s the only way it makes sense. Sure, have God take out the tree from the garden, but what happens the next time a choice is to be made by humanity? One misconception I had growing up was the mentality that “oh I wouldn’t have done what Adam and Eve did” I would have chosen God. But sadly that’s just not true. That’s why the world is broken because we like to try to be our own gods and if everyone thinks they are god, chaos follows. History proves that much. When “Christians” claimed a holy war on outsiders, they took themselves as gods and slaughtered countless, when Stalin thought himself a god over his people, millions died, genghis khan, hitler, British empire with her colonies, Americans with the Native American tribes. The list goes on and on through all of human history. So yes, the serpent surely was lying by saying “you surely will not die”. In my life so far and research I’ve done, all I see is death in this world! It’s crazy haha. With all that being said tho, I like your train of thought and how carefully your thinking things through! I would really encourage you to read two books: The Screwtape Letters, and the book of Job (in the Bible). Read those with an open mind and then see what conclusions you draw! Wish you the best though man, this was fun!

[@kurtfrederiksen5538]

​@@KolbyKHart I would push back on the idea that death was not already in the world. If death was absent in a pre-fall world there would be no need for the tree of life. Additionally, if I recall correctly both Adam and Eve lived for something like 900 years after they left Eden, so to be told they surely wouldn't die due to eating the fruit appears to be a fairly accurate statement as it appears that eating the fruit did nothing to kill them, rather gods over reaction and tossing them out of the garden did. I mean they could of always eaten from the tree of life. Your further questions that were spurred by my bleach analogy actually highlight the issue with the situation god put Adam and Eve into. You ask what would happen if someone introduced it and posit that they would not be equipped to resist. However, you miss out a critical detail, god intentionally deprived from Adam and Eve the ability to resist. He deprived them the knowledge of knowing what is good and evil, to act as moral agents. They did not get the knowledge of that they did wrong till after they had tasted of the fruit. We already have this issue with our AI and machine learning algorithms, they have no concept of good and evil and thus do many wrongs in the world. But do we punish them? No, because they are incapable of understanding that what they did is wrong, instead we punish the creator of them. So in this case, god should punish himself for not being a good steward of his creations. There is a huge difference between Adam and Eve and children. Children are capable of understanding good and evil, right from wrong, Adam and Eve were not able to do so until they ate of the fruit. The better analogy would be a dog or a current generation AI, as they mostly lack the ability to act as a moral agent. I also do not see Adam and Eve making a choice. When god created the universe he already knew everything which would transpire, he already knew Adam and Eve would eat of the apple and in fact could of created a universe in which they did not. He made the choice for them by creating a universe in which he knowingly and purposefully made circumstances which cause them to eat of the fruit. If I create a series of circumstances which over-ride your reason and railroad you into a choice, did you really make a choice or just the illusion of choice? If I then blame you for making a choice, one I already knew you would make and one which I schemed to put you in the very situation where you were forced to make it, does not that make me a gaslighter and the immoral one in the story? I dunno, if I was in the same circumstances as Adam and Eve I bet I would do the same thing, I suspect you would as well. I am willing to bet you claim otherwise because you are coming at this as a person who has the ability to act a moral agent and a plethora of experience which they did not have. Strip all that away and I am willing to bet you would make completely different sets of decisions. There is more I could remark on your post, but mine has already gotten overly long so I am just going to cut it short here.

[@onestepaway3232]

Does God need to justify his judgement? No. He alone is the giver and taker of life

[@butkusfan23]

One Step Away says who? What did those millions of babies do to deserve to drown in a flood?

[@jeevantomson6967]

Unfortunately the same god gave humans the ability to think rationally and make judgment based on that. So depending on the values and circumstances, they judge it differently.

[@donniebrasco7243]

That sounds like an abusive relationship to me.

[@onestepaway3232]

Matty23 Says Says God? What about the millions of babies that have no voice today that die in the womb through abortion? Do they deserve not the same opportunity as you and me? Judgment is real and brought fourth by God. When you die you will be judged for the life you lived whether you believe it or not.

[@onestepaway3232]

Donniebrasco abusive relationship is when something isn’t done to the abuser. Remove the abuser and there is no more abuse. Like a garden. If not watched over the weeds will over power it’s purpose. You need to remove the weeds so your produce can grow, yield fruit and serve its purpose

[@jimmysimms2399]

I first had doubts about God when I was about 8 years old and heard some of the stories in the Old Testament about God ordering the killing of innocent men, women, and children, and not only that but the killing of their animals. Christians love the story of Daniel being spared in the lions den whereas to me the end of that story is horrific. God spared Daniel but the men who betrayed him were thrown to the lions and killed. Not only that but their wives and children were thrown to the lions and killed. I still can't figure out what the women and children did to deserve being torn to pieces. I am now a fully committed atheist.

[@albusai]

Jimmy Simms foreknowledge of them , would you have killed hitler as a child if you knew what he would become ?

[@jimmysimms2399]

@@albusai"God" had plenty of chances to kill Hitler and didn't. In the 1st World War, during one of his marches when people were shot dead all round him. He killed children but let Hitler live. Why ??

[@TruckTruck-gu9vs]

Jimmy Simms I feel like the basis of your question is false. You want those who have a worldview that centers around the immaterial and eternal to give an explanation that is based on your materialistic worldview. We had a stillborn child who had some serious health issues. Doctors knew of the issues but we're surprised to find her dying in the womb right at the end of the pregnancy. We prayed for God's will from the beginning and wanted Him to intervene to heal her. We were heartbroken because of her mallady and did not want her to suffer. Her heart unexpectedly stopped as we were told in the hospital. She is with God as we understand it and no longer suffering. While it is difficult for us to understand and we miss her, we are happy that she is in Paradise and we will see her one day. We had since been blessed with two more healthy girls. My point is you understand these things differently because you don't believe in eternal life. Also there are things that neither you nor I can understand due to our limited perspective so it's good to not be overly presumptuous. Maybe the saying He is God and we are not would apply here.

[@jimmysimms2399]

@@TruckTruck-gu9vs I'm really happy that your faith helped you ansd your wife to get through what must have been a very difficult period in your lives. I'm especially happy that you went on to have children. I don't want to debate with you my atheist beliefs because you are happy and secure in your faith in God. I'm also very content in my belief. I have a terminal illness and will meet my end unshaken in this belief and have already stated that there is to be no religious ceremony when I die. I wish you and your family a happy healthy future.

[@TruckTruck-gu9vs]

@@jimmysimms2399 As for faith I can only be a witness to what I know to be true. But so hope for your mind to change in this matter, though I wish you well in your life regardless.

[@cheryli2317]

I love what Truth Teller just said. People have a lot to say about someOne thry do not know. They seem to know better than God does.

[@ob2249]

cheryl ingram muslims, jews, hindus, bhuddists, catholic,s protestants, presbytarians, methodists, unitarians, mormons, jehovahs witnesses. "they all seem to know better than god does " which gang are you in ?

[@arrosconpollo1]

I had a really hard time with this when I was in my 20s. Then of course I learned about when Moses sent his spies into the promise land and found it was full of nephilim! Sorry folks, this isn’t allegory, this land was full of giants and people who had to go!

[@maadtee6281]

Giants never existed that's a lie that's like saying unicorns exist when people confused them for rhinos Giants were just really tall people if they had to be all killed why leave the virgin women there is a plot hole

[@maadtee6281]

@@edwardhill7045 yeah and I have seen videos of Tokoloshi and snakes that walk point is people see weird shit that they don't understand what they are at first If there were giant bones like you say in universities why wouldn't more people be aware of them why wouldn't the government actually show them seems like a great way to convert people to christianity this sound like utter Bullocks to me and why wouldn't that youtube channel about soldiers seeing and killing giants be shut down

[@maadtee6281]

@@edwardhill7045 and if these giants do exist what makes you think they are evil they can be just as good as humans are

[@maadtee6281]

@@edwardhill7045 Satan doesn't want this world what he wants is to be free he doesn't punish unless yahweh let's him to he doesn't have power in this world and that's a lie if it was exposed as real then everyone will see Yahweh as true God Israel will be more protected from the "evil" Arabs by people across the world allowing usa to take oil from across the middle east

[@maadtee6281]

@@edwardhill7045 same with yahweh he uses trickery on his people to and besides the revolution we have 2 accounts of satan where he talked yah about job and yah let him torture him and where he wanted jesus to follow him besides that it was others who did the evil deeds

[@josephhoggang7139]

Its only God who can answer that question, if the reason is not stated in the bible.

[@elohiymkingdom9453]

Lol typical cop-out. Just use your brain.

[@reverendv8900]

Sinful people who refuse to repent WANT God to be an unrighteous judge, so that they can more comfortably remain in darkness.

[@ilikecheeseburger42]

What if I told you that you're dead wrong. People who refuse to repent to god know he doesn't exist, they are smart people and I think you should consider listening to what other people have to say than just make a baseless claim.

[@trumpbellend6717]

What utter nonsense on SO many levels. firstly there is no such thing as SIN only moral and imoral actions. The percieved whims of anyone's imaginary friend are irrelevant. For example do you regard yourself as " SINFUL " because you do not face mecca and pray 5 times a day ?? Or is it only YOUR specific imaginary friends moral guidance we have to follow???

[@stargirl6659]

Which god is this you talk of? The Jewish, Christian, or Muslim god?

[@emma_luce_0623]

@@ilikecheeseburger42 Nope. Y’all just think you you’re SO AMAZING that you don’t have to be held accountable to God and so you refuse to believe in Him. You don’t like to admit that you aren’t as smart as you’d like to be and that you shouldn’t be giving in to the urges of the flesh but rather the needs of your immortal God given soul so you pretend to yourself that there is no God. However, you’ll 100% regret that when you are in your knees in the presence of our great God and you realize you were wrong the entire time you were in Earth.

[@ilikecheeseburger42]

well my original comment got deleted so let's have another go at it, no I don't think I'm so amazing or better than anyone else for not believing in god, it's just a belief, not really that big of a deal, but people like you like to make it a big deal with baseless accusations and saying I have to pretend to not believe in god, but in reality it's the lack of evidence that makes me not believe in god. I will never regret my decision, even if I'm wrong and I am at standing face to face with god, but it will be his fault, not mine for the lack of evidence and contradictions in the bible, like saying stars will fall from the sky, or there is a hard dome around the Earth. Obviously he isn't real, you're just scared of death, as are the people that made this pretend book up, and I get why you do that.

[@unskillfullymasterful]

there is so much beauty in the bible if you just look closely, or even if you listen to what these people have interpreted

[@radijaye7435]

There is always some fans even for killing children that's sad really sad

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

What makes people defend the massacre of innocent children?

[@atomterrible]

One I hear often is that it's okay to kill children because they won't have a high quality of life. Wait, that's for abortion. Sorry.

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

@@atomterrible I don't think it's arguments that convince people in these cases.

[@CricketFan-js5ee]

@@atomterrible how about giving them good life instead of killing? How can you kill anyone just because they are poor ? Or you believing that they are not living good life or ignorant etc???

[@divac7777]

How do you know they were human?

[@davidwilson7082]

Stupidity.

[@charlesyanni5195]

What assurance (if any) did the ancient Israelite prophets give to prove that these extreme commands actually came from God and not just from the man doing the talking? How do we know that it was, in fact, God who wanted the Israelites to do all that killing and not just some guy's idea?

[@lukasfilipsky31]

You have no assurance. You just must believe, otherwise your loving god will send you to hell.... Just joking, there is no god.

[@lukasfilipsky31]

@Northern Wolf There are people kneeling before all powerful Krishna with exactly the same feeling. Does it make Krishna 100% real? Feelings are not an evidence.

[@lukasfilipsky31]

@Northern Wolf Your fictional god didn't convince me of his existence, so I don't believe in him. If he want me to worship him why he doesn't tell me clearly? And then he wants to punish me for not believing to a ridiculous fairy tale? .... Even if such a malevolent monster existed he would not be worth of worship.

[@lukasfilipsky31]

@Northern Wolf Btw, Hitler believed in Christ, is he in heaven? Ghandi was a nice man but a hindu, is he in hell? Christian morality is totally fucked up because the god of the bible is immoral as well as the god of the Quran.

[@lukasfilipsky31]

@Northern Wolf Okay. So I am going to hell for my disbelief regardless of how good I am. But if I turn to Christ, I am going to heaven regardless of how evil I am. Yes, god is love.... if the love means evil. Btw, over a billion of muslims thinks that you are going to hell. But don't worry. Islam is as false as christianity is. When you will die you will be dead. That's all.

[@peterandolph7628]

Because He’s God. He doesn’t answer to us.

[@regularguy2807]

More like because he doesn’t exist.

[@BrianReplies]

Exactly.

[@margaretbarrett6087]

Just like any other despicable dictator then

[@phloriaernas2149]

From my understanding, the Amalekites were an aggressive giant race. They were the first to attack the ancient Israel people when they got out from Egypt. First recorded giants were in Noah's time, the Nephilim. They were either the descendants of fallen angels cross breeding with human women, or fallen holy men who married Cain's descendants, or the fallen holy men who committed incestuous relationship. ... Remember the story of Lot? Lot's family survived Sodom and Gomorrah, and he fell into depression. His daughters gave him wine and slept with him. This is similar to Noah's story. After the flood, Noah got drank. When he was drunk Ham did something about his father's nakedness. Moses wrote in book of Leviticus that a husband's nakedness is his wife's nakedness. It was possible that Ham did it. After Noah found out, he cursed not Ham, but Ham's youngest son. This youngster's name was Canaan Ham probably got from incestuous relationship. Moses didn't write it literally because Noah was Israel's ancestor while Lot wasn't. ... Now, Amalekites were Canaan's descendants. They were also giants. They have done incestuous relationship and sacrificed babies to idols for centuries. They repeated what happened in Noah's time. That was why God had Moses told the Israelites: "do not do what they do, for this was the reason I had them wiped out, and he proceed to deliberately explain it in Leviticus 18 ..." ... So, God had them wiped out, similar to how he wiped out the Earth in the flood because humans were too violent and they married "whomever" they want. Similar to how he wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah when he found out men of a city wanted to "know" two male angels.

[@nicholaspierrecampo2534]

The created is not greater than it's creator,your opinion has notn to do with God but your salvation.

[@jameswiliams]

If Salvation does not include the return to the presence of God from this here life..what good is it? The vision of Divine Light This is what Lord Jesus told St. Symeon when He became worthy to His presence in His Divine Light. “It is me, God, Who became man for you; and behold that I have made you, as you see, and shall make you god”. www.monachos.net/content/patristics/studies-fathers/67 GOD IS LIGHT AND THE SAINTS IN THE HOLY SPIRIT BECOME LIGHT [Acts: 6-15] " 15 And all that sat in the He face council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6uspXmEpcmhjLs Ierotheos Metropolitan of Naupaktos about Greek Orthodox Baptism “Through the "rite of birth in God", holy baptism, man's nous (mind) is illuminated, freed from slavery to sin and the devil, and is united with God. What Is the Orthodox Church? - Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2azaGdqqM52bbc The word Salvation means "salvation from death" and the word "death" means the eternal separation of man from God!

[@DaInvisibleNinja]

You're the kind of guy who would have marched the jews to their deaths.

[@dianheffernan3436]

Wow and my family got set up with Watergate when after all it is this

[@lifeisabadjoke5750]

Sheep

[@davidweigel2238]

@@michaelfourie345 Seek Christ, time is short. Don’t harden your heart.

[@jwhite3830]

This guy makes no sense. Never really said shit. Any reasonable person would way this was a horrible person that did this, really a monster.

[@jstube36]

This sounds like a double standard. Anybody else who would order this mass-murder would de chastised heavily. But I see some chose to turn a blind eye or look the other way when their own deity commits this act.

[@JMRabil675]

Gods morality is supposed to be an extension of his nature. The 10 commandments are from his heart he put on ours, (thou shall not kill is one of them), YET God still commands killing of children, raping of women in Isiah 13, and so on. God is breaking his own nature and his own morality, even if it has good reasons. Its still wicked by biblical definition. Thats why im skeptical God actually commanded these things. These people were war-like because of the culture and life style of the time. Maybe they thought God commanded those specific things but in reality it was just the reality of war?

[@jstube36]

@@JMRabil675 The question I would ask. Why would God command his people to not murder or steal or covet thy neighbors goods. Then directs his people to massacre, plunder, and take the lands of their neighbors. In other words. What good are the commandments and laws, when they are not even followed by those who issue them?

[@mehmetsimsek4794]

@@jstube36 My view, those command were never meant to include foreigners. To me this is more obvious with slavery. Christians tend to soften the slavery by saying, it was voluntarialy, not like modern slavery, they are free 7 years or something. But they tend to ignore that Bible has completely different rules for foreign slaves. Why the different rules.? Yes bible says do not kidnap, but also in numerous occasion god orders it.(for foreigners of course). So I have the same view about other commandments. They change when it comes to foreigners. I have the same view on "love thy neighbour command." I dont think god/bible never meant to include non-christians. As seen in those verses or general in bible, god's people were never been good with their neighbours. I think "neighbour" term in bible only includes their own community

[@jstube36]

@@mehmetsimsek4794 It's these contradictions and moral double standards that are causing so many to reject the Bible. And triggering so many around the World to reject Religion altogether.

[@hunfelicia]

Thank you, Brother, it was very necessary teaching.

[@stevenshumate3430]

So what you're saying is, what it boils down to is, if god tells you to ki!! kids it isn't wrong?!

[@sierragoin863]

It's pretty sadistic. He killed almost all life himself with a flood and not through someone else.

[@stevenshumate3430]

@@sierragoin863 and after that didn't work out he sent his holy representatives to kill babies by slamming them to pieces and ripping open pregnant women. Hoses 13:16 "Our god is a awesome god" indeed!

[@entertherealmofchaos]

Sorry I nodded off for a bit. Did he justify genocide because someone heard a voice?

[@davidweigel2238]

Yes He did; they were His creation and they were evil. So He destroyed them!

[@entertherealmofchaos]

@@davidweigel2238 Was his creation a bit crap then? A bit like " Made in China ".

[@davidweigel2238]

@@entertherealmofchaos God gives us free will, we can choose to believe in Him or not. You have your lifetime to accept that gift, and the path is in everyone’s heart if they search, God’s promise, totally your call. If you don’t want it He will grant you the eternal separation from Him, but not in a place you may like. A life with Him who saved me, or with Satan who hates you and wants to torment you for eternity, your call.

[@sids5002]

@@davidweigel2238 What a douche, playing with lives like that! This god sounds pure evil

[@davidweigel2238]

@@sids5002 where were you when God laid the foundations of the earth, or when He put the oceans in there place? Where were you when He created the universe? No one can advise God! If man would not have sinned against God none of the destruction would have occurred. It is man’s fault, not God’s.

[@stevenfoster8762]

The answer is they were corrupt by demons fallen Angels. Nephilim like before the flood. There were others God judged the same way. This isn't the best answer. They weren't massacred because of their sin. They were not completely human and were completely sinful because of their corrupt bloodlines.

[@magmanight1338]

Preach it!!!! Their bloodline was corrupt because of the fallen angels deeds with thr intent to corrupt humans DNA to the point of preventing Jesus birth

[@orangemanbad]

It was for one reason only. God knew from the beginning of time he would incarnate through the Virgin Mary. Thus he had to protect the bloodline and keep the seed to make Mary in tact. This is why Mary is so revered. When the Angel Gabriel comes to her and says “Hail, full of grace.” She already had gods grace in order to complete this mission.

[@miriamcapojuu4850]

Do we believe in a merciful God and at the same time,a bloody God? This whole thing is just. 😳

[@KolbyKHart]

Miriam good point! Who do you believe God is?

[@miriamcapojuu4850]

@@KolbyKHart To be honest to you, neither and it's sad to say it, because at some point in my life I was a believer.🤷

[@KolbyKHart]

@@miriamcapojuu4850 hey totally get that! Nothing to be ashamed of! When I was in the darkest part of my life, these were the type of questions I was struggling with. So I can for sure relate. Any chance you’ve read the book of Job?

[@miriamcapojuu4850]

@@KolbyKHart Glad you understand.👍 Yes, I read the book of Job and all the Bible books, except Revelation.

[@miriamcapojuu4850]

@@Peekaboo-Kitty Twisted

[@austinschwartz7424]

as a Christian, I find that there is one thing that he missed that should be understood. The reason Yahweh repeatedly gives for the extermination of the Canaanites is that it is their judgment for their sin and rebellion against Him (Gen. 15:16; 18:20-21; Lev. 18:20-30; Deut. 7:3-4; 9:4-5). The Canaanites, as a whole culture, committed sins of idolatry, holy temple prostitution, adultery, homosexuality, incest, murder, bestiality, gang rape, and child sacrifice. Though other cultures also participated in some of these practices, it was the widespread involvement and acceptance of these sins that brought the Canaanites under Yahweh’s judgment. These sins exist in every culture, then and now, but are forbidden by most governments and are socially condemned by the majority of people in the culture. However, in Canaanite culture, these sins were pretty much universally practiced and accepted because this is what their gods were like. Not only did they declare these acts as righteous morality, but they also participated in these acts in the worship of their gods as a means of gaining the gods’ approval. And as he correctly pointed out God has stayed his hand until they had been degraded by generations of evil. Most readers can understand the men being killed, but Yahweh’s command of the death of the women and children is much harder to understand. The women were killed because they participated in violence, child sacrifices, bestiality, and sexual immorality just as much as the men did. The women would often fight in battles and participate with the men in the cutting off of their enemies’ heads and hands. They would often seduce men from other villages so that their men could kill them (Judg. 16:4-22). They also willingly offered their own children as a burnt sacrifice. The idea that women are more righteous or less sinful is a modern-day myth. now as for children I know that it's hard to believe but children can fight in wars there are stories of children fighting children as young as 8 who have been known to be Indoctrinated into fighting wars. And the Jewish people had a right to defend themselves even if that means they had to kill a child in self-defense. but notice that he commanded to kill all the Canaanites *all those who refused to leave* not necessarily those who were left behind I.E baby if you remember in the book of Genisis God and Abraham asked God if he would destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of50 then 40 and ultimately 10 righteous men ultimately there was only one Lot and what happened to Lot he was spared. I think that if there were any 3-month-old babies that had been left behind that the Jews would not kill them as they were not old enough to be judged by there own or there fathers actions as they could be adopted into a Jewish family and the familly of God.

[@mehmetsimsek4794]

I wonder where does it say in the Bible The Canaanites were doing idolatry, holy temple prostitution, adultery, homosexuality, incest, murder, bestiality, gang rape, and child sacrifice. Oh right, it doesnt.

[@tds7745]

Leviticus 18:24-25; 20:22-24 and in Dt 9:5; 12:29-31. And (1 Kings 14:24; 21:26; 2 Kings 16:3; 17:8; 21:2). Genesis 6. Genesis 15. There is a book called Unseen Realm by heiser if you want to deep dive into it as well.

[@boldsquared7276]

Is there a specific verse that says, "All who refused to leave." Or is it due to people like Rehab obviously knowing destruction was imminent yet not leaving. Apologies if it's obvious, but I've listened to multiple videos on this subject and I'm very tired.

[@tds7745]

@@boldsquared7276 Rahab was saved because of her faith in God. Joshua 2. Joshua 6:25. Mathew 1:5. Hebrews 11:31. James 2:25. Not sure the exact thing you are looking for but try Joshua 2:19.

[@matthewmurdoch6932]

"I don't know" would have been a better answer, I would suggest.

[@sahilthedisciple]

Matthew Murdoch that may be the best answer, but he did do a good job of highlighting the character of God and the deepness of our sin

[@matthewmurdoch6932]

@@sahilthedisciple I say this a theist, and I mean the following quite technically, that that answer offered could only suffice if the position of God is already granted and the Divinity of the Scriptures is not on question. It feels...lacking in so far as attempting to address how deep this problem truly is, for me.

[@michaelbee2165]

No, he answered the question. God's thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways.

[@shadowkyng40]

Just admit you don't believe in God's perfection. It's OK. Its at least honest.

[@sabrinawright3544]

I laughed out loud when I saw this comment. Thank you.

[@JonathanGrandt]

The Lord is wise. The Lord is good. He does not take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.

[@aguywithnoprofile6882]

but why did he still do it if he is a wise and good God?

[@Iminyourare12]

@@aguywithnoprofile6882 because he punishes evil doers

[@Chu_San]

@@Iminyourare12​why doesn’t he start the new heaven with the people he knew would choose him, So god doesn’t have to create people that would not choose him? If he didn’t create those people, they would never experience hell for all eternity

[@Chu_San]

Why did God kill innocent children/babies through the flood? And he also ordered his people (Israel) to get rid of all 7 different nations because they were wicked, but killing children’s and babies because of their parent’s sins, really.

[@Iminyourare12]

@@Chu_San he could make a universes where we all follow him but its never achievable. God created us with free will to be free creatures and not robots following what he says, but with free will we can sin, if he forces us to love him that is not love because love has to be freely given. God loves us that's why he gave us the freedom to choose from good and evil.

[@alexkodwiw2640]

The supreme master of the universe does not need to appease any powers by sacrifice or appeasement to achieve ANY OBJECTIVE same way the landlord of a house does not need the sacrifice his son before writing off your rent. When you understand the larger context of religion , it becomes clear what purpose all thes scripture serve. They are all to manipulate the masses into submission which was very necessary back then for leaders to raise armies to fight battles. By making the masses believe that God himself gave his only son away, no one would dare discourage their son to join the army to fight and to die if necessary. The same things about Abraham nearly killing his son. Most people dont have a clue what religion is about and just follow blindly. Consider this. Religion and the church was everything in society back in the days of antiquity so the one who controlled the church controlled everything in society. The British had fallen under catholic rule and as a result were controlled by romans/ Italians. their The Brits simply abolished Catholicism, massacred the catholic followers, outlawed Catholicism and revised the bible, supposedly the word of God, by reducing it from 72 books to 66. (the catholic bible still has 6 more books than your kjv). Next, they established thier own ANGLICAN CHURCH and made thier monarch the head. And pesto! Their monarch gains the full levers of control. The Italians/Romans suddenly can no longer tell them what to do and how to do it. Seen? As for the The ordinary folks like you and me, we dont have a clue of the larger purpose of religion so we keep fighting, protestants vs Catholics and northern Ireland becomes the theater for some horrific battles for centuries with both sides thinking they are fighting for one same God who is open to the idea of child killing. Which means no one will dare pull out thier sons from a senseless war since God himself would kill his only son to get a result. With religion you can control larger humanity without geographic restrictions. Today via religion, the Arabs control over 2 billion worldwide and all of whom have to learn their language, pray to God in their language and often adopt Arabic names over indigenous names all of which would be impossible without the power of religion. Consider Italy too, just a small country, but through the religion of Catholicism they control so much BEYOND BORDERS over 3 billion followers worldwide. The story of the Mormons, JW, SDAs are all modern day proof that religion was created by man to great effect. Consider lately Charles Russel, Joseph Smith. Mary Baker Eddy have all created their religion, borrowing from earlier religions to great effect and are now followed by millions ardent supporters today. Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, in just a matter of 190 years has gained so much ardent following across all countries, by claiming God appeared to him. Recently a white chap who dresses like Jesus, jetted off to Kenya, in East African. And presto! He is followed around as though he was divine. People are so easily convinced when it comes to religion. Go to Nigeria, every kilometer you find a new church owned by individuals reaping offerings. Covid 19 has exposed religion in a big way. Now churches that supposedly conduct healing services now have to check your temperature to be sure you are not sick before allowing you in for healing service? While religion may be the most divisive and manipulative thing on earth, it still remains the most effective tool for mass control. In spite of the many wars it has brought humanity its amazing the millions of people who just cannot realize religion is just a matter of mass control and has nothing to do with The True God. But of course life seems too daunting for many to not consider a partial God who is on "thier side" and fighting against others. Only the most conflicted people will take the bible serious as a moral standard. What a shame decent people even discuss such a book. This bible God actually kills more people in the conflicted bible than satan who is supposed to be the bad entity. Think to think beyond ancient folklore

[@socmedmaxxing]

The god of Old Testament is actually Yaldabaoth = Yahweh, the god of chaos.

[@zzm9134]

I am staggered by 'We need to understand this was not an arbitray ethnic cleasing'...it was in fact 'a very important event in God's rescue plan'. So ethnic cleasing is ok if it fits with Gods plan. God's plan of course is not always crystal clear and requires interpretation. By who? People. This is the sort of darkness religious belief leads you into.

[@amkaen]

The Maker alone has the right to decide what to do with His creation. How laughable, to hear sinful people try to judge the holy God.

[@Jehucurliss2kings]

@@michaelfourie345 pride goeth beFourie fall.

[@Jehucurliss2kings]

@DefinitelyNotACultist Answer not a fool to his folly lest you be like him yourself

[@ob2249]

@@Jehucurliss2kings we know mr couldn`t curliss.

[@ob2249]

@@Jehucurliss2kings he says in answer. lol irony defficient

[@jamesswigert5666]

@@Jehucurliss2kings Amen

[@geezzerboy]

The booble was written by some of the most evil men who ever lived. Wake up.

[@neilsiebenthal9254]

And inspired by the most evil "God" that people consider good because he said he's good, actions don't matter only words do.

[@geezzerboy]

@@neilsiebenthal9254 "You are, what you do."

[@michaelhurtado4400]

You never answered the question in a true balanced manner, but that reasoning/excuse will work for the weak minded.

[@Michael-xj9op]

They were not human, they were a hybrid race that God did NOT create. Read genesis 6. Fallen angels came down and took wives and had unnatural offspring... giants. Understanding Genesis 6 is crucial in understanding the entire bible.

[@capricornENTP]

Absolutely. The Canaanite nephilim descendants were enemies of God's people. God protected His people by giving them the strength and power to destroy ALL of them, including their animals.

[@edwrdmkn9723]

But weren’t they destroyed on the Noah’s ark deluge?

[@jamessmith785]

I think this question or argument only becomes a problem when we look at the taking of life from our worldly perspective. Why is killing one of the few things that when man does it is a sin but when God does it its somehow justified? It comes down to ownership. No life belongs to anyone since no man gave any life to anyone including their own. God gave all life and as such all life belongs to God. When we kill, even by suicide, we take a life that didnt belong to us and because of that we had no right to take it but God does. Also, if man kills they cannot raise it back to life again but if God so desired he can.

[@Dante-vf4sd]

Also everyone is deserving of death and will die and permanently but for the grace of God. God is perfect in justice and righteousness and there is no evil or incorrect decision in Him so everything that happens is 100% correct. To even contemplate otherwise is born of pride and 100% incorrect just like Satan was when he questioned God's sovereignty and just like Adam and Eve and all their descendants were when they did the same. Only faith and belief in the Truth, is the Way to Life, is the only correct path. God is the only and everlasting Truth, everything else is a lie.

[@jewulo]

@@Dante-vf4sd That is rather convenient isn't it? It is also rather very nihilistic. Whatever God (or a god, or any god) says is morally valid? Many a terrible thing has been done by this sort of reasoning. Moral issues can be reasoned about and concluded about by human reasoning. There is no historical evidence that religious people have ever been more morally sound or ethical in their behaviours. If we observe the historical record. We observe that we have become more moral not because of divine process but by a slow long plodding march through learning from our mistakes. It is not a smooth upward curve towards moral goodness. Rather we get better in fits and starts. There have been regressions but it seems that we are getting better despite some of the awful diktats of religious books. I hope that I have not been rude in my reply. If any brashness or rudeness is perceived I sincerely apologise.

[@eddyfye9783]

@@jewulo have we really become better? Money is concentrated in fewer hands. No justice for the millions who have hard lives because of laws which allow the greedy to exploit others. What about msm that blatantly lies? They claimed Russia interfered in the 2016 election . The3 haven't admitted their lies. What about Julian Assange in jail for publishing the truth about war crimes and pedopholia in high places. Nothing done. Epstein gets killed and his blackmail ring goes untouched. We get better by a change of heart not simply by law.

[@DaInvisibleNinja]

If i ever get godly powers over life and death i know who my first sacrifice is.

[@Dbadaing]

Oh. So you agree with ISIS.

[@apelibrian3968]

In my experience, whoever is managing this planet today is either not all powerful or lacks unconditional love...and one reason i don't take religious guys seriously is how they negotiate human lives with God's name.

[@ajacobs100]

God's love is not unconditional - and never was. God abhors the wicked. 2600 year ago the Bible prophesied the entire timeline of Israel - including their return to their homeland right up to this day. Not many things are left to still come to pass. At this point the bible reads like an almanac. My friend, from all of that I can tell you this - there is a thing called a "Tribulation period" that will last for 7 years. During that time God will remove his Spirit from the Earth. The earth will be ruled by Satan himself. If you think it is bad now or that God's not doing a very good job, just wait till that happens. Those living through the tribulation will fully understand what evil means. There is not much time until then. You don't need to believe it. When you stand in the tribulation it will not matter if you believe it or not. Throughout all the evil God has always provided a way of escape - it is up to you to either wonder about the evil around you, or grab the opportunity to escape it. In order to please God you don't need to bow to any man, pay anyone anything, or belong to anything whatsoever. You literally just have to believe and obey His Word, and it is only through obedience that he can lead you to safety in this fallen world. Outside of that there is no salvation. ps: If you never had a cold and miserable day, how can you ever fully appreciate a bright sunny day.

[@apelibrian3968]

@@ajacobs100 I agree to an extend, this world was built for responsibilities. while achieving them, we are bound to mess up and learn better means over and over again. whatever monster comes out of this is only proving to be human. Any man who is raised under the circumstances of the so called 'evil persons' is vulnerable to act the same. Responsibilities create a fine line between a sinner and a good man, poverty and wealth e.t.c. even evil desires and greed breeds responsibilities. I honestly see no point of a deity making things much worse in a world full of responsibilities with majority in poverty just so people take his worshiping more seriously...Sounds like a man's plan to me. introducing a more ruthless leader to make people understand the level of mercy that was in place, such as in what you call the 'tribulation' is something a lot of governments have achieved. Using God's name to justify such means is not something i find worth believing in because as long as it will be humans making this happen, we humans are responsible for protecting ourselves from them.

[@PONTIANGOD]

Wizard Of Oz

[@ajacobs100]

@Alex Higgings i assumed that was implied since i was talking about the Bible

[@ajacobs100]

@Mike Zielinski i think you are presuming way too much in what i said. But you probably want your say so I'll let you have it.

[@northernzeus768]

There are no words for the level of nonsense I just listened to. As my daddy used to say… denial ain’t just a River of Egypt. Word salad.

[@DutchSkeptic]

Let's expose the logical fallacies in Theodore Cabal's arguments, one by one: God is a righteous judge (Genesis 18:25) >Appeal to authority (God is just because the Bible says so, and the Bible is always right) You may not like it or understand it, but God is just. > Argumentum ad hominem (there is something wrong with you, your capacity to understand) Assuming God is unjust is assuming to know more than we know. We don't know everything. > Argument from ignorance (as long as we don't know everything, we may assume that God is just) Specific judgement on a morally degraded people: Canaanites had horrific sacrificial practices such as child sacrifice. > Two wrongs make a right fallacy (Israelites were allowed to kill Canaanite women and children because otherwise Canaanites would kill their own children) God waits until the sin of the Canaanites is full (Genesis 15) > False dichotomy (Yahweh had only two options: executing lethal judgement through human agents, or letting the Canaanites remain sinful. An omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent god could not prevent sin from happening in the first place.) The Bible says killing women and children was part of God's rescue plan. God has a mission to rescue a sinful human people [the Israelites] through sinful and fallible human agents like Abraham. > Special pleading (because Israelites were chosen by the one true god, their mass-murdering acts were okay) The Israelites would be corrupted by the Canaanites if the latter were not exterminated. > False dichotomy (the only way for the Israelites not to be corrupted by the Canaanites was having the former exterminate the latter) > Two wrongs make a right fallacy (Canaanites corrupting the Israelites gave the latter the right to exterminate the former) The Canaanites were never fully exterminated. > Two wrongs make a right fallacy (if you kill 9 people out of 10 instead of all 10, the killing of 9 people is okay) Yahweh was the one true god, so the Israelite religion had to be kept pure. > Special pleading (the Israelite religion was unique so it needed to be violently protected - even through offensive wars - against mixing) God judged his own people the Israelites harsher than anyone else, so the extermination of Canaanites was fair. > Two wrongs make a right fallacy (Putin regularly sets my house on fire, so if he instructs me to steal your car, I'm allowed to steal your car because that's not so bad by comparison) Pagan tribes also made war on the Israelites. > Tu quoque fallacy (if someone throws a brick through my window, I'm allowed to throw one back through his) Everyone is sinful according to Jesus (Luke 13), so everyone deserves punishment. > Appeal to authority (everything Jesus said is right) Joshua 2 tells that Canaanite prostitute Rahab is spared because she seeks the one true god Yahweh. > Non sequitur (seeking Yahweh doesn't erase one's sins; Cabal himself claims Yahweh punished his own people the Israelites for their sins regularly and even harsher than non-Israelites) > Appeal to authority (everything the Bible says is right) You have to seek the one true god if you want to avoid punishment. > Appeal to force / argumentum ad baculum (do what I say or I'll beat you up)

[@Deep.Purple]

@riikerman I believe you are promoting it incorrectly. Appeal to ridicule is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humorous, and therefore not worthy of serious consideration. Can you point out which ones are absurd, ridiculous or humorous?

[@michaelfourie345]

@@Deep.Purple He makes the assumption that our "modern sensitivities" have made the question of god killing women and children "that much more pertinent today" and " we feel the pain of this so much more now" That is both ridiculous and absurd.

[@Patri_Fides]

You're trying really hard to sound smarter than you actually are.

[@ob2249]

@@Deep.Purple surely all of them. when you realise they are talking about an invisible man. then the whole argument becomes childish and irrelevant. given the claims that god is real " bible says so " is the whole circular argument. this stance alone is enough to provoke ridicule because of its absurdity.

[@ronb8066]

Thumbs up, good analysis. The whole argumentation by this idiot Cabal is one great fallacy. Saddest and scariest is that so many people apparently take it seriously and support it.

[@novakandfaith123]

Simply because He's God. Tough shit. I've never had a problem with it since I was a kid. If He decides to kill me He will kill me too!

[@GreenEagle-p7z]

Bruh then why you say muslims are violent although Allah didn't say we must kill the children and women while in Bible did

[@InsanityShorts_TV]

this isnt the relationship and attitude God intended for us. You know something not right with all this.

[@nickh.44]

As someone who has had faith and lost faith throughout his life, I am impressed by this mans answer. It makes much more sense now with the given contexts. Thanks for this unique perspective! Though I'm not sure I can fully support it all.

[@ohjackdiddly281]

So basically the argument is how dare we question God being a genocidal maniac. And for those that say but they were wicked. Then why didn't God send someone to tell them to stop or since he is all-knowing figure out a way that doesn't involve murdering babies

[@SK-fp4ed]

God gave them 400 years to turn from their wickedness. So you want God to stop evil but than complain when he stops evil.

[@ohjackdiddly281]

@@SK-fp4ed love it when christians try to justify genocide

[@cunning_linguist.]

​@@SK-fp4edYahweh is also supposedly omniscient and omnipotent but in his 'righteous' authority creates people who _he_ perpetuates as actors of wickedness. Yahweh is a progenitor of wickedness.

[@SK-fp4ed]

@cunninglinguist3488 God is love therefore he gave us free will. Love is not love if it is not freely given. God gave his Son so we may have eternal life through faith not by works.

[@cunning_linguist.]

@@SK-fp4ed And Yahweh also tempted his creation anyway, presumably knowing that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit that he himself created and placed in the Garden of Eden. He doomed man to be wicked, purposely setting up a world of pitfalls where his creation is guaranteed to fail.

[@nd2350]

I think these people who raise the question on God are the ones who either themselves did abortion (child killing) or support that law. In Old testament God showed the mankind how difficult it would be for a mankind to have a man king and to be ruled by a man rather than God himself. That's why to end this he had to send his son the eternal king to fulfill the law and give mankind the eternal law of God, of love and mercy. Love God & love your neighbor

[@nd2350]

@Jubei Yang No. God of the Jews and the entire cosmos. Why bro?

[@maadtee6281]

Wait people that raises the question why god kills the women, children, men and leave the virgin girls are the ones that are for child killing and support the law lol do you actually hear yourself you are smoking good shit

[@DaInvisibleNinja]

Nice way to deflect legitmate points about God murdering kids

[@rocketeightyseven1823]

Context: Deuteronomy 7:2-3 Let's think about this. Canaanites were very wicked! They worshipped Molech. They would place their babies on this statue of Molech, which had outstretched arms and a fire was underneath the arms. The pagans had drummers play loudly so parents would not hear the screams of their babies while they burned to death! This happened for 400 years! Finally, God said, "Go and wipe them out!" Now...an atheist has a dilemma. First...they say, "Why doesn't God stop genocide?" He just did when He told Joshua to wipe them out. Now the atheist may say, "But God commanded genocide?" Are you sure He did? Read on. Now..Deuteronomy 7: "Wipe them out...is hyperbolic." We use hyperbolic phrases all the time such as football players may say, 'We destroyed them! We wiped them out! We killed them!" How is this possible? Deuteronomy 7:3-"Once you wipe them out...don't marry their women..don't allow your sons to marry their daughter or our daughter to their sons." Lastly, Matthew 15:21-28-Jesus meets a Canaanite woman! Hold up! You mean..Jesus met a Canaanite woman...whom was supposed to be killed off thousands of years earlier? Was she a zombie? The Canaanites were not all wiped out. Women and children remained. The OT is full of hyperbole and yes I know with being ordered to wipe out other people, but again...most likely it was hyperbole in nature and if King Saul killed women and children...he may have acted out of his own nature and God had him removed from power. In the end...God can allow what He chooses and if you believe the Bible...a Christian never really dies...they transform locations. We tend to see the temporal, where God sees eternal and only God can truly take lives and be just because He is the only just in all creation.

[@ayybeealternative1999]

It took him 400 years to say "hey stop burning your children?"

[@rocketeightyseven1823]

@@ayybeealternative1999 You have to remember…these people had no Bible yet. God spoke through various individuals. The people knew better, yet they committed the atrocities any ways…everyone knows murder is wrong. If God simply appeared in clouds every time someone sinned…He would be ruling as a tyrant and He doesn’t do that. How do we know the people knew it was wrong? They king is Molech would have musicians play their instruments blood so they parents wouldn’t hear. Think about what’s happening in the US right now with abortion. People know it’s wrong, but they preach it’s their choice? No…it’s a convenient murder disguised as a right and as protesters scream louder..they can’t see the medical procedure for what it is..child sacrifice to a false god called Choice.

[@rocketeightyseven1823]

The instruments would be loud…autocorrect

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Great presentation and people hate it because it reveals God's nature. God's judements may not make sense to us but they cannot be questioned because He alone is Holy. As sinners and men we don't and cannot fully understand Holiness. It's why we lash out and put down the judgments of Almighty God. But like it or not we are subject to God's will and his judgment and our belief or unbelief and obedience.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

@Richard Fox He doesn't have moral authority, He's got absolute authority. At some point you'll stand before Him and at that point you'll understand His authority and His compete Holiness. God cannot be questioned.

[@chrisyoung5929]

@@aaronwilcox6417 "God cannot be questioned." That is not what the Bible says just what the priest who wants your weekly money says. Yahweh changes his mind when challenged by people from Exodus on. Try Exodus 20:5 Yahweh makes mad hateful claims that we know he does not live up to. We have the Stats believing in Yahweh does not make any difference to health, accidents , social well being etc. Science helps but not religion.

[@juvelynrafales6996]

You are right,

[@fjennewell]

On point. Humans are full of pride that they think what they think is right and just. We shouldn't expect God to be humane because He is not human. He is our Creator who has absolute authority over His creation.

[@chrisyoung5929]

@@fjennewell " You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, " What an angry narcissistic deity you claim. This also shows the lie in the Bible We have the statistics worshipping or not makes no difference. Do you realise that your claim is the same one that the slave owners of the US south told their slaves to keep them in line. Are you that desperate to be a slave that you are inventing your own master?

[@BobPulgino]

Fictional characters are always shaped by the flaws, desires and intentions of their authors.

[@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys]

Yes Fictional is the key word~!!

[@AV036]

Archaeology and ancient history shouldn't be confused with ones own relic of a religion Bob.

[@AV036]

@@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys It is entirely logical to assume the 'atheist' and not a satanist will experience the more traumatic adjustment or realisation at death.

[@BobPulgino]

AVO I have no idea what you’re trying to say there ... I have no religion, relic or other. Step back, take a deep breath, and try again.

[@AV036]

That's bullshit Bob you had a religious enema just like i did growing up, and yet here you are trying to maintain your intellectual distance with a few passive aggressive posts. "You have no idea", but just enough pride over intellect to dismiss a historical fact because you can't separate your misconception of God from the event. Is it just ancient history or is the civil war, WW I/II, Korea, Vietnam etc. a fiction for you Bob..or, only if a Historian should imagine God to have played a role in any of those events too? Whoah up there, I don't give a toss about your soulless superstitions Bob, but for anyone to agree with you and refute history based on your rational is attempting a fools folly. That's disturbing.

[@25258721]

Very helpful answer to an age old question. Well done!

[@keisi1574]

Terry Dickens Would you kill children of God commanded you to? Or would you disobey God?

[@victorruiz7359]

if you beat your slave and on the third day he walks it shall not be considered a sin. is what the god of health has said. although the god of abram knew that beating a person that bad can kill. but the ignorant ppl writting the text did not know you can get an aneurism and die up to week later. some people in jail die from various organ failures from daily beatings .. . and guess what they still walk every single day. but accordidng to law you can beat him and beat him . what wouldve happened to abrams first wife is she refused to allow Abram to copulate with her? death? daily beatings untill she "eventually" died? that man answered nothing important

[@mashah1085]

Apologists try to claim that the Amalekite children were "evil, same as the adults". Okay, how exactly is a 2 year old "evil"? Or a year old...or a 6 month old? Love the "pro-lifers" to explain that.

[@alguno1010101]

God was jealous that they were sacrificing children to other gods, so he demanded all their children to be sacrificed to them

[@watchman895]

Nephilim is a key to solve all the bible questions. My answer is that the canaanite people are not pure humanraces. They are contamminated by the blood of angels. Nephilim seen in the canaanite is evidence. Gen6 says people become flesh. It means they have only flesh without soul. It means they like beasts. Even children.

[@mashah1085]

@@watchman895 Much easier than admitting the Israelites were just engaging in genocide and then claiming "God said it was okay", right?

[@watchman895]

@@mashah1085 right. It is a kind of genocide - killing zombies. And if Israel had not killed that zombies Jesus christ couldn't come to this zombi world. Then the earth belongs to satan and his corrupted angels.

[@mashah1085]

@@watchman895 Curious as to whether you are being sarcastic or insane?

[@ClappertonKaonga]

Thanks for taking the time to explain this ❤

[@davidmalek7264]

I can't believe an adult is actually making an excuse to justify GENOCIDE & Infanticide! Crazy.

[@rapturebound197]

where do you stand on abortion?

[@maadtee6281]

You have to understand god works in mysterious ways just like the holocaust

[@maadtee6281]

@Pepe BiglyQ'd17Times true that he works in mysterious ways

[@donniebrasco7243]

Yup, the true horror of religion.

[@EdricoftheWeald]

This is what happens when you decide that mere men can have the authority of God.

[@johnhorse1835]

Exactly. My god and My god alone can make that decision. But not yours. Wait you pray to the same god?...No you don't not the right way so you don't count.

[@robertoriginales2355]

9 minutes of avoiding the question

[@choosegoodoverevil8380]

1:50 It’s almost like you didn’t even watch the video

[@thelightknight7245]

He did answer it. He jus didn't give the answer you were seeking. He's a righteous God, God can see past the future where you can't. You don't know what kind of people these children would have become. His judgement is righteous. Your not God

[@johnrep808]

Go with an open heart

[@sage9338]

@@thelightknight7245 then why make them in the first place? There would be no need to murder babies who may or may not have grown up to be horrible people if they were never created in the first place. But you don’t care tho lol

[@thelightknight7245]

@@sage9338 please don't insult or attack my character You know nothing about. If you have a question or a statement, just make it without the insults about people not caring. That would further prove you are allowing the devil to use you. If you have sex, there's a great chance your partner can get pregnant. God is not stopping people from making choices. But he is God, he does all things well. I don't have the answer to every thing he does. But who are we to question the All Knowing. Those people were sacrificing their own children before the command. Know what your talking about and pray before speaking. Bless you

[@fadeitluie9356]

God is the giver and taker of all life not just the ones in the Old Testament. God took their sinful nature and replaced it with everlasting life 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 5:52 is the Answer. God is just

[@tsheartkm]

Ahh, so God waited 400 years to deal with the evil of the Canaanites and their practice of child sacrifice. He asked Abraham to practice the same form of sacrifice on his son as a sick test and Abraham was more than happy to comply. His "righteousness" required His own son to die, (well, for a weekend) to be able to forgive humanity. "I AM THAT I AM, am a sick prick. Can we expect His "righteous judgement" on Germany in 2340 for the deaths of seven million Jews?

[@MusicalRaichu]

The account is terse and does not assess whether it was right or wrong for Abraham to comply. If Abraham was willing to challenge God for destroying entire cities, why did he not challenge God about his own kid? As for the Canaanites, in the video he points out that they were still around. There is no archaeological evidence that any genoside actually occurred, but rather that the Israelites were largely Canaanites that gradually separated and forged their own identity. Some say the call to gensoide was nothing more than rhetoric, similar to what is found in secular writings of the era, to point out that their idolatrous practices were evil and worthy of death.

[@drdisrespect5318]

Basically - God asked him to do the worst thing imaginable. Abraham knew that he could completely trust Jehovah God. When God was satisfied with the totality of Abraham's conviction He provided Abraham with an alternate sacrifice. It's like a super-extreme version of a trust fall. You do something dangerous - Fall backwards in an uncontrolled fashion, And you just have to trust that someone will catch you. Abraham wasn't crazy, he had the experience God's protections and this gives him courage. Has nothing to do with God is a psycho ego maniac.

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@drdisrespect5318 In the new testament, Abraham is commended for that kind of faith. However, opinion is divided on whether blind faith in obeying a command that was obviously and blatantly immoral was a good thing or a bad thing. The story leaves the question unresolved.

[@drdisrespect5318]

@@MusicalRaichu In Abrahams time, child sacrifice was normal, and many people were also probably sun worshippers due to the Egyptian influence. either way, people didn't know what pleased God. Do you sacrifice one bull, two bulls, whip yourself 20 times, 100 times, or kept sacrificing or self mutilating until you got the rain your crop desperately needed. And yet Abraham came down the mountain a heretic, with his son alive, and moved society from human to animal sacrifice. a huge step forward.

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@drdisrespect5318 For sure. I'm saying there are (at least) two schools of thought.

[@keithbentley6364]

Perhaps no god was involved in the genocide, only people offering a god as an excuse.

[@richarddesbiens796]

perhaps Israel was dealing with the Devil rather than God

[@bricemakes1180]

Is God justified in killing nations? Yes, here is why. God gave reasons before the wars. He isn’t arbitrary. The OT scriptures are descriptive and not prescriptive for us today pertaining for God’s purpose for his people Israel when it came to certain commands. The moral laws are the only prescriptive laws in the Old Testament that are to be followed since they are also repeated in the New Testament. Historical events, stories, parables, visions, dreams and descriptions can be used as examples, but not relevant for moral prescriptions at any point time. “God commanded these wars for the specific purpose of punishment and judgment, that the time had come for God to punish specific peoples for all of their atrocious acts and abominations.” - Sam Shamoun These people were not innocent. God also judge Israel as well and punish them for sinning often. God gave these nations chances to repent and time. Example in Genesis 15:12-16. God was telling Abraham basically it wasn’t time to take the Amorites, down because they haven’t reached a full measure of their sins. Read about what the canaanites were doing to their own children and then tell God you shouldn’t have stopped this. Trust me you won’t. When God stops evil people complain and they complain when he doesn’t. Other examples of things like destruction of sodom and Gomorrah. God did that by himself with no people involved with fire and brimstone surfer balls. There is evidence on this historical event by the way you can do research on it. One last thing mentioned in Deuteronomy 7:1-4. This is hyperbolic language where it is saying they will destroy the mentioned nations in verse one to the point of no one being left alive and then in verse 3 and then telling Israel not to enter into marriage within and so on. Wait a minute I thought they were destroyed? No. We use language like this today. The point was to primarily to destroy the nation, God’s Judgment for their disobedience by sinning. Obviously not everyone was killed, but was designed for the promise people to eventually get the promised King Jesus Christ for all people.

[@DiablosPolitics]

No he's not. If god was real and morality came from him I would expect him to act and follow the same rules as us. One of the ten commandments speaks against murder. Any war would violate that principle. If he was as powerful as they say he would simply stop people without resorting to murder. I could care less about how bad a person is they shouldn't be killed.

[@bricemakes1180]

@@DiablosPolitics God is real for one. It is spelled “God.” 1. God is good. He didn’t create. It’s apart of his nature. He can’t deviate from it. 2. It isn’t murder for him because he is God and he gave you life and everyone’s life. He has the right to take life, because he gave it in the first place. The laws are for us because we don’t listen. The 10 commandments are written on our heart with them having to be written out. 3. God can stop evil events from happening and he has or he let’s the evil event take place to ripple forward to allow good to happen from it later in the future. There’s plenty of examples out there. A biblical example of this is Jacob being souls into slavery by his brothers which was a evil action. Good came out of that later when he got older in Egypt and rose to a position of power and a famine came. His family came to Egypt to escape the famine. He knew God brought good out of it and saved them from the famine anyway. 4. If God where to stop all the evil in the world he might start with you or me. He would have to talk us all out because we all have done evil or are still continuing to do evil. 5. Jesus Christ gave us a chance to be saved from ourselves and dies for our sins so we would not be punished for our evil actions. All we have to do is repent (turn away from a our sins) and our our trust (faith) in him for what he did for us. Similar to how you have in every day things or situations.

[@MrJoshcc600]

Jesus was a con man who took over a very strict religious society that was very militant just like every other region in the region. His intention was amazing but he wasn't anything other then that. He may have saved billions of lives worldwide since then with his bold teachings but he wasn't supernatural. Without Jesus Judaism would be dominate and be exactly as warlike as the old testament and today's Mohammad followers. "Cleans" all sinners and non believers

[@mgerard365]

@@DiablosPolitics The god that these people worship is a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of deity. The fact that they will justify these atrocities says as much about them as it does their god.

[@subbu2185]

To please believers he does anything, what a love towards believers

[@SurferKroky]

He literally created us , gave us this incredibly beautiful earth and all the animals and food for us to enjoy and all he ever asked was for us to love him and do as he asks. Praise the Lord

[@subbu2185]

@@SurferKroky animals as food for you, so you can cull them and enjoy their pain before having then for supper, in expectation of love from you. Yep, exactly like what I told, anything for a bilee.

[@SurferKroky]

@@subbu2185 I am vegetarian

[@subbu2185]

@@SurferKroky may be , he even created animals to till lands instead of looking after their family, while taking your beating from hunter, give milk to u instead of their kids, and take harmones steroids to give u more milk, what a give, for just belief