Desperate Patient Wants to Freeze His Brain | Chicago Med

Dr. Choi and Dr. Charles have difficult decisions to make as a dying man tries to preserve his future life with a controversial scientific method.
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Season 05, Episode 03, In The Valley of Shadows
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[@ragab79]

the patient: explains his condition and what he’s gonna do dr. choi: 😀

[@harmonilui1238]

Hmm umm he’s not happy what he’s gonna do

[@Lyrvii]

@@harmonilui1238 it’s called sarcasm

[@mysticmarble94]

Dr.Choi : " No, no, no 👎👎👎 "

[@YesIlikebananasSo]

More like 😀->🙂->😕->😧->😨

[@SKY-mm7ru]

@@YesIlikebananasSo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 spot on

[@TomatoDogMusic]

If you are curious how it ended. They honored his wishes and let him pass away.

[@OfficialPooYT]

Thanks :)

[@AllyBubblesSpriggs]

I wonder if it will work out... if it was real.

[@peacewhen]

@@AllyBubblesSpriggs it is a TV show, not real.

[@theshadowclient9742]

@@peacewhen I guess the chicago team have an interview that they were only using cases that has occurred beforehand

[@deathlt9623]

@@peacewhen they base the episodes off of real cases but it’s not identical. Example the one with the twins who thought they were the same person, instead of them wanting a ovary removed they wanted the same root canal procedure and tried to trick the doctors into doing that like they did with the ovary removal

[@chi-hard981]

Dr Choi and Dr Charles make such a great team

[@Djcool414]

I agree

[@Barbiannaaa]

Agreed

[@tamilanz]

@@Barbiannaaa uhh r u rely jsus??????

[@oberon0275]

Yeah! Dr Choi thinks a bipolar Woman can control her condición and if she cant its BC she doesnt try hard enough and Charles has someone comitted base on his life

[@eceozuduru5148]

I think it was the wrong call. The kid sounded very rational and he was willing to risk just a year left of his life (that would most probably go by and end in excruciating pain) in hopes of saving himself for the better. The parents would’ve said anything to a shrink to justify his resuscitation. They were being coercive.

[@graememacleod4651]

Indeed. It was very clear in the dad's facial expressions that he suddenly figured out what Dr. Charles was trying to do and said the exact right words to accomplish that. That moment and decision by Dr. Charles has a strong argument for malpractice. I understand the desire to help the kid not commit suicide (cryonics is pseudo science at best, exploitative scamming at worst) but that is not a legal nor ethical way to do so.

[@eceozuduru5148]

@@graememacleod4651 The weird part is that Dr. Charles is actually very meticulous in his practice and would never get manipulated like that. I guess he was just looking for an excuse to save the kid. He probably knew what they were trying to pull off.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

In fact the mother was saying otherwise and the father got what the dr was doing. I believe Dr Charles was pushing the ethics to say the least. On the other hand the company maybe a fraud, the results of experiments with rodents are inconclusive.

[@Misty_ktl]

Yeah, plus they took a while to answer and the way the dad said 'of course' was just really suspicious.

[@mikbdee2186]

Probably. But he had the kids parents begging for them to do something. Which they knew they could. Easily. Emotional decision but I'd want my medical professionals to have at least some empathy. No real good answer here.

[@MrAntiKnowledge]

Even if it was suicide, the doctors were wrong to stop him. He decided to take his chances and had a clear mind about it. Reminds me of that episode...I think it was in The Good Doctor, where an old woman who wanted to go on her own terms got resuscitated: "You didnt save my life, you ruined my death!"

[@hasturthekinginyellow5003]

Those parents killed their son, and theres a 50% percent chance that they are gonna tortured him for a year before finally killing him. Because he either dies in surgery , or survivesand is condem to a year of excrutiating pain, general weakness, chronic fatigue, debilitating cluster migraines, constant nausea, besides other know side effects of aggresive radiation treatment, and that without taking account the more than sure brain damage caused by the surgery.

[@lilfizzypoplollipopzvonecek14]

Ik The Good Doctor but which ep. and s. is it?

[@CommanderM117]

their is also the legality of it all, some states allow Medical suicide some don't it may well be Legal from what I looked up just a moment ago. tho freezing has bean proven to kill you, and their no cure for death Yet?.

[@alexanderfriton3713]

@@lilfizzypoplollipopzvonecek14 It's not from the good doctor it's from the incredibles when he saves that suicidal guy.

[@lilfizzypoplollipopzvonecek14]

@@alexanderfriton3713 Oh ok

[@Kami-mq8sl]

Wrong call. At that moment the parents would have said ANYTHING to save their son, anything. At that moment their testimony became unethical to follow because it was said under duress. I hope the kid got his wish, no matter how off-putting it might have been.

[@kennethhwang3425]

It's an unwise call, but an understandable one. Medicine practice and Healthcare in general is empirical in nature, meaning it's evidence-based and favors results from trial and error. Where it concerns patient care and human life is on the line, a physician cannot and in most cases, will not entertain purely theoretical solutions, and cryonics as it is now is exactly that. For most physicians, if not supported by powerful and compelling evidences, futuristic technologies are as valid as Back To The Future, that's to say, feel-good fictions.

[@hushdolll5112]

Agreed, but it’s a drama ofc

[@supervegito2277]

Its in the episode, but he did. Doesnt even regain consciousness

[@bananacathammock]

Yes his mother doesn't even notice if his personality "changed".

[@Jacuzziuzi]

I would've absolutely sued tf outta this hospital, my parents couldve lied about my personality change and it seems like Charles gave them the idea to say yes, whats the point of a DNR and DNI if they gonna trump it over bullshit

[@code0Star]

Ah well in Dr Charles defence he let his emotions get in the way due to his wife at the time having cancer and her arm being broken, she wanted suegery. Anyway usually he's more logical then this.

[@princessfarah2717]

They did eventually let him die

[@masakazuhiruko550]

Cant the hospital sue him back by trying to commit fraud and putting the doctors in line? I mean the guy just fking tried to suicide in a hospital. He stupid af.

[@ottokarl5427]

The irony is: With only one year to live, he wouldn't see any money from it. And if not otherwise specified, the very parents who have lied about this would get the money

[@sakaya9878]

This feels wrong. They should have respected the kids wishes. He was ready to go.

[@darthnowlan]

Later in the episode they did respect his wishes.

[@Bergen98]

One of the first postulates of medical ethics is "respect for autonomy". This one is extremely important one - if the patient UNDERSTANDS and REALIZES what he does, and he has signed off on his treatment - his wish must be followed

[@xoxH3L3Nxox]

The thing to bear in mind with terminal illness is that though doctors give a time frame it's not definite and you're not going to be 100% until the end. You might have 50% of that time with a good quality of life but the illness will start to take a toll and you will deteriorate. I can't imagine feeling yourself slowly slip away like that. I can't blame the patient for wanting to avoid that. Even if cryogenics never take off it's better to go that way than let the illness win.

[@carenxatu5962]

I can speak from experience that this is true. I thought I was gonna have a few more years left with my dad… instead I only had months…

[@xoxH3L3Nxox]

@@carenxatu5962 I'm sorry you had to go through that 😔 It's hard going to the end but even more so when the end is sooner than expected.

[@bottle3124]

Yeah but he has like only half a year with GBM

[@uzesamaX]

I see a lawyer with $$$ on his eyes if this kid survives. Very wrong choice there on Choi and Charles. It's not their call

[@AlphaOmega804]

I recall a real world case like this. A young girl was dying and wanted to freeze herself in the hopes of a cure in the future. Her father didn't want it to happen and it actual went to a legal court. I can see both sides of the argument. On the daughter's side, she has not had a chance for a full life and freezing will potentially give her that chance, however small it happens to be. On the father's side he probably wants to be able to mourn his daughter and somehow move on with his life and that of his remaining family. If she is frozen, it is possible they will never be able to properly say goodbye. I tend to side with the daughter and this kid but it is a hard situation.

[@P1kaChuuuuuuu]

Who won the case?

[@AlphaOmega804]

@@P1kaChuuuuuuu Not sure.

[@brontewcat]

This is assuming anyone in the future will want to wake up a whole lot of people from the past with ethical ideas and values that do not fit and bring them into their society. Think about it. All societies have limited resources. If we could bring back 100s or 1000s of Vikings into our modern era, would we do it?

[@AlphaOmega804]

@@brontewcat Still a chance. No matter how small it is better then certain death to some people.

[@wisemonkey9858]

Hell who wouldn’t want to be frozen when faced with death

[@user-zo8ec5iw8t]

Me, id like to spend my last year with my family rather than have a slim chance to live just to be alone afterwards.

[@code0Star]

@@user-zo8ec5iw8t He didn't have a year though he had weeks to live. And if he had the surgery that would give him more time, he could have still died on the table.

[@user-zo8ec5iw8t]

@@code0Star What surgery? Where was that mentioned? He was diagnosed in the early stages of GBM, his life expectancy is 12-18 months with an ongoing chemo plan. He had a year.

[@code0Star]

@@user-zo8ec5iw8t 1:45 is a surgical procedure. Before this patient could get chemo therapy the tumor had to be reduced which is a surgical procedure. Therefore he could have died in the operating room.

[@user-zo8ec5iw8t]

@@code0Star Is a tumor resection, its survival rate is stupidly high. To me its worth the risk to spend my year with my family

he was clear, clearly not irrational.. he was betting 1 year to potentially gain 70. 1:70 bet sounds like a good bet to me. ppl throw money at casinos for 1:0.X bets. i'd sue those doctors fo shizzle

[@moniqueavey]

This is one of the craziest things I’ve seen from this show, by far.

[@BeastTheMadness]

It's such an egoistic thought to have about anyone. Notice how parents said "we are not ready to let him go yet". But he's ready to go away while fully conscious on his own terms and not in excruciating pain.

[@caramellpanda]

They're saying he has a year left as if he's going to be completely healthy for that entire year. He won't be. He'll be put on chemo, different cocktails of medicine and will be unwell and in excruciating pain. That isn't living, that is trying to survive. This was the wrong call and completely disrespectful of this man's wishes. Deeming someone incapable of making their own decisions, when they are fully capable, just so you can keep them alive is fucked up.

[@marikamoreau8828]

Unacceptable. I work in health care and this should be illegal. The doctors should go to jail

[@akawalus9176]

Who els has never watched an episode of this and just watches these clips

[@gh0stt957]

haha me, even though its on netflix

[@josephhicks6445]

Patient rights are the foundation of medical ethics. If a patient is able to make a choice no matter how medically unsound that choice may be you honor it. Anyone who can't accept that has no place in the medical community.

[@mariaportnoy2019]

Yeas! Thank you!

[@valest9290]

Commiting suicide means he is incappable of making his own choices.

[@Mousy677]

i do have issues with cryonics, because it does prey on people who are desperate and their families, but he still should have been allowed to do what he likes. it's ultimately his choice, and, in his case, it's basically just bringing forward something inevitable. one of my grandmother's was an incredibly independent (and, thankfully, physically healthy) woman who hated to have any choice in her actions or treatment dictated for her; she was absolutely furious when a doctor took her appendix out without telling her that this was what was going to happen during another surgery. i would be furious if i was in shep's position and basically the only choice that i had -- in this case the choice of when and how i died -- was taken away from me like that.

[@nicktroisi6347]

This is why Dr. Choi is my favorite, his reasoning and desire to save lives and in this case even if he can't

[@FantasyNr1]

I got recommended this show soooo much today. Okay, Fine! I will watch this show!

[@BeamsDad]

Dr CHOI IS ACTUALLY IN TOKYO DRIFT FIRST PART LOL 😂 🤣🤣🤣

[@rogueninja4719]

And Austin Powers!

[@code0Star]

God i hate Dr Choi and Dr Halstead. They both think that any patient that doesn't want treatment (especially a treatment that they suggest) needs a psych evaluation.

[@astpg]

Do u need a psych evaluation?

[@kennethhwang3425]

I think there are protocols to these kinds of situations. It'd be one thing if this guy forfeits his life, it's a whole other thing subjecting to something so experimental and uncertain. It's an unwise call, but an understandable one. Medicine practice and Healthcare in general is empirical in nature, meaning it's evidence-based and favors results from trial and error. Where it concerns patient care and human life is on the line, a physician cannot and in most cases, will not entertain purely theoretical solutions, and cryonics as it is now is exactly that. For most physicians, if not supported by powerful and compelling evidences, futuristic technologies are as valid as Back To The Future, that's to say, feel-good fictions.

[@fragileomniscience7647]

What? They are playing typical doctors. That's how they operate.

[@ye_mikael]

well im the opposite

[@maazrocks6331]

It's soo good watching this series of Med ... Love from India

[@thevideo-beast122]

Playing devil's advocate: While the patient has his right and the hospital did sidestep them, the kid's plan wasn't foolproof. Remember, he wasn't trying to commit suicide. He was trying to have a company freeze and hope that they found a cure for him in the future. And remember what the neurologist said at (2:05); that while they can freeze the brain, science hadn't yet developed a safe method to thaw and not damage the brain. I am also assuming that there haven't been similar cases like this in the past and have no formal precedent that they should adhere to (aside from following the patient's wishes that I won't argue against). Also, wasn't the kid asking the hospital to lie for him and commit some sort of fraud. Yes, if the plan had gone through and his body was in a state to declare him deceased, they'd been doing that with the knowledge that he will recover later. And I think if something like that was ever to be made public, we will get people who will try the same method for more unscrupulous reasons. "Got a pile of debt that you can't pay back? Get a hospital to declare you dead and hide in a freezer for a year so your debts would be wiped away."

[@agustin3622]

I don't think someone in enough debt to risk their life to escape it can afford to get frozen though, unless we're talking about the extremely wealthy who already have their own ways to fraud anyways. And if we're talking about a future where cryonics are common place, there would be laws made to address issues like that. Not saying it won't be used for wrong, people will find ways to corrupt it, but that's a given of anything in existence not just cryonics At the time its just a very gray area, only time will tell

[@lauradvjhvkjhvhgcg569]

I'm sad. My sister died in 2011 for this brain cancer.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

I'm sorry for your loss

[@nozyspy4967]

Whats the point trying to keep someone alive for an extra year, when they will not have any memories of that year once dead, because you know, they have ceased to exist. Freezing your brain doesnt seem like such a bad idea, at least part of you will exist indefinitely.

[@ianat741]

that makes me shocked can you do more of these to the people

[@annaalestra4263]

When choi just come in and polite wait him to finish 😅

[@stitchloveet]

I love there videos I watch them lot I just love them

[@nurikodb3915]

Yeah, I'd sue them for all they've got...

[@tokyobateman6610]

Only medical professionals are allowed to “prescribe” assisted suicide and it’s not easy to get. If the patient were to do it themselves then the hospital is right to put him on a involuntary psychiatric hold, he is a danger to himself. This is of course not taking morals into account, which in the hospital if it impedes on the law then your not allowed to change the plan.

[@julanacarlamendes7546]

My gosh. this patient are very crazy. This doctors have that be strong to work.

[@sh0tl0l]

if only real doctors where so determined to save lives

[@raine6813]

so all a patients parents needs to say is that their son hasnt been himself lately, without any proof whatsoever, and suddenly that gives them complete control of their medical decisions?

[@THATGIRLALIII]

Dr Choi is just standing there like 😑

[@trizzachiu3703]

Dammit JD what did you do this time?!

[@liannwong1797]

im sorry but the first thing that came to mind was FREEEZE YOUR BRAINNNNNN from Heathers the musical, just wondering if anyone had the same thought lmao - chicago med is great btw

[@itsmissross]

I'm such a theatre nerd I caught onto this so fast.

[@Bananasplitsssz]

My first thought when I saw the title was ‘He should eat some ice cream’

[@franktherabbit42]

What a surprise, Going against the patients wishes.

[@Weiser_Gaming]

This patient has watched and maybe a fan of Futurama 😂😂 he wants to be like Fry!😂😂

[@Azulakayes]

I miss Dr. Choi.

[@pagethreemodel]

I miss him too.

[@p4nzer792]

chicago med try not to get sued challenge : impossible

[@flauscheballchen2855]

I always struggle with the thought if someone clearly willing wants to die who am i to say otherwise but at the same time i want to say otherwise :'3 its is a moral dilemma in my minde.

[@zacharytaylor190]

The way I see it, the parents knew that by making their son out to be incapable of making an informed decision prior to the decision being made, they are saving their sons life. They have an vested interest in determining their son as incapable.

[@aquaholland]

Is it that easy to determine if someone is sane or not? Dr. Charles himself admitted that the guy was sane and later draw a new conclusion after asking the parents several questions? It's a drama I get it but it's annoying still.

[@sibulelentsonkota7948]

Never have I seen so much unethical behavior in a show. Ignoring DNI and DNRs like it's a stone in the way.

[@billijomaynard8924]

I think some laws in the United States are very hard to get the mind around. Even though at 18 he is technically an adult and has more rights over his autonomy than someone who is younger would have, there is a legal grey area where he is not. Legal age in the U.S is 21, not 18. As a Canadian who lives within 100 miles of the Canadian/U.S. boarder. this is something that i'm well aware of as are most Canadians. Bars where i live are routinely full of 19 and 20 year old Americans who travel here just to drink because it is illegal for them to do so in the U.S. Even though he is old enough to have bodily autonomy to make his own medical choices, he is still a minor under U.S law and his parents have final say in his care if he is unresponsive, even if it is against his wishes in a situation that is life threatening and it is reasonable to do so which in this case it was, unless the person or doctors have obtained a court order to prevent the parents from interfering.

[@nashwagemakers]

this was ao fucked up. but it made me realise i need to make a will

[@DanDCool]

Not him just asking the parentw something they would always lie about and then this

[@Beth20043]

I support Cryonics if the patient wants it. In this case, he should have waited the full year and then a few days before he was gonna die, been allowed to be frozen. However, I noticed it is literally called "CRY ON ics" I know it does not literally mean that, but there is a high likely hood that it would lead to a lot of crying, struggles and heartache for patients if they survived being unfrozen. But still, if it is what they want, why should they be refused?

[@zachariahsmith1324]

Allowing your brain to be destroyed by a cancer before being frozen is stupid. Chances of fixing something incurable in earlier stages is better

[@code0Star]

If he had the surgery, he could have still died on the table. The was no guarantee of him having a year.

[@zilesis1]

i suppose if he genuinely believed that a future hospital would be able to cure him, then he probably though freezing himself early, before the disease weakens his body would help him recover faster in the future

[@eugenewang4650]

idea behind cryonics is that you 'pause' your body from further deterioration. if he waited a year then the GBM wouldve destroyed his brain until there was more personality left and at that point youre preserving a vegetable with no personhood. absolutely the right call to freeze himself now while hes still all there.

[@ssansu]

He had a brain tumor. After a year of the tumor growing there wouldn't be much left of his brain.

[@asherunderground7951]

JD has entered the chat

[@winnieandlilo6825]

I thought the hippocratic oath said do no harm, doesn’t that mean not letting someone kill themselves

[@saysomethingaldcsbiggestfa792]

Patients can legally refuse treatment (unless they are deemed not mentally capable to make informed decisions) and doctors have to honour the patients wishes.

[@alejandro-hc6ms]

couldnt all this problem be resolved with, "the drug he just used to kill himself has 200g of amphetamine, of course he is not able to make rational choises if he's drugged"

[@potato8032]

I can smell the heathers fans approaching

[@Daveliuhk]

this is very unethical; the kid understand and can weight up his decision rationally. He has a very good insight for his condition and understand the risk of not being able to be brought back to life. Plus during his remainig time, he will be living in agony knowing that he will be dying without any hope. IMO he has capacity to make the call, the medical team just inserting their value into him.

[@lilfizzypoplollipopzvonecek14]

I feel bad 😭

[@gabitex]

The Patient: **Explains his plan to survive a terminal brain cancer** Dr. Choi: What the hell do you think this is? A TV show like Game of Thrones? What, you wan't to be like Jorah Mormont the Simp?

[@louisemarsden2527]

God complex, the parents says they only have a yr left with him what about how he will suffer the full yr hope they are ready for that selfish

[@ivisyung3088]

At the current rate of pollution and the melting of the polar ice cap, with the depletion of our ozone layer, I doubt earth will last for years to come

[@becky2235]

Shame I hope with all due respect I hope you're wrong

[@ccink3931]

It's annoying when these Dr's in this show decide they are going to put there own input & decide what someone should & shouldn't be allowed to do with there own bodies

[@samrussell9264]

Business Built on Taking Money From Patients... Objects to.... Business Built on Taking Money From Patients...

[@Lellamellow]

That was so wrong and violating this guy on so many levels. He was clear in his head. His father lied. I hate how these people keep trampling over people's dnrs. It's their life not yours. Their wish is what matters. It doesent matter if the parents are ready. He is clearly ready. No one should get to violate his rights like that.

[@BrittKGM]

What’s the point of a DNR if the next of kin can override that once the patient is unconscious??

[@alaakela]

The guy was 18, had dnr, had living will. All paperwork. He was rrady to die. His parents were not ready. So they distegard his wishes, force him to love through something he does not want. WHEN WILL DOCTORS RESPECT THE PATIENT'S WISHES?!?!?!?!!!!

[@bananacathammock]

WTF his mother doesn't even notice if his personality changed

[@lctamoya]

Am here needing amitriptyline

[@andreaalvares8509]

Buenas pueden colocar traductor 😓

[@arielg7000]

WTH MAN NOT COOL

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

That kid's Apollo moon landing comparison is a ridiculous oversimplication. Sure, there were losses and setbacks (some fatal) in the Apollo program, and the sixties technology that sent us to the Moon is primitive by today's standards, but the tech NASA used was still remarkable, and NASA used droves of rigorous calculations to plot the journeys. There is a famous 1969 photo of Margaret Hamilton, lead software engineer for the Apollo program, standing beside a stack of binders full of code she and her team wrote - the stack is taller than her.

[@JP-dl8uy]

Complete morally wrong

[@sahassrivastava1356]

Does anyone know what happened to the guy after? Is he alive or did he end up dying?

[@britishpa9578]

Dead

[@memecraft835]

Yeah he dies

[@flingleblingle7022]

T was terminal cancer so he will die regardless

[@Beth20043]

@@memecraft835 So he wasn't allowed to be frozen?

[@wytsewilhelm7315]

@@Beth20043 He would've been allowed to be frozen after naturally dying from the cancer, but he might have chosen not to because by that point the brain damage would already have been much more severe (likely his reason for wanting to be frozen before that point).

[@dm5791]

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DECIDE IF SOMEONE LIVES OR DIES BUT THE PERSON ITSELF OR GOD

[@Altirix]

what episode?

[@Petals44_]

Comment section is interesting. Only few years ago, saving a suicidal person’s life was heroic,… now it’s the complete opposite. 2024 is seeing a person trying to jump off a bridge and walking right on by, in the name of respecting wishes. 2024 is watching someone saw off their hand and applauding that they’re exercising autonomy. 2024 is attending the wedding of your best friend whose spouse-to-be is a tree and being teary-eyed during the exchange of vows. Strange world,…

[@DiamondAviator4]

Can’t declare anything cause I’m no shrink, but I believe he’s rational, however, I don’t believe the timing was right.

[@samuelturner6076]

Dang this is sad to see. Drs Charles and Choi seem to be the good ones from the clips I’ve seen, but what they did here was wrong. Although it’s a difficult situation that young mans wishes should’ve been respected. He had two options wait for an inevitable end that would get worse over time, or give up what good days he had left for the chance of a future without suffering. I can understand his choice and from what I’ve seen I support it.

[@mikemike-bx1te]

All I see is DK san

[@Irunwithscissors63]

I loathe Dr Choi. His arrogance is through the roof.

[@DanDCool]

This is bs since when dont they preserve people?

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

What?

[@Jackson_DGaming]

After watching the video. It's not a great idea to make this decision. Depends on yourself if you want to stay in this future, you have to listen to the doctors. If not, they might not help you. For me, I don't want to cause any trouble for myself. Even if I had a bad injury or anything like that, it's not a great idea to cause issues around here because I still have a lot of things have to do. For you, what do you think about killing yourself? It's not a great idea to do so. Even though, you have your own ambition that you wanted to be. You still have to stay in this future.

[@skatergirl256]

What would happen if I took 50 paracetamol ? (I’m suicidal)

[@_eIIa_]

if you want an honest answer, and are asking with the hope of taking your own life, any amount of overdose will not instantly kill you. it will be an incredibly excruciating, long process and you'll likely be rushed to the hospital where they will try to save you anyway. i can almost guarantee that you will regret it when you are dying. this is not advice, this is something i am telling you. do not kill yourself. i struggle with being suicidal and self-harm as well. you're not alone, and you never will be. you are young, and things will get better. just be patient, and try to talk to someone who can help you. stay safe, and take care of yourself.

[@storytimebook8225]

Nothing actually, except for pain

[@Teresa-gg4hq]

Seek help please

[@jaxenaz]

You’ll be in a lot of pain. L

[@jell7907]

He could’ve waited a year.

[@trevorbluesquirrel899]

''They're saying he has a year left as if he's going to be completely healthy for that entire year. He won't be. He'll be put on chemo, different cocktails of medicine and will be unwell and in excruciating pain. That isn't living, that is trying to survive.''

[@lukevidal2986]

Is he nuts

[@zieuc964]

I don’t understand why Dr.Choi didn’t pump his stomach anyways. If someone is trying to kill themselves it doesn’t matter if they consent to treatment or not, or if they’re an adult or not. A doctor has to stop them. Like it’s been said, if a doctor thinks you’re going to hurt yourself or end your life, they can hold and treat you for up to 72 hours without your consent. It’s the law. I do believe that the kid understood what he was doing, but I don’t believe he fully understood the consequences. He most likely was fully there in his mind. He was going to die soon and he knew that very well. A lot of people can’t handle that information and tend to lack reasonable thoughts.

[@kdphotos4691]

No, he had a DNI and DNR which are legally binding. A doctor cannot force a patient to stay alive if they have DNR and/or DNI. It wasn't a case of him wanting to die. He wanted to live to be frozen so he could be revived after a cure was found for his condition. Not the same as trying to commit suicide.

[@KAFaye-nk5tl]

tell me you didn’t watch the whole video and listen properly without telling me that.

[@zieuc964]

@@KAFaye-nk5tl I’ve seen the entire show a million times, yes I watched the video

[@lillythomas3451]

Bn

[@quintessawolfprincess3618]

Patient: You're here to determine whether I'm sane enough to make a decision like this, aren't you? Dr. Charles: Yeah. Well, that was harsh.

[@Jen-qy4ol]

It's the ppl who rationally think what the patient is doing is okay🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ He's clearly in the bargaining stage of grief.

[@franjegrosskopf2158]

Yeah so it's okay to force him to suffer through terminal brain cancer for like maybe more than a year's extra time? He's 18, he legally had the right to make his own choice. That year might feel long but it sure as hell won't be a good one. They didn't save his life. They doomed him to suffer. I would say that's way worse.

[@Jen-qy4ol]

@@franjegrosskopf2158 logically and legally he attempted suicide and suicide victims don't get to make that decision.

[@sebastianfilip6459]

@@Jen-qy4ol his life , his right . He would have died anyway , so why not at least take a chance ? I surely would rather risk death to save my life rather than wait and die a slow and painful death

[@Jen-qy4ol]

@@sebastianfilip6459 sounds good but it's not legal.

[@dancingqueen7031]

That's a meme, forced to die a slow agonizing death because that's the legal option:D

[@gamesensicaI]

amogus

[@See-if_I_care]

Well this is not right. How come the doctors decide whether you live or die? Or are they just protecting themselves? Americans are weird

[@jisoostan6516]

Why am i early

[@gatto512]

First

[@bilisticcow4840]

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[@kachi2782]

Why are you so afraid of death in the west and why are you always trying to stop people who want to end their lives. What is your fear with suicide coming from ? Half of you are not religious so why do you base your life on those dogmas ? This is ridiculous. I am Japanese, we value life just like anybody else, but we have no problems with people who want to take theirs. This is theirs, why do you allow yourself rights over their own lives. If someone wants to die, let that person die. In Switzerland they have assisted suicide, why can't you all get on board with it. Do you really believe in god and hell and you really think that when you kill yourself you go to hell. What kind of god is a god who punishes people who are so miserable they want to end their life, shouldn't he show compassion instead of punishment ? Most of your countries have death penalty and legal abortion, so you allow your government to kill you or kill a foetus or embryo but you refuse to allow suicide ? How wring is that ! In Japan suicide is legal, meaning nobody has the right to stop you if you want to end your life, we also have death penalty and abortion, that is because death is nothing, to us as Buddhist and Shinto death is just a part of life. We are the only country on the planet where people on death row are given the right to end their own life themselves. As for abortion, it is so litigious to get all the paperwork that by the time you are ready you have changed your mind, and also because the government offers you many alternative, like financial support until the child is born and then the possibility to abandon the child and put it up for adoption no questions asked. I find it funny and scary how in the west you are both so comfortable with death when it is inflicted and uncomfortable when it is self-inflicted.

[@pixam345]

You made some interesting points here. I live in the UK, and I’m an atheist. We do not have the death penalty for criminals, but we do have abortion (which I agree with because, medically, a foetus is not a human being for the first few months, while criminals are still humans). Also, just to be clear, suicide is legal in the UK. To me, life is precious because I believe we only get one life, and then there is no afterlife. This is probably where our differences come from. If you are Buddhist, then you believe in samsara and nirvana, so life is not as precious because you believe that you get more lives after this (unless you reach nirvana). I think that suicide should be prevented, because in my mind, those who are considering killings themselves are usually not in the correct state of mind to make that decision, and usually the things in their life that is making them want to die can be fixed. Also, suicide deeply hurts the person’s loved ones. My views do not apply to this video, because in my opinion, this young man was not trying to kill himself. I am an atheist, but I believe the main reason Christians are against suicide is because they believe God gave us life, and so it is a gift and should be treasured. They also have rules called the “Ten Commandments”, and one of the commandments is to not kill any of God’s creations - we are God’s creations, and so killing yourself counts as disobeying this commandment.

[@kachi2782]

@@pixam345 I'm back. So where was I. ... Yes. Life is precious to me too and i respect it under whatever forms it takes, but only my life belongs to me and this is the only life i have power over. I can't decide to take my kids' or my dogs' lives but i also can't decide to not allow them not to take theirs. I 100% agree with you that suicide based on a moment of depression or some anger or sadness or momentary physical pain is not the right option and it is our duty of compassion to try to talk those persons out of committing the irreparable and irrevocable. But when a person is in constant pain physical and psychological and there is nothing to fix it, not medical or paramedical treatment. Instead of forcing a person to be under constant painkillers or pills to numb his or her anxieties and depression, i believe it is more noble and respectful and compassionate to allow that person (or not deny that person more accurately) the right to end his or her suffering. But only of that person wants it and asks for it. Which is also my spouse who is a vet and also Jain will never accept euthanasia regardless of how much pain the animal is under. accurate and adequate painkillers and treatment will be provided, pro-bono if the pet owner can't afford them, but no euthanasia will be performed. Unless it is a roadkill or the cat or the dog or the hamster fell from the 17th floor and has not a single bone intact in the body and is bleeding internally and there is not a single chance of getting over the trauma. Then and only then will lethal injection be administrated. And you can see it in the eyes of the animal when they want it to end. But terminal cancer is not something requiring euthanasia because we can alleviate the pain with medical procedure and the animal can die at home surrounded with its loved one. And a loved one is not someone taking a dog to a vet because he pisses everywhere since it is old and has lost control over its bladder, and asks for euthanasia. There is nothing compassionate about that, and it is pretty much like asking for an abortion as a form of contraception. I am pretty liberal but not to that extreme, and my spiritual beliefs are far stronger than my political beliefs. Because spiritual beliefs (on Jainism) is based on Nature laws and Political beliefs are based on Human Law and i can never place human laws above nature's laws. This to me would be not only unethical but extremely self-righteous and self-indulgent, and since those two traits of characters are, i believe, the cause of everything wrong on this planet, i will nev er allow myself to indulge in my human culture, to the detriment of my human nature. I want to apologize if i appear rude or insensitive sometimes, It is extremely difficult for me to translate those thoughts into words in English, because either the English language or more probably my limited comprehension of it, doesn't allow me as i could in Japanese to explain those very Eastern concepts. For instance in Japanese we have two words for life (Jinsei and Inochi), Jinsei is the human concept of life while Inochi is the universal concept of life. In Japan there are very distinctive. Jinsei is your responsibility because it is your own, but Inochi is more a duty you have toward it, to show respect and compassion toward it. We also have two concept which are very Eastern which are Giri and Ninjo, Giri can roughly be translated as Duty and Ninjo as Human Emotion. In Japan just like in most of Asia and most of Eastern beliefs and religions, Ninjo must never prevail over Giri. If you allow your emotion to dictate your opinions then you are still a child, and it is only when your sense of responsibility overcomes your ego and emotion that you mature. If you ask for to be allowed to commit suicide based on your Ninjo, it should be addressed medially and you should have someone trying to talk you out of it, but if this is your Giri which asks for it, then it should be respected. I am also from the country of Seppuku (or Harakiri as it is known in the west) and it was never considered shameful to end your life and the whole ritual of kneeling and getting a short sword, wrap it in white paper and cut your abdomen open and then immediately have your best mate chop off your head is something still very understandable in Japanese culture. Just like the culture of Ubasute. Literally abandoning the elderly. Is something very dear to Japanese people. Not that we do it anymore but it is still part of our psyche. So Ubasute is when an elderly decided that it had become a burden for its family and asked the son to carry him or her to the top of a mountain and be abandoned their to die. This was a common practice in poor families and jtheir is still this romantic image of the son taking his grand mother or mother in his back to the top of the moutain while the grandmother or mother breaks little branches and ties some shreds of the clothes she wears so that her son or grandson will safely find his way home after abadoning her. And then before the son leaves she would offer him one of the few rice balls she made to sustain herself for the first night before allowing herself to die. We do not see that as sordid at all. It is the epitome of Giri over Ninjo. I hope this makes sense a little !

[@Cathee.M.]

Fearing death is not a "Western" or religious thing, it's a natural instinct resulting from millions of years of complex biological and psychosocial evolution.

[@pixam345]

@@kachi2782 I did not know about these things. Very interesting concepts! It's very enriching to learn about other cultures, especially cultures like Japan's, that I have very little exposure to. I felt you explained the concepts very clearly, by the way. Thank you.

[@kachi2782]

@@pixam345 Thank you.

[@Hi_im_cracked]

Lol suicidal fan here

[@ashtongrist]

Vitrifying it would more sense and in line with transhuman ethos

[@petruskristof8807]

This Guy Reminds Me of Shawn From: Good Doctor😭😁💖❤

[@Sahil-rm2xz]

First

[@alexb2889]

Very incorrect